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| LaserJock | hi guys | 12:20 |
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| ajmitch | hey LaserJock | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | what a weekend | 12:21 |
| LaserJock | FLOSS is sometimes a weird and frustrating place | 12:22 |
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| BazziR | LaserJock: what happened? | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | some stuff | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | kinda hard to explain | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | but a fair amount of people got mad at me | 12:25 |
| BazziR | do it to get it off your mind, that surely helps | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | and I've closed my first attempt at FLOSS development | 12:26 |
| no0tic | on dapper I used ipkungfu, but here on edgy it doesn't work, when I try to start it, it exits with bash errors, probably the script is wrong? | 12:26 |
| LaserJock | didn't even make a first release | 12:26 |
| no0tic | sorry, probably this is a devel chan... | 12:26 |
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| BazziR | I just started my first FLOSS attempt | 12:27 |
| BazziR | I hope it will work | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that's unfortunate | 12:27 |
| LaserJock | no0tic: you probably want to look for an already file bug and if you don't find one report it | 12:27 |
| no0tic | LaserJock, on launchpad.net is ok? | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | yep | 12:29 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: it is, I sure didn't want it to turn out bad | 12:30 |
| no0tic | LaserJock, ok, filed | 12:31 |
| minghua | LaserJock: that's okay, the first attempt usually fails :-) | 12:32 |
| minghua | LaserJock: sorry to hear you having a frustrated weekend though | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | if it was just me it wouldn't be so bad | 12:33 |
| LaserJock | but Edubuntu has been attacked a lot as well | 12:33 |
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| crimsun | LaserJock: RE: gallium? | 12:35 |
| crimsun | (oliver's forwarded e-mail to e-d) | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | I've been emailing and IRC'ing for 2 days now | 12:36 |
| crimsun | the 8th OSI layer, stubborn people. | 12:36 |
| BazziR | :o | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | the funny thing is, I've spent more time cleaning up this mess then on the actual project | 12:37 |
| ivoks | hm... why do you care at all? edubuntu choosed another program; some people aren't happy with that; so what? :) | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | because I respect their project and what they do for the Linux community | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | because 'some people' can be very vocal & disruptive | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | and they were spreading misinformation about Edubuntu | 12:40 |
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| crimsun | imagine if upstream cups decided that everything ubuntu has done was worth nitpicking and maligning | 12:40 |
| ivoks | lol... well, that happend :) | 12:40 |
| crimsun | they seem to have calmed somewhat, though | 12:41 |
| === ajmitch wonders who bastian grupe is.. | ||
| === BazziR <- | ||
| ajmitch | replying to a bug I filed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/63349 | 12:41 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63349 in Ubuntu "Request for inclusion of new package (murrine)" [Undecided,Needs info] | 12:41 |
| BazziR | oh thats you? | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | BazziR: I really didn't need to add a package I'd just made to that wiki page :) | 12:42 |
| BazziR | sorry. | 12:42 |
| BazziR | but I asked in advance if to reject and I got an ack :) | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | from who? | 12:42 |
| BazziR | uh | 12:42 |
| BazziR | slomo i think | 12:42 |
| ivoks | crimsun: if you ignore them, they give up | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | no, I see it - it was hobbsee | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | I'll talk to her later.. | 12:43 |
| BazziR | oh, ok | 12:43 |
| BazziR | now that I know your real name it wont happen again :) | 12:44 |
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| BazziR | yeah i guess she didnt or just read the title. | 12:44 |
| === ajmitch mutters | ||
| crimsun | woo, go ajmitch. I was just going to submit my own gtk2-engines-murrine (since Xubuntu is considering it) | 12:45 |
| crimsun | either Murrina-GT4 or Murrina-Gilouche is a candidate | 12:46 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: you can follow up on the bug then :) | 12:46 |
| crimsun | now subbed :) | 12:47 |
| ajmitch | looks like I have to follow up on the copyright issue, which is annoying | 12:48 |
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| gnomefreak | whos is matthias klose? | 01:23 |
| tseng | gnomefreak: doko | 01:23 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 01:24 |
| minghua | ubotu needs a "who is who" feature | 01:26 |
| tseng | thats what /whois minghua is for | 01:27 |
| tseng | assuming you are nice enough to set a real name | 01:27 |
| tseng | which most all developers are | 01:27 |
| minghua | tseng: but the other way around doesn't work, like both gnomefreak and ajmitch just asked in this channel | 01:28 |
| minghua | tseng: From real name to IRC nick, that is | 01:28 |
| jldugger | just look it up in launchpad. launchpad is like facebook for geeks | 01:28 |
| tseng | i guess | 01:29 |
| tseng | I just know | 01:29 |
| tseng | there are only 30 some core-dev members | 01:29 |
| gnomefreak | that would be too big a data base for ubotu i think | 01:31 |
| tseng | what, known ubuntu memberS? | 01:31 |
| tseng | its under 200 | 01:31 |
| minghua | ubotu can just check the launchpad, can't he? just like what he does with bug numbers or package names | 01:33 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about can just check the launchpad, can't he? just like what he does with bug numbers or package names - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 01:33 |
| tseng | he *could* | 01:33 |
| tseng | tell seveas if you think its that useful | 01:33 |
| tseng | i have all the maps in my head | 01:34 |
| tseng | you could, too | 01:34 |
| minghua | tseng: sure, I'll ask | 01:34 |
| minghua | I may look at the code myself, actually | 01:34 |
| gnomefreak | i would file a bug about it | 01:34 |
| minghua | because that would be handy for other channels I hang out, too | 01:34 |
| gnomefreak | since he tells us to do that | 01:34 |
| minghua | bug #63457, there you go | 01:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63457 in ubuntu-bots "Please add feature to match real name to IRC nick (and vice versa)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63457 | 01:46 |
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| LaserJock | hi Fujitsu | 02:03 |
| Fujitsu | Hey LaserJock. | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | holy cow | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | I found yet another list I'm discussed on | 02:13 |
| minghua | lol | 02:13 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: link? | 02:14 |
| Fujitsu | Of course. What list could leave you out? You're too Ubuntuholic to be left out of any list. | 02:14 |
| === tseng discusses LaserJock on ubuntu-mono | ||
| LaserJock | I'm on edubuntu-devel, blue-obelisk and kde-edu-devel | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | those are the ones I know of so far | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | plus the ~100 hate mails ogra got :/ | 02:16 |
| Fujitsu | Gallium-related? | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | yep | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | ~50 blog comments | 02:16 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah, they really don't seem to like you guys for that. | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | The thing is, I hadn't even worked much on Gallium | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | nobody cares about edubuntu-menus | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | or MOTU Science stuff | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | I just dared to start working on a GTK periodic table and all hell breaks loose ;-) | 02:18 |
| minghua | what did ogra say to get 100 hate mails? | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | nothing | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | it was because of me | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | he had nothing to do with it | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | s/me/Gallium/ | 02:20 |
| LaserJock | anyway, the storm will pass | 02:20 |
| LaserJock | I just feel ... like it's all my fault and I never want to work on FLOSS again | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | but that too will pass, I hope | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | anyway, enough about that | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: how's MOTU Science looking? besides broken maxima stuff | 02:24 |
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| LaserJock | boy did I kill the party in here or what | 02:30 |
| === minghua was just reading the mails on edubuntu-devel | ||
| minghua | and saw poor ogra getting hammered | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | hmm, how do I search for channels again? | 02:37 |
| minghua | "/list #channel-name" is what I use | 02:38 |
| Hawkwind | LaserJock: /msg chanserv list *search-term* Make sure you use the *'s | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | ah yeah | 02:47 |
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| zul | LaserJock: ogra got some threats on his health ie we will find where you live blah blah blah | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | zul: really? over this? | 02:55 |
| zul | yeah he was saying that yesterday i think or today dont remember | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | oh man | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | I feel terrible | 02:56 |
| zul | i wouldnt worry about it, he is a big boy | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | yes, but he had nothing to do with it | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | my gosh, it's just software | 02:58 |
| zul | heh thats what i said | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | well, it looks like I'm going to try to learn some C++ | 03:01 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: you are mad | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure if I'm really mad, perhaps | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | I'm mad that they are attacking Edubuntu | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | but I'm mostly sad right now | 03:03 |
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| LaserJock | hi bmonty! | 03:13 |
| ryanakca | LaserJock: hmm... looking to start C++? try that book in the topic of ##C++... it looks good from what Ive seen of it... | 03:13 |
| ryanakca | or go out and buy Acelerated C++ (I'm told it's THE best c++ book around)... | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | thanks for the tips | 03:14 |
| ryanakca | never seen it | 03:14 |
| === ryanakca whishes he knew C++ | ||
| LaserJock | I'm sort of not looking forward to learning it | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | I haven't even learned Python very well | 03:15 |
| ryanakca | I am... | 03:15 |
| ryanakca | lol, we're in the same boat | 03:15 |
| ryanakca | I can understand source code... but I can't write it... | 03:15 |
| === ryanakca 's scope of programming is HTML and CSS :P | ||
| bmonty | hi LaserJock | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | oh bugger | 03:16 |
| ryanakca | I've looked at C, Ruby, Python, PHP, C++... can't seem to stick with one for long though | 03:16 |
| LaserJock | I'm stuck with Fortran and Python so far | 03:17 |
| bmonty | ...two extremes in technology | 03:18 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 03:18 |
| ryanakca | Ruby is unbelievably simple from what I've seen | 03:18 |
| ryanakca | lol | 03:18 |
| ryanakca | http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ | 03:19 |
| LaserJock | somehow I keep trying to convince myself I'm really a software developer and not a chemist ;-) | 03:19 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: is there much of a difference in the technical areas? | 03:21 |
| bmonty | I'm a EE and I spend a lot of time coding | 03:21 |
| bmonty | BTW, I noticed we have been working on similar things this weekend :) | 03:21 |
| crimsun | ruby is ridiculous. I keep wanting to teach stuff in Java (to abide by our curriculum standards), but I end up using Ruby and Python | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: well, I'm an experimentalist | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | if I was a theoretical chemist I'd say yes | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | but I could do virtually all my work with very little computer interaction | 03:23 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: you don't write code to run your lab instruments? | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: I do, but I'm the only one it the department that does | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | because i like to | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | I'm the only one that doesn't use LabView | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | wow, this maxima debdiff is really strange | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | what the heck did we do | 03:25 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: looks like we have both been playing with wordpress :) | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | where's your blog? | 03:26 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: www.montynet.org | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | haha | 03:27 |
| bmonty | :) | 03:28 |
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| LaserJock | bmonty: I've even got drupal sorta started for my main site | 03:32 |
| bmonty | cool | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | and of course the domain | 03:32 |
| bmonty | I decided to make wordpress my main site since it looks like it can do pretty much everything I want | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | my first domain since I was like 14 | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I debated about it, but I really wanted to seperate blog from site | 03:33 |
| ryanakca | back... they had an interesting news clip playing on CBC :) | 03:33 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: once I figured out how to integrate gallery into wordpress I completely ditched my old site | 03:34 |
| ryanakca | LaserJock: chemist... chemist = pharmasist? or chemist = chemistry/science/research stuff? | 03:34 |
| === ryanakca hates having to think about the different vocabulary across the pond | ||
| LaserJock | ryanakca: yeah, chemist = chemistry research | 03:35 |
| ryanakca | ah, kk, so I take it your north american :) | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | yes | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | perhaps I should correct that for the "silly" people | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | what do they call chemists there | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | I wonder | 03:36 |
| ryanakca | no clue... like our vocabulary makes sense... | 03:36 |
| ryanakca | flat vs apartment? | 03:36 |
| ryanakca | crisp vs potato chip? | 03:37 |
| bmonty | yeah I was going to say...probably the same thing in order to maximize confusion | 03:37 |
| ryanakca | sweets vs candy? | 03:37 |
| === ryanakca tries to think of some more | ||
| bmonty | loo vs toilet? | 03:37 |
| ryanakca | yeah | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | well, I think it makes sense to say that a chemist does chemistry | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | so I'm a little unsure of what they call them | 03:37 |
| ryanakca | bmonty: they call pharmasists drugists and chemists... depends what part of britain your in | 03:37 |
| bmonty | same here | 03:37 |
| bmonty | where I grew up, you get your stuff from the store in a "bag" | 03:38 |
| bmonty | here you get it in a "sack" | 03:38 |
| bmonty | here = midwest | 03:38 |
| bmonty | Us | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | heh, and lets not even get started on what Coca-Cola is ;-) | 03:38 |
| ryanakca | you get stuff from the store in a grocery bag.. | 03:38 |
| ryanakca | Coca-Cola = Coke... | 03:39 |
| bmonty | I did a big double take the first time someone asked me "would you like a sack?" | 03:39 |
| ryanakca | noname coke imitations = cola | 03:39 |
| ryanakca | pepsi = pepsi... to me at least | 03:39 |
| bmonty | heh...any carbonated beverage (with the exception of beer) is a coke in the south | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | pop vs. soda vs. cok | 03:39 |
| ryanakca | lol | 03:39 |
| crimsun | actually, no. | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | for me it was always pop | 03:40 |
| bmonty | crimsun: you are in Texas, right? | 03:40 |
| crimsun | we're extremely specific when it comes to soda, i.e., people will kill you if they ask for a coke and you bring a pepsi | 03:40 |
| crimsun | bmonty: N.C. | 03:40 |
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| LaserJock | sure | 03:41 |
| bmonty | crimsun: must be your part then....in Alabama they look at you weird if you ask for anything else | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | but some people coke=any soda | 03:41 |
| ryanakca | soda = soda water, ginger ale and stuff like that, pop = root beer, crush, club soda, etc. cola = coke, pepsi, noname imitations | 03:41 |
| bmonty | of course that might be just because it is Alabama | 03:41 |
| crimsun | bmonty: right, and it's even different in GA, SC, TN, FL, ... | 03:41 |
| ryanakca | coke is dark, and made by coca-cola. pepsi != coke. cola != coke | 03:42 |
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| bmonty | ryanakca: you guys drive on the wrong side of the road...I'd fix that before the vocabulary for drinks :) | 03:43 |
| ryanakca | bmonty: right side of the road = wrong side of the road? | 03:43 |
| ryanakca | heh, people in the UK drive on the wrong side of the road... | 03:43 |
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| zul | crimsun: isnt it called pop? | 03:46 |
| crimsun | hah | 03:46 |
| LaserJock | zul: of course | 03:49 |
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| ryanakca | Toadstool: heh, never knew you spoke french... after 5 times of massive ping everybody in a chanelling pingdom, people tend to be in a bad mood | 04:10 |
| Toadstool | hehe | 04:10 |
| ryanakca | hence my 'I recommend 'rm -fr /' to trolls' comment :P | 04:10 |
| Toadstool | 'evening everybody | 04:11 |
| === ryanakca stops procrastinating and goes to bed | ||
| Toadstool | g'night then | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | afternoon | 04:17 |
| === ajmitch is finally back after fighting with broken network cabling | ||
| Toadstool | :) | 04:17 |
| LaserJock | bummer ajmitch | 04:18 |
| === Toadstool still struggling with git, bcm43xx, dscape, etc. | ||
| imbrandon | moins all | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | hi imbrandon | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | heya LaserJock | 04:27 |
| Toadstool | hey imbrandon | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | ello Toadstool | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | hey imbrandon | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | hiya ajmitch | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | welp i guess we find out tomarrow whom is sponsored to the dev summit ;) | 04:29 |
| === imbrandon is looking forward to it | ||
| LaserJock | man, maxima takes forever to compile, no wonder people don't want to work on it ;-) | 04:29 |
| Toadstool | heh | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | yay, getting a free DSL upgrade | 04:29 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, nice | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | should be around about 6Mbps/1Mbps after this | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | depending on how close I am to exchange | 04:29 |
| imbrandon | very cool , thats about what i have | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | i love it | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | I currently have 3.5/512 | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | nice | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | with a 20GB cap | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | cap will be 30GB in the upgrade | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | still quite low | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | mine is advetised at 8/1 i actually get about 6/768 | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | with no cap though | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | yea the cap is what kills yall ( au / nz ) | 04:31 |
| imbrandon | imho | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 04:31 |
| ajmitch | meils from anywhere | 04:31 |
| === StevenK has a 16Gb limit and doesn't go anywhere near it. | ||
| ajmitch | sigh | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | s/meils/miles/ | 04:32 |
| imbrandon | StevenK, wow cool | 04:32 |
| === ajmitch should not get distracted by trivial things like work | ||
| StevenK | It helps that downloads from midnight to midday aren't counted. | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: I share the connection with 4 others | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | and I don't have an off-peak download time | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | yay, xen 3.0.3~rc1 | 04:32 |
| imbrandon | StevenK, ahh thats nice ( m to m ) | 04:32 |
| Plug | ajmitch: which ISP? | 04:32 |
| imbrandon | makes it at leaste better | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | Plug: maxnet | 04:33 |
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| Plug | I changed from them to qsi. Who are about 1/2 the speed :( | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | ahhh new xen ;( /me wants to play with it .... | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | Plug: ah, shame - apparantly telecon have finally opened things up a bit more | 04:33 |
| Plug | yeah | 04:33 |
| Plug | I can change again | 04:33 |
| Plug | I'd go to xnet myself | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | Plug: why'd you switch? | 04:34 |
| Plug | -> #ubuntu-nz | 04:34 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, for the l18n of Upstream, is there a prefferred to Ubuntu py library? | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | lastnode, hum not sure, i'm sure there is but i dont know it, look at the ubiguity kde frontend | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | its in py and i18l stuff | 04:35 |
| lastnode | cheers | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | err i18n | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | is there a local AU mirror you can use StevenK that dont count to your cap either ? | 04:37 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: Nope, which is a pity. | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | i've seen that alot, that places that do have caps tend to mirror quite a bit of stuff uncapped | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | wow yea that sucks | 04:37 |
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| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | ah, Hobbsee... | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | what the?!?!?! | 04:39 |
| === ajmitch gets pitchforks & torches ready | ||
| imbrandon | LaserJock, ?!? | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: what now? | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | I just rebuilt maxima in my edgy pbuilder and it works! | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that's good, perhaps it was built against old libraries? | 04:40 |
| crimsun | now now, be gentle, ajmitch | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | heya crimsun | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | perhaps, but I don't know what | 04:40 |
| crimsun | 'lo imbrandon | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: bug 63449 | 04:41 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63449 in dapper-backports "Gcompris is out of date on Ubuntu Dapper - please backport ver. 7.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63449 | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | sorry, not that one | 04:41 |
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| LaserJock | oh, that's a good one though | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | bug 63349 | 04:41 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63349 in Ubuntu "Request for inclusion of new package (murrine)" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63349 | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon ajmitch | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: I have a complaint.. | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: do you now? | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: yes | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | you said that bug should be rejected | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | oops | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | naughty Hobbsee | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | i thought it was in the wrong place | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | you never read the bug | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | point | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | don't tell people to reject things when you don't even bother to read it :P | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | fine, you do it, i took a guess | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | I filed it | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | I'm hardly going to reject a bug I filed, am I? | 04:44 |
| Plug | https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bug/58544 | 04:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 58544 in dapper-backports "clamav 0.88.4" [High,Fix released] | 04:44 |
| Plug | so - where was the fix released to? | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | Plug, probably dapper-backports from the looks of it | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: okay, point. | 04:44 |
| Plug | imbrandon: yeah, sure: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz doesnt mention it :) | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | Plug, ahh ok, i was just going off the title ;) | 04:45 |
| imbrandon | Plug, lemme poke arround , one sec | 04:45 |
| Plug | imbrandon: cheers | 04:45 |
| crimsun | Plug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text= | 04:46 |
| crimsun | 2nd page, actually | 04:46 |
| Plug | crimsun: that means it is still sitting in the queue to build? | 04:46 |
| crimsun | no, binary NEW | 04:47 |
| crimsun | they've already built | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | Plug, thats the NEW queue for binary | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | yea what crimsun said | 04:47 |
| Plug | How do things move from NEW to archive? | 04:47 |
| crimsun | admin accepts | 04:47 |
| imbrandon | Plug, on tuesdays and fridays archive admins go through and approve them | 04:47 |
| Plug | right - makes sense. cheers to you both! | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | Tuesdays? I thought it was Thursday | 04:48 |
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| LaserJock | accept all the crack at the end of the week ;-) | 04:48 |
| imbrandon | hum tue afaik, i might have to lookup the email | 04:48 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 04:48 |
| Plug | Can I DL from the build queue? | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | nope | 04:49 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, Package cache file corrupted | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | what fixes that? | 04:51 |
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| imbrandon | LaserJock, apt-get clean possibly ? | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | or s/clean/autoclean/ | 04:51 |
| tuxmaniac | Someone here told me something? | 04:51 |
| tuxmaniac | I got dc | 04:52 |
| tuxmaniac | disconnected I mean | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I already did autoclean | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | tuxmaniac: you didnt miss anything | 04:52 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, hum , its it where apt-get segfaults right away ? | 04:52 |
| tuxmaniac | Hobbsee> Any suggestions? | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | tuxmaniac: no, but i dont know what you're after | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, i had that a few days ago, dunno what causes it, the only way i could fix it was to download a apt-get deb and downgrade then reupgrade ( apt-get dist-upgrade ) | 04:53 |
| tuxmaniac | Hobbsee> I upgraded to edgy | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, i never did figure it out the cause | 04:53 |
| tuxmaniac | Hobbsee> but ubuntu-desktop | 04:53 |
| tuxmaniac | got removed and does not seem to have got installed | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: it's not a problem | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | it just gives me a warning | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | eveything works fine | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, ahh mine was segfaulting, might be a diffrent issue | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | tuxmaniac: ahh. with apt-get, or with the update manager? | 04:54 |
| tuxmaniac | I tried to manually install ubuntu-desktop but says it depends on xorg and xorg is not gonna be installed | 04:54 |
| tuxmaniac | apt-get | 04:54 |
| minghua | I've seen that apt bug | 04:54 |
| tuxmaniac | :| | 04:54 |
| StevenK | Try to manually install xorg | 04:54 |
| minghua | something about your /var/cache/apt/*.bin cache files | 04:54 |
| tuxmaniac | sudo apt-get install xorg? | 04:54 |
| imbrandon | sudo apt-get install xorg | 04:54 |
| minghua | move them out of way and try apt-get again | 04:55 |
| tuxmaniac | looks like that.. it says now liggl1-mesa-dri needs to be installed but is not.. Broken packages | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | then keep going thru till you find what's broken | 04:56 |
| tuxmaniac | Can I do a apt-get -f install ? | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | ok, so do you think I could file a bug for a rebuild or do I need to upload a Xbuild1? | 04:57 |
| Plug | New version specified (0.88.4-1ubuntu1~dapper1) is less than the current version number (0.88.4-1ubuntu1) | 04:58 |
| Plug | I thought ~ was designed for fixing that? | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | Plug: I believe so | 04:58 |
| crimsun | 0.88.4-1ubuntu1 doesn't exist in dapper | 04:59 |
| Plug | No, I'm backporting from edgy | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | right | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | so ~ works | 04:59 |
| Plug | Just not today | 05:00 |
| Plug | I'm sure this has worked before | 05:00 |
| crimsun | 0.88.4-1ubuntu1 is in edgy. Are you trying to install the dapper backport in an edgy chroot or something? | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure what you're doing | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | Plug, that statement is correct, that way when you backoport something and then its uopgraded to the "real" version in edgy it will be replaced | 05:00 |
| Plug | I've got the source and I'm backporting it myself. dpkg -x *.dsc; dch -v version~dapper1; dpkg-buildpackage. | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | k | 05:01 |
| imbrandon | and dch -v is giving you problems ?> manualy edit it , dch might not be smart yet | 05:02 |
| crimsun | well, right, so you'd have to adjust the previous changelog entr{ies,y} | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | but apt knows | 05:02 |
| Plug | Thats a plausible answer :) | 05:02 |
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| LaserJock | hmmm | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | so now I need to figure out how to fix maxima in dapper | 05:13 |
| lastnode | imbrandon, we're having a meeting tomorrow (Monday 2330UTC), and you're invited. im sure you're busy, just wanted to let you know. agenda is here - http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Meetings/Developer/20061002 | 05:13 |
| imbrandon | lastnode, sure, i'll try to make it , cant promis but i'll do my best | 05:14 |
| lastnode | sure, just a heads up, mate. | 05:14 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Did it get fixed in Edgy? | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: yes | 05:19 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: From a newer version or did someone figure it out? | 05:19 |
| LaserJock | I just rebuild from source | 05:19 |
| LaserJock | I have no idea what happened | 05:19 |
| minghua | bascially Works for LaserJock(TM) :-) | 05:20 |
| LaserJock | .deb from repos doesn't work, .deb I rebuild from source works | 05:20 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 05:20 |
| LaserJock | actually | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | we did get a new maxima and gcl | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | since last I tried | 05:22 |
| crimsun | a new gcl version was just released, too | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | I don't think i'ts maxima | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | *it's | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | the new maxima version was a NMU for an automake thing | 05:23 |
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| imbrandon | sudo dpkg -i ibm-j2re1.5_1.5.0_powerpc.deb | 05:30 |
| imbrandon | gah | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | hmmm | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: I found this, "Fix socket write error" in gcl 2.6.7-21 | 05:31 |
| bddebian | Oohh, that could do it | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's what I'm thinking | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | I think i'll try backporting gcl to dapper and rebuild maxima | 05:33 |
| Fujitsu | Aha, that does look very suspicious. | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | what I don't get is why it worked in Debian | 05:34 |
| crimsun | did all previous pbuilt (dapper) versions work? | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | previous to what? | 05:35 |
| Fujitsu | 'cause Debian's crazy and has this great aura which ensures that everything works. | 05:35 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: meaning all versions you've pbuilt | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: this is the first one I've tried that worked | 05:36 |
| minghua | hmm, pbuild is a verb now...? | 05:36 |
| zakame | hmm the FOSS is working :P | 05:36 |
| zakame | hi all anyway :) | 05:36 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, has been for years. | 05:36 |
| crimsun | minghua: for space-saving reasons ;) | 05:36 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: ah. | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | dapper is still broken, afaik | 05:37 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 05:37 |
| minghua | Fujitsu, crimsun: :-) | 05:37 |
| zakame | yo bddebian | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | ok | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | so I'm just rebuilding dapper's version with what's in the repos | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | that should not work | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | then I'll backport gcl and try again | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | sound reasonable? | 05:39 |
| bddebian | yep | 05:40 |
| minghua | sounds good (especially when you are looking for is "should not work" :-) | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | good thing I didn't dist upgrade my last dapper machine ;-) | 05:41 |
| LaserJock | ok, not working upon rebuild | 05:51 |
| imbrandon | thats a good thing(tm) right ? | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | yep | 05:52 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, have you ever used java-package ? | 05:52 |
| LaserJock | at least it's still broken like I thought ;-) | 05:52 |
| crimsun | yes | 05:52 |
| imbrandon | ahh the ibm java packages in plf dont have a source package but they say they are buildt with java-package | 05:53 |
| imbrandon | is that some autocrack like checkinstall ? | 05:53 |
| minghua | java-package doesn't require source | 05:53 |
| minghua | it's better than checkinstall, more like equivs | 05:54 |
| crimsun | java-package is far more sane | 05:54 |
| imbrandon | e.g. This package has been automatically created with java-package (0.27). | 05:54 |
| imbrandon | for the ibm-java jre | 05:54 |
| imbrandon | hum , i wonder if the ibm license will allow it to be in multiverse | 05:55 |
| minghua | java-package has sane control file and {pre,post}{inst,rm} scripts | 05:55 |
| crimsun | we need 0.28. | 05:55 |
| crimsun | [http://packages.qa.debian.org/j/java-package/news/20060816T001750Z.html] | 05:55 |
| bddebian | Or we could just purge *java* from the archives :) | 05:55 |
| imbrandon | bddebian, heh | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, looks syncable | 05:57 |
| crimsun | being native, yeah. | 05:58 |
| imbrandon | i guess i'm still kinda wondering why its needed/used to make the ibm packages | 06:00 |
| imbrandon | and do we have a list like debian-legale to ask about putting ibm java in multiverse ( or maybe -commercial ) | 06:02 |
| Fujitsu | Or can we put Java in /dev/null? | 06:02 |
| Fujitsu | That's a more appropriate place. | 06:02 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:02 |
| zakame | most appropriate? | 06:03 |
| crimsun | honestly it would be lovely if ibm's jdk1.5 were in dapper-commercial | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:03 |
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| ThiefOfBaghdad | Ok. My X is screwed :D | 06:12 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | I am on irssi | 06:12 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | Can someone say how to recitfy this problem | 06:12 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | The error is it says X has been build for 2.6.15 | 06:12 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | but the running version is 2.6.17 | 06:13 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | and X window is unable to boot up | 06:13 |
| Toadstool | yeeha! bcm43xx 0 - Toadstool 1 | 06:14 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:14 |
| Toadstool | hey bddebian | 06:14 |
| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 06:14 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | bddebian: grrr.. Laughing at me?? :| | 06:15 |
| bddebian | ThiefOfBaghdad: No, Toadstool :) | 06:15 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | bddebian: Any solution for me ??? :D | 06:15 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | No X and the error is up | 06:16 |
| bddebian | ThiefOfBaghdad: No, I'm outta of the loop lately, sorry :-( | 06:16 |
| Toadstool | ThiefOfBaghdad: have you asked on #ubuntu? | 06:16 |
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| ThiefOfBaghdad | Toadstool: its for Dapper right? | 06:16 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | Whats for ubuntu+1 ? | 06:16 |
| Toadstool | #ubuntu-testing no? | 06:17 |
| Toadstool | at least there is a #ubuntu-fr-testing chan :p | 06:17 |
| ThiefOfBaghdad | Toadstool: bah | 06:18 |
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| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | gnight bddebian | 06:41 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, gcl takes forever to build | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | I just *had* to pick gcl and maxima to build | 06:58 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, that's fortunate. | 06:58 |
| Fujitsu | People should be dissuaded from using LISP as much as possible. | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | you know, one of the first merges I ever did was wxwidgets2.6 | 06:59 |
| Fujitsu | And making the compiler take forever to compile is helping that cause. | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | I should have known then | 06:59 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, I guess it's probably been a little less then 20 min. | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | oh wait | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | oh good, the debian dinstall run happened today | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | haha | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | 1 hr and 20 mins ;-) | 07:02 |
| minghua | 20 min is a long build? | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | I miss read the clock | 07:03 |
| minghua | that's better | 07:03 |
| minghua | my package takes 20 mins to build on my machine | 07:03 |
| minghua | (although it's usually 3-5 mins on fast buildds) | 07:03 |
| zakame | which pkg? | 07:03 |
| minghua | zakame: scim | 07:04 |
| zakame | ah | 07:04 |
| minghua | I have a 1GHz AMD Athlon by the way | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | heh | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | if I was doing it on my 1.3GHz P4 it'd take much longer | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | thank goodness it's the weekend and I can use my laptop | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | but then I need to rebuild maxima with this gcl | 07:07 |
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| minghua | hmm, time to put my packaging envrionments to a faster machine, it seems | 07:12 |
| minghua | but then again, m68k builld spends 9 hours to build scim, so I'm not complaining for what I have now :-P | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | ouch | 07:13 |
| minghua | LaserJock: It may happen to be a slow buildd, I don't check buildd log frequently | 07:15 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, what is a good way to build .debs withing a pbuilder login? | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | dpkg-buildpackage in unpacked source? | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | do I need fakeroot for that as I'm logged into the chroot as root | 07:46 |
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| Lathiat | dpkg-buildpackage yeh | 07:49 |
| Lathiat | fakeroot only needed if your not otherwise root | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I found a script the other day to get build deps when logged in too but now I can't find it | 07:51 |
| Lathiat | /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends :) | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | ah thanks | 07:52 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, now this isn't making sense | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | do I run pbuilder-satisfydepends from within the chroot? | 07:59 |
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| imbrandon | LaserJock, why cant you just run "apt-get build-dep package" in the pbuilder login / chroot ? | 08:02 |
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| LaserJock | well, it isn't necessarily in the apt cache | 08:03 |
| imbrandon | pbuilder login has network access afaik | 08:03 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, yes, it does. | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | no | 08:03 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, umm why not ? | 08:03 |
| LaserJock | my point is, the package I"m trying to build might not be in the apt-repo | 08:04 |
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| imbrandon | LaserJock, ahh then in that case i just install them by hand in the chroot | 08:04 |
| imbrandon | never seen an automatic way, myself | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | this command is supposed to do it for me | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | I used it the other day | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | but now I'm confused | 08:04 |
| LaserJock | must be late | 08:04 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | 1am | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | well 11pm for you | 08:05 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 08:05 |
| imbrandon | hrm its what 6am utc ? | 08:05 |
| Fujitsu | Yeh. | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | heh i'm getting used to useing this laptop | 08:06 |
| LaserJock | ok, of it goes | 08:06 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock, did you get maxima sorted out? | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | got some external speakers and a mouse hooked to it and i'm good ;) | 08:07 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, i think thats what hs is working on | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: working on it | 08:07 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: are you using osx? | 08:07 |
| Lathiat | ah ydh need to install gcl to compile maxima? | 08:07 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, goodo. | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | gcl too like almost 2 hrs to build | 08:07 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, no ubuntu | 08:07 |
| Lathiat | i've done that manually perviously | 08:07 |
| nixternal | ahh | 08:07 |
| nixternal | k | 08:07 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, ubnutu on the ibook | 08:07 |
| nixternal | need someone with that stoopid osx browser to look at my blog layout | 08:07 |
| imbrandon | i cant use osx to do real work hehe i just like it for medioa | 08:08 |
| nixternal | rastafari or whatever it is called ;) | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | safari , and i use firefox on osx anyhow | 08:08 |
| imbrandon | when i do login to osx | 08:08 |
| nixternal | people with IE get kicked when they try to look at my blog now ;) | 08:08 |
| Fujitsu | nixternal, hahah, good idea. | 08:08 |
| nixternal | my layout is like OK, but it doesn't do it for me just yet | 08:09 |
| nixternal | http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org | 08:09 |
| imbrandon | i dont want to kick them from mine but a big firefox download page redirect would be nice | 08:09 |
| nixternal | well, they don't get kicked, but they get a page where they can download Firefox, look at Konqi, Epiphany, Ubuntu *all of um...Open Source and FSF info | 08:09 |
| === Fujitsu must get around to starting up a blog at some point. | ||
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:10 |
| nixternal | i should embed a trojan in the antiie.html page ;) | 08:10 |
| nixternal | i must get my own domain at some point ;) | 08:10 |
| imbrandon | Fujitsu, if / when you do i can do the hosting for you | 08:10 |
| imbrandon | if you wish | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | i have quite a lot of extra bandwidth | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:11 |
| Fujitsu | imbrandon, I might take you up on that, but I've got the ubuntu.com.au server at my disposal, and it already hosts blogs for a few members of other LoCo teams... | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:12 |
| Fujitsu | And I've been looking for a good domain, but fujitsu.* and williamgrant.* are pretty much all taken, unfortunately :( | 08:12 |
| imbrandon | imfujitsu.com ;) lol just teasin | 08:12 |
| Fujitsu | imwilliam! | 08:13 |
| Fujitsu | Yay. | 08:13 |
| Fujitsu | Or not. | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | lol | 08:13 |
| nixternal | haha | 08:13 |
| Fujitsu | Hm, williamgrant.ca is available... Although they have restrictions on them (ie. you have to be a citizen or registered business), but I am a citizen anyway... Or fujitsu.id.au, or williamgrant.id.au... | 08:14 |
| Fujitsu | But none of them are particularly great domains :( | 08:14 |
| imbrandon | yea | 08:15 |
| === StevenK hugs his domain | ||
| === imbrandon hugs his too | ||
| imbrandon | StevenK, whats yours ? i dident know you ran a site | 08:16 |
| StevenK | wedontsleep.org | 08:17 |
| Lathiat | heh | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | ahh cool | 08:17 |
| minghua | nice name | 08:19 |
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| tuxmaniac | Hobbsee: | 08:26 |
| tuxmaniac | Some one willing to share their gdm.conf file? I mean after an edgy upgrade? Looks like gdm is fscked up actually | 08:27 |
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| tuxmaniac | Booo hooooo.. On edgy | 08:42 |
| tuxmaniac | X running | 08:42 |
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| LaserJock | \o/ | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | it works!!! | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: ^^ | 08:54 |
| Fujitsu | Yay :) | 08:54 |
| Fujitsu | So the new gcl fixed it? | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | yep | 08:54 |
| Fujitsu | Hahah :) | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | xmaxima and wxmaxima work fine | 08:54 |
| Fujitsu | Woohoo. | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | sooo | 08:54 |
| Fujitsu | Now to convince people that that wants to be in -updates. | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | we need to get maxima rebuilt in edgy | 08:55 |
| Fujitsu | Do you want to do that, or shall I? | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | I think we should be able to find the patch in gcl and apply it to dapper's gcl I think | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | go for it | 08:56 |
| Fujitsu | Hopefully... | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | I need to go to bed | 08:56 |
| Fujitsu | We're presuming it was the socket writing fix? | 08:56 |
| Fujitsu | OK, so just maxima wants rebuilding? | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | well, it's not a new upstream version | 08:56 |
| Fujitsu | Not {w,}xmaxima? | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | so maybe we can just grab the edgy version | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | no | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | maxima was having the problem | 08:56 |
| Fujitsu | Thought so. | 08:57 |
| Fujitsu | The proper gcl is in Edgy, I presume... | 08:57 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, there. | 08:58 |
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| Fujitsu | The symptom of the maxima fault is a connection error, no? | 09:03 |
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| imbrandon | ahhhh food , bbiab | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | whoop it got quiet in here | 10:04 |
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| zakame | wb dholbach | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | moins dholbach | 10:04 |
| zakame | yo imbrandon | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | sup zakame | 10:05 |
| dholbach | good morning | 10:05 |
| dholbach | hey zakame, imbrandon! | 10:05 |
| zakame | imbrandon: here pretty much learning C++ | 10:05 |
| zakame | picking it up again after 5 years | 10:05 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:05 |
| imbrandon | ok dinners cooked, brb | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | oh man, dholbach is up? I need to go to bed | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: indeed | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:12 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: and I was running already !! :-) | 10:12 |
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| Fujitsu | What are my chances of getting numpy 1.0 in (it'll be released on the 17th of October >_<)? Almost 0, I'd presume, although the current version is 1.0rc1. | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | Fujitsu: depends on how many bugs were fixed | 11:00 |
| Fujitsu | You're still up!? | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | if the new upstream is mostly bug fixes and not a bunch of new features it stands a good chance | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | going to be now | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | 2:00am here | 11:00 |
| Fujitsu | I believe it'll be all bug fixes. | 11:01 |
| Fujitsu | Goodnight, although you said you were going to bed about 2 hours ago. | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | did I? | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | I should have for sure | 11:01 |
| Fujitsu | Well, you said you needed to go to bed 2:05 ago: | 11:01 |
| Fujitsu | <LaserJock> I need to go to bed | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | ugg | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | that's bad | 11:02 |
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| Fujitsu | It does, but it doesn't copy them. | 11:02 |
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| minghua | I think it's just LaserJock keep saying he needs to go to bed | 11:07 |
| minghua | and Fujitsu didn't pick up the most recent one :-) | 11:07 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, at 08:11:23? | 11:08 |
| Fujitsu | Be back in a bit, dinner. | 11:08 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: (my 3:07, UTC-0500) <LaserJock> oh man, dholbach is up? I need to go to bed | 11:09 |
| minghua | hmm, dholbach, sorry for the highlight | 11:09 |
| dholbach | minghua: that's part of LasterJock's and crimsun's race who can stay up longer :-/ | 11:10 |
| minghua | Hmm, numpy is already 1.0rc1 in debian/ubuntu, very nice | 11:13 |
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| xerxas | Hi | 11:32 |
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| crimsun | dholbach: bah. | 11:38 |
| minghua | so crimsun won, I see | 11:39 |
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| Fujitsu | minghua, that's the one I mentioned. | 11:40 |
| Fujitsu | minghua, of course it's in Ubuntu, I made sure of that (it was a few days before Debian). | 11:41 |
| Fujitsu | It was really bad timing, Debian released rc1 like a day after UniverseFreeze. | 11:41 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: I don't know if it's really worth it | 11:41 |
| Fujitsu | What's not worth it? | 11:42 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: of course if you really want to spend time on that, nobody can say no | 11:42 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: getting 1.0 release in edgy | 11:42 |
| minghua | the time is too tight | 11:42 |
| Fujitsu | It didn't take more than half an hour to do, and a number of people had requested it. | 11:42 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: yeah, getting 1.0rc1 in is worth it | 11:43 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: I am talking about 1.0 (scheduled to be released on 17th) | 11:44 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, OK. | 11:44 |
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| tuxmaniac | heya gang | 01:03 |
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| zakame | yo tortoise_ | 01:14 |
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| fatal__ | please import the latest bandwidthd from debian unstable, the -6 version you currently have is broken. | 01:48 |
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| minghua | fatal__: is there a bug open? if no, please file one | 01:57 |
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| minghua | fatal__: and thanks for reporting it to us | 02:00 |
| minghua | (now that I see you are the Debian maintainer) | 02:01 |
| minghua | Hmm, I am going to bed | 02:06 |
| tortoise_ | yo zakame | 02:06 |
| minghua | if fatal__ responds, someone please help him filing a UVF exception request for bandwidthd | 02:07 |
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| minghua | I'll check tomorrow if I remember, and do it myself if no one else did | 02:07 |
| minghua | good night everyone | 02:08 |
| fatal__ | I've written up a bug... submitting it now. Whats a UVF? | 02:08 |
| azeem | fatal__: upstream version freeze | 02:09 |
| fatal__ | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bandwidthd/+bug/63548 | 02:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63548 in bandwidthd "Please update to the latest version from Debian Unstable - Edgys -6 version is miserably broken." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 02:09 |
| azeem | that should be fine, it's not an upstream version change | 02:11 |
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| StevenK | Hum. | 02:34 |
| StevenK | /usr/sbin/airmon-ng from aircrack-ng is a #!/bin/sh, but it is full of bashisms. | 02:34 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:41 |
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| tuxmaniac | ok. Looks like I have figured out the problem | 04:36 |
| tuxmaniac | Anybody around got this gnome-setings-daemon unable to load error when you enter the Edgy Desktop? | 04:36 |
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| phanatic | good afternoon | 04:53 |
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| jdong | what's the MOTU policy on deviating from upstream? | 05:32 |
| jdong | for our acidrip packages, I'd like to change the default xvid options to more match the lavc ones | 05:32 |
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| jdong | (namely, take mplayer.hu's high-quality xvid recommendations) | 05:33 |
| Riddell | jdong: if it's the best thing to do then deviation from upstream is fine | 05:35 |
| jdong | Riddell: thanks for the advice. I'm still doing abit more testing on exactly how much encoding time this adds on, but so far it looks like it's well worth the gains | 05:36 |
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| xopher | How do I apply .diff.gz file to original tar.gz? | 06:13 |
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| Riddell | xopher: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc | 06:15 |
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| Riddell | which is in devscripts | 06:15 |
| xopher | thanks | 06:15 |
| xopher | uhm, dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file type - `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17_2.6.17.5-6.1.diff.gz' | 06:15 |
| jdong | ok, I've got the patch made for acidrip.... would a kind motu soul like to upload it for me? | 06:16 |
| jdong | xopher: umm, *.dsc? | 06:16 |
| xopher | jdong, I did it on the .dsc, but this is what I get | 06:16 |
| jdong | xopher: that usually means your diff.gz file is corrupted | 06:16 |
| xopher | ok, well Ill double check it | 06:16 |
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| bipolar | do motu handle backports in universe too or is that another group? | 06:20 |
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| jdong | bipolar: that's the backporters | 06:24 |
| jdong | bipolar: (and you're looking at one :D ) | 06:24 |
| bipolar | woot! | 06:24 |
| bipolar | need the new version of gnucash in there :) | 06:24 |
| bipolar | I have a working version myself, created by a 3rd party | 06:24 |
| jdong | got a few requests for it already... | 06:24 |
| jdong | do you know if the edgy one builds in dapper? | 06:24 |
| bipolar | but it took *forever* to find it | 06:24 |
| bipolar | heh | 06:24 |
| bipolar | jdong: I gave it a shot just with buildpackage, but the deps didn't match | 06:25 |
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| jdong | bipolar: can you give it a shot with prevu? | 06:25 |
| bipolar | jdong: libgoffice is missing | 06:25 |
| bipolar | prevu? | 06:25 |
| jdong | bipolar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268687&highlight=prevu | 06:26 |
| jdong | it's an automated backports compiler | 06:26 |
| bipolar | ahh... cool | 06:27 |
| bipolar | yeah. I'll give it a shot | 06:27 |
| bipolar | jdong: btw, the person that created the debs I'm using now is kleeman on the forums. | 06:27 |
| jdong | I'm not sure how he created the packages | 06:28 |
| jdong | but only packages that build cleanly from edgy can be put in dapper-backports | 06:28 |
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| jdong | motu poke? | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | is it possible to remove a version of a package from the repos? | 06:42 |
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| jdong | LaserJock: I've poked the archive admins about that before for backports... so I guess the answer is yes | 06:54 |
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| LaserJock | well, this would be in edgy Universe | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | maybe I'll give it a shot | 06:55 |
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| jdong | well, I don't see why it would be any different for ubuntu-archive to flex their muscles in a different pocket :) | 06:57 |
| Hawkwind | jdong: Why isn't prevu in Dapper ? | 07:04 |
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| jdong | Hawkwind: because I just wrote prevu over the weekend? :) | 08:01 |
| Hawkwind | jdong: Oh! | 08:02 |
| jdong | :) | 08:02 |
| Hawkwind | jdong: So it'll eventually get into Ubuntu then I assume ? | 08:02 |
| jdong | Hawkwind: if you want to fix my debianizing to be MOTU-compilant, I'd love to see it in universe | 08:02 |
| jdong | I just dh_maked it enough that it works and doesn't look too broken | 08:03 |
| === jdong is no packaging whiz | ||
| Hawkwind | Me neither. I just tried it on a package real quick that I knew would build and it worked really great | 08:03 |
| Hawkwind | Only thing I don't like about it is the package name tag is a bit long and actually puts 'prevu' into it. Should somehow make that customizable for people who like to backport stuff for 3rd party repos maybe | 08:04 |
| jdong | yeah, it's a wonderfully convenient tool :) | 08:04 |
| jdong | well, it takes whatever deb-src repos you have listed in sources.list | 08:04 |
| jdong | or, it can be used like pdebuild (run prevu with no arguments in dpkg-source -x'ed directory) | 08:04 |
| jdong | it will also use its output debs directory as an APT repo, so you can build against previously prevu'ed packages | 08:05 |
| jdong | that seems to me like 3rd parties should be able to effectively use it | 08:05 |
| jdong | brb, time to look at what's cooking in kde :) | 08:06 |
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| Hawkwind | I happen to run the largest 3rd party repo for Mandriva and I do most of my stuff by backporting stuff from their Cooker(beta/unstable) branch to the latest stable. I would love to use prevu for adding more Ubuntu stuff to my rpeo | 08:09 |
| Hawkwind | My repo/site currently gets about 2 million hits per month :) | 08:09 |
| jdong | that's cool | 08:10 |
| jdong | and I don't doubt your figures at all | 08:10 |
| jdong | when backports used to be on a private server, it got 25GB/min of downloads | 08:10 |
| jdong | I couldn't keep up | 08:11 |
| Hawkwind | Heh yeah. Seems to be a big market for sure | 08:11 |
| jdong | I'm personally very happy with prevu... it was time well spent for me | 08:11 |
| jdong | now, people have an easy way of rolling their own backports | 08:11 |
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| Hawkwind | jdong: If I wanted to backport package 'foo' and it had a dep of 'bar' does prevu just build foo and then you have to build bar as well, or will it build everything at once ? | 08:11 |
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| jdong | you have to build bar first, run sudo prevu-update, then build foo | 08:12 |
| === bddebian just jumps off a cliff and ends it all | ||
| Hawkwind | Ah ok. Figured as much as it's probably best to do it that way | 08:12 |
| jdong | bddebian: did you try another azureus or something? | 08:12 |
| jdong | bddebian: since you decided to reveal that you're on, would you like to be my MOTU slave of the moment? | 08:13 |
| Hawkwind | jdong: I assume if I tried to build foo which requires bar, the script would error and tell me ? | 08:13 |
| jdong | :D | 08:13 |
| jdong | Hawkwind: right. during dependency resolution, it will fail and notify you | 08:13 |
| bddebian | jdong: I'm not sure I can, I am supposed to be "working". What do you need? | 08:14 |
| jdong | bddebian: a patch added to acidrip | 08:14 |
| bddebian | jdong: You have the patch? | 08:14 |
| Hawkwind | jdong: Awesome! I built a package I new had no deps(that I didn't already have atleast) that I package all the time, xchat | 08:14 |
| jdong | bddebian: bug 63595 | 08:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63595 in acidrip "acidrip should provide xvid defaults" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63595 | 08:14 |
| jdong | Hawkwind: glad to hear you like it. prevu uses pbuilder internally, which is build tool of choice for Ubuntu/Debian developers | 08:15 |
| jdong | prevu builds packages in exactly the same way that the dapper-backports repository would | 08:15 |
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| bddebian | jdong: Test building now | 08:23 |
| jdong | bddebian: thank you :) | 08:23 |
| === jdong will learn how to use dpatch one of these days | ||
| bddebian | No, THANK YOU :-) | 08:23 |
| === jdong has trouble finding spare time :) | ||
| bddebian | Oh, I didn't dpatch it, it's right in the source :-) | 08:24 |
| jdong | hehe :) | 08:24 |
| jdong | that works too | 08:24 |
| === jdong just went through 12 dvd rips over the weekend | ||
| jdong | figured that I might make acidrip usable while I'm at it | 08:24 |
| jdong | xvid from my experience is better than lavc's codec... | 08:25 |
| bddebian | jdong: Now, wanna help me debug my Hurd problems? :) | 08:26 |
| jdong | bddebian: I wish I knew anything about hurd :) | 08:26 |
| bddebian | Me too :) | 08:26 |
| jdong | now, to investigate/fix bug 63582.... | 08:27 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63582 in acidrip "Crop detection fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63582 | 08:27 |
| bddebian | jdong: Uploaded | 08:34 |
| jdong | bddebian: thank you very much | 08:34 |
| bddebian | jdong: I live to serve :) | 08:36 |
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| xopher | How can I generate a sha1 password? | 08:43 |
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| sladen | xopher: htpasswd -s ? | 08:51 |
| xopher | thank you | 08:52 |
| Hawkwind | jdong: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/128 | 09:07 |
| Hawkwind | jdong: What exactly is this supposed to mean ? | 09:07 |
| jdong | Hawkwind: the actual build message further up | 09:08 |
| jdong | Hawkwind: what you pastebined was after the build failed, the builder cleaning up after itself | 09:08 |
| Hawkwind | Oh, got it. Thanks | 09:09 |
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| joejaxx | imbrandon: are you there? | 09:22 |
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| Q-FUNK | siretart: are you sure you reported on the right package in bug#63617 ? | 10:06 |
| Q-FUNK | Bug #63617 | 10:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63617 in upgrade-system "crash while removing packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63617 | 10:06 |
| Q-FUNK | hmm... typos r us | 10:07 |
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| siretart | Q-FUNK: ;) | 10:14 |
| Q-FUNK | siretart: at least it seems to me that you reported on the wrong package... | 10:16 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 10:18 |
| zul | hey | 10:18 |
| Q-FUNK | siretart: or is there anything I missed in your report? | 10:18 |
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| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: ping | 10:25 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello LaserJock | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: I have a question for you | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: you merged goffice for edgy | 10:27 |
| Gloubiboulga | yes | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: but did you know that you merged the Debian experimental version | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | your changelog entry says unstable I believe | 10:28 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, my changelog is wrong then | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | but the version you merged is from experimental | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | was there a reason for that? | 10:28 |
| Gloubiboulga | Daniel asked me to pick the ezxperimental package | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | grr, ok | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | it breaks a package I'm trying to get into edgy | 10:29 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, which package ? | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | but if Daniel asked you to then I assume he had a reason | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | gnome-chemisty-utils | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | the author said that version of goffice is very unstable | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | and it's been in experimental for like 4 months | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I just wondered what the motivation was and if that was indeed what you meant to do | 10:30 |
| Gloubiboulga | I've not used goffice a lot actually | 10:30 |
| Gloubiboulga | I was surprised too when Daniel started to merge the experimental package and I asked him if he was sure about this, and he was :) | 10:31 |
| Q-FUNK | LaserJock: are you sue that chemistry supplies are not banned in USA? | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | heh, yes | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | I'm a chemist, we can get anything ;-) | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | it's the biologists that have more problems | 10:32 |
| Q-FUNK | oh? | 10:33 |
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| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: sure, I don't do test on living subjects, I don't deal with toxins, or biohazards | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | no DNA floating about | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | I just blast molecules with a laser | 10:35 |
| Q-FUNK | nukes! on a m***** snake! | 10:35 |
| Q-FUNK | ^plane | 10:36 |
| Q-FUNK | "thank you for buying 10kg of potassium nitrate and 2 litres of glycerin. find the invoice attached. yours, acme chemistry supplies LLC billing department" | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | sure | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | we make a nerve gas used in WW I all the time | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | how strict are the controls on some of that stuff? | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | none | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | it's a common synthetic chemistry compound | 10:39 |
| ajmitch | doesn't surprise me | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | there is no way to control stuff that tightly | 10:39 |
| Q-FUNK | afak most of the items can alreayd be found as industrial-grade cleaning agents at janitoring supplies or as fetilizers. | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | we have to account for the stuff we buy and get rid of | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | but that's mostly for budget people | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | and the EPA | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | making sure we aren't polluting the rivers | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | Q-FUNK: exactly | 10:40 |
| Q-FUNK | funny how small research labs have to obey EPA regulations and 2 miles down the road a factory is killing all the oxygen in the river. | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | well, they get hit too, but they like to threaten us a lot | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | tbh, our medium size uni does produce a whole lot of nasty stuff | 10:41 |
| Q-FUNK | labs are comparatively small. little legal budget and no apparent immediate ROI from the layman's point f view. meanwhile, factories pocket fortunes and employ whole towns. | 10:42 |
| Q-FUNK | still, it sad how research labs try to do everything by the book and yet factories that produce waste in much bigger volumes don't. | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | I'm pretty sure my uni produces the most pollutants and uses the most electricity of any organization in the city | 10:43 |
| Q-FUNK | yikes | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | but I know what you mean | 10:43 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that's quite likely here as well | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | my building alone costs something like $300,000 in heat/electricity per month | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | ouch | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | they have been shutting down all non-essential buildings on campus for 2-3 weeks at Christmas | 10:44 |
| === ajmitch hates to think what costs the uni here has | ||
| LaserJock | saves them close to a $1milllion | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | I think my uni also uses the most water of any organization | 10:45 |
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| siretart | Q-FUNK: oh, indeed. probably update-manager would have been a better choice. sorry for the noise | 11:05 |
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| Q-FUNK | siretart: I was just wondering where all those logs were coming from, but then I noticed the python bits. | 11:06 |
| AnAnt | a problem in multiverse I think | 11:06 |
| siretart | they are indeed from update-manager | 11:06 |
| AnAnt | there's a game called uqm | 11:06 |
| siretart | AnAnt: even if, update-manager should just break in that case | 11:06 |
| AnAnt | the repos has version 0.5.0-2ubuntu1 of that game | 11:06 |
| AnAnt | yet, that game depends on uqm-content (>=0.5) which is not available in the repos | 11:07 |
| AnAnt | siretart: huh ? | 11:07 |
| siretart | AnAnt: the result after this crash was a partial upgrade :( | 11:08 |
| AnAnt | siretart: btw, I did apt-get update, didn't use update-manager | 11:08 |
| Q-FUNK | siretart: dpkg -a --configure | 11:08 |
| Q-FUNK | ? | 11:08 |
| siretart | Q-FUNK: yes, this configured some packages. I needed to restart with apt-get upgrade | 11:09 |
| AnAnt | siretart: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=uqm&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all | 11:09 |
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| siretart | AnAnt: yes, this is a bug in uqm related packages. anyway, update-manager shouldn't break because of unmet deps | 11:10 |
| AnAnt | no, it doesn't break, it holds uqm to old version | 11:10 |
| siretart | AnAnt: hm. I noticed that it missed to upgrade a lot of unrealted packages | 11:12 |
| AnAnt | siretart: it ? | 11:12 |
| siretart | AnAnt: update-manager | 11:13 |
| AnAnt | bddebian: hide | 11:13 |
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| AnAnt | siretart: maybe | 11:13 |
| AnAnt | gotta go | 11:14 |
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