[12:33] <pygi> jdong: ping_
[12:34] <pygi> ?
[12:34] <jdong> pygi: pong
[12:34] <pygi> jdong: you wrote a UVF request for wine? :)
[12:34] <jdong> pygi: no, not yet
[12:34] <pygi> jdong: oki, just wanted to ask :)
[12:34] <jdong> pygi: but further looking around shows that 0.9.21 is a buggy release, and we REALLY should get 22
[12:34] <jdong> pygi: so you wanna UVF it?
[12:35] <pygi> jdong: that is true
[12:35] <jdong> I'm busy doing some prevu fixups right now
[12:35] <pygi> jdong: but 22 isn't out yet if I'm not mistaken?
[12:35] <jdong> pygi: yes it is :)
[12:35] <jdong> winehq
[12:35] <jdong> builds cleanly with our diff.gz
[12:36] <pygi> the last one I see is 21 :P
[12:36] <jdong> http://www.winehq.com/?announce=latest
[12:36] <pygi> hm, right, snapshot date
[12:36] <jdong> it's a fresh new release
[12:36] <pygi> ergh, that isn't on their homepage :)
[12:36] <pygi> well, we want 22 :)
[12:37] <pygi> I'll leave you now to do the fixups and bug you again later :)
[12:37] <Fujitsu> Our NZian friend is back in -devel... What fun.
[12:41] <tseng> Fujitsu: oh
[12:42] <Fujitsu> This guy was MarkShuttleworth, and comes back in every few days... He just won't give up.
[12:43] <tseng> some day -devel will be +m
[12:47] <Q-FUNK> odd guy
[12:48] <iXce> no way to get rid of him?
[12:48] <tseng> I just did
[12:48] <tseng> but he will be back
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Unfortunately, we can't ban him trivially, as he's on a dynamic IP, and it's the largest ISP in NZ, apparently.
[12:58] <iXce> argh
[01:02] <jdong> is there any way to manually give pbuilder some deb packages to use while resolving dependencies?
[01:03] <jdong> i.e. I am backporting foo, but that needs a libbar/libbar-dev backport
[01:03] <tseng> you can either --save-after-login and install them by hand
[01:03] <tseng> or build an apt source and add it
[01:03] <jdong> tseng: hmm, ok
[01:04] <jdong> tseng: is pbuilder smart enough to automatically bind-mount, or do I need to do it for it?
[01:04] <tseng> bind-mount what?
[01:04] <jdong> tseng: i.e. othermirror "deb file:/var/cache/pbuilder/result"
[01:04] <jdong> will it be able to find it?
[01:04] <tseng> erm
[01:04] <tseng> no.
[01:04] <tseng> its a chroot
[01:04] <jdong> ok, simple pbuilderrc modification then
[01:04] <jdong> thanks tseng!
[01:04] <lupine_85> bam the whole ISP? ;)
[01:04] <lupine_85> ban*
[01:05] <tseng> lupine_85: erm, no.
[01:11] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[01:12] <Fujitsu> Hey TheMuso.
[01:12] <LaserJock> hi
[01:13] <Fujitsu> Hi LaserJock.
[01:14] <tseng> yay LaserJock
[01:14] <Fujitsu> \o/ Ubuntuholic.
[01:15] <LaserJock> heh
[01:16] <LaserJock> well, I think I managed to get my blog on planet
[01:17] <LaserJock> now I need to blog something
[01:17] <pygi> nice LaserJock :)
[01:17] <LaserJock> but today hasn't been all that fun so I'm not sure what to do
[01:18] <tseng> blog about lasers?
[01:19] <LaserJock> tseng: I'd get kicked off planet
[01:20] <tseng> LaserJock: ...?
[01:20] <LaserJock> for just blabbing about lasers
[01:20] <LaserJock> who cares about lasers
[01:20] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:20] <tseng> the only person who should be kicked off planet is "Ubuntu Demon"
[01:21] <Fujitsu> ?
[01:21] <tseng> ?
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Why>?
[01:22] <tseng> because his "hackergotchi" gives me seizures, to start
[01:22] <tseng> a few weeks ago he mistook planet ubuntu for digg.com
[01:22] <tseng> corey burger straightened him out
[01:22] <Fujitsu> ...
[01:22] <LaserJock> the "Tell me what laptop to get" ones were interesting
[01:22] <LaserJock> but whatever
[01:23] <tseng> you must have missed the 3 posts a day with no content
[01:23] <tseng> "I FOUND ANOTHER WEBSIGHT"
[01:23] <tseng> etc
[01:23] <Fujitsu> Terrific.
[01:24] <tseng> I have a stricter idea of what a recognized memeber should be, I guess
[01:26] <LaserJock> hmm, the network montior applet is reeealy wide
[01:28] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, using wireless?
[01:28] <LaserJock> sure
[01:28] <LaserJock> upgraded to edgy last night
[01:28] <LaserJock> everything seems awesome
[01:28] <LaserJock> it even resumes right now
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[01:29] <Fujitsu> I'm currently building 2.6.18 to see if it fixes some of my audio problems...
[01:29] <LaserJock> X even worked the first time ;-)
[01:29] <pygi> LaserJock: I had to chroot into my system to change users password, because the one I chosen on install wasn't correct :P
[01:29] <Fujitsu> It has some nice Intel HDA fixes.
[01:30] <tseng> intel hda fixes eh?
[01:30] <tseng> what problems, btw
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Applications attempting to access the microphone hang, I've only got PCM and Master mixers...
[01:31] <Fujitsu> (ICH6 is the chipset)
[01:33] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:33] <LaserJock> so maybe I should try hooking up my digital camera
[01:33] <Fujitsu> Why?
[01:33] <LaserJock> I've never tried it in Linux before
[01:34] <Fujitsu> Wow.
[01:34] <Fujitsu> Mine just appears as a USB Mass Storage device, so it works fine.
[01:34] <LaserJock> remember, I don't *actually* use my computer ;-)
[01:35] <pygi> night all
[01:35] <Fujitsu> See ya, pygi.
[01:36] <LaserJock> oh wow
[01:36] <LaserJock> it just pops up a window
[01:36] <LaserJock> "Import Photos", is that fspot?
[01:36] <Fujitsu> No, still gthumb.
[01:38] <Lathiat> i find the gthumb stuff works nice tho
[01:38] <Fujitsu> Lathiat, yeah, I don't use F-Spot.
[01:38] <LaserJock> I've never even seen an f-spot screenshot
[01:38] <LaserJock> man I need to get a life
[01:49] <LaserJock> wow, that was rather smooth
[01:49] <LaserJock> but than windows
[01:49] <LaserJock> Ubuntu stikes again
[01:49] <tseng> LaserJock: f-spot rules
[01:57] <ajmitch> hi
[01:57] <tseng> hi ajmitch
[01:57] <tseng> nice f-spot highlight
[01:57] <ajmitch> nah
[01:57] <ajmitch> I just came back
[02:00] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I just tried it for the first time
[02:00] <LaserJock> first time using my digital camera with linux
[02:00] <LaserJock> ver cool
[02:00] <LaserJock> *very
[02:00] <ajmitch> yeah, it's quite a useful program
[02:05] <minghua> are you guys talking about f-spot?
[02:05] <tseng> yes
[02:09] <LaserJock> I'm finally feeling like this laptop is a productive machine
[02:10] <LaserJock> grr, except I can't get rid of vmplayer
[02:10] <ajmitch> why can't you drop vmplayer?
[02:13] <LaserJock> prerm bails
[02:13] <ajmitch> ah
[02:14] <ajmitch> I thought you meant that you had to have it for windows or similar :)
[02:14] <zul> qualify software that vmware
[02:14] <ajmitch> heh
[02:15] <LaserJock> well, the prerm runs /etc/init.d/vmplayer stop
[02:15] <ajmitch> hack the prerm
[02:15] <LaserJock> which give fails on shutting down the virtual ethernet
[02:15] <LaserJock> s/give//
[02:16] <LaserJock> anyway, yeah, I'm going to hack the prerm
[02:17] <LaserJock> I don't even remember why I had vmplayer on here
[02:17] <imbrandon> fskin wonderfull, i think that 160 just died
[02:17] <imbrandon> just what i needed
[02:17] <LaserJock> hard drive?
[02:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: sounds about right
[02:17] <imbrandon> yea
[02:17] <Fujitsu> The one giving the SMART error?
[02:17] <imbrandon> yup
[02:18] <Fujitsu> ... you hadn't replaced it yet?
[02:18] <imbrandon> dude i have no cash atm ( not for that anyhow )
[02:18] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK.
[02:18] <imbrandon> great, looks like i'm stuck on my lappy for a while ;(
[02:19] <imbrandon> i have all the data , thats no biggie, its just no hdd in that computer now ;(
[02:21] <imbrandon> heh anyone wanna buy an ipod , or trade for a new sata drive ? hehe
[02:21] <crimsun> imbrandon: cf. query.
[02:22] <LaserJock> "Sorry, the program "f-spot.exe" closed unexpectedly." - oops :-)
[02:23] <zul> heh i think we are having a girl, it just moved when my wife mentioned the word shopping
[02:23] <LaserJock> hahaha
[02:33] <LaserJock> anybody got a sid chroot/box?
[02:34] <zul> i use to
[02:34] <tseng> i do on the other pc
[02:34] <tseng> but i cant be arsed to get up
[02:34] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes
[02:35] <LaserJock> ajmitch: can you madison if gnome-chemistry-utils
[02:36] <ajmitch> let me update first
[02:36] <zul> heh better ask later then ;)
[02:37] <ajmitch> :P
[02:45] <minghua> LaserJock: I don't think gnome-chemistry-utils is in debian
[02:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:46] <LaserJock> you'd think I would know these things better
[02:46] <minghua> I don't have deb-src in sources.list, but my "apt-cache madison gchemutils" shows nothing
[02:46] <LaserJock> since I'm part of the group maintaining it
[02:47] <LaserJock> well, I thought it was supposed to be in Debian now but I couldn't find it in NEW
[02:47] <LaserJock> so I thought maybe packages.debian.org just hadn't synced or something
[02:48] <minghua> LaserJock: check http://<your-favorite-mirror>/debian/pool/main/g/
[02:48] <minghua> and mine doesn't have gnome-chemistry-utils there
[02:49] <LaserJock> hm, ok
[02:49] <LaserJock> I guess maybe azeem hasn't uploaded it yet
[02:49] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, it's in NEW.
[02:49] <Fujitsu> Or it was two days ago..
[02:52] <LaserJock> oh
[02:52] <LaserJock> Debian NEW?
[02:53] <Fujitsu> Yes, that's what I meant.
[02:53] <Fujitsu> I believe there was a dependency issue with putting 0.6.0 in Ubuntu.
[02:54] <LaserJock> yeah, goffice I think
[02:54] <Fujitsu> Yep, that's the one.
[03:11] <Lathiat> sweet beryl+aiglx with nvidia twinview now does dual head properly
[03:11] <Lathiat> makes it usable
[03:28] <LaserJock> ok, stupid question
[03:29] <LaserJock> can I resend a message in Mutt?
[03:29] <LaserJock> I messed up the To: address accidently on a lengthy email
[03:31] <zul> bounce isnt it?
[03:32] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee...
[03:32] <Fujitsu> That NZ guy has been back this morning, twice.
[03:32] <zul> hey Hobbsee
[03:33] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu, zul
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: great....
[03:33] <Fujitsu> His hostmask is always something like:
[03:33] <Hobbsee> why didnt someone ban him?
[03:33] <Fujitsu> Wonton@219-89-*-*.dialup.xtra.co.nz
[03:33] <Fujitsu> Who knows.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:34] <Fujitsu> Banning the entire subnet can't really be done, but by username as well should work.
[03:34] <Fujitsu> +d?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> real name ban
[03:34] <Hobbsee> only problem is that i dont remember how to put it in
[03:34] <Fujitsu> `Rootbeer' has been his real name on the past couple of occasions.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: remember what his last nickname was?
[03:37] <Fujitsu> ZigGaag.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hmmm, yeah
[03:38] <Fujitsu> Before that was BloaSE.
[04:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon: heh, nice post
[04:12] <imbrandon> LaserJock: heh , thanks, real thanks to the kind souls ;)
[04:13] <tseng> hello dudes
[04:13] <imbrandon> heya tseng
[04:13] <ajmitch> hi tseng
[04:13] <ajmitch> imbrandon: lucky chap
[04:14] <imbrandon> yea no doubt, very !
[04:14] <tseng> imbrandon: woo new drive
[04:14] <ajmitch> good thing I'd replaced my 160GB drive just before mine died
[04:15] <imbrandon> oh man i just thought about something , the only thing i DIDENT have backed up was the ssh key
[04:15] <imbrandon> crap, can you remove that from tiber please ajmitch
[04:16] <ajmitch> I suppose I can
[04:16] <imbrandon> many thanks
[04:16] <ajmitch> cleared
[04:16] <imbrandon> cool thanks
[04:21] <imbrandon> heh you know the funny part is my laptop ( the machine i'll be on the next while ) is gnome
[04:21] <imbrandon> heh
[04:23] <ajmitch> it's a sign
[04:23] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:39] <Toadstool> heya everybody !
[04:44] <LaserJock> hi Toadstool
[04:44] <Toadstool> hey LaserJock
[04:47] <Toadstool> crap... now my wifi chip can associate with the AP but I can't get a dhcp lease :/ let's try with a fixed config
[04:47] <Toadstool> (and welcome to Toadstool's BroadCom adventures...)
[04:52] <Plug> Can I leave a patch in the patches dir for dapper, even if I'm building for edgy, to make backporting easier?
[04:52] <Plug> (but not in the 00list, f.ex)
[04:52] <ajmitch> sure
[04:55] <LaserJock> darn it, I hate it when I start working on one machine when I was supposed to be working on another
[04:59] <Plug> ajmitch: if you've uploaded -0ubuntu1, do I now need to increment version #s ?
[05:00] <ajmitch> yes
[05:06] <imbrandon> hum ubuntu should have a usplash correct ?
[05:06] <imbrandon> e.g. not the test card
[05:07] <imbrandon> for some reason i still have the test card on my laptop usplash
[05:41] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Wow thats so cool, and very kind of that person to do so.
[05:45] <imbrandon> yea it was super cool
[05:45] <imbrandon> s/was/is
[05:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:54] <TheMuso> Hows the ppc cross-compilation coming? Or was that on your dead server?
[05:59] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I think it still might have the test, at least I think mine does
[06:00] <imbrandon> LaserJock, test ?
[06:00] <LaserJock> usplash
[06:00] <imbrandon> TheMuso, it was on the dead server , but fortunately i know how i did it and am writing it up now
[06:01] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ahh ok
[06:01] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Did you get that compilation problem solved?
[06:01] <TheMuso> Cool. Looking forward to it.
[06:01] <imbrandon> TheMuso, i should have a rudimentry howto in a hour or so
[06:01] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yup yup
[06:01] <TheMuso> Nice.
[06:01] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yea most of it was dep issues
[06:01] <LaserJock> imbrandon: btw, I think I've been Thunderbird free for a whole week ;-)
[06:02] <imbrandon> LaserJock, nice ;)
[06:02] <imbrandon> one sec i'm gonna grab a bite to eat
[06:12] <rmjb> hey guys... what package should I file a bug against if my virtual consoles are wack?
[06:29] <imbrandon> re
[06:32] <imbrandon> heya jldugger
[06:33] <jldugger> hey
[06:33] <jldugger> i just installed knot 3
[06:33] <imbrandon> cool , updated to beta ? heh
[06:33] <jldugger> ?
[06:34] <jldugger> i did a dist-upgrade afterwards
[06:34] <imbrandon> beta was just released days ago, yup dist upgrade will do it
[06:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:34] <jldugger> some oddities
[06:34] <imbrandon> moins Burgundavia
[06:34] <jldugger> like the fn keys dont work
[06:34] <imbrandon> hum
[06:34] <Burgundavia> hey imbrandon
[06:35] <imbrandon> laptop or deskrop ?
[06:35] <Burgundavia> finally home
[06:35] <imbrandon> and kde or gnome
[06:35] <jldugger> laptop
[06:35] <jldugger> wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraM7
[06:35] <jldugger> im still working down the edgy list
[06:35] <imbrandon> Burgundavia, nice, probably good from being on the road, how was ohio ?
[06:35] <Burgundavia> colorado
[06:36] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:36] <Burgundavia> 1 - 100 of 1515
[06:36] <imbrandon> my mistake i thought you were in ohio too
[06:36] <Burgundavia> that is my inbox
[06:36] <imbrandon> wow LOL
[06:36] <jldugger> my gmail inbox has like 4000, but 0 unread
[06:54] <tuxmaniac> Hello All. Should sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -u work?
[06:55] <tuxmaniac> for getting upgraded from 6.06 to 6.10
[06:55] <tuxmaniac> after changing sources.list
[06:55] <tuxmaniac> :)
[06:56] <tuxmaniac> Looks like xorg packages are not getting dowloaded :( But still let me wait till the download is done
[06:56] <tuxmaniac> I mean the upgrade
[07:04] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: update-manager -c -d is the preffered method I think
[07:11] <LaserJock> hah
[07:11] <NthDegree> did you say bitch?
[07:11] <NthDegree> :p
[07:11] <LaserJock> no
[07:11] <LaserJock> those are 2 different words ;-)
[07:12] <NthDegree> I swear by the end of this week I will have gotten either an edgy or dapper package submitted to universe
[07:12] <minghua> bitch: to complain and make unkind remarks about someone or something
[07:13] <minghua> so apparently I am using the right word :-)
[07:13] <NthDegree> bitch: female dog, like my pet Star ;-)
[07:13] <NthDegree> hehehe
[07:14] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock> hmm.. I have already got some 400 MB dowloaded. Can I now change the command?
[07:14] <minghua> and a pony, too :-)
[07:14] <LaserJock> tuxmaniac: sure, if you want
[07:14] <tuxmaniac> I mean abort it and type update-manager - -d
[07:14] <tuxmaniac> err -c
[07:14] <tuxmaniac> LaserJock> How did you guys do it?
[07:15] <LaserJock> do what?
[07:46] <NthDegree> i just noticed when i'm stupid it stays on the web for years to come lol
[07:47] <rmjb> hey, it's me again, going through the packaging guide. I've never used GPG before, is there a page in the guide or somewhere that talks about GPG for packagers? Creating, transporting, publishing, backing up and restoring keys?
[07:49] <minghua> rmjb: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[07:49] <rmjb> thanks minghua
[07:56] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu_: I found out why the access died. My roommates unplugged my desktop machine, thinking it was not needed as I was away
[07:56] <Fujitsu_> I thought it might have been something like that.
[07:56] <Burgundavia> we have 5 computers and a 4 port router
[07:56] <Fujitsu_> That would do it.
[08:01] <TheMuso> c
[10:03] <Q-FUNK> crimsun: thanks for the link on how to request a UVF. :)
[10:04] <crimsun> np
[10:07] <ajmitch> well, I have sound but not wireless :)
[10:12] <ajmitch> easy fix..
[10:15] <Q-FUNK> erm... in that line about making the diffstat, do they mean against the unpacked tarball?
[10:15] <ajmitch> afaik, yes
[10:16] <Q-FUNK> the current line makes it sound as if it was against the tarball itself.
[10:16] <ajmitch> I just unpack both into a clean directory & run diff against them
[10:16] <ajmitch> probably needs changed then
[10:16] <azeem> Laser_away: g-c-u got rejected because it used the deprecated mozilla-dev
[10:16] <Q-FUNK> ajmitch: needs an extra step:  "unpack both upstream tarballs, then run:"
[10:19] <Q-FUNK> here, I have never used diffstat and it never crossed my mind whether diff can parse inside tarballs.  hence my question.
[10:25] <Q-FUNK> about the line to include build logs, of the new one only or both?  I'd assume new since the old log is already on the buildd, but better be safe than sorry. :)
[10:29] <ajmitch> new one
[10:29] <ajmitch> since that's the only one you're testing to get in
[10:30] <ajmitch> what new upstream version are you trying to get in?
[10:32] <Q-FUNK> cups-pdf 2.4.2.  upstream ran his source thru "splint" and remove extraneous COPYING files.
[10:36] <Q-FUNK> otherwise, it's still the 2.4.1 codebase.
[12:02] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[12:03] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[12:03] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!!!
[12:03] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[12:03] <Fujitsu> And Hobbsee.
[12:04] <tseng> woo
[12:04] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch, Fujitsu
[12:04] <Hobbsee> hi tseng
[12:04] <imbrandon> heya Fujitsu
[12:25] <Adri2000> crimsun: ping
[12:39] <gnomefreak> will the screansavers be updated under gnome-screensavers or another package?
[12:50] <ajmitch> how annoying, I can't file a sync since it's not in the (debian) pool yet
[12:54] <minghua> in the "ping elmo to sync" days, I remember it's possible to sync from incoming?
[12:55] <ajmitch> yes
[12:55] <ajmitch> but this package (libnss-ldap) has moved on from incoming as well :)
[12:55] <minghua> oh I see
[12:56] <ajmitch> I'm not entirely sure why it's not on ftp.d.o yet in that case
[12:56] <minghua> the mysterious "on the way from incoming to archive" status
[12:56] <ajmitch> yes
[12:56] <ajmitch> very irritating
[12:56] <minghua> I've heard about that before, never know what it really is
[12:56] <ajmitch> a source of annoyance :)
[01:09] <sivang> do we have a top level meta package for an ubuntu-server ?
[01:09] <sivang> or is it essentiall ubuntu-minimal ?
[01:10] <lupine_85> !info ubuntu-server
[01:10] <ubotu> Package ubuntu-server does not exist in any distro I know
[01:10] <lupine_85> bah, i'm sure that used to exist
[01:11] <sivang> yep, that is what I was aiming at
[01:11] <sivang> seems to have vanished or removed
[01:13] <lupine_85> there's edubuntu-server still
[01:13] <lupine_85> very strange
[01:13] <lupine_85> !server
[01:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments. The default install includes a server kernel and no GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current stable version is 6.06 LTS. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/
[02:40] <AnAnt> how can I regenerate the splash screen ?
[02:43] <welshbyte> good afternoon
[02:49] <AnAnt> how do I this test [ "$1" == "text ]  in dash ?
[02:49] <AnAnt> :s/"text/"text"
[02:51] <minghua> that should work in dash AFAIK
[02:51] <AnAnt> I get: == unexpected operator !
[02:52] <minghua> oh I missed that
[02:52] <minghua> use = instead
[02:54] <AnAnt> minghua: thanks!
[02:54] <AnAnt> minghua: btw, you got an idea how to regenerate the splash screen ?
[02:54] <minghua> AnAnt: sorry, no idea at all
[02:55] <AnAnt> k
[02:58] <AnAnt> if $VAR is "foo bar ...
[02:58] <AnAnt> if $VAR is "foo bar ...", how can I set $VAR1 to be "foo" ?
[03:11] <lastnode> $VAR1=`expr substr "$VAR" 1 3`
[03:11] <lastnode> er, nvm
[03:14] <fbond> AnAnt:VAR=$(echo $VAR | sed 's/\([^ ] *\) .*/\1/') should do it
[03:14] <fbond> or even easier:
[03:14] <fbond> VAR=$(echo $VAR | awk '{ print $1 }')
[03:16] <lastnode> fbond, he /parted
[03:20] <fbond> oh
[03:34] <Q-FUNK> slomo: thanks!
[03:35] <slomo> Q-FUNK: for...? what did i do? :)
[03:38] <slomo> Q-FUNK: ah, cups-pdf? np :)
[05:52] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:54] <lfittl> hey bddebian
[05:54] <bddebian> Hi lfittl
[05:57] <welshbyte> hey bddebian
[05:58] <bddebian> Heya welshbyte.  Whatcha been up to?
[05:58] <welshbyte> too much stuff :/
[05:59] <welshbyte> helping people move out, helping people move in, preparing for the new university year, being a computer society treasurer, helping out in fresher's week, signing up new members, fixing servers... etc.
[06:01] <bddebian> pfft, no Ubuntu work? ;-P
[06:01] <tseng> pfft, bddebian
[06:01] <tseng> he doesnt do ubuntu stuff
[06:02] <bddebian> He used to :)
[06:02] <bddebian> Or do you mean I don't?
[06:02] <tseng> I don't mean anything really
[06:03] <bddebian> suuuure :-)
[06:07] <jdong> bddebian: (azureus) hi (azureus). How (azureus) are you (azureus) doing today? (azureus)(azureus)(azureus)(azureus)(azureus)
[06:07] <jdong> bddebian: no, there's no subliminal messaging at work here :)
[06:08] <bddebian> haha, hi jdong
[06:08] <jdong> :)
[06:09] <jdong> grr, pdebuild doesn't work with democracyplayer....
[06:09] <jdong> somehow building a *source* archive generates pyc files
[06:12] <bddebian> What's wrong with that?
[06:12] <tseng> and why would you build a source package with pdebuild
[06:14] <jdong> bddebian: what's wrong with that is that debdiff doesn't like binaries :)
[06:14] <bddebian> Oh, maybe I misunderstood that sentence
[06:14] <tseng> you did
[06:14] <tseng> :D
[06:15] <slomo> what's democracyplayer?
[06:15] <tseng> yeah i hear about it all the time
[06:15] <jdong> slomo: some web 2.0 media player type of thing
[06:15] <tseng> it looks just like totem
[06:15] <tseng> oh
[06:15] <jdong> it has a built in torrenter
[06:16] <jdong> I guess its media is distributed via bittorrent
[06:16] <slomo> totem + torrent client = web 2.0? :)
[06:16] <slomo> do you have an url?
[06:16] <jdong> tseng: pdebuild is a nice and lazy way of sending sources off to pbuilder after mangling the changelog for backporting :)
[06:16] <tseng> well debuild -S will do just fine for sources
[06:17] <jdong> tseng: also fails :)
[06:18] <jdong> tseng: pyc's are made by the build script, which debdiff can't represent
[06:18] <tseng> are you sure you had a clean source tree?
[06:18] <tseng> or something else is f'd
[06:18] <jdong> tseng: I just apt-get sourced it... I swear
[06:18] <jdong> tseng: I blame it on the package
[06:18] <tseng> ok then.
[06:18] <tseng> feel free to fix it in edgy
[06:24] <jdong>  -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer   -fexpensive-optimizations -fschedule-insns2 -ffast-math -finline-functions
[06:24] <jdong> now does that really make things any faster?
[06:25] <tseng> most of those make a bigger binary
[06:25] <jdong> exactly
[06:25] <tseng> more chance of cache miss
[06:25] <tseng> if you had a cache miss anyway
[06:25] <jdong> and longer compile times
[06:25] <tseng> its probably faster than before
[06:26] <slomo> jdong: it's inherited from xine... and -fomit-frame-pointer is the best thing for debugging stuff on x86...
[06:26] <tseng> slomo: haha
[06:26] <jdong> slomo: I'm sure -fomit-frame-pointer does wonders in the debugging department :)
[06:28] <jdong> democracyplayer, debian/rules, "rm -f portable/*.pyc" needs to be "find portable -name *.pyc -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f"
[06:28] <jdong> otherwise it misses subdirectory BitTornado/
[06:28] <jdong> would some kind MOTU soul with upload rights help me out? :)
[06:29] <slomo> jdong: does this use xine for playback?
[06:29] <jdong> slomo: I don't know... never used it
[06:29] <givre> Do people know how uuid are set ?
[06:29] <tseng> uuid of what?
[06:30] <givre> because i have some strange ones for my fat partition
[06:30] <givre> tseng: of device
[06:30] <tseng> i think you are talking about libvolumeid
[06:30] <tseng> from udev
[06:30] <givre> UUID=43C0-343B
[06:30] <jdong> givre: that looks like a typical DOS-style volume serial number to me
[06:30] <givre> it seams to be a bit short compare to normal uuid
[06:30] <jdong> what's wrong with it?
[06:31] <jdong> is this another case of longer is better?
[06:31] <jdong> well, my vol_id is 10 inches
[06:31] <tseng> oh jeez
[06:32] <givre> jdong: ok, my bad then
[06:32] <slomo> oh i guess on a system with a few million partitions it could easily break ;)
[06:33] <slomo> jdong: edgy and dapper xine are compatible iirc
[06:33] <jdong> slomo: ok, if you say so... I'll do some testing to figure out
[06:33] <jdong> would be nice if they were.... yay for properly working x264 :)
[06:35] <jdong> yeah, looks nice
[06:36] <jdong> damn do 1024 h264's use a lot of CPU
[06:37] <Shan> i have a question...
[06:37] <imbrandon> jdong, yes ( i thought i explained that a few days ago to you )
[06:38] <Shan> i'm interested in putting up a ubuntu mirror server in my country... whom do i contact / where can i get more info?
[06:38] <jdong> imbrandon: that won't stop me from complaining about it :)
[06:38] <imbrandon> Shan, one sec
[06:39] <Shan> sure
[06:40] <Shan> coulnd't get the info on the ubuntu site... where as other distro site's clearly state what to do to run a mirror
[06:40] <imbrandon> Shan, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+newmirror  and talk to the guys ( and gals ) in #ubuntu-mirror
[06:40] <slomo> jdong: with latest ffmpeg svn cpu usage of h264 became a lot better
[06:40] <jdong> cool
[06:40] <jdong> can't wait to see that benefit propagate down
[06:41] <Shan> thanks for the link. nobody is there on #ubuntu-mirror
[06:41] <imbrandon> hrm one sec
[06:41] <jdong> already vlc /win32 beats the crap out of quicktime in terms of CPU usage :)
[06:41] <imbrandon> ahh Shan #ubuntu-mirrors
[06:41] <imbrandon> my mistake
[06:42] <Shan> ok thanks
[06:42] <imbrandon> np
[06:42] <jdong> slomo: would you have any objections/concerns about a dapper backport of xine-lib + xine-extracodecs?
[06:42] <imbrandon> might be better to catch them durring the week , most will be idle now Shan
[06:43] <slomo> jdong: hm, don't use external ffmpeg for them... but otherwise it should be fine
[06:43] <jdong> slomo: it uses external ffmpeg by default, doesn't it? :-/
[06:44] <slomo> the package? yes... but dapper's ffmpeg is a bit... old
[06:46] <jdong> slomo: if it did build against dapper's ffmpeg, would there be any regressions compared to dapper's original libxine?
[06:46] <swj> anyone know whats going on with gnome-system-tools 2.15.5 and system-tools-backends 1.9.6 not installing?
[06:46] <slomo> jdong: no but i wouldn't be surprised
[08:00] <lucas> http://blog.ekiga.net/index.php?p=32
[08:00] <lucas> not really good press about edgy beta
[08:01] <azeem> lucas: seb128 has blogged a response already
[08:01] <lucas> ah, haven't found it
[08:02] <lucas> (found it)
[08:13] <Toadstool> good morning everybody
[08:58] <Lathiat> Does UVF affect new packages?
[08:58] <Lathiat> (ISTR it does but just want to check)
[08:58] <BazziR> yes
[08:58] <slomo> yes
[08:59] <Lathiat> ok cheers
[08:59] <Lathiat> can things be synced from experimental?
[08:59] <BazziR> slomo: you might be able to help me, should bugs with software currently not in ubuntu be rejected? (I suspect yes), but what should I tell the bug reporter? to contact upstream?
[09:00] <slomo> Lathiat: yes
[09:00] <slomo> BazziR: if it's software really not in ubuntu and the bug is not something in one of our libraries reject it and tell the reporter to contact upstream, yes
[09:01] <BazziR> it's about bug 63409
[09:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63409 in xorg-server "beryl-manager (under Dapper with ati radeon 9600) refuses after some time to obtain/refresh configuration changes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63409
[09:01] <Lathiat> yeh unofficial package
[09:01] <Lathiat> also woo at the tag list :)
[09:02] <slomo> BazziR: yes, reject
[09:02] <BazziR> done
[10:09] <ajmitch> morning
[10:09] <shawarma> ajmitch: good evening
[10:09] <ivoks> morning
[10:10] <Toadstool> hey ajmitch
[10:59] <rexbron> is there some one here who can re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring?
[10:59] <ajmitch> yes
[10:59] <rexbron> nice
[11:00] <Lathiat> ahh public holidays
[11:01] <Lathiat> i love it when these come around
[11:05] <rexbron> im curiouse, the wiki page does not state the web address so that we can log in and respond to comments, what is it ?
[11:06] <ajmitch> revu.tauware.de
[11:06] <Lathiat> http://revu.tauware.de
[11:06] <ajmitch> first link on the wiki page
[11:08] <rexbron> ty
[11:10] <lophyte> hey rexbron
[11:11] <rexbron> hey
[11:11] <lophyte> what's up?
[11:11] <rexbron> just got a package uploaded to revu
[11:11] <lophyte> cool
[11:11] <lophyte> what package?
[11:11] <rexbron> ksynaptics
[11:12] <rexbron> one of the error dialouges gave the wrong info to change your xorg.conf with
[11:12] <lophyte> ahh
[11:12] <rexbron> so i found out what the right stuff was
[11:12] <rexbron> tested that it worked
[11:12] <lophyte> I had my first package uploaded to universe a week or so ago
[11:13] <rexbron> basically use Option "SHMConfig" "on" of what was there before
[11:13] <rexbron> nice on the upload
[11:13] <rexbron> what was  it
[11:13] <lophyte> gaim-extendedprefs
[11:13] <lophyte> a gaim plugin
[11:13] <lophyte> I haven't found any more easy-fix packages yet
[11:14] <lophyte> brb, the woman is home
[11:20] <rexbron> lol
[11:25] <rexbron> umm, was the key-ring updated, cause im getting auto rejected for lack of uploading rights
[11:26] <ajmitch> it was
[11:26] <ajmitch> you are in the launchpad group, and your gpg key is on launchpad?
[11:27] <rexbron> Yep
[11:27] <rexbron> ill confirm
[11:27] <ajmitch> your name on lp?
[11:29] <ajmitch> rexbron: make sure you're uploading to revu, and not to ubuntu
[11:29] <rexbron> ill check that
[11:30] <rexbron> that was the problem
[11:31] <ajmitch> ok :)
[11:49] <crimsun> Adri2000: pong
[11:49] <Adri2000> crimsun: have you seen that in fact there are two different bugs in vlc?
[11:50] <crimsun> Adri2000: that's not obvious
[11:50] <crimsun> and in fact I'm fairly certain the earlier is related to the latter
[11:50] <crimsun> later, even
[11:51] <Adri2000> maybe, but as the crash is not reproducible, it won't be easy to know
[11:52] <crimsun> in e-mail conversation w/ Jean-Baptiste, the segfault is supposed to be fixed in 0928
[11:52] <crimsun> if it's not fixed in the backported fixes from 0925, I'll pull from 0928
[11:53] <crimsun> I spent six hours last night stripping cruft just to backport those fixes
[11:54] <Adri2000> ok