[12:47] <Viper550> kwwii is back?! Yay!
[12:48] <kwwii> yeah, /me is back from Ireland
[12:49] <Viper550> I noticed Kubuntu 6.10 Beta looks very awesome
[12:49] <kwwii> did a bit of work on a kubuntu kmenu icon while I was there
[12:49] <kwwii> Viper550: thanks :-)
[12:49] <Viper550> Cool, everything is looking great...but at first I thought the panel background was mine!
[12:50] <kwwii> yeah, it was really based on yours
[12:50] <kwwii> the same idea
[12:50] <kwwii> I tried to make it a bit softer
[12:50] <kwwii> not sure if there is a real difference, in the end
[12:51] <Viper550> Oh...mine wasn't soft enough?
[12:51] <kwwii> well, when I look at them that is the impression I get, perhaps I am silly though
[12:51] <kwwii> I spent a week on a bunkbed
[12:51] <kwwii> quite tired
[12:52] <Viper550> Yeah, bunkbeds do that to you :P
[12:52] <kwwii> Viper550: what do you think about turning on the "colorize to bg color" option?
[12:52] <kwwii> dude, I am 35 with an 8 year old child, I do not need a bunkbed
[12:53] <Viper550> That's another option I've been looking at/promoting, not many distros enable it on their KDE, would give us some originality
[12:55] <kwwii> from what I have heard so far, people like it colorized
[12:55] <kwwii> I think we should try it out
[12:56] <Viper550> Yeah, I even use mine colorized, since it colors along with the color scheme used, it will complete our purple makeover!
[01:01] <Viper550> still there?
[01:04] <kwwii> sorry, in the bathroom
[01:04] <kwwii> hehe, yeah
[01:05] <kwwii> it is actually a blue color, but in the darker colors it looks purplle
[01:05] <Viper550> Oh yeah, I still think that offical Usplash for Kubuntu is nice!
[01:05] <kwwii> I have seen many computers where it looks more blue
[01:05] <kwwii> I think we could still make the Usplash a bit neaer
[01:05] <kwwii> neater
[01:06] <kwwii> I though about makng the same lines as the wallpaper only set on a black bg, mainly tranparent
[01:11] <Viper550> hmm...
[01:14] <kwwii> I would like to use the wallpaper in the usplash, but with the logo and progress bar it is too many colors
[01:14] <kwwii> well, really, even without the logo and the progress bar it is too many colors
[01:15] <Viper550> hello andreasn
[01:17] <kwwii> andreasn: I have a small movement of people dedicated to migrating to the freedesktop naming spec for kde4 and plans are underway :-)
[01:19] <kwwii> night
[01:21] <Viper550> Not many people have been submitting stuff into the Polish phase...only one...me! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Polish/Incoming
[12:48] <bersace> Hello all !
[02:36] <bersace> troy_s: ping
[04:41] <troy_s> go bersace
[04:54] <bersace> troy_s: wait a minute
[05:02] <bersace> troy_s: re
[06:09] <troy_s> greetings openstandards
[06:09] <troy_s> interesting handle
[06:10] <OpenStandards> Hi :)
[06:13] <OpenStandards> troy_s, do you know the link to where I can find the ubuntu colour scemes?
[06:14] <troy_s> well... i would love to say yes
[06:15] <troy_s> there are 'official' colours
[06:15] <troy_s> but they are not adhered to in _any_ respect
[06:15] <troy_s> are you referring to dapper?
[06:16] <troy_s> the current jumbled up mess in dapper has no consistency what so ever, so you could basically sample the bits and use them.
[06:16] <troy_s> the logo HAS been implemented consistently
[06:16] <OpenStandards> just the offical colour set
[06:16] <troy_s> and the colours are located in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[06:16] <troy_s> again though, don't expect seamless integration with the other colours as there has been _zero_ design adherence in dapper on that.
[06:17] <OpenStandards> ok then
[06:17] <troy_s> the logo colours _are_ adhered to
[06:17] <troy_s> regarding the circle of friends colours
[06:17] <troy_s> but that is where the consistency stops unfortunately.
[06:18] <troy_s> we tried to establish somewhat of a more consistent palette approach for edgy, but that is going to be reverted to the dapper look.
[06:19] <OpenStandards> will a different palette be used in the future?
[06:19] <troy_s> i am trying to convince mark to do this
[06:20] <troy_s> but first i think the trust relationship needs to develop with some folks.
[06:21] <troy_s> don't expect it in the short term (6 months)
[06:21] <OpenStandards> i'm surpised he hasn't gone with an idea of seasons
[06:21] <troy_s> i like that idea too.
[06:21] <troy_s> but effectively, the aesthetic is all over the board
[06:21] <troy_s> and there exists a serious discontinuity between the primary elements (gdm/icons/wallpaper/etc)
[06:22] <troy_s> which, hopefully, we can work towards resolving.
[06:22] <troy_s> unfortunately, the attempts from this cycle have failed to meet his acceptance.
[06:23] <OpenStandards> whats happening will the guidelines be simular to tango in the future
[06:23] <troy_s> well i would like to see clearer guidelines than even tango's
[06:24] <troy_s> that said, there needs to be an agreement on a fundamental set of issues like palette, motifs, etc.
[06:24] <troy_s> which currently there isn't.
[06:25] <troy_s> there are three primary avenues to achieving visual harmony
[06:25] <troy_s> colour, thematic, and repetition
[06:25] <OpenStandards> you british?
[06:25] <troy_s> thus far, ubuntu meets exactly _zero_ of those requirements.
[06:25] <troy_s> no
[06:25] <OpenStandards> you spelt colour like a brit :)
[06:25] <troy_s> (with the exception being that a good subset of the icons meet the repetition element)
[06:25] <troy_s> (and colour)
[06:25] <troy_s> yes i am canadian
[06:26] <troy_s> so we spell several words in the british derivative.
[06:26] <troy_s> do you develop work OpenStandards ?
[06:26] <OpenStandards> well looking to
[06:27] <troy_s> is your handle registered with nickserv?
[06:27] <OpenStandards> yeah it is
[06:28] <troy_s> i must head out
[06:28] <troy_s> feel free to email me to discuss things further
[06:28] <troy_s> ok?
[06:28] <OpenStandards> will do, thanks
[09:56] <fschoep> troy_s_: ping
[10:02] <troy_s_> fschoep
[10:02] <troy_s_> ping
[10:02] <fschoep> yo yo
[10:02] <fschoep> troy_s_: pong
[10:02] <fschoep> troy_s_: got some minutes?
[10:02] <troy_s_> how are you my brother?
[10:02] <troy_s_> shawarma thank the team
[10:03] <troy_s_> unfortunately, it won't be in edgy
[10:03] <shawarma> troy_s_: Huh? What are "they" putting in instead?
[10:03] <fschoep> troy_s_: I'm doing fine, thanks
[10:03] <fschoep> troy_s_: you?
[10:03] <troy_s_> shawarma -- long story
[10:03] <troy_s_> fschoep fine thank you
[10:03] <fschoep> shawarma: troy_s_ is this about what I think it is?
[10:03] <troy_s_> just had daughters birthday party.
[10:04] <fschoep> Sounds great :-)
[10:04] <shawarma> fschoep: I just /msg'ed troy_s_ saying that I thought the gdm screen in current edgy if bloody awesome.
[10:04] <troy_s_> shawarma -- meet fschoep the Artist In Chief for edgy -- but he is more of an ambassador for mark.
[10:04] <fschoep> Pleased to meet you
[10:04] <shawarma> likewise
[10:04] <troy_s_> there have been quite a few polishes... but they haven't been committed to the repositories yet.
[10:05] <troy_s_> i should probably change the topic to the current link frank put up.
[10:05] <fschoep> Indeed
[10:05] <troy_s_> hold on
[10:05] <fschoep> Please do
[10:05] <troy_s_> wtf
[10:05] <fschoep> What's up my brother?
[10:05] <fschoep> Can't set topic title because your nick is changed?
[10:06] <troy_s_> grr
[10:06] <troy_s_> looks like they reset a bunch of garbage
[10:06] <fschoep> Can you rejoin with your normal nick?
[10:06] <troy_s_> ahh
[10:06] <troy_s_> i see.
[10:06] <fschoep> Oh dear, it wasn't me?
[10:06] <fschoep> Right.
[10:06] <fschoep> That's better
[10:06] <fschoep> I think
[10:06] <fschoep> Ah, dand
[10:06] <fschoep> dandy
[10:07] <shawarma> ...so.. if the gdm screen in current Edgy is not going to be in edgy when it releases.. what is?
[10:07] <fschoep> shawarma: a brand new design
[10:07] <troy_s> basically nothing will change
[10:07] <troy_s> fundamentally
[10:07] <shawarma> fschoep: Can it be seen anywhere?
[10:07] <fschoep> shawarma: inspired by Dapper's version, updated to reflect some new visuals
[10:07] <fschoep> shawarma: it's being created as we speak
[10:07] <fschoep> fschoep: well, it should be being created as we speak
[10:08] <shawarma> FWIW, when I saw the current one, I was totally blown away.
[10:08] <troy_s> i can tell you i won't be bothering
[10:08] <fschoep> That sounds a bit too jaded I think
[10:08] <troy_s> i just don't have the time of late
[10:08] <troy_s> this show is gearing up into full bore
[10:08] <fschoep> I can understand
[10:08] <troy_s> and i have tried to negotiate the issues
[10:08] <troy_s> which fundamentally end up back where we started
[10:09] <fschoep> Yes, but nobody is pointing a finger towards you Troy, you did an excellent job.
[10:10] <troy_s> i am not concerned about myself actually
[10:10] <troy_s> i don't mind any of the effort.  i was more hopeful to look at the overarching design concerns and _try_ to address them in a more professional, sophisticated manner.
[10:10] <shawarma> will troy's design at least be available as well?
[10:10] <troy_s> unfortunately, it will take more time
[10:11] <troy_s> and the politicking is a little nightmarish
[10:11] <troy_s> i simply don't have time for it.
[10:11] <fschoep> I know, I'm sorry it ultimately came down to that
[10:11] <troy_s> needless to say, i have drafted an art director from my industry to help out on ubun2 as well.
[10:11] <fschoep> shawarma: it'll probably be around, yes
[10:11] <fschoep> troy_s: sounds large scale all of a sudden?
[10:11] <troy_s> well...
[10:11] <troy_s> the best way to illustrate how something _should_ be done, is to do it.
[10:12] <fschoep> I can't argue with tat
[10:12] <fschoep> that*
[10:12] <troy_s> :)
[10:12] <troy_s> i am simply unwilling to mire more professional folks in the process
[10:12] <troy_s> when the demonstrated path of design is characteristically crippled.
[10:12] <troy_s> unfortunate, but i can't waste their time.
[10:13] <troy_s> i don' t mind wasting mine because i am committed to what Ubuntu is.
[10:13] <fschoep> Yes
[10:13] <shawarma> Urgh... I didn't mean to shake the bee hive.. :-)
[10:13] <troy_s> shawarma it wasn't you my friend.
[10:13] <fschoep> shawarma: I think it was already shaken up :)
[10:13] <troy_s> shawarma you just popped in at the turning point
[10:13] <troy_s> i really hope someone will step up and design what mark wants.
[10:13] <troy_s> who has some time.
[10:14] <fschoep> I have time
[10:14] <fschoep> jmak is doing some designs as well
[10:14] <troy_s> i am pretty confident that there will be a decent team behind the ubun2 project.
[10:14] <shawarma> ubun2?
[10:14] <troy_s> i have several professional folks interested thus far, the missing components will be the technological end.
[10:14] <troy_s> which i hope to draft seveas on.
[10:57] <troy_s> wow
[10:57] <troy_s> http://suissacomputers.com/
[11:00] <fschoep_> troy_s: ping
[11:01] <fschoep_> troy_s: Hello?
[11:01] <troy_s> howdy
[11:01] <troy_s> you get that last link?
[11:01] <troy_s> http://suissacomputers.com/
[11:01] <troy_s> gee...
[11:01] <troy_s> not at all like the six designers were talking about.
[11:02] <fschoep_> Can anyone see my messages?
[11:02] <fschoep_> Allo allo?
[11:03] <troy_s> fschoep_ you there?
[11:04] <fschoep_> troy_s: I think so
[11:04] <fschoep_> Allo allo?
[11:04] <troy_s> see if you can get yoru fschoep back
[11:04] <troy_s> quit and rejoin
[11:04] <fschoep_> Right
[11:05] <fschoep> Allo?
[11:14] <fschoep> troy_s: ping?