=== minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-128-94-236.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jazzypus [i=5663@tryll.uio.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-126-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] hi guys [12:20] hey LaserJock [12:21] what a weekend [12:22] FLOSS is sometimes a weird and frustrating place === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === no0tic [n=no0tic@151.52.86.19] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] LaserJock: what happened? [12:25] some stuff [12:25] kinda hard to explain [12:25] but a fair amount of people got mad at me [12:25] do it to get it off your mind, that surely helps [12:26] and I've closed my first attempt at FLOSS development [12:26] on dapper I used ipkungfu, but here on edgy it doesn't work, when I try to start it, it exits with bash errors, probably the script is wrong? [12:26] didn't even make a first release [12:26] sorry, probably this is a devel chan... === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] I just started my first FLOSS attempt [12:27] I hope it will work [12:27] LaserJock: that's unfortunate [12:27] no0tic: you probably want to look for an already file bug and if you don't find one report it [12:28] LaserJock, on launchpad.net is ok? [12:29] yep [12:30] ajmitch: it is, I sure didn't want it to turn out bad [12:31] LaserJock, ok, filed [12:32] LaserJock: that's okay, the first attempt usually fails :-) [12:32] LaserJock: sorry to hear you having a frustrated weekend though [12:33] if it was just me it wouldn't be so bad [12:33] but Edubuntu has been attacked a lot as well === no0tic [n=no0tic@151.52.86.19] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:35] LaserJock: RE: gallium? [12:36] (oliver's forwarded e-mail to e-d) [12:36] mhm [12:36] I've been emailing and IRC'ing for 2 days now [12:36] the 8th OSI layer, stubborn people. [12:37] :o [12:37] the funny thing is, I've spent more time cleaning up this mess then on the actual project [12:39] hm... why do you care at all? edubuntu choosed another program; some people aren't happy with that; so what? :) [12:39] because I respect their project and what they do for the Linux community [12:39] because 'some people' can be very vocal & disruptive [12:40] and they were spreading misinformation about Edubuntu === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-13-179.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] imagine if upstream cups decided that everything ubuntu has done was worth nitpicking and maligning [12:40] lol... well, that happend :) [12:41] they seem to have calmed somewhat, though === ajmitch wonders who bastian grupe is.. === BazziR <- [12:41] replying to a bug I filed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/63349 [12:41] Malone bug 63349 in Ubuntu "Request for inclusion of new package (murrine)" [Undecided,Needs info] [12:42] oh thats you? [12:42] BazziR: I really didn't need to add a package I'd just made to that wiki page :) [12:42] sorry. [12:42] but I asked in advance if to reject and I got an ack :) [12:42] from who? [12:42] uh [12:42] slomo i think [12:43] crimsun: if you ignore them, they give up [12:43] no, I see it - it was hobbsee [12:43] I'll talk to her later.. [12:43] oh, ok [12:44] now that I know your real name it wont happen again :) === ajmitch wonders whether hobbsee even looked at the bug [12:44] yeah i guess she didnt or just read the title. === ajmitch mutters [12:45] woo, go ajmitch. I was just going to submit my own gtk2-engines-murrine (since Xubuntu is considering it) [12:46] either Murrina-GT4 or Murrina-Gilouche is a candidate [12:46] crimsun: you can follow up on the bug then :) [12:47] now subbed :) [12:48] looks like I have to follow up on the copyright issue, which is annoying === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-13-179.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jinty [n=jinty@42.Red-83-49-48.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11fata0.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] whos is matthias klose? [01:23] gnomefreak: doko [01:24] ah [01:26] ubotu needs a "who is who" feature [01:27] thats what /whois minghua is for [01:27] assuming you are nice enough to set a real name [01:27] which most all developers are [01:28] tseng: but the other way around doesn't work, like both gnomefreak and ajmitch just asked in this channel [01:28] tseng: From real name to IRC nick, that is [01:28] just look it up in launchpad. launchpad is like facebook for geeks [01:29] i guess [01:29] I just know [01:29] there are only 30 some core-dev members [01:31] that would be too big a data base for ubotu i think [01:31] what, known ubuntu memberS? [01:31] its under 200 [01:33] ubotu can just check the launchpad, can't he? just like what he does with bug numbers or package names [01:33] Sorry, I don't know anything about can just check the launchpad, can't he? just like what he does with bug numbers or package names - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:33] he *could* [01:33] tell seveas if you think its that useful [01:34] i have all the maps in my head [01:34] you could, too [01:34] tseng: sure, I'll ask [01:34] I may look at the code myself, actually [01:34] i would file a bug about it [01:34] because that would be handy for other channels I hang out, too [01:34] since he tells us to do that [01:46] bug #63457, there you go [01:46] Malone bug 63457 in ubuntu-bots "Please add feature to match real name to IRC nick (and vice versa)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63457 === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-124-242.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=fowlduck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jldugger [n=jldugger@adsl-71-149-200-224.dsl.tpkaks.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [02:03] hi Fujitsu [02:08] Hey LaserJock. [02:12] holy cow [02:13] I found yet another list I'm discussed on [02:13] lol [02:14] LaserJock: link? [02:14] Of course. What list could leave you out? You're too Ubuntuholic to be left out of any list. === tseng discusses LaserJock on ubuntu-mono [02:15] I'm on edubuntu-devel, blue-obelisk and kde-edu-devel [02:15] those are the ones I know of so far [02:16] plus the ~100 hate mails ogra got :/ [02:16] Gallium-related? [02:16] yep [02:16] ~50 blog comments [02:16] Yeah, they really don't seem to like you guys for that. [02:17] The thing is, I hadn't even worked much on Gallium [02:18] nobody cares about edubuntu-menus [02:18] or MOTU Science stuff [02:18] I just dared to start working on a GTK periodic table and all hell breaks loose ;-) [02:19] what did ogra say to get 100 hate mails? [02:19] nothing [02:19] it was because of me [02:19] he had nothing to do with it [02:20] s/me/Gallium/ [02:20] anyway, the storm will pass [02:21] I just feel ... like it's all my fault and I never want to work on FLOSS again [02:22] but that too will pass, I hope [02:23] anyway, enough about that [02:24] Fujitsu: how's MOTU Science looking? besides broken maxima stuff === amachu [n=amachu@125.22.67.153] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] boy did I kill the party in here or what === minghua was just reading the mails on edubuntu-devel [02:32] and saw poor ogra getting hammered [02:37] hmm, how do I search for channels again? [02:38] "/list #channel-name" is what I use [02:47] LaserJock: /msg chanserv list *search-term* Make sure you use the *'s [02:47] ah yeah === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] LaserJock: ogra got some threats on his health ie we will find where you live blah blah blah [02:55] zul: really? over this? [02:55] yeah he was saying that yesterday i think or today dont remember [02:56] oh man [02:56] I feel terrible [02:56] i wouldnt worry about it, he is a big boy [02:57] yes, but he had nothing to do with it [02:58] my gosh, it's just software [02:58] heh thats what i said [03:01] well, it looks like I'm going to try to learn some C++ [03:02] LaserJock: you are mad [03:03] I'm not sure if I'm really mad, perhaps [03:03] I'm mad that they are attacking Edubuntu [03:03] but I'm mostly sad right now === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] hi bmonty! [03:13] LaserJock: hmm... looking to start C++? try that book in the topic of ##C++... it looks good from what Ive seen of it... [03:14] or go out and buy Acelerated C++ (I'm told it's THE best c++ book around)... [03:14] thanks for the tips [03:14] never seen it === ryanakca whishes he knew C++ [03:15] I'm sort of not looking forward to learning it [03:15] I haven't even learned Python very well [03:15] I am... [03:15] lol, we're in the same boat [03:15] I can understand source code... but I can't write it... === ryanakca 's scope of programming is HTML and CSS :P [03:16] hi LaserJock [03:16] oh bugger [03:16] I've looked at C, Ruby, Python, PHP, C++... can't seem to stick with one for long though [03:17] I'm stuck with Fortran and Python so far [03:18] ...two extremes in technology [03:18] mhm [03:18] Ruby is unbelievably simple from what I've seen [03:18] lol [03:19] http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ [03:19] somehow I keep trying to convince myself I'm really a software developer and not a chemist ;-) [03:21] LaserJock: is there much of a difference in the technical areas? [03:21] I'm a EE and I spend a lot of time coding [03:21] BTW, I noticed we have been working on similar things this weekend :) [03:22] ruby is ridiculous. I keep wanting to teach stuff in Java (to abide by our curriculum standards), but I end up using Ruby and Python [03:23] bmonty: well, I'm an experimentalist [03:23] if I was a theoretical chemist I'd say yes [03:23] but I could do virtually all my work with very little computer interaction [03:23] LaserJock: you don't write code to run your lab instruments? [03:24] bmonty: I do, but I'm the only one it the department that does [03:24] because i like to [03:24] I'm the only one that doesn't use LabView [03:25] wow, this maxima debdiff is really strange [03:25] what the heck did we do [03:25] LaserJock: looks like we have both been playing with wordpress :) [03:26] where's your blog? [03:26] LaserJock: www.montynet.org [03:27] haha [03:28] :) === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] bmonty: I've even got drupal sorta started for my main site [03:32] cool [03:32] and of course the domain [03:32] I decided to make wordpress my main site since it looks like it can do pretty much everything I want [03:33] my first domain since I was like 14 [03:33] yeah, I debated about it, but I really wanted to seperate blog from site [03:33] back... they had an interesting news clip playing on CBC :) [03:34] LaserJock: once I figured out how to integrate gallery into wordpress I completely ditched my old site [03:34] LaserJock: chemist... chemist = pharmasist? or chemist = chemistry/science/research stuff? === ryanakca hates having to think about the different vocabulary across the pond [03:35] ryanakca: yeah, chemist = chemistry research [03:35] ah, kk, so I take it your north american :) [03:35] yes [03:36] perhaps I should correct that for the "silly" people [03:36] what do they call chemists there [03:36] I wonder [03:36] no clue... like our vocabulary makes sense... [03:36] flat vs apartment? [03:37] crisp vs potato chip? [03:37] yeah I was going to say...probably the same thing in order to maximize confusion [03:37] sweets vs candy? === ryanakca tries to think of some more [03:37] loo vs toilet? [03:37] yeah [03:37] well, I think it makes sense to say that a chemist does chemistry [03:37] so I'm a little unsure of what they call them [03:37] bmonty: they call pharmasists drugists and chemists... depends what part of britain your in [03:37] same here [03:38] where I grew up, you get your stuff from the store in a "bag" [03:38] here you get it in a "sack" [03:38] here = midwest [03:38] Us [03:38] heh, and lets not even get started on what Coca-Cola is ;-) [03:38] you get stuff from the store in a grocery bag.. [03:39] Coca-Cola = Coke... [03:39] I did a big double take the first time someone asked me "would you like a sack?" [03:39] noname coke imitations = cola [03:39] pepsi = pepsi... to me at least [03:39] heh...any carbonated beverage (with the exception of beer) is a coke in the south [03:39] pop vs. soda vs. cok [03:39] lol [03:40] actually, no. [03:40] for me it was always pop [03:40] crimsun: you are in Texas, right? [03:40] we're extremely specific when it comes to soda, i.e., people will kill you if they ask for a coke and you bring a pepsi [03:40] bmonty: N.C. === FliesLikeALap [n=Ryan@vpnwl-229-34.net.rpi.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] sure [03:41] crimsun: must be your part then....in Alabama they look at you weird if you ask for anything else [03:41] but some people coke=any soda [03:41] soda = soda water, ginger ale and stuff like that, pop = root beer, crush, club soda, etc. cola = coke, pepsi, noname imitations [03:41] of course that might be just because it is Alabama [03:41] bmonty: right, and it's even different in GA, SC, TN, FL, ... [03:42] coke is dark, and made by coca-cola. pepsi != coke. cola != coke === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] ryanakca: you guys drive on the wrong side of the road...I'd fix that before the vocabulary for drinks :) [03:43] bmonty: right side of the road = wrong side of the road? [03:43] heh, people in the UK drive on the wrong side of the road... === ryanakca likes being offtopic in an ontopic channel [03:46] crimsun: isnt it called pop? [03:46] hah [03:49] zul: of course === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lophyte [n=dsulliva@65.94.193.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-96-133.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:10] Toadstool: heh, never knew you spoke french... after 5 times of massive ping everybody in a chanelling pingdom, people tend to be in a bad mood [04:10] hehe [04:10] hence my 'I recommend 'rm -fr /' to trolls' comment :P [04:11] 'evening everybody === ryanakca stops procrastinating and goes to bed [04:11] g'night then [04:17] afternoon === ajmitch is finally back after fighting with broken network cabling [04:17] :) [04:18] bummer ajmitch === Toadstool still struggling with git, bcm43xx, dscape, etc. [04:25] moins all [04:26] hi imbrandon [04:27] heya LaserJock [04:28] hey imbrandon [04:28] ello Toadstool [04:28] hey imbrandon [04:28] hiya ajmitch [04:29] welp i guess we find out tomarrow whom is sponsored to the dev summit ;) === imbrandon is looking forward to it [04:29] man, maxima takes forever to compile, no wonder people don't want to work on it ;-) [04:29] heh [04:29] yay, getting a free DSL upgrade [04:29] ajmitch, nice [04:29] should be around about 6Mbps/1Mbps after this [04:29] depending on how close I am to exchange [04:30] very cool , thats about what i have [04:30] i love it [04:30] I currently have 3.5/512 [04:30] nice [04:30] with a 20GB cap [04:30] cap will be 30GB in the upgrade [04:30] still quite low [04:30] mine is advetised at 8/1 i actually get about 6/768 [04:31] with no cap though [04:31] yea the cap is what kills yall ( au / nz ) [04:31] imho [04:31] yeah [04:31] meils from anywhere === StevenK has a 16Gb limit and doesn't go anywhere near it. [04:32] sigh [04:32] s/meils/miles/ [04:32] StevenK, wow cool === ajmitch should not get distracted by trivial things like work [04:32] It helps that downloads from midnight to midday aren't counted. [04:32] StevenK: I share the connection with 4 others [04:32] and I don't have an off-peak download time [04:32] yay, xen 3.0.3~rc1 [04:32] StevenK, ahh thats nice ( m to m ) [04:32] ajmitch: which ISP? [04:32] makes it at leaste better [04:33] Plug: maxnet === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:33] I changed from them to qsi. Who are about 1/2 the speed :( [04:33] ahhh new xen ;( /me wants to play with it .... [04:33] Plug: ah, shame - apparantly telecon have finally opened things up a bit more [04:33] yeah [04:33] I can change again [04:33] I'd go to xnet myself [04:34] Plug: why'd you switch? [04:34] -> #ubuntu-nz [04:34] imbrandon, for the l18n of Upstream, is there a prefferred to Ubuntu py library? [04:35] lastnode, hum not sure, i'm sure there is but i dont know it, look at the ubiguity kde frontend [04:35] its in py and i18l stuff [04:35] cheers [04:35] err i18n [04:36] ;) [04:37] is there a local AU mirror you can use StevenK that dont count to your cap either ? [04:37] imbrandon: Nope, which is a pity. [04:37] i've seen that alot, that places that do have caps tend to mirror quite a bit of stuff uncapped [04:37] wow yea that sucks === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] heya Hobbsee [04:39] ah, Hobbsee... [04:39] what the?!?!?! === ajmitch gets pitchforks & torches ready [04:39] LaserJock, ?!? [04:39] LaserJock: what now? [04:40] I just rebuilt maxima in my edgy pbuilder and it works! [04:40] ;) [04:40] LaserJock: that's good, perhaps it was built against old libraries? [04:40] now now, be gentle, ajmitch [04:40] heya crimsun [04:40] perhaps, but I don't know what [04:40] 'lo imbrandon [04:41] Hobbsee: bug 63449 [04:41] Malone bug 63449 in dapper-backports "Gcompris is out of date on Ubuntu Dapper - please backport ver. 7.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63449 [04:41] sorry, not that one === ajmitch looks up the bug number.. [04:41] oh, that's a good one though [04:41] bug 63349 [04:41] Malone bug 63349 in Ubuntu "Request for inclusion of new package (murrine)" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63349 [04:41] hi imbrandon ajmitch [04:41] Hobbsee: I have a complaint.. [04:42] ajmitch: do you now? [04:42] Hobbsee: yes [04:42] you said that bug should be rejected [04:42] oops [04:42] naughty Hobbsee [04:42] i thought it was in the wrong place [04:43] you never read the bug [04:43] point [04:43] don't tell people to reject things when you don't even bother to read it :P [04:43] fine, you do it, i took a guess [04:44] I filed it [04:44] I'm hardly going to reject a bug I filed, am I? [04:44] https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bug/58544 [04:44] Malone bug 58544 in dapper-backports "clamav 0.88.4" [High,Fix released] [04:44] so - where was the fix released to? [04:44] Plug, probably dapper-backports from the looks of it [04:44] ajmitch: okay, point. [04:45] imbrandon: yeah, sure: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz doesnt mention it :) [04:45] Plug, ahh ok, i was just going off the title ;) [04:45] Plug, lemme poke arround , one sec [04:45] imbrandon: cheers [04:46] Plug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text= [04:46] 2nd page, actually [04:46] crimsun: that means it is still sitting in the queue to build? [04:47] no, binary NEW [04:47] they've already built [04:47] Plug, thats the NEW queue for binary [04:47] yea what crimsun said [04:47] How do things move from NEW to archive? [04:47] admin accepts [04:47] Plug, on tuesdays and fridays archive admins go through and approve them [04:47] right - makes sense. cheers to you both! [04:48] Tuesdays? I thought it was Thursday === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] accept all the crack at the end of the week ;-) [04:48] hum tue afaik, i might have to lookup the email [04:48] hehe [04:49] Can I DL from the build queue? [04:49] nope === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] hmm, Package cache file corrupted [04:51] what fixes that? === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] LaserJock, apt-get clean possibly ? [04:51] or s/clean/autoclean/ [04:51] Someone here told me something? [04:52] I got dc [04:52] disconnected I mean [04:52] hmm, I already did autoclean [04:52] tuxmaniac: you didnt miss anything [04:52] LaserJock, hum , its it where apt-get segfaults right away ? [04:52] Hobbsee> Any suggestions? [04:53] tuxmaniac: no, but i dont know what you're after [04:53] LaserJock, i had that a few days ago, dunno what causes it, the only way i could fix it was to download a apt-get deb and downgrade then reupgrade ( apt-get dist-upgrade ) [04:53] Hobbsee> I upgraded to edgy [04:53] LaserJock, i never did figure it out the cause [04:53] Hobbsee> but ubuntu-desktop [04:53] got removed and does not seem to have got installed [04:53] imbrandon: it's not a problem [04:53] it just gives me a warning [04:53] eveything works fine [04:54] LaserJock, ahh mine was segfaulting, might be a diffrent issue [04:54] tuxmaniac: ahh. with apt-get, or with the update manager? [04:54] I tried to manually install ubuntu-desktop but says it depends on xorg and xorg is not gonna be installed [04:54] apt-get [04:54] I've seen that apt bug [04:54] :| [04:54] Try to manually install xorg [04:54] something about your /var/cache/apt/*.bin cache files [04:54] sudo apt-get install xorg? [04:54] sudo apt-get install xorg [04:55] move them out of way and try apt-get again [04:56] looks like that.. it says now liggl1-mesa-dri needs to be installed but is not.. Broken packages [04:56] then keep going thru till you find what's broken [04:57] Can I do a apt-get -f install ? [04:57] ok, so do you think I could file a bug for a rebuild or do I need to upload a Xbuild1? [04:58] New version specified (0.88.4-1ubuntu1~dapper1) is less than the current version number (0.88.4-1ubuntu1) [04:58] I thought ~ was designed for fixing that? [04:58] Plug: I believe so [04:59] 0.88.4-1ubuntu1 doesn't exist in dapper [04:59] No, I'm backporting from edgy [04:59] right [04:59] so ~ works [05:00] Just not today [05:00] I'm sure this has worked before [05:00] 0.88.4-1ubuntu1 is in edgy. Are you trying to install the dapper backport in an edgy chroot or something? [05:00] I'm not sure what you're doing [05:00] Plug, that statement is correct, that way when you backoport something and then its uopgraded to the "real" version in edgy it will be replaced [05:01]