[12:29] <Riddell> 20:18 < chowells2> Juk will only allow me to add directories under /home or /media -- is that a bug in kubuntu edgy/juk, or intended?
[12:29] <Riddell> _Sime: ^^
[12:29] <Riddell> presumably the answer is to just type it in manually
[12:32] <kwwii> Riddell: I'll make a new KDM pic/config and Ksplash pic tomorrow, ok?
[12:33] <kwwii> there is an open bug about it
[12:36] <kwwii> and I will probably update the powermanager icons yet again
[12:37] <GNUro> there is a bug in systemsettings>monitor&Display>PowerSaving>EnablePowerSaving... it's resetted when you reboot the machine.
[12:37] <GNUro> :(
[12:37] <Lure> Riddell: right-click, View -> Show Hidden Folders
[12:38] <Lure> Riddell: or change /.hidden accordingly
[12:42] <rouzic> Hi riddell
[12:43] <rouzic> Riddell: I have a serious problem with the connection wifi of my MacBook with Kubuntu Edgy Thread
[01:29] <fdoving> gnite all.
[02:57] <jdong> ooh, knetworkmanager 0.1 :)
[02:57] <jdong> perfect time to give prevu a spin :)
[03:58] <jdong> imbrandon: poke
[04:01] <imbrandon> jdong: prod
[04:02] <jdong> imbrandon: could I poke you to do a manual backport upload?
[04:02] <imbrandon> we cant 
[04:02] <imbrandon> it has to be done on soyuz ;(
[04:02] <imbrandon> e.g. i physicaly cant
[04:03] <jdong> imbrandon: I've been told you (core-dev) can
[04:04] <jdong> imbrandon: I've witnessed siretart pull off the feat before
[04:04] <imbrandon> well we COULD at one time
[04:04] <imbrandon> but i think its locked down now
[04:04] <imbrandon> lemme check on it 
[04:05] <imbrandon> i got a hardware issue atm though ( you can read p.u.c to see more )
[04:05] <imbrandon> but give me an hour or so to get things normalized again
[04:05] <imbrandon> and i'll see if its possible
[04:05] <jdong> imbrandon: I overheard your hardware bad luck on -motu.... sorry to hear that
[04:07] <imbrandon> jdong: yea it kinda sucks, but i'm getting my laptop prepared now to step in and do the dev work for now
[04:07] <imbrandon> so all hope is not lost
[04:07] <imbrandon> i just need to fix some ssh keys etc
[04:09] <jdong> imbrandon: ok, whenever you have a chance to look at it, bug 63275, subscribed you to it
[04:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63275 in dapper-backports "readahead-list " [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63275
[04:09] <jdong> imbrandon: I'm not sure if you have to manually do the ~dapper1 version or not... but just a friendly cautious paranoid breakage reminder :D
[05:32] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Hey hey hey
[05:32] <DaSkreech> bddebian: Hello
[05:32] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[05:33] <Jucato> hi bddebian DaSkreech!
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[05:34] <ryanakca> Jucato: today's classroom had a record attendance! *drum roll* a grand total of...
[05:34] <ryanakca> 0
[05:34] <DaSkreech> That's a great record what was the class
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Anatomy?
[05:34] <Jucato> ryanakca: yeah.. I feel guilty... :(
[05:35] <Jucato> I saw the logs
[05:35] <ryanakca> Internet, IM and News
[05:36] <Jucato> ryanakca: really sorry for deserting you guys... it was the first decent sleep I had in two days...
[05:36] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[05:36] <ryanakca> lol
[05:36] <crimsun> the classes aren't well advertised
[05:36] <ryanakca> don't worry about it
[05:36] <Jucato> (48+ hours of no electricty and running water)
[05:36] <ryanakca> crimsun: yeah, we need to get back at advertising them...
[05:37] <crimsun> need to hit ubuntu-users, sounder, the forum, etc.
[05:37] <Jucato> yeah, I'm tired of advertising in the forums where nobody seems to listen :P
[05:38] <ryanakca> crimsun: you don't have op access to #ubuntu-classroom, do you?
[05:38] <crimsun> no
[05:38] <ryanakca> hmm...
[05:38] <Jucato> ryanakca: who'll be giving the class later?
[05:38] <ryanakca> aha, /cs access #channel list :)
[05:39] <ryanakca> Jucato: cafuego and cafuego in my place
[05:39] <Jucato> ah
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Universe is in Freeze now?
[05:50] <crimsun> for new upstream versions, yes
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Hmm ok
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Some said the screenKast got in?
[05:53] <crimsun> what's the source package/binary package name?
[05:53] <crimsun> nothing resembling "screenkast" is in NEW or the archive
[05:53] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: I put skreenKast on my SoS repo.  I didn't know if screenKast would make it in
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: Ah thanks
[05:54] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: It's in contrib on SoS
[05:54] <Jucato> use Hawkwind's key :P
[05:54] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hah
[05:55] <DaSkreech> HTe key To hawkwind's repos ofSoul ......
[05:56] <DaSkreech> The even
[07:18] <DaSkreech> hi el
[07:18] <el> hey DaSkreech 
[07:18] <el> network is too slow here
[07:18] <DaSkreech> What's it doing?
[07:21] <el> going to bed now.... 8-)
[07:21] <el> (almost) last night in dublin!
[07:23] <el> good night
[07:24] <DaSkreech> night
[10:26] <mhb> Riddell: maybe I (or you) can mark the bug you solved yesterday (hwdb-kde thing) as "Fix Commited" so others won't get confused 
[10:35] <pascalFR> hwdb-client is not available ?
[10:39] <mhb> pascalFR: I think it is
[10:40] <mhb> Riddell: oh, it seems the patched version got released as well... "Fix Released" then?
[10:46] <pascalFR> mhb: apt-get install hwdb-client is not ok for me 
[10:46] <pascalFR> mhb: apt-get install hwdb-client-kde is not ok for me 
[10:47] <pascalFR> oops  it works :)
[11:20] <mhb> systemsettings should load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation file, right?
[12:38] <oheard> Does Kubuntu consist of entirely free/libre software?
[12:39] <Tm_T> main does
[12:39] <Tm_T> iirc
[12:40] <oheard> Okay thanks.
[12:40] <gnomefreak> isnt universe free software just extras
[12:40] <Tm_T> should be
[12:40] <Tm_T> can't remember though
[12:41] <Hobbsee> yeah, it is
[12:41] <Hobbsee> multiverse is the questoinable stuff
[12:41] <Hobbsee> !components > oheard 
[12:41] <oheard> Thank you Hobbsee. :-D
[12:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:42] <Tm_T> :)
[12:43] <Tm_T> svg icons are somewhat slow & heavy
[12:43] <Tm_T> iirc they are not cached properly yet
[12:46] <oheard> It seems the default kernel includes non-free code, and I cannot remove linux-restricted-modules-common without removing my kernel, is this a bug?
[12:47] <oheard> :'(
[12:47] <Riddell> oheard: you can
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell 
[12:47] <oheard> Riddell: I can?
[12:47] <Riddell> removing linux-386 is fine
[12:47] <oheard> Oh, great, thank you. :-D
[12:52] <oheard> It would be nice if during the installation one could choose to perform an installation using only free software and also have apt preconfigured. :-(
[12:53] <Riddell> oheard: you'll be wanting to help with gnubuntu
[12:55] <Tm_T> :o
[12:56] <oheard> Gnubuntu eh?
[12:56] <oheard> *looks it up*
[12:57] <oheard> So it's an official leaf?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> not really
[12:58] <Hobbsee> it's not funded by canonical
[12:58] <Hobbsee> as far as i know, anyway
[01:00] <Riddell> it would be supported (i.e. with server space) by canonical I believe, but it would also need to be approved by the FSF
[01:07] <mhb> any helpful bughunter here to help me with the bug 63325 ?
[01:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63325 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63325
[01:30] <fdoving> hmm.. we shold have the sysinfo:/ kio slave.
[01:31] <Riddell> fdoving: we should certainly package 
[01:31] <Riddell> it
[01:32] <fdoving> it's in the screenshots at kde.org, and we don't have it.
[01:32] <Riddell> that's a mistake then, since it's not a part of KDE proper
[01:33] <fdoving> http://kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/02-systeminfo.png
[01:33] <fdoving> heh.. see first comment: http://caybro.blogspot.com/2006/03/system-information-in-sl-101.html
[01:35] <Riddell> interesting, JRe is doing Keep 0.4
[01:49] <Riddell> nixternal: you did gwenview 1.4.0?  did you do the translations too?
[01:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: have you seen this kind of baby before? /usr/include/linux/joystick.h:132: error: ?__s64? does not name a type
[01:56] <Tm_T> I'm building KDE4
[01:56] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes, it happens in KDE 3 too
[01:56] <toma> Tm_T: yep
[01:56] <Riddell> Tm_T: just don't compile that module is my solution
[01:56] <toma> mine too ;-)
[01:56] <Tm_T> thanks :)
[01:56] <Tm_T> now I have to find out how that's done
[01:57] <Tm_T> though thiago said he should fix that to not use kernel headers or something
[01:57] <toma> it has something to do with wrong kernel header includes, but the right solution was discussable
[01:57] <toma> Tm_T: remove it from Makefile.am
[01:57] <toma> or subdirs
[01:58] <Tm_T> there's no Makefile.am in KDE4 sources iirc
[01:58] <toma> somthing like that
[01:58] <Tm_T> should be done via cmake I think
[01:58] <toma> ah true
[01:59] <Riddell> remove it from CMakething
[01:59] <Riddell> see my patch in kde4base
[01:59] <Tm_T> roger
[02:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: poke
[02:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: thanks, problem "solved" :)
[02:28] <ryanakca> Riddell: d'you think that kicker could be locked  by default? *points to k-d-s on REVU*
[02:29] <Riddell> ryanakca: locked in which way?
[02:30] <ryanakca> locked.. meaning rightclick -> Lock Panels... so that those applet handles don't show up
[02:31] <ryanakca> they can be easily unlocked... rightclick -> Unlock Panels...
[02:31] <Hobbsee> you can get rid of the applet handles anyway
[02:31] <Hobbsee> without the lock
[02:31] <fdoving> I suggest the lock.
[02:31] <ryanakca> yeah, but then it's harder to get to the menu for the applets
[02:32] <Hobbsee> locking the panels is rather annoying and un-newbielike
[02:32] <fdoving> removing the handles is -really- annoying and un-newbielike.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> right click on empty space should be fairly obvious
[02:33] <fdoving> they use locking.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> they do?  not last time that i recall
[02:33] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ok, witholut the pannel applets, how would you configure System Tray...
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i'm not saying get rid of the panel applets.  just the handles.  and you right click on the empty space
[02:34] <fdoving> Hobbsee: you're thinking about 'fade applet handles'.. right? they appear when on hover?
[02:34] <ryanakca> no are we
[02:34] <fdoving> -when.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> fdoving: actually, i have them hidden completely, but that would work.
[02:35] <ryanakca> but when you mouse overthem, they show up, kwwii had agreed with me that they weren't... pretty :) . He was suggesting leaving them, but just leaving a black arrow instead of the black arow + polkadotted bar
[02:35] <fdoving> Hobbsee: how do you get to systray settings with the handles completely gone? 
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm fixing knmap, using cdbs, with simple-patchsys.mk, yet the patches arent applying.  they are named kubuntu_#_patchname.patch - any reason why they wouldnt be applying?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RjsWU534.html is the build log
[02:37] <ryanakca> You can't get to systray settings if the pannel has the applet handles, you right click, and you have the option of: a) Add applet to panel, b) Add application to panel, c) Remove from Panel, d) Add new panel, e) Lock Panels, f) Configure Panels, g) Help
[02:37] <Hobbsee> fdoving: right next to hiding the applet handles
[02:37] <Tm_Test> hello
[02:38] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i see...
[02:38] <Hobbsee> cool, and you can hide icons from there too.
[02:38] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: to get rid of the applet handles or show them, you need to go rightclick -> Configure Panel -> Appearance -> Advanced Options -> Hide/Fade
[02:38] <Tm_Test> but they still take some space
[02:39] <ryanakca> imagine doing that each time you wanted to configure something on the pannel? 
[02:39] <fdoving> each applet got it's own menu when you rightclick on their handles. those would be inaccessible with the handles removed completely.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> yeah, i found that.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: how often do you switch the icons around anyway?  i see your point though
[02:39] <Tm_Test> fdoving: actually, iirc no
[02:39] <ryanakca> so, just lock it, and save yourself the hassle of going threw the steps above
[02:39] <Tm_Test> hmm, they are afteral
[02:39] <Tm_Test> but unlocking isn't that difficult
[02:39] <fdoving> i think this is the idea with the locking feature.
[02:39] <Tm_Test> yes
[02:40] <Tm_Test> also you avoid accidental moves
[02:40] <ryanakca> no, unlocking is rightclick.  The average person will wonder how to add stuff and right click the pannel see if there's a menu
[02:40] <ryanakca> yeah
[02:40] <Tm_Test> whooo
[02:41] <Tm_Test> I see icons in desktop :o
[02:41] <ryanakca> *gasps*
[02:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: so, is it a Lock or Unlock? Vote?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: probably ask during a meeting
[02:42] <fdoving> if i'm not at the meeting, i vote 'lock'.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> oh yes, we only talked about it
[02:45] <ryanakca> not that I think that would work, because it looks like the same file used in konqueror...
[02:48] <Tm_Test> ryanakca: but it still takes some space
[02:49] <fdoving> i think the best solution is not to patch the source, but use k-d-s to set the 'right-click > configure panel -> appearance -> advanced .. > handles to 'fade' and use locking by default.
[02:49] <fdoving> when locked, the handles doesn't take any space.
[02:50] <Tm_Test> fdoving: that's my point
[02:51] <fdoving> having the polkadotts when you have the mouse cursor over the handle, when the panel is unlocked doesn't bother me that much. if you're searching for somewhere to rightclick to get to a menu, it's nice to have some visual-stuff telling you it's the correct place.
[02:52] <Tm_T> yes
[02:54] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/Oxygen-icons-01.png
[02:55] <Tm_T> oxygen icons doesn't work well in small sizes (16x or even 32x sometimes)
[02:56] <Tm_T> but fun to use svg icons
[02:56] <Tm_T> slooow :)
[02:56] <fdoving> beos-ish look :)
[02:57] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:57] <Tm_T> fdoving: see current.png there ;)
[02:58] <fdoving> nice :)
[02:59] <fdoving> i have a pretty much default kubuntu desktop.
[03:00] <Tm_T> hmm, I even compile some parts of kde myself (with my small changes etc)
[03:01] <fdoving> anything usefull? 
[03:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you poked?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed.  it seems that the patches in simple-patchsys.mk get applied *after* the autoconf version is checked.  how do i fix this, where one of the patches is the autoconf stuff?
[03:02] <Tm_T> fdoving: hardcoded (should add options) date format in kicker clock, modified b2 windeco etc etc
[03:02] <fdoving> tm_t, ok :)
[03:04] <Tm_T> nothing I can share (yet) really
[03:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: autoconf version should only be checked when running by hand
[03:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: got an example troublesome package?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: knmap
[03:05] <Tm_T> fdoving: but I'm trying to do modern beos/zeta windeco someday ;)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> ftbfs on amd64, but built on i386 and ppc :P
[03:05] <Hobbsee> obviously those two werent updated as quickly
[03:06] <fdoving> tm_t: looking forward to it. :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it seems to work if i patch the autoconf version manually.  but that's not a good thing, surely?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hi Hawkwind 
[03:19] <Hawkwind> Hey there Hobbsee, how's you 
[03:19] <Jucato> Hobbsee: is the next Kubuntu meeting date/time set already?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not that i know of.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: i'm okay
[03:20] <Jucato> Hobbsee: wha? you don't know? Hobbsee doesn't know something? that's an impossibility!!! :P
[03:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:21] <Hobbsee> i dont know *many* things
[03:22] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, pong 
[03:22] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the federation is down?
[03:23] <imbrandon> unfortunately , i only have my laptop for the next days
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ahhh....
[03:23] <imbrandon> it died ( i posted about it on planet )
[03:23] <imbrandon> ;(
[03:23] <Jucato> imbrandon: read your post. you're a lucky guy :)
[03:23] <imbrandon> Jucato, ;)
[03:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea less complieing for me the next few days ( although , i havent stoped all togather, i have pbuilder etc setup on the lappy , its just slower hehehe )
[03:25] <imbrandon> breakfast time bbiab
[03:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, fair enough.  just reading planet now
[03:26] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: wow.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: then again, you did try to send me a wifi card :)
[03:27] <Jucato> heh
[03:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: if only the darn postal people didnt get lost
[03:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:28] <marseillai> grrrrrrrrr i've got flashplayer-mozilla flashplugin-nonfree libflash-mozplugin and libflash0c2 and youtube works fine in firefox but not in konqueror .....
[03:28] <imbrandon> did you tell konqui to rescan for plugins ?
[03:29] <imbrandon> ( not just restart it )
[03:29] <marseillai> nop
[03:29] <marseillai> i'll
[03:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: please tell me you have a backup of your key.  *g*
[03:29] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, definately ;) its on my laptop ( the machine i'm on )
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:29] <Hobbsee> oh good :P
[03:29] <marseillai> imbrandon: don't work
[03:30] <imbrandon> marseillai, ahh ok was just a try
[03:30] <marseillai> will ask to tonio he's the master for that! ;)
[03:30] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea i actualy have all the important data backed up
[03:30] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:31] <marseillai> adept-updater's kicker icon don't like beryl or aiglx
[03:33] <imbrandon> ok breakfast time , takin my mum out, its her birthday
[03:33] <imbrandon> bbiab
[03:34] <Jucato> ooh jdong's here... shall I get your whip ready mistress Hobbsee? :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:35] <jdong> Jucato: I can make life in this channel very miserable.... it's called 'prevu' and it auto-compiles the latest crack packages from edgy :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's  a sunday.  i tend not to whip people on sundays.  besides, i dont think the kopete/konversation stuff is his problem, in particular
[03:35] <Hobbsee> jdong: mind your language.
[03:35] <Jucato> lol
[03:35] <jdong> :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> jdong: tell me, did they build it with yada as well?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> or with checkinstall?
[03:36] <Jucato> nah, Konvi/Kopete are out of his hands. I do blame him for flash though :P
[03:36] <Jucato> heh checkinstall. Hawkwind's favorite
[03:36] <jdong> Hobbsee: naw, it's a wrapper around pbuilder :)
[03:36] <jdong> Hobbsee: as far as I can make it, it compiles fully dapper-backports compliant packages... so it should be pretty safe
[03:36] <Hobbsee> jdong: hmmm....what, for dapper?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> ahh right
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: mind your language :P.  checkinstall is the favourite of a lot of non-devs
[03:37] <jdong> Hobbsee: I got tired of users requesting backports that I couldn't put in dapper-backports, so I wrote for them a backporting script
[03:37] <Hawkwind> Emphasis on *non* devs :P
[03:37] <jdong> checkinstall is indeed an awesome tool to have
[03:37] <Jucato> keyword "non-dev" (which currently includes me) :P
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you know that checkinstall == very bad.  that's a start :P
[03:37] <Hawkwind> jdong: Tell me you're kidding!
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: ouch, wasnt meaning it that way sorry.
[03:38] <jdong> Hawkwind: hmm?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> jdong: smart.  and then they can kill their systems on their own :P
[03:38] <Jucato> Hobbsee: tell me why it was taught at #ubuntu-classroom :P
[03:38] <Hawkwind> jdong: I wouldn't tell my worst enemy to use checkinstall
[03:38] <Hawkwind> Jucato: It shouldn't be IMO
[03:38] <jdong> Hawkwind: what's wrong with it?
[03:38] <fdoving> Hawkwind: it's still better than just running 'make install'.
[03:38] <jdong> Hawkwind: I would never _distribute_ debs I made with checkinstall
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: there was no way it was taught there.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> fdoving: not really.
[03:38] <Hawkwind> jdong: I've used it before, and have had it create packages that will destroy a system
[03:38] <Jucato> Hobbsee: it was :)
[03:38] <jdong> Hawkwind: but it's a good way to have dpkg track manually installed packages
[03:38] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Sadly enough, I totally disagree
[03:39] <Hobbsee> fdoving: no idiot user can possibly redistribute stuff made with make install :P
[03:39] <jdong> Hawkwind: it won't destroy a system any more than a 'make install' would
[03:39] <Hobbsee> that is true
[03:39] <Jucato> some other method > checkinstall > make install...
[03:39] <jdong> Hawkwind: if you can't ./configure the source so that it's non-destructive, that's a different issue... not checkinstall's fault at all
[03:39] <Hawkwind> jdong: Incorrect actually.  I've had it happen to me with checkinstall where actually compiling the app worked perfectly.  Thoroughly tested
[03:39] <fdoving> Hobbsee, hawkwind: idiots using what others have made with chekinstall is one thing. it sure makes system administration alot easier.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> true
[03:39] <jdong> Hawkwind: checkinstall executes make install.... 
[03:40] <Hawkwind> jdong: It does more than that actually
[03:40] <jdong> Hawkwind: with the exception of setuid root executables during the install process, it's pretty reliable
[03:41] <Hawkwind> jdong: I disagree, as I've experienced personally and seen others experience the same thing that I have.  But that's my opinion I guess.  Not something I'll ever recommend to anyone
[03:43] <Hawkwind> The majority of people ironically agree that have used it.  Most won't ever touch it again.  There are a few that will, but majority won't
[03:43] <Jucato> hm...
[03:43] <Jucato> no more scrolling lines.. oh well :)
[03:44] <Jucato> ooh pretty... :)
[03:44] <Jucato> ok brb :P
[03:45] <Hawkwind> Heh yeah me too.  After the NFL football game :P
[03:46] <Hawkwind> Think I'll take my camera and take pics today.  It even does 1 1/2 hours of video too I could capture some of the game :)
[03:47] <ryanakca> fdoving: Tm_T: back, sorry, I agree...
[03:47] <ryanakca> I'll redownload k-d-s, edit it and reupload it to REVU
[04:27] <Tm_T> whoo, new gwenview :o
[04:27] <Riddell> but no translations
[04:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: en_GB even?
[04:29] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:29] <Riddell> nobody has packaged gwenview-i18n
[04:29] <Tm_T> I see
[04:46] <freeflying> Riddell: I've tested dapper-->edgy, amarok can not be upgrade, due to the package name change of libvisiaul, may be we'd provide a dump package for libvisual
[04:50] <freeflying> raphink: hi
[04:50] <raphink> hi freeflying
[04:50] <Riddell> freeflying: I wonder if a Replaces: would work better
[04:50] <freeflying> Riddell: not replace, it'd better for a dump package
[05:21] <Tm_T> iirc apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't handle "replaces" wise
[05:29] <lnxkde> riddell!
[05:31] <lnxkde> Riddell : I would like to ask you some things, about the patches kubuntu aply to KDE
[05:32] <lnxkde> I want help with a project of some friends of mine, vlos distro
[05:32] <lnxkde> wich is based on gentoo
[05:33] <lnxkde> and their KDE sucks.
[05:34] <lnxkde> I would like to know were I can get all the patches to apply the to the KDE sources.
[05:36] <freeflying> lnxkde: patches.ubuntu.com
[05:36] <freeflying> mayube patch.ubuntu.com
[05:37] <lnxkde> patches. It is
[05:38] <lnxkde> freeflying, that patches are the ones used on dapper or in edgy?
[05:46] <imbrandon> lnxkde, both, depending on the package version you are looking at
[05:48] <lnxkde> imbrandon, ok, what I want is to patch the vanilla source those are pepared to patch the debian sources.
[05:48] <lnxkde> they will work on vanilla?
[05:49] <imbrandon> not sure, you will have to try but i would imagine they will work on vanilla in most cases , or with small mods if not
[05:49] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hehe
[05:50] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, your up late
[05:50] <lnxkde> ok, I  really want to help the local proyect is prety good on the gnome desktop
[05:50] <Hobbsee> true
[05:50] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[05:50] <lnxkde> but KDE looks awfull maybe because the main maitainer hates KDE and loves Gnome.
[05:51] <imbrandon> lnxkde, well kde or gnome either one really takes someone dedicated to keep it up, its very hard to do one let alone both, maybe you can help the kde side if thats your calling ;)
[05:52] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[05:58] <lnxkde> imbrandon,  yep that is what I want :)
[06:02] <abattoir> Hobbsee: i've seen it go up to 89 ;)
[06:02] <Hobbsee> mine?
[06:03] <imbrandon> 89C WOOOW /me turns his off if it gets above 55C
[06:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:04] <abattoir> I obv. didn't mean that :P, lets say I just meant 'sensors' in general ;)
[06:05] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:05] <abattoir> yes, i switched it off immdtly. , i wish i even saw 55C :(
[06:05] <abattoir> it averages at around 70 for me :(
[06:05] <imbrandon> about 47 or 48 most of the time here
[06:07] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ksensors :P
[06:07] <ryanakca> physical sensors... nothing on the cpu to get it's temperature... from what I know anywais
[06:08] <jdong> and starting 5 pbuilders on it is a bad idea....
[06:09] <abattoir> ryanakca: try 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature | awk '{print $2}'' ;)
[06:09] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ahh...
[06:09] <Hobbsee> jdong: *g*
[06:09] <imbrandon> jdong, hum i run about 3 or 4 and other users run 1 ro 2 each for a total of about 7 or 8 pbuilders most of the time with no dual core ;)
[06:10] <ryanakca> abattoir: cat: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature: No such file or directory
[06:10] <jdong> imbrandon: yes, but it build speed drops real quick :)
[06:10] <abattoir> ryanakca: hmm i guess it works only if you have sensors :(
[06:10] <ryanakca> lol
[06:10] <abattoir> or acpi :P
[06:10] <jdong>  amazingly the system is quite responsive even under this much build load
[06:11] <imbrandon> gnight Hobbsee  and ryanakca  and alll i'm off to nap
[06:11] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[06:11] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: *g*
[06:12] <ryanakca> g'night imbrandon
[06:12] <imbrandon> ryanakca, hahah ;) me too now lol
[06:12] <imbrandon> anyhow sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
[06:12] <ryanakca> my yearly income = 0. add birthday money and presents, ~400$
[06:12] <ryanakca> see yah :)
[06:12] <imbrandon> you dident get a summer job?
[06:13] <imbrandon> mow grass , shovel snow, paper route , ;P
[06:13] <imbrandon> all great things i did as a kid
[06:13] <jdong> imbrandon: there's no more time for ubuntu after all of that stuff!
[06:13] <imbrandon> to make computer money
[06:13] <imbrandon> jdong, sure there is ;)
[06:14] <gnomefreak> where can i find a copy of a .desktop file?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> awww crap....
[06:14] <imbrandon> all over gnomefreak  almost any package has one
[06:14] <imbrandon> SLEEP
[06:14] <ryanakca> imbrandon: grass... none this summer... not enough rain... paper route: 3$ an hour... shovel snow in a canadian winter... take ages
[06:14] <ryanakca> like... 3 hours
[06:14] <ryanakca> GO! SHOO! procrastinater :P
[06:15] <imbrandon> ryanakca, i dident say it was easy or you would get rich, but after a summer of that you could get a new system ;)
[06:15] <ryanakca> lol, stop procrastinating :P
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[06:15] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: feel like kicking him? lol
[06:16] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: <sarcasm>you aren't dangerous at all...</sarcasm>
[06:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:18] <Hobbsee> heh.  it hits 87C
[06:18] <Hobbsee> impressive
[06:19] <ryanakca> what are you running?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:19] <Hobbsee> my assignment
[06:19] <Hobbsee> http://pastebin.ca/187910
[06:19] <Hobbsee> darn it
[06:21] <ryanakca> bbl
[06:21] <abattoir> Hobbsee: laptop? be careful, the battery might explode ;)
[06:21] <Hobbsee> abattoir: doesnt apply to these
[06:22] <abattoir> hmm?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> this is a toshiba
[06:24] <abattoir> http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-09-19T020528Z_01_TKB002544_RTRIDST_0_TECH-JAPAN-TOSHIBA-SONY.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna
[06:24] <abattoir> :P
[06:24] <abattoir> ok, i'm going offtopic, i'll stop it here :P
[06:26] <Hobbsee> abattoir: :)  i checked with their tool - i'm not effected.  i got a new battery a few months before all the recall stuff
[06:28] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'LongPointyStickOfDoom': Linux 2.6.17-7-generic running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4793 bogomips), , RAM: 962/994MB, 113 proc's, 6.28h up
[06:29] <abattoir> Hobbsee: oh, ok, that's good to hear
[06:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: knmap has a silly upstream who doesn't know to run autofoo before releasing.  it needs http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_autoconf2.60.diff added and pre-build:: changed to post-patches::  want to do it or shall I?
[06:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you, please.  i dont think my machine will cope with anymore overheating tonight :P
[06:42] <Hobbsee> id' be interested in seeing a debdiff though - for the last part
[06:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the rules file just runs make -f Makefile.cvs, because knmap upstream doesn't do it for us. 
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh right
[07:39] <nixternal> Riddell: sorry, but i didn't do the translation for gwenview 1.4.0.  i can do it if you would like, but need a little guidance if possible
[08:19] <pascalFR> just to say that edgy beta really rocks  especially for speed !  very good work all
[09:30] <mhb> anyone thought about building a "Kubuntu Testers" team?
[09:31] <Tm_T> I thought we are
[09:31] <Tm_T> that team
[09:31] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:32] <mhb> well, yes and no
[09:32] <Tm_T> yeah, test users are always welcome
[09:32] <mhb> I know about a lot of users that have Edgy installed but aren't skilled devs
[09:34] <Tm_T> yes
[09:35] <Tm_T> mhb: I already once said I would like to see "active users" channel
[09:35] <mhb> yes, that's more or less what I mean
[09:36] <Tm_T> yes
[09:37] <mhb> the secondary result would be that this channel would be less noisy
[09:38] <Tm_T> true for that
[09:38] <Tm_T> but does that scatter it too much? hmm, maybe not
[09:38] <mhb> maybe not yet, I don't know
[09:39] <Riddell> nixternal: yes please :)
[09:39] <Tm_T> anyway, that would help a lot testing
[09:42] <mhb> I think so as well, but I think the "big and important devs" should express their opinions, too
[09:43] <mhb> maybe next meeting or so
[09:45] <ryanakca> when is the next meeting?
[09:45] <ryanakca> and Riddell, should I upload a k-d-s with kicker locked by default?
[09:46] <ryanakca> to REVU that is
[09:48] <mhb> ryanakca: I thought you might know
[09:48] <ryanakca> mhb: about what? meeting? or k-d-s?  meeting, no clue, not untill after the 12th at least
[09:49] <mhb> ryanakca: meetings
[09:49] <ryanakca> look at the schedule in the topic of #ubuntu-meeting... nothing for a llloooonnnngggg time :)
[09:51] <mhb> oh well
[09:53] <mhb> ryanakca: btw, what do you think about building a "Kubuntu Testers" team that would help power users get involved (not just that) ?
[09:54] <mhb> I guess the devs - after all, you're here :o)
[09:54] <ryanakca> why not start a team on launchpad 'Kubuntu Testers'.... I'd be willing to help out with it, if it got approved
[09:54] <ryanakca> lol
[09:56] <mhb> ryanakca: I think so too, I'm just trying to gather some first feedback here before I'll do anything
[09:59] <mhb> ryanakca: I think I'll wait until tomorrow, then ask here again (maybe some more people will reply) and then decide
[09:59] <ryanakca> kk
[09:59] <ryanakca> lemme know how it goes
[09:59] <mhb> ryanakca: sure
[10:03] <mhb> thanks to all for feedback
[10:19] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[10:51] <fdoving> gnite.
[11:00] <ryanakca> night fdoving
[11:32] <tvo> what is the correct package for qt development with edgy?  (libqt3-mt-dev doesn't seem to work)
[11:51] <ryanakca> tvo: dunno... maybe ask in #ubuntu-motu?