[12:41] <lucasvo> anyone know what's the hype about "Pixel image editor"? It's not even open source!
[12:54] <LaserJock> lucasvo: I have no idea what you're talking about
[12:56] <lucasvo> LaserJock: digg, http://digg.com/software/Potential_Photoshop_killer_Pixel
[12:58] <LaserJock> hmm, that is odd
[12:58] <LaserJock> I hear "we need a photoshop replacement" a fair amount
[01:01] <lucasvo> yes
[01:01] <lucasvo> someone needs to push GIMP
[01:01] <lucasvo> pixel screenshots look quite good
[01:01] <lucasvo> too bad it's closed source
[01:01] <lucasvo> I am afraid that it will steal gimps market share.
[01:14] <pygi> hey HedgeMage ;)
[01:35] <pygi> night
[03:56] <HedgeMage> wb RichEd 
[03:56] <LaserJock> heh
[03:57] <HedgeMage> Hrm, must have been his auto-re-up not a real him
[05:14] <kgoetz> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot should this page be reverted? its been 'cleaned'
[05:16] <kgoetz> hm. was that the right link though... *checks*
[05:38] <LaserJock> kgoetz: what do you mean by "cleaned"
[05:41] <kgoetz> sorry, was afk. i went to the page in the edubuntu wiki, which was blank, and didnt redirect me. then i went and looked a few minutes later, and i got that link, which is valid
[06:45] <LaserJock> man, this will never end
[06:45] <kgoetz> can someone tell me how to remove all the ssh keys on the ltsp server+in the chroot? i'm having logging in issues, i'm wondering if its keys
[06:55] <kgoetz> i just sudo rm'ed the keys, and dpkg-reconfigued the server, not sure what going to happen now though :)
[07:07] <highvoltage> i think i's sudo update-ltsp-sshkeys
[07:09] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage 
[07:09] <LaserJock> isn't it a bit early for you?
[07:10] <kgoetz> thanks highvoltage , doesnt seem to have helped, i'll have to look for another reason :|
[07:10] <highvoltage> it's 07:09 atm
[07:10] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hi to you to :) isn't t a bit late for you on that side?
[07:10] <LaserJock> 10:10 pm
[07:11] <LaserJock> still dealing with Gallium fallout a bit
[07:11] <highvoltage> kgoetz: what happens when you trie to log in, does ldm just kick you out again?
[07:11] <kgoetz> highvoltage: yes
[07:11] <highvoltage> you might have to restart the thin client after running update-ltsp-sshkeys
[07:11] <highvoltage> LaserJock: eesh
[07:11] <kgoetz> and the only reference i found online so far is 'your on your own, go read some logs' :
[07:12] <kgoetz> i have, it didnt help :(
[07:12] <LaserJock> highvoltage: there are 38+ comments on the Kalzium author's blog
[07:12] <LaserJock> highvoltage: most of them fairly full of misinformation
[07:13] <LaserJock> but I hopefully corrected the misinformation without fueling the fires ;-)
[07:13] <highvoltage> what's that link to the blog again? I'd like to catch up a bit
[07:14] <LaserJock> http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/
[07:21] <kgoetz> perhaps i should try a different client. it might be a conflict from teh server against the pc i plugged in - but why is beond me
[07:23] <kgoetz> can ubuntus LTSP handle USB mice?
[07:24] <highvoltage> kgoetz: yes, they should work out of the bo
[07:24] <highvoltage> x
[07:24] <kgoetz> well it cant be that then :|
[07:25] <kgoetz> i dotn have an lts.conf, so it cant be anything in there causing issues.
[07:25] <highvoltage> LaserJock: are you abandoning gallium based on their reaction?
[07:26] <highvoltage> kgoetz: does X also not want to start now?
[07:26] <kgoetz> highvoltage: no, x still starts, its teh login thats stil the problem, sorry, i should watch how i say stuff
[07:27] <LaserJock> highvoltage: not based on their reaction but based on a discussion between Travis, Pete, and I and the gchemutils developer
[07:27] <LaserJock> I didn't realize he already had been working on a periodic table app
[07:28] <LaserJock> although their reaction does make me wish I had never suggested gallium
[07:28] <highvoltage> ok
[07:28] <LaserJock> I still believe we need a good set of Gnome chemistry apps
[07:29] <LaserJock> but I believe gchemutils already has made good strides there
[07:29] <LaserJock> but they have had a hard time getting into Debian/Ubuntu
[07:30] <LaserJock> anyway, having a problem with Gallium is one thing, attacking Edubuntu is taking it too far, IMO
[07:36] <LaserJock> anyway, it's sort of a frustrating thing, but I guess that's FLOSS
[07:43] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[07:45] <cbx33> hi
[07:45] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I see a lot of people talking on that blog post and lots of strong reactions from some KDE fanbois
[07:45] <cbx33> good good
[07:46] <Burgundavia> it is sad that you get fanbois of any stripe
[07:46] <cbx33> yes
[07:46] <cbx33> i wish it were over
[07:47] <kgoetz> anyone know what time ogra arives here?
[07:47] <Burgundavia> kgoetz: soonish
[07:47] <Burgundavia> except it is Sunday there
[07:47] <Burgundavia> cbx33: and nobody even mentioned the real reason behind all of this: space savings
[07:47] <kgoetz> sunday here as well. only time i can do LTSP deplyments
[07:47] <cbx33> nope
[07:47] <cbx33> well
[07:47] <cbx33> LaserJock, did in the emal
[07:48] <LaserJock> well, I'm sorta over it
[07:48] <LaserJock> I'd rather have gotten a positive experience out of this
[07:48] <LaserJock> but I think we are better off helping gchemutils
[07:49] <LaserJock> it is 1 guy doing a lot of work
[07:49] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:49] <LaserJock> I'm still shocked that 1 sentence in a planet.u.c post could do so much
[07:49] <highvoltage> imho it sounded like a good idea from a technical viepoint to use the data from kalzium
[07:49] <cbx33> i know
[07:50] <highvoltage> but if it's resulting in this much hostility then it's probably not worth while
[07:50] <cbx33> I was ..... gob smacked at it all last night
[07:50] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yes, they wanted us to use more then just data
[07:50] <Burgundavia> cbx33: how hard was that wine stuff?
[07:51] <LaserJock> highvoltage: and actually the data isn't particularly Kalzium's
[07:51] <highvoltage> it isn't?
[07:51] <highvoltage> geez
[07:51] <LaserJock> it's part of a chemistry open standards, open data project
[07:51] <LaserJock> called Blue Obelisk
[07:51] <LaserJock> as I found out today ;-)
[07:52] <highvoltage> aaah
[07:52] <LaserJock> both kalzium and gchemutils use it
[07:52] <highvoltage> well that's great then
[07:52] <cbx33> Burgundavia, not hard at all
[07:53] <Burgundavia> cbx33: just need the latest wine stuff?
[07:53] <cbx33> in fact as I'm talking to you guys I'm tabbing over to CS:Source ;)
[07:53] <cbx33> yup
[07:53] <kgoetz> o_0
[07:53] <cbx33> full screen ;)
[07:53] <kgoetz> 0_o
[07:53] <cbx33> 1024x758
[07:53] <kgoetz> not in wine?
[07:53] <cbx33> yes in wine
[07:53] <kgoetz> *blink* - pinches self
[07:54] <cbx33> 40-60 fps
[07:54] <cbx33> in most places
[07:54] <kgoetz> ab-so-lute-ly cool
[07:54] <cbx33> indeed
[07:54] <Burgundavia> what is your video card?
[07:54] <cbx33> Burgundavia, it's actually not that great
[07:54] <cbx33> Nvidia 7300 GT OC
[07:54] <cbx33> the 7300 series is the bottom of the pile
[07:55] <kgoetz> you people with money - all the same ;) thats friggin fast
[07:55] <cbx33> but then I do also have a 4200 X2 proc ;)
[07:55] <cbx33> kgoetz, it was a bday present from like everyone I know
[07:55] <kgoetz> nice :)
[07:55] <cbx33> just mobo proc ram and hdd
[07:55] <cbx33> ;)
[07:56] <kgoetz> :)
[07:56] <cbx33> no way i could have afforded it
[07:56] <cbx33> heheh
[07:56] <cbx33> I'm gonna write another blog post
[07:56] <cbx33> Bye Bye Bill - I can now be M$ free !!
[07:57] <kgoetz> :)
[07:58] <cbx33> it feels damn good to be able to say that
[07:58] <kgoetz> cbx33: i havent played CS for ~12, 18 months. that was the last time i ran windows on my desktop :)
[07:58] <cbx33> well i installed XP on my new machine
[07:59] <kgoetz> highvoltage: :)wd
[07:59] <cbx33> but had no activations left
[07:59] <highvoltage> :)
[07:59] <cbx33> highvoltage, allright smarty pants ;)
[07:59] <highvoltage> but I still use some proprietary software :/
[07:59] <highvoltage> (on some computers)
[07:59] <cbx33> highvoltage, I still use photoshop
[08:00] <cbx33> if GIMP would finally get adjustment layers I could get rid of photoshop too
[08:00] <highvoltage> I still us proprietary firmware, adobe flash plugin, and sun java runtime environment
[08:00] <cbx33> highvoltage, yup me too
[08:00] <LaserJock> ah, he is human ;-)
[08:00] <kgoetz> hehe
[08:00] <cbx33> some things are still necessary I believe
[08:00] <highvoltage> on some PCs I am free of all of those, and I'm 100% OSS
[08:01] <highvoltage> but for work I need to have flash and java :/
[08:01] <LaserJock> I need acrobat
[08:01] <kgoetz> highvoltage: you recompile your kernel to remove firmware? ;)
[08:01] <cbx33> y?
[08:01] <cbx33> to write or read?
[08:01] <LaserJock> read
[08:01] <LaserJock> and fill out forms
[08:01] <kgoetz> if you dont your only 99.5% oss ;)
[08:01] <highvoltage> kgoetz: in ubuntu you can just remove the restricted kernel modules
[08:01] <LaserJock> gotta love universities and alll the forms
[08:02] <cbx33> ahhh
[08:02] <cbx33> you can't just prnt them out then ;)
[08:02] <highvoltage> kgoetz: ubuntu seperates te non-free and fee kernel modules, so you don't have to recompile
[08:02] <kgoetz> highvoltage: kernel modules yes, binary firmware no
[08:02] <kgoetz> i should probably have kept that joke to myself :
[08:02] <kgoetz> * :|
[08:02] <highvoltage> kgoetz: I use rm quite liberally :)
[08:02] <kgoetz> :)
[08:07] <LaserJock> ok, off to bed
[08:07] <LaserJock> good night
[08:07] <kgoetz> night mate :)
[08:07] <highvoltage> night Laser_away 
[08:07] <highvoltage> may the laser be with you
[08:08] <Laser_away> heh
[08:10] <cbx33> As LaserJock said a lot of good has come out of this gallium business but why are there some people like that 
[08:10] <cbx33> it makes it hard on OSS communities
[08:11] <kgoetz> i was amused by some 'thats so not oss mentality' comments
[08:11] <kgoetz> when its probably mroe oss mentality then their own ;)
[08:13] <cbx33> This line really gets my goat "Now, this could just be a small group scratching their own itch and not really going anywhere, but the fact it is led by a member of the Edubuntu council does raise my eyebrows a little."
[08:13] <cbx33> argh
[08:13] <cbx33> silly people
[08:14] <cbx33> well I'm off out
[08:14] <kgoetz> heh. yeh :(
[08:14] <cbx33> back later
[08:14] <kgoetz> later mate :)
[08:14] <cbx33> keep it real guys
[08:14] <kgoetz> :)
[08:17] <kgoetz> can i view the man pages of packages in ubuntu online?
[08:17] <Burgundavia> kgoetz: most of the man pages have not changed in decades and can be googled
[08:17] <Burgundavia> there is no Ubuntu location, however
[08:18] <kgoetz> ok, thanks. *investigates*
[08:23] <Burgundavia> http://www.pyweek.org/e/PyAr2/ <-- typing, made interesting
[08:24] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: package it!@
[08:28] <kgoetz> 4 hours stuck on 1 problem. this is just upsetting :|
[08:28] <kgoetz> brb
[08:29] <highvoltage> kgoetz: when you ran ltsp-update-sshkeys, did the command run?
[08:30] <kgoetz> highvoltage: yes, and i just recreated the chroot, and its still failing to log in
[08:32] <highvoltage> it sound like some kind of authentication problem, but I can't imagine what could possibly cause it
[08:32] <kgoetz> buger. i suppose i have to wait for ogra... and hope hes willing to help on his sundays :|
[08:33] <highvoltage> he sometimes drops in on sundays, so it's quite possible
[08:33] <kgoetz> hence my worrying about lost time
[08:33] <highvoltage> what did you choose as IP address for the server?
[08:34] <kgoetz> 192.168.0.2
[08:34] <highvoltage> does it have more than one network card inside?
[08:34] <kgoetz> yes, but i dont remember off the top of my head if the 2nd is enabled. 'll check in a moment
[08:34] <highvoltage> perhaps you could try putting in an lts.conf file tha contains:
[08:35] <highvoltage> [default] 
[08:35] <highvoltage>   SERVER = 192.168.0.2
[08:35] <highvoltage> I *think* that if it's not spesified it defaults to 192.168.0.254 for logins
[08:35] <kgoetz> well, its wortha  shot :)
[08:36] <kgoetz> so etc/ltsp/lts.conf?
[08:36] <highvoltage> but accordig to our documentation it shoudl just work like you have it too :)
[08:36] <kgoetz> it worked fine in testing, wont work in production - heard that before? ;)
[08:36] <highvoltage> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[08:36] <highvoltage> kgoetz: all the time ;)
[08:36] <kgoetz> :D
[08:37] <kgoetz> i susepct the root of my problem is that i'm using existing infrastructure, and putting ltsp on top - not installinga  clean server, with ltsp
[08:38] <kgoetz> brb. clients in another room
[08:39] <highvoltage> that sometimes causes some problems, but if your clients boot as far as they currently are, then you've already overcome most of them, if not all
[08:40] <kgoetz> i agree, exept for the bit where its not working ;)
[08:40] <kgoetz> brb. forgot [default]  in teh onfig file. try 2
[08:43] <kgoetz> still no love :( *goes to find list of options for lts.conf*
[08:49] <kgoetz> my dhcp server gives the client in qustion ip 30 (because i asked it to), thats outside the standard dhcp range (60-75), is that ok?
[08:49] <highvoltage> that should be fine
[08:50] <kgoetz> ta
[08:50] <highvoltage> this isn't something I've tested before..
[08:50] <highvoltage> but can you give yourself a root account in the chroot, log in on the local workstation and test if you can ssh to the server as a normal user?
[08:52] <kgoetz> er, i'll check in a moment
[08:53] <kgoetz> brb. testing
[09:00] <kgoetz> hm. i have ldm.log :)
[09:02] <kgoetz> Connection to 192.168.0.2 closed by remote host.^M
[09:02] <kgoetz> :(
[09:03] <highvoltage> have you tried creating a new user and loggin in with that?
[09:04] <kgoetz> yeh, it failed (this was earlier in the day, fwiw)
[09:05] <kgoetz> you any good at diagnosing ssh problems?
[09:06] <kgoetz> perhaps tern on ssh logging on the server will give some info
[09:10] <kgoetz>  Logging
[09:10] <kgoetz>              with a DEBUG level violates the privacy of users and is not recommended.
[09:10] <kgoetz> :o
[09:10] <kgoetz> pretty hardcore
[09:17] <kgoetz> ssh seems to be perfectly happy with my login. i suppose it must be PAM/login thingy thats messing up
[11:09] <kgoetz> if i want to ask a questiona bout ubuntu ltsp, but not edubuntu, should i do that on ubuntu-users or edubuntu-dev?
[11:32] <lucasvo> kgoetz: no, for the muekow implementation of ltsp in *ubuntu this is the correct place to ask
[12:36] <Tunic_> Anybody want to try and help me with an ltsp issue?
[12:36] <pygi> Tunic_: you should ask, then we'll see if we can help :)
[12:36] <Tunic_> :)
[12:36] <Tunic_> basically, I have half a dozen thin clients here
[12:37] <Tunic_> and they boot over the network just fine
[12:37] <Tunic_> but when I get to the desktop login, the keyboards cease to function
[12:37] <Tunic_> although the mouse(s)/mice still work
[12:39] <Tunic_> my associate here is still hacking away at the server box with no joy, while I use the boss' windows laptop to trawl the internet in search of inspiration and/or assistance
[12:40] <Tunic_> the keyboards work in text mode, too.  Just not once the desktop loads.  We've tried it with xdm, kdm, gdm and ldm.
[12:40] <Tunic_> we've also tried applying every fix google could yield, not that there were very many of them.
[12:46] <Tunic_> any ideas would be welcome at this point
[12:46] <pygi> hm, that's weird
[12:46] <Tunic_> damn right it is
[12:47] <Tunic_> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2006-March/000119.html <-- that's about the most helpful thing we could find, and it didn't work.
[01:23] <TeePOG> i know ubuntu's now officially in edgy... how's ubuntu? evrything running OK? or should I wait before I upgrade my production server?
[01:30] <highvoltage> TeePOG: wait. tectonic is wrong, edgy has not been launched yet
[01:30] <TeePOG> thanks, i was on my way back to correct myself
[01:30] <highvoltage> :)
[01:30] <TeePOG> oh yah highvoltage, ltns, how are you?
[01:32] <highvoltage> just got back from the gym... recovering :)
[01:33] <TeePOG> nice.. i'm still working... will gym when i'm retired [or when i can afford to not work 24/7] 
[01:38] <highvoltage> I can't either, but last year I got a wake-up call when I had some health problems.
[01:42] <TeePOG> hmm ok... i've been lucky in that regard
[01:42] <pygi> TeePOG: and edgy is running smoothly for now :)
[01:42] <pygi> hey folks
[01:42] <TeePOG> hey pygi
[01:43] <TeePOG> i'm still going to wait for a while before upgrading to edgy on my servers
[01:44] <pygi> right :)
[01:44] <pygi> wise decision :)
[01:47] <TeePOG> anyway, i'm playing with a few distros atm, so i've got little enough time on my hands
[02:36] <ogra> kgoetz, can the users log in via gdm locally on the server ?
[02:37] <kgoetz> ogra: yes
[02:37] <kgoetz> and via gdm started with 'X -query server' from teh clients, but not through ldm
[02:37] <ogra> whats in .xsession-errors ?
[02:38] <kgoetz> half a tic, i'll pull it up
[02:38] <kgoetz> Xsession: X session started for kgoetz at Sun Oct  1 21:26:50 CST 2006
[02:38] <kgoetz> No profile for user 'kgoetz' found
[02:38] <ogra> ok, there is two things you can do
[02:39] <TeePOG> i had that... had to format/reinstall
[02:39] <ogra> create a default profile for every user in sabayon
[02:39] <ogra> or sudo apt-get remove sabayon
[02:39] <ogra> as you like 
[02:39] <ogra> sabayon doesnt let users log in remotely if they arent in a default profile
[02:39] <kgoetz> btw TeePOG , dont say that
[02:39] <kgoetz> oh, ok
[02:39] <TeePOG> ogra: is sabayon still only available in edgy? no backports?
[02:40] <ogra> sabayon is avaliable since breezy iirc
[02:40] <TeePOG> sorry kgoetz i misunderstood the problem... same error msg, different cause
[02:40] <kgoetz> TeePOG: i dont want to hear that - i'v been dreading doign that all day, thats all ;)
[02:40] <ogra> TeePOG, the "No profile for user ..." is a sabayon message ...
[02:40] <TeePOG> strange... i could swear someone told me that sabayon is only from edgy
[02:41] <kgoetz> ogra: back in 5 min, client i want to test on is in another room
[02:41] <kgoetz> TeePOG: well, its installed on this dapper box :O)
[02:41] <kgoetz> *gone*
[02:41] <ogra> TeePOG, might be you mix that up with student-control-panel
[02:41] <TeePOG> that's weird ogra since that system i had to redo, didn't have sabayon
[02:41] <TeePOG> pehaps ogra
[02:41] <ogra> sabayon isnt installed in edubuntu at all (not even in edgy)
[02:42] <ogra> as long as we dont have a set of profiles we wont install it due to that bug
[02:42] <TeePOG> so it's not quite working?
[02:43] <kgoetz> oooooooooooooooooggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:43] <kgoetz> *hugs*
[02:43] <TeePOG> 0.0
[02:43] <kgoetz> that was it!
[02:43] <TeePOG> feel the man love in this chan
[02:43] <kgoetz> i owe you a large number of beers ;)
[02:43] <ogra> :)
[02:43] <kgoetz> :)
[02:43] <ogra> i need to do a troubleshhoting FAQ on the wiki i guess :)
[02:44] <kgoetz> i was only stuck on that questio for 8 hours :)
[02:44] <ogra> right, and the solution takes 30secs 
[02:44] <kgoetz> less :)
[02:44] <ogra> :)
[03:09] <Zico> hi, I'm trying to install edubuntu and I got problem when 79% of base system has been installed.. at that moment it is trying to install usplash
[03:09] <Zico> alt-f3 doesn't indicate any problems
[03:09] <Zico> installation just gets jammed there
[03:09] <Zico> how can I tell installation not to install usplash?
[03:10] <Zico> same problem comes also with ubuntu alternate installation cd
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[03:42] <ogra> Zico, edgy ?
[03:51] <Zico> 6.06 lts .. is that dapper or edgy?
[03:51] <ogra> thats dapper
[03:51] <Zico> ubuntu alternate was 6.06
[03:51] <Zico> edubuntu i tried was the latest 
[03:51] <ogra> how does it fail ?
[03:52] <Zico> install goes nicely until installing usplash...
[03:52] <ogra> can you file a bug and attach /var/log/installer/syslog to it ?
[03:52] <Zico> then no progress
[03:52] <ogra> (make it world readable before)
[03:53] <Zico> hmm, haven't done filing bugs before.. i don't know linux very well
[03:53] <Zico> just know that I've succesfully installed ubuntu on other computers
[03:53] <Zico> i was wondering if there is some reason why it stops, and i could somehow skip that part
[03:54] <Zico> google told something that usplash is some fancy thing, that is not necessary or something
[03:54] <ogra> we could find out why it stops with the log :)
[03:55] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[03:55] <ogra> just describe what happens (seems not edubuntu related if the problem shows up in ubuntu on the same machine)
[03:55] <Zico> so can I use ctrl-alt-del and then use some live linux cd and find that syslog from hd?
[03:56] <Zico> or should I get that syslog during install using alt-f2 and then something?
[03:56] <ogra> that should work, yes
[04:11] <TeePOG> wbg RichEd
[04:11] <TeePOG> *wb
[04:27] <highvoltage> hiehie
[04:27] <highvoltage> lol
[04:27] <highvoltage> hahahaha
[04:27] <highvoltage> http://folk.uio.no/lrisan/SkoleLinux/test4.html
[04:27] <highvoltage> that web page layout looks *extremely* familiar :)
[05:52] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:52] <highvoltage> howdy mr debian!
[05:54] <carsten> Moin moin
[05:54] <carsten> <---- Kalzium-carsten :)
[05:57] <highvoltage> hi carsten
[05:58] <highvoltage> ogra pinged out a while back, I think he lost his connection :/
[05:58] <highvoltage> LaserJock is probably sleeping right now :)
[05:59] <highvoltage> glad to see you here though, the kalzium/gallium thing has caused some unhappiness on both sides. hopefully you can do something about it? :)
[06:00] <carsten> no clue :)
[06:01] <carsten> highvoltage: I wrote a mail to blueobelisk another to edubuntu-devel@ or something
[06:01] <highvoltage> ok
[06:02] <highvoltage> I think you just being here is good. There are many possible synergies between edubuntu and kde-edu, as Anne-Marie pointed out.
[06:03] <carsten> yes
[06:03] <carsten> I am always in IRC btw, cniehaus@jabber.org for jabber
[06:03] <highvoltage> fwiw, we use kde-edu in 200 schools here in south africa and it rocks :)
[06:03] <highvoltage> ok great
[06:04] <carsten> my school uses suse 9.1 or something, that doesn't rock :(
[06:04] <highvoltage> :(
[06:04] <highvoltage> last time I used SuSE it was quite nice. I've never used it in a school environment though.
[06:04] <highvoltage> what is SuSE bad at?
[06:05] <highvoltage> heh, well, perhaps this is not /the/ best time to pimp edubuntu, but edgy certainly seems to be rocking
[06:05] <highvoltage> especially with the new LTSP it has built-in.
[06:05] <carsten> 9.1 is a) old and b) seems to have major start-up isses.
[06:05] <carsten> issues
[06:05] <carsten> it takes ages to boot a pc
[06:06] <highvoltage> ah yes.
[06:06] <highvoltage> that kind of sucks :/
[06:09] <carsten> but we cannot easily changeto something better because we lack the manpower to administer all those pcs
[06:10] <carsten> and of course the time to do the switch. So we keep it "running" as long as possible which sucks because that mostly means nobody uses the pcs
[06:15] <highvoltage> I've seen that happen in a bunch of schools before :(
[06:16] <highvoltage> lack of manpower is a serious problem in many schools, unfortunately.
[06:19] <carsten> yes
[06:19] <carsten> we have one teacher who gets 22.5 min a week to administer 200+ pcs :)
[06:20] <highvoltage> ouch!!
[06:20] <jbrefort> in my school, we have two full time techs and one half-time teacher, but thy do not know free software :(
[06:20] <highvoltage> in our schools the educators don't know free softwar either
[06:21] <highvoltage> but we mangle the menus so that certain administrative functions aren't available (so that they can't break certain things)
[06:21] <highvoltage> and we do some things to help them help themselves
[06:21] <lucasvo> Wow, I am stunned. Suddenly all that chatter about gallium/kde/gtk and all that to the user meaningless crap...
[06:22] <highvoltage> for example, we put in a troubleshooter in the web interface in the lab: www.jonathancarter.co.za/projects/xola
[06:23] <lucasvo> hi carsten!
[06:24] <lucasvo> funny, kalzium was about the first application I played around with on my suse 8 when I was a little kid :) 
[06:24] <lucasvo> I still remember it quite good
[06:26] <highvoltage> I first saw Kalzium in Red Hat 9 / K12LTSP. It has certainly come a long way since then.
[06:45] <pygi> hello carsten 
[07:39] <carsten> re
[07:39] <carsten> highvoltage: : re
[07:40] <carsten> highvoltage: : you and some other guy said something to me... as I am in winblows I lost all IRC-logs/content
[07:40] <carsten> it seems after 5 min of inactivity this computer cuts the connections to the router and while at it closes all apps including this stupid Miranda-thing
[07:47] <Dr_Bollokovski> lo peeps
[08:08] <pygi> carsten: pasting...
 I first saw Kalzium in Red Hat 9 / K12LTSP. It has certainly come a long way since then.
 hello carsten 
[08:10] <carsten> well, not the slightest idea when RH9 came out
[08:10] <carsten> couldn't even tell if it was 2003 or 2005 :)
[08:12] <pygi> carsten: I don't think it was 2005 really :P
[08:14] <pygi> carsten: it seems it's 07/04/2003
[08:15] <carsten> well, yeah. Then Kalzium improved a lot :)
[08:16] <pygi> 3 years is a lot =)
[09:57] <OMGWTFBBQ25> hello
[09:58] <pygi> hey OMGWTFBBQ25 
[09:58] <OMGWTFBBQ25> I did it for the lulz
[09:58] <OMGWTFBBQ25> I'm an Ubuntu user
[09:58] <OMGWTFBBQ25> but I made some of the Edubuntu LiveCDs
[09:58] <OMGWTFBBQ25> it's actually a really nice OS
[09:59] <OMGWTFBBQ25> I was slightly surprised
[10:53] <pygi> hey LaserJock 
[10:53] <LaserJock> 328oh man, it never ends ;-)
[10:53] <LaserJock> s/328//
[10:53] <pygi> 328 what? 
[10:55] <LaserJock> nothing, typo
[10:55] <pygi> oh, oki :P
[10:56] <pygi> LaserJock: I see there was a big mess and personal attacks on lot of people :'(
[10:57] <LaserJock> yes well
[10:57] <LaserJock> it happens
[10:58] <LaserJock> that's ok
[10:58] <LaserJock> like I said before
[10:58] <LaserJock> it's better to have this at the very beginning
[10:58] <pygi> that's why no need to blog about apps anyone is working on
[10:58] <LaserJock> well, maybe stick to ones that have a website ;-)
[10:59] <pygi> nah, might get attacked again
[10:59] <LaserJock> people thought we were uncollaborative
[10:59] <pygi> that's what I went throught with libburn also
[10:59] <pygi> now we are at such a stage that wodim wants to mimic cdrskin (our cdrecord emulator based on libburn)
[11:00] <pygi> I can show you some mails, and public riots against me if you'd like :)