[04:20] <whurley> lionelp: yt? 
[04:29] <infinity> whurley: Didn't you say these machines were amd64 boxes?
[04:29] <infinity> whurley: If so, why are you running the i386 build, and the 386 kernels?
[04:30] <whurley> yes, they're amd boxes 
[04:30] <infinity> whurley: If you need the i386 build, at least consider installing "linux-k7" or "linux-686" on those boxes.
[04:30] <whurley> the amd64 stuff will not work on them...which is weird 
[04:30] <infinity> If you don't actually need a 32-bit system at all, you should be installing our amd64 build.
[04:31] <whurley> well, this is the goal. however no one has been able to get the AMD64 dapper or edgy running on these boxes 
[04:31] <infinity> Oh, neither the amd64 kernels NOR the 386 kernels work?  Cool.
[04:31] <whurley> sadly 
[04:31] <infinity> Definitely time to be filing bugs and spending more time trying to trace this with people like Ben.
[04:31] <whurley> do you think you could help me get them running. I've tried all of the boot options, etc. 
[04:32] <whurley> however, the only way to get dapper was to install 5.0 386 and then update 
[04:32] <infinity> I'm not an ACPI guru, so there's not much advice I can give you.
[04:32] <whurley> yeah the ACPI on/off/etc none of that has any effect sadly 
[04:33] <infinity> Well, it could just be a generic PCI bus-scanning issue, not ACPI-related per se.
[04:37] <infinity> You could try with "pci=biosirq", perhaps.
[04:38] <infinity> And/or pci=noacpi
[04:39] <whurley> will do 
[04:39] <whurley> I'll try them now
[04:39] <whurley> brb 
[04:43] <whurley> infinity: sadly, those produced the same results 
[04:44] <whurley> infinity: surely someone knows how to make this work 
[06:24] <MaD_MaX> Hi all.
[06:25] <MaD_MaX> Is there any one who can answer my q>
[06:25] <MaD_MaX> ?
[07:23] <bcarlson> anyone in here?
[10:48] <porkpie> hi can anyone here point me to a doc that tells me how to build ubuntu server with xfs instead of ext3
[11:22] <porkpie> guy is it possible to build ubuntu server with xfs from the install or do you have to change it afterwards ...I am struggling here to find an option when installing.  All I only need an 8GB partition but I can't do that either  ...ver 6.0.1 ..alternative CD
[11:23] <porkpie> guys is it possible to build ubuntu server with xfs from the install or do you have to change it afterwards ...I am struggling here to find an option when installing.  All I only need an 8GB partition but I can't do that either  ...ver 6.0.1 ..alternative CD
[11:23] <infinity> The partitioner lets you select the filesystem types.
[11:31] <porkpie> infinity:I can't seem to find these options ...I am new to ubuntu ...normally I use freebsd.   I am building a xen server.  We are using a new Dell 1950 with 2 dual core 3.0ghz,  I am also running hardware raid one.  Just tried a basic install and it faild with an grub error 21??
[11:38] <porkpie> infinity:is there a doc on how to use the partition tool ..... this is my Device to partition that has been detected /dev/sda: scsi1 (0,0,0) sda -146GB /dev/sdb: scsi1 (0,1,0) (sdb) -146GB /dev/sdc: scsi1 (2,0,0) (sdc) -146 GB   sdc is the raid1 logical drive the other 2 are the phyical drives ....I am not sure where I should install ubuntu on to ...
[11:44] <porkpie> infinity:I have found the options 
[11:46] <porkpie> Anyone here have any ideas why a Dell power edge 1950 will not reboot when the terminal signal is sent ??
[11:56] <porkpie> infinity:how do you just install the base OS ....it's installing at the moment but it seems to be install all of the packages ??
[11:57] <infinity> Define "all of the packages"... The server install is pretty minimal.
[11:58] <porkpie> infinity:I think the count was about 800
[11:58] <infinity> Are you using the server CD?
[11:58] <infinity> You're not, are you?  You're installing from the Alternate CD, which is installing a complete desktop system.
[11:59] <infinity> You can boot the alternate CD with a "server" command line option, which will do more-or-less the same thing as the server CD (except won't install a server kernel out of the box)
[12:00] <porkpie> infinity:Yeah ...shit ....I will rebuild it once it has finished with the server cd not the alternative ...I was advised to use the alternative cd but the ubuntu channel :(
[12:01] <porkpie> Also these a 64bit cpu's is it correct to use the 64amd server cd ..they a xeon processors
[12:02] <porkpie> The system hangs when I do a ctrl alt delete ....just sits there saying please stand by while rebooting the system ???
[12:03] <infinity> Our amd64 stuff does support Xeon boxes, sure, though P4-based Xeons aren't stellar performers in 64-bit, so you may want to try the i386 build.  Up to you, though.
[12:04] <porkpie> infinity:these are dual core's   we want to use the VT technology 
[12:17] <porkpie> infinity:2 of these Dual Core Intel Xeon 5150, 4MB Cache, 2.66GHz, 1333MHz FSB
[12:28] <porkpie> infinity:would this be the same for the latest iso ? Alt+F2
[12:28] <porkpie> chroot /target
[12:28] <porkpie> echo "megaraid_sas" >> /etc/mkinitramfs/modules
[12:28] <porkpie> mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-23-server 2.6.15-23-server
[12:28] <porkpie> exit
[12:28] <porkpie> Alt+F1
[12:28] <porkpie> infinity:the initrd.img name ?
[12:30] <infinity> Looks fine to me...
[12:31] <infinity> Though if you already have an initrd, "update-initramfs -k 2.6.15-23-server" is a slightly friendlier way to make sure it's all done right.
[12:31] <infinity> (And you should already have one if the kernel got installed correctly)
[12:33] <porkpie> OK ...I am having to reinstall again ...so do I just run the command you have posted ?
[12:36] <infinity> Well, after adding megaraid_sas to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, yeah.
[12:39] <porkpie> cool thanks
[12:41] <porkpie> I take it I don't use the ""
[12:42] <infinity> Yeah.
[12:49] <porkpie> infinity:the initrd.img name will be the same for a amd64 iso ....I am not using the i386 iso
[12:52] <porkpie> infinity:this may sound a bit stupid ...but when setting up the partitions do I need to flag one as bootable or will the install do it it's self ?
[12:52] <infinity> The installer won't mark one bootable if you're doing manual partitioning, no.  Do it yourself.
[12:53] <porkpie> thats what I thought ....it is only installing lilo not grub ?
[12:54] <infinity> ?
[12:54] <infinity> The installer will install grub by default, and unless you have a good reason to not want it, I suggest you let it.
[12:54] <porkpie> shit ....I am going mad here ....sorry
[01:05] <porkpie> infinity:I get the error cannot find  /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-server
[01:06] <porkpie> ah ..it should be amd64
[01:09] <porkpie> infinity:the update command doesn't like the -k
[01:10] <porkpie> I have to specify either -c -u or -d ??
[01:10] <porkpie> -u
[01:10] <infinity> Oh, yeah.  Sorry.
[01:10] <infinity> update-initramfs -u -k (versoin)
[01:10] <porkpie> it should -u
[01:12] <porkpie> OK ....lets see if it works :)
[01:16] <porkpie> eek ... well I think it's broke ... L 010101010101010101010010101010100101 all over the screen ???
[01:17] <porkpie> infinity:any ideas ??
[01:18] <porkpie> do you think it's the amd kernel 
[01:19] <infinity> Erm, I think you used LILO.
[01:19] <infinity> Re-run lilo after you've updated your initramfs.
[01:19] <infinity> Otherwise, it can't find it.  Cause LILO's retarded.
[01:19] <infinity> What was your reson for not using grub? :)
[01:20] <porkpie> None ....it just doesn't install
[01:20] <porkpie> I don't see it installing ....I only get a lilo option 
[01:20] <infinity> Oh, grub might not support /boot on XFS, so the installer might be trying to be smart and picks lilo for you.
[01:21] <porkpie> ah ....so xfs is the problem 
[01:21] <infinity> So, I guess you could either suffer with lilo (and remember to re-run it after every initramfs update), or repartition with a small (100 MB or so) ext3 /boot
[01:22] <porkpie> So run /boot on ext3 and the os on xfs
[01:22] <porkpie> I will then get the xfs speeds 
[01:23] <infinity> That's the theory, yeah.
[01:23] <porkpie> Cool  ...I will try it now
[01:25] <porkpie> will boot be primary or logical ...
[01:26] <porkpie> fuck my brain will not work today 
[01:27] <infinity> Best to make it a primary partition at the beggining of the drive.
[01:27] <infinity> Then whatever you want for the rest.
[01:31] <porkpie> it's going for it  :)
[01:41] <porkpie> infinity:just rebooting  .....lets see what happens now ...grub installed OK this time
[01:43] <porkpie> Dam GRUB Loading, please wait error 21 :(
[01:49] <porkpie> infinity: do you have any ideas on this one ....it looks like grub has a problem with the block size or it can't find the drive
[02:02] <Jacob_> Hi - I've got a quick question about partitioning. Google didn't seem to have an answer, so I'm trying here ;o) Why is 5% reserved for the super user when you create a partition ? If you have a partition of 200G you lose 10G!! :o(
[02:11] <infinity> You can change that with tune2fs.
[02:13] <Jacob_> Cool... But what's the point of the reserved blocks ?
[02:13] <Jacob_> What are they used for ?
[02:17] <porkpie> infinity:any ideas on the grub error 21
[02:22] <porkpie> infinity:I am going nuts here ....I can't workout what is wrong
[02:23] <porkpie> shall I create 1 4GB partition for the unbuntu and then install LVM on the free space and then xfs 
[02:24] <Jacob_> Nevermind... I found the answer. On data partitions the five percent is lost space ;o)
[02:37] <infinity> porkpie: Error 21 means it's mapping the disks wrong.  Disagreeing with the BIOS about what order your disks come in.
[04:02] <porkpie> infinity:the error 21 ... I am running hardware raid 1 ..so I am not sure why grub is getting confiused
[04:18] <stephans> hello?
[05:25] <JB[away] > hi
[08:05] <porkpie> join grub
[08:15] <ivoks> ummm...
[08:15] <ivoks> am i missing something, or we don't compile portmap with tcp_wrappers
[08:16] <porkpie> ivoks:do you know if ubuntu 6.0.6 LTS amd64 has the correct driver for the PERC 5/i This is a rebranded LSI Logic MegaRAID card, megaraid_sas driver ?
[08:17] <ivoks> define correct driver?
[08:18] <ivoks> it does have megaraid driver
[08:18] <ivoks> it does have megaraid_sas too
[08:19] <porkpie> we I am trying to install 6.06 amd64 distro on a Dell Power edge 1950 but it keeps failing with grub is loading please wait Error 21
[08:19] <ivoks> (fwiw; i am missing something; we do compile it)
[08:20] <ivoks> porkpie: hm
[08:20] <porkpie> Hmm! ...I have tried to build this thing 15 times
[08:20] <ivoks> porkpie: it has intel xeon proc, doesn't it?
[08:20] <porkpie> yep dual core 
[08:21] <ivoks> so, you installed it but can start it?
[08:21] <porkpie> xeon dual core with VT we want to use it for xen 
[08:21] <ivoks> s/can/can't
[08:21] <porkpie> Corret
[08:21] <porkpie> correct
[08:22] <porkpie> ivoks:if you could help .....I would much appreciate it ....I will buy you a few beers :)
[08:22] <ivoks> so, kernel boots and fails or grub fails?
[08:23] <porkpie> Yep ....I have tried to load the driver into the initramfs but that still fails
[08:23] <ivoks> so kernel fails? :)
[08:23] <porkpie> Seems that way
[08:23] <ivoks> ok, let me see
[08:24] <porkpie> I have tried this echo "megaraid_sas" >> /etc/mkinitramfs/modules
[08:24] <porkpie> update-initramfs -u
[08:25] <ivoks> well, this is the thing
[08:25] <ivoks> megaraid_sas isn't included in kernel
[08:25] <ivoks> errr... initrd
[08:26] <ivoks> you should boot rescue option
[08:26] <ivoks> from install CD
[08:26] <porkpie> OK ...I can try that now
[08:27] <ivoks> you need ubuntu-server install cd
[08:27] <porkpie> I have it here
[08:27] <ivoks> boot from it and choose rescue option
[08:28] <porkpie> OK doing it now
[08:29] <porkpie> OK   ...done that ...I am at the  language option screen
[08:29] <ivoks> just go all the way...
[08:31] <porkpie> OK ...I am at entre rescue mode
[08:31] <porkpie> device to use as root file system
[08:31] <porkpie> ?
[08:32] <ivoks> well, choose the one which you have formated as /
[08:32] <porkpie> I have 13 options 
[08:32] <porkpie> shit  ..
[08:32] <ivoks> 13?
[08:32] <ivoks> you have 13 partitions on your disk?
[08:33] <porkpie> no only 3
[08:33] <ivoks> so, what are the options? sda1, sda2, sda3...?
[08:33] <porkpie> '/dev/discs/disc0/part6'
[08:34] <ivoks> ah...
[08:34] <ivoks> by the way, if you enter 'dell power edge 1950' in google, the very first link ofers a solution
[08:35] <porkpie> I have a /dev/vg1/lv1  which is the LVM I setup
[08:35] <ivoks> well, choose the one you formated as '/'... i can't tell which one is that, you should know that
[08:36] <porkpie> it's not there
[08:36] <porkpie> ??
[08:36] <ivoks> you did a lvm install?
[08:37] <porkpie> Yep
[08:37] <ivoks> i've never tested rescue mode with lvm :/
[08:37] <porkpie> Do you think it installed correctly 
[08:37] <ivoks> would it be a trouble to install it again?
[08:38] <ivoks> since we don't know what's /  :)
[08:38] <porkpie> No problem
[08:38] <ivoks> porkpie: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1329855&postcount=9
[08:38] <ivoks> open that page
[08:38] <ivoks> that's a solution
[08:39] <porkpie> ivoks:I have done this 
[08:40] <ivoks> i doubt that
[08:40] <porkpie> we have tried this 5 times
[08:40] <ivoks> you probablly didn't do it correctly
[08:40] <ivoks> mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-23-server 2.6.15-23-server
[08:40] <ivoks> will solve the problem
[08:41] <ivoks> with echoing megaraid_sas in /etc/mkinitramfs/modules, before that
[08:41] <ivoks> oh, wait...
[08:41] <ivoks> you have 6.06.1?
[08:42] <ivoks> if you have 6.06.1, then it's:
[08:43] <ivoks> mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-24-server 2.6.15-24-server
[08:43] <porkpie> hmm! I am using the amd64
[08:43] <ivoks> then it's:
[08:44] <porkpie> it uses 2.6.15-26-amd64-server
[08:44] <ivoks> mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-amd64-server 2.6.15-26-amd64-server
[08:44] <porkpie> ivoks:beleive me I have done this 5 times
[08:45] <ivoks> edit grub entry and remove splash and quiet, and boot it
[08:46] <ivoks> you can do that from grub, you don't have to rescue the system
[08:46] <porkpie> ivoks:can I do this from rescue mode ?
[08:46] <ivoks> just remove CD, boot your computer, press Esc when grub tells you to do that
[08:47] <ivoks> then highlight your kernel on the list and press e
[08:47] <ivoks> move to line 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz....' press e again
[08:47] <ivoks> delete splash and quiet, press enter and then b
[08:48] <porkpie> OK just booting
[08:49] <porkpie> All I get is Grub loading stage1.5 then it fails with GRUB Loading, please wait Error 21:(
[08:49] <porkpie> I don't get to esc
[08:50] <porkpie> I not seeing the drive
[08:51] <ivoks> ok...
[08:51] <ivoks> you created lvm partitions?
[08:51] <ivoks> did you create non-lvm /boot partition?
[08:51] <ivoks> grub can't boot from lvm
[08:51] <porkpie> yes
[08:52] <porkpie> I am going to rebuild without LVM and see if it works
[08:53] <ivoks> how big is that raid?
[08:53] <ivoks> is it over 2TB?
[08:53] <porkpie> 146GB
[08:53] <porkpie> no
[08:53] <ivoks> hm...
[08:54] <porkpie> Not aTB
[08:54] <porkpie> maybe I have created the LVM wrong
[08:54] <ivoks> if you are doing reinstall
[08:54] <porkpie> I am now
[08:55] <ivoks> be sure to delete LVM volumes and groups before you delete partitions
[08:55] <porkpie> OK
[08:55] <ivoks> so, when partitioner starts, go directly to lvm managment and delete volumes first, then groups
[08:57] <porkpie> OK that done ...I now have 146.2GB free
[08:58] <porkpie> I am going to create a / partion and swap partition   
[08:58] <ivoks> create one simple / partition and swap just for testing
[09:00] <porkpie> OK ...that done
[09:00] <porkpie> just setting clock :)
[09:00] <porkpie> installing base system
[09:00] <ivoks> after the base system is installed, press alt+f2
[09:01] <ivoks> and chroot /target
[09:01] <ivoks> well, you know the drill :)
[09:01] <porkpie> should it be chroot /target/
[09:02] <porkpie> it fails if you do chroot /target
[09:03] <ivoks> is instalation finished?
[09:03] <porkpie> just finidhing
[09:03] <porkpie> finishing
[09:04] <porkpie> configuring evms
[09:04] <ivoks> wait for it to unload CD
[09:05] <porkpie> OK I am in the console
[09:05] <ivoks> chroot /target
[09:06] <ivoks> echo "megaraid_sas" >> /etc/mkinitramfs/modules
[09:06] <ivoks> check it (cat /etc/mkinitramfs/modules)
[09:06] <porkpie> it's there
[09:07] <JB[away] > have anyone packages for apache2.2 ?
[09:07] <ivoks> mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` `uname -r`
[09:08] <porkpie> do I need the `
[09:08] <ivoks> yes
[09:09] <porkpie> OK cannot find  /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-amd64-generic
[09:09] <ivoks> so, what is there in /lib/modules?
[09:10] <ivoks> errr....
[09:10] <ivoks> generic
[09:10] <ivoks> it should've been -server
[09:10] <porkpie> '/lib/modules/2.6.15-26-amd64-server
[09:10] <porkpie> yeah
[09:10] <ivoks> ok, my bad
[09:10] <ivoks> mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-amd64-server 2.6.15-26-amd64-server
[09:12] <porkpie> OK thts done
[09:12] <porkpie> now exit
[09:12] <ivoks> check it
[09:12] <porkpie> how do I checl it
[09:12] <porkpie> check it ?
[09:12] <ivoks> exit the chroot
[09:12] <porkpie> exit
[09:12] <ivoks> or, even better
[09:12] <ivoks> stay in chroot
[09:12] <ivoks> co, chroot /target
[09:12] <ivoks> cd /tmp
[09:13] <ivoks> mkdir temp
[09:13] <ivoks> cd temp
[09:13] <ivoks> cp /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-amd64-server initrd.gz
[09:13] <ivoks> gunzip initrd.gz
[09:13] <ivoks> cpio -i < initrd
[09:13] <ivoks> ls -dl lib/modules/2.6.15-26-amd64-server/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid/megaraid_sas.ko
[09:15] <ivoks> is it there?
[09:16] <porkpie> no such file or dir 
[09:16] <porkpie> I am check the syntax
[09:16] <ivoks> is there
[09:16] <ivoks> ls -dl lib/modules/2.6.15-26-amd64-server/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid ?
[09:17] <porkpie> yep
[09:17] <ivoks> cd into it
[09:17] <ivoks> no megaraid_sas in it?
[09:18] <porkpie> it's there
[09:18] <ivoks> ok then
[09:18] <ivoks> exit
[09:18] <ivoks> umount /target
[09:18] <ivoks> finish installation
[09:18] <ivoks> that is, reboot
[09:19] <porkpie> let see ...it rebooting
[09:20] <porkpie> same error
[09:21] <ivoks> hm
[09:21] <ivoks> except disks connected to raid, do you have any other disk in that computer?
[09:21] <porkpie> no
[09:21] <ivoks> error 21?
[09:21] <porkpie> yep
[09:22] <ivoks> This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system.
[09:22] <porkpie> I have been going round in circles  ....
[09:23] <ivoks> you can allways try with lilo
[09:23] <porkpie> ivoks:but xen requires grub
[09:23] <ivoks> ah... right
[09:23] <ivoks> http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-support/2005-March/026477.html
[09:24] <porkpie> eh! 
[09:24] <porkpie> Hmm! how can that be
[09:25] <porkpie> the grub install did not ask for the MBR
[09:25] <ivoks> it allways install in mbr
[09:25] <ivoks> that's irrelevant
[09:25] <ivoks> check your bios settings
[09:26] <porkpie> check now
[09:28] <ivoks> check with raid controller if it has some 'bootable' option for disks
[09:28] <porkpie> hmm! embedded SATA is off ...not sure about that
[09:29] <ivoks> well, you are not using embedded sata
[09:29] <porkpie> I have nothing else in the bios
[09:30] <ivoks> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2003-02/msg00082.html
[09:30] <ivoks> boot a rescue again
[09:30] <porkpie> OK
[09:31] <ivoks> what filesystem is /?
[09:31] <porkpie> ext3
[09:33] <porkpie> Something strange here ....I have the /dev/discs/disco0/part1 again ...only 6 this time ???
[09:34] <porkpie> I have selected the top option
[09:34] <porkpie> enter rescue mode
[09:34] <ivoks> cat /boot/grub/device.list
[09:34] <ivoks> device.map
[09:35] <ivoks> sorry
[09:35] <porkpie> I need to enter a shell first ?
[09:35] <porkpie> OK ...I at the shell command
[09:36] <ivoks> if you selected first option, then installer chrooted you on that partition
[09:37] <porkpie> hd0 /dev/sda hd1 /dev/sdb hd2 /dev/sdc
[09:37] <ivoks> so, you have three disks
[09:38] <ivoks> ?
[09:38] <porkpie> when I create the partion I created it on the sdc .....I no what the problem .is now .....I should have selected sda
[09:39] <ivoks> wait a second...
[09:39] <ivoks> are you planing to create a raid with those disks or not?
[09:39] <porkpie> I have 2 disks and 1 raid controller ...I am running hardware raid 1
[09:39] <porkpie> It's running raid 1
[09:40] <ivoks> so, if that's hardware raid, linux should see only one disk - sda
[09:40] <porkpie> yep
[09:40] <ivoks> if it's fakeraid... then everything is possible
[09:41] <ivoks> in /dev/discs
[09:42] <ivoks> how many discs are there?
[09:42] <porkpie> not such dir
[09:43] <ivoks> ok, then ls -dl /dev/sd*
[09:43] <porkpie> it goes up to disk 8
[09:44] <ivoks> but, is there sda1?
[09:44] <porkpie> shit the system has hung
[09:44] <ivoks> heh
[09:44] <porkpie> need to reboot
[09:44] <ivoks> tell me the name of that raid controller
[09:45] <porkpie> PERC 5/i Integrated
[09:46] <ivoks> that's onboard controller?
[09:46] <porkpie> I think you are correct
[09:46] <porkpie> yeah
[09:47] <ivoks> omg
[09:47] <ivoks> that's not hardware raid
[09:47] <porkpie> That what they sell it as 
[09:47] <ivoks> that's fakeraid
[09:47] <porkpie> Blast
[09:48] <ivoks> my advice would be to kill all RAID fetures on that controller
[09:48] <porkpie> OK
[09:48] <ivoks> and you linux software raid
[09:48] <porkpie> then what 
[09:48] <ivoks> s/you/use
[09:48] <ivoks> linux software raid is much better than those fakeraids
[09:49] <porkpie> We brought the box because we want hardware raid
[09:50] <ivoks> i'm trying to find out what;s PERC
[09:50] <ivoks> ERC is an acronym for "PowerEdge Raid Controller"
[09:52] <porkpie> this is the box http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=pe1950-med&s=bsd
[09:53] <porkpie> ivoks:this is my colleage Ries ....you said the Dell box is not running hardware raid
[09:54] <ivoks> well, i never saw integrated hardware raid controller
[09:54] <ivoks> they were all fakeraids
[09:54] <porkpie> ivoks:we are running the intergrarted perc raid1
[09:55] <porkpie> hmm! 
[09:55] <ivoks> if the OS sees all disks conntected to controller
[09:55] <ivoks> then it's not hardware RAID
[09:55] <porkpie> Ries ....linux see's the 3 discs not 1
[09:55] <Ries> porkpie: you can check that in the bios...
[09:56] <Ries> porkpie: Maybe raid is not configurated yet?
[09:56] <ivoks> i think it is
[09:56] <ivoks> that's why it doesn't boot
[09:56] <Ries> porkpie: The dell is a nice BIOS where you can check that....
[09:56] <porkpie> OK ...I will try the server install disc
[09:56] <ivoks> i would deconfigure it and use linux software raid, which is much better than those fakeraids
[09:57] <porkpie> There isn't anything in the bios all it say is the intergrated contorller is enabled
[09:58] <porkpie> I am going to try the server install disk
[09:58] <ivoks> porkpie: it probably has after-bios configuration
[09:58] <ivoks> eh, you can't get hw raid for (Included in Price) :/
[09:59] <Ries> porkpie: I am sure it has HW raid....
[09:59] <ivoks> Ries: yes, they sell it like that
[09:59] <porkpie> Ries ....I asked for HW raid
[10:00] <ivoks> it could be possible to make this one work
[10:01] <porkpie> Ries:there are no other options ,,,
[10:01] <porkpie> I am going to try the server install disk 
[10:01] <ivoks> porkpie: apt-cache show dmraid
[10:02] <ivoks> porkpie: dmraid is the thing you need
[10:02] <porkpie> ivoks:I am not in ubuntu 
[10:02] <ivoks> porkpie: ah... then: dmraid discovers, activates, deactivates and displays properties of software RAID sets (eg, ATARAID) and contained DOS partitions.
[10:02] <ivoks> porkpie: The following formats are supported: ... LSI Logic MegaRAID ...
[10:03] <ivoks> altough, there are real hardware RAID controllers, but they are also named LSI Logic MegaRAID
[10:03] <porkpie> SO it is software raid ...not hardware raid
[10:04] <ivoks> porkpie: according to Dell, that raid is integrated, and costs 0$
[10:04] <porkpie> I would be for that level of server
[10:04] <ivoks> otoh, "additional" controller costs 600$
[10:05] <porkpie> eh! didn't see that
[10:05] <ivoks> 600$ is something that looks like hardware raid controller :
[10:06] <porkpie> ivoks:where does it say that ??
[10:06] <porkpie> I can't find it
[10:06] <ivoks> porkpie: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=pe1950-med&s=bsd
[10:06] <ivoks> porkpie: 2nd Controller and HBAs
[10:07] <ivoks> easiest thing to do would be to buy 3ware raid controller
[10:08] <porkpie> dam .....I asked for hardware raid and I was told it was hardware raid ......I will call them tomorrow ...
[10:08] <ivoks> :)
[10:09] <porkpie> Thanks for all your help
[10:09] <ivoks> np
[10:14] <ivoks> good luck guys
[10:27] <Ries> I had massive performance problems with 3ware controlerers
[10:45] <JB[away] > why ubuntu are soooooo slow in bug fixing :(
[10:48] <Ries> JB[away] : depends on teh bug I guess
[10:50] <JB[away] > what ?
[10:51] <JB[away] > <Ries> I had massive performance problems with 3ware controlerers <- HTTP performance?
[10:57] <Ries> JB[away] : with 3ware controllers... I have one production server in TExas which has extreemly high IO wait's, and can only do 10MB/sec
[10:57] <JB[away] > i have a 3ware SATA Controller too
[10:57] <JB[away] > on ubuntu
[10:58] <Ries> do you have a prob with that?
[10:58] <Ries> I don't know the partical type anymore...
[11:13] <JB[away] > i have performance problem with a perl application
[11:14] <JB[away] > i dont know if it is the controller
[11:14] <JB[away] > how i can test the IO waits ?
[11:14] <Ries> JB[away] : just check in top
[11:14] <Ries> run the perl...
[11:14] <Ries> and if the perl does a lot of disk activity, see what IO Wait does
[11:15] <JB[away] > i have OTRS perl app
[11:15] <JB[away] > i dont know if you know
[11:15] <Ries> What is OTRS?
[11:15] <JB[away] > www.otrs.org
[11:15] <JB[away] > ticket system
[11:18] <JB[away] > i cant test it now