=== ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:23] hi ogra === jinty [n=jinty@42.Red-83-49-48.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.57.157] has joined #edubuntu === Tunic_ [n=captainf@203-206-6-129.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === shut- [n=your@hlfxns01bbg-142177232169.ns.aliant.net] has joined #edubuntu === shut- [n=your@hlfxns01bbg-142177232169.ns.aliant.net] has left #edubuntu [] === Tunic_ [n=captainf@203-206-6-129.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #edubuntu ["] === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-146-131-172.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEE8EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AED6BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [08:24] g'monday [08:24] morning RichEd [08:24] hello highvoltage ... sorry I missed the show ... last week just kind of ran away with me [08:25] hi RichEd and highvoltage [08:25] Laser ... :) [08:25] RichEd: no problem, there's always next year :) [08:25] LaserJock: btw, didn't mean to interfere with your discussions, I somehow got sucked into it === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === float [n=user@193.171.131.234] has joined #edubuntu [08:55] hallo [08:55] 09:54 *** You have joined channel [08:55] #edubuntu [08:55] 09:54 *** Topic for #edubuntu: Order: [08:55] http://shipit.edubuntu.org || [08:55] Edubuntu - the education [08:55] version of Ubuntu || [08:55] http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: [08:55] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki [08:55] | MEETING: every Wednesday see [08:55] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda [08:55] | Read before installing: [08:55] http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted [08:56] | [08:56] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuKnot3LTSPTesting [08:56] | edgy beta: [08:56] http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/ [08:56] 09:54 *** #edubuntu: topic set by ogra, [08:56] 21:18:33 2006/09/29 [08:56] 09:54 *** Users on #edubuntu: float [08:56] jbrefort Seveas Amaranth Rondom [08:56] ogra RichEd HedgeMage Yagisan [08:56] cafuego Burgundavia kgoetz mdz [08:56] nixternal Kamping_Kaiser === mode/#edubuntu [+o Seveas] by ChanServ === float [n=user@193.171.131.234] has left #edubuntu [requested] === mode/#edubuntu [-o Seveas] by ChanServ [08:57] what was that ? a bot gathering nicks ? [08:57] I have no idea [08:58] Who what? [08:58] That was... abnormal spam [08:58] that float stuff above ... looked automated ? [08:59] Hi, guys. [08:59] hmm, interesting [08:59] RichEd: Did you get the emails I sent you? (Sorry for the number of them... I kept thinking of "one more thing".) [09:00] HedgeMage: going through them now ... thanks ... don't apologise for quantity, especially seegin as the quality is high :) === HedgeMage grins [09:01] thanks [09:02] odd indeed [09:02] highvoltage: I'm talking with the Kalzium dev presently ;-) === float [n=float@193.171.131.234] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage pokes float to see if he/she/it resembles a human [09:03] hi [09:05] hi float ... what was that echo burst above ? [09:06] sorry, don't know [09:06] i had some problems with my irc cilent [09:06] erc [09:06] now i'm in xchat [09:06] Oh well, it happens :) [09:07] Is drgeo used in edubuntu? [09:10] i'm also having some trouble with edubuntu [09:10] i just installed 6.06 in my fathers school [09:11] but now my thinclients can't login users [09:11] i get the gdm login window but logins fail [09:21] jbrefort! [09:22] jbrefort: I thought so [09:27] hi LaserJock [09:27] drgeo is unmaintained :( [09:28] hehe, seems that i had to updat sshkeys for the server [09:30] jbrefort: hmm [09:30] another question: ist there something like the thinstation universal boot disk that can handle pxe [09:30] jbrefort: is there a channel or place to discuss gchemutils btw? [09:31] not at the moment, just the ml [09:31] hehe lots of activity there [09:31] but we can use #gallium ;) [09:31] haha [09:31] ok, realy quick, I had a question [09:31] ? === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:50] hey cbx33 :) [09:50] cbx33: got a sec to give me some help ? [09:52] heh, barely up and already put to work [09:55] RichEd: sure dude [09:55] just let me identify [09:56] LaserJock: hey dude um....I want to write a blog post on those "issues" [09:56] can I pass it by you before I post it? [09:56] cbx33: actually yes as I've been talking with the Kalzium developer who did the blog post [09:57] ogra has received some rather nasty mails about [09:57] and I feel it's my duty to comment seeing as I was involved === jinty [n=jinty@42.Red-83-49-48.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=Will@vc-196-207-32-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [10:38] hey willvdl ... [10:38] Hey RichEd [10:38] hi willvdl [10:39] -> msg [10:39] hey there [10:45] Anyone want me for anything before I sneak off to bed? [10:45] HedgeMage: I think I might have to quote you on that some time [10:45] :p [10:46] LOL === HedgeMage smooches highvoltage and heads off to bed. [10:46] g'night HedgeMage! [10:46] goodnight, highvoltage :) [10:46] cya highvoltage [10:46] doh [10:46] :) [10:47] stupid tab completion [10:47] ok, I'm heading to bed [10:48] I've put in waaaay to many hours this last week [10:48] g'night LaserJock! [10:48] I haven't sleep this little since undergrad [10:48] ;-) [10:48] LaserJock: just the last week? [10:48] LaserJock: that's how it starts ;) [10:49] nah, if I can cut back to 10 hrs/ day then I'll feel better ;-) [10:49] before you know it you will be showering every second day to save some time. :) [10:49] I have a wife that will prevent that sort of thig ;-) [10:50] oh yes. that++ [10:51] highvoltage, woop [10:51] willvdl: woop2u2 [10:51] LaserJock: nn ol buddy === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AED6BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:59] ogra: ping [12:03] highvoltage, which version of wikipedia (snapshot)are you folks currently using? [12:03] or are you using that snapshot that came from Red Cross? [12:04] RichEd, pong [12:10] willvdl: we're using the 2006 SOS Childrens Edition [12:10] we don't use that huge one anymore [12:11] yeah, it's a bit out of date too [12:11] Nov 2005. [12:11] they'll probably only release a new edition next year. [12:12] hmmm... the 2006 SOS Children Wikipedia we have is newer than that [12:20] how big is it again? [12:21] about 250MB [12:29] lekker === jinty [n=jinty@205.Red-83-56-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [01:14] hey rodarvus [01:15] ogra, rodarvus, cbx33: thanks for the help on friday. got cut off unfortunately but I think the guys were pointed in the right direction [01:16] willvdl: what did I do? [01:16] :p [01:17] can't remember, didn't happen === RichEd will brb -> reboot [01:19] cbx33, willvdl is talking about your help with the ipw220 issue last friday ;) [01:20] ahhh [01:20] heheh [01:20] oh, btw, did you check you really have an ipw2200 ? :) [01:20] yes === willvdl reminds himself to check if they came right [01:20] actually let's settle this [01:20] right now [01:20] I'm gonna get out the latpop [01:20] :P [01:20] I'll quench you dissbeleivers - or look totally humiliated [01:20] one way or the other I'm game [01:21] (note there is an "inprocomm ipn2200" that sounds similar but has no linux driver at all [01:21] ) [01:21] If I'm wrong I willbuy you each a beer at MV [01:21] if Iget to go === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-131-172.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 cries [01:23] today is the day it will be announced who gets sponsored for UDS Mountain View, right? [01:23] rodarvus: so I've been told [01:24] ok ogra when did you hack up my machine and change it from an ipw2200 to an ipn2220 [01:24] :) [01:24] I konw it was an ipw [01:24] I know it [01:24] hehe [01:24] because I came online ans spoke to a dev and they said....ahh...that's the only one that is differenty [01:24] 'n' and 'w' are so close to each other! [01:24] right [01:24] and it was ipW IPW IPW IPW === cbx33 thumps rodarvus [01:24] ;) [01:25] i think breezy picked it up as an IPW [01:25] that must have been it [01:25] back peddle back peddle [01:25] cbx33, you know i'm building edubuntu, so i'm indeed building in the backdoors i need to change user hardware secretly ;) [01:25] I READ YOUR EMAIL !!! MUHAHAHA [01:25] hehehe [01:25] nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [01:26] now you know all my secrets [01:26] *g* [01:26] I swear before it said Intel Pro Wireless [01:26] maybe I confused INPROCOMM with Intel Pro Wireless [01:26] no ti's not possible === cbx33 publically apologises to all concerned esp ogra, as I was a little rude to you on friday [01:27] nah, you werent :) [01:34] yeh I was...so sorry ogra === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-54-152.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra just got the latest german "linux magazin" ... rodarvus is mentioned there :) [01:43] oh? [01:43] and what do they tell about me? [01:44] there is a short article about the effects-team [01:44] ahn [01:44] I'm not really effective in this team, actually [01:44] as they seem to only have an interest on Beryl, while my interest is on the full framework leading to Xgl [01:44] and they mention that "the main ubuntu X maintainer rodrigo parra novo" points out that there is more involved on the lower driver level [01:45] (I mentioned this on ubuntu-devel@ and had no replies :) ) [01:45] right [01:45] well, but an article :) [01:45] that's cool [01:45] I wonder if I'll ever be asked to do an interview ;) [01:45] or even have my name mentioned [01:45] that'd be cool [01:46] you will at some point .-.. [01:46] hehehe [01:47] that'd be cool [01:47] if your name shows up on mailing lists youre a public person :) [01:47] dang it [01:47] I hardly ever use mailing lists [01:49] well, newspapers rarely write about IRC logs :P [01:49] hehehe [01:49] I prefer to live in the IRC land [01:49] forums/posts/mailing lists......bad feelings linger [01:49] it's much quicker to sort out issues in real tim [01:50] e [01:50] right [01:50] but it excludes people that are not on IRC ... [01:50] and it is very hard to read an irc log [01:50] i.e. newspapers :) [01:52] ogra: true [01:52] I respond to ML when I can.... [01:52] but takes me so much more time [01:54] ogra good point on the ML about the CD's [01:58] ogra, some of my nepad contacts are internally firewalled and can't use irc [01:58] although I'm working on it [01:58] willvdl: cgi-irc [01:58] web based irc [01:58] what do you think I'm using now ;) [01:58] oooh [01:58] I'm not allowed IRC here [01:59] didn't even think of that [01:59] well by that I mean the port is blocked [01:59] ;) [01:59] and iirc there is an ubuntu cgi-irc page [01:59] giving access to most irc channels related to ubutnu [02:00] oooh, where? [02:00] lemme find it [02:01] http://wiki.ubuntu.ro/irc/irc.cgi?adv=1 [02:01] well there;s one ;) [02:01] i think this could be a good thing to setup if canonical could [02:02] maybe upon registering an edubutnu installation [02:02] you get access to it? [02:02] hmm not edubuntu though [02:02] I know that's the only issue [02:02] I used to have one on my server [02:02] but they dissallow IRC activity [02:04] cbx33, btw do you poke seb128 for the pessulus change ? [02:04] not yet [02:04] think it's ok to [02:04] he said after beta [02:04] think this is far enough after beta? [02:05] beta was so last weekish :) [02:05] you wanna poke or want me to? [02:05] i can do it as well, but i have some other stuff first ... [02:05] I just hope my sound card comes in time so I can update the sounds [02:05] and dont forget about the 640x480 usplash ;) [02:06] nope [02:06] I won't [02:10] ogra did you use GIMP to resize those images? [02:10] when it turned out bad? [02:10] yesd [02:10] I know why [02:10] it doesn't use interpolation for indexed images [02:10] right [02:10] and i feared to trash the palette [02:10] yes [02:11] trashing the palette is bad ;) === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [02:18] I thought trashing the palette involved eating a peppermint before quaffing a ice claret [02:18] nice rather [02:18] heheh [02:18] mmmm lemon sorbet [02:20] wow! [02:20] willvdl, RichEd: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061002#donation [02:21] coooool [02:22] well done :) === jinty [n=jinty@205.Red-83-56-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:24] w00tage [02:25] I'm surprised that the distrowatch guy comes from Cape Town too. seems like we have lots of OSS foo here :) === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AED6BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:02] anyone seen the latest havok 4 engine in action [03:02] truly impressive [03:02] with like a spherical object being fired through a brick wall containing 30,000 bricks [03:02] all reacting to collision detection [03:02] pretty impressive === hkrug [n=hkrug@p57A564B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:28] hi! Need help! Maybe I'm stupid but I cannot login into edubuntu from remove client. Server login works. Remote clients start as they should. But login fails. What can be the reason ? [03:28] do you have sabayon installed ? [03:29] what is sabayon ? [03:29] a user profile manager .... it blocks remote logins if you dont assign the user to a default profile [03:30] I have a plain edubuntu installation, no additional packages installed [03:30] did you change the IP after install ? [03:30] then your ssh keys might be outdated [03:30] yes to standard [03:30] run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys [03:30] ok will regenerate, thanks !! [03:31] edgy solves that by running it automatically if the interface come up btw ... [03:31] *comes [03:32] THANK YOU VERY MUCH, my problem is solved ! [03:32] :) [03:32] you da man ogra [03:32] ? === RichEd gives ogra 20 bonus points ... 10 for help now and 10 for edgy slickness :) [03:33] its a longstanding uglyness :) [03:33] even debian nearly slayed me for running it on every interface ... but it does no harm :) [03:34] oh but it's a welcome smooth fix from a newbie admin hassle factor :) [03:34] right ... === RichEd is out for 20 mins ... collection === hkrug [n=hkrug@p57A564B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #edubuntu ["...] === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser waves to ogra === carsten [n=carsten@wikipedia/carsten] has joined #edubuntu [03:41] Howdy === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AED6BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:52] Morning all [03:55] hi bddebian , sbalneav [03:55] Heya Kamping_Kaiser, sbalneav [03:55] Hello, hello [03:55] :) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [04:02] http://www.col.org/colweb/site/pid/4070 === paolob-parroquia [n=paolob-p@pri-214-b7.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [04:08] Hi guys! The clients doesn't boot, syslog says: [04:08] Oct 2 10:05:51 server-basica dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:50:04:d3:42:11 via eth1 [04:08] Oct 2 10:05:51 server-basica dhcpd: ICMP Echo reply while lease 10.0.1.250 valid. [04:08] Oct 2 10:05:51 server-basica dhcpd: Abandoning IP address 10.0.1.250: pinged before offer [04:08] what is happening? [04:08] and dhcp fail when stopping [04:09] Sounds like you have two dhcp servers on your network competing with each other. [04:09] sbalneav, $ ps ax|grep dhcp [04:09] 6786 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [04:10] Sure, but do you have any OTHER machine on your network handing out dhcp addresses? Like a windows machine, or a little router box, say. [04:11] the clients are on the subnet 10.0.1.0, while others pc are on 10.152.58.0 [04:11] in dhcpd.conf I have the config for 10.0.1.0 and subnet 10.152.58.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { [04:11] } [04:11] ok, what does your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf look like? [04:11] oh boy am I depressed today [04:11] !pastebin [04:11] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things) [04:12] cbx33: Depressed? How so? [04:12] *bah* just work getting me down [04:12] wish I could work on Ubuntu instead [04:12] ;) [04:13] heh, my wife collapsed in a store on Friday, and passed out. We're taking her to the doctor this week. Work's nothing :) [04:13] sbalneav, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25496/ [04:14] paolob-parroquia: Does your server have two network cards in it? [04:14] sbalneav: I'll keep her in my thoughts [04:14] sbalneav, yes [04:14] cbx33: thx [04:15] sbalneav, omg ! [04:15] sbalneav, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25497/ is /etc/network/interfaces [04:16] paolob-parroquia: That looks ok, have you restarted dhcpd? [04:16] sbalneav, yes [04:17] sbalneav, the weird thing is that when restarting dhcpd, stopping failss [04:18] Hm. [04:18] anything in /var/log/daemon.log ? [04:18] What does your /etc/default/dhcp3-server file looke like? [04:19] right, it should be empty [04:19] sbalneav, /etc/default/dhcp3-server only has INTERFACES="" [04:19] that correct [04:19] *tahts [04:19] gah [04:20] Might be handy to start it only for the eth1 interface [04:20] INTERFACES="eth1" [04:20] nah [04:20] dont do that [04:20] nah? [04:20] it has autodetection functionallity built in to check if a subnet matches a static interface [04:20] Useful to ensure it's only doing it's thing on the right interface :) [04:21] all this stuff has begun after changing the clients nic [04:21] ah [04:21] You might want to clean out the leases than [04:22] cd /var/lib/dhcp3 [04:22] sbalneav, I rm'ed /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases [04:22] with the dhcp3 server stopped? [04:22] no [04:22] If you did it while it was running, it'll re-write the same bad ones on shutdown. [04:22] stop, delete, then restart :) [04:23] see if that helps [04:23] done [04:23] See if it's any better now/ [04:23] . [04:23] but dhcpd keeps failing when stoppin [04:24] did you look into the log ? [04:25] ogra, /var/log/daemon.log hasn't anything significant [04:26] then try syslog [04:26] one of the logs should have the errormessage [04:27] ogra, sbalneav http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25499/ is the /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases after rm'ing and restarting dhcpd [04:31] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25500/ is the tail of the syslog [04:33] Well, that seems to indicate that your stations are responding to the ip address before they've been officially been given it. [04:33] weird [04:33] and it doensnt show any error for the "failed" message [04:35] hmm, the date/timestamp in the leases file doesnt match the log [04:36] Read the header in the dhcpd leases file :) [04:36] all leases are in utc, not localtime :) [04:36] heh, blind me [04:36] I am at GMT-4 [04:37] paolob-parroquia: What kind of network cards are these? Looks like the pxe client in them isn't well behaved? [04:38] sbalneav, the clients havev 3com standard cards, and the nic I changed in the server is a nexxt using tulip driver [04:39] "3com standard"? [04:39] Which model? [04:39] sbalneav, 3c905, if I am not wrong [04:39] but they have worked all the time [04:39] Should be ok. [04:39] The problem could be with the new nic I put in the server [04:40] yes, very likely [04:40] but this doesn't explain the failing of dhcpd stop [04:40] You don't have some kind of intelligent switch do you? That's doing mac filtering, or some such whackyness? [04:40] can you check with mii-tool ? [04:40] i.e. is full duplex enabled etc [04:41] $ mii-tool [04:41] SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not permitted [04:41] SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not permitted [04:41] SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth2' failed: Operation not permitted [04:41] SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth3' failed: Operation not permitted [04:41] SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth4' failed: Operation not permitted [04:41] SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth5' failed: Operation not permitted [04:41] SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth6' failed: Operation not permitted [04:41] SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth7' failed: Operation not permitted [04:41] no MII interfaces found [04:41] hmm [04:41] tulip should support mii if i'm not totally wrong ... [04:42] err, indeed you need to sudo it ;) [04:42] sudo mii-tool [04:42] eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok [04:42] eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok [04:42] ok, looks fine [04:42] $ sudo mii-tool -v [04:42] eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok [04:42] product info: vendor 00:10:18, model 23 rev 6 [04:42] basic mode: autonegotiation enabled [04:42] basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok [04:42] capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD [04:42]