[03:39] <Madpilot> Why did the -artwork ML just get a whole bunch of old emails sent to it?
[03:39] <Madpilot> stuff from June...
[03:40] <Viper550> I don't know!
[07:10] <troy_s> madpilot i suspect someone forwarded them
[07:10] <Madpilot> troy_s, the odd emails? They didn't look like forwards
[07:11] <troy_s> some of them are for certain -- you can see that in the header.  but i don't really understand it.
[07:11] <troy_s> one minute i had 24 messages in my inbox
[10:19] <ppd> troy_s: hi. have you received my email?
[12:40] <lapo> hi
[12:59] <effraie> hi all
[01:08] <bersace> hi effraie
[01:08] <effraie> ;)
[01:09] <effraie> bersace, /me cry for ppc poor user who can't use xaralx open-source...
[01:09] <bersace> lol
[01:09] <bersace> xaralx is not so good
[01:09] <effraie> ah?
[01:09] <bersace> it has good svg functionnalities
[01:10] <bersace> but the GUI is quite ugly imho
[01:10] <effraie> ok
[01:10] <bersace> far from HIG :)
[01:10] <effraie> but i want to make my own opinion, you know
[01:10] <bersace> (where inkscape goes)
[01:10] <effraie> it seems to be powerful
[01:10] <bersace> anyway, it has good svg feature, i'm sure that inkscape is going to implement such features
[01:11] <bersace> they add svg features each releases
[01:11] <effraie> that right
[01:11] <bersace> about artwork
[01:11] <bersace> is the pink a joke ?
[01:11] <lapo> never used xara, which are the funky feature is has which inkscape doesn't?
[01:11] <effraie> yes, a private joke
[01:12] <lapo> s/is/it/
[01:12] <effraie> lapo: i can't use it on my ubuntu/ppc
[01:12] <bersace> do sabdfl want a black boot theme, then a pink login screen then orange gnome splash, and a brown desktop bg
[01:13] <effraie> it will be the gloubiboulga caumunity them, bersace
[01:13] <lapo> omg, my all those colors make my head spin :-)
[01:13] <effraie> caumunity/community
[01:15] <effraie> bersace: what pink are you speaking about? i just realised i did'nt post the pink panel-bg i've done
[01:16] <bersace> lapo: dunno
[01:16] <bersace> lapo: seems xaralx support gradient that fit a path
[01:16] <bersace> s/fit/follow/
[01:16] <bersace> or similar features
[01:16] <lapo> would be cool
[01:17] <lapo> I'd love a perspective distorsion matrix
[01:17] <bersace> effraie:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Polish/Incoming/LastMinuteRush
[01:18] <effraie> ok
[01:18] <lapo> bersace: uhm... is the artwork changing once again?
[01:19] <bersace> lapo: of course !
[01:19] <effraie> hum, IMHO, that gdm is great, and is not really pink (but quite) where better just a little more dark
[01:19] <bersace> don't you know that Ubuntu like last minute rush to produce artwork
[01:19] <lapo> bersace: bah, there is a lot of talking but no clear guidelines or coordination about all this artwork process
[01:19] <bersace> event if we spent hours organising it (like restructuring the wiki=
[01:19] <bersace> )
[01:19] <lapo> there was
[01:20] <effraie> bersace : did you seen it full screen? doesnt not feel pink in full screen
[01:20] <effraie> doesnt/does
[01:23] <bersace> effraie: right
[01:23] <bersace> but that's still pink
[01:24] <bersace> when i see my skin, its pale yellow
[01:24] <bersace> (with tches de rouceurs )
[01:24] <bersace> :P
[01:24] <effraie> lol
[01:24] <effraie> skin ubuntu, au pied de la lettre
[01:24] <bersace> lol
[01:25] <effraie> human...
[01:25] <bersace> if we want skin color, don't be cartoonish !
[01:25] <bersace> just take a shot of you skin and pick the a color !!!
[01:25] <effraie> summer skin or winter skin?
[01:32] <bersace> hh
[01:32] <bersace> south afrika skin !
[01:36] <PingunZ> I supose that means summer -_-
[01:38] <bersace> hh
[01:39] <PingunZ> Soo .. what's up whit the pink ?
[01:39] <PingunZ> Kubuntu growing purple .. ubuntu getting pink
[01:40] <effraie> one of you know how to hack gtk-themes in order to assign a panel-pg?
[01:40] <PingunZ> Gimme a sec .. you just want to change its color or the background image ?
[01:40] <PingunZ> Check out /.themes
[01:40] <PingunZ> there the gtkrc
[01:41] <PingunZ> and then hold on a second :)
[01:41] <effraie> no... i want that the gtk-theme automaticly associate a bg-panel.png , as it can be done with desktop-background
[01:41] <effraie> PingunZ: if you can do that, youur fabulous
[01:42] <PingunZ> effraie .. it can be done
[01:42] <PingunZ> with the pixmap engine
[01:42] <PingunZ> gimme a sec .. I'm trying to find out how :)
[01:42] <effraie> great!
[01:43] <effraie> so, i've got to make a bug-report on ubuntu-look engine, to implement the same
[01:43] <PingunZ> I think I've got it ..
[01:43] <PingunZ> I'll pastebin it
[01:44] <effraie> PingunZ: do you know if pixmaps rotate the background image in case of vertical panels?
[01:44] <PingunZ> No, they don't
[01:44] <effraie> ok
[01:45] <effraie> and can can associate different images for horizontal & vertical panels?
[01:45] <PingunZ> effraie: Just take a look at the LiNsta theme .. it uses the pixmap engine .. with a different panel bg ..
[01:45] <effraie> ok
[01:45] <PingunZ> Dunno effraie .. I think it can be done but that's just a guess ..
[01:45] <PingunZ> I'll link you to the linsta theme .. gimme a sec ;)
[01:45] <effraie> ok, thanks a lot
[01:46] <effraie> oh, i'll found it
[01:46] <PingunZ> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42697
[01:47] <PingunZ> effraie: Take a look at the description on gnome-look there is a short explanation how to change its look .. ;)
[01:48] <effraie> yes, i'm currently reading that description
[01:51] <PingunZ> O_o My compiz theme is ranked #1 at gnome-look ^^
[02:00] <effraie> which one is it?
[02:12] <PingunZ> Xristal
[05:14] <PingunZ> o_O I just checked out the new GDM .. te lastminuterush one ..
[05:15] <PingunZ> Err .. I don't like it .. at all
[05:32] <AnAnt> I removed the quiet option to get boot messages, the problem is that the boot messages are above the progress bar & corrupt it
[05:32] <AnAnt> is there a way to change the position in which the boot messages appear ?
[05:32] <AnAnt> and is there a way to use Dapper's splash in Edgy ?
[06:30] <Viper550> Hello...
[06:30] <Viper550> Anyone haven't seen my new wallpaper that I made? especially kwwii?
[06:31] <matt8806suomi> show us!
[06:31] <Viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Polish/Incoming/Viper550
[06:36] <matt8806suomi> how do i replace the startup splash screen
[06:37] <Viper550> you use edgy?
[06:41] <matt8806suomi> just about to upgrade to edgy
[08:32] <nysosym> hi all happy people! :)))
[08:48] <msikma> I wish I was one.
[08:49] <nysosym> but? msikma?
[09:12] <fschoep> Hello everyone
[09:17] <kwwii> hi fschoep
[09:17] <fschoep> Hey kwwii , how are you doing?
[09:17] <kwwii> I wonder which wallpaper Viper550 meant
[09:18] <fschoep> I don't get it - more info needed :)
[09:19] <Zoohouse> Hello everyone
[09:19] <fschoep> Hi Zoohouse
[09:19] <nysosym> hi fschoep :)
[09:19] <fschoep> Hi nysosym
[09:19] <Zoohouse> You guys know who I am? lol
[09:19] <fschoep> Sure
[09:19] <nysosym> no?
[09:20] <fschoep> Joel Montes de Oca
[09:20] <fschoep> Welcome
[09:20] <Zoohouse> I created this team long ago near the time when launchpad.net opened.
[09:20] <nysosym> fschoep: a short question, is the actually uspalsh theme the final one?
[09:21] <fschoep> nysosym: it shouldn't be
[09:21] <Zoohouse> I had a icon set concept in the making and I created this team to receive help.
[09:21] <fschoep> Zoohouse: :)
[09:21] <Zoohouse> But launchpad was still a bit limited
[09:21] <Zoohouse> wow, amazing that the team took off
[09:21] <fschoep> Zoohouse: that's a great bit of history
[09:22] <Zoohouse> brb phone
[09:22] <fschoep> k
[09:22] <nysosym> fschoep: jippi, any preview of the final one? :D
[09:23] <fschoep> nysosym: wrong question, we're working on it :-)
[09:23] <nysosym> i like the idea of kubuntu, with the black background and a glossy logo
[09:23] <fschoep> I see
[09:23] <fschoep> What do you like most about that one?
[09:23] <Zoohouse> ok back
[09:23] <kwwii> fschoep: good, how are you? sounds like a lot of stress at the moment
[09:24] <fschoep> kwwii: it's going, well, fine but a bit stressed indeed
[09:24] <fschoep> kwwii: managed to do some real actual work tonight regarding integration of the Theme Team work
[09:24] <nysosym> fschoep: at most, it is simple useful and very beautiful. :)
[09:24] <kwwii> fschoep: as long as you make it through this time, things will be fine :-)
[09:24] <fschoep> it's good to be able to actually *do* something instead of sending mails and pushing people around :)
[09:25] <kwwii> fschoep: this was kinda what I was afraid would happen in paris
[09:25] <fschoep> kwwii: hehe, October when kingdoms rise and kingdoms falls
[09:25] <fschoep> fall*
[09:25] <kwwii> fschoep: exactly :-)
[09:25] <fschoep> Anyway, don't worry - I'm doing fine and I full well know what went well and what went wrong :)
[09:26] <nysosym> what went wrong? :)
[09:26] <Zoohouse> Here is the original icon set I was putting together at the time: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=29443
[09:26] <fschoep> I'm pretty sure things'll work out even though it's been looking bleak at times ;)
[09:26] <kwwii> fschoep: yeah, I got that feeling from the results...I think things will work out in the end
[09:26] <kwwii> no matter how bleak it looks there is always a solution
[09:27] <fschoep> Yes :)
[09:27] <nysosym> Zoohouse: very good work, but a little bit inconsistent (the "people" icon for example)
[09:27] <kwwii> we are having a party in the house I live in...time to go get a beer...be back later :-)
[09:27] <fschoep> kwwii: got news on California already?
[09:27] <kwwii> fschoep: nope, you?
[09:27] <fschoep> kwwii: go and get your beer, cheers!
[09:27] <fschoep> kwwii: me neither
[09:27] <fschoep> kwwii: see you later this week probably
[09:27] <fschoep> kwwii: be good :0
[09:27] <kwwii> hehe, from what I have heard, we are both still on the internal list, so we'll see what happens
[09:28] <kwwii> see you later
[09:28] <Zoohouse> nysosym: right, also the help icon and such were inconsistent. I had plans of changing them in the near future.
[09:28] <fschoep> kwwii: cu
[09:30] <nysosym> fschoep: on which section do you work at moment? :)
[09:30] <Zoohouse> So how does the group function? Is all the communication done via the mailing list?
[09:30] <fschoep> nysosym: integrating Theme Team themes to Edgy
[09:30] <fschoep> Zoohouse: a lot is ML and a lot via the Wiki
[09:31] <fschoep> nysosym: so you can enjoy Blubuntu, Peace and Tropic pretty soon I guess
[09:31] <Zoohouse> What type of projects have you guys worked on?
[09:31] <fschoep> Zoohouse: mainly core distro artwork
[09:31] <fschoep> Zoohouse: but there's a lot more done during Edgy
[09:32] <nysosym> fschoep: oohh very nice i like blubuntu :)
[09:32] <fschoep> Zoohouse: Human theme, three side themes, new sounds, Firefox themes, Human iconset expansion, HighCon iconset work
[09:32] <fschoep> nysosym: Blubuntu is an awesome theme, I've been using it for a large part of the evening since I just packaged it :)
[09:33] <Zoohouse> How do you guys provide the art work? Do you provide it to the ubuntu team  or do you offer it to the end users as a DL?
[09:33] <nysosym> fschoep: shure, but i think that would never be a default "ubuntu" color, because "kubuntu" is blue.. :-/
[09:33] <fschoep> Zoohouse: we're doing distro work mainly
[09:33] <fschoep> Zoohouse: I'm in close contact with Daniel Holbach for packaging and uploading our work
[09:34] <fschoep> nysosym: indeed, but it's good to have Blubuntu added to the mix now
[09:35] <nysosym> fschoep: yes :))) , back to usplash, any chance to get a "ubuntu" version of the "kubuntu" style? :)
[09:35] <fschoep> Maybe, can you make one?
[09:35] <fschoep> ;)
[09:36] <nysosym> hmm, i dont know, but i will try it :)
[09:36] <fschoep> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/radial-light_overlay.gif
[09:36] <nysosym> 5.Oct is feature freaze :(((
[09:36] <fschoep> That's what I'm trying to get in there
[09:36] <fschoep> 7 september was feature freeze
[09:37] <nysosym> fschoep: O.o a LOT nicer than the kubuntu one :))))
[09:37] <fschoep> ;)
[09:37] <fschoep> I need to see it working first though
[09:38] <nysosym> i think this should be possible :)
[09:38] <fschoep> Indeed, but someone's gotta step up and do it.
[09:38] <fschoep> msikma did the graphics, I cropped them and Seveas should now implement it
[09:38] <fschoep> Not sure where we stand though
[09:39] <nysosym> wow, i could watch these "artwork" every hour a day :D
[09:39] <fschoep> Hehe
[09:39] <nysosym> hour=time
[09:39] <msikma> That's not the one.
[09:39] <Zoohouse> wow.. I'm a little confused though... See, when I created the team in 2005, I stepped away from the team (I was alone at the time) since launchpad was still in beta. Then I started school and what not and lost interest since no one seemed to join and help out, not to mention that the folks at #launchpad were not too friendly. How/why did people join a inactive team instead of building a new one?
[09:39] <msikma> That's an old version.
[09:39] <fschoep> msikma: I know, but it comes close right?
[09:39] <msikma> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/usplash_rlsl_7.gif
[09:39] <fschoep> OK, you win - I didn't have the link ready
[09:40] <msikma> I also made a Kubuntu one, but I'm not sure if anyone ever looked at it. http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/kubuntu_rlsl_6.gif
[09:40] <msikma> Probably doesn't fit in with their style, anyway.
[09:40] <fschoep> msikma: I saw the Kubuntu one and it's almost as good as the Ubuntu one except for the logo :)
[09:40] <msikma> Did I use a bad version of the logo?
[09:40] <fschoep> msikma: did you ever hear something from Seveas? Should I try to get in touch with him again?
[09:40] <msikma> I just pulled whichever one I could find.
[09:41] <nysosym> msikma: although a very very good work, but i prefer the "light" effect of the old one, but the logo placement is much better in the new one :)
[09:41] <fschoep> msikma: No, it's the Kubuntu logo, it was a joke.
[09:41] <msikma> Actually, no. I've been pretty busy, so I haven't really paid attention.
[09:41] <fschoep> msikma: No problem, I'll try to sort it out.
[09:41] <msikma> Ah, hehe
[09:41] <fschoep> msikma: You were going to California, right / wrong?
[09:41] <msikma> I'm sorry that I'm a little, er, unwilling to handle that side of Ubuntu Art.
[09:41] <msikma> Not me.
[09:41] <msikma> I'm staying in Rotterdam.
[09:42] <fschoep> Funny thing is we're all (you, Dennis and I) from NL and we're talking English almost all of the time.
[09:42] <msikma> I feel so out of touch.
[09:42] <msikma> I don't even know where we stand at Ubuntu Art.
[09:42] <fschoep> Oh, no problem. Do you want an update?
[09:43] <nysosym> yes :D
[09:43] <msikma> Then I got a message from Troy about the fact some of the art won't be accepted (which, arguably, might also be a very good thing; I simply don't know since I haven't been around to check the integrity of all submitted art).
[09:43] <msikma> I'm a little lost. But you don't need to update me right now; I'm working on something. I'll be sure to listen to an explanation later, though.
[09:43] <fschoep> OK, great.
[09:43] <fschoep> nysosym: sorry ;)
[09:43] <msikma> (And this is supposed to be done yesterday.) :)
[09:44] <fschoep> msikma: We're getting on the right track though, so we'll probably have acceptable artwork for release.
[09:44] <msikma> I can tell... I wrote this ActionScript... a year ago? It's terrible.
[09:44] <nysosym> fschoep: hmm okay, i like it to try ^^
[09:44] <msikma> I was planning on just ignoring most of the process, coming up with my own theme, and somehow submitting it, whether for main artwork or as a separate package. Either way, I'd just like to show how I would do it.
[09:45] <fschoep> msikma: I know, that's the easiest way to get something in :)
[09:45] <fschoep> msikma: I'm packaging the Theme Team stuff right now
[09:45] <msikma> I wish I knew how to GDM/Metacity.
[09:46] <nysosym> *looks very happy* :D
[09:46] <fschoep> You rip an existing one, modify some gfx and give it to me :)
[09:46] <msikma> nysosym: hi there :)
[09:46] <fschoep> That's what the others did
[09:47] <nysosym> hi msikma :)
[09:47] <msikma> fschoep: I perhaps could do that. I wonder how long it'll take. I usually end up too tired after work to do serious stuff except when it's business.
[09:47] <msikma> My GDM is pretty complicated, though.
[09:47] <msikma> I think.
[09:47] <fschoep> msikma: I understand, and indeed GDM and GTK/Metacity is nuts
[09:47] <Zoohouse> I see that Troy James Sobotka is now the team owner
[09:47] <nysosym> where can i watch them msikma (the GDM theme) :)
[09:47] <fschoep> Zoohouse: indeed
[09:47] <fschoep> nysosym: wait two days, they'll be in main then
[09:48] <fschoep> I think*
[09:48] <msikma> nysosym: I'll upload my mockup
[09:48] <nysosym> 2 day, a long time. ^^ :)
[09:48] <nysosym> msikma: thx :)
[09:49] <nysosym> its very good too see any "action" in this channel. :)))
[09:49] <fschoep> Right :)
[09:50] <fschoep> Zoohouse: you might enjoy reading this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan
[09:50] <msikma> http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/michielgtk14.png <-- hmm, this is not the latest version, but it's only one I have online right now. Some things have already been changed since then.
[09:50] <msikma> (sliders, scroll bars are way different now)
[09:50] <msikma> (I've also modified the inactive tabs)
[09:51] <msikma> Here's how the sliders work in the new version: http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28695/slider_test.png
[09:51] <Zoohouse> fschoep: Im glad i wasn't kicked out of the group or I might have known the fate of the team. heh
[09:51] <nysosym> msikma: ohh very lovely! :)
[09:51] <fschoep> Zoohouse: :)
[09:51] <fschoep> Zoohouse: are you looking to join the action again?
[09:52] <msikma> nysosym: thank you :)
[09:52] <msikma> Unfortunately, that's currently the extent of my abilities.
[09:52] <msikma> As far as GDM goes, that is.
[09:52] <fschoep> GTK you mean?
[09:53] <nysosym> msikma: i like your abilities ;)
[09:53] <Zoohouse> fschoep:  I will sure try. By they way have you seen Xara yet? Its a killer vector app.
[09:53] <fschoep> Zoohouse: yes, Xara is very good.
[09:54] <fschoep> Zoohouse: current Edgy artwork was made with Xara
[09:54] <Zoohouse> oh?
[09:54] <msikma> er, GTK
[09:54] <msikma> :P
[09:54] <fschoep> msikma: no problem, I was a bit confused by your message :)
[09:55] <nysosym> fschoep: where can i get xara? :)
[09:55] <fschoep> nysosym: xaraxtreme.org
[09:55] <fschoep> nysosym: enjoy!
[09:56] <nysosym> i use inkscape only at moment and miss many features..
[09:56] <nysosym> ohh cool, big thx :)
[09:56] <msikma> It's time for a good old... "what are you listening to?"
[09:56] <msikma> But with a twist.
[09:56] <msikma> This time, it's "What are you listening to and what are you drinking?"
[09:57] <msikma> I'm listening to Tom Waits - Telephone Call from Istanbul while drinking English tea with milk.,
[09:57] <fschoep> Oh dear, sounds like a standard forum thing, not :)?
[09:57] <fschoep> Well I'm listening to Lyla by Oasis on iTunes, drinking nothing.
[09:57] <nysosym> The Killers - Sam's Town and a lot of coffee :D
[09:57] <msikma> Nah, it's more like an IRC/blog thing.
[09:58] <msikma> I used to drink a lot of coffee. But not anymore. I think it's because I became more picky.
[09:58] <fschoep> I ordered an Apple USB keyboard so I can use my Macbook in clamshell mode on my big screen
[09:59] <fschoep> Wish me luck
[09:59] <msikma> Good luck :)
[09:59] <nysosym> *wish luck*
[09:59] <Cadet> G'nite.
[09:59] <fschoep> Thanks
[09:59] <fschoep> He Cadet
[09:59] <fschoep> You've only just joined us
[09:59] <msikma> I'm getting tired of this Apple keyboard. I'm getting a different one.
[09:59] <nysosym> *although use a macbook* :)))
[10:00] <fschoep> Ever since I started working on Edgy I've used a Macbook with OS X. Feels a bit weird :)
[10:00] <nysosym> sure, OSX is very nice edgy although i think
[10:00] <Zoohouse> fschoep: When users create the art, how do they send it in for review? Do they just place it in the wiki?
[10:00] <msikma> I used to always work on Windows due to the cost of an Apple. Now I'm running an Intel iMac 20" inch and happily dual booting with Ubuntu.
[10:00] <fschoep> Zoohouse: yes, and post to the ML
[10:01] <fschoep> msikma: Ubuntu boots natively on those machines?
[10:01] <msikma> Cool, downloading a vital file for this project I'm working on at a _stunning_ 500 bytes/s.
[10:01] <nysosym> fschoep: bash me but i preffer OSX a little bit *duck and run*
[10:01] <fschoep> I can't get mine to boot graphically
[10:01] <msikma> fschoep: sure, but you need to fix it up after you get it.
[10:01] <msikma> I hope that Edgy will fix that.
[10:01] <fschoep> msikma: I see
[10:01] <msikma> It's terrible.
[10:01] <msikma> I remember Warty making me do that. I didn't expect Dapper to.
[10:01] <fschoep> msikma: Indeed
[10:02] <fschoep> msikma: I could stand Ubuntu on my MB, but Windows is a no-go
[10:02] <nysosym> hmm edgy works fine on mine macbook :)
[10:02] <msikma> I still have Windows, but on an emulator.
[10:02] <fschoep> msikma: like, Parallels?
[10:02] <msikma> nysosym: glad to hear that :)
[10:02] <fschoep> or VMware on Ubuntu?
[10:02] <msikma> fschoep: I experimented with Parallels, and it's brilliant, but I felt bad about using it so I'm now using Q (with Qemu frontend).
[10:03] <fschoep> Why feel bad using Parallels?
[10:03] <msikma> Because I never paid for it.
[10:03] <fschoep> Me neither, I've got zillions of trial codes though
[10:03] <fschoep> I was considering purchasing it
[10:03] <fschoep> Because it's a very useful tool for development
[10:03] <msikma> Bah, even 500 bytes/s wasn't good enough. The download got interrupted.
[10:04] <msikma> Qemu works excellently. It's a free and open source emulator. It's slower than Parallels, but it works.
[10:04] <fschoep> msikma: right, maybe I'll try that one in the future
[10:04] <fschoep> Right now, I only have and need OS X on my MB
[10:04] <msikma> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
[10:04] <msikma> Something to check out if you have the time. If you have Parallels, it's not necessary.
[10:04] <fschoep> I know QEMU, been using it for ages on Linux before VMware player went free
[10:04] <msikma> Unless you want to run it on Ubuntu.
[10:04] <msikma> Ah :)
[10:05] <fschoep> VMware player > Parallels
[10:05] <msikma> I was kind of surprised that such a major emulator was around.
[10:05] <fschoep> But they're making progress
[10:05] <nysosym> why u didn use bootcamp fschoep?
[10:05] <fschoep> Because I didn't get Ubuntu booting natively without hassles
[10:06] <msikma> I feel your pain.
[10:06] <fschoep> And I don't want to futz around too much, if it doesn't work I choose something else
[10:06] <msikma> It's terrible to have to mess with that.
[10:06] <fschoep> And on top of that, OS X is all I need for work
[10:06] <fschoep> I can run Edgy on my workstation
[10:06] <nysosym> hmm strange, edgy works well here
[10:06] <fschoep> OS X is leaps ahead on many fronts
[10:06] <fschoep> But that's another discussion
[10:06] <nysosym> sure i love osx ^^
[10:07] <fschoep> I use my Macbook live on stage for DSP processing
[10:07] <fschoep> Somehow I don't see Ubuntu doing that anytime soon
[10:08] <msikma> Not until the art team is given more freedom, anyway.
[10:08] <nysosym> linux is very very good, no question. But OSX is better i think
[10:08] <fschoep> Well, it depends
[10:08] <fschoep> OS X has a good commercial software selection
[10:09] <fschoep> Apple makes some nice software like iLife and iWork
[10:09] <msikma> If the artwork team is granted freedom, we will be able to actually position Ubuntu on the market in a different way than "linux distro".
[10:09] <fschoep> But the Linux kernel is probably better than Darwin
[10:09] <msikma> That should bootstrap it in the consumer market.
[10:09] <fschoep> msikma: I see, tell Mark that :)
[10:09] <msikma> It's very easy to say that in two sentences on IRC.
[10:10] <msikma> I've been meaning to write it down in detail. The sole reason why I haven't done that is because I think it will be dismissed.
[10:10] <fschoep> Right, I feel your pain
[10:10] <fschoep> "Fix Edgy kthxbye"
[10:10] <msikma> I think you do.
[10:10] <fschoep> No, that's just kidding
[10:11] <msikma> Unfortunately, I don't have any marketing credentials, but I've at least had one year of a marketing education, and a general interest in it in general (I quit because I wanted to design.)
[10:11] <msikma> general in genera
[10:11] <msikma> hmm
[10:11] <fschoep> Maybe you could try talking to Corey?
[10:11] <msikma> Does he do marketing?
[10:11] <fschoep> He's in the martketing team.
[10:11] <fschoep> Yes, Burgundavia on IRC.
[10:11] <msikma> Well then I should kick his ass.
[10:11] <fschoep> Liked by some, despised by others :)
[10:12] <msikma> He hasn't done a good job in convincing Mark that design is the absolute most important aspect of a product's marketing strategy by far.
[10:12] <nysosym> hehe ^^
[10:12] <fschoep> :)
[10:12] <msikma> I'm not kidding or trying to help out my team.
[10:12] <msikma> This is truth.
[10:13] <fschoep> I see, you should talk to troy_s about him :)
[10:14] <fschoep> I'm just trying to do what I think needs doing and sometimes it goes well and other times it goes a bit awry.
[10:14] <fschoep> When I uploaded Troy's design (current) the Canonical Deathstar fired at me :)
[10:14] <fschoep> Well, we're fixing it for now
[10:15] <nysosym> Ohhh
[10:15] <fschoep> nysosym: what's up my brother?
[10:15] <msikma> We haven't hit the polish phase yet, have we?
[10:15] <fschoep> msikma: we did
[10:15] <msikma> For now, regarding artwork, that's really all I would like to know.
[10:15] <msikma> shucks
[10:15] <nysosym> fired at me << NEVER!!!! :)))
[10:15] <fschoep> msikma: but ...
[10:16] <fschoep> msikma: polish isn't actually polishing
[10:16] <msikma> That means I'll actually need to start working soon.
[10:16] <fschoep> msikma: we're creating new designs that fit in with Mark's directions
[10:16] <msikma> Are we behind on schedule like schoolboys?
[10:16] <msikma> :)
[10:16] <fschoep> msikma: depends
[10:16] <fschoep> msikma: safe answer: yes
[10:16] <msikma> "This week's the week in which we're wrapping up our essay, so let's get started with writing it."
[10:16] <fschoep> msikma: it isn't funny because it's true :)
[10:17] <fschoep> I'm going to write to Daniel now, brb
[10:17] <nysosym> :)
[10:17] <msikma> That's okay. From here on, I'd rate a GDM, a usplash, a wallpaper and a suggestion to ditch the stupid Human icon theme at about 8 hours.
[10:18] <nysosym> hmm i like the human icon theme *shame*
[10:18] <msikma> For me personally anyway. I no longer have to research what I need to design and how it should be done.
[10:18] <msikma> There are a number of reasons why I don't think it's viable. Some of them are simply design mistakes that should have been avoided very early on in the process, but haven't because whoever made it didn't plan it out well enough.
[10:19] <msikma> Well, I'm all out of tea.
[10:19] <nysosym> sure
[10:19] <nysosym> i will agree with u
[10:20] <nysosym> have fun, i will make me an another cup of coffee :D
[10:20] <msikma> hehe
[10:20] <msikma> I am going to get tea
[10:24] <Zoohouse> hummm... I'm interested in this section: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Marketing
[10:29] <AnAnt> is there a way to use Dapper's usplash in Edgy ?
[10:36] <Viper550> As a request by someone, I have to port Dapper's Usplash theme to the new Edgy system
[10:36] <AnAnt> that's me
[10:36] <nysosym> wb fschoep :)
[10:37] <fschoep> nysosym: Hi, my MB went to sleep and disconnected :)
[10:37] <nysosym> no problem :)
[10:37] <nysosym> fschoep: short question, how can i make backgrounds in xara transparent?
[10:37] <fschoep> Oh dear
[10:38] <fschoep> Use RGB+Alpha?
[10:38] <fschoep> During export?
[10:38] <fschoep> Or during design?
[10:38] <nysosym> export :)
[10:38] <nysosym> export to *svg doesn't really work
[10:38] <fschoep> Right, I'm not sure if it supports that yet I think I read about it on the forums
[10:38] <Viper550> So basically, he needs the text enabled
[10:39] <fschoep> Hey Viper550 how are you doing?
[10:39] <Zoohouse> fschoep: Who/How is items in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Marketing used? Is it for clubs or is it used by the company? I'm a tad interested in that section
[10:39] <Viper550> Good, I'm doing a little "project" for AnAnt, porting Dapper's splash theme to Edgy
[10:39] <fschoep> Viper550: right, you're always full of energy it seems :)
[10:39] <fschoep> Zoohouse: I have no idea
[10:39] <Viper550> yep, I'm just eager to get stuff done!
[10:40] <fschoep> Zoohouse: if you want to do something marketing related, try Corey Burger
[10:40] <fschoep> Zoohouse: Burgundavia on IRC
[10:40] <fschoep> Zoohouse: 	corey.burger@gmail.com
[10:41] <Zoohouse> thx
[10:41] <Viper550> Okay, so first I have to make the backgrounds black and paste in the logo?
[10:43] <Zoohouse> i have been making a little spoof on a poster put out by my college for MS. The experience has been good. http://usalug.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9678&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0
[10:43] <fschoep> Need login, can you post raw material?
[10:46] <nysosym> hmmm svg export does't work with xara...
[10:46] <lapo> hi
[10:46] <fschoep> Hi lapo
[10:46] <nysosym> nothing can open these files...
[10:46] <nysosym> hi lapo :)
[10:49] <AnAnt> Viper550: is the result going to be a deb file or what ?
[10:49] <Viper550> I'm not quite sure at the moment
[10:50] <AnAnt> k
[10:50] <Viper550> fschoep, is it easier just to replace the graphics, and recode it to use text or use the aptly titled testcard.c file instead?
[10:51] <fschoep> I think reusing testcard is simpler, but I'm not really sure.
[10:51] <Viper550> I still want the nice progress bar display, but he wanted text
[10:51] <fschoep> I see
[10:51] <fschoep> Then I'd definitely use testcard and try to copy the progress bar code
[10:51] <fschoep> The text stuff is more complex I think
[10:52] <Viper550> He wanted text, and he doesn't like the current default (but it's good he doesn't like it, I don't like it either!)
[10:52] <fschoep> :)
[10:53] <AnAnt> and I thought the usplash was just an image !
[10:53] <fschoep> It's a bit more complex :)
[10:53] <Viper550> Not anymore, Usplash has gotten alot more extendable in Edgy
[10:53] <Viper550> Brand new features, 256 colors, high-resolution, custom progress bars, interchangable fonts, the works!
[10:53] <nysosym> re, a little system crash ^^
[10:54] <fschoep> nysosym: your MB?
[10:54] <nysosym> no, my workstation :D
[10:54] <fschoep> OK
[10:54] <Viper550> Even better, it doesn't just use one resolution, it works at many different definable resolutions now!
[10:56] <nysosym> hmm xara has much more performance, but inkscape works better with svgs :D
[10:56] <fschoep> I'm going to quit IRC, hope to see you guys soon :)
[10:57] <nysosym> yes, hope to see u soon ;)
[10:57] <fschoep> :)
[10:57] <nysosym> in mailing list :D
[10:58] <Viper550> Wait, where is testcard?
[10:58] <nysosym> who?
[11:00] <Viper550> oh, nm
[11:00] <nysosym> msikma: ?
[11:01] <nysosym> msikma: is it possible to test you GTK+ theme? :)
[11:02] <AnAnt> Viper550: what software is used to design usplash'es ?
[11:03] <Viper550> Graphics Software (Gimp) and Text Editors
[11:03] <AnAnt> and how to compile it ?
[11:03] <Viper550> get APT ready and install usplash-dev
[11:04] <AnAnt> ic
[11:05] <msikma> nysosym: it's just a mock-up. Just a picture.
[11:05] <nysosym> msikma: ohh okay, anyway nice! :D
[11:05] <msikma> brb
[11:10] <AnAnt> Viper550: should I wait ?
[11:10] <nysosym> re
[11:10] <Viper550> Still working on it, might take a few hours, or a few minutes, now I just gotta get it all arranged properly
[11:11] <AnAnt> Viper550: well, I must sleep
[11:11] <Viper550> Okay, tommorow then. If you leave, I'll get someone to jot down the link to where I will post it on the wiki
[11:12] <AnAnt> Viper550: thanks ! you can send me the link via memoserv
[11:12] <Viper550> okay
[11:24] <Viper550> Anyone else experienced with the new usplash?
[11:45] <Viper550> anyone still here?
[11:47] <nysosym> yes
[11:48] <nysosym> but no experience with usplash