[12:20] <LaserJock> hi guys
[12:20] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[12:21] <LaserJock> what a weekend
[12:22] <LaserJock> FLOSS is sometimes a weird and frustrating place
[12:24] <BazziR> LaserJock: what happened?
[12:25] <LaserJock> some stuff
[12:25] <LaserJock> kinda hard to explain
[12:25] <LaserJock> but a fair amount of people got mad at me
[12:25] <BazziR> do it to get it off your mind, that surely helps
[12:26] <LaserJock> and I've closed my first attempt at FLOSS development
[12:26] <no0tic> on dapper I used ipkungfu, but here on edgy it doesn't work, when I try to start it, it exits with bash errors, probably the script is wrong?
[12:26] <LaserJock> didn't even make a first release
[12:26] <no0tic> sorry, probably this is a devel chan...
[12:27] <BazziR> I just started my first FLOSS attempt
[12:27] <BazziR> I hope it will work
[12:27] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's unfortunate
[12:27] <LaserJock> no0tic: you probably want to look for an already file bug and if you don't find one report it
[12:28] <no0tic> LaserJock, on launchpad.net is ok?
[12:29] <LaserJock> yep
[12:30] <LaserJock> ajmitch: it is, I sure didn't want it to turn out bad
[12:31] <no0tic> LaserJock, ok, filed
[12:32] <minghua> LaserJock: that's okay, the first attempt usually fails :-)
[12:32] <minghua> LaserJock: sorry to hear you having a frustrated weekend though
[12:33] <LaserJock> if it was just me it wouldn't be so bad
[12:33] <LaserJock> but Edubuntu has been attacked a lot as well
[12:35] <crimsun> LaserJock: RE: gallium?
[12:36] <crimsun> (oliver's forwarded e-mail to e-d)
[12:36] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:36] <LaserJock> I've been emailing and IRC'ing for 2 days now
[12:36] <crimsun> the 8th OSI layer, stubborn people.
[12:37] <BazziR> :o
[12:37] <LaserJock> the funny thing is, I've spent more time cleaning up this mess then on the actual project
[12:39] <ivoks> hm... why do you care at all? edubuntu choosed another program; some people aren't happy with that; so what? :)
[12:39] <LaserJock> because I respect their project and what they do for the Linux community
[12:39] <ajmitch> because 'some people' can be very vocal & disruptive
[12:40] <LaserJock> and they were spreading misinformation about Edubuntu
[12:40] <crimsun> imagine if upstream cups decided that everything ubuntu has done was worth nitpicking and maligning
[12:40] <ivoks> lol... well, that happend :)
[12:41] <crimsun> they seem to have calmed somewhat, though
[12:41] <ajmitch> replying to a bug I filed: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/63349
[12:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63349 in Ubuntu "Request for inclusion of new package (murrine)" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[12:42] <BazziR> oh thats you?
[12:42] <ajmitch> BazziR: I really didn't need to add a package I'd just made to that wiki page :)
[12:42] <BazziR> sorry.
[12:42] <BazziR> but I asked in advance if to reject and I got an ack :)
[12:42] <ajmitch> from who?
[12:42] <BazziR> uh
[12:42] <BazziR> slomo i think
[12:43] <ivoks> crimsun: if you ignore them, they give up
[12:43] <ajmitch> no, I see it - it was hobbsee
[12:43] <ajmitch> I'll talk to her later..
[12:43] <BazziR> oh, ok
[12:44] <BazziR> now that I know your real name it wont happen again :)
[12:44] <BazziR> yeah i guess she didnt or just read the title.
[12:45] <crimsun> woo, go ajmitch. I was just going to submit my own gtk2-engines-murrine (since Xubuntu is considering it)
[12:46] <crimsun> either Murrina-GT4 or Murrina-Gilouche is a candidate
[12:46] <ajmitch> crimsun: you can follow up on the bug then :)
[12:47] <crimsun> now subbed :)
[12:48] <ajmitch> looks like I have to follow up on the copyright issue, which is annoying
[01:23] <gnomefreak> whos is matthias klose?
[01:23] <tseng> gnomefreak: doko
[01:24] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:26] <minghua> ubotu needs a "who is who" feature
[01:27] <tseng> thats what /whois minghua is for
[01:27] <tseng> assuming you are nice enough to set a real name
[01:27] <tseng> which most all developers are
[01:28] <minghua> tseng: but the other way around doesn't work, like both gnomefreak and ajmitch just asked in this channel
[01:28] <minghua> tseng: From real name to IRC nick, that is
[01:28] <jldugger> just look it up in launchpad. launchpad is like facebook for geeks
[01:29] <tseng> i guess
[01:29] <tseng> I just know
[01:29] <tseng> there are only 30 some core-dev members
[01:31] <gnomefreak> that would be too big a data base for ubotu i think
[01:31] <tseng> what, known ubuntu memberS?
[01:31] <tseng> its under 200
[01:33] <minghua> ubotu can just check the launchpad, can't he?  just like what he does with bug numbers or package names
[01:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about can just check the launchpad, can't he?  just like what he does with bug numbers or package names - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:33] <tseng> he *could*
[01:33] <tseng> tell seveas if you think its that useful
[01:34] <tseng> i have all the maps in my head
[01:34] <tseng> you could, too
[01:34] <minghua> tseng: sure, I'll ask
[01:34] <minghua> I may look at the code myself, actually
[01:34] <gnomefreak> i would file a bug about it
[01:34] <minghua> because that would be handy for other channels I hang out, too
[01:34] <gnomefreak> since he tells us to do that
[01:46] <minghua> bug #63457, there you go
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63457 in ubuntu-bots "Please add feature to match real name to IRC nick (and vice versa)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63457
[02:03] <LaserJock> hi Fujitsu
[02:08] <Fujitsu> Hey LaserJock.
[02:12] <LaserJock> holy cow
[02:13] <LaserJock> I found yet another list I'm discussed on
[02:13] <minghua> lol
[02:14] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: link?
[02:14] <Fujitsu> Of course. What list could leave you out? You're too Ubuntuholic to be left out of any list.
[02:15] <LaserJock> I'm on edubuntu-devel, blue-obelisk and  kde-edu-devel
[02:15] <LaserJock> those are the ones I know of so far
[02:16] <LaserJock> plus the ~100 hate mails ogra got :/
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Gallium-related?
[02:16] <LaserJock> yep
[02:16] <LaserJock> ~50 blog comments
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Yeah, they really don't seem to like you guys for that.
[02:17] <LaserJock> The thing is, I hadn't even worked much on Gallium
[02:18] <LaserJock> nobody cares about edubuntu-menus
[02:18] <LaserJock> or MOTU Science stuff
[02:18] <LaserJock> I just dared to start working on a GTK periodic table and all hell breaks loose ;-)
[02:19] <minghua> what did ogra say to get 100 hate mails?
[02:19] <LaserJock> nothing
[02:19] <LaserJock> it was because of me
[02:19] <LaserJock> he had nothing to do with it
[02:20] <LaserJock> s/me/Gallium/
[02:20] <LaserJock> anyway, the storm will pass
[02:21] <LaserJock> I just feel ... like it's all my fault and I never want to work on FLOSS again
[02:22] <LaserJock> but that too will pass, I hope
[02:23] <LaserJock> anyway, enough about that
[02:24] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: how's MOTU Science looking? besides broken maxima stuff
[02:30] <LaserJock> boy did I kill the party in here or what
[02:32] <minghua> and saw poor ogra getting hammered
[02:37] <LaserJock> hmm, how do I search for channels again?
[02:38] <minghua> "/list #channel-name" is what I use
[02:47] <Hawkwind> LaserJock: /msg chanserv list *search-term*  Make sure you use the *'s
[02:47] <LaserJock> ah yeah
[02:54] <zul> LaserJock: ogra got some threats on his health ie we will find where you live blah blah blah
[02:55] <LaserJock> zul: really? over this?
[02:55] <zul> yeah he was saying that yesterday i think or today dont remember
[02:56] <LaserJock> oh man
[02:56] <LaserJock> I feel terrible
[02:56] <zul> i wouldnt worry about it, he is a big boy
[02:57] <LaserJock> yes, but he had nothing to do with it
[02:58] <LaserJock> my gosh, it's just software
[02:58] <zul> heh thats what i said
[03:01] <LaserJock> well, it looks like I'm going to try to learn some C++
[03:02] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: you are mad
[03:03] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I'm really mad, perhaps
[03:03] <LaserJock> I'm mad that they are attacking Edubuntu
[03:03] <LaserJock> but I'm mostly sad right now
[03:13] <LaserJock> hi bmonty!
[03:13] <ryanakca> LaserJock: hmm... looking to start C++? try that book in the topic of ##C++... it looks good from what Ive seen of it...
[03:14] <ryanakca> or go out and buy Acelerated C++ (I'm told it's THE best c++ book around)...
[03:14] <LaserJock> thanks for the tips
[03:14] <ryanakca> never seen it
[03:15] <LaserJock> I'm sort of not looking forward to learning it
[03:15] <LaserJock> I haven't even learned Python very well
[03:15] <ryanakca> I am...
[03:15] <ryanakca> lol, we're in the same boat
[03:15] <ryanakca> I can understand source code... but I can't write it...
[03:16] <bmonty> hi LaserJock
[03:16] <LaserJock> oh bugger
[03:16] <ryanakca> I've looked at C, Ruby, Python, PHP, C++... can't seem to stick with one for long though
[03:17] <LaserJock> I'm stuck with Fortran and Python so far
[03:18] <bmonty> ...two extremes in technology
[03:18] <LaserJock> mhm
[03:18] <ryanakca> Ruby is unbelievably simple from what I've seen
[03:18] <ryanakca> lol
[03:19] <ryanakca> http://poignantguide.net/ruby/
[03:19] <LaserJock> somehow I keep trying to convince myself I'm really a software developer and not a chemist ;-)
[03:21] <bmonty> LaserJock: is there much of a difference in the technical areas?
[03:21] <bmonty> I'm a EE and I spend a lot of time coding
[03:21] <bmonty> BTW, I noticed we have been working on similar things this weekend :)
[03:22] <crimsun> ruby is ridiculous. I keep wanting to teach stuff in Java (to abide by our curriculum standards), but I end up using Ruby and Python
[03:23] <LaserJock> bmonty: well, I'm an experimentalist
[03:23] <LaserJock> if I was a theoretical chemist I'd say yes
[03:23] <LaserJock> but I could do virtually all my work with very little computer interaction
[03:23] <bmonty> LaserJock: you don't write code to run your lab instruments?
[03:24] <LaserJock> bmonty: I do, but I'm the only one it the department that does
[03:24] <LaserJock> because i like to
[03:24] <LaserJock> I'm the only one that doesn't use LabView
[03:25] <LaserJock> wow, this maxima debdiff is really strange
[03:25] <LaserJock> what the heck did we do
[03:25] <bmonty> LaserJock: looks like we have both been playing with wordpress :)
[03:26] <LaserJock> where's your blog?
[03:26] <bmonty> LaserJock: www.montynet.org
[03:27] <LaserJock> haha
[03:28] <bmonty> :)
[03:32] <LaserJock> bmonty: I've even got drupal sorta started for my main site
[03:32] <bmonty> cool
[03:32] <LaserJock> and of course the domain
[03:32] <bmonty> I decided to make wordpress my main site since it looks like it can do pretty much everything I want
[03:33] <LaserJock> my first domain since I was like 14
[03:33] <LaserJock> yeah, I debated about it, but I really wanted to seperate blog from site
[03:33] <ryanakca> back... they had an interesting news clip playing on CBC :)
[03:34] <bmonty> LaserJock: once I figured out how to integrate gallery into wordpress I completely ditched my old site
[03:34] <ryanakca> LaserJock: chemist... chemist = pharmasist? or chemist = chemistry/science/research stuff?
[03:35] <LaserJock> ryanakca: yeah, chemist = chemistry research
[03:35] <ryanakca> ah, kk, so I take it your north american :)
[03:35] <LaserJock> yes
[03:36] <LaserJock> perhaps I should correct that for the "silly" people
[03:36] <LaserJock> what do they call chemists there
[03:36] <LaserJock> I wonder
[03:36] <ryanakca> no clue... like our vocabulary makes sense...
[03:36] <ryanakca> flat vs apartment?
[03:37] <ryanakca> crisp vs potato chip?
[03:37] <bmonty> yeah I was going to say...probably the same thing in order to maximize confusion
[03:37] <ryanakca> sweets vs candy?
[03:37] <bmonty> loo vs toilet?
[03:37] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:37] <LaserJock> well, I think it makes sense to say that a chemist does chemistry
[03:37] <LaserJock> so I'm a little unsure of what they call them
[03:37] <ryanakca> bmonty: they call pharmasists drugists and chemists... depends what part of britain your in
[03:37] <bmonty> same here
[03:38] <bmonty> where I grew up, you get your stuff from the store in a "bag"
[03:38] <bmonty> here you get it in a "sack"
[03:38] <bmonty> here = midwest
[03:38] <bmonty> Us
[03:38] <LaserJock> heh, and lets not even get started on what Coca-Cola is ;-)
[03:38] <ryanakca> you get stuff from the store in a grocery bag..
[03:39] <ryanakca> Coca-Cola = Coke...
[03:39] <bmonty> I did a big double take the first time someone asked me "would you like a sack?"
[03:39] <ryanakca> noname coke imitations = cola
[03:39] <ryanakca> pepsi = pepsi... to me at least
[03:39] <bmonty> heh...any carbonated beverage (with the exception of beer) is a coke in the south
[03:39] <LaserJock> pop vs. soda vs. cok
[03:39] <ryanakca> lol
[03:40] <crimsun> actually, no.
[03:40] <LaserJock> for me it was always pop
[03:40] <bmonty> crimsun: you are in Texas, right?
[03:40] <crimsun> we're extremely specific when it comes to soda, i.e., people will kill you if they ask for a coke and you bring a pepsi
[03:40] <crimsun> bmonty: N.C.
[03:41] <LaserJock> sure
[03:41] <bmonty> crimsun: must be your part then....in Alabama they look at you weird if you ask for anything else
[03:41] <LaserJock> but some people coke=any soda
[03:41] <ryanakca> soda = soda water, ginger ale and stuff like that, pop = root beer, crush, club soda, etc. cola = coke, pepsi, noname imitations
[03:41] <bmonty> of course that might be just because it is Alabama
[03:41] <crimsun> bmonty: right, and it's even different in GA, SC, TN, FL, ...
[03:42] <ryanakca> coke is dark, and made by coca-cola. pepsi != coke. cola != coke
[03:43] <bmonty> ryanakca: you guys drive on the wrong side of the road...I'd fix that before the vocabulary for drinks :)
[03:43] <ryanakca> bmonty: right side of the road = wrong side of the road?
[03:43] <ryanakca> heh, people in the UK drive on the wrong side of the road...
[03:46] <zul> crimsun: isnt it called pop?
[03:46] <crimsun> hah
[03:49] <LaserJock> zul: of course
[04:10] <ryanakca> Toadstool: heh, never knew you spoke french... after 5 times of massive ping everybody in a chanelling pingdom, people tend to be in a bad mood
[04:10] <Toadstool> hehe
[04:10] <ryanakca> hence my 'I recommend 'rm -fr /' to trolls' comment :P
[04:11] <Toadstool> 'evening everybody
[04:11] <Toadstool> g'night then
[04:17] <ajmitch> afternoon
[04:17] <Toadstool> :)
[04:18] <LaserJock> bummer ajmitch
[04:25] <imbrandon> moins all
[04:26] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon
[04:27] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[04:28] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon
[04:28] <imbrandon> ello Toadstool
[04:28] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon
[04:28] <imbrandon> hiya ajmitch
[04:29] <imbrandon> welp i guess we find out tomarrow whom is sponsored to the dev summit ;)
[04:29] <LaserJock> man, maxima takes forever to compile, no wonder people don't want to work on it ;-)
[04:29] <Toadstool> heh
[04:29] <ajmitch> yay, getting a free DSL upgrade
[04:29] <imbrandon> ajmitch, nice
[04:29] <ajmitch> should be around about 6Mbps/1Mbps after this
[04:29] <ajmitch> depending on how close I am to exchange
[04:30] <imbrandon> very cool , thats about what i have
[04:30] <imbrandon> i love it
[04:30] <ajmitch> I currently have 3.5/512
[04:30] <imbrandon> nice
[04:30] <ajmitch> with a 20GB cap
[04:30] <ajmitch> cap will be 30GB in the upgrade
[04:30] <ajmitch> still quite low
[04:30] <imbrandon> mine is advetised at 8/1 i actually get about 6/768
[04:31] <imbrandon> with no cap though
[04:31] <imbrandon> yea the cap is what kills yall ( au / nz )
[04:31] <imbrandon> imho
[04:31] <ajmitch> yeah
[04:31] <ajmitch> meils from anywhere
[04:32] <ajmitch> sigh
[04:32] <ajmitch> s/meils/miles/
[04:32] <imbrandon> StevenK, wow cool
[04:32] <StevenK> It helps that downloads from midnight to midday aren't counted.
[04:32] <ajmitch> StevenK: I share the connection with 4 others
[04:32] <ajmitch> and I don't have an off-peak download time
[04:32] <ajmitch> yay, xen 3.0.3~rc1
[04:32] <imbrandon> StevenK, ahh thats nice ( m to m )
[04:32] <Plug> ajmitch: which ISP?
[04:32] <imbrandon> makes it at leaste better
[04:33] <ajmitch> Plug: maxnet
[04:33] <Plug> I changed from them to qsi.  Who are about 1/2 the speed :(
[04:33] <imbrandon> ahhh new xen ;( /me wants to play with it ....
[04:33] <ajmitch> Plug: ah, shame - apparantly telecon have finally opened things up a bit more
[04:33] <Plug> yeah
[04:33] <Plug> I can change again
[04:33] <Plug> I'd go to xnet myself
[04:34] <ajmitch> Plug: why'd you switch?
[04:34] <Plug> -> #ubuntu-nz
[04:34] <lastnode> imbrandon, for the l18n of Upstream, is there a prefferred to Ubuntu py library?
[04:35] <imbrandon> lastnode, hum not sure, i'm sure there is but i dont know it, look at the ubiguity kde frontend
[04:35] <imbrandon> its in py and i18l stuff
[04:35] <lastnode> cheers
[04:35] <imbrandon> err i18n
[04:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:37] <imbrandon> is there a local AU mirror you can use StevenK  that dont count to your cap either ?
[04:37] <StevenK> imbrandon: Nope, which is a pity.
[04:37] <imbrandon> i've seen that alot, that places that do have caps tend to mirror quite a bit of stuff uncapped
[04:37] <imbrandon> wow yea that sucks
[04:38] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[04:39] <ajmitch> ah, Hobbsee...
[04:39] <LaserJock> what the?!?!?!
[04:39] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ?!?
[04:39] <ajmitch> LaserJock: what now?
[04:40] <LaserJock> I just rebuilt maxima in my edgy pbuilder and it works!
[04:40] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's good, perhaps it was built against old libraries?
[04:40] <crimsun> now now, be gentle, ajmitch
[04:40] <imbrandon> heya crimsun
[04:40] <LaserJock> perhaps, but I don't know what
[04:40] <crimsun> 'lo imbrandon
[04:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: bug 63449
[04:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63449 in dapper-backports "Gcompris is out of date on Ubuntu Dapper - please backport ver. 7.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63449
[04:41] <ajmitch> sorry, not that one
[04:41] <LaserJock> oh, that's a good one though
[04:41] <ajmitch> bug 63349
[04:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63349 in Ubuntu "Request for inclusion of new package (murrine)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63349
[04:41] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon ajmitch
[04:41] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I have a complaint..
[04:42] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: do you now?
[04:42] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: yes
[04:42] <ajmitch> you said that bug should be rejected
[04:42] <Hobbsee> oops
[04:42] <ajmitch> naughty Hobbsee
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i thought it was in the wrong place
[04:43] <ajmitch> you never read the bug
[04:43] <Hobbsee> point
[04:43] <ajmitch> don't tell people to reject things when you don't even bother to read it :P
[04:43] <Hobbsee> fine, you do it,  i took a guess
[04:44] <ajmitch> I filed it
[04:44] <ajmitch> I'm hardly going to reject a bug I filed, am I?
[04:44] <Plug> https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bug/58544
[04:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58544 in dapper-backports "clamav 0.88.4" [High,Fix released] 
[04:44] <Plug> so - where was the fix released to?
[04:44] <imbrandon> Plug, probably dapper-backports from the looks of it
[04:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: okay, point.
[04:45] <Plug> imbrandon: yeah, sure: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-backports/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz doesnt mention it :)
[04:45] <imbrandon> Plug, ahh ok, i was just going off the title ;)
[04:45] <imbrandon> Plug, lemme poke arround , one sec
[04:45] <Plug> imbrandon: cheers
[04:46] <crimsun> Plug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[04:46] <crimsun> 2nd page, actually
[04:46] <Plug> crimsun: that means it is still sitting in the queue to build?
[04:47] <crimsun> no, binary NEW
[04:47] <crimsun> they've already built
[04:47] <imbrandon> Plug, thats the NEW queue for binary
[04:47] <imbrandon> yea what crimsun said
[04:47] <Plug> How do things move from NEW to archive?
[04:47] <crimsun> admin accepts
[04:47] <imbrandon> Plug, on tuesdays and fridays archive admins go through and approve them
[04:47] <Plug> right - makes sense. cheers to you both!
[04:48] <LaserJock> Tuesdays? I thought it was Thursday
[04:48] <LaserJock> accept all the crack at the end of the week ;-)
[04:48] <imbrandon> hum tue afaik, i might have to lookup the email
[04:48] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:49] <Plug> Can I DL from the build queue?
[04:49] <ajmitch> nope
[04:50] <LaserJock> hmm, Package cache file corrupted
[04:51] <LaserJock> what fixes that?
[04:51] <imbrandon> LaserJock, apt-get clean possibly ?
[04:51] <imbrandon> or s/clean/autoclean/
[04:51] <tuxmaniac> Someone here told me something?
[04:52] <tuxmaniac> I got dc
[04:52] <tuxmaniac> disconnected I mean
[04:52] <LaserJock> hmm, I already did autoclean
[04:52] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: you didnt miss anything
[04:52] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hum , its it where apt-get segfaults right away ?
[04:52] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee> Any suggestions?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: no, but i dont know what you're after
[04:53] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i had that a few days ago, dunno what causes it, the only way i could fix it was to download a apt-get deb and downgrade then reupgrade ( apt-get dist-upgrade )
[04:53] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee> I upgraded to edgy
[04:53] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i never did figure it out the cause
[04:53] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee> but ubuntu-desktop
[04:53] <tuxmaniac> got removed and does not seem to have got installed
[04:53] <LaserJock> imbrandon: it's not a problem
[04:53] <LaserJock> it just gives me a warning
[04:53] <LaserJock> eveything works fine
[04:54] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ahh mine was segfaulting, might be a diffrent issue
[04:54] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: ahh.  with apt-get, or with the update manager?
[04:54] <tuxmaniac> I tried to manually install ubuntu-desktop but says it depends on xorg and xorg is not gonna be installed
[04:54] <tuxmaniac> apt-get
[04:54] <minghua> I've seen that apt bug
[04:54] <tuxmaniac> :|
[04:54] <StevenK> Try to manually install xorg
[04:54] <minghua> something about your /var/cache/apt/*.bin cache files
[04:54] <tuxmaniac> sudo apt-get install xorg?
[04:54] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install xorg
[04:55] <minghua> move them out of way and try apt-get again
[04:56] <tuxmaniac> looks like that.. it says now liggl1-mesa-dri needs to be installed but is not.. Broken packages
[04:56] <Hobbsee> then keep going thru till you find what's broken
[04:57] <tuxmaniac> Can I do a apt-get -f install ?
[04:57] <LaserJock> ok, so do you think I could file a bug for a rebuild or do I need to upload a Xbuild1?
[04:58] <Plug> New version specified (0.88.4-1ubuntu1~dapper1) is less than the current version number (0.88.4-1ubuntu1)
[04:58] <Plug> I thought ~ was designed for fixing that?
[04:58] <LaserJock> Plug: I believe so
[04:59] <crimsun> 0.88.4-1ubuntu1 doesn't exist in dapper
[04:59] <Plug> No, I'm backporting from edgy
[04:59] <LaserJock> right
[04:59] <LaserJock> so ~ works
[05:00] <Plug> Just not today
[05:00] <Plug> I'm sure this has worked before
[05:00] <crimsun> 0.88.4-1ubuntu1 is in edgy. Are you trying to install the dapper backport in an edgy chroot or something?
[05:00] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what you're doing
[05:00] <imbrandon> Plug, that statement is correct, that way when you backoport something and then its uopgraded to the "real" version in edgy it will be replaced
[05:01] <Plug> I've got the source and I'm backporting it myself.  dpkg -x *.dsc; dch -v version~dapper1; dpkg-buildpackage.
[05:01] <LaserJock> k
[05:02] <imbrandon> and dch -v is giving you problems ?> manualy edit it , dch might not be smart yet
[05:02] <crimsun> well, right, so you'd have to adjust the previous changelog entr{ies,y}
[05:02] <imbrandon> but apt knows
[05:02] <Plug> Thats a plausible answer :)
[05:12] <LaserJock> hmmm
[05:13] <LaserJock> so now I need to figure out how to fix maxima in dapper
[05:13] <lastnode> imbrandon, we're having a meeting tomorrow (Monday 2330UTC), and you're invited. im sure you're busy, just wanted to let you know. agenda is here - http://upstreamdev.org/wiki/Meetings/Developer/20061002
[05:14] <imbrandon> lastnode, sure, i'll try to make it , cant promis but i'll do my best
[05:14] <lastnode> sure, just a heads up, mate.
[05:18] <bddebian> LaserJock: Did it get fixed in Edgy?
[05:19] <LaserJock> bddebian: yes
[05:19] <bddebian> LaserJock: From a newer version or did someone figure it out?
[05:19] <LaserJock> I just rebuild from source
[05:19] <LaserJock> I have no idea what happened
[05:20] <minghua> bascially Works for LaserJock(TM) :-)
[05:20] <LaserJock> .deb from repos doesn't work, .deb I rebuild from source works
[05:20] <bddebian> Hmm
[05:21] <LaserJock> actually
[05:22] <LaserJock> we did get a new maxima and gcl
[05:22] <LaserJock> since last I tried
[05:22] <crimsun> a new gcl version was just released, too
[05:22] <LaserJock> I don't think i'ts maxima
[05:22] <LaserJock> *it's
[05:23] <LaserJock> the new maxima version was a NMU for an automake thing
[05:30] <imbrandon> sudo dpkg -i ibm-j2re1.5_1.5.0_powerpc.deb
[05:30] <imbrandon> gah
[05:31] <LaserJock> hmmm
[05:31] <LaserJock> crimsun: I found this, "Fix socket write error" in gcl 2.6.7-21
[05:32] <bddebian> Oohh, that could do it
[05:33] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I'm thinking
[05:33] <LaserJock> I think i'll try backporting gcl to dapper and rebuild maxima
[05:34] <Fujitsu> Aha, that does look very suspicious.
[05:34] <LaserJock> what I don't get is why it worked in Debian
[05:35] <crimsun> did all previous pbuilt (dapper) versions work?
[05:35] <LaserJock> previous to what?
[05:35] <Fujitsu> 'cause Debian's crazy and has this great aura which ensures that everything works.
[05:36] <crimsun> LaserJock: meaning all versions you've pbuilt
[05:36] <LaserJock> crimsun: this is the first one I've tried that worked
[05:36] <minghua> hmm, pbuild is a verb now...?
[05:36] <zakame> hmm the FOSS is working :P
[05:36] <zakame> hi all anyway :)
[05:36] <Fujitsu> minghua, has been for years.
[05:36] <crimsun> minghua: for space-saving reasons ;)
[05:36] <crimsun> LaserJock: ah.
[05:37] <LaserJock> dapper is still broken, afaik
[05:37] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:37] <minghua> Fujitsu, crimsun: :-)
[05:38] <zakame> yo bddebian
[05:39] <LaserJock> ok
[05:39] <LaserJock> so I'm just rebuilding dapper's version with what's in the repos
[05:39] <LaserJock> that should not work
[05:39] <LaserJock> then I'll backport gcl and try again
[05:39] <LaserJock> sound reasonable?
[05:40] <bddebian> yep
[05:40] <minghua> sounds good (especially when you are looking for is "should not work" :-)
[05:41] <LaserJock> good thing I didn't dist upgrade my last dapper machine ;-)
[05:51] <LaserJock> ok, not working upon rebuild
[05:52] <imbrandon> thats a good thing(tm) right ?
[05:52] <LaserJock> yep
[05:52] <imbrandon> crimsun, have you ever used java-package ?
[05:52] <LaserJock> at least it's still broken like I thought ;-)
[05:52] <crimsun> yes
[05:53] <imbrandon> ahh the ibm java packages in plf dont have a source package but they say they are buildt with java-package
[05:53] <imbrandon> is that some autocrack like checkinstall ?
[05:53] <minghua> java-package doesn't require source
[05:54] <minghua> it's better than checkinstall, more like equivs
[05:54] <crimsun> java-package is far more sane
[05:54] <imbrandon> e.g. This package has been automatically created with java-package (0.27).
[05:54] <imbrandon> for the ibm-java jre
[05:55] <imbrandon> hum , i wonder if the ibm license will allow it to be in multiverse
[05:55] <minghua> java-package has sane control file and {pre,post}{inst,rm} scripts
[05:55] <crimsun> we need 0.28.
[05:55] <crimsun> [http://packages.qa.debian.org/j/java-package/news/20060816T001750Z.html] 
[05:55] <bddebian> Or we could just purge *java* from the archives :)
[05:56] <imbrandon> bddebian, heh
[05:57] <imbrandon> crimsun, looks syncable
[05:58] <crimsun> being native, yeah.
[06:00] <imbrandon> i guess i'm still kinda wondering why its needed/used to make the ibm packages
[06:02] <imbrandon> and do we have a list like debian-legale to ask about putting ibm java in multiverse ( or maybe -commercial )
[06:02] <Fujitsu> Or can we put Java in /dev/null?
[06:02] <Fujitsu> That's a more appropriate place.
[06:02] <bddebian> heh
[06:03] <zakame> most appropriate?
[06:03] <crimsun> honestly it would be lovely if ibm's jdk1.5 were in dapper-commercial
[06:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:12] <ThiefOfBaghdad> Ok. My X is screwed :D
[06:12] <ThiefOfBaghdad> I am on irssi
[06:12] <ThiefOfBaghdad> Can someone say how to recitfy this problem
[06:12] <ThiefOfBaghdad> The error is it says X has been build for 2.6.15
[06:13] <ThiefOfBaghdad> but the running version is 2.6.17
[06:13] <ThiefOfBaghdad> and X window is unable to boot up
[06:14] <Toadstool> yeeha! bcm43xx 0 - Toadstool 1
[06:14] <bddebian> heh
[06:14] <Toadstool> hey bddebian
[06:14] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[06:15] <ThiefOfBaghdad> bddebian: grrr.. Laughing at me?? :|
[06:15] <bddebian> ThiefOfBaghdad: No, Toadstool :)
[06:15] <ThiefOfBaghdad> bddebian: Any solution for me ??? :D
[06:16] <ThiefOfBaghdad> No X and the error is up
[06:16] <bddebian> ThiefOfBaghdad: No, I'm outta of the loop lately, sorry :-(
[06:16] <Toadstool> ThiefOfBaghdad: have you asked on #ubuntu?
[06:16] <ThiefOfBaghdad> Toadstool: its for Dapper right?
[06:16] <ThiefOfBaghdad> Whats for ubuntu+1 ?
[06:17] <Toadstool> #ubuntu-testing no?
[06:17] <Toadstool> at least there is a #ubuntu-fr-testing chan :p
[06:18] <ThiefOfBaghdad> Toadstool: bah
[06:40] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:41] <imbrandon> gnight bddebian
[06:58] <LaserJock> hmm, gcl takes forever to build
[06:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:58] <LaserJock> I just *had* to pick gcl and maxima to build
[06:58] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, that's fortunate.
[06:59] <Fujitsu> People should be dissuaded from using LISP as much as possible.
[06:59] <LaserJock> you know, one of the first merges I ever did was wxwidgets2.6
[06:59] <Fujitsu> And making the compiler take forever to compile is helping that cause.
[06:59] <LaserJock> I should have known then
[07:01] <LaserJock> hmm, I guess it's probably been a little less then 20 min.
[07:01] <LaserJock> oh wait
[07:01] <ajmitch> oh good, the debian dinstall run happened today
[07:02] <LaserJock> haha
[07:02] <LaserJock> 1 hr and 20 mins ;-)
[07:02] <minghua> 20 min is a long build?
[07:03] <LaserJock> I miss read the clock
[07:03] <minghua> that's better
[07:03] <minghua> my package takes 20 mins to build on my machine
[07:03] <minghua> (although it's usually 3-5 mins on fast buildds)
[07:03] <zakame> which pkg?
[07:04] <minghua> zakame: scim
[07:04] <zakame> ah
[07:05] <minghua> I have a 1GHz AMD Athlon by the way
[07:05] <LaserJock> heh
[07:06] <LaserJock> if I was doing it on my 1.3GHz P4 it'd take much longer
[07:06] <LaserJock> thank goodness it's the weekend and I can use my laptop
[07:07] <LaserJock> but then I need to rebuild maxima with this gcl
[07:12] <minghua> hmm, time to put my packaging envrionments to a faster machine, it seems
[07:13] <minghua> but then again, m68k builld spends 9 hours to build scim, so I'm not complaining for what I have now :-P
[07:13] <LaserJock> ouch
[07:15] <minghua> LaserJock: It may happen to be a slow buildd, I don't check buildd log frequently
[07:45] <LaserJock> hmm, what is a good way to build .debs withing a pbuilder login?
[07:45] <LaserJock> dpkg-buildpackage in unpacked source?
[07:46] <LaserJock> do I need fakeroot for that as I'm logged into the chroot as root
[07:49] <Lathiat> dpkg-buildpackage yeh
[07:49] <Lathiat> fakeroot only needed if your not otherwise root
[07:51] <LaserJock> hmm, I found a script the other day to get build deps when logged in too but now I can't find it
[07:51] <Lathiat> /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends :)
[07:52] <LaserJock> ah thanks
[07:55] <LaserJock> hmm, now this isn't making sense
[07:59] <LaserJock> do I run pbuilder-satisfydepends from within the chroot?
[08:02] <imbrandon> LaserJock, why cant you just run "apt-get build-dep package" in the pbuilder login / chroot ?
[08:03] <LaserJock> well, it isn't necessarily in the apt cache
[08:03] <imbrandon> pbuilder login has network access afaik
[08:03] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, yes, it does.
[08:03] <LaserJock> no
[08:03] <imbrandon> LaserJock, umm why not ?
[08:04] <LaserJock> my point is, the package I"m trying to build might not be in the apt-repo
[08:04] <imbrandon> LaserJock, ahh then in that case i just install them by hand in the chroot
[08:04] <imbrandon> never seen an automatic way, myself
[08:04] <LaserJock> this command is supposed to do it for me
[08:04] <LaserJock> I used it the other day
[08:04] <LaserJock> but now I'm confused
[08:04] <LaserJock> must be late
[08:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:05] <imbrandon> 1am
[08:05] <imbrandon> well 11pm for you
[08:05] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:05] <imbrandon> hrm its what 6am utc ?
[08:06] <Fujitsu> Yeh.
[08:06] <imbrandon> heh i'm getting used to useing this laptop
[08:06] <LaserJock> ok, of it goes
[08:06] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, did you get maxima sorted out?
[08:07] <imbrandon> got some external speakers and a mouse hooked to it and i'm good ;)
[08:07] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, i think thats what hs is working on
[08:07] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: working on it
[08:07] <nixternal> imbrandon: are you using osx?
[08:07] <Lathiat> ah ydh need to install gcl to compile maxima?
[08:07] <Fujitsu> Ah, goodo.
[08:07] <LaserJock> gcl too like almost 2 hrs to build
[08:07] <imbrandon> nixternal, no ubuntu
[08:07] <Lathiat> i've done that manually perviously
[08:07] <nixternal> ahh
[08:07] <nixternal> k
[08:07] <imbrandon> nixternal, ubnutu on the ibook
[08:07] <nixternal> need someone with that stoopid osx browser to look at my blog layout
[08:08] <imbrandon> i cant use osx to do real work hehe i just like it for medioa
[08:08] <nixternal> rastafari or whatever it is called ;)
[08:08] <imbrandon> safari , and i use firefox on osx anyhow
[08:08] <imbrandon> when i do login to osx
[08:08] <nixternal> people with IE get kicked when they try to look at my blog now ;)
[08:08] <Fujitsu> nixternal, hahah, good idea.
[08:09] <nixternal> my layout is like OK, but it doesn't do it for me just yet
[08:09] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org
[08:09] <imbrandon> i dont want to kick them from mine but a big firefox download page redirect would be nice
[08:09] <nixternal> well, they don't get kicked, but they get a page where they can download Firefox, look at Konqi, Epiphany, Ubuntu *all of um...Open Source and FSF info
[08:10] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:10] <nixternal> i should embed a trojan in the antiie.html page ;)
[08:10] <nixternal> i must get my own domain at some point ;)
[08:10] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, if / when you do i can do the hosting for you
[08:11] <imbrandon> if you wish
[08:11] <imbrandon> i have quite a lot of extra bandwidth
[08:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:11] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, I might take you up on that, but I've got the ubuntu.com.au server at my disposal, and it already hosts blogs for a few members of other LoCo teams...
[08:12] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:12] <Fujitsu> And I've been looking for a good domain, but fujitsu.* and williamgrant.* are pretty much all taken, unfortunately :(
[08:12] <imbrandon> imfujitsu.com ;) lol just teasin
[08:13] <Fujitsu> imwilliam!
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Yay.
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Or not.
[08:13] <imbrandon> lol
[08:13] <nixternal> haha
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Hm, williamgrant.ca is available... Although they have restrictions on them (ie. you have to be a citizen or registered business), but I am a citizen anyway... Or fujitsu.id.au, or williamgrant.id.au...
[08:14] <Fujitsu> But none of them are particularly great domains :(
[08:15] <imbrandon> yea
[08:16] <imbrandon> StevenK, whats yours ? i dident know you ran a site
[08:17] <StevenK> wedontsleep.org
[08:17] <Lathiat> heh
[08:17] <imbrandon> ahh cool
[08:19] <minghua> nice name
[08:26] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee:
[08:27] <tuxmaniac> Some one willing to share their gdm.conf file? I mean after an edgy upgrade? Looks like gdm is fscked up actually
[08:42] <tuxmaniac> Booo hooooo.. On edgy
[08:42] <tuxmaniac> X running
[08:52] <LaserJock> \o/
[08:52] <LaserJock> it works!!!
[08:54] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: ^^
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[08:54] <Fujitsu> So the new gcl fixed it?
[08:54] <LaserJock> yep
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Hahah :)
[08:54] <LaserJock> xmaxima and wxmaxima work fine
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Woohoo.
[08:54] <LaserJock> sooo
[08:55] <Fujitsu> Now to convince people that that wants to be in -updates.
[08:55] <LaserJock> we need to get maxima rebuilt in edgy
[08:55] <Fujitsu> Do you want to do that, or shall I?
[08:55] <LaserJock> I think we should be able to find the patch in gcl and apply it to dapper's gcl I think
[08:56] <LaserJock> go for it
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Hopefully...
[08:56] <LaserJock> I need to go to bed
[08:56] <Fujitsu> We're presuming it was the socket writing fix?
[08:56] <Fujitsu> OK, so just maxima wants rebuilding?
[08:56] <LaserJock> well, it's not a new upstream version
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Not {w,}xmaxima?
[08:56] <LaserJock> so maybe we can just grab the edgy version
[08:56] <LaserJock> no
[08:56] <LaserJock> maxima was having the problem
[08:57] <Fujitsu> Thought so.
[08:57] <Fujitsu> The proper gcl is in Edgy, I presume...
[08:58] <Fujitsu> Ah, there.
[09:03] <Fujitsu> The symptom of the maxima fault is a connection error, no?
[10:03] <imbrandon> ahhhh food , bbiab
[10:04] <imbrandon> whoop it got quiet in here
[10:04] <zakame> wb dholbach
[10:04] <imbrandon> moins dholbach
[10:04] <zakame> yo imbrandon
[10:05] <imbrandon> sup zakame
[10:05] <dholbach> good morning
[10:05] <dholbach> hey zakame, imbrandon!
[10:05] <zakame> imbrandon: here pretty much learning C++
[10:05] <zakame> picking it up again after 5 years
[10:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:06] <imbrandon> ok dinners cooked, brb
[10:11] <LaserJock> oh man, dholbach is up? I need to go to bed
[10:11] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: indeed
[10:12] <imbrandon> heh
[10:12] <dholbach> LaserJock:  and I was running already !!  :-)
[10:59] <Fujitsu> What are my chances of getting numpy 1.0 in (it'll be released on the 17th of October >_<)? Almost 0, I'd presume, although the current version is 1.0rc1.
[11:00] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: depends on how many bugs were fixed
[11:00] <Fujitsu> You're still up!?
[11:00] <LaserJock> if the new upstream is mostly bug fixes and not a bunch of new features it stands a good chance
[11:00] <LaserJock> going to be now
[11:00] <LaserJock> 2:00am here
[11:01] <Fujitsu> I believe it'll be all bug fixes.
[11:01] <Fujitsu> Goodnight, although you said you were going to bed about 2 hours ago.
[11:01] <LaserJock> did I?
[11:01] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:01] <LaserJock> I should have for sure
[11:01] <Fujitsu> Well, you said you needed to go to bed 2:05 ago:
 I need to go to bed
[11:02] <LaserJock> ugg
[11:02] <LaserJock> that's bad
[11:02] <Fujitsu> It does, but it doesn't copy them.
[11:07] <minghua> I think it's just LaserJock keep saying he needs to go to bed
[11:07] <minghua> and Fujitsu didn't pick up the most recent one :-)
[11:08] <Fujitsu> minghua, at 08:11:23?
[11:08] <Fujitsu> Be back in a bit, dinner.
[11:09] <minghua> Fujitsu: (my 3:07, UTC-0500) <LaserJock> oh man, dholbach is up? I need to go to bed
[11:09] <minghua> hmm, dholbach, sorry for the highlight
[11:10] <dholbach> minghua: that's part of LasterJock's and crimsun's race who can stay up longer :-/
[11:13] <minghua> Hmm, numpy is already 1.0rc1 in debian/ubuntu, very nice
[11:32] <xerxas> Hi
[11:38] <crimsun> dholbach: bah.
[11:39] <minghua> so crimsun won, I see
[11:40] <Fujitsu> minghua, that's the one I mentioned.
[11:41] <Fujitsu> minghua, of course it's in Ubuntu, I made sure of that (it was a few days before Debian).
[11:41] <Fujitsu> It was really bad timing, Debian released rc1 like a day after UniverseFreeze.
[11:41] <minghua> Fujitsu: I don't know if it's really worth it
[11:42] <Fujitsu> What's not worth it?
[11:42] <minghua> Fujitsu: of course if you really want to spend time on that, nobody can say no
[11:42] <minghua> Fujitsu: getting 1.0 release in edgy
[11:42] <minghua> the time is too tight
[11:42] <Fujitsu> It didn't take more than half an hour to do, and a number of people had requested it.
[11:43] <minghua> Fujitsu: yeah, getting 1.0rc1 in is worth it
[11:44] <minghua> Fujitsu: I am talking about 1.0 (scheduled to be released on 17th)
[11:44] <Fujitsu> Ah, OK.
[01:03] <tuxmaniac> heya gang
[01:14] <zakame> yo tortoise_
[01:48] <fatal__> please import the latest bandwidthd from debian unstable, the -6 version you currently have is broken.
[01:57] <minghua> fatal__: is there a bug open?  if no, please file one
[02:00] <minghua> fatal__: and thanks for reporting it to us
[02:01] <minghua> (now that I see you are the Debian maintainer)
[02:06] <minghua> Hmm, I am going to bed
[02:06] <tortoise_> yo zakame
[02:07] <minghua> if fatal__ responds, someone please help him filing a UVF exception request for bandwidthd
[02:07] <minghua> I'll check tomorrow if I remember, and do it myself if no one else did
[02:08] <minghua> good night everyone
[02:08] <fatal__> I've written up a bug... submitting it now. Whats a UVF?
[02:09] <azeem> fatal__: upstream version freeze
[02:09] <fatal__> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bandwidthd/+bug/63548
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63548 in bandwidthd "Please update to the latest version from Debian Unstable - Edgys -6 version is miserably broken." [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:11] <azeem> that should be fine, it's not an upstream version change
[02:34] <StevenK> Hum.
[02:34] <StevenK>  /usr/sbin/airmon-ng from aircrack-ng is a #!/bin/sh, but it is full of bashisms.
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:36] <tuxmaniac> ok. Looks like I have figured out the problem
[04:36] <tuxmaniac> Anybody around got this gnome-setings-daemon unable to load error when you enter the Edgy Desktop?
[04:53] <phanatic> good afternoon
[05:32] <jdong> what's the MOTU policy on deviating from upstream?
[05:32] <jdong> for our acidrip packages, I'd like to change the default xvid options to more match the lavc ones
[05:33] <jdong> (namely, take mplayer.hu's high-quality xvid recommendations)
[05:35] <Riddell> jdong: if it's the best thing to do then deviation from upstream is fine
[05:36] <jdong> Riddell: thanks for the advice. I'm still doing abit more testing on exactly how much encoding time this adds on, but so far it looks like it's well worth the gains
[06:13] <xopher> How do I apply .diff.gz file to original tar.gz?
[06:15] <Riddell> xopher: dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[06:15] <Riddell> which is in devscripts
[06:15] <xopher> thanks
[06:15] <xopher> uhm, dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file type - `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17_2.6.17.5-6.1.diff.gz'
[06:16] <jdong> ok, I've got the patch made for acidrip.... would a kind motu soul like to upload it for me?
[06:16] <jdong> xopher: umm, *.dsc?
[06:16] <xopher> jdong, I did it on the .dsc, but this is what I get
[06:16] <jdong> xopher: that usually means your diff.gz file is corrupted
[06:16] <xopher> ok, well Ill double check it
[06:20] <bipolar> do motu handle backports in universe too or is that another group?
[06:24] <jdong> bipolar: that's the backporters
[06:24] <jdong> bipolar: (and you're looking at one :D )
[06:24] <bipolar> woot!
[06:24] <bipolar> need the new version of gnucash in there :)
[06:24] <bipolar> I have a working version myself, created by a 3rd party
[06:24] <jdong> got a few requests for it already...
[06:24] <jdong> do you know if the edgy one builds in dapper?
[06:24] <bipolar> but it took *forever* to find it
[06:24] <bipolar> heh
[06:25] <bipolar> jdong: I gave it a shot just with buildpackage, but the deps didn't match
[06:25] <jdong> bipolar: can you give it a shot with prevu?
[06:25] <bipolar> jdong: libgoffice is missing
[06:25] <bipolar> prevu?
[06:26] <jdong> bipolar: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=268687&highlight=prevu
[06:26] <jdong> it's an automated backports compiler
[06:27] <bipolar> ahh... cool
[06:27] <bipolar> yeah. I'll give it a shot
[06:27] <bipolar> jdong: btw, the person that created the debs I'm using now is kleeman on the forums.
[06:28] <jdong> I'm not sure how he created the packages
[06:28] <jdong> but only packages that build cleanly from edgy can be put in dapper-backports
[06:36] <jdong> motu poke?
[06:42] <LaserJock> is it possible to remove a version of a package from the repos?
[06:54] <jdong> LaserJock: I've poked the archive admins about that before for backports... so I guess the answer is yes
[06:54] <LaserJock> well, this would be in edgy Universe
[06:55] <LaserJock> maybe I'll give it a shot
[06:57] <jdong> well, I don't see why it would be any different for ubuntu-archive to flex their muscles in a different pocket :)
[07:04] <Hawkwind> jdong: Why isn't prevu in Dapper ?
[08:01] <jdong> Hawkwind: because I just wrote prevu over the weekend? :)
[08:02] <Hawkwind> jdong: Oh!
[08:02] <jdong> :)
[08:02] <Hawkwind> jdong: So it'll eventually get into Ubuntu then I assume ?
[08:02] <jdong> Hawkwind: if you want to fix my debianizing to be MOTU-compilant, I'd love to see it in universe
[08:03] <jdong> I just dh_maked it enough that it works and doesn't look too broken
[08:03] <Hawkwind> Me neither.  I just tried it on a package real quick that I knew would build and it worked really great
[08:04] <Hawkwind> Only thing I don't like about it is the package name tag is a bit long and actually puts 'prevu' into it.  Should somehow make that customizable for people who like to backport stuff for 3rd party repos maybe
[08:04] <jdong> yeah, it's a wonderfully convenient tool :)
[08:04] <jdong> well, it takes whatever deb-src repos you have listed in sources.list
[08:04] <jdong> or, it can be used like pdebuild (run prevu with no arguments in dpkg-source -x'ed directory)
[08:05] <jdong> it will also use its output debs directory as an APT repo, so you can build against previously prevu'ed packages
[08:05] <jdong> that seems to me like 3rd parties should be able to effectively use it
[08:06] <jdong> brb, time to look at what's cooking in kde :)
[08:09] <Hawkwind> I happen to run the largest 3rd party repo for Mandriva and I do most of my stuff by backporting stuff from their Cooker(beta/unstable) branch to the latest stable.  I would love to use prevu for adding more Ubuntu stuff to my rpeo
[08:09] <Hawkwind> My repo/site currently gets about 2 million hits per month :)
[08:10] <jdong> that's cool
[08:10] <jdong> and I don't doubt your figures at all
[08:10] <jdong> when backports used to be on a private server, it got 25GB/min of downloads
[08:11] <jdong> I couldn't keep up
[08:11] <Hawkwind> Heh yeah.  Seems to be a big market for sure
[08:11] <jdong> I'm personally very happy with prevu... it was time well spent for me
[08:11] <jdong> now, people have an easy way of rolling their own backports
[08:11] <Hawkwind> jdong: If I wanted to backport package 'foo' and it had a dep of 'bar' does prevu just build foo and then you have to build bar as well, or will it build everything at once ?
[08:12] <jdong> you have to build bar first, run sudo prevu-update, then build foo
[08:12] <Hawkwind> Ah ok.  Figured as much as it's probably best to do it that way
[08:12] <jdong> bddebian: did you try another azureus or something?
[08:13] <jdong> bddebian: since you decided to reveal that you're on, would you like to be my MOTU slave of the moment?
[08:13] <Hawkwind> jdong: I assume if I tried to build foo which requires bar, the script would error and tell me ?
[08:13] <jdong> :D
[08:13] <jdong> Hawkwind: right. during dependency resolution, it will fail and notify you
[08:14] <bddebian> jdong: I'm not sure I can, I am supposed to be "working".  What do you need?
[08:14] <jdong> bddebian: a patch added to acidrip
[08:14] <bddebian> jdong: You have the patch?
[08:14] <Hawkwind> jdong: Awesome!  I built a package I new had no deps(that I didn't already have atleast) that I package all the time, xchat
[08:14] <jdong> bddebian: bug 63595
[08:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63595 in acidrip "acidrip should provide xvid defaults" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63595
[08:15] <jdong> Hawkwind: glad to hear you like it. prevu uses pbuilder internally, which is build tool of choice for Ubuntu/Debian developers
[08:15] <jdong> prevu builds packages in exactly the same way that the dapper-backports repository would
[08:23] <bddebian> jdong: Test building now
[08:23] <jdong> bddebian: thank you :)
[08:23] <bddebian> No, THANK YOU :-)
[08:24] <bddebian> Oh, I didn't dpatch it, it's right in the source :-)
[08:24] <jdong> hehe :)
[08:24] <jdong> that works too
[08:24] <jdong> figured that I might make acidrip usable while I'm at it
[08:25] <jdong> xvid from my experience is better than lavc's codec...
[08:26] <bddebian> jdong: Now, wanna help me debug my Hurd problems? :)
[08:26] <jdong> bddebian: I wish I knew anything about hurd :)
[08:26] <bddebian> Me too :)
[08:27] <jdong> now, to investigate/fix bug 63582....
[08:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63582 in acidrip "Crop detection fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63582
[08:34] <bddebian> jdong: Uploaded
[08:34] <jdong> bddebian: thank you very much
[08:36] <bddebian> jdong: I live to serve :)
[08:43] <xopher> How can I generate a sha1 password?
[08:51] <sladen> xopher: htpasswd -s ?
[08:52] <xopher> thank you
[09:07] <Hawkwind> jdong: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/128
[09:07] <Hawkwind> jdong: What exactly is this supposed to mean ?
[09:08] <jdong> Hawkwind: the actual build message further up
[09:08] <jdong> Hawkwind: what you pastebined was after the build failed, the builder cleaning up after itself
[09:09] <Hawkwind> Oh, got it.  Thanks
[09:22] <joejaxx> imbrandon: are you there?
[10:06] <Q-FUNK> siretart: are you sure you reported on the right package in bug#63617 ?
[10:06] <Q-FUNK> Bug #63617
[10:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63617 in upgrade-system "crash while removing packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63617
[10:07] <Q-FUNK> hmm... typos r us
[10:14] <siretart> Q-FUNK: ;)
[10:16] <Q-FUNK> siretart: at least it seems to me that you reported on the wrong package...
[10:18] <ajmitch> morning
[10:18] <zul> hey
[10:18] <Q-FUNK> siretart: or is there anything I missed in your report?
[10:25] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: ping
[10:25] <Gloubiboulga> hello LaserJock
[10:27] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: I have a question for you
[10:27] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: you merged goffice for edgy
[10:27] <Gloubiboulga> yes
[10:27] <LaserJock> Gloubiboulga: but did you know that you merged the Debian experimental version
[10:28] <LaserJock> your changelog entry says unstable I believe
[10:28] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, my changelog is wrong then
[10:28] <LaserJock> but the version you merged is from experimental
[10:28] <LaserJock> was there a reason for that?
[10:28] <Gloubiboulga> Daniel asked me to pick the ezxperimental package
[10:28] <LaserJock> grr, ok
[10:29] <LaserJock> it breaks a package I'm trying to get into edgy
[10:29] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, which package ?
[10:29] <LaserJock> but if Daniel asked you to then I assume he had a reason
[10:29] <LaserJock> gnome-chemisty-utils
[10:29] <LaserJock> the author said that version of goffice is very unstable
[10:29] <LaserJock> and it's been in experimental for like 4 months
[10:30] <LaserJock> anyway, I just wondered what the motivation was and if that was indeed what you meant to do
[10:30] <Gloubiboulga> I've not used goffice a lot actually
[10:31] <Gloubiboulga> I was surprised too when Daniel started to merge the experimental package and I asked him if he was sure about this, and he was :)
[10:31] <Q-FUNK> LaserJock: are you sue that chemistry supplies are not banned in USA?
[10:32] <LaserJock> heh, yes
[10:32] <LaserJock> I'm a chemist, we can get anything ;-)
[10:32] <LaserJock> it's the biologists that have more problems
[10:33] <Q-FUNK> oh?
[10:35] <LaserJock> Q-FUNK: sure, I don't do test on living subjects, I don't deal with toxins, or biohazards
[10:35] <LaserJock> no DNA floating about
[10:35] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:35] <LaserJock> I just blast molecules with a laser
[10:35] <Q-FUNK> nukes!  on a m***** snake!
[10:36] <Q-FUNK> ^plane
[10:37] <Q-FUNK> "thank you for buying 10kg of potassium nitrate and 2 litres of glycerin.  find the invoice attached.  yours, acme chemistry supplies LLC billing department"
[10:38] <LaserJock> sure
[10:38] <LaserJock> we make a nerve gas used in WW I all the time
[10:38] <ajmitch> how strict are the controls on some of that stuff?
[10:39] <LaserJock> none
[10:39] <LaserJock> it's a common synthetic chemistry compound
[10:39] <ajmitch> doesn't surprise me
[10:39] <LaserJock> there is no way to control stuff that tightly
[10:39] <Q-FUNK> afak most of the items can alreayd be found as industrial-grade cleaning agents at janitoring supplies or as fetilizers.
[10:39] <LaserJock> we have to account for the stuff we buy and get rid of
[10:39] <LaserJock> but that's mostly for budget people
[10:40] <LaserJock> and the EPA
[10:40] <LaserJock> making sure we aren't polluting the rivers
[10:40] <LaserJock> Q-FUNK: exactly
[10:41] <Q-FUNK> funny how small research labs have to obey EPA regulations and 2 miles down the road a factory is killing all the oxygen in the river.
[10:41] <LaserJock> well, they get hit too, but they like to threaten us a lot
[10:41] <LaserJock> tbh, our medium size uni does produce a whole lot of nasty stuff
[10:42] <Q-FUNK> labs are comparatively small.  little legal budget and no apparent immediate ROI from the layman's point f view.  meanwhile, factories pocket fortunes and employ whole towns.
[10:43] <Q-FUNK> still, it sad how research labs try to do everything by the book and yet factories that produce waste in much bigger volumes don't.
[10:43] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure my uni produces the most pollutants and uses the most electricity of any organization in the city
[10:43] <Q-FUNK> yikes
[10:43] <LaserJock> but I know what you mean
[10:43] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that's quite likely here as well
[10:44] <LaserJock> my building alone costs something like $300,000 in heat/electricity  per month
[10:44] <ajmitch> ouch
[10:44] <LaserJock> they have been shutting down all non-essential buildings on campus for 2-3 weeks at Christmas
[10:45] <LaserJock> saves them close to a $1milllion
[10:45] <LaserJock> I think my uni  also uses the most water of any organization
[11:05] <siretart> Q-FUNK: oh, indeed. probably update-manager would have been a better choice. sorry for the noise
[11:06] <Q-FUNK> siretart: I was just wondering where all those logs were coming from, but then I noticed the python bits.
[11:06] <AnAnt> a problem in multiverse I think
[11:06] <siretart> they are indeed from update-manager
[11:06] <AnAnt> there's a game called uqm
[11:06] <siretart> AnAnt: even if, update-manager should just break in that case
[11:06] <AnAnt> the repos has version 0.5.0-2ubuntu1 of that game
[11:07] <AnAnt> yet, that game depends on uqm-content (>=0.5) which is not available in the repos
[11:07] <AnAnt> siretart: huh ?
[11:08] <siretart> AnAnt: the result after this crash was a partial upgrade :(
[11:08] <AnAnt> siretart: btw, I did apt-get update, didn't use update-manager
[11:08] <Q-FUNK> siretart: dpkg -a --configure
[11:08] <Q-FUNK> ?
[11:09] <siretart> Q-FUNK: yes, this configured some packages. I needed to restart with apt-get upgrade
[11:09] <AnAnt> siretart: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=uqm&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[11:10] <siretart> AnAnt: yes, this is a bug in uqm related packages. anyway, update-manager shouldn't break because of unmet deps
[11:10] <AnAnt> no, it doesn't break, it holds uqm to old version
[11:12] <siretart> AnAnt: hm. I noticed that it missed to upgrade a lot of unrealted packages
[11:12] <AnAnt> siretart: it ?
[11:13] <siretart> AnAnt: update-manager
[11:13] <AnAnt> bddebian: hide
[11:13] <AnAnt> siretart: maybe
[11:14] <AnAnt> gotta go
[11:24] <gnomefreak> who is the person to talk to about nvidia?