=== pygi [n=mario@89-172-225-14.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [12:41] anyone know what's the hype about "Pixel image editor"? It's not even open source! === jinty [n=jinty@42.Red-83-49-48.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:54] lucasvo: I have no idea what you're talking about [12:56] LaserJock: digg, http://digg.com/software/Potential_Photoshop_killer_Pixel [12:58] hmm, that is odd [12:58] I hear "we need a photoshop replacement" a fair amount [01:01] yes [01:01] someone needs to push GIMP [01:01] pixel screenshots look quite good [01:01] too bad it's closed source [01:01] I am afraid that it will steal gimps market share. === HedgeMage peeks back in === nixternal peeks in quickly as well [01:14] hey HedgeMage ;) [01:35] night === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-128-131.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [03:56] wb RichEd [03:56] heh [03:57] Hrm, must have been his auto-re-up not a real him === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === kgoetz [n=itshare@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [05:14] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot should this page be reverted? its been 'cleaned' [05:16] hm. was that the right link though... *checks* [05:38] kgoetz: what do you mean by "cleaned" [05:41] sorry, was afk. i went to the page in the edubuntu wiki, which was blank, and didnt redirect me. then i went and looked a few minutes later, and i got that link, which is valid === henya [n=henya@pool-72-71-165-57.bltmmd.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.57.157] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [06:45] man, this will never end [06:45] can someone tell me how to remove all the ssh keys on the ltsp server+in the chroot? i'm having logging in issues, i'm wondering if its keys [06:55] i just sudo rm'ed the keys, and dpkg-reconfigued the server, not sure what going to happen now though :) [07:07] i think i's sudo update-ltsp-sshkeys [07:09] hi highvoltage [07:09] isn't it a bit early for you? [07:10] thanks highvoltage , doesnt seem to have helped, i'll have to look for another reason :| [07:10] it's 07:09 atm [07:10] LaserJock: hi to you to :) isn't t a bit late for you on that side? [07:10] 10:10 pm [07:11] still dealing with Gallium fallout a bit [07:11] kgoetz: what happens when you trie to log in, does ldm just kick you out again? [07:11] highvoltage: yes [07:11] you might have to restart the thin client after running update-ltsp-sshkeys [07:11] LaserJock: eesh [07:11] and the only reference i found online so far is 'your on your own, go read some logs' : [07:12] i have, it didnt help :( [07:12] highvoltage: there are 38+ comments on the Kalzium author's blog === kgoetz debates re-crating teh chroot, perhaps it wil help :| [07:12] highvoltage: most of them fairly full of misinformation [07:13] but I hopefully corrected the misinformation without fueling the fires ;-) [07:13] what's that link to the blog again? I'd like to catch up a bit [07:14] http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/ [07:21] perhaps i should try a different client. it might be a conflict from teh server against the pc i plugged in - but why is beond me [07:23] can ubuntus LTSP handle USB mice? === kgoetz tries to think of x-error causes [07:24] kgoetz: yes, they should work out of the bo [07:24] x [07:24] well it cant be that then :| [07:25] i dotn have an lts.conf, so it cant be anything in there causing issues. [07:25] LaserJock: are you abandoning gallium based on their reaction? [07:26] kgoetz: does X also not want to start now? [07:26] highvoltage: no, x still starts, its teh login thats stil the problem, sorry, i should watch how i say stuff [07:27] highvoltage: not based on their reaction but based on a discussion between Travis, Pete, and I and the gchemutils developer === kgoetz goes to try client again [07:27] I didn't realize he already had been working on a periodic table app [07:28] although their reaction does make me wish I had never suggested gallium [07:28] ok [07:28] I still believe we need a good set of Gnome chemistry apps [07:29] but I believe gchemutils already has made good strides there [07:29] but they have had a hard time getting into Debian/Ubuntu [07:30] anyway, having a problem with Gallium is one thing, attacking Edubuntu is taking it too far, IMO === highvoltage agrees [07:36] anyway, it's sort of a frustrating thing, but I guess that's FLOSS === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [07:43] hi cbx33 [07:45] hi [07:45] LaserJock: I see a lot of people talking on that blog post and lots of strong reactions from some KDE fanbois === kgoetz finishes reading blog, mutters 'get over it already', and closes tab [07:45] good good [07:46] it is sad that you get fanbois of any stripe [07:46] yes [07:46] i wish it were over [07:47] anyone know what time ogra arives here? [07:47] kgoetz: soonish [07:47] except it is Sunday there [07:47] cbx33: and nobody even mentioned the real reason behind all of this: space savings [07:47] sunday here as well. only time i can do LTSP deplyments [07:47] nope [07:47] well [07:47] LaserJock, did in the emal [07:48] well, I'm sorta over it [07:48] I'd rather have gotten a positive experience out of this [07:48] but I think we are better off helping gchemutils [07:49] it is 1 guy doing a lot of work [07:49] yep [07:49] I'm still shocked that 1 sentence in a planet.u.c post could do so much [07:49] imho it sounded like a good idea from a technical viepoint to use the data from kalzium [07:49] i know [07:50] but if it's resulting in this much hostility then it's probably not worth while [07:50] I was ..... gob smacked at it all last night [07:50] highvoltage: yes, they wanted us to use more then just data [07:50] cbx33: how hard was that wine stuff? [07:51] highvoltage: and actually the data isn't particularly Kalzium's [07:51] it isn't? [07:51] geez [07:51] it's part of a chemistry open standards, open data project [07:51] called Blue Obelisk [07:51] as I found out today ;-) [07:52] aaah [07:52] both kalzium and gchemutils use it [07:52] well that's great then [07:52] Burgundavia, not hard at all [07:53] cbx33: just need the latest wine stuff? [07:53] in fact as I'm talking to you guys I'm tabbing over to CS:Source ;) [07:53] yup [07:53] o_0 [07:53] full screen ;) [07:53] 0_o [07:53] 1024x758 [07:53] not in wine? [07:53] yes in wine [07:53] *blink* - pinches self [07:54] 40-60 fps [07:54] in most places [07:54] ab-so-lute-ly cool [07:54] indeed [07:54] what is your video card? === kgoetz might have to get his account back off a mate [07:54] Burgundavia, it's actually not that great [07:54] Nvidia 7300 GT OC [07:54] the 7300 series is the bottom of the pile === kgoetz grin [07:55] you people with money - all the same ;) thats friggin fast [07:55] but then I do also have a 4200 X2 proc ;) [07:55] kgoetz, it was a bday present from like everyone I know [07:55] nice :) [07:55] just mobo proc ram and hdd [07:55] ;) [07:56] :) [07:56] no way i could have afforded it === kgoetz feels better [07:56] heheh [07:56] I'm gonna write another blog post [07:56] Bye Bye Bill - I can now be M$ free !! [07:57] :) === kgoetz should probably get lunch while he waits for ogra , perhaps that would be a beter use of my time then simply chatting :) [07:58] it feels damn good to be able to say that [07:58] cbx33: i havent played CS for ~12, 18 months. that was the last time i ran windows on my desktop :) [07:58] well i installed XP on my new machine === highvoltage has been MS-free for 3 years now :) [07:59] highvoltage: :)wd [07:59] but had no activations left [07:59] :) [07:59] highvoltage, allright smarty pants ;) [07:59] but I still use some proprietary software :/ === cbx33 was an avid gamer before I met you guys === kgoetz only used linux properly since ubuntu, then one day doze killed his ubuntu, so he removed doze :) [07:59] (on some computers) [07:59] highvoltage, I still use photoshop === kgoetz uses binary drivers === cbx33 too === kgoetz washes hands clean [08:00] if GIMP would finally get adjustment layers I could get rid of photoshop too [08:00] I still us proprietary firmware, adobe flash plugin, and sun java runtime environment [08:00] highvoltage, yup me too [08:00] ah, he is human ;-) [08:00] hehe [08:00] some things are still necessary I believe [08:00] on some PCs I am free of all of those, and I'm 100% OSS [08:01] but for work I need to have flash and java :/ [08:01] I need acrobat [08:01] highvoltage: you recompile your kernel to remove firmware? ;) [08:01] y? [08:01] to write or read? [08:01] read [08:01] and fill out forms [08:01] if you dont your only 99.5% oss ;) [08:01] kgoetz: in ubuntu you can just remove the restricted kernel modules [08:01] gotta love universities and alll the forms [08:02] ahhh [08:02] you can't just prnt them out then ;) === kgoetz installed adobe at work recently, hope the thign lets people edit pdfs [08:02] kgoetz: ubuntu seperates te non-free and fee kernel modules, so you don't have to recompile [08:02] highvoltage: kernel modules yes, binary firmware no [08:02] i should probably have kept that joke to myself : [08:02] * :| [08:02] kgoetz: I use rm quite liberally :) [08:02] :) === kgoetz rebuilds ltsp chroot :| [08:07] ok, off to bed [08:07] good night [08:07] night mate :) === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [08:07] night Laser_away [08:07] may the laser be with you [08:08] heh [08:10] As LaserJock said a lot of good has come out of this gallium business but why are there some people like that [08:10] it makes it hard on OSS communities [08:11] i was amused by some 'thats so not oss mentality' comments [08:11] when its probably mroe oss mentality then their own ;) [08:13] This line really gets my goat "Now, this could just be a small group scratching their own itch and not really going anywhere, but the fact it is led by a member of the Edubuntu council does raise my eyebrows a little." [08:13] argh [08:13] silly people [08:14] well I'm off out [08:14] heh. yeh :( [08:14] back later [08:14] later mate :) [08:14] keep it real guys [08:14] :) [08:17] can i view the man pages of packages in ubuntu online? [08:17] kgoetz: most of the man pages have not changed in decades and can be googled [08:17] there is no Ubuntu location, however [08:18] ok, thanks. *investigates* [08:23] http://www.pyweek.org/e/PyAr2/ <-- typing, made interesting [08:24] Laser_away: package it!@ [08:28] 4 hours stuck on 1 problem. this is just upsetting :| [08:28] brb [08:29] kgoetz: when you ran ltsp-update-sshkeys, did the command run? === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-22-82-249-115-104.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:30] highvoltage: yes, and i just recreated the chroot, and its still failing to log in === kgoetz dist-upgrades chroot [08:32] it sound like some kind of authentication problem, but I can't imagine what could possibly cause it [08:32] buger. i suppose i have to wait for ogra... and hope hes willing to help on his sundays :| [08:33] he sometimes drops in on sundays, so it's quite possible === kgoetz has today and tomorrow to get this place running :|. [08:33] hence my worrying about lost time [08:33] what did you choose as IP address for the server? [08:34] 192.168.0.2 [08:34] does it have more than one network card inside? [08:34] yes, but i dont remember off the top of my head if the 2nd is enabled. 'll check in a moment [08:34] perhaps you could try putting in an lts.conf file tha contains: [08:35] [default] [08:35] SERVER = 192.168.0.2 [08:35] I *think* that if it's not spesified it defaults to 192.168.0.254 for logins [08:35] well, its wortha shot :) [08:36] so etc/ltsp/lts.conf? [08:36] but accordig to our documentation it shoudl just work like you have it too :) [08:36] it worked fine in testing, wont work in production - heard that before? ;) [08:36] /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf [08:36] kgoetz: all the time ;) [08:36] :D [08:37] i susepct the root of my problem is that i'm using existing infrastructure, and putting ltsp on top - not installinga clean server, with ltsp [08:38] brb. clients in another room [08:39] that sometimes causes some problems, but if your clients boot as far as they currently are, then you've already overcome most of them, if not all [08:40] i agree, exept for the bit where its not working ;) [08:40] brb. forgot [default] in teh onfig file. try 2 [08:43] still no love :( *goes to find list of options for lts.conf* [08:49] my dhcp server gives the client in qustion ip 30 (because i asked it to), thats outside the standard dhcp range (60-75), is that ok? [08:49] that should be fine [08:50] ta [08:50] this isn't something I've tested before.. [08:50] but can you give yourself a root account in the chroot, log in on the local workstation and test if you can ssh to the server as a normal user? [08:52] er, i'll check in a moment [08:53] brb. testing [09:00] hm. i have ldm.log :) === kgoetz opens up [09:02] Connection to 192.168.0.2 closed by remote host.^M [09:02] :( [09:03] have you tried creating a new user and loggin in with that? [09:04] yeh, it failed (this was earlier in the day, fwiw) [09:05] you any good at diagnosing ssh problems? === kgoetz has the log, but isnt really sure wahth use it is :| [09:06] perhaps tern on ssh logging on the server will give some info [09:10] Logging [09:10] with a DEBUG level violates the privacy of users and is not recommended. [09:10] :o [09:10] pretty hardcore [09:17] ssh seems to be perfectly happy with my login. i suppose it must be PAM/login thingy thats messing up === kgoetz suspects whatever handles logins. but bbl. geting fooood === jinty [n=jinty@42.Red-83-49-48.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [11:09] if i want to ask a questiona bout ubuntu ltsp, but not edubuntu, should i do that on ubuntu-users or edubuntu-dev? [11:32] kgoetz: no, for the muekow implementation of ltsp in *ubuntu this is the correct place to ask === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has left #edubuntu [] === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=mario@89-172-231-248.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog [n=admin@d213-103-26-223.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #edubuntu === Tunic [n=captainf@211.27.155.50] has joined #edubuntu === Tunic is now known as Tunic_ [12:36] Anybody want to try and help me with an ltsp issue? [12:36] Tunic_: you should ask, then we'll see if we can help :) [12:36] :) [12:36] basically, I have half a dozen thin clients here [12:37] and they boot over the network just fine [12:37] but when I get to the desktop login, the keyboards cease to function === TeePOG [n=arno@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [12:37] although the mouse(s)/mice still work === TeePOG greets everyone [12:39] my associate here is still hacking away at the server box with no joy, while I use the boss' windows laptop to trawl the internet in search of inspiration and/or assistance [12:40] the keyboards work in text mode, too. Just not once the desktop loads. We've tried it with xdm, kdm, gdm and ldm. [12:40] we've also tried applying every fix google could yield, not that there were very many of them. [12:46] any ideas would be welcome at this point [12:46] hm, that's weird [12:46] damn right it is [12:47] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2006-March/000119.html <-- that's about the most helpful thing we could find, and it didn't work. [01:23] i know ubuntu's now officially in edgy... how's ubuntu? evrything running OK? or should I wait before I upgrade my production server? [01:30] TeePOG: wait. tectonic is wrong, edgy has not been launched yet [01:30] thanks, i was on my way back to correct myself [01:30] :) [01:30] oh yah highvoltage, ltns, how are you? [01:32] just got back from the gym... recovering :) [01:33] nice.. i'm still working... will gym when i'm retired [or when i can afford to not work 24/7] [01:38] I can't either, but last year I got a wake-up call when I had some health problems. === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [01:42] hmm ok... i've been lucky in that regard [01:42] TeePOG: and edgy is running smoothly for now :) [01:42] hey folks [01:42] hey pygi [01:43] i'm still going to wait for a while before upgrading to edgy on my servers [01:44] right :) [01:44] wise decision :) [01:47] anyway, i'm playing with a few distros atm, so i've got little enough time on my hands === alex2 [n=alexlloy@wnpgmb11dc1-161-173-96.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra peeks in for a minute ... [02:36] kgoetz, can the users log in via gdm locally on the server ? [02:37] ogra: yes [02:37] and via gdm started with 'X -query server' from teh clients, but not through ldm [02:37] whats in .xsession-errors ? [02:38] half a tic, i'll pull it up [02:38] Xsession: X session started for kgoetz at Sun Oct 1 21:26:50 CST 2006 [02:38] No profile for user 'kgoetz' found [02:38] ok, there is two things you can do [02:39] i had that... had to format/reinstall [02:39] create a default profile for every user in sabayon [02:39] or sudo apt-get remove sabayon [02:39] as you like === kgoetz removes sabayon [02:39] sabayon doesnt let users log in remotely if they arent in a default profile [02:39] btw TeePOG , dont say that [02:39] oh, ok [02:39] ogra: is sabayon still only available in edgy? no backports? [02:40] sabayon is avaliable since breezy iirc [02:40] sorry kgoetz i misunderstood the problem... same error msg, different cause [02:40] TeePOG: i dont want to hear that - i'v been dreading doign that all day, thats all ;) [02:40] TeePOG, the "No profile for user ..." is a sabayon message ... [02:40] strange... i could swear someone told me that sabayon is only from edgy [02:41] ogra: back in 5 min, client i want to test on is in another room [02:41] TeePOG: well, its installed on this dapper box :O) [02:41] *gone* [02:41] TeePOG, might be you mix that up with student-control-panel [02:41] that's weird ogra since that system i had to redo, didn't have sabayon [02:41] pehaps ogra [02:41] sabayon isnt installed in edubuntu at all (not even in edgy) [02:42] as long as we dont have a set of profiles we wont install it due to that bug [02:42] so it's not quite working? [02:43] oooooooooooooooooggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [02:43] *hugs* [02:43] 0.0 [02:43] that was it! [02:43] feel the man love in this chan [02:43] i owe you a large number of beers ;) [02:43] :) [02:43] :) [02:43] i need to do a troubleshhoting FAQ on the wiki i guess :) [02:44] i was only stuck on that questio for 8 hours :) [02:44] right, and the solution takes 30secs [02:44] less :) [02:44] :) === kgoetz will grovel more thanks tomorrow - i have another 1.5 hours of today i want to spend deploying boxes :) thanks mate === TeePOG is also off working... bbl === Zico [n=pzc78@a85-156-201-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #edubuntu [03:09] hi, I'm trying to install edubuntu and I got problem when 79% of base system has been installed.. at that moment it is trying to install usplash [03:09] alt-f3 doesn't indicate any problems [03:09] installation just gets jammed there [03:09] how can I tell installation not to install usplash? [03:10] same problem comes also with ubuntu alternate installation cd === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEF1AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === |Danielle| [n=marcosgd@162.red-82-159-200.user.auna.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:29] <|Danielle|> Nace una nueva red IRC: irc.ubuntuzone.org . Para conectarte: irc.ubuntuzone.org puerto 6668 === |Danielle| [n=marcosgd@162.red-82-159-200.user.auna.net] has left #edubuntu [] [03:42] Zico, edgy ? [03:51] 6.06 lts .. is that dapper or edgy? [03:51] thats dapper [03:51] ubuntu alternate was 6.06 [03:51] edubuntu i tried was the latest [03:51] how does it fail ? [03:52] install goes nicely until installing usplash... [03:52] can you file a bug and attach /var/log/installer/syslog to it ? [03:52] then no progress [03:52] (make it world readable before) [03:53] hmm, haven't done filing bugs before.. i don't know linux very well [03:53] just know that I've succesfully installed ubuntu on other computers [03:53] i was wondering if there is some reason why it stops, and i could somehow skip that part [03:54] google told something that usplash is some fancy thing, that is not necessary or something [03:54] we could find out why it stops with the log :) [03:55] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug [03:55] just describe what happens (seems not edubuntu related if the problem shows up in ubuntu on the same machine) [03:55] so can I use ctrl-alt-del and then use some live linux cd and find that syslog from hd? [03:56] or should I get that syslog during install using alt-f2 and then something? [03:56] that should work, yes === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-128-131.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [04:11] wbg RichEd [04:11] *wb [04:27] hiehie [04:27] lol [04:27] hahahaha [04:27] http://folk.uio.no/lrisan/SkoleLinux/test4.html [04:27] that web page layout looks *extremely* familiar :) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Zico [n=pzc78@a85-156-201-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #edubuntu [] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [05:52] Howdy [05:52] howdy mr debian! === carsten [n=Miranda@p54815976.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:54] Moin moin === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [05:54] <---- Kalzium-carsten :) [05:57] hi carsten [05:58] ogra pinged out a while back, I think he lost his connection :/ [05:58] LaserJock is probably sleeping right now :) === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFD46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:59] glad to see you here though, the kalzium/gallium thing has caused some unhappiness on both sides. hopefully you can do something about it? :) [06:00] no clue :) [06:01] highvoltage: I wrote a mail to blueobelisk another to edubuntu-devel@ or something [06:01] ok [06:02] I think you just being here is good. There are many possible synergies between edubuntu and kde-edu, as Anne-Marie pointed out. [06:03] yes [06:03] I am always in IRC btw, cniehaus@jabber.org for jabber [06:03] fwiw, we use kde-edu in 200 schools here in south africa and it rocks :) [06:03] ok great [06:04] my school uses suse 9.1 or something, that doesn't rock :( [06:04] :( [06:04] last time I used SuSE it was quite nice. I've never used it in a school environment though. [06:04] what is SuSE bad at? [06:05] heh, well, perhaps this is not /the/ best time to pimp edubuntu, but edgy certainly seems to be rocking [06:05] especially with the new LTSP it has built-in. [06:05] 9.1 is a) old and b) seems to have major start-up isses. [06:05] issues [06:05] it takes ages to boot a pc [06:06] ah yes. [06:06] that kind of sucks :/ [06:09] but we cannot easily changeto something better because we lack the manpower to administer all those pcs [06:10] and of course the time to do the switch. So we keep it "running" as long as possible which sucks because that mostly means nobody uses the pcs [06:15] I've seen that happen in a bunch of schools before :( [06:16] lack of manpower is a serious problem in many schools, unfortunately. [06:19] yes [06:19] we have one teacher who gets 22.5 min a week to administer 200+ pcs :) [06:20] ouch!! [06:20] in my school, we have two full time techs and one half-time teacher, but thy do not know free software :( [06:20] in our schools the educators don't know free softwar either [06:21] but we mangle the menus so that certain administrative functions aren't available (so that they can't break certain things) [06:21] and we do some things to help them help themselves [06:21] Wow, I am stunned. Suddenly all that chatter about gallium/kde/gtk and all that to the user meaningless crap... [06:22] for example, we put in a troubleshooter in the web interface in the lab: www.jonathancarter.co.za/projects/xola [06:23] hi carsten! [06:24] funny, kalzium was about the first application I played around with on my suse 8 when I was a little kid :) [06:24] I still remember it quite good [06:26] I first saw Kalzium in Red Hat 9 / K12LTSP. It has certainly come a long way since then. [06:45] hello carsten === carsten [n=Miranda@p54815976.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:39] re [07:39] highvoltage: : re [07:40] highvoltage: : you and some other guy said something to me... as I am in winblows I lost all IRC-logs/content [07:40] it seems after 5 min of inactivity this computer cuts the connections to the router and while at it closes all apps including this stupid Miranda-thing === Dr_Bollokovski [n=buttsauc@87-194-40-222.bethere.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [07:47] lo peeps [08:08] carsten: pasting... [08:08] I first saw Kalzium in Red Hat 9 / K12LTSP. It has certainly come a long way since then. [08:08] hello carsten [08:10] well, not the slightest idea when RH9 came out [08:10] couldn't even tell if it was 2003 or 2005 :) === Dr_Bollokovski [n=buttsauc@87-194-40-222.bethere.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [08:12] carsten: I don't think it was 2005 really :P [08:14] carsten: it seems it's 07/04/2003 [08:15]