[12:23] <LaserJock> hi ogra 
[08:24] <RichEd> g'monday
[08:24] <highvoltage> morning RichEd 
[08:24] <RichEd> hello highvoltage ... sorry I missed the show ... last week just kind of ran away with me
[08:25] <LaserJock> hi RichEd and highvoltage 
[08:25] <RichEd> Laser ... :)
[08:25] <highvoltage> RichEd: no problem, there's always next year :)
[08:25] <highvoltage> LaserJock: btw, didn't mean to interfere with your discussions, I somehow got sucked into it
[08:55] <float> hallo
[08:55] <float> 09:54 *** You have joined channel
[08:55] <float> 	 #edubuntu
[08:55] <float> 09:54 *** Topic for #edubuntu: Order:
[08:55] <float> 	 http://shipit.edubuntu.org ||
[08:55] <float> 	 Edubuntu - the education
[08:55] <float> 	 version of Ubuntu ||
[08:55] <float> 	 http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki:
[08:55] <float> 	 http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki
[08:55] <float> 	 | MEETING: every Wednesday see
[08:55] <float> 	 http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[08:55] <float> 	 | Read before installing:
[08:55] <float> 	 http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[08:56] <float> 	 |
[08:56] <float> 	 https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuKnot3LTSPTesting
[08:56] <float> 	 | edgy beta:
[08:56] <float> 	 http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edgy/
[08:56] <float> 09:54 *** #edubuntu: topic set by ogra,
[08:56] <float> 	 21:18:33 2006/09/29
[08:56] <float> 09:54 *** Users on #edubuntu: float
[08:56] <float> 	 jbrefort Seveas Amaranth Rondom
[08:56] <float> 	 ogra RichEd HedgeMage Yagisan
[08:56] <float> 	 cafuego Burgundavia kgoetz mdz
[08:56] <float> 	 nixternal Kamping_Kaiser
[08:57] <RichEd> what was that ? a bot gathering nicks ?
[08:57] <LaserJock> I have no idea
[08:58] <HedgeMage> Who what?
[08:58] <HedgeMage> That was... abnormal spam
[08:58] <RichEd> that float stuff above ... looked automated ?
[08:59] <HedgeMage> Hi, guys.
[08:59] <Burgundavia> hmm, interesting
[08:59] <HedgeMage> RichEd: Did you get the emails I sent you?  (Sorry for the number of them... I kept thinking of "one more thing".)
[09:00] <RichEd> HedgeMage: going through them now ... thanks ... don't apologise for quantity, especially seegin as the quality is high :)
[09:01] <HedgeMage> thanks
[09:02] <Yagisan> odd indeed
[09:02] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I'm talking with the Kalzium dev presently ;-)
[09:03] <float> hi
[09:05] <RichEd> hi float ... what was that echo burst above ?
[09:06] <float> sorry, don't know
[09:06] <float> i had some problems with my irc cilent
[09:06] <float> erc
[09:06] <float> now i'm in xchat
[09:06] <HedgeMage> Oh well, it happens :)
[09:07] <jbrefort> Is drgeo used in edubuntu?
[09:10] <float> i'm also having some trouble with edubuntu
[09:10] <float> i just installed 6.06 in my fathers school
[09:11] <float> but now my thinclients can't login users
[09:11] <float> i get the gdm login window but logins fail
[09:21] <LaserJock> jbrefort!
[09:22] <LaserJock> jbrefort: I thought so
[09:27] <jbrefort> hi LaserJock 
[09:27] <jbrefort> drgeo is unmaintained :(
[09:28] <float> hehe, seems that i had to updat sshkeys for the server
[09:30] <LaserJock> jbrefort: hmm
[09:30] <float> another question: ist there something like the thinstation universal boot disk that can handle pxe
[09:30] <LaserJock> jbrefort: is there a channel or place to discuss gchemutils btw?
[09:31] <jbrefort> not at the moment, just the ml
[09:31] <LaserJock> hehe lots of activity there
[09:31] <jbrefort> but we can use #gallium ;)
[09:31] <LaserJock> haha
[09:31] <LaserJock> ok, realy quick, I had a question
[09:31] <jbrefort> ?
[09:50] <RichEd> hey cbx33 :)
[09:50] <RichEd> cbx33: got a sec to give me some help ?
[09:52] <LaserJock> heh, barely up and already put to work
[09:55] <cbx33> RichEd: sure dude
[09:55] <cbx33> just let me identify
[09:56] <cbx33> LaserJock: hey dude um....I want to write a blog post on those "issues"
[09:56] <cbx33> can I pass it by you before I post it?
[09:56] <LaserJock> cbx33: actually yes as I've been talking with the Kalzium developer who did the blog post
[09:57] <cbx33> ogra has received some rather nasty mails about 
[09:57] <cbx33> and I feel it's my duty to comment seeing as I was involved
[10:38] <RichEd> hey willvdl ...
[10:38] <willvdl> Hey RichEd
[10:38] <cbx33> hi willvdl 
[10:39] <RichEd> -> msg
[10:39] <willvdl> hey there
[10:45] <HedgeMage> Anyone want me for anything before I sneak off to bed?
[10:45] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: I think I might have to quote you on that some time
[10:45] <highvoltage> :p
[10:46] <HedgeMage> LOL
[10:46] <highvoltage> g'night HedgeMage!
[10:46] <HedgeMage> goodnight, highvoltage :)
[10:46] <LaserJock> cya highvoltage 
[10:46] <LaserJock> doh
[10:46] <highvoltage> :)
[10:47] <LaserJock> stupid tab completion
[10:47] <LaserJock> ok, I'm heading to bed
[10:48] <LaserJock> I've put in waaaay to many hours this last week
[10:48] <highvoltage> g'night LaserJock!
[10:48] <LaserJock> I haven't sleep this little since undergrad
[10:48] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:48] <highvoltage> LaserJock: just the last week?
[10:48] <highvoltage> LaserJock: that's how it starts ;)
[10:49] <LaserJock> nah, if I can cut back to 10 hrs/ day then I'll feel better ;-)
[10:49] <highvoltage> before you know it you will be showering every second day to save some time. :)
[10:49] <LaserJock> I have a wife that will prevent that sort of thig ;-)
[10:50] <highvoltage> oh yes. that++
[10:51] <willvdl> highvoltage, woop
[10:51] <highvoltage> willvdl: woop2u2
[10:51] <cbx33> LaserJock: nn ol buddy 
[11:59] <RichEd> ogra: ping
[12:03] <willvdl> highvoltage, which version of wikipedia (snapshot)are you folks currently using?
[12:03] <willvdl> or are you using that snapshot that came from Red Cross?
[12:04] <ogra> RichEd, pong
[12:10] <highvoltage> willvdl: we're using the 2006 SOS Childrens Edition
[12:10] <highvoltage> we don't use that huge one anymore
[12:11] <willvdl> yeah, it's a bit out of date too
[12:11] <willvdl> Nov 2005.
[12:11] <highvoltage> they'll probably only release a new edition next year.
[12:12] <highvoltage> hmmm... the 2006 SOS Children Wikipedia we have is newer than that
[12:20] <willvdl> how big is it again?
[12:21] <highvoltage> about 250MB
[12:29] <willvdl> lekker
[01:14] <willvdl> hey rodarvus
[01:15] <willvdl> ogra, rodarvus, cbx33: thanks for the help on friday. got cut off unfortunately but I think the guys were pointed in the right direction
[01:16] <cbx33> willvdl: what did I do?
[01:16] <cbx33> :p
[01:17] <willvdl> can't remember, didn't happen
[01:19] <rodarvus> cbx33, willvdl is talking about your help with the ipw220 issue last friday ;)
[01:20] <cbx33> ahhh
[01:20] <cbx33> heheh
[01:20] <ogra> oh, btw, did you check you really have an ipw2200 ? :)
[01:20] <cbx33> yes
[01:20] <cbx33> actually let's settle this
[01:20] <cbx33> right now
[01:20] <cbx33> I'm gonna get out the latpop
[01:20] <willvdl> :P
[01:20] <cbx33> I'll quench you dissbeleivers - or look totally humiliated
[01:20] <cbx33> one way or the other I'm game
[01:21] <ogra> (note there is an "inprocomm ipn2200" that sounds similar but has no linux driver at all
[01:21] <ogra> )
[01:21] <cbx33> If I'm wrong I willbuy you each a beer at MV
[01:21] <cbx33> if Iget to go
[01:23] <rodarvus> today is the day it will be announced who gets sponsored for UDS Mountain View, right?
[01:23] <cbx33> rodarvus: so I've been told
[01:24] <cbx33> ok ogra when did you hack up my machine and change it from an ipw2200 to an ipn2220
[01:24] <rodarvus> :)
[01:24] <cbx33> I konw it was an ipw
[01:24] <cbx33> I know it
[01:24] <ogra> hehe
[01:24] <cbx33> because I came online ans spoke to a dev and they said....ahh...that's the only one that is differenty
[01:24] <rodarvus> 'n' and 'w' are so close to each other!
[01:24] <ogra> right
[01:24] <cbx33> and it was ipW IPW IPW IPW
[01:24] <cbx33> ;)
[01:25] <cbx33> i think breezy picked it up as an IPW
[01:25] <cbx33> that must have been it
[01:25] <cbx33> back peddle back peddle
[01:25] <ogra> cbx33, you know i'm building edubuntu, so i'm indeed building in the backdoors i need to change user hardware secretly ;)
[01:25] <ogra> I READ YOUR EMAIL !!! MUHAHAHA
[01:25] <cbx33> hehehe
[01:25] <cbx33> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[01:26] <cbx33> now you know all my secrets
[01:26] <ogra> *g*
[01:26] <cbx33> I swear before it said Intel Pro Wireless
[01:26] <cbx33> maybe I confused INPROCOMM with Intel Pro Wireless
[01:26] <cbx33> no ti's not possible
[01:27] <ogra> nah, you werent :)
[01:34] <cbx33> yeh I was...so sorry ogra
[01:43] <rodarvus> oh?
[01:43] <rodarvus> and what do they tell about me?
[01:44] <ogra> there is a short article about the effects-team
[01:44] <rodarvus> ahn
[01:44] <rodarvus> I'm not really effective in this team, actually
[01:44] <rodarvus> as they seem to only have an interest on Beryl, while my interest is on the full framework leading to Xgl
[01:44] <ogra> and they mention that "the main ubuntu X maintainer rodrigo parra novo" points out that there is more involved on the lower driver level
[01:45] <rodarvus> (I mentioned this on ubuntu-devel@ and had no replies :) )
[01:45] <rodarvus> right
[01:45] <ogra> well, but an article :)
[01:45] <cbx33> that's cool
[01:45] <cbx33> I wonder if I'll ever be asked to do an interview ;)
[01:45] <cbx33> or even have my name mentioned
[01:45] <cbx33> that'd be cool
[01:46] <ogra> you will at some point .-..
[01:46] <cbx33> hehehe
[01:47] <cbx33> that'd be cool
[01:47] <ogra> if your name shows up on mailing lists youre a public person :)
[01:47] <cbx33> dang it 
[01:47] <cbx33> I hardly ever use mailing lists
[01:49] <ogra> well, newspapers rarely write about IRC logs :P
[01:49] <cbx33> hehehe
[01:49] <cbx33> I prefer to live in the IRC land
[01:49] <cbx33> forums/posts/mailing lists......bad feelings linger
[01:49] <cbx33> it's much quicker to sort out issues in real tim
[01:50] <cbx33> e
[01:50] <ogra> right
[01:50] <ogra> but it excludes people that are not on IRC ...
[01:50] <juliux> and it is very hard to read an irc log
[01:50] <ogra> i.e. newspapers :)
[01:52] <cbx33> ogra: true
[01:52] <cbx33> I respond to ML when I can....
[01:52] <cbx33> but takes me so much more time
[01:54] <cbx33> ogra good point on the ML about the CD's
[01:58] <willvdl> ogra, some of my nepad contacts are internally firewalled and can't use irc
[01:58] <willvdl> although I'm working on it
[01:58] <cbx33> willvdl: cgi-irc
[01:58] <cbx33> web based irc
[01:58] <cbx33> what do you think I'm using now ;)
[01:58] <willvdl> oooh
[01:58] <cbx33> I'm not allowed IRC here
[01:59] <willvdl> didn't even think of that
[01:59] <cbx33> well by that I mean the port is blocked
[01:59] <cbx33> ;)
[01:59] <cbx33> and iirc there is an ubuntu cgi-irc page
[01:59] <cbx33> giving access to most irc channels related to ubutnu
[02:00] <willvdl> oooh, where?
[02:00] <cbx33> lemme find it
[02:01] <willvdl> http://wiki.ubuntu.ro/irc/irc.cgi?adv=1
[02:01] <cbx33> well there;s one ;)
[02:01] <cbx33> i think this could be a good thing to setup if canonical could 
[02:02] <cbx33> maybe upon registering an edubutnu installation
[02:02] <cbx33> you get access to it?
[02:02] <willvdl> hmm not edubuntu though
[02:02] <cbx33> I know that's the only issue
[02:02] <cbx33> I used to have one on my server
[02:02] <cbx33> but they dissallow IRC activity
[02:04] <ogra> cbx33, btw do you poke seb128 for the pessulus change ? 
[02:04] <cbx33> not yet
[02:04] <cbx33> think it's ok to
[02:04] <cbx33> he said after beta
[02:04] <cbx33> think this is far enough after beta?
[02:05] <ogra> beta was so last weekish :)
[02:05] <cbx33> you wanna poke or want me to?
[02:05] <ogra> i can do it as well, but i have some other stuff first ...
[02:05] <cbx33> I just hope my sound card comes in time so I can update the sounds
[02:05] <ogra> and dont forget about the 640x480 usplash ;)
[02:06] <cbx33> nope
[02:06] <cbx33> I won't
[02:10] <cbx33> ogra did you use GIMP to resize those images?
[02:10] <cbx33> when it turned out bad?
[02:10] <ogra> yesd
[02:10] <cbx33> I know why
[02:10] <cbx33> it doesn't use interpolation for indexed images
[02:10] <ogra> right
[02:10] <ogra> and i feared to trash the palette 
[02:10] <cbx33> yes
[02:11] <cbx33> trashing the palette is bad ;)
[02:18] <willvdl> I thought trashing the palette involved eating a peppermint before quaffing a ice claret
[02:18] <willvdl> nice rather
[02:18] <cbx33> heheh
[02:18] <cbx33> mmmm lemon sorbet
[02:20] <highvoltage> wow!
[02:20] <highvoltage> willvdl, RichEd: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20061002#donation
[02:21] <willvdl> coooool
[02:22] <RichEd> well done :)
[02:24] <cbx33> w00tage
[02:25] <highvoltage> I'm surprised that the distrowatch guy comes from Cape Town too. seems like we have lots of OSS foo here :)
[03:02] <cbx33> anyone seen the latest havok 4 engine in action
[03:02] <cbx33> truly impressive
[03:02] <cbx33> with like a spherical object being fired through a brick wall containing 30,000 bricks
[03:02] <cbx33> all reacting to collision detection
[03:02] <cbx33> pretty impressive
[03:28] <hkrug> hi! Need help! Maybe I'm stupid but I cannot login into edubuntu from remove client. Server login works. Remote clients start as they should. But login fails. What can be the reason ?
[03:28] <ogra> do you have sabayon installed ?
[03:29] <hkrug> what is sabayon ?
[03:29] <ogra> a user profile manager .... it blocks remote logins if you dont assign the user to a default profile
[03:30] <hkrug> I have a plain edubuntu installation, no additional packages installed
[03:30] <ogra> did you change the IP after install ?
[03:30] <ogra> then your ssh keys might be outdated
[03:30] <hkrug> yes to standard
[03:30] <ogra> run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys 
[03:30] <hkrug> ok will regenerate, thanks !!
[03:31] <ogra> edgy solves that by running it automatically if the interface come up btw ...
[03:31] <ogra> *comes
[03:32] <hkrug> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, my problem is solved !
[03:32] <ogra> :)
[03:32] <cbx33> you da man ogra 
[03:32] <hkrug> ?
[03:33] <ogra> its a longstanding uglyness :)
[03:33] <ogra> even debian nearly slayed me for running it on every interface ... but it does no harm :)
[03:34] <RichEd> oh but it's a welcome smooth fix from a newbie admin hassle factor :)
[03:34] <ogra> right ...
[03:41] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:52] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi bddebian , sbalneav 
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya Kamping_Kaiser, sbalneav
[03:55] <sbalneav> Hello, hello
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:02] <willvdl> http://www.col.org/colweb/site/pid/4070
[04:08] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys! The clients doesn't boot, syslog says:
[04:08] <paolob-parroquia> Oct  2 10:05:51 server-basica dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:50:04:d3:42:11 via eth1
[04:08] <paolob-parroquia> Oct  2 10:05:51 server-basica dhcpd: ICMP Echo reply while lease 10.0.1.250 valid.
[04:08] <paolob-parroquia> Oct  2 10:05:51 server-basica dhcpd: Abandoning IP address 10.0.1.250: pinged before offer
[04:08] <paolob-parroquia> what is happening?
[04:08] <paolob-parroquia> and dhcp fail when stopping
[04:09] <sbalneav> Sounds like you have two dhcp servers on your network competing with each other.
[04:09] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, $ ps ax|grep dhcp
[04:09] <paolob-parroquia>  6786 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[04:10] <sbalneav> Sure, but do you have any OTHER machine on your network handing out dhcp addresses?  Like a windows machine, or a little router box, say.
[04:11] <paolob-parroquia> the clients are on the subnet 10.0.1.0, while others pc are on 10.152.58.0
[04:11] <paolob-parroquia> in dhcpd.conf I have the config for 10.0.1.0 and subnet 10.152.58.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
[04:11] <paolob-parroquia> }
[04:11] <sbalneav> ok, what does your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf look like?
[04:11] <cbx33> oh boy am I depressed today
[04:11] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[04:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:12] <sbalneav> cbx33: Depressed? How so?
[04:12] <cbx33> *bah* just work getting me down
[04:12] <cbx33> wish I could work on Ubuntu instead
[04:12] <cbx33> ;)
[04:13] <sbalneav> heh, my wife collapsed in a store on Friday, and passed out.  We're taking her to the doctor this week.  Work's nothing :)
[04:13] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25496/
[04:14] <sbalneav> paolob-parroquia: Does your server have two network cards in it?
[04:14] <cbx33> sbalneav: I'll keep her in my thoughts
[04:14] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, yes
[04:14] <sbalneav> cbx33: thx
[04:15] <ogra> sbalneav, omg !
[04:15] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25497/ is /etc/network/interfaces
[04:16] <sbalneav> paolob-parroquia: That looks ok, have you restarted dhcpd?
[04:16] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, yes
[04:17] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, the weird thing is that when restarting dhcpd, stopping failss
[04:18] <sbalneav> Hm.
[04:18] <ogra> anything in /var/log/daemon.log ?
[04:18] <sbalneav> What does your /etc/default/dhcp3-server file looke like?
[04:19] <ogra> right, it should be empty 
[04:19] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, /etc/default/dhcp3-server only has INTERFACES=""
[04:19] <ogra> that correct
[04:19] <ogra> *tahts
[04:19] <ogra> gah
[04:20] <sbalneav> Might be handy to start it only for the eth1 interface
[04:20] <sbalneav> INTERFACES="eth1"
[04:20] <ogra> nah
[04:20] <ogra> dont do that 
[04:20] <sbalneav> nah?
[04:20] <ogra> it has autodetection functionallity built in to check if a subnet matches a static interface
[04:20] <sbalneav> Useful to ensure it's only doing it's thing on the right interface :)
[04:21] <paolob-parroquia> all this stuff has begun after changing the clients nic
[04:21] <sbalneav> ah
[04:21] <sbalneav> You might want to clean out the leases than
[04:22] <sbalneav> cd /var/lib/dhcp3
[04:22] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, I rm'ed /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases
[04:22] <sbalneav> with the dhcp3 server stopped?
[04:22] <paolob-parroquia> no
[04:22] <sbalneav> If you did it while it was running, it'll re-write the same bad ones on shutdown.
[04:22] <sbalneav> stop, delete, then restart :)
[04:23] <sbalneav> see if that helps
[04:23] <paolob-parroquia> done
[04:23] <sbalneav> See if it's any better now/
[04:23] <sbalneav> .
[04:23] <paolob-parroquia> but dhcpd keeps failing when stoppin
[04:24] <ogra> did you look into the log ?
[04:25] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, /var/log/daemon.log hasn't anything significant
[04:26] <ogra> then try syslog
[04:26] <ogra> one of the logs should have the errormessage 
[04:27] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, sbalneav http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25499/ is the /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases after rm'ing and restarting dhcpd
[04:31] <paolob-parroquia> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25500/ is the tail of the syslog
[04:33] <sbalneav> Well, that seems to indicate that your stations are responding to the ip address before they've been officially been given it.
[04:33] <ogra> weird
[04:33] <ogra> and it doensnt show any error for the "failed" message
[04:35] <ogra> hmm, the date/timestamp in the leases file doesnt match the log
[04:36] <sbalneav> Read the header in the dhcpd leases file :)
[04:36] <sbalneav> all leases are in utc, not localtime :)
[04:36] <ogra> heh, blind me
[04:36] <paolob-parroquia> I am at GMT-4
[04:37] <sbalneav> paolob-parroquia: What kind of network cards are these?  Looks like the pxe client in them isn't well behaved?
[04:38] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, the clients havev 3com standard cards, and the nic I changed in the server is a nexxt using tulip driver
[04:39] <sbalneav> "3com standard"?
[04:39] <sbalneav> Which model?
[04:39] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, 3c905, if I am not wrong
[04:39] <paolob-parroquia> but they have worked all the time
[04:39] <sbalneav> Should be ok.
[04:39] <paolob-parroquia> The problem could be with the new nic I put in the server
[04:40] <ogra> yes, very likely
[04:40] <paolob-parroquia> but this doesn't explain the failing of dhcpd stop
[04:40] <sbalneav> You don't have some kind of intelligent switch do you?  That's doing mac filtering, or some such whackyness?
[04:40] <ogra> can you check with mii-tool ?
[04:40] <ogra> i.e. is full duplex enabled etc
[04:41] <paolob-parroquia> $ mii-tool
[04:41] <paolob-parroquia> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not permitted
[04:41] <paolob-parroquia> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not permitted
[04:41] <paolob-parroquia> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth2' failed: Operation not permitted
[04:41] <paolob-parroquia> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth3' failed: Operation not permitted
[04:41] <paolob-parroquia> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth4' failed: Operation not permitted
[04:41] <paolob-parroquia> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth5' failed: Operation not permitted
[04:41] <paolob-parroquia> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth6' failed: Operation not permitted
[04:41] <paolob-parroquia> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth7' failed: Operation not permitted
[04:41] <paolob-parroquia> no MII interfaces found
[04:41] <ogra> hmm
[04:41] <ogra> tulip should support mii if i'm not totally wrong ...
[04:42] <ogra> err, indeed you need to sudo it ;)
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia>  sudo mii-tool
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia> eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia> eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok
[04:42] <ogra> ok, looks fine
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia> $ sudo mii-tool -v
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia> eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia>   product info: vendor 00:10:18, model 23 rev 6
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia>   basic mode:   autonegotiation enabled
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia>   basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia>   capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia>   advertising:  100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia>   link partner: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia> eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia>   product info: vendor 00:07:49, model 1 rev 1
[04:42] <paolob-parroquia>   basic mode:   autonegotiation enabled
[04:43] <paolob-parroquia>   basic status: autonegotiation complete, link ok
[04:43] <paolob-parroquia>   capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD
[04:43] <paolob-parroquia>   advertising:  100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control
[04:43] <paolob-parroquia>   link partner: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD flow-control
[04:43] <paolob-parroquia> but the failing when stopping dhcpd service...?
[04:43] <ogra> does it stop properly if you run /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop ?
[04:43] <ogra> (check with ps ax|grep dhcp afterwards)
[04:44] <paolob-parroquia> yes, it stops
[04:45] <ogra> did it show a "failed" again ?
[04:45] <paolob-parroquia> yes, it keeps failing. Issuing twice the stop:
[04:45] <paolob-parroquia> $ sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server stop
[04:45] <paolob-parroquia>  * Stopping DHCP server... start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 8730: No such process
[04:46] <ogra> cat /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid
[04:46] <ogra> (make sure its not running while you do that)
[04:46] <ogra> i suspect a stale pid file
[04:47] <paolob-parroquia> $ env LC_ALL=C cat /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid
[04:47] <paolob-parroquia> cat: /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid: No such file or directory
[04:47] <paolob-parroquia> wait..
[04:48] <paolob-parroquia> after stopping: $ env LC_ALL=C cat /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid
[04:48] <paolob-parroquia> 9396
[04:49] <paolob-parroquia> if I stop it twice then it gives the error above
[04:49] <paolob-parroquia> "the error" = No such file or directory
[04:51] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, then stopping it doesn't rm /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid
[04:54] <sbalneav> Try removing it manually then.
[04:55] <paolob-parroquia> well stopping twice dhcp3-server removes it
[04:57] <ogra> right, then the errir should go away
[04:57] <ogra> *error
[04:58] <paolob-parroquia> notwistanding, booting the clients doesn't work, they keep saying "no IP address"
[04:59] <sbalneav> paolob-parroquia: You havn't got a managed switch, do you?  Somthing fancy like a high-end cisco?
[04:59] <sbalneav> We had a problem the other day where the switch was mucking things up.
[04:59] <paolob-parroquia> it's a D-Link 1024 d
[05:00] <paolob-parroquia> I have two cascading switches
[05:00] <sbalneav> hm
[05:00] <sbalneav> Maybe the switch has something in it's arp cache.  Could you reset the switches?
[05:02] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, ok, I reset them, now all is ok! thank you
[05:02] <sbalneav> Sweet!!!
[05:04] <sbalneav> Sometimes, switches can be too smart for their own good :)
[05:04] <paolob-parroquia> :-)
[05:04] <sbalneav> ogra: We should add "Reboot your switches!!!!" somewhere to the docs :)
[05:06] <ogra> yeah !
[05:06] <ogra> evil arp cache
[05:10] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, the mistery keeps why stopping dhcp fails
[05:10] <paolob-parroquia> ok, I'm going to my work.
[05:10] <paolob-parroquia> thank you all ogra sbalneav 
[05:28] <willvdl> ping highvoltage
[05:29] <highvoltage> pong willvdl 
[05:52] <lucasvo> ogra: I have a bug from testing cd
[05:52] <lucasvo> ogra: it does not ask which hostname to use on the server
[05:52] <ogra> lucasvo, right, it never did :)
[05:53] <lucasvo> ogra: that's crap
[05:53] <lucasvo> :)
[05:53] <ogra> but its probably worth changing that
[05:53] <lucasvo> yes indeed!
[05:53] <lucasvo> because if you have multiple workstations you confuse them easily
[05:53] <ogra> well, after three releases you are the first one who complains about it ;)
[05:53] <lucasvo> wowo
[05:53] <lucasvo> I wouldn't have expected that
[05:54] <ogra> 2.75 releases tbh
[06:19] <RichEd> hi ogra ... I've just been through the kde email flood :) phew !
[06:20] <ogra> yeah
[06:22] <sbalneav> ogra: What list was this on?  I'm on both edu..users and edu..devel, and only got a few messages?
[06:24] <ogra> and thats only the public part ... you dont want to see my trash :)
[06:25] <lucasvo> ogra: maybe you should publish it
[06:26] <ogra> lucasvo, nope
[06:27] <ogra> edward is fine 
[06:27] <sbalneav> How bad was it?  Get some death threats?
[06:27] <ogra> not explicitly death, but near, yes
[06:29] <sbalneav> Just kde fanboys, or actual real, sane, normal KDE developers?  Usually the kde developers themselves are normally a pretty level-headed bunch.
[06:29] <highvoltage> eward is a strange guy IRL though :)
[06:29] <ogra> only users that were heated up by the blogpost from the kalzium guy
[06:29] <sbalneav> Got a link to the post?
[06:30] <ogra> we'll probably meet him in MV
[06:30] <sbalneav> I haven't seen it.
[06:32] <ogra> sbalneav, http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/27154.html
[06:34] <ogra> "Don't even give attention to something that doesn't even deserve it. The guys who started that project seem to be religious butt heads that are living in their small narrow world (like the maintainer of Edubuntu whom I know personally)."
[06:34] <ogra> i still wonder who that might be
[06:35] <ogra> do i come across like a "religious butt head" for gnome ?
[06:36] <sbalneav> No, I think it's just a bunch of morons talking out their butts.
[06:36] <sbalneav> The reason is perfectly plain: reduce the CD size to include more langpacks.
[06:37] <lucasvo> ogra: not really
[06:37] <ogra> sbalneav, exactly ... or more edu apps ...
[06:37] <willvdl> right. I'm outa here. LAter chaps
[06:37] <sbalneav> Right.
[06:39] <sbalneav> They're just fanboys.  Although, here's maybe where you could make both sides happy.  Find someone in the KDE community to head up "kedubuntu".  and have 2 versions of edubuntu, just like there's 2 versions (k)ubuntu.
[06:39] <sbalneav> You work on the gnomve version, and someone else works on the kde version.  
[06:41] <sbalneav> Heading out for lunch.  Be back in a bit.
[06:42] <LaserJock> hi ogra
[06:42] <LaserJock> ogra: sorry for the mess
[06:43] <ogra> LaserJock, not your fault
[06:45] <LaserJock> ogra: I've been talking with the Kalzium dev (and lots of others) over the last couple days
[06:45] <LaserJock> I've actually spent more time sending email, chatting, etc. than I did on Gallium
[06:45] <ogra> looks like riddell is trying to get the kdeedu lead to MV
[06:46] <highvoltage> LaserJock: heh, some of my days have been like that in the past too
[06:46] <ogra> so we could probably discuss more about makeingt it smaller and resolving the size issues
[06:47] <highvoltage> I told Riddell about this on IRC Sunday. I thought that he perhaps knew someone in KDE who could help. this was before Anne-Marie posted to the list though.
[06:51] <ogra> what really bothers me is that absolutely *nothing* indicates the attitude in pygis blog that carsten interprets into it ... and that i had a really bad weekend due to that assumptions ...
[06:52] <LaserJock> yes
[06:53] <LaserJock> I talked to one of the Kalzium devs last night
[06:53] <LaserJock> and he was very very sorry for the emails you got and all the negativity
[06:53] <highvoltage> geez.
[06:53] <ogra> as long as people start interpreting such stuff into plain developer efforts (which even do it for fun on the development and with no grain of ideological intention) these issues will come up over and over again
[06:54] <ogra> thats my biggest fear ...
[06:55] <ogra> LaserJock, well, its the community ... not the developers that mailed me with evil stuff ...
[06:55] <LaserJock> right
[06:55] <LaserJock> and the dev was very appalled to hear about it
[06:55] <ogra> the tone in the blog comments pretty much reflects the tone in the mails i got 
[06:56] <LaserJock> anyway, it was/is a mess but hopefully we are over most of it
[06:56] <ogra> right
[06:56] <LaserJock> I spent ~ 30 hrs this weekend trying to patch things up
[06:56] <LaserJock> etc.
[06:56] <ogra> i decided to ignore the topic until we have something to really diswcuss about
[06:57] <lucasvo> anyone know how I can set my image in GAIM which is displayed in msn?
[06:57] <lucasvo> ogra: but the kalzium guy is a developer, is he? so why do all the people say that it's only the community who is evil?
[06:59] <ogra> lucasvo, *he* didnt mail me with threatening stuff
[06:59] <lucasvo> ogra: no, but he blogged about it.
[06:59] <ogra> he just mis(or over-)interprteted a post from pygi
[07:00] <lucasvo> in a quite rude way
[07:01] <ogra> well, i must admit it wasnt friendly ... but the worse stuff were the comments ... which were not his ...
[07:01] <ogra> and caused the mail flood
[07:01] <lucasvo> true
[07:02] <LaserJock> anyway...
[07:02] <LaserJock> the good news is I meet some cool people
[07:02] <LaserJock> learned about a few projects
[07:02] <lucasvo> LaserJock: and some uncoool...
[07:03] <lucasvo> well, not met but heard of them
[07:03] <LaserJock> lucasvo: I'm choosing to be positive ;-)
[07:03] <ogra> and we'll get anne-marie to the conference :)
[07:03] <LaserJock> yes
[07:03] <lucasvo> where is it?
[07:03] <LaserJock> Google headquarters
[07:03] <ogra> so we can probably solve some infrastructural problems we have with size :)
[07:04] <lucasvo> I'd like to make one in zurich :)
[07:04] <lucasvo> I can't afford the traveling
[07:05] <ogra> did you apply for sponsorship ?
[07:05] <lucasvo> no
[07:05] <lucasvo> would I qualify. I don't think so. Is it already too late?
[07:05] <ogra> canonical pays for people willing to come (even though not for all of them, but many)
[07:05] <ogra> its to late already
[07:06] <lucasvo> it's every half year, isn't it?
[07:06] <ogra> deadline was two weeks ago iirc
[07:06] <ogra> yes
[07:06] <lucasvo> I'll try next time
[07:06] <ogra> di that :)
[07:06] <ogra> *do
[07:07] <lucasvo> Mon 25th Sep 2006
[07:07] <lucasvo> :(
[08:36] <willvdl> anyone got a nice edubuntu odp template?
[09:05] <cbx33> ogra, are mails going out about sponsorship?
[09:05] <cbx33> I'm gonna have to reboot brb
[09:05] <cbx33> just getting you that 640x480 image
[09:06] <cbx33> actually a reboot won't help
[09:29] <cbx33> ogra, got the 640x480 image
[09:29] <cbx33> I'll mail it to you
[09:43] <cbx33> anyone got any news on MV yet?
[11:00] <mbvo> when I set up an edubuntu, can i connect to windows servers? or just linux?
[11:00] <HedgeMage> mbvo: depends on what they're serving and how
[11:02] <mbvo> I want the programs(most of them) to run localy, and the data to be stored both localy and on the server, but i wan't the settings on the server, and I want to be able to troubleshoot problems from the server
[11:04] <HedgeMage> Well, you can store stuff on a windows file server, and connect from a windoze box to the linux client via ssh to do troubleshooting, but windows boxes can't manage linux boxes in any meaningful way
[11:06] <mbvo> as far as loging in and out goes, can a linux workstation log into a windows server, so that the passwords and permisions r stored on a windows server?
[11:08] <cbx33> ogra, you get my message
[11:10] <HedgeMage> mbvo: Well, many Linux permissions are in the filesystem itself, or in config files (like the sudoers file) but as far as group membership and login/pw stuff, find someone good with Linux and LDAP and they can help you with that.
[11:35] <cbx33> hi all