[02:40] <Burgundavia> http://mag.mypclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13
[04:45] <poningru> Burgundavia: the book you guys wrote was cc?
[04:46] <Burgundavia> poningru: yes
[04:51] <poningru> grr
[04:51] <poningru> I asked the publisher and they said it was copyrighted all rights
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> It says Copyright 2007 Canonical, Ltd. ; This book is published under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 open publication license.  <URL>
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> (How can it be copyrighted a year that hasn't happened yet?)
[04:56] <Burgundavia> hmm, interesting
[04:56] <tonyyarusso> Does say "All rights reserved" right after that too.
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> Then the standard "This publication is protected by copyright, and permission must be optained from the publisher prior to any prohibited reproduction, storage in a retrieval system, or transmission in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or likewise unless permitted under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license 2.0.  For information regarding permissions, write to:  <address>
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: That all seems somewhat self-contradictory to me.
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> (Although I'm not familiar with the text of that license.)
[04:59] <poningru> hmm weird
[04:59] <poningru> I asked the Florida rep for the publisher
[04:59] <poningru> and she was like yeah all our books are fully copyrighted
[04:59] <poningru> I never got a chance to take a look at a physical copy
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> Well I'd assume it's copyrighted for real, but I don't think it's "All rights reserved".
[05:15] <elkbuntu> conspiracy!
[05:16] <Madpilot> stuff can be both copyrighted & CC-licenced
[05:17] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, read what tonyyarusso said.. it sorta seems to contradict
[05:18] <Madpilot> not really - the "...unless permitted under..." is the key here
[05:19] <elkbuntu> hmm.. suppose
[05:19] <Madpilot> I did a seminar thru my union on reading legal docs; it's proven to be the best thing the union ever did for me :)
[05:20] <elkbuntu> heh
[05:22] <elkbuntu> oh how i love how angus&robertson put stuff into their db.. like keep a single format for the whole of a field, dont be stupid "Author: Benjamin; Bacon, Jono; Burger, Corey & others Hill"
[05:22] <Madpilot> hah!
[05:22] <elkbuntu> http://www.angusrobertson.com.au/search/results.asp?searchbycriteria=ubuntu&searchby=title&submit_search.x=0&submit_search.y=0&submit_search=search
[05:23] <elkbuntu> "& others Hill" is the best bit
[05:24] <elkbuntu> cool they list it as a best seller
[05:27] <elkbuntu> oh ffs.. it's like it all over the place
[05:31] <elkbuntu> heh, another bookshop lists the author as just "Mako"
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> I got it at Barnes & Noble, but I had to order; there weren't any in stock.  They told me they had hardcover, which turned out not to be true.
[05:33] <elkbuntu> heh
[05:45] <BHSPitLappy> g'evening all
[07:33] <elkbuntu> bwahaha. book on order :)
[08:17] <BHSPitLappy> do my calculus homework
[08:17] <poningru> hehe
[08:18] <poningru> crap the UWN
[08:18] <BHSPitLappy> uwn?
[08:34] <poningru> UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[08:52] <BHSPitLappy> oh
[08:52] <BHSPitLappy> yeah, I'm not much for newsletters
[08:59] <Burgundavia> yes, I have been ignoring it as well, been working on my book
[09:00] <poningru> 0_o
[09:00] <poningru> what are you writing?
[09:02] <Burgundavia> erratta for the official book
[09:04] <poningru> ah
[09:11] <elkbuntu> gah.. what's the url to the schedule/timeline for edgy release?
[09:11] <BHSPitLappy> I think wiki page EdgyRelease
[09:11] <Burgundavia>  /EdgyEft/ReleaseSchedule
[09:11] <BHSPitLappy> whatever
[09:11] <Burgundavia> something like that
[09:12] <Burgundavia> can someone tell me why RB is so crap?
[09:13] <elkbuntu> RB?
[09:13] <BHSPitLappy> Relative Barometrics
[09:17] <Madpilot> RythymBox?
[09:17] <Madpilot> RhythymBox, even
[09:18] <Burgundavia> rhythmbox
[09:18] <Burgundavia> whiprush: I am making you happy by installing banhsee right now
[09:18] <Madpilot> it's still crap even in Edgy, hmm?
[09:18] <Burgundavia> it just won't play a .pls
[09:19] <Madpilot> what the heck is a .pls?
[09:19] <Burgundavia> online radio station playlist
[09:19] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, are you takling about how it stops at track changes?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> no, it simply won't load them
[09:20] <elkbuntu> heh, rude
[09:21] <Burgundavia> totem appears to work
[09:22] <Burgundavia> why is nautlius using 76% of my cpu with nothing happening?
[09:25] <elkbuntu> hmm..how can i answer that and still stay in compliance with the CoC?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> you can disparage programs
[09:27] <Burgundavia> yes, nautilus is crap
[09:27] <elkbuntu> my feelings for it would incite the use of really bad language
[09:28] <poningru> what???
[09:28] <Burgundavia> it also lacks a maintainer
[09:28] <poningru> after some hacking ofcourse
[09:28] <poningru> but still
[09:28] <poningru> teh awesome
[09:28] <Burgundavia> rh yanked a bunch of their desktop people for mugshot
[09:28] <elkbuntu> poningru, i prefer xmms personally
[09:29] <Madpilot> bah. Muine for albums, Totem for everything else here.
[09:29] <poningru> RB for my roomates large music collection
[09:30] <poningru> rb is the only one that seems to handle the nfs over wireless crappiness well
[09:30] <Madpilot> cool, I managed to create a 2.5Mb SVG... neat trick ;)
[09:30] <poningru> heh
[09:32] <Madpilot> actually, 6.3Mb is my largest SVG - it's a big photo converted to SVG
[09:32] <poningru> ouch
[09:33] <Madpilot> the XFC file it came from was 8.5Mb; the PNG that Inkscape actually used was "only" 5Mb
[09:38] <poningru> jeez
[09:38] <poningru> how big...
[09:38] <poningru> ?
[10:21] <jenda> hehe, matthew revell has just posted to the ML an email, and the spamfilter caught it (Subject: Tesco supermarket software)
[10:24] <Burgundavia> hmm, odd
[10:24] <Burgundavia> but I saw that
[10:25] <jenda> It either came through because he already has that email addy as a go-through in there...
[10:25] <jenda> ...or someone got to it before I did (it was already through when I was about to let it)
[10:27] <poningru> grr
[10:27] <poningru> figuring out bzr is the hardest thing in the world
[10:29] <jenda> yep :)
[10:29] <jenda> What's the matter?
[10:29] <jenda> (I only use the three pushing commands, but I recently had an error there...)
[10:30] <elkbuntu> poningru, i played the n00b card and got one of the resident -au devs to do it for me :
[10:31] <poningru> hehe
[10:31] <poningru> jenda: I still dont think I have any rights to upload
[10:31] <poningru> I have given up on it now I think
[10:31] <poningru> grr
[10:32] <poningru> I think I am just gonna host my college stuff on my home server
[10:32] <jenda> poningru: what's the error?
[10:32] <jenda> I can UL it for you, if I get it to work :-D
[10:34] <poningru> dude point me to some docs
[10:35] <poningru> if there are any
[10:35] <poningru> cause google cant find any
[10:35] <jenda> heh... I don't know any :-D
[10:35] <jenda> but there's #bzr
[10:35] <jenda> and #launchpad
[10:35] <jenda> the guys there have always helped me :)
[10:35] <jenda> But what's the matter, poningru?
[10:36] <poningru> I dont think I can get my gpg to go into launchpad
[10:36] <jenda> aha
[10:36] <jenda> bzr uses ssh, though
[10:36] <poningru> ...
[10:36] <poningru> so my rsa?
[10:37] <jenda> well you definitely need to have a ssh key in LP: https://launchpad.net/people/poningru/+editsshkeys
[10:38] <poningru> Not allowed here
[10:38] <poningru> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[10:38] <poningru> You are logged in as Poningru.
[10:38] <poningru> wtf
[10:39] <jenda> gah
[10:39] <jenda> that is weird
[10:39] <poningru> zomg I think I know what the prob is
[10:40] <jenda> ya do
[10:40] <poningru> duplicate accounts
[10:41] <jenda> aha :)
[10:45] <jenda> Ah, I found my problem too.
[10:45] <jenda> I was pushing to an old branch (one under my name, not the team's)
[10:46] <jenda> pushed :)
[10:46] <jenda> poningru: now I can help out, if it doesn't work in the end.
[10:47] <poningru> naah I am sure I can figure it out after the merge
[10:47] <jenda> ok, cool
[10:48] <jenda> I have an extremely weird sleep cycle this weekend... went to bed at 5 AM, got up at 10 AM, went to bed at 4 PM, got up at 10 PM, went to bed at 6 AM, got up at 10 AM :)
[10:48] <poningru> thanks though
[10:50] <poningru> hehe its 5 here
[10:50] <poningru> btw jenda where are you?
[10:50] <poningru> I kinda realized this weekend I have no clue where you are
[10:50] <jenda> Czech Republic
[10:50] <jenda> 
[10:50] <jenda> and you?
[10:51] <poningru> florida us
[10:51] <jenda> ok.
[10:51] <poningru> and where is menza?
[10:54] <jenda> Denmark
[10:59] <poningru> ah
[04:33] <jenda> sudo grep "MenZa" irc.freenode.net
[04:48] <elkbuntu> o.O
[04:50] <jenda> Right, I didn't need the sudo, probably.
[04:50] <jenda> It felt more powerful that way, though.
[04:50] <jenda> Still no luck :)
[04:50] <jenda> He forgot the stickers in Denmark, so will have to snailmail them. I wanted to prod him :)
[04:50] <elkbuntu> hehe
[04:51] <jenda> ...because I'm being prodded meself.
[04:53] <elkbuntu> im trying to decide whether to respond to the flame i got on sounder
[04:55] <jenda> This one: "Small typo, the address is http://surveys.geekosophical.net/ "?
[04:55] <jenda> :)
[04:55] <jenda> No seriously, where?
[04:55] <jenda> (what's in the topic?)
[04:56] <elkbuntu> freespire bullpoo
[04:57] <elkbuntu> Freespire's Google ads: "What is Ubuntu Missing?"
[04:57] <jenda> ok
[04:59] <jenda> social skills--
[05:00] <elkbuntu> lol?
[05:00] <jenda> It takes a lot of experience to respond flames and flamebait the good way :) Feel free to give it a shot. I totally suck at it.
[05:00] <jenda> My last was 'thanks for your constructive criticism' :)
[05:01] <elkbuntu> lol saying that to a troll/flamer is like saying 'ouch, my bottom hurts'
[05:01] <jenda> Hehe.
[05:14] <yama> to which the flamer's response might be 'maybe you have worms?'
[05:15] <jenda> hehe
[05:15] <jenda> In this case, 'you are welcome'
[05:32] <elkbuntu> jenda, still around?
[05:32] <jenda> yeppers
[05:32] <jenda> for a bit more
[05:33] <elkbuntu> PM in a sec
[05:33] <jenda> k
[05:39] <elkbuntu> jenda, i think freenode just grepped menza for you
[05:39] <MenZa> :o
[05:39] <elkbuntu> it just took a while ;)
[05:39] <MenZa> :D
 sudo grep "MenZa" irc.freenode.net <-- about an hour ago
[05:40] <MenZa> lmfao
[05:40] <MenZa> I needed a new mug anyway.
[05:40] <elkbuntu> rofl
[05:40] <MenZa> :D
[05:40] <MenZa> I just want a Flock mug now.
[05:41] <jenda> :)
[05:41] <jenda> There's a guy selling Ubnutu mugs here, BTW :-D
[05:42] <jenda> MenZa: In the former satellite states of Soviet Russia, Jenda bug YOU!!... I need them stickies! :)
[05:43] <MenZa> jenda: yup, shall send them the moment I exchange these 200Kc for Danish Kroner
[05:43] <MenZa> Which might be tomorrow.
[05:43] <MenZa> (I'll do it as fast as I can)
[05:43] <MenZa> And that "Soviet Russia"-joke reminds me.
[05:43] <MenZa> I bought the furhat ;P
[05:44] <jenda> hehe :)
[06:53] <jenda> Burgwork: hello
[06:53] <jenda> Would you happen to know who to contact to open a mailing list on lists.ubuntu.com?
[06:54] <MenZa> I'd ask Seveas, jenda
[06:54] <MenZa> He'll know ;p
[06:54] <jenda> I'm asking him too :)
[06:55] <Burgwork> hey jenda
[06:56] <Burgwork> jenda, what do you need a mailing list for?
[06:56] <jenda> I don't - Martin Bhm of the Czech Kubuntu team does, for this team: Kubuntu Testers: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-testers
[06:56] <jenda> The team has been approved by both Hobbsee and Ridell
[06:57] <Burgwork> cool
[06:57] <jenda> elkbuntu: Come to think of it, there are countries where such 'comparative' advertising is illegal (@previous topic)
[07:09] <jenda> Burgwork: any ideas?
[07:10] <Burgwork> jenda, for the mailing list?
[07:10] <jenda> I recommended emailing Jono (martin refuses to use rt@canonical.com because they didn't respond to his kubuntu.cz request at all after about half a year)
[07:10] <jenda> Yes.
[07:12] <Burgwork> rt is the place
[07:15] <jenda> There's no way I can make him do that :) But I agree it's the first place to try.
[07:25] <nixternal> jenda: rt has been restaffed and actually works pretty quick...it took me about 2 days to get both the mailing list and web site for ubuntu chicago
[07:26] <jenda> aha... really good news there, thx
[07:26] <jenda> nixternal: you've prolly got mail...
[07:27] <nixternal> truthfully, you would think the "kubuntu-users" would be testers ;)  like there needs to be more teams and mailing lists
[07:27] <nixternal> i always have mail ;)
[07:27] <jenda> that's what I thought, but since Hobbsee and Ridell approved, it's no longer any of my business :)
[07:27] <jenda> Hello Klaidas
[07:28] <Klaidas> hi jenda :)
[07:33] <nixternal> hehe jenda ;)
[07:33] <nixternal> does the list get a lot of spam?
[07:34] <nixternal> my list has been getting a lot lately, thank god for the filters
[07:35] <jenda> I have no clue - I believe it don't exist yet.
[07:35] <jenda> The team was founded yesterday
[07:35] <nixternal> no no, concerning the email i received ;)
[07:35] <nixternal> the marketing list
[07:35] <poningru> grr
[07:35] <poningru> we need to get the UWN out
[07:36] <poningru> its monday guys
[07:36] <nixternal> what?  it didn't get released?
[07:36] <poningru> comeone now
[07:36] <poningru> no
[07:36] <nixternal> school has me tied down this week ;(
[07:36] <jenda> nixternal: aha, not too bad, but not too good either ;)
[07:36] <poningru> nixternal: I know me too
[07:36] <jenda> uh oh
[07:36] <nixternal> ahh...cool, i know how to prevent that jenda ;)
[07:36] <jenda> let's get to work then :)
[07:36] <jenda> nixternal: ya do? :)
[07:36] <poningru> I have nothing to put in the upcoming events
[07:37] <jenda> hmm
[07:37] <poningru> I am going delete feature of the week for this UWN
[07:37] <poningru> also we need to put something in lp news section
[07:37] <poningru> and sectionalize In the press
[07:38] <nixternal> ya, i have been working with the mailman people trying to learn the filtering regiment they use
[07:38] <jenda> that's neat
[07:38] <jenda> my PC is upgrading right now, so if I drop out, Edgy is at fault.
[07:38] <nixternal> hehe
[07:38] <poningru> so: upcoming events
[07:38] <poningru>  sectionalize In the press
[07:38] <poningru>  and feature of the week
[07:39] <poningru> if no one has any suggestions for feature of the week
[07:39] <poningru> I am gonna delete it for this week
[07:39] <nixternal> hey, that feature of the week, does it have to be a "default" installed feature of the week?  or can it be something you can apt-get from the universe repos?
[07:40] <Burgwork> nixternal, yes
[07:40] <nixternal> heh, i take that is yes to both...if so rockin'
[07:40] <Burgwork> yes
[07:40] <nixternal> bip or bitlbee would be cool to show off..bip is awesome!
[07:40] <Burgwork> please edit UWN
[07:41] <poningru> bitlbee?
[07:41] <Burgwork> and I am going to be working on it tonight, for release tonight
[07:41] <poningru> nixternal: wanna do that section?
[07:41] <nixternal> bitlbee allows you access to your IM accounts via IRC
[07:41] <nixternal> i can do it poningru
[07:41] <poningru> awesome
[07:41] <jenda> grr, I can't get gobby started.
[07:41] <poningru> hold on let me update the gobby page
[07:42] <poningru> k done
[07:42] <poningru> nixternal: updating on the wiki or gobby?
[07:43] <jenda> Gobby was the FoW once :)
[07:43] <poningru> we need more stuff for In the Press
[07:43] <poningru> hehe true
[07:44] <jenda> hmm...
[07:44] <jenda> how about we draft from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[07:44] <jenda> maybe not a good idea, maybe worth a try...
[07:44] <jenda> grr, mbr messed up
[07:45] <poningru> ouch
[07:45] <poningru> err wait
[07:45] <poningru> wrong distro
[07:45] <jenda> I have plenty, but it even refuses to boot fro... aha! booted.
[07:46] <Klaidas> poningru, mandra^H^Hiva?
[07:46] <poningru> pssh
[07:46] <poningru> gentoo
[07:48] <nixternal> poningru: whatever is easiest
[07:48] <poningru> arr?
[07:48] <nixternal> updating location
[07:50] <poningru> but that was announced today
[07:50] <poningru> so doesnt qualify
[07:50] <jenda> ompaul: a rushed UWN is being worked on... you can join in :)
[07:51] <nixternal> [12:42:58]  <poningru> nixternal: updating on the wiki or gobby?
[07:51] <poningru> ah gotcha
[07:51] <poningru> nixternal: upto you
[07:51] <ompaul> that can't be right =
[07:51] <ompaul> either do gobby or go wiki
[07:51] <poningru> nixternal: though for the screencap you may wanna do wiki
[07:52] <ompaul> and wiki is not colob
[07:52] <nixternal> hehe, k..im gonna take a quick shower
[07:52] <ompaul> colaboration even
[07:52] <nixternal> bbiaf
[07:52] <poningru> ompaul: the prob is not everyone is familiar with gobby
[07:52] <ompaul> who is running gobby?
[07:52] <ompaul> poningru, multi player notepad?
[07:53] <ompaul> where is the session?
[07:53] <ompaul> i.e. who is running the server?
[07:53] <poningru> hold on
[07:53] <ompaul> ip please
[07:53] <poningru> my ip
[07:53] <poningru> port
[07:53] <poningru> 6522
[07:54] <poningru> password: ufl@ftw
[07:54] <poningru> 70.171.62.28
[07:55] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[07:55] <poningru> that has better instructions
[07:56] <jenda_> Will be up in a bit...
[07:56] <poningru> ompaul: also you need the edgy gobby
[07:56] <Burgwork> ompaul, busy today
[07:56] <ompaul> Burgwork, no worries
[07:56] <ompaul> poningru, you can not be serious
[07:57] <ompaul> gobby does not work across versions ...
[07:57] <poningru> ?
[07:57] <poningru> ompaul: unfortunately the .4 added a bunch of new stuff
[07:57] <ompaul> well I don't have a functional edgy box atm
[07:57] <poningru> frack
[07:57] <poningru> you can just download the edgy gobby
[07:57] <poningru> and install that
[07:57] <poningru> hold on melissa put something up a while ago
[07:57] <ompaul> :)
[07:58] <ompaul> I'll see if I have anything to contrib - via the web page
[07:58] <poningru> sweet
[07:59] <jenda> pheck! Version mismatch on the liveCD :(
[08:00] <ompaul> question, is the feature tackled?
[08:00] <poningru> nixternal: went for a shower
[08:01] <poningru> so if you wanna take over I guess its ok
[08:01] <jenda> There was a suggestion, but if you have better :)
[08:01] <ompaul> what was the suggestion
[08:01] <poningru> bitlbee
 bip or bitlbee would be cool to show off..bip is awesome!
[08:01] <ompaul> leave it with him
[08:02] <ompaul> okay I can add to the akademy and the GPLv3 keynote on the sunday by COR - I was there
[08:02] <jenda> quick hint please, how do I install the new version? (/me fergat)
[08:02] <poningru> w00t
[08:02] <ompaul> or
[08:02] <poningru> jenda: for the gobby?
[08:02] <jenda> very good, ompaul :)
[08:02] <poningru> in dapper?
[08:02] <jenda> poningru: yep
[08:02] <poningru> crap
[08:02] <poningru> elkbuntu: ping
[08:03] <poningru> she figured something out
[08:03] <ompaul> actually - that was the BOF session
[08:03] <ompaul> arrrrg
[08:03] <ompaul> he did patents in europe
[08:03] <ompaul> forget it
[08:03] <poningru> hold on let me track that down her thing
[08:03] <ompaul> you don't have room for the story so far
[08:03] <poningru> ompaul: sure we do
[08:04] <jenda> Hey, how about a Ubuntu Poster Design Competition Yields Results piece?
[08:04] <ompaul> poningru, you really don't :-) not if you want to go to press today
[08:04] <poningru> jenda: yeah go for it
[08:04] <ompaul> brb
[08:04] <poningru> jenda: lets just do this over wiki for now
[08:05] <jenda> ok
[08:05] <poningru> looks like too many people are having trouble with gobby
[08:05] <poningru> I will put up the instructions on how to install gobby backporting stuff
[08:05] <ompaul> got to go
[08:05] <ompaul> back later
[08:05] <poningru> k
[08:05] <ompaul> hopefully it is okay
[08:06] <jenda> poningru, why use the edgy version?
[08:06] <jenda> er, nevermind, I get it.
[08:06] <jenda> (it makes sense for dapperers to upgrade, but not for edgyers to dg)
[08:06] <poningru> it had a lot more features... and almost everyone at the time who was here was using edgy
[08:06] <poningru> yeah
[08:11] <nixternal> so are we doing gobby?
[08:12] <jenda> universe freeze - do you have that in there?
[08:15] <poningru> nixternal: cant too many people without it
[08:15] <poningru> just use the wiki
[08:15] <nixternal> glad you said that, almost connected ;)
[08:15] <nixternal> how hard is it to apt-get it ;)
[08:15] <poningru> nixternal: hehe the prob is dapper gobby will not talk to the edgy gobby :(
[08:16] <nixternal> well, people shouldn't be using dappah ;)
[08:16] <nixternal> and it seems as if gobby stunk it up on that..that should be a bug
[08:17] <nixternal> Gobby 0.4 is available in the repos for dapper
[08:17] <nixternal> not ubuntu repos, but you can grab it from the debian/dapper repos
[08:18] <poningru> hehe yeah
[08:18] <poningru> http://pkern.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/gobby/gobby_0.4.1-1_i386.deb
[08:18] <nixternal> or there ;)
[08:19] <ompaul> do it
[08:19] <poningru> ok lets go with gobby now
[08:19] <nixternal> heh
[08:20] <nixternal> same ip and setup info you posted earlier?
[08:21] <ompaul> nixternal, people will use dapper for the next few years so other people better get used to it :)
[08:21] <poningru> nixternal: yep
[08:21] <poningru> hehe
[08:21] <ompaul> okay I will try and dist upgrade the box that edgy would not install on
[08:21] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[08:21] <ompaul> this is going to be fun
[08:22] <ompaul> I will not make the editing session methinks
[08:22] <ompaul> I don't have a fast box or a huge pipe
[08:22] <poningru> ompaul: arr?
[08:22] <poningru> http://pkern.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/gobby/gobby_0.4.1-1_i386.deb
[08:22] <poningru> pretty small
[08:23] <ompaul> poningru, and dist-upgrade ?
[08:24] <ompaul> poningru, the only way I _may_ be able to make this other machine run edgy is if edgy installs on it
[08:24] <ompaul> but it is slow
[08:24] <poningru> ompaul: dude you can just use that deb
[08:24] <ompaul> the dvd failed
[08:24] <poningru> no need to distupgrade
[08:24] <ompaul>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:24] <poningru> oh
[08:24] <poningru> ouch
[08:24] <ompaul> it won't install on my box
[08:24] <poningru> crap
[08:24] <ompaul> whereas gobby did
[08:25] <ompaul> yeap pretty much
[08:25] <ompaul> maybe that gobby will work on it
[08:26] <ompaul> I'll join you here from there with an alt nick
[08:26] <jenda> hey, I added my part to the wiki, but it put the image directly in there.
[08:26] <ompaul> then I will say the gobby url
[08:26] <jenda> I'm not sure if that's exactly what we want.
[08:27] <jenda> wait...
[08:27] <ompaul> don't please don't try to do gobby and wiki without someone declaring themselves king of the project - and granting tickets to work in wiki space
[08:27] <jenda> which issue are we editing?
[08:27] <jenda> I declare poningru king, if he agrees :)
[08:28] <Burgwork> ompaul, you need obby and net6 as well
[08:28] <ompaul> ipv6
[08:28] <ompaul> hmm
[08:29] <jenda> Which issue are we editing, 16 or 17?
[08:29] <poningru> 16
[08:29] <jenda> ok
[08:30] <ompaul> Burgwork, lets see jhow we go
[08:30] <poningru> ompaul: http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/Download
[08:30] <poningru> under the .4 section
[08:31] <ompaul_> bah humbug :)
[08:31] <nixternal> yes, use the deb debian info for dapper ;)
[08:31] <ompaul> http://pkern.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/gobby/gobby_0.4.1-1_i386.deb
[08:31] <ompaul> http://darcs.0x539.de/trac/obby/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/Download
[08:32] <ompaul_> this box issssss sssssoooo slow
[08:32] <nixternal> which UWN are we using on Gobby?
[08:32] <nixternal> i edited (2)
[08:33] <ompaul_> nixternal, save and move on
[08:33] <poningru> obtw
[08:33] <poningru> Burgwork: is the king
[08:33] <Burgwork> poningru, Burgwork is also currently insanely busy
[08:33] <poningru> hence the minister doing the work ;)
[08:34] <jenda> Could someone add a bit about the universe freeze? I honestly have a bit of technical trouble here.
[08:35] <ompaul_> stop using windows then  :P
[08:37] <jenda> I'm not!!!
[08:37] <poningru> hehe
[08:37] <jenda> I find that as a serious personal offense, ompaul ;)
[08:39] <ompaul> well it is nearly as bad as people expecting me to have a running edgy system
[08:39] <ompaul> sorry folks but I can't particpate
[08:39] <poningru> ompaul: sure you can
[08:39] <ompaul> my play with fire box has burnt itself
[08:39] <poningru> we can coordinate between wiki and gobby
[08:39] <ompaul> I need to fix it
[08:40] <poningru> we arent really using gobby atm
[08:40] <poningru> wiki all the way
[08:40] <jenda> I'm on the wiki :)
[08:41] <jenda> Is there a resource for writing about the universe freeze? (before my PC reboots into nothingness)
[08:41] <poningru> ok writing the universe freeze
[08:41] <jenda> (or edgyness)
[08:41] <jenda> aha
[08:41] <jenda> great.
[08:45] <MenZa> lol
[08:47] <jenda> don't laugh at the dead man
[08:47] <Burgwork> jenda, mentoin that it is frozen and point to the release schedule
[08:48] <jenda> poningru^
[08:50] <poningru> Burgwork: arr?
[08:50] <poningru> release schedule?
[08:52] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[08:52] <poningru> will that do?
[08:53] <ompaul> poningru, that is the one
[08:54] <jenda> whoo
[08:54] <jenda> back to work then, sorry :)
[08:54] <ompaul> poningru, the text here could be a preamble to the other url https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFreeze
[08:55] <jenda> poningru: what's the gobby password?
[08:56] <jenda> nvm, got firefox started ok.
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[08:56] <poningru> using wiki right now
[08:57] <poningru> so all we need now is New app in edgy
[08:58] <poningru> cleanup In the news
[08:58] <ompaul> late breaking news or something http://www.electricnews.net/news.html?code=9824239
[08:58] <poningru> and finish upcoming events
[08:58] <ompaul> don't bother it is about firefox exploits from last saturday
[08:59] <poningru> yeah teh lame
[08:59] <poningru> I have no idea what to do with the In the Press segment
[08:59] <poningru> but working on it now
[08:59] <jenda> the formatting, you mean?
[08:59] <jenda> I think an indent to the quotes would help a lot
[08:59] <poningru> yeah
[09:01] <poningru> hmm
[09:02] <poningru> done
[09:02] <jenda> May I?
[09:02] <poningru> please
[09:02] <poningru> ompaul, nixternal please add yourselves to the credits if you arent there already
[09:03] <ompaul> I did nothing other than groan :)
[09:03] <ompaul> or was that moan
[09:03] <poningru> ok not sure thats appropriate for a family friendly channel ;)
[09:04] <ompaul> To make a low prolonged sound of grief or pain
[09:04] <ompaul> pain at testing the inclusiveness of your gobbyness :)
[09:04] <ompaul> credit me with failing to you join as software issues arrose and need to be reviewed
[09:05] <jenda> I tried out a bit of bolding to see how it looked...
[09:05] <ompaul> bold on a web page is not nice
[09:05] <nixternal> if someone can add me that would rock..i have to run and fix mum's puter...bbiab
[09:05] <ompaul> nixternal, which name
[09:05] <nixternal> Richard Johnson
[09:06] <poningru> nice
[09:06] <nixternal> yes i know the nicknames already ;)
[09:06] <nixternal> bbiab
[09:06] <poningru> jenda: unfortunately since we send it out as text... we cant exactly do the bold stuff
[09:06] <ompaul> done
[09:07] <jenda> It doesn't look good, I'll remove it.
[09:07] <poningru> but it looks good on the wiki
[09:07] <jenda> Hehe, it does? :)
[09:07] <ompaul> let me read it with the editor openj
[09:07] <jenda> Lemme look again.
[09:07] <poningru> no it draws attention to the subjects
[09:07] <poningru> so it does look good
[09:07] <poningru> just...
[09:08] <jenda> poningru: If you want, I can do the grunt work in the end (spelling proofread and wiki formatting removal for text version).
[09:08] <poningru> awesome thanks man
[09:08] <poningru> we still need upcoming events though
[09:08] <ompaul> I ripped out [09:09] <ompaul> you already have an index so it kind of has no place there anymore
[09:09] <poningru> and New apps in edgy
[09:09] <poningru> ompaul: naah we have to use that for when we send it out as text
[09:09] <ompaul> include the index
[09:09] <poningru> the index only looks good on the wiki
[09:10] <poningru> yeah we just copy it over
[09:10] <poningru> and put it under the In this issue
[09:10] <jenda> yep, agreed.
[09:11] <ompaul> after this there should be no new apps cos the universe is frozen
[09:11] <poningru> yeah but wondering what new stuff came up
[09:11] <poningru> also what can we include for upcoming events?
[09:12] <poningru> we can include the mountain view stuff
[09:12] <ompaul> search conferences
[09:12] <ompaul> and october 2006
[09:13] <ompaul> I am adding the stuff for the [09:13] <jenda> poningru: that would be great. Shouldn't be too difficult, either.
[09:14] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Conferences
[09:16] <poningru> hmm what do you guys think? where should all the conferences stuff go? under meetings? or upcoming events?
[09:16] <poningru> I say upcoming events
[09:16] <jenda> +1
[09:16] <poningru> anything periodical should go under meetings and other similar events
[09:19] <ompaul> upcoming
[09:20] <ompaul> you are free to add it
[09:20] <ompaul> are their any linux confs on anywhere?
[09:21] <jenda> I might be doing one at home... two people present...
[09:21] <jenda> :)
[09:21] <poningru> ompaul: there is one in dresden on the 8th
[09:21] <poningru> added that
[09:21] <ompaul> so anything else?
[09:23] <jenda> Dresden? Sheesh, that's about the nearest real city around
[09:23] <ompaul> clear?
[09:24] <jenda> clear
[09:24] <ompaul> okay read it for errors
[09:24] <ompaul> put the errors here and only them] 
[09:24] <ompaul> then poningru can attack the errors :)
[09:24] <ompaul> then we say signed sealed and delivered
[09:25] <ompaul> should we make it, one item or commas between in this issue?
[09:26] <poningru> ompaul: fixed
[09:26] <poningru> bulleted
[09:26] <ompaul> no new apps
[09:27] <poningru> ah removing then
[09:27] <poningru> need spell checking
[09:28] <ompaul> no
[09:28] <poningru> arr?
[09:28] <ompaul> I mean there are no new apps entered in the page
[09:29] <poningru> oh...
[09:29] <ompaul> Accepted:
[09:29] <ompaul>  OK: xen-3.0_3.0.3~rc1.dsc
[09:29] <ompaul>      -> Component: universe Section: misc
[09:29] <ompaul>  OK: xen-3.0_3.0.3~rc1.tar.gz
[09:29] <ompaul> thats one there are many
[09:30] <poningru> ompaul: where are you getting this from?
[09:30] <poningru> sorry kinda ignorant about lp
[09:30] <ompaul> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edgy-changes
[09:30] <ompaul> right I have to handle something here
[09:30] <ompaul> in rl terms
[09:30] <ompaul> so later
[09:31] <ompaul> dig around that - ask seveas if he saw any good ones
[09:31] <poningru> hmm we have to get the meat from that
[09:31] <ompaul> stick your head into -devel and say you want a hand if someone has 15 mins
[09:32] <ompaul> tell them you want to ide a few packages - check out last weeks and explain what you need done
[09:32] <ompaul> or grab hobbsee if she is about (I doubt it)
[09:32] <ompaul> now I really must dash
[09:33] <poningru> k
[09:33] <poningru> thanks man
[09:35] <poningru> any ideas?
[09:35] <poningru> there are just too many to list
[09:36] <jenda> No ID here, sorry.
[09:36] <jenda> I'll bbiab
[09:47] <poningru> ompaul, nixternal and jenda thanks for stepping up to the plate there
[09:47] <ompaul> poningru, just a min
[09:47] <ompaul> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue15
[09:47] <ompaul> see how it was done there
[09:48] <ompaul> sorry still dealing with stuff
[09:49] <poningru> yeah I think its more summarized...
[09:51] <ompaul> if you want something mad to write about - consider firefox and the trademarking
[09:52] <poningru> hehe I am not touching that with a ten foot pole
[09:52] <ompaul> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622;msg=59
[09:52] <ompaul> the words mozilla and free software are diverging
[09:53] <ompaul> the browser-formally-known-as-firefox
[09:55] <poningru> ompaul: unfortunately I take the mofo side in this argument... hence me not touching that subject
[09:56] <ompaul> I don't think they are right ergo I suggested that
[09:57] <ompaul> however, they are within their rights
[10:00] <Burgwork> within their rights != doing the right thing
[10:01] <Burgwork> both sides came in with a very combatitive attitude
[10:01] <Burgwork> which led to conflict
[10:02] <poningru> mconnor didnt like what was going on because they ignored him for the first couple of times
[10:02] <poningru> he got the feeling that they were just ignoring him around january thats why he had to make that bug
[10:03] <poningru> whatever not arguing about that around debian/ubuntu etc.
[10:03] <Burgwork> regardless, this is not the appropriate venue to talk about it
[10:06] <poningru> yeah
[10:15] <Burgwork> woot!
[10:16] <Burgwork> work just gave me a gold business visa
[10:18] <ompaul> Burgwork, concur but I think that poningru needed a diversion ;-)
[10:20] <poningru> woah
[10:20] <poningru> 0_0
[10:26] <tonyyarusso> Yikes
[10:40] <jenda> I'm back.
[10:40] <jenda> poningru: is there still any work to do?
[10:40] <poningru> just the new app to edgy thing
[10:40] <poningru> not sure what to put on there
[10:41] <poningru> and doing HW right now so kinda ignoring uwn for now
[10:42] <jenda> ok
[10:42] <jenda> I'll ask around for suggestions.
[11:10] <jenda> nothing found
[11:10] <jenda> :(
[12:03] <jenda> Bulleted the in the press section.
[12:03] <jenda> Done
[12:03] <jenda> poningru, wiki page checked, proofread - now unwikifying - will come to you by email.