[12:09] <rouzic> Hi all
[12:09] <rouzic> I have a problem with a wifi in the Macbook and Beta Kubuntu Edgy
[12:12] <mdke_> BenC: still here?
[12:12] <BenC> mdke_: yeah
[12:12] <mdke_> BenC: hi. Did Matt Nuzum ask you about a problem with some servers network cards with the dapper kernel?
[12:13] <BenC> mdke_: Can you be more specific about the problem..I'm not so good with names :)
[12:14] <mdke_> BenC: sure thing, I guess he hasn't :) Canonical rents some dedicated servers for locoteams and such, Matt manages them. When upgraded to dapper, they don't see the network and can't be reached.
[12:15] <mdke_> eth is VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II]  (rev 78)
[12:15] <mdke_> have you heard anything about similar problems?
[12:16] <jdong> hmm, is that the via quirks thing again?
[12:17] <zul> no thats something else probably
[12:17] <mdke_> I don't know anything else about it than that, except that Breezy has no problem
[12:17] <BenC> no, never heard of that problem before
[12:17] <mdke_> I guess I don't even know for sure it's a problem with the network card or the kernel, but that sounded to me like a probable cause
[12:17] <BenC> mdke_: is it using latest dapper-security kernel?
[12:18] <jdong> hehe, that sounds like a catch-22 to me... upgrading to dapper-security to fix a network card driver... :)
[12:18] <mdke_> BenC: I can't tell you that, I haven't tried an upgrade away from Breezy on the server I manage. But it is likely that it was only tried with an early dapper kernel, and then people reverted to Breezy kernels
[12:20] <mdke_> it's a tricky thing to debug :)
[12:23] <mdke_> BenC: ok, since it hasn't rung any bells, we'll file a bug
[12:34] <BloaSE> What is better linux or windows?
[12:34] <Fade> lol
[12:34] <Fade> ham? I thought you said grasshopper!
[12:35] <Fujitsu> BloaSE, please stop trolling. You do this too often.
[12:36] <BloaSE> what is better lamb or beef Rogan Josh?
[12:36] <tseng> please take it somewhere else.
[12:37] <Fade> 'cause I have a bear of an xemacs bug that's really cramping my style. ;)
[12:37] <Fade> and I don't know if this is peculiar to my machine, or if it's all over the place.
[12:38] <tseng> Fade: have you searched launchpad?
[12:38] <Fade> of course. ;)
[12:38] <tseng> have you filed a new bug?
[12:38] <Fade> yes
[12:38] <tseng> ok then :)
[12:38] <Fade> it isn't new so much as almost three weeks old, tho. ;)
[12:39] <tseng> maybe imbrandon is a ppc emacs guy
[12:39] <Fujitsu> He's more nano, AFAIK :P
[12:40] <tseng> nano, how useful
[12:40] <Fujitsu> I'm a Vimmer, myself.
[12:40] <tseng> i have seen people setup syntax hilighting and some decent stuff in nano, though
[12:41] <BloaSE> The process for install ATI cards under ubuntu is rather long and drawn out, linux need's what windows has in .exe
[12:41] <tseng> BloaSE: if you don't have anything sensible to say, please leave, you've been asked twice
[12:42] <tseng> final warning
[12:42] <BloaSE> ok
[12:43] <tseng> phew.
[12:44] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[12:44] <Fade> this is the bug:
[12:45] <Fade> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xemacs21/+bug/58856
[12:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58856 in xemacs21 "xemacs segfaults on edgy powerpc system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:45] <Fade> gnuemacs is also bjorked. ;)
[12:45] <tseng> have you looked at a backtrace?
[12:45] <Fade> although less so. gnu doesn't segfault, it just displays a frame with little empty squares instead of letters.
[12:46] <Fade> yeah, they're in the bug report.
[12:46] <tseng> fun font problems
[12:47] <Fade> it's interesting. I've built upstream sources all the way up to bleeding edge, and they all fail the same way.
[12:47] <Fade> but it's a biotch to have to boot OSX to get an XEmacs frame. ;)
[12:57] <Fade> the gtk/gnome frame comes up, but dies spectacularly if you try to edit any of the faces.
[12:57] <Fade> ++bummer :)
[12:58] <Fade> anyhow, just thought I'd mention it; the fact that nobody has really seemed to bother about the report makes me wonder if it's just my system.
[12:59] <Fade> unless emacs has become spectacularly unpopular in ubuntu circles. 
[01:00] <LaserJock> hmm xemacs+edgy+ppc might be the problem
[01:00] <LaserJock> any 2 of those might give you significant amounts of people
[01:01] <tseng> LaserJock: plain-old-emacs is broken
[01:01] <tseng> according to Fade 
[01:02] <Fade> on this platform.
[01:02] <Fade> there's a screenshot of a gnuemacs frame in that bug report that's pretty amusing.
[01:03] <Fade> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4132345/bad_emacs.png
[01:07] <Fade> mithrandir was looking at it, but I think he got sidetracked. it's been sort of nuts around here lately. :)
[01:08] <tseng> he was building the beta, which is no small task
[01:12] <Fade> *nod*
[01:19] <Fade> ah, this is a duplicate:
[01:19] <Fade> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xemacs21/+bug/57586
[01:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57586 in xemacs21 "XEmacs segfaults on startup in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[01:40] <fdsd> hey guys, I am trying to modify the usplash on the ubuntu live cd, where do I add the usplash.so file for the shutdown process I just get the usplash edgy test pattern when shutting down, do I stick it in the initrd file in /boot or the root of the cd inside casper? also should both initrd files be the same? thanks
[03:17] <ZigGaag> Ubuntu rocks your fucking socks off.
[03:17] <ZigGaag> =)
[03:35] <_ion> mjg59: I posted a patch, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/62865/comments/1
[03:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62865 in usplash "1024x768 with nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE: "screen init failed"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[04:36] <ne78> Will the php5.1 version of edgy ship without PDO ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/50353, it quite critical php5.1 is supposed to have pdo, The reason seem to be debian laziness (bug open for 254 days with "it will happpen someday") http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=348882
[04:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50353 in php5 "Cannot install PDO and PDO Drivers in PHP5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[04:38] <ne78> i see everybody is sleeping
[04:39] <_ion> Yes.
[04:44] <LaserJock> totally sleeping
[04:44] <zul> very..
[04:47] <_ion> It's cool how he was able to reach that conclusion within two minutes.
[04:51] <zul> i think ill be doing what he is thinking...night
[04:51] <zul> hi/bye ogra
[08:32] <pascalFR> hello
[08:32] <pascalFR> i'm trying to rebuild apt with debug but i obvioulsly need some lib
[08:32] <pascalFR> Building program ../build/bin/methods/file
[08:32] <pascalFR> ../build/bin/libapt-pkg.so: rfrence indfinie vers  pkgVendorList::end() const
[08:32] <pascalFR> ../build/bin/libapt-pkg.so: rfrence indfinie vers  pkgVendorList::begin() const
[08:32] <pascalFR> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[08:39] <NthDegree> what about using apt-get build to download the source of apt-get and needed libs
[08:40] <NthDegree> or rather apt-get build-dep
[09:09] <pascalFR> NthDegree: see http://pastebin.com/797690    apt-get build did nothing
[09:11] <minghua> pascalFR: a stupid question, but do you have build-essential installed?
[09:11] <pascalFR> minghua:   yep :)
[09:12] <pascalFR> minghua: I mean  installed :)
[09:12] <minghua> pascalFR: sounds like a bug to me then.  maybe report it?
[09:12] <pascalFR> to debian or launchpad ?
[09:13] <tfheen> pascalFR: what does dpkg-checkbuilddeps return?
[09:14] <pascalFR> tfheen:  dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: cannot read control file debian/control: No such file or directory
[09:15] <tfheen> run it from the apt-$versionnumber directory
[09:15] <minghua> pascalFR: run "dpkg-source -x apt_0.6.45ubuntu14.dsc" first
[09:15] <minghua> (then go into apt-0.6.45ubuntu14 and run dpkg-checkbuilddeps)
[09:18] <pascalFR> ok it returns with rc=0
[09:19] <minghua> pascalFR: are you building in a Debian system or Ubuntu system?
[09:19] <pascalFR> ubuntu
[09:19] <pascalFR> edgy beta1
[09:20] <minghua> pascalFR: in that case if you want to report a bug I think launchpad is the correct place
[09:20] <pascalFR> yes bug #57393 is where i updated info
[09:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57393 in apt "apt segfaults if /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin is wrong" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57393
[09:22] <pascalFR> i wanted to debug apt  but cannot build it :(
[09:24] <tfheen> pascalFR: how are you trying to build it?
[09:24] <pascalFR> tfheen:  http://pastebin.com/797690
[09:29] <tfheen> pascalFR: oh, reproduced here.  Please do file a bug on apt.
[09:30] <pascalFR> http://groups.google.fr/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/521e5beaf6be773a/23e931854d46e248?lnk=st&q=pkgVendorList%3A%3Aend&rnum=1&hl=fr#23e931854d46e248 
[09:30] <pascalFR> seems to be similar 
[09:30] <ajmitch> excellent, xen got through NEW, thanks to whoever poked that theough
[09:30] <pascalFR> dated from 2005  seems to be linked to gcc version
[09:34] <pascalFR> bug #63299 submitted 
[09:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63299 in apt "apt cannot be rebuild from source" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63299
[09:36] <minghua> using "rebuild with noopt option" is probably a better idea
[09:37] <pascalFR> bug #63299 submitted 
[09:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63299 in apt "rebuild apt with noopt option fails" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63299
[11:35] <shining> hi
[11:35] <shining> isn't it weird to have different uuid for several partition ? is this known already ?
[11:36] <shining> same uuid for different partitions
[11:36] <shining> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268529
[11:38] <Burgundavia> shining: please file a bug, this is not the place for bug reports
[11:38] <Burgundavia> shining: nor are the forums the correct locaiton
[11:39] <shining> exactly, the guy is asking help for reporting it. so you have to know against which package this bug needs to be reported against, and check it hasn't been reported before / isn't known by the dev yet
[11:41] <Burgundavia> shining: off the top of my head, no. file it and let the triagers sort it out
[11:42] <tseng> hello Burgundavia 
[11:42] <Burgundavia> hey tseng
[11:43] <ajmitch> hi Burgundavia, tseng 
[11:43] <tseng> hey
[11:47] <sivang> hey slomo , Burgundavia  , tseng 
[01:21] <rouzic> Hi desrt
[01:24] <herzi> tfheen: ping
[01:25] <tfheen> herzi: if you'd include content with your pings, that'd be a tad more useful than just "ping".
[01:29] <herzi> tfheen: can you take a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/63277
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63277 in casper "Doesn't work from USB devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[01:33] <tfheen> herzi: no, I'm not working today and have a friend I am going to chat with now.
[01:49] <pygi> siretart: ping, hopefully you got my message :) I hope I can get a reply some day :P
[01:49] <Treenaks> pygi: do you want it autographed too?
[01:50] <pygi> Treenaks: no, not really :) Just wanna know if the patch is fine =)
[01:50] <pygi> (against dvd+rw tools)
[02:40] <siretart> pygi: I'm currently on a local LUG event, I'll look at it soon
[02:40] <slomo> doko, doko_: ping?
[02:46] <popey> guys.. should i report a kernel bug for an unsupported sound card?
[02:47] <Treenaks> yes
[02:47] <popey> i guess it will be a wishlist item?
[02:47] <Treenaks> yes :)
[02:47] <Treenaks> popey: what kind of card?
[02:47] <popey> Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Music Sound Card
[02:47] <popey> 06:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs Unknown device 0005
[02:47] <Treenaks> sounds horrible :)
[02:48] <popey> better than the in built nvidia one :S
[02:48] <minghua> popey: make sure you show the "lspci -n" result in the report too
[02:48] <popey> wilco
[02:48] <Treenaks> popey: no I mean the name
[02:48] <popey> aqhh
[02:48] <popey> agreed
[02:48] <popey> lspci -vv any good?
[02:49] <Treenaks> popey: that gives you the subsystem ID number, also nice to know
[02:55] <popey> \o/ bug 63352
[02:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63352 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Creative labs X-Fi sound card unsupported" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63352
[02:56] <Treenaks> *\o/*
[02:56] <popey> :)
[02:57] <Treenaks> popey: you should add those to your ascii-art guy too :P
[02:59] <popey> :)
[03:00] <Spads> trigger.pl in irssi rocks: 14:00  4: -publics -regexp ':\)' -replace ''
[03:01] <popey> \o/ utf-8
[03:06] <Spads> \/
[03:09] <giftnudel> popey: please say what card this actually is in the bugreport
[03:09] <popey> i did
[03:09] <popey> in the title
[03:10] <popey> is that not sufficient?
[03:22] <giftnudel> popey: oh, there is not more to it? Then that's fine, I didn't find it
[03:23] <popey> :)
[03:23] <popey> That's all it says on the spec for my pc online, and all the delivery sheet says
[03:29] <|Danielle|> Nace una nueva red IRC: irc.ubuntuzone.org . Para conectarte: irc.ubuntuzone.org puerto 6668
[03:46] <ogra> Riddell, thanks for the link ... i'm not affiliated with gallium in any way, even i got around 300 rant mails (some even threatening my health) within the last week ...
[03:47] <zul> holy crap?
[03:47] <ogra> Riddell,  that gives me a very disappointing view of the KDE community :(
[03:48] <zul> ogra: threatening your health you gotta be serious
[03:48] <ogra> yep
[03:48] <ogra> "we'll find out where you live"
[03:48] <zul> uh ok..
[03:48] <ogra> "i'll hunt you down if you drop kdeedu "
[03:48] <ogra> etc etc
[03:48] <ogra> really mean stuff ...
[03:49] <Lathiat> awesome :\
[03:49] <Treenaks> ogra: hm.. scary
[03:49] <lastnode> i missed the link, can someome repaste? (timed out)
[03:49] <ogra> its not the majority, but there are some really evil ones among them
[03:49] <zul> thats ridiculus over a piece of software
[03:49] <ogra> lastnode, http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/27154.html
[03:50] <ogra> we have constant space constraints on the edubuntu CD due to including kdeedu (it just pulls in to many unused deps) so a community group started to write a new frontend for the kalzium data
[03:51] <ogra> (in the spirit of ubiquity or hwdb-gui-(kde,gnome))
[03:52] <zul> still...ridiculous
[03:53] <ogra> right
[03:53] <lastnode_> what i find hillarious is that most of these guys probably couldn't hurt a fly
[03:53] <lastnode_> television has made everyone a gangster, seriously
[03:53] <lastnode_> :\
[03:54] <zul> more like the internet
[05:16] <RicardoPerez> pitti: ping
[05:26] <RicardoPerez> pitti: ping
[05:52] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[05:53] <highvoltage> howdy!
[05:54] <_ion> howdy-how
[05:54] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage, _ion
[05:56] <welshbyte> hey bddebian 
[05:56] <welshbyte> oops, this isn't -motu
[05:58] <bddebian> welshbyte: Yeah, don't talk to my lowly arse in here ;-P
[06:15] <BenC> tfheen: ping
[06:40] <theCore> I created a team, ubuntu-helpteam. and I would like a mailing list. Who should I contact?
[06:42] <mc44> theCore, mailman@lists.ubuntu.com
[06:42] <theCore> mc44: thanks
[07:04] <tfheen> BenC: yo
[07:07] <jdong> BenC: can you fix bug 61235 pretty please?
[07:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61235 in linux-source-2.6.17 "USB mass storage stops working after a while" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61235
[07:10] <BenC> tfheen: not sure if we still need admin approval for uploads, but linux-restricted-modules, linux-meta and linux-souce-2.6.17 are on their way (lrm and linux-meta are already there)
[07:10] <tseng> BenC: things are being accepted
[07:10] <BenC> fixing ubuntu-6.10 targeted bugs
[07:11] <BenC> ok
[07:11] <tseng> without intervention afaik
[07:11] <BenC> I noticed it didn't say it was awaiting admin approval, but wanted to be sure
[07:14] <tfheen> BenC: you don't need approvals now.  Things will be announced when they lock down a bit for RC and release.
[07:16] <BenC> jdong: working on it
[07:16] <BenC> jdong: Please mark it for ubuntu-6.10 milestone and assing it to me so I don't forget?
[07:16] <BenC> *assign
[07:21] <_ion> mjg59: Hi
[08:24] <RicardoPerez> pitti: ping
[08:59] <mxpxpod> where do I report bugs with the installer cd?
[08:59] <ivoks> launchpad.net/malone
[09:18] <fdsd> hey guys, in Knot3 ubuntu, the powerpc livecd does not power off the machine when you halt nor does it restart the computer, anyone know how I may fix it?
[09:18] <fdsd> it just hangs at a black screen with a - cursor at the top left
[09:18] <beuno> fdsd: support for edgy is in: #ubuntu+1
[09:18] <beuno> this is only for development
[09:19] <fdsd> beuno, I am developing software for the livecd
[09:19] <beuno> :X
[09:20] <tfheen> fdsd: press enter and it should work
[09:21] <tfheen> fdsd: it's a known bug.
[09:21] <fdsd> oh really
[09:21] <fdsd> interesting, it probably is because it says press enter to halt but its not visible
[09:21] <fdsd> do you know what I can modify to change that?
[09:32] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[09:32] <Toadstool> any buildd admin around?
[09:32] <tfheen> Toadstool: if it's just a simple thing, sure, if not, it's my sunday evening. :-P
[09:33] <Toadstool> http://librarian.launchpad.net/4565707/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.xffm-proc_4.5.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <-- ./configure could not find ps
[09:33] <Toadstool> tfheen: oh, right, sorry :)
[09:48] <tfheen> Toadstool: curious build failure, unsure why that happened.  You probably need infinity, though.
[09:48] <shawarma> Toadstool: it doesn't build-depend on gs?
[09:49] <tfheen> shawarma: gs != ps
[09:49] <Toadstool> tfheen: ok, i'll ask him tomorrow
[09:49] <shawarma> tfheen: Doh...
[09:49] <Toadstool> thanks
[09:57] <geser> how should the update from imake and makedepend (dapper) to xutils-dev (edgy) happen?
[09:58] <shawarma> tfheen: the buildd's have biuld-essential installed, its dependencies and nothing else, right?
[09:58] <tfheen> shawarma: they should have essential: yes and priority: required installed too.
[09:58] <shawarma> tfheen: ah, ok.
[10:07] <ajmitch> morning
[10:09] <pygi> hey ajmitch 
[10:34] <jasper> Hello can someone explain me how to edit a file that has root privileges?
[10:35] <Mez> !support
[10:35] <jasper> !support
[10:35] <Mez> oh, ok - try #ubuntu for support please jasper
[10:35] <HiddenWolf> jasper: #ubuntu-nl
[10:35] <jasper> oh oke wrong channel :)
[11:07] <mdke_> update-manager -d doesn't work anymore for upgrading to the development version?
[11:09] <_ion> mdke: --help
[11:09] <mdke_> _ion: yeah. That says it works, but running it on my dapper doesn't see Edgy
[11:11] <_ion> Um. My point was the "-c" in the --help listing. AFAIR dapper has it, too.
[11:11] <_ion> I might remember incorrectly, though.
[11:11] <mdke_> _ion: that appears to be for new stable distributions, whereas -d is for new devel distributions. At least that's my interpretation of the --help dialogue
[11:13] <mdke_> lemme try -c
[11:13] <mdke_> no, nothing there either
[11:13] <fdsd> hey guys, I want to burn two types of livecds to a disc, for example, I have gotten ubuntu powerpc livecd 6.06 and x86 livecd down to 200mb, I want to make one disc that will allow me to boot off both, I can make the x86 iso on the first session so PCs can boot off it, and put the powerpc livecd on the second session so I can hold down option at boot on a mac and boot off it, but my question is how do I burn both Isos to a disc?  I assum
[11:13] <fdsd> e mkisofs or cdrecord can do it.. Any ideas?
[11:15] <LaserJock> mdke_: worked just fine for me
[11:15] <mdke_> LaserJock: hmm.
[11:16] <_ion> I'd assume you'd need '-c -d'
[11:16] <mdke_> _ion: yes, that works... although it sounds weird
[11:16] <mdke_> thanks for getting it working anyhow :)
[11:17] <_ion> It would be nice if --help told -c is not implied by -d.