[05:51] <mbvo> I'm trying to install jre, how do i get the mutiverse thing on synaptic package manager on edubuntu?
[06:21] <omar> hi guys I installed frostwire and it dowsn't open , what can I do
[07:37] <highvoltage> :)
[07:38] <cbx33> did anyone find out about MV yeT?
[07:39] <highvoltage> what does MV stand for again?
[07:39] <cbx33> Mountain View
[07:39] <highvoltage> ah right
[08:34] <RichEd> mornin'
[08:47] <RichEd> hi Burgundavia you awake ?
[09:10] <Burgundavia> RichEd: yes, but quite busy
[09:11] <RichEd> No problem ... just checking in to see we are all okay after the passionate debate the other day :)
[09:12] <Burgundavia> oh yeop
[09:40] <RichEd> hi willvdl ... how's big bad jo'burg ?
[09:41] <willvdl> Hi RichEd. I am now exhausted :)
[09:42] <RichEd> It's been quite productive so far :) What's on the cards for today ?
[09:43] <RichEd> And when do you see Edward ? Did you read his comments in the KDE mail blip.
[09:48] <willvdl> Haven't had a chance to se Edward yet unfortunately
[09:49] <willvdl> Today and tomorrow involves a lot of door-knocking again
[09:51] <RichEd> [Did you read his comments in the KDE mail blip ?] 
[09:51] <RichEd> It would be good for us to chat about an approach to him before you see him ... 
[09:52] <willvdl> yeah I did
[10:20] <DeMoNSeEd> hello
[10:21] <RichEd> hi
[10:21] <DeMoNSeEd> hi!
[10:21] <RichEd> hello!
[10:22] <DeMoNSeEd> i wanted to know, if you know of someone who would be willing to write up a little user review/ experience tpye of deal on Edubuntu
[10:22] <DeMoNSeEd> *type
[10:23] <DeMoNSeEd> i would like to feature it as a distro on our site and that type of thing always goes along well with it
[10:23] <Burgundavia> DeMoNSeEd: the -marketing team can help you with that
[10:23] <RichEd> That's great ... I'll do or manage that for you ... what's your site ?
[10:23] <DeMoNSeEd> marketing
[10:24] <DeMoNSeEd> http://www.gotux.org
[10:24] <DeMoNSeEd> within the next couple weeks we're adding a L.I.E section
[10:24] <RichEd> DeMoNSeEd: I'm Education 1st list contact, and I need to develop links like the one you are offering ... so I'll hold your hand through this one, and liaise with marketing if we need it.
[10:25] <RichEd> *1st line contact
[10:25] <RichEd> checking out your site now ... brb
[10:26] <DeMoNSeEd> cool, the L.I.E is still to come, i want to set it up right, to hilite the abilities of Edubuntu  and linux as a whole in the edu enviro
[10:26] <DeMoNSeEd> it's lacking right now, i've just this eve deleted some stuff on front page to make way for new tomorrow
[10:27] <tomveens> Have you read the articles saying that there is a need on school for educational games?
[10:27] <tomveens> I have read the dutch version so I don't know where there is an english one
[10:28] <RichEd> Ahhhh ... right on target with my current pitch ... do you have any Ubuntu contact / help / info yet ?
[10:28] <DeMoNSeEd> read it, i live it, i've been trying for months to get it in our local schoo;, i get so very very close, but apparently, there's a certain degree of resistance, for a person up the line, but i know i will win out
[10:29] <DeMoNSeEd> nope, actually kinda ticked in a way
[10:29] <RichEd> How about we work towards a font page story for the Edgy release on October 26th ?
[10:29] <DeMoNSeEd> i had ordered via my shipit some edubuntus, i never got them
[10:30] <tomveens> it takes six weeks
[10:30] <RichEd> I can give you a good picture of Ubuntu and Edubuntu and how they fit together ... and our plans for the next year.
[10:30] <DeMoNSeEd> sure, i'll gladly just put fluff up there till then
[10:30] <RichEd> (for the education programe)
[10:30] <DeMoNSeEd> super
[10:31] <RichEd> Check this out for a quick ref: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[10:31] <DeMoNSeEd> and if it's cool with you as i bring my Linux in Education section online, i'll keep in touch with you?
[10:31] <RichEd> You can cull some good stuff from there ... without much tweaking. Use that in the meanwhile.
[10:32] <RichEd> DeMoNSeEd: great -> off to msg window for a quickie
[10:34] <tomveens> Is there a game development section of edubuntu? 
[10:41] <RichEd> tomveens: no, but we're busy making a space where people can discuss this and share learnings / research / collaborate
[10:52] <DeMoNSeEd> g'night everyone, take care
[12:02] <cbx33> ping ogra
[12:40] <sirex> Hello
[12:41] <sirex> I'm planning to install edubuntu in all computers of a school.
[12:41] <sirex> But that school has computers not very fast.
[12:42] <sirex> So I planing to install Xubuntu.
[12:43] <sirex> And vanted to know is there are a way to get all dep packages in one place, that I could install it in Xubuntu?
[12:43] <sirex> s/dep/deb
[12:44] <RichEd> hi sirex ... I am a bit busy now ... but I could help if you sent me an email ? riched@ubuntu.com
[12:45] <sirex> ok
[12:54] <RichEd> sirex : No mail as yet ... please send even a short query mail ... I am going in to a meeting now ... and don't want to lose your request. I need to understand and solve your problem !
[12:54] <RichEd> Thanks
[01:06] <sirex> ok
[01:06] <sirex> One minute..
[01:09] <sirex> RichEd: already sended it
[01:09] <RichEd> thanks
[01:29] <Amaranth> So if I didn't get an email or anything that means I didn't get sponsorship to go to mountain view, right?
[01:33] <rodarvus> UDS emails were sent this morning?
[01:34] <Amaranth> supposedly they were sent yesterday
[01:34] <Amaranth> that's what the wiki says
[01:35] <Amaranth> "Notification of those chosen for sponsorship will be notified on Mon 2nd Oct 2006."
[01:40] <juliux> why is the next uds in the usa?
[01:44] <RichEd> sirex ... you there still ?
[01:46] <ogra> juliux, because it was about time to ... we have many users in the US 
[01:47] <juliux> ogra, but very strict laws if you travel from europe in the usa
[01:47] <juliux> ogra, and you need a new passport ;)
[01:47] <ogra> i didnt two weeks ago
[01:48] <juliux> hm 
[01:48] <ogra> after i was there recently i can just say its way less scary than everybody thinks :)
[01:49] <rodarvus> USA is scary, but not for (most) europeans
[01:49] <rodarvus> Amaranth, afaik, no email has been sent (yet)
[01:49] <ogra> apart from having a horrible long biarding time in frankfurt it was like any other travel i did the last yers
[01:49] <juliux> i think if they want my personal data they should come to me not i am to them
[01:50] <ogra> well, right, they take your fingerprints and a pic if you enter and exit the country
[01:50] <ogra> but they could do that secretly as well very easy ... so whats the point... at least they tell you 
[01:51] <juliux> yes but if they do it secretly it cost them money
[01:52] <RichEd> juliux: do you selectively control the right of access to people who arrive at your front door, asking to visit ?
[01:53] <ogra> juliux, why ? they have observation cameras on airports anyway .. 
[01:53] <sirex> RichEd: yep
[01:53] <juliux> ogra, cameras but no fingerprints ;)
[01:53] <ogra> i guess it would have been cheaper to use these instead of setting up dedicated ones
[01:53] <juliux> ogra, and they have the picutre but not more
[01:53] <RichEd> Not that I am supporting the US or its policies ... but it their crib, and you want to visit, so they screen you.
[01:54] <RichEd> sirex ... the machine spec you sent me is great for Edubuntu LTSP workstations ... have you considered that option ?
[01:54] <juliux> ogra, and don't forget, they need the money you spend there so, why should give them my fingerprints ?
[01:55] <ogra> well, its their rule 
[01:55] <juliux> and my rule is not to go there;)
[01:55] <ogra> you dont need to agree ... but then you cant go :)
[01:56] <juliux> i dont want to go to the usa
[01:56] <ogra> nobody forces you :)
[01:56] <juliux> there are enough countries who loves to get my money
[01:57] <sirex> RichEd: no havn't considered it, LTSP is like a server? Now im searching the web about it..
[01:57] <juliux> for example Czech Republic
[01:57] <RichEd> sirex ... hang on 2 mins and I will give you a quick intro and links
[01:58] <ogra> juliux, thats so german ... " countries who loves to get my money"
[01:58] <juliux> ogra, i know
[02:03] <RichEd> sirex: LTSP is a LAN based configuration allowing low spec machines to boot directly & run off a central LTSP server.
[02:03] <sirex> thanks..
[02:04] <sirex> but for I needs one big server?
[02:04] <RichEd> sirex: Edubuntu LTSP Server is installed on one decent spec hardware box, and the remaining workstations all run off this server. The desktop configuration is standardised, with a single central point of admin.
[02:04] <RichEd> ogra will be able to tell you the spec of the box ... ogra ?
[02:05] <ogra> 256M for the server itself, 128M per client you attach ...
[02:05] <RichEd> sirex has got 20x: CPU: 233 MHz /  RAM:    64 MB - 92 MB / HDD:    5 GB - 8 GB
[02:05] <ogra> i.e. with 1G memory you can run 6 clients
[02:06] <ogra> and indeed the clients need no HD 
[02:06] <sirex> hm, this LTSP thinkg sounds dificult.. :)
[02:06] <RichEd> he was looking at Xubuntu and adding Edu apps, but his life would be some much easier with an Edubuntu LTSP install ?
[02:06] <RichEd> *so much
[02:06] <ogra> it isnt ... edubuntu sets it up for you on install (at oleast in edgy, which will release in 3 weeks)
[02:08] <RichEd> sirex: I'll find you a link ... you can read it up for yourself ... it is easy to install and use, much easier than maintainnig a "custom xubuntu" install !
[02:08] <ogra> right, the big advantage is that everything you have to maintain is the server ... all user sessions run there
[02:08] <sirex> ogra, do you mean that on edgy edubuntu alsow comes with witch xfce?
[02:08] <ogra> so /home and userdata is in a central place ...
[02:08] <ogra> as well as all maintenance 
[02:08] <ogra> nope ... we didnt have the space on the CD for xfce 
[02:08] <ogra> we'll tra to target that for edgy+1
[02:09] <ogra> there is a spec thats approved, but the space constraints kept us from implementing it yet
[02:10] <sirex> hm, so then for LTSP I will need an server with at least 256Mb of ram and big hdd, and all I need is to set up one server?
[02:10] <tomveens> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWiring
[02:11] <ogra> sirex, right, then rip out the HDs from the clients and make them netboot ... 
[02:11] <ogra> thats all
[02:11] <RichEd> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation <- start here
[02:11] <sirex> ogra one LTSP server can handle only 6 clients?
[02:11] <RichEd> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook <- then here
[02:12] <ogra> sirex, the ltsp server needs 256M to run the server processes and 128M for every running client ... so with 1G main memory you can run 6 clients
[02:13] <ogra> with 2G you can run 14 ... etc etc
[02:13] <ogra> since the clients share stuff in ram on the server i guess even 20 would be possible with 2G
[02:13] <RichEd> and detail is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/ThinClient
[02:14] <ogra> the clients themselves can be very low spec ...
[02:14] <ogra>  CPU: 233 MHz / RAM: 64 MB would totally suffice here ...
[02:15] <ogra> (and no HD)
[02:17] <sirex> Now I undertood every thing.. :) Well its realy nice thing!
[02:17] <sirex> :)
[02:19] <RichEd> Sirex ... it is way easier to sort out your one big box, and stick with Edubuntu, than build a custom install. You will then be welcome in the Edubuntu community with a standard install each release - 80% of our Education focus is around Edubuntu.
[02:19] <RichEd> ( Xubuntu is not a big focus for us we have far more LTSP users in Education )
[02:23] <RichEd> so, mr highvoltage, whaich is easier for a newish user to install and maintain (and get support): xubuntu + manual install of edu applications, or a standard edubuntu LTSP ?
[02:24] <highvoltage> RichEd: about equally. edubuntu takes about 10 minutes faster to install, probably. Xubuntu is faster on the actual network, though.
[02:24] <highvoltage> RichEd: the installation of the edu stuff is just an apt-get install away :)
[02:25] <RichEd> So I want to know is there a way, that I could get all educational packages
[02:25] <RichEd> from Edubuntu in one place as .deb files? 
[02:25] <RichEd> Then I be able to do this:
[02:25] <RichEd>     % cd edubuntu_debs
[02:25] <RichEd>     % sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[02:27] <highvoltage> RichEd: sorry, I didn't see your original question :)
[02:27] <highvoltage> RichEd: yes, you can do that
[02:28] <highvoltage> RichEd: except it should be sudo dpkg -i *.deb if your shell prompt ends with a % ;)
[02:28] <RichEd> highvoltage: [1]  it was in the mail ;) [2]  where does he find the files (archive)
[02:28] <highvoltage> RichEd: [1]  what was the subject of the mail? I don't think I got it.
[02:29] <RichEd> I will forward on ... it was a one-to-one request from IRC interaction because I was in a meeting and the channel was quiet.
[02:29] <highvoltage> [2]  the simplest way is to install all the things you want on a clean system and then find the files in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:30] <RichEd> I'll mail it to the user and CC the mail lsit, so that all can benefit from your wisdom in one sweet answer !
[02:30] <highvoltage> aah, I understand :)
[02:30] <highvoltage> I thoght you were refering to an e-mail you sent to me!
[02:32] <sirex> I thought bout it too, that it is probably esiest way to install all packages through apt-get and then tar -czf it from /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:34] <sirex> But NTLS way is better.. :)
[02:34] <highvoltage> NTLS?
[02:36] <sirex> LTSP
[02:36] <sirex> :)
[02:37] <highvoltage> b b bd b b bb
[02:37] <highvoltage> hi bddebian 
[02:38] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage :-)
[02:39] <highvoltage> :-)
[02:41] <highvoltage> willvdl: wb
[02:50] <willvdl> woot
[02:50] <highvoltage> wwop
[02:51] <willvdl> do you know how to get firefox 1.5.0.5 language packs?
[02:51] <willvdl> translate.org.za haS 1.5.0.7 packs for sepedi
[02:51] <highvoltage> "apt-cache search firefox | grep language" will show you a list
[02:52] <highvoltage> oh translate.org.za packs... hmmm... I'm not sure you currently get them for Ubuntu
[02:53] <willvdl> they have xpi files for firefox
[02:53] <willvdl> on their website
[02:54] <willvdl> but our firefox version is .0.5 ...
[02:57] <willvdl_> one bar on my 3g card...
[02:58] <cbx33> hey willvdl 
[02:58] <cbx33> any news on MV yet?
[03:00] <RichEd> hey CharlieBravoXylophonethirtythree
[03:01] <RichEd> any news on the ICT Chairpersonship yet ?
[03:02] <cbx33> not yet
[03:52] <Petaris> ogra: ping
[03:54] <Petaris> Is there any other way to specify the screen res on the clients other then specifying the horizontal and vertical sync rates?
[04:06] <Petaris> biab
[04:19] <RichEd> quit
[04:24] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:43] <RichEd> hi DeMoNSeEd
[04:43] <DeMoNSeEd> ty
[05:35] <willvdl> ping RichEd
[05:37] <RichEd> hi willvdl 
[05:37] <willvdl> seven kinds of busy here prepping for internal launch
[05:38] <RichEd> HPX you mean inside HP ?
[05:38] <RichEd> or NEPAD ?
[05:38] <willvdl> HP
[05:57] <lguerra> RichEd: ping
[05:59] <RichEd> pong lguerra 
[06:20] <DeMoNSeEd> RichEd, i have to run out for a bit, i'll bbl
[06:26] <LaserJock> morning Edubuntu people
[06:26] <Burgwork> morning LaserJock 
[06:28] <highvoltage> morning LaserJock and Burgwork 
[06:28] <willvdl> anyone know of a cgi:irc server that will get to #edubuntu?
[06:32] <LaserJock> RichEd: still up?
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi LaserJock  :)
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all otehr people active at 2 am :)
[06:34] <LaserJock> 9:30 am here ;-)
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2am+beer=win
[06:37] <highvoltage> Kamping_Kaiser: 18:37 here :)
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> highvoltage, 02:08 here :)
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> gah, wish it was 1800 here  - it would mean i hadnt wasted another 6 hours of my life ;)
[06:41] <highvoltage> heh :)
[06:41] <cbx33> w00t
[06:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:45] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[06:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, dude !!
[06:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, my new sound card came
[06:46] <LaserJock> nice?
[06:46] <cbx33> w0h yeh
[06:46] <cbx33> taken soem pics for the blog
[06:46] <cbx33> just trying to get it working with jack
[06:50] <Petaris> jack can be confusing to setup at times
[06:50] <cbx33> and it's done
[06:50] <cbx33> :)
[06:51] <Petaris> I've played with it a few times
[06:51] <cbx33> I was setting the channel count
[06:51] <Petaris> cool
[06:51] <cbx33> to get it to work with my old card
[06:51] <cbx33> however with this stonking new card I dont need to
[06:51] <Petaris> Which card?
[06:51] <cbx33> an M-Audio Delta 1010 LT
[06:51] <Petaris> nice
[06:51] <cbx33> 10 in 10 out yeh it's nice ;)
[06:52] <Petaris> I have always like Turtle Beach cards, but they just don't have many jacks
[06:53] <cbx33> well someone funded me this card
[06:53] <Petaris> are you doing audio editing or studio recording or something?
[06:53] <cbx33> and I am so totally stoked
[06:53] <cbx33> Petaris, I'm doing the startup sounds for edgy
[06:53] <Petaris> and you need a card like that?
[06:53] <Petaris> haha
[06:54] <Petaris> What software are you going to use?
[06:54] <cbx33> well, it was recommended to me and bought for me
[06:54] <cbx33> ardour naturally
[06:54] <Petaris> nice
[06:54] <Petaris> played with that too
[06:54] <cbx33> it rocks
[06:54] <Petaris> audacity is also quite good, but has less functionality