[03:37] <malice_> anyone here use a wireless card to connect to the net like one from Cingular?
[09:36] <jldugger> wierd regression from dapper -- my toshiba's Fn keys dont work =(
[09:58] <Treenaks> jldugger: please file a bug, complaints from IRC are easily lost
[10:07] <jldugger> working on it
[10:08] <jldugger> gotta figure out where to file the bug first
[10:08] <jldugger> currently, im going with acpi-support
[10:26] <Infecto> my fn on nc8000 dont work to 
[10:26] <Infecto> and i`v got problems with acpi 
[10:26] <jldugger> who makes it?
[10:26] <Infecto>  i dont know 
[10:26] <jldugger> you know the model number but not the maker?
[10:27] <Infecto> i think thats near acpi 
[10:27] <jldugger> HP
[10:27] <Infecto> a laptop
[10:27] <Infecto> HP 
[10:27] <Infecto> misonderstund 
[10:28] <jldugger> what happens on 'sudo tail -f /var/log/messages' when you press a key
[10:28] <jldugger> ?
[10:29] <Infecto> nothing
[10:29] <Infecto> but ksnpshot works 
[10:29] <Infecto> but screen bright and dark not work
[10:29] <jldugger> dont think that one's acpi
[10:29] <matt8806suomi> what is the problem Infecto?
[10:29] <jldugger> ksnpshot
[10:30] <jldugger> but the brightness probably are.
[10:31] <Infecto> matt8806suomi: my problem is that after wake up, if my laptop wake up and :) some times he did, the fan dotn start up
[10:36] <matt8806suomi> bugger, can't help you much there, sorry Infecto
[10:51] <matt8806suomi> anyone know what are some battery extending tweaks for ubuntu
[10:53] <jldugger> i know a few
[10:53] <jldugger> edgy should make it easier to figure out which ones work
[10:53] <matt8806suomi> i have dapper
[10:54] <jldugger> but first off, make sure dynamic frequency scaling is working
[10:55] <matt8806suomi> i don't know the first thing about "dynamic frequency scaling". could you please enlighten me
[10:55] <jldugger> ok, you've probably got something like a 2.2 ghz cpu in your laptop, right?
[10:56] <jldugger> well, running that high takes a lot of energy, and produces a lot of heat (meaning more fans going)
[10:56] <jldugger> "dynamic frequency scaling" (cpufreq) lets your laptop clock down and run slower
[10:56] <jldugger> cuts energy consumption, and reduces temperature
[10:57] <matt8806suomi> nope just a 1.6 with 512 ddr2 600
[10:58] <jldugger> how long is your battery lasting?
[10:59] <matt8806suomi> about 140mins
[10:59] <jldugger> another thing you can do is make the screen darker on battery
[10:59] <matt8806suomi> that's with AIGLX running all the time
[10:59] <jldugger> the LCD backlight is probably the hungriest part of it
[11:00] <jldugger> gnome 2.16's power management has a nifty graph of power usage
[11:00] <matt8806suomi> i have that setup. when i unplug the power cable the screen brightness drops
[11:01] <jldugger> the darker you set it, the longer it will last
[11:01] <matt8806suomi> yeah of course
[11:01] <matt8806suomi> that makes sense
[11:01] <jldugger> ati or nvidia?
[11:01] <matt8806suomi> i have Gnome 2.14.3, how do i get to 1.16
[11:02] <jldugger> easiest way is to wait until edgy is released in a few weeks
[11:02] <matt8806suomi> Mobile Intel 915GM
[11:02] <jldugger> huh
[11:02] <matt8806suomi> what's with the huh?
[11:03] <jldugger> those aren't very powerful 3d
[11:03] <jldugger> might try turning off aiglx and see how much longer the battery lasts
[11:03] <matt8806suomi> 10-15 mins longer
[11:04] <matt8806suomi> but yet even then, it still isn't anywhere near the 4.5 i get from windows
[11:04] <jldugger> you have any bluetooth running?
[11:05] <matt8806suomi> wireless occasionally but not all the time, ow and i don't have bluetooth! well i don't think i do
[11:06] <matt8806suomi> how would i go about upgrading to Gnome 2.16 now?
[11:12] <matt8806suomi> you there jldugger?
[11:15] <jldugger> yea, sorry. roommates cleaned out the freezer
[11:15] <jldugger> had to double check that nothing of mine would melt
[11:15] <jldugger> anyways, upgrading gnome is a pita
[11:16] <matt8806suomi> nah that's cool
[11:16] <jldugger> your 3 options are to install from source, attempt to backport the edgy packages, or upgrade
[11:17] <matt8806suomi> what do you recommend, i'm thought about upgrade
[11:18] <jldugger> well, compiling gnome from source is a complicated effort and you still wont have all the ubunbut modifications, for better or worse, so i cant recommend that path
[11:19] <jldugger> backporting from edgy will require at least a rebuild of the packages for the dapper libc stuff, and there's no guarentee you'll be able to fix it all, or get any help
[11:19] <jldugger> the least painful would be upgrading to edgy
[11:19] <matt8806suomi> i might try that
[11:20] <jldugger> if i were you id hit up launchpad and check to see if your laptop has any known bugs
[11:21] <jldugger> http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2006/linuxsymposium_procv1.pdf
[11:26] <jldugger> p127 has some discussion on what improves battery life
[11:36] <matt8806suomi> thanks
[11:38] <jldugger> id also wonder whether windows actually gets four hours of use
[11:41] <matt8806suomi> web and word, that's all that is done in windows
[11:42] <matt8806suomi> lowest lcd brightness, cpu frequence changing
[11:42] <matt8806suomi> ow btw how do i setup cpu throttling
[11:49] <jldugger> its probably running right now
[11:49] <jldugger> you in GNOME?
[11:49] <jldugger> yes, thats right you said you were
[11:50] <jldugger> right click on the gnome panel and add a "CPU Frequncy Monitor" applet
[11:52] <jldugger> that should indicate whether its running or not
[11:53] <matt8806suomi> yeah i'm in Gnome
[11:54] <matt8806suomi> yeah i can add the applet but it says that my pc does not have the functions enabled?
[11:54] <matt8806suomi> what next?
[11:55] <jldugger> /etc/init.d/powernowd start
[11:58] <matt8806suomi> it says it's not supported but i had it in 5.1, then i upgraded to 6.01 and gooooone!!
[11:58] <matt8806suomi> ??
[11:58] <matt8806suomi> what's going on?
[11:58] <jldugger> you might need a module in the kernel
[11:59] <jldugger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MataroSessionsWorkshops/CPUFreqModuleLoading