/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2006/10/02/#launchpad.txt

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UbugtuNew bug: #63463 in soyuz "firefox crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6346302:06
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mptGooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!03:00
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SteveAgood morning08:25
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carlosmorning08:27
fabbionehmmm08:32
fabbionehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vlan/+bug/5046008:32
UbugtuMalone bug 50460 in vlan "Please install this package by default" [Wishlist,Fix released]  08:32
fabbionethis bug has been fixed in edgy and marked as such08:32
fabbionebut +distrotask doesn't allow me to open a new task for dapper-updates08:33
fabbioneit claims there is an error08:33
fabbioneThis bug has already been reported on vlan (ubuntu).08:33
fabbioneso how am i supposed to do that?08:33
Fujitsuhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vlan/+bug/50460/+backport ?08:34
UbugtuMalone bug 50460 in vlan "Please install this package by default" [Wishlist,Fix released]  08:34
fabbioneFujitsu: no, it's not a backport, it's a task08:36
BjornTfabbione: for now, i think using +backport is the right thing to do. there has been work done on improving release targeting, but it hasn't landed yet.08:49
jordicarlos: have a look at the additions to the KDE page08:49
jordiand tell danilo and I how it looks from your side08:50
fabbioneBjornT: point is that i am not requesting a backport of the package. It's a "bug" in the seeds that should include the package on dapper-updates CD08:50
BjornTfabbione: i know. the ui is a bit unclear here, "backport" refers to the fix, not to the package. "backport" is still the wrong word to use, though, and it will be changed in a few weeks.08:53
fabbioneBjornT: ok08:54
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SteveA_thumper_: good morning09:57
_thumper_SteveA: morning10:01
_thumper_my icon wasn't flashing10:01
SteveAyou officially start today, right?10:01
_thumper_yep10:01
SteveAexcellent!10:01
_thumper_going throught the new starter wiki page now10:01
SteveAokay10:02
SteveAyou ought to get launchpad set up on your machine today too10:02
SteveAlifeless: ping10:02
_thumper_they are all on holiday aren't they?10:02
SteveAlifeless will need to tell PQM about your GPG key10:02
SteveAhmm... yeah that's a point.  Queen's birthday and labour day10:03
_thumper_labour day I think10:03
_thumper_my folks live in Perth10:03
SteveAand the usual bzr meeting that is normally on a monday has been put off to tomorrow10:03
_thumper_yeah, I saw the email10:03
_thumper_that's going to be fun from NZ10:04
SteveAwe can try renegotiating the times10:04
SteveAin the past, we've had bzr-launchpad meetings a bit earlier10:04
_thumper_nah, I'll just do it late10:04
SteveAalthough, DST ends soon in the northern half of the world10:04
SteveAand that makes times more difficult10:04
_thumper_where is the wiki mentioned in the cannel heading?10:05
_thumper_s/cannel/channel/10:05
SteveAhttps://launchpad.canonical.com/10:06
SteveAthe internal launchpad development wiki10:06
SteveAalthough, I should move the meeting agenda to a public wiki really10:06
_thumper_ok, I was looking at the other canonical wiki10:07
SteveAseeing as it is a public meeting10:07
SteveAwhat's your user id in Launchpad  ?10:07
_thumper_I'll just check10:07
_thumper_tim-penhey10:08
carlosjordi: ok, let me see...10:09
SteveAok.  I added you as a member of the 'launchpad' team (Launchpad Developers)10:10
_thumper_ok10:10
SteveAthis means, among other things, that you'll see tracebacks when launchpad OOPSes in production10:11
carlosjordi, danilos: I think that document is good enough to send it to KDE and GNOME people10:12
SteveAis also means you get a cute rocketship emblem on your homepage10:12
_thumper_SteveA, ok - that happen often?10:12
SteveAdepends what pages you go to10:13
SteveAtechnically speaking it happens on every 404 page10:13
_thumper_no doubt things will become clear with time10:13
SteveAwe're getting about 10 application errors per day, of those 3-4 distinct errors10:13
SteveAmost of which have branches ready to be reviewed or rolled out10:13
carlosjordi, danilos: And publish it somewhere in our wiki so we can point future questions addressed by that document10:14
SteveAso, I'm looking forward to when we're consistently getting 0 application errors per day10:14
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carlosjordi, danilos: also, I guess that Steve and/or kiko should read it before sending it10:14
SteveAwe also get time-outs occassionally, mainly from rosetta pages right now.  carlos, danilo and kiko are working on fixing those.10:14
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SteveAmorning ddaa 10:21
ddaaHello SteveA10:22
SteveAddaa: Tim started work today.10:24
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ddaaRight10:24
_thumper_ddaa, morning10:24
ddaaI have a call with mpt scheduled in 35 mins about the 1.0 UI10:25
ddaa_thumper_: hello buddy10:25
SteveAddaa, _thumper_: let's set up shop on #launchpad-meeting, for discussing getting Tim set up with launchpad etc. and starting to look through the bzr-launchpad stuff.10:26
SteveAthat way we won't be totally spamming #launchpad :-)10:26
ddaaack10:26
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_Nightwish_how to close/delete an launchpad account?11:49
_Nightwish_anyone?11:51
_Nightwish_!help11:51
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Burgundaviaany malone people up?11:58
BjornTBurgundavia: yeah, i'm here.12:00
BurgundaviaBjornT: I need to the bugs from a product redirected to another product12:03
Burgundaviabasically baobob has been subsumed into gnome-utils12:03
BjornTBurgundavia: we don't have any mass-change interface yet, so if there are many bugs stub is needed to modify the db directly. but how many bugs are there? i can't find any bugs for the product itself, and the source package has 5 bugs. are there more?12:11
BjornTif not, it's probably easiest to re-assign the bugs manually, one by one.12:12
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BurgundaviaBjornT: will do. What about making certain new bugs go to gnome-utils?12:32
jameshBurgundavia: given that there is an Ubuntu release with another 2.5 years of desktop support which has a baobab package, why would you want to do that?12:35
Burgundaviajamesh: because baobob no longer exists as an idependent project12:35
jamesh... but there is a baobab package that'll need to be maintained for another 2.5 years, right?12:36
jameshso it makes sense to be able to file bugs against it12:36
Burgundaviahmm, interesting12:36
BjornTBurgundavia: that's a bit harder, i don't think it's possible to do today. and as jamesh points out, it might make sense to let people file bugs against the old package.12:37
Burgundaviaright12:37
jordicarlos: alright12:49
jordiSteveA: kiko-zzz: our reply to the recent GNOME/KDE debates about rosetta: https://launchpad.canonical.com/RosettaKdeCollaboration12:50
jordiSteveA: if you could have a quick look and see if you have any comments12:51
lifeless_thumper_: please email me your gpg key in ascii armoured form12:57
lifelessreview team meeting in 2 minutes12:58
_thumper_lifeless, sure as soon as I figure out how12:58
lifelessgpg --export -a keyid12:58
lifelessok review meeting time01:03
carlosjordi: please, use email so they don't forget it01:03
lifelessspiv and jamesh are on leave01:03
carlosjordi: with a copy to launchpad@01:03
lifelessthat leaves bjornt and SteveA at regular attendance01:03
BjornThi01:03
lifeless(on leave == public holidays)01:03
lifelessand I'm technically on public holiday01:04
lifelessso I'd like to move that we skip the meeting unless there is urgent business, just ahve it next week01:04
lifelessall in favour ?01:04
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BjornTskipping the meetings sounds good01:04
lifelessthe ayes have it01:05
lifelesslater y'all01:05
jordicarlos: yup01:06
carlosjordi: thanks01:07
jordidone01:07
SteveAjordi: I'll look after lunch.01:23
jordiSteveA: thanks01:23
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UbugtuNew bug: #62668 in language-pack-gnome-es "[Edgy]  Some strings can't be translated" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6266802:06
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zwnjkiko-zzz: ping02:32
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UbugtuNew bug: #63557 in rosetta "In a filtered view, Rosetta skips messages when saving" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6355702:40
ddaaSteveA: is there some policy thing about when launchpad devs should start dogfooding edgy?02:51
ddaa(that is reaction to the announce of edgy beta)02:52
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ZnarlOh yeah, screen would have been a good idea too.  *slaps head*03:10
ZnarlOpps, sorry.03:10
SteveAddaa: I haven't received a particular request from the distro team this time around.  Usually, I recommend people start at the code freeze at the latest.03:41
SteveAIf you don't try edgy on your own hardware, then it's possible that it won't work well.03:41
ddaaWell, I have a pretty standard T42p with very large screen (I think iwj has the same). So I am not really concerned about compatibility. Also I do not have my disk set up for running multiple OSes.03:43
zwnjping kiko-zzz03:43
ddaaSo it's just a matter of launchpad development. I usually wait for a little bit after the gold release, just to avoid any unecessary downtime.03:43
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kikohy zwnj 04:13
zwnjkiko: hi04:13
zwnjkiko: may i ask some questions?04:13
kikoyou may, but not exactly right now as I have a phone call to take04:15
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kikocarlos, did you see jane's reply?04:19
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carloskiko: yeah, thanks04:19
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carlosI just sent an email to Rafa04:19
carlosasking for more info04:19
kikocarlos, if you need any more info from me, ping me!04:19
carloskiko: sure, I will do it! ;-)04:20
matsubarahey carlos, could you take a look at: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+ticket/1930? I don't know if that is something that you can do or that needs some DB powers.04:27
carlosok04:27
carlosmatsubara: DBA needs to do that04:28
carlosmatsubara: I will handle that request04:28
carlos(I need to provide Stuart with the SQL query to do it)04:28
matsubaracarlos: all right. thanks a lot!04:28
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SteveAkiko: yo04:53
kikophone04:54
SteveAjordi, carlos, danilos; I have some comments on that wiki page04:58
SteveAwho should I talk with?04:58
carlosSteveA: jordi and danilo prepared it04:58
SteveAcarlos: are you using carbon for langpack generation ?05:02
carlosyes05:02
carlosis it causing problems?05:03
SteveAno, but karl wants to take the machine offline for 30 mins or 1hr sometime this week05:03
SteveAis there anything special we should do about that?05:04
carloswell, if it's running, I would need to execute it later or just skip that daily snapshot05:04
SteveAwhen does it run?05:04
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carlosanyway, the process ends around 8:00 London time05:05
SteveAam?05:05
carlosit starts at 4:4505:05
carlosyes05:05
carlosAM05:05
SteveAok, that's fine then05:05
carlosSteveA: thanks for checking it05:05
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SteveAdanilos, jordi: ping me when you want to talk about the announcement05:11
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danilosSteveA: sure, I can do it right away05:15
jordiSteveA: I'm ready05:18
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SteveAjordi: I'm talking to danilo05:23
SteveAhe can show you the changes in the wiki later05:23
jordiokay05:24
jordiif you want to move to #cm just say05:25
SteveAwe're done05:26
danilosjordi: I'll be doing some changes in the wiki right now, and will let you handle the rest ;)05:27
jordidanilos: always remember that if you want to handle everything, I'll be happy to let you do the task.05:31
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danilosjordi: I don't doubt it, but I hate to take destroy your fine work :P05:32
jordidanilos: so, are there many changes to do?05:32
danilosjordi: not too many, let me get you informed05:33
jordik05:33
jordiSteveA: okay. Sorry about the "insider" language in some sentences. The text once was directed to launchpad@, not the actual KDE/GNOME people05:38
jordiso some things have escaped the rewrites05:38
SteveAit's fine05:38
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SteveAI think it's clearly written overall05:38
SteveAsalgado: ping, sometime, not urgent05:42
salgadoSteveA, pong05:48
jordikiko: where is the KIKO!?05:55
kikoon drugs05:55
jordikiko: the KDE thingy is ready for your review. Do you want me to mail you about it so you don't forget?05:56
jordiit's been reviewed by danilo/steve already05:56
kikono05:56
jordiwe want your ok too05:56
jordidanilos: I'm thinking getting jonathan's view could be good too05:56
daniloskiko: we want your announcement-foo over it, and I've heard your announcement-foo is this big: >------------------<05:57
kikooh ,am05:57
jordiheh05:59
kikoI'm in the middle of 5 convos05:59
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Riddelljordi, danilos: can I show that to toma for feedback?  (author of the KDERosettaCollaboration wiki page)06:08
jordiRiddell: we were going to send this to the relevant KDE and GNOME list I guess06:08
Riddellok06:09
jordibut sure, it'll be public very soon06:09
jordiso go ahead if you want06:09
jordiRiddell: wait before we have the final version though06:10
jordiwe're waiting for a final review06:10
Riddellsure06:11
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kristoghello *06:19
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flacostekiko, salgado: ping06:22
kikoflacoste, can it be a bit later?06:23
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flacostekiko: it could be, it's about the ticket expiration script, i need some pointers06:23
flacostekiko: i'll ping you a little bit later, maybe after lunch06:24
kikok06:24
kristogi have a question for you: i wanted to have a commit-mailing-list for some pkg-team; people told me that LP can deliver bzr-commit-messages to people that are part of the team, i was wonderig if it is a good idea add fake accounts to the team (so fake LP user) with mail-address a ML address (something like team-commit@google...) as (at the moment) LP hasn't support for ML. 06:28
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kikokristog, you can create teams that have mailing lists as their contact addresses, no problem.06:29
kikohowever, we don't send commit emails out yet06:30
kikoddaa can perhaps fill you in on more of that.06:30
ddaawell06:30
ddaaactually, we'd love to have that feature06:31
kristogyes :)06:31
ddaawe've been planning to do it since early this year06:31
ddaabut unfortunately we never had the round tuits to do it06:31
kristogddaa: uhm why not add the bzr-mail-plugin to the bzr repo?06:31
ddaakristog: we'll almost certainly have to something different06:32
ddaafor example, to handle teams that do not have an explicit email address06:32
ddaaand because which-team-to-which-repo is not explicit in the disk layout we use internally06:33
ddaaand because anyway the host that contains the repos is generally considered compromised and would not be able to send mails06:33
ddaathe list could go on like that for a long tim06:33
kristogddaa: why not create by defaults standard set of mailaddress for team? like pkg-telepathy-bugs, pkg-telepathy-commits..06:35
kristogwhat you mean with "generally considered compromised" ?06:35
LarstiQsounds distro centric?06:36
ddaaI mean the system that hosts the branch is considered a low-security system, with little privileges06:41
ddaakristog: we cannot make the existence of a mailing list a prerequisite for creating a team06:42
ddaabesides, most branches in launchpad have nothing to do with packages06:43
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kristogddaa: probably you are right, but i hope people will start use pkg-team for do package maintanance, at last for things like galago or telepathy which are not part of main and that have a lot of packges06:44
DANIELITHI06:44
kristogand in the end, all teams should have a Ml for coordination...06:45
DANIELITI have a question, in the Galician TEAM what distro i must translate?06:45
DANIELITUBUNTU 5.10 6.06 or 6.1606:45
DANIELIT?06:45
ddaakristog: I have only the fuzziest idea of what you are talking about06:45
ddaaI think launchpad should provide a mailing list functionality, but I do not think it's considered a priority. Ubunu-related MLs are done with mailmain at lists.canonical.com, and there are good third party services for upstreams.06:47
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kristogddaa: sorry, someone rebooted this machine..06:54
ddaakristog: in summary, yes we would like to do that, I think that would be an extremely useful feature. But it requires some doing to integrate in Launchpad. On the other hand you should be able to tie something up with a cronjob that looks on http://bazaar.launchpad.net to do the job in the meantime.06:55
ddaakristog: I'm not very up to date with the status of the various bzr plugins, but you could get help on #bzr06:56
kristogddaa: there is a mail plugin written by (let me search), it do what i need, but i guess it should be installed on the main bzr repo07:00
ddaawhat do you mean "installed on the main bzr repo"?07:00
kristogInstalling a plugin is very easy! One can either install a plugin systemwide or on a user by user basis. Both methods involve create a "plugins" directory. Within this directory one can place plugins in subdirectories. For example, "plugins/bzrtools/".07:02
kristogtaken from the bzr website07:02
ddaawell, yes, but what is relation with the location of the branch you want to watch for commits?07:02
ddaait's all designed so you can get full functionality without installing anything on a server07:03
kristogi guess it should be installed in ~team/.plugins07:03
ddaaon which system?07:03
kristogon bazaar.lp.net07:04
kristogas all people want know what is changed07:04
ddaathere's no place, and no need, to install plugins on bazaar.lp.net07:04
ddaaI think you have some misconceptions.07:04
kristogyes.07:04
LarstiQinstalling the plugin on bazaar.lp.net will do nothing07:05
sivangre folks07:06
ddaaWhat I'm thinking of is setting a cronscript on any machine on the internet with a good enough uptime. That script will look for new commits on the branch on bazaar.lp.net, and send emails when it sees something new.07:06
LarstiQit is run locally on commit, there is no commit going on on launchpad, unless I severely misjudge the lp architecture.07:06
ddaaIt's, you know, decentralised.07:06
kristogLarstiQ: https://launchpad.net/people/telepathy/+branch/cohoba/ubuntu07:06
ddaaHaving the feature on LP would make that user-run cronscript uncessary, and would allow for lower latency, but it's not necessary to get the feature.07:06
kristogLarstiQ: no, you are right. sorry07:07
kristogLarstiQ: on lp you can find only the commit messages..07:07
ddaabazaar.launchpad.net IS launchpad07:07
ddaait's just one of the non-web services, but it's the same application07:08
sivanghmm, is there any bug reported or any plans to fix the odd feedback to LP name display on a spec's details page, in the left facelet ?07:13
sivangfor instance, if we take a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/make-free-space-wizard , there a feedback request there, but I have no idea whom it came from and it's aligned and attached to my name in $NAME:$FEEDBACK manner, which really confuses.07:14
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LarstiQkristog: I meant a commit action having a possible post_commit action. Of course, lp could scan on push.07:29
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jordikiko: I'm leaving07:53
jordikiko: tell us something about that doc07:53
kikohmm07:55
kikojordi, point 4 is badly justified.07:56
kikojustify it by pointing out that people depend on online services which are also not open source, without qualms07:56
kikojustify it also by pointing out that we have an open specification process, and that people that are willing to put in time to help us design good features can contribute07:57
kikojordi, should I send these in through email?08:01
jordikiko: er08:02
jordiprobably, because I don't have the time to fix it now08:02
kikook.08:02
jorditia08:02
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flacoste-lunchkiko: ping08:29
kikoflacoste, I don't think I will have time to chat today -- can it be tomorrow? or alternatively, can SteveA or salgado help you?08:29
flacostekiko: they sure can, i need instruction on how to setup a celebrity for the expiration script08:29
kikocool08:30
flacostesalgado, SteveA: ^^^08:30
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carlossee you tomorrow!!!08:37
SteveAjordi: around still?08:39
SteveAflacoste: you want to make a new celebrity?08:39
flacosteSteveA: yes, i'm adding an expire-tickets.py script08:40
SteveAwhat would the celebrity be?08:40
flacosteSteveA: 'Support Tracker Janitor' or 'Support Request Expirer' or whatever 08:41
SteveAso that a "Person or Team" is responsible for the actions of the script?08:41
flacosteSteveA: exactly08:41
SteveAok08:41
SteveAthe first question to ask yourself is, do we have a Team that fits this role well already08:42
SteveAif so, then use that team08:42
SteveAif not, we need a new Person/Team for this08:42
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flacosteSteveA: apart from the admin Team, I don't see any of the existing celebrities meaningful in that context08:43
kikomalcc, cprov: can I get an opinion up at https://launchpad.net/products/soyuz/+bug/50399 -- ?08:44
UbugtuMalone bug 50399 in soyuz "Broken links at /people/$person/+packages" [High,In progress]  08:44
kikomalcc, cprov: I'm not sure what the right fix is -- should distro release pages exist for the removed packages?08:44
SteveAflacoste: not just celebrities, but Teams that exist already08:45
SteveAfor example, the shipit admins team is used for some particular things in shipit08:45
flacosteSteveA: you mean on Launchpad?08:45
SteveAyes, in production08:45
cprovkiko: yes, I've fixed the base methods sometime ago08:45
SteveAif you know of any, that's fine08:45
SteveAif you don't, that's fine too.  we'll create a new one.08:45
cprovkiko: but, there is a space constraint in that page that we should consider08:46
flacosteSteveA: you think it should be a team?08:46
kikocprov, cool comment on the bug08:46
cprovkiko: yup08:46
SteveAflacoste: yes.  we don't have an explicit distinction between a person, a team and a robot08:48
SteveAI think we should do but we haven't thought it through yet08:48
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SteveAso our convention is that scripts that need a personality in launchpad get a team08:48
SteveAand perhaps, the person responsible for the script should be in the team08:49
SteveAI think we'll have robots eventually08:49
flacosteSteveA: some simple searches didn't turn out any team that suits the purpose08:49
mhbhm ... (this is really not the best place to ask, but) how can you add a Wiki: URL  entry in your LP team account? I can't seem to find the right place where to do that ...08:49
SteveAto add the celeb, you need a name for the team, get it added to sample data, add it manually to production (saves a DB patch)08:49
kikomhb, that's good ole bug 2369!08:50
UbugtuMalone bug 2369 in launchpad "Some people don't have a Ubuntu WikiName" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/236908:50
SteveAand then add it as a celebrity08:50
flacosteSteveA: ok, what do you think of Support Tracker Administrators? we already have Rosetta Administrators, Bounty Administrators, etc.08:51
SteveAsure, that's a good precedent to follow08:51
SteveAunless we have a new name for the support tracker :-)08:51
SteveAis it "the answer machine" or something now?08:51
kikowe don't have a name for it, though questions and answers was good...08:52
SteveAQandA08:52
SteveAQuanda08:52
flacostewe have Answers and Questions, but the discussion never reached a conclusion, although most people thought that Support was fine08:52
kikostop brandifying08:52
kikoI think support is a no-go 08:52
SteveAQue?08:52
kikobecause of the confusion with commercial services08:53
kikoright now the code has some bent towards "tickets", btw.08:53
kikothere is precedent08:53
kikoand people are even using it to place requests on launchpad admins!08:53
kikoscary08:53
flacostekiko: i know, but the thing is that the plan is to turn the thing in a support market eventually, we'll have to rename it again at that time08:53
SteveAwhat does google call these things...?08:53
SteveAgoogle answers I think08:53
kikoflacoste, I am not sure the plan will pan out like that.08:53
BjornTSteveA, flacoste: fwiw, i don't think a team is always a good choice for "script personalities". for example, if the UI will show that this person/team changed a ticket, then it looks really weird if a team did the change.08:54
mhbkiko: and the best workaround for that is?08:54
flacosteBjornT, SteveA: in that case, it will08:54
SteveABjornT: what will look weird?08:54
kikomhb, add the wikilink to the team's homepage content.08:54
mhbok08:54
flacostewe will see a message from the Support Tracker Team08:55
SteveASupport tracker admins ?08:55
flacosteSteveA: right08:55
BjornTSteveA: if a ticket was closed by the Suppport Tracker Team, with a few members. who did the change? why did the team end up as the "changer", and not the one who did the change?08:55
SteveAI think it meakes sense that the support tracker admins are administring the support tracker08:55
SteveAthe homepage text can explain that it's a robot08:56
SteveAthat closes old tickets or whatever it needs to do08:56
SteveAbut I don't mind either way.08:56
SteveAas I said, I think we'll have explicit robots in not so long anyway08:56
BjornTbut if it's called Support Tracker Admins, it should have members that can admin the support tracker, shouldn't it?08:57
flacosteBjornT: that makes sense, but is outside of the scope of the current requirement08:57
kiko-zzzBjornT, we could add launchpad admins to that team!08:57
flacosteBjornT, SteveA: maybe I should use a person named 'Support Tracker Janitor'08:58
BjornTflacoste: yeah. my point was that if that team has real members, it can't really have a description explaining that it's a robot. and it it's named like a robot, it doesn't really make sense to have it as a team.08:58
flacosteBjornT: i'll go with the Janitor then, it's more specific and to the point08:59
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SteveAflacoste: that's fine09:02
SteveAthanks for the discussion flacoste, BjornT 09:02
flacosteyeah, thank you both!09:02
flacosteSteveA: btw, did you receive my email regarding UDS?09:02
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SteveAflacoste: just seen it now09:04
SteveAI've highlighted it, and I'll reply tomorrow09:04
flacosteSteveA: ok, thanks09:05
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_Nightwish_hi09:26
_Nightwish_danilos, jel si prisutan?09:27
danilos_Nightwish_: jesam, al' te nista ne razumem ;)09:27
_Nightwish_odlicno09:28
_Nightwish_a ja ne mogu da ti saljem private09:28
_Nightwish_jel nisam regovan09:28
_Nightwish_kako da ugasim nalog na launchpadu?09:28
_Nightwish_ne vredi09:28
LarstiQwhat language is that?09:28
_Nightwish_ja tebi ne mogu da saljem09:28
_Nightwish_Serbian09:29
danilos_Nightwish_: hm, da li si bilo sta radio na launchpad.net?09:29
_Nightwish_ne09:29
LarstiQ_Nightwish_: haven't seen it before, not sure how it would sound09:29
danilos_Nightwish_: pa otkud ti nalog? uvezen iz Debiana, neke Bugzille ili?09:29
_Nightwish_mozda sam se regovao, davno09:30
_Nightwish_negde09:30
_Nightwish_ali nisam koristio09:30
_Nightwish_i juce se regujem i vidim da sad imam dva naloga09:30
danilosLarstiQ: you might get a chance to hear it on AllHands2006 if you're coming ;)09:30
_Nightwish_pa bih jedan da ugasim09:30
danilos_Nightwish_: onda koristi +mergeaccounts09:30
LarstiQdanilos: I'm not a Hand, so no ;)09:30
danilostime ces spojiti oba, odnosno ugasiti drugi09:30
_Nightwish_kako to da izvedem?09:30
danilosLarstiQ: ah, ok, I've seen you around a lot, so I just guessed you are :P09:31
_Nightwish_sta je allhands 2006?09:31
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LarstiQdanilos: nope, just an active bzr user :)09:32
danilos_Nightwish_: cek da pogledam tacno09:32
_Nightwish_ok09:32
_Nightwish_LarstiQ, where are U from?09:33
danilos_Nightwish_: https://launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge i launchpad.net/faq09:33
_Nightwish_thx09:34
_Nightwish_danilos, are u busy?09:34
danilos_Nightwish_: sort of, why do you wonder; btw, lets keep Serbian in #launchpad-serbian09:35
_Nightwish_ok09:35
LarstiQ_Nightwish_: The Netherlands.09:35
SteveALarstiQ: hey, cool.  I'm moving there soon.09:36
LarstiQSteveA: you are? Cool!09:36
LarstiQSteveA: which part?09:36
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SteveALarstiQ: Amsterdam09:37
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LarstiQok, that's decently visitable for me.09:38
bradbanywhere with a red light district is!09:38
bradber09:38
LarstiQbradb: I could stay in Den Haag if I wanted that :P09:38
bradbheh09:39
SteveAThere are more straightforward and cheaper ways of shopping for groceries.09:40
SteveALarstiQ: where in NL are you?09:40
_Nightwish_danilos, i did ti. thx!09:40
LarstiQSteveA: Den Haag / The Hague.09:40
danilos_Nightwish_: no problem, glad you made it ;)09:40
_Nightwish_danilos, could you check something for me? i started to translate wiki page, could u look at it?09:41
danilos_Nightwish_: sure, but I don't really understand where do you want me to help?09:41
_Nightwish_just to see if all is ok09:41
_Nightwish_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto_sr09:42
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flacosteBjornT, SteveA: ping09:44
danilos_Nightwish_: looks fine to me ;)09:45
danilos_Nightwish_: except that it should be Cyrillic :P09:46
_Nightwish_ql, thx again09:46
_Nightwish_yea, i forgoted, u are from gnome team? right?09:46
SteveAflacoste: yep?09:47
flacosteSteveA: should I give a password, email address to the celebrity?09:47
SteveALarstiQ: sure, then when I am actually there, we should meet up and experience gezelligheid09:47
LarstiQhaha :)09:48
LarstiQSteveA: sure, I'd like that.09:48
LarstiQSteveA: where did you learn 'gezelligheid' from?09:48
SteveAoriginally , martijn faassen09:48
SteveAik auk spreek een klein bitje nederlands09:50
SteveA(althoiugh I can't spell it)09:50
SteveAflacoste: I don't know.  The minimum necessary not to break things, I think09:50
LarstiQSteveA: we'll get you up to speed, don't worry :)09:53
LarstiQSteveA: might I ask why you're moving over?09:53
SteveAlots of reasons :-)09:57
SteveAand cute girls who ride bicycles everywhere might be one of them09:57
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danilos_Nightwish_: right, among other things ;)09:58
_Nightwish_danilos, kako placaju ovi iz kanonikala?09:58
danilos_Nightwish_: samo forinte, kao vole madjare i tako to ;)09:59
BjornTflacoste: i think you should give the celebrity a confirmed email address, but not a password.09:59
_Nightwish_danilos, lol09:59
danilos_Nightwish_: inace, sasvim solidno :)09:59
flacosteBjornT: what's the best way to create such a person? INSERT INTO or use an API method in make harness?09:59
SteveAyou'll need to prepare a database patch for production10:01
SteveAthat inserts that item10:02
SteveAor at least a thing for stu to do10:02
SteveAand also to update the sample data to include that record10:02
flacosteSteveA: once I've got the person in sample data, it is easy to do the DB patch, it's just the initial records in sample data that I'm wondering how to create?10:02
BjornTflacoste: the safest way is probably to create a script that creates the person using PersonSet. but INSERT statements would work as well.10:02
BjornTflacoste: you can't to it as a real db patch, though. you have to leave it in schema/pending, and make sure that stub runs it when rolling out the revision.10:03
flacosteBjornT: ok, i'll update sample data using PersonSEt and create a SQL script in pending for that10:04
SteveAit can be done on production immediately your code passes review10:04
SteveAso, it doesn't need to be synchronized exactly with the rollout10:04
BjornTflacoste: you should talk to salgado about this person creation, though. he is currently adding a creation rationale to all Persons, and this celebrity would need a creation rationale as well.10:05
flacosteBjornT: thanks for reminding me of that10:06
salgadoBjornT, flacoste, I guess we need a new item in PersonCreationRationale to use in entries like the bugzilla importer and this one the support tracker janitor. what do you guys think?10:10
flacostesalgado: something like ROBOT?10:10
BjornTsalgado: yeah, i think so too.10:11
salgadoflacoste, I was thinking of something like LAUNCHPAD_REQUIRED10:11
salgadoso that we can use it for other things that are not actual robots, if we ever have any of them10:12
flacostesalgado: more generic, indeed10:12
flacosteBjornT: do you have a suggestion for the email address?10:14
flacosteBjornT: more precisely, should it be a valid email address?10:14
BjornTsalgado: if we don't have any other use cases for LAUNCHPAD_REQUIRED, i think it doesn't hurt to be more specific.10:14
flacostesupport-tracker-janitor(at)launchpad.net?10:16
salgadoBjornT, agreed. but I don't like ROBOT because it doesn't make much sense as a rationale. do you have any idea on what to call it?10:16
BjornTflacoste: how about janitor@tickets.lp.net?10:16
flacosteBjornT: i prefer yours! should I file a RT to make than address work, currently, it will be dropped by our incoming processor10:17
flacosteBjornT: actually, the current domain for incoming support email is support.launchpad.net10:18
BjornTflacoste: not sure if it's worth making a special mailbox for it yet. it's a valid address, emails sent to it will end up in the launchpad-error-reports list.10:19
BjornTflacoste: right. it should be on the support domain.10:19
flacosteBjornT: ok, I'll use janitor@support.launchpad.net 10:19
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BjornTsalgado: i don't like ROBOT as a creation rational either. can't think of anything better atm, though.10:21
SteveAit is really funny to use robot actually10:25
SteveAbecause that means "traffic light" in south africa10:25
bradbI, Traffic Light10:26
flacosteBjornT: why is is_valid_person still False after createPersonAndEmail and validateAndEnsurePrefferedEmail?10:26
LarstiQbradb: heh10:27
BjornTflacoste: because it doesn't have a password. i don't think you want it to be a valid person, do you? i.e. do you want it to be possible for example assign tickets or bugs to it?10:27
flacosteBjornT: no10:27
BjornTok, so that it's good that it's not a valid person.10:28
flacosteBjornT: fine, I was just afraid that something might break if that wasn't the case10:28
flacosteto what DB, make harness connects to?10:30
salgadolaunchpad_dev10:30
flacostehmm, ok10:31
flacosteso i should see my changes after a transaction.commit()10:31
salgadoI guess you need transactionmgr.commit()10:32
BjornTflacoste: not sure transaction.commit() works in make harness. if not, use transactionmgr.commit() instead.10:32
kiko-zzzI don't think it does so yes10:32
flacostetransactionmgr? from where does this comes from?10:32
BjornTflacoste: if you look in canonical/database/harness.py you see that it's the result from a initZopeless call10:33
flacostei see, it is a globs 10:34
flacostei don't need to import it10:34
kiko-zzzyou don't need to import anything in harness.py!10:38
kiko-zzzit comes with battery included10:39
kiko-zzzit is "the future" as salgado likes to say10:39
sivangkiko-zzz: you could reimport some of the stuff just to make the test probably clearer. Python will disregard it anyways if it's already in IIRC.10:40
kiko-zzzsivang, shh, don't bring facts into this discussion10:45
sivangHAHA10:45
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ddaaas a matter of fact10:57
ddaalifeless once told me he wanted to hack python so it would automatically try to imports names that are not found in the global scope10:58
ddaaso maybe it is _indeed_ the future :)10:58
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LarstiQwhat happened with explicit is better than implicit?11:01
LarstiQalready there are lookup rules people not familiar with python will trip over.11:02
ddaathat was back when lifeless had not had enough Python Kool-Aid, I presume11:02
lifelesswell11:03
lifelessthe point was that if there was a single explicit name in the namespace11:03
lifelessthen bringing in names is predictable11:03
lifelessand the '4 billion' imports problem goes away11:03
lifelessin fact, I was given some good advice on how to make it happen as a module. Perhaps I should just get around to it11:04
ddaayeah, I can imagine you could make it work using the right black magic11:04
lifelessoh yeah, good morning $folk11:05
LarstiQhi lifeless :)11:08
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