| Tonio_ | Riddell: it looks like I can't connect sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net | 12:19 |
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| Tonio_ | Permission denied (publickey). | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I used id "tonio" as it is supposed to be this one, am I missing something ? | 12:20 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: have you uploaded your public ssh key to launchpad? | 12:26 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: bah, I think so yes.... | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I couldn't dput to ubuntu without this...... | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: We'll see this tomorrow :) | 12:27 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that's gpg | 12:27 |
| Riddell | they're different | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah... here is the problem then... will do that and finish to read the wiki | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: good ight | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | +n | 12:28 |
| ryanakca_ | Tonio_: yes, it depends on unrar-nonfree | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca_: I changed this to unrar-free and suggested only unrar-nonfree | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca_: we don't that to go in multiverse right ? | 12:29 |
| ryanakca_ | ok, well, as long as it has some form of 'unrar'... | 12:29 |
| gnomefreak | is anyone running edgy with nvidia-glx (one in repos) working in the -10-generic kernel? | 12:31 |
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| ryanakca_ | mhb: hey, what's the feedback about that kubuntu testers group? | 01:10 |
| Hawkwind | ryanakca_: It's already been formed and has an LP page | 01:11 |
| ryanakca_ | good | 01:11 |
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| Lathiat | Riddell: pong | 02:04 |
| jjesse | hmm anyone alive here? | 02:15 |
| jjesse | :) | 02:15 |
| bddebian | "I'm getting better.." | 02:17 |
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| DaSkreech | Hey Hobbsee | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | hey DaSkreech | 05:13 |
| DaSkreech | What's up? | 05:13 |
| DaSkreech | Hung up the Stick yet? | 05:13 |
| Hobbsee | i've discovered that my uni exam timetable is pretty horrible | 05:14 |
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| imbrandon | ... | 05:58 |
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| DaSkreech | eh? | 06:26 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 06:27 |
| DaSkreech | <imbrandon> ... | 06:30 |
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| nixternal | *** qt_plugins_3.3rc (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? | 06:30 |
| nixternal | go with the default i take it? | 06:30 |
| nixternal | thats the first i can remember seeing that during and upgrade | 06:30 |
| DaSkreech | Yes Ignore No Oops Default ZapSystem? | 06:33 |
| nixternal | who knows, i went with the default though | 06:33 |
| nixternal | this is twice in a week we had tornadoes and junk again | 06:34 |
| nixternal | it is almost fall here and we are getting the worst storms of the year | 06:34 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: I'm waiting snow | 06:34 |
| nixternal | ooh i can't wait for snow | 06:35 |
| Tm_T | =) | 06:35 |
| DaSkreech | Informer! | 06:35 |
| nixternal | i need to get the snowboard out of the shed and get ready for the powder | 06:35 |
| Tm_T | I hope we get more snow than just ~50 cm this year | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | hum | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | heya nixternal | 06:36 |
| nixternal | wasabi homey | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | nadda | 06:36 |
| nixternal | power comes back on and i faced with updates ;) | 06:36 |
| nixternal | man, hear comes some more thunder | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | hoked up my mouse and junk to the lappy to make my "stay" a little better ;) | 06:37 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | did some mythtv junk | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | hrm whatelse | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | oh a acidrip fix for jdong | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | in other words bored | 06:37 |
| zphou | hi all | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | heya zphou | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | zphou, why the new nick ? | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:38 |
| zphou | imbrandon: this morning :) | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 06:38 |
| zphou | imbrandon: too many nick like mine, so I changed :) | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | ahh yea | 06:39 |
| zphou | imbrandon: have u tried beryl on your ppc? | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | zphou, not yet, i was thinking about it | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | but i dont have aiglx setup atm | 06:41 |
| zphou | imbrandon: I've built them, do you need them | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | debs ? | 06:41 |
| zphou | I can not use tookhem on my poor ib | 06:41 |
| zphou | imbrandon: ya | 06:41 |
| nixternal | heh, didn't know that was freeflying in disguise | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, i reconised it becouse oh his real name is close to the nice | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | nick* | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | zphou, sure | 06:42 |
| nixternal | brb, reboot..but you won't notice since i rock bip! ;) | 06:42 |
| zphou | nixternal: :) | 06:42 |
| zphou | imbrandon: upload to your server? | 06:43 |
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| imbrandon | zphou, yea thats fine | 06:44 |
| zphou | imbrandon: but the passwd and accound are on the desktop in my office, and now I'm on my vacation :) | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 06:47 |
| nixternal | better | 06:48 |
| imbrandon | zphou, i dont know your password heh, but anywhere is fine | 06:48 |
| imbrandon | how big are they ? | 06:48 |
| zphou | imbrandon: not too big :) | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | heh you can email them then | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | imbrandon@k.o | 06:49 |
| zphou | imbrandon: i upload to http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/beryl-deb/ | 06:52 |
| zphou | imbrandon: just a moment | 06:52 |
| imbrandon | kk | 06:52 |
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| zphou | imbrandon: done | 06:55 |
| imbrandon | nice , ok i'll grab it here in a bit | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | tonio ping | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | err no tonio | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | ;( | 07:03 |
| nixternal | don't mess with the wiki at all, it is garbage and will cause you to loose all of your work | 07:07 |
| nixternal | like the UWN issue 16 went from almost done to gone | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | heya | 07:08 |
| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee! | 07:08 |
| zphou | Hobbsee: hey | 07:08 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 07:08 |
| DaSkreech | Hey Hobbsee :) | 07:10 |
| DaSkreech | Your Uni is forcing you to get up in the morning? | 07:11 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 07:11 |
| Hobbsee | if i want to be at class, yes. | 07:11 |
| nixternal | i hate hplip | 07:11 |
| DaSkreech | Pfft class is overrated | 07:11 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, well... | 07:11 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 07:20 |
| zphou | Hobbsee: universe freeze now? | 07:23 |
| Hobbsee | zphou: yep | 07:24 |
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| DaSkreech | Good night all | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | night DaSkreech | 07:40 |
| Hobbsee | hey raphink | 07:40 |
| raphink | hi Hobbsee | 07:40 |
| zphou | raphink: hi | 08:18 |
| zphou | imbrandon: how about beryl on your ppc? :) | 08:18 |
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| raphink | hi zphou | 08:33 |
| nixternal | bug 61331 | 08:49 |
| Ubug2 | Malone bug 61331 in xorg "[edgy] extremely bold ttf fonts in kubuntu (edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61331 | 08:49 |
| nixternal | huh? | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: by installing msttcorefonts, i expect | 09:02 |
| nixternal | nope | 09:04 |
| nixternal | Tahoma isn't in there | 09:04 |
| nixternal | i made that a "needs more info bud" ;p) | 09:05 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 09:05 |
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| Tonio__ | hi | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | hey Tonio__ :) | 09:54 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, ping | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hi ! | 10:56 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, sorry i dident get your query last night in time, but no i havent heard from canonical yet | 10:56 |
| imbrandon | i was kinda wondering what was up myself | 10:56 |
| imbrandon | have you ? i guess not or you wouldent be asking me hehe | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: oups, okay I have your response :) | 11:03 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, maybe today ? dunno | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I don't know | 11:04 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, i dont even know whom to ask about it | 11:04 |
| imbrandon | lol | 11:05 |
| imbrandon | i would imagine they just got busy though | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | yeah | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: pv | 11:05 |
| seaLne | has anyone seen this: | 11:06 |
| seaLne | apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: invalid ELF header | 11:06 |
| imbrandon | wow , nope | 11:07 |
| imbrandon | seaLne, ^ | 11:07 |
| seaLne | this is on a machine that hadn't been updated for about a week, dist-upgrade failed and now that | 11:08 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: hi | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hey :) | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yesterday you told me to : | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | 1/ update the seeds -> done | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | 2/ update kubuntu-meta -> doesn't work | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | 3/ contact elite person to promote the packages to main | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't I invert 2/ and 3/ ? ;) | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like I need the packages in main to update the metapackage | 11:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: mm, yes | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay I'm preparing the mail for the elite guys | 11:57 |
| Riddell | just ping on irc is the usual way | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah okay, will do then | 12:02 |
| imbrandon | moins Riddell | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: keybuk will do that today, and then I'll update kubuntu-meta | 12:12 |
| Riddell | groovy | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | it makes sense how the seeds are managed now... I spent half of the night looking at this | 12:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ho and you were right concerning my ssh keys :) | 12:13 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: putting sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/ into konqueror is interesting | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, I've done that and checked the structure... | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't understand everything of course, but it globally makes sense | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll improve mimetypes integration concerning video formats today | 12:22 |
| Tonio_ | kaffeine misses a few of them | 12:23 |
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| Tonio_ | the point is do I patch kaffeine.desktop, or should I do that in kds..... I'm unsure at the moment | 12:23 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: if the new mimetypes are useful to anything but kaffeine they should go into kdelibs | 12:24 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: talk to danimo, he said something about new mimetypes recently | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no it is only kaffeine | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | there are a few video formats that kaffeine recognizes but that aren't associated to kaffeine currently | 12:24 |
| Tonio_ | I'll probably patch kaffeine.Desktop | 12:25 |
| Riddell | then kaffeine is the package to patch | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | kmplayer has them but not kaffeine, which is a nonsense since they use the same engine :) | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, will do that way then | 12:25 |
| Riddell | right | 12:25 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: ho and I saw your comment on kmplayer, sorry for the "s/ship/shit" hehe :) | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | it was late :) | 12:27 |
| Riddell | t and p are quite far apart on my keyboard :) | 12:27 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: on mine too, that's the problem hehe :) | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: see bugs 62554 | 12:28 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62554 in kmplayer "0.9.2a -> 0.9.3 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62554 | 12:28 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, well if kmplayer and kaffeine both use them would it not be better to put in kdelibs for both ? just asking as i dont deal with those packages much at all | 12:28 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: kdelibs has the mimetypes, but I need to change kaffeine to be associated to them, here is the point | 12:29 |
| imbrandon | ahhh ok | 12:29 |
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| imbrandon | Tonio_, hahaha @ the bug boo boo | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: as I said, it was *very* late ;) | 12:34 |
| imbrandon | hehe yea ;) | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | but yes, I've been 0wn3d, as young people would way :) | 12:35 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 12:35 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell, p0wnd j00 | 12:35 |
| imbrandon | lol | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | s/way/say | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | rahhhhhhhhhh | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | those keys are closed this time :) | 12:36 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | hum, I read yesterday that kde 3.5.6 might use beryl or an improved kwin with effects.... | 12:38 |
| Tonio_ | that's cool news, since it would be a pain to wait for kde4 to do the same than metacity already has | 12:38 |
| imbrandon | cool | 12:40 |
| Riddell | beryl? | 12:41 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, zphou made some ( ppc only ) beryl packages i was looking into trying sometime today | 12:41 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, compiz fork | 12:41 |
| Riddell | sounds gtkish | 12:41 |
| imbrandon | but beryl works with kde better afaik | 12:42 |
| imbrandon | than plain compiz | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: beryl is a fork of compiz, to remove gconf deps etc....... | 12:42 |
| imbrandon | but i dont have alot of experince with eithert other than just playing with them | 12:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: beryl should be independant from gtk stuff, that's why certain kde guys suggest to consider this waiting for a new kwin | 12:43 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I wanted to test, but there are no beryl + aiglx packages for edgy at the moment | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: only xgl, and I don't want xgl on my laptop :) | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in case you're interested : http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu | 12:45 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, no aiglx ? | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: nope | 12:45 |
| imbrandon | ahh yea the aiglx page is empty | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | works for dapper but no packages for edgy...... | 12:45 |
| imbrandon | shouldent be hard to adapt then | 12:46 |
| imbrandon | i wouldent imagine | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: talking about that do you actually know why aiglx isn't in ubuntu ? I though it was one of the main goals of edgy...... | 12:46 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, it is afaik | 12:46 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, xorg 7.1 has aiglx by default afaik | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: then why do we have to install another X from compiz repos to use it ? | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | ummm we dont compiz and everything is in edgy | 12:47 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch did alot of work in that area not long ago with quin | 12:48 |
| Riddell | beryl is just a themable compiz without the gconf dependency | 12:48 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, basicly | 12:48 |
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| imbrandon | Tonio_, http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/beryl-deb/ you might ask zphou for the /debian | 12:50 |
| imbrandon | if you wanna build for non-ppc | 12:50 |
| imbrandon | ( those are for edgy ) | 12:50 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: because most people can't use it with free drivers | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah, because of nvidia, once again.......; | 12:51 |
| imbrandon | yea nvidia free driver dosent work with it ;( | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: it should change in the near future | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: hm? | 12:53 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, talking about third party repos shouldent be needed for compiz in edgy | 12:53 |
| imbrandon | ( not beryl ) | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | hum works pretty well :) | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: oh right | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I just installed beryl from the dapper repo, and it works like a charm :) | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | people will still use them | 12:54 |
| imbrandon | yea something about new crack but since quins broke my install i'm leary about repos i dont trust ;) | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | well the issue is still that we really miss kwin then.... I'll still wait I think :) | 12:55 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, yea with kwin it will be nicer for kde but it will be a while i'm thinking | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | kde 3.5.6 or kde 4 | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | I read 3.5.6 | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, rember the link? | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: it was a french kde developper on a french forum :) | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: don't think that would help you a lot :) | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | i was thinking it was on a ML or dot | 12:59 |
| Riddell | I think I'd remember if I'd published a story like that on the dot :) | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | heheh true | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, you run dot ? | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 01:02 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | oh wow , i dident know that | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | hum, even yakuake works :) | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | I'm impressed ;) | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | you just used the dapper debs ? | 01:06 |
| imbrandon | no rebuild ? cool | 01:06 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: I'm removing your kubuntu_54_mouse_scroll_speed.diff from kde 3.5.5 | 01:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: we have 3.5.5 now? | 01:30 |
| Riddell | I do | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: so you're in need of testers, i take it? | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, is it tagged yet ? or early stuff | 01:31 |
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| Riddell | I assume it's tagged since there are tars | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | 2.5.5 going in edgy ? | 01:31 |
| imbrandon | err s/2/3 | 01:31 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: not yet, I've only compiled arts | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahh okay | 01:32 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: I've no idea | 01:32 |
| Hobbsee | may as well. saves us supporting 2 versions. | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, cool , man i wish i had my fast box to help | 01:32 |
| imbrandon | grr | 01:32 |
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| ajmitch | imbrandon: trying to build the world? | 01:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is there any reason you removed it ? | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I though the patch had gone to the svn no ? | 01:34 |
| imbrandon | heh ajmitch nah just to fix *.shn files in amarok | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, but yea lots of things depend on xine-lib soooo | 01:35 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: it doesn't apply, there's been a change to that file but I'm not sure if it's the same as your patch | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: you could use my box if you could stand the lack of bandwidth | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, that would be rockin | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: what do you need? | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | I found that only 1 of the 2 power supply fans has stopped | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | just pbuilder really | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | ahh nice | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | well kinda nice | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | heh | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | better than none | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | so it still has some airflow | 01:37 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | plus there are a bunch of other fans in the case which I haven't hooked up but still can | 01:38 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: remove the patch, I'll have a look later.... but toma confirmed me that the patch had been merged in svn | 01:46 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok, so that'll be why it doesn't apply :) | 01:48 |
| sebas | Riddell: What's the status of the meeting minutes? | 01:52 |
| sebas | nevermind, I see they're published. | 01:53 |
| sebas | Thanks! | 01:53 |
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| jita | how much time it takes to boot the system completely? | 01:56 |
| Riddell | sebas: planning any sort of publicity for it? | 01:57 |
| Riddell | jita: that depends on 50 different things | 01:57 |
| jita | its takes too much time on my machine amd athlon 2.0 with 512MB ram | 01:58 |
| jita | around 1 min 20 secs | 01:58 |
| jita | is it normal? | 01:59 |
| imbrandon | jita, yea a minute and a half is about right | 02:01 |
| jita | and whats the proper way of disabling the services i dont need from the boot? | 02:02 |
| imbrandon | jita, more approperate for a support channel but afaik you can install "bum" ( boot up manager ) and do it from there | 02:08 |
| imbrandon | or just do it the "debian" way of thinking and uninstall what you dont need | 02:08 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: hmm, kubuntu_75_kicker_taskbar_resize.diff also doesn't apply | 02:10 |
| Riddell | in kdebase | 02:10 |
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| imbrandon | was that the one to make it 48px by default? with 3.5.5 we could probably reengerre that OR set it in k-d-s | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, i twould have been | 02:16 |
| jita | how do i disable some partitions frm auto mounting from boot? | 02:17 |
| imbrandon | edit /etc/fstab and add the option "noauto" , again more suited to a support channel like #kubuntu | 02:18 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 02:19 |
| jita | could anyone please look at this bug? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mesa-utils/+bug/63461 | 02:21 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63461 in mesa-utils "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 02:21 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 02:38 |
| imbrandon | heya bddebian | 02:38 |
| bddebian | Hi imbrandon | 02:38 |
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| mhb | hello everyone | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | moins mhb | 02:53 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, how are simes patches holding up in 3.5.5 ? | 02:54 |
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| Riddell | imbrandon: fine, just one indentatio change needed | 03:03 |
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| Riddell | indentation | 03:03 |
| imbrandon | sweet | 03:05 |
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| gnomefreak | is there a testing repo for 3.5.5 yet? | 03:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kubuntu_75_kicker_taskbar_resize.diff is not from me | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you added it to close kde bug 128552 | 03:28 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 128552 in taskbarapplet "REGRESSION: "Length" has no effect if External TaskBar is at the side of the screen" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128552 | 03:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: oh, oops :) | 03:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok, guess that's been fixed upstream then | 03:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe :) | 03:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: probably yes | 03:32 |
| Riddell | that'll be digikam in main then | 03:33 |
| imbrandon | yup | 03:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, I'm just waiting for the information to refresh on the repos and I'll upgrade kubuntu-desktop | 03:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks for letting me do, that helps to learn ;) | 03:33 |
| gnomefreak | btw is there anyway to stop kubuntu usplash from overwriting the settings? and kubuntu adds a grub splash also but doesnt work. | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: as long as your theme isn't called "kubuntu", settings aren't overwritten | 03:39 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: i use the ubuntu usplash and any update to kubuntu usplash changes it to kubuntu usplash | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | ah oups........ usplash :) | 03:40 |
| gnomefreak | its overwriting update-alternatives | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yes, we did that to force changing the settings since there was an error | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: that should be removed from kde before edgy is out | 03:41 |
| gnomefreak | ok cool | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: but we need to keep it for the moment | 03:41 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak, well not atm they arent really designed to be installed side by side , but i'll work on a way to make that not happen as i was the one that added it in | 03:41 |
| gnomefreak | thats fine i just wasnt sure if you were aware of it | 03:41 |
| Riddell | aware of what? | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: in fact we renamed the usplash so we have to for the removal and reinstalling of the old one | 03:41 |
| gnomefreak | usplash being overwriten | 03:41 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, that's what we had to force in kds | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | when you have all the usplashes installed , kubuntu is defaulted ever time k-d-s is updated ( that last bit of --set i added is doing it ) but i need to find another solution | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, ^^ | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that since we renamed since dapper, I wonder what is the impact for people migrating from dapper to edgy without the force........ | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | maybe we will have to let it, I'm unsure | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, exactly , i'll figure it out before today is over, i was just looking at that infact | 03:43 |
| gnomefreak | imbrandon: no rush | 03:43 |
| gnomefreak | i just wasnt sure if it was meant to do that | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the problem is that certain people have a "manual" alternative for an unknown reason | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: if it is not "auto" for everyone, we don't have another choice than forcing the deletion and reinstallation | 03:43 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, yea , its a race | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | which sets it by default | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: so here is the problem...... | 03:44 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, right right, yea thats why i made it that way, but i wasent thinking of if people have two -desktops installed | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: if we remove that, it'll work for 90% of the users, but potentially about 10% will have the issue | 03:44 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: what's this about a grub splash? | 03:44 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, i have another solution i think ;) slow up buddy hehe | 03:44 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, usplash | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: can you explain please ? | 03:45 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: kubuntu install sets up a grub theme but before grub comes up it says it cant be found | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: are we really installig this ? | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: never seen that | 03:45 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: maybe | 03:45 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: i install a buch of things with kubuntu | 03:45 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, where the packages use the rank in updatealternative instead of -set | 03:45 |
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| Riddell | gnomefreak: we have kubuntu-grub-splashimages but that certainly shouldn't be installed by default | 03:46 |
| Tonio_ | kubuntu-grub-splashimages - grub splashimages for Kubuntu | 03:46 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: but i think even installing the grub-themes package but still should let the person config it | 03:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah it isn't... but maybe it doesn't work with grub updates, since raphink didn't maintain it recently afaik | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | we have splash images for grub? i though those were turned off intentionaly becouse it broke on most video cards | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yes, but there is a package, raphink did it | 03:47 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: we don't ship it by default, of course | 03:47 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, as far as the usplash thing, i have it fixed localy i think testing after bit and i'll upload it tonight or in the morning | 03:48 |
| raphink | Tonio_: my package doesn't work? | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: well if you find a better way to fix the alternative even when set to manual, would be nice :) | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | basicly using the update-alternatives in the usplash to determine not the -set | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: don't know, but gnomefreak reports it doesn't | 03:48 |
| gnomefreak | i know i installed the kubuntu-grub-splash package now. but since its not pointing to right place (maybe due to dualbooting) it tells me to hit a key to continue than grub comes up. i dont think its that bad personally cause i can easily stop it but im thinking newusers may not know how to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak, new users also wont install that package ;) | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | but good point | 03:49 |
| gnomefreak | imbrandon: alot of people look to change the grub screen | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: nope, a lot of geeks do :) | 03:50 |
| gnomefreak | ok us too ;) | 03:50 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: and geeks generally now how to edit menu.lst | 03:50 |
| Tonio_ | as you and me in fact | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | that and its as easy as adding a splash.xpm.gz to /boot/grub/ | 03:50 |
| Tonio_ | my sister will never install kubuntu-grub-splash | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | no "package" needed ;) | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | well that + update-grub | 03:51 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 03:51 |
| Tonio_ | the point is I wouldn't let a package touching to menu.lst | 03:51 |
| Tonio_ | first because it is hard to make it automatic, since the file depends on the machine config | 03:51 |
| Tonio_ | and secondly, because if we miss an upgrade, that is way to dangerous :) | 03:52 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, packages dont have to , grub looks for a specific image name e.g. splash.xpm.gz unless its specified in the config | 03:52 |
| gnomefreak | # Splashimage line added by kubuntu-grub-splashimages package | 03:53 |
| gnomefreak | splashimage=(hd0 | 03:53 |
| gnomefreak | (hd1,-1)/boot/grub/splashimages/KUBUNTU_splashscreen_blue_neon_logo_03.xpm.gz | 03:53 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yeah but that's a pain to manage too, since if we have packages providing this, we have to maintain the conflicts btween all of them | 03:53 |
| gnomefreak | that is default in grub | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | so cp myimage.xpm.gz to /boot/grub/ && update-grub works | 03:53 |
| gnomefreak | whent he package is installed | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, thats what the alternatives system is for ;) | 03:53 |
| Tonio_ | but I agree that's another possibility | 03:53 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: I don't say it is not fesable ;) | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | may not be "easy" but its right | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | just that it is long to do | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | yea | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: we can think about it for edgy +1 | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | true | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | too late for edgy and mdz would kill us if we even think to touch to something relative to grub ;) | 03:54 |
| Tonio_ | and honnestly, I don't want to loose my upload rights ^_^ | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | ok , i'm gonna go grab some food, gnomefreak / Tonio_ i'll try to get the usplash stuff figured out tonight 100% but for now you have to use kubuntus gnomefreak ;) | 03:55 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: very cool :) have a good meal | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, agreed | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | ( on the grub ) | 03:56 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: can "don't use gnome, that sucks" be an alternative solution to the bug ? ;) | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | hahaha | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | i wish | 03:56 |
| Tonio_ | hehe ^^ | 03:56 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: kidding of course :) | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, did we ever talk kwwii into putting a color behind the usplash ? imho i'm with you and thing it would rock | 03:57 |
| imbrandon | s/thing/think | 03:58 |
| gnomefreak | imbrandon: thats fine ;) | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak, tbh it was a hack to the postinst i added that causes that to make upgrades from dapper to edgy work smooth, but i have a better solution now i'll try tonight | 03:59 |
| gnomefreak | imbrandon: ok | 03:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: yeah I did, he suggested one..... we should give a try | 03:59 |
| imbrandon | becosue when i was doing it i dident think about gnome uspalshers with both desktops installed | 03:59 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, ohh he made one ? | 04:00 |
| imbrandon | nice | 04:00 |
| imbrandon | ok welp i'm off to some food, bbiab | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: no but he suggested a color :) we should give a try | 04:00 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok | 04:00 |
| Tonio_ | we should re-ask him | 04:00 |
| imbrandon | right, hopefully he will pop in today | 04:00 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hopefully :) | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: just received this : Invitation to UDS Mountain View | 04:02 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 04:02 |
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| Hobbsee | Tonio_: nice! congrats! | 04:04 |
| DaSkreech | Congrats! | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | hehe thanks :) | 04:05 |
| zphou | imbrandon: how about the beryl on your ppc? | 04:06 |
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| imbrandon | Tonio_, whoohoo , me too "Subject: Invitation to UDS Mountain View" | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | zphou, i havent installed it yet, i have it downloaded | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | but not installed yet, have a few more things to get finished, moving my /var and /home to a new partition and stuff | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | but i will before today is done | 04:11 |
| zphou | :) | 04:11 |
| zphou | imbrandon: cool, you got invitation to UDS :) | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: congratulations | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | oh good, i didnt get an email | 04:19 |
| imbrandon | hehe thanks | 04:19 |
| DaSkreech | It's open to the public? | 04:21 |
| DaSkreech | Oh Wow it's @ google :) | 04:22 |
| === DaSkreech pokes imbrandon | ||
| DaSkreech | Grab me a copy of Goobuntu :) | 04:22 |
| marseillai_ | Riddell: shouldn't you add a blank repository for edgy in amarok-latest and koffice-latest before the release? it will perhaps avoid problems .... | 04:22 |
| Riddell | problems? | 04:23 |
| zphou | DaSkreech: giibuntu? | 04:23 |
| DaSkreech | gilbuntu is more like it | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | marseillai_: for people upgrading? | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | from dapper? | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | hmm | 04:25 |
| marseillai_ | Riddell: people who change every "dapper" by "edgy" in there sources.list and have errors when upgrading | 04:25 |
| marseillai_ | Hobbsee: yes | 04:25 |
| Riddell | I see, I suppose I could do that | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | marseillai_, well if there is nothing in the repo ( e.g. blank Packages.gz ) then apt will complain just as much afaik | 04:28 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: shouldn't do | 04:28 |
| marseillai_ | are you sure that an empty repos is not better than a non existing repo imbrandon ? 'im not sure .... | 04:29 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok i was thinking it would maybe its just if one arch is missing but the Releases says its there | 04:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I'm removing kubuntu_13_downgrade_kwallet.diff too since it doesn't apply, we can re-do the patch if we still have kwallet problems | 04:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes | 04:30 |
| freeflying | Riddell: do you think we really needd kwallet? | 04:30 |
| Riddell | freeflying: of course | 04:30 |
| Riddell | I can't live without it, all those passwords | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we can think about replacing it eventually ;) | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | kde-pwmanager is a kwallet emulator, and is by far more complete | 04:31 |
| marseillai_ | pwmanager ? | 04:31 |
| DaSkreech | And Riddell is we :) | 04:31 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: more complete in what way? | 04:31 |
| freeflying | Riddell: but all passwd stored in it are plain text | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you can use it as password generator too | 04:31 |
| Riddell | freeflying: they are not, they're strongly encrypted | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and its UI to store and read the pawsswords is more "clear" to me | 04:32 |
| freeflying | Riddell: anyone can read the passwd from it | 04:32 |
| Riddell | freeflying: it's definately encrypted, ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: yeah there is no security issue with it | 04:33 |
| freeflying | Riddell: but when you happen left your desktop, then anyone can read your passwds using kwallet | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: and can do many more....... | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: first security is the user.... | 04:34 |
| freeflying | :) | 04:34 |
| marseillai_ | freeflying: right click and lock session | 04:34 |
| marseillai_ | ;) | 04:34 |
| freeflying | marseillai_: I see :) | 04:35 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: only if you have given kwallet manager permission to read the wallet always | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, you shouldent walk away from the computer without locking the screen anyhow | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | heh | 04:36 |
| freeflying | heh, seems I'd give up :) | 04:36 |
| Riddell | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopArtwork/WallpapersEtch interesting bunch, I'd go for 1 or 2 | 04:37 |
| Riddell | fabo: is there going to be a common default wallpaper between gnome and kde in etch? | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | yea i like #1 | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | hum, yes, #1 is cool | 04:39 |
| fabo | Riddell: we'll try but etch is too close ... so i don't think it will be the same | 04:45 |
| gnomefreak | i like 6 | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kubuntu-desktop uploaded | 05:03 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell, ping | 05:11 |
| Riddell | hi imbrandon | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | hey , i'm i reading this wrong or is there a messup in the dates | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | for UDS | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | Dates - Please arrange to arrive by the evening of Saturday 4th | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | November. The event will start at 09.00 on Monday 5th November | 05:11 |
| imbrandon | 5th is Sunday | 05:11 |
| Riddell | Sunday 5th to Friday 10th November 2006 | 05:11 |
| Riddell | says https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | ok so she just mistyped and said monday | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | just makin sure | 05:12 |
| Riddell | curious day to start on sunday, not surprised she got confused | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | yea | 05:12 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: "Removed kmplayer-konq-plugins" ? | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hu ? | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | what's that ? | 05:13 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: your upload of kubuntu-meta | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just performed ./update | 05:13 |
| Riddell | it's still in the seeds | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum...... | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | yeah, I missed that in the changelog...... | 05:14 |
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| Tonio_ | what's this ? | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it went back to universe........ | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: who did this ? | 05:15 |
| Riddell | yes, it has | 05:15 |
| Riddell | no idea | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: could my upgrade cause this ? | 05:15 |
| imbrandon | i dident touch it .... heh | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: maybe someone though it was a frontend to mplayer and thus it couldn't be in universe | 05:15 |
| Riddell | that does seem to be a common misunderstanding | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | yeah no issues in the seeds, I was *very* carefull when I touched this | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, kmplayer name is stupid........ | 05:16 |
| imbrandon | mdz commented on a bug reciently thinking it was a mplayer frontend | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm pinging on #ubuntu-devel | 05:16 |
| Riddell | that's why goldenear is changing it :) | 05:16 |
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| Tonio_ | I'm pretty sure it is this..... | 05:18 |
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| goldenear | actualy kmplayer will stay kmplayer for kde 3.5 | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: yeah we know ;) | 05:21 |
| goldenear | it will become oskar for kde 4 :) | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | just that it confuses the "masters" of ubuntu since they generally use gnome :) | 05:21 |
| imbrandon | heh | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | I'm pretty sure it has been removed because of its name...... | 05:22 |
| goldenear | I can't see an other reason... | 05:23 |
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| goldenear | kmplayer is fully gpl and not mplayer or any closed source codec dependent | 05:23 |
| goldenear | btw Tonio_, I've switched to edgy now :) | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: we know :) just that the name is historic :) | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: and your feedback ? | 05:24 |
| goldenear | It was really a pain to install it !!! | 05:24 |
| goldenear | the desktop cd doesn't work for me (I report the bug)... It fails during hardware detectection | 05:25 |
| goldenear | the alternate cd works, but it doesn't recognise my network card (missing r1000 module, "bug" reported) | 05:26 |
| goldenear | I had to install the fr language pack after install (when r1000 module is loaded) | 05:26 |
| goldenear | Also I don't know if it's normal, but I don't have a splash screen during the boot process | 05:27 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: did we add foomatic-cleanupdrivers to k-d-s? | 05:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so if I understand correctly, keybuk removed it by mistake ? | 05:30 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: seems to be the case, lets poke him in a few hours if it hasn't gone back in | 05:32 |
| Riddell | https://launchpad.net/bugs/42965 suggests foomatic should be fixed, but lets leave foomatic-cleanupdrivers in k-d-s anyway for now | 05:32 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42965 in foomatic-db-engine "Can't add a printer in KDE: parser error?" [High,Fix released] | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, I'll reupdate kubuntu-desktop | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | hum, interesting, so can remove the foomatic stuff from kds then...... | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | in the future I mean :) | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: let's keep it for edgy, as it doesn't have any consequences, and we'll try to remove it for edgy+1 and see if we get bugs during the dev cycle | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | that sounds reasonnable | 05:34 |
| Riddell | yes | 05:34 |
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| goldenear | Tonio_: also about feedback, I'm happy to see that acpi/hibernate is now working (except the wifi has to be ifdown and up to be working after resume) :) | 05:41 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: knetworkmanager is the key for this ;) | 05:41 |
| goldenear | The big problem is that suspend doesn't work properly: the screen stay blank when the computer wakes up :( | 05:41 |
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| Tonio_ | ah... | 05:42 |
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| goldenear | <Tonio_> goldenear: knetworkmanager is the key for this ;) <- I don't agree, under windows wifi is working after resume... this is a bug! | 05:42 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: yes, true, but knetworkmanager is a good workarround waiting for the acpi support to improve :) | 05:43 |
| goldenear | I like the automatic mp3 codec install from amarok also... this will avoid many questions on the irc and in the forums :D | 05:43 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: we now have the same for flash in konqueror too :) | 05:44 |
| goldenear | yes I also see this... but it's still the same old flash pluggin with the sound delay issue :( | 05:45 |
| goldenear | I hope gnash will be ready soon :) | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: yes, we haven't been able to develop flash9 on our own :) | 05:45 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: I've nerver setup my wireless network using knetworkmanager :) | 05:45 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: the good news is that the structure of that konq plugin allow to make it compatible with any external lib | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: that will be used too with flash9 when it's out | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: well if you like to connect with the shell :) that's your problem ^^ | 05:47 |
| goldenear | you mean in 2010 ? ;) | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: first months of 2007 | 05:47 |
| Tonio_ | that's not that far :) | 05:47 |
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| freeflying | Tonio_: knetworkmanager always tell me that I have not any wireless devices :) | 05:47 |
| goldenear | sure .... they already promise flash 8 for last year :) | 05:48 |
| goldenear | wait and see... | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: yeah that can happen with certain drivers that are uncompatible | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: that can be resolved in wpasupplicant configuration | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: simply start the good driver and that should be okay | 05:48 |
| goldenear | knetworkmanager is not very user friendly for wifi configuration (no way to list available network and no way to use wpa) | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | knetworkmanager by default uses wext | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: hu ???????? | 05:49 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: good driver? | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: that kwifimanager, not knetworkmanager :) | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: look at wpa_supplicant man page | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying: it starts with a 'driver' parameter | 05:50 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: i see, thanks | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | by default knm uses wext, which is generic, but you can change this | 05:50 |
| goldenear | kwifimanager ??? is that installed by default ? | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: no, by default we have wireless-assistant, which is nice, but no wpa | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: then you can install knetworkmanager, which does everything, as long as your wifi driver is 'wext compatible' | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | most are, except madwifi for example, but that's on the way to be resolved | 05:51 |
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| goldenear | wireless-assistant had never worked for me... it detects network around, but always report it can't connect (even if it actualy do it). | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | I think ndiswrapper is now compatible with wext for example | 05:52 |
| goldenear | I almost alway use the command line to set up my wifi :) | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: btw it is now unmaintained.... only knetworkmanager really works | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | except aseigo, I don't know any person using kfiwimanager too :) | 05:53 |
| goldenear | kwifimanager you mean ? | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | goldenear: no, only knetworkmanager really works | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | kwifimanager sucks, and same for wireless-assistant | 05:54 |
| gnomefreak | what is the dialog run by when you install mp3 support for amarok? | 05:54 |
| goldenear | I used kwlan is dapper | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: depending the desktop used | 05:54 |
| goldenear | is worked pretty well and has wpa support | 05:54 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: it loops | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: I scripted to use gtk under gnome, kde under kde and xterm for the rest | 05:55 |
| gnomefreak | but the bug is under amarok i was gonna change it but i cant think of it | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: there was an issue, but that is supposed to work now no ? | 05:55 |
| gnomefreak | bug 63783 | 05:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63783 in amarok "Insists on installing mp3 codec" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63783 | 05:55 |
| mhb | does someone work on Kubuntu package installer? (like gdebi) | 05:55 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: it keeps going as of yesterday | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: lemme check | 05:55 |
| gnomefreak | mhb: i dont think there is one for kubuntu yet | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: hum.... using kde ? | 05:56 |
| gnomefreak | im not he might be i was using gnome at the time | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: there is one, in the form of a service menu | 05:56 |
| jdong_ | mhb: use gtk-qt engine and then mv gdebi kdebi? :D | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | right click on a deb file and you'll see | 05:56 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: the service menu is nothing more than dpkg -i in an xterm | 05:57 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: that's limited but it works | 05:57 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: true that | 05:57 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: that's not a very compelling replacement to gdebi :) | 05:57 |
| jdong_ | which actually does effective dependency resolution | 05:57 |
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| gnomefreak | i think we should have one | 05:57 |
| Tonio_ | well that can be scripted.... | 05:57 |
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| gnomefreak | jdong_: too many gtk libs i think for some users to do that | 05:58 |
| Riddell | mhb: it's blocked on pykde supporting an embedded konsole, which will happen in the next release with luck | 05:58 |
| jdong_ | gnomefreak: pfft.... most people won't have a problem with that | 05:58 |
| jdong_ | gnomefreak: I think it pulls in like 10MB->55MB of packages altogehter | 05:58 |
| jdong_ | from fresh kubuntu | 05:59 |
| jdong_ | and if people install firefox, gdebi hitches almost for free | 05:59 |
| gnomefreak | jdong_: doesn gnome-base get inclueded? | 05:59 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 05:59 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: concerning the loop, I'll try to have a look at that toonight...... | 05:59 |
| jdong_ | Depends: python (>= 2.4), python (<< 3), python-gtk2 (>= 2.6.3-2), python-glade2 (>= 2.6.3-2), python-apt (>= 0.6.16.2), python-vte (>= 1:0.11.15-4), gksu (>= 1.3.6-1), gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.14.0-1) | 05:59 |
| gnomefreak | looking at the depends for it most are python | 05:59 |
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| gnomefreak | ty Tonio_ | 06:00 |
| jdong_ | Depends: hicolor-icon-theme, librsvg2-common | 06:00 |
| jdong_ | that's it | 06:00 |
| jdong_ | other than gtk2, it doesn't ask for anything else | 06:00 |
| jdong_ | and many kubuntu users will have gtk2 needed by their other favorite apps anyway | 06:00 |
| gnomefreak | true | 06:00 |
| jdong_ | unless you're a kde purist :) | 06:00 |
| gnomefreak | sadist maybe ;) | 06:00 |
| Riddell | kubuntu is indeed kde pure | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: which apps ? ^^ | 06:01 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: gdebi | 06:01 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: firefox is probably the biggest one | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: no ! I was talking about gtk apps kubuntu users should use :) | 06:01 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: konq is an awesome browser | 06:01 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 06:01 |
| jdong_ | but it isn't always a replacement for firefox | 06:01 |
| gnomefreak | FF | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: my real battle is to convince people that firefox sucks :) | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | that's my first battle | 06:01 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: you're gonna have a tough time with that | 06:01 |
| jdong_ | I'm pulling up konq to digg.com, the icons are distorted | 06:02 |
| jdong_ | and ther'es overlapping text | 06:02 |
| gnomefreak | it has its good points and bad points but i think its the most widely used | 06:02 |
| jdong_ | I pull it up to gmail and get sent back to static html world | 06:02 |
| jdong_ | those two alone are enough to make lots of users run back to firefox | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: those are IE6 users arguments | 06:02 |
| jdong_ | anti-flame disclaimer: I use konq in kde for most of my kde browsing | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | "I use IE6 because all websites work" | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 06:03 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: still... I could care less about the standards when I need to pay my bills and the site doesn't like it | 06:03 |
| jdong_ | :) | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | the point is I consider firefox doesn't do what it has been designed to | 06:03 |
| jdong_ | I'm not saying firefox is elegant | 06:03 |
| jdong_ | it really isn't | 06:03 |
| jdong_ | but a lot of the times linux has few other alternatives | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | firebird has been annouced to be a fast/simple reimplementation of mozilla | 06:04 |
| jdong_ | even opera is not up-to-par with the whole websites working ordeal | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | the result is something that is even slower and much more complicated | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | that's a bad result | 06:04 |
| jdong_ | I agree... | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | opera and konqueror have generally the same "bugs" | 06:04 |
| jdong_ | yes, because of their strict standards compliance | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | the reason is simple, they are the closests to the standards | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | exactly | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | I prefer to avoid a stupid website than browsing with a diplodocus that takes 30 seconds to start, like firefox | 06:05 |
| jdong_ | I've got a few sites that are unavoidable | 06:05 |
| jdong_ | for academic purposes and for banking | 06:06 |
| jdong_ | and pulling up firefox is less evil than pulling up IE6/WINE | 06:06 |
| jdong_ | :-) | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: I generally send an email describing the ugly code, and most of the time, except for big websites, the webmaster is pleased to correct it a bit | 06:06 |
| jdong_ | (ahem, big sites, proprietary homework submitting solutions) | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: but yes, I use firefox (shame on me) on very rare circumstances | 06:07 |
| jdong_ | where webmasters ignore me for the simplest requests | 06:07 |
| jdong_ | (allowing +'s in e-mail addresses) | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | the french train company for example -> website uncompatible with opera or konq | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | I don't have another choice than using firesox | 06:07 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: you got a CD handy to help me reproduce yet another kubuntu-media bug? | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: so cd there, sorry.... what is the issue ? | 06:08 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: when you insert a cd, you get the kde deamon dialog, right? | 06:08 |
| marseillai_ | <jdong_> I pull it up to gmail and get sent back to static html world ----------->> you must change konqueror identity for this page | 06:08 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: yes | 06:08 |
| jdong_ | marseillai_: faking identity still ends up with quirky ajax. buttons don't work... I've lost e-mails to that | 06:09 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: select do nothing or X it out | 06:09 |
| jdong_ | (use case: I'm inserting a DVD to acidrip it. no mounting is needed) | 06:09 |
| Tonio_ | okay, and then what happens ? | 06:09 |
| marseillai_ | jdong_: for me it works fine. i use it all days and it's exactly the same interface with konqueror and firefox | 06:09 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: now, kubuntu has no idea about the cd, and you never get the chance to mount it again | 06:09 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: to make matters worse, press the eject button on the cd drive.. | 06:10 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: and kioslaves pops up with an ugly error that it doesn't know about /dev/scd0 | 06:10 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: interesting.......; let me test | 06:10 |
| jdong_ | and if you used acidrip or other block-device-accessing programs, you now have a locked cd tray | 06:10 |
| === Tonio_ goes taking a cd | ||
| jdong_ | so you're down to a terminal issuing eject commands :) | 06:10 |
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| Goldenear_ | Tonio_: about the wifi not working after hibernate, shouldn't this simply be fixed but ifdown any working network interface before hibernate/suspend and ifup them after resume ? | 06:11 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: the no-second-chance-to-mount-if-you-don't-take-your-first gotcha also applies to USB sticks | 06:11 |
| jdong_ | but the CD/DVD one is extra annoying | 06:11 |
| jdong_ | yesterday when I was acidripping 12 dvd's, it got so annoying to the point that I had to go to GNOME to finish my work | 06:12 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: works here | 06:12 |
| Lure | Riddell: ping | 06:12 |
| Tonio_ | I can discard, eject, and I'm prompted again | 06:12 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: if you cancel the mount dialog, you can still mount? | 06:12 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: yes | 06:13 |
| Riddell | hi Lure | 06:13 |
| jdong_ | Tonio_: without ejecting it? | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | I can manually eject and mount it | 06:13 |
| jdong_ | well, you have to eject it | 06:13 |
| jdong_ | but /media does not recognize the cd as a cd | 06:13 |
| marseillai_ | i agree with jdong! when you unmount a CD or an usb disk he disappear from desktop or kicker applet and you must use command line to mount it. | 06:13 |
| jdong_ | if you cancel and don't eject | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | jdong_: true too, you simply go to /media using system menu | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | double click and it mounts | 06:13 |
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| jdong_ | Tonio_: brb, let me check if a recent kde update changed the situation | 06:13 |
| marseillai_ | Tonio_: why we can't show unmount device on desktop since edgy ? | 06:14 |
| marseillai_ | now only mount device are shown | 06:14 |
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| gnomefreak | Tonio_: your gonna hurt me :( | 06:14 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: why ? | 06:15 |
| gnomefreak | amarok has no splash screen for me anymore | 06:15 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: simply go in /media using konq | 06:15 |
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| Tonio_ | you can mount and eject from there | 06:15 |
| jdong | ok, back | 06:15 |
| jdong | test 1: inserting cd.... | 06:15 |
| jdong | canceled mount dialog | 06:15 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: I didn't touch this :) | 06:15 |
| jdong | no desktop icon.... | 06:15 |
| jdong | going to media... | 06:15 |
| jdong | ok, nvm, cdrom is fixed | 06:15 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: default amarok has been changed, that's all :) | 06:15 |
| jdong | mount is availabe from right click | 06:15 |
| gnomefreak | oh ok | 06:15 |
| jdong | Tonio_: though clicking the drive (opening the link) opens a blank folder | 06:16 |
| DaSkreech | my friend gets mediamanager not started when he types media:/ | 06:16 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: yes, that's a known issue, _Sime will fix it | 06:16 |
| jdong | Tonio_: ok | 06:16 |
| jdong | let me play with usb sticks then | 06:16 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: but that's the only known issue on that point | 06:16 |
| Lure | Riddell: what is you plan with shortcuts for suspend/hhibernate/battery (that sebas mentioned in mail)? | 06:16 |
| gnomefreak | ah nevermind i didnt know there was a setting :( | 06:16 |
| jdong | Tonio_: with the cd unmounted, open a terminal | 06:17 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: the issue was probably that you had cdrom0 hidden, and you used the symlink cdrom | 06:17 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: I fixed kds on that point | 06:17 |
| jdong | Tonio_: run dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/null | 06:17 |
| Riddell | Lure: pykde has a bug which means we use kglobalaccelarator in guidance power manager | 06:17 |
| jdong | Tonio_: to simulate ripping a cd or some other block device activity | 06:17 |
| Riddell | Lure: so best place to add them would be to your ksmserver patch | 06:17 |
| jdong | Tonio_: then press the eject button | 06:17 |
| Lure | Riddell: so ksmserver would just display the dialog? | 06:17 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: hum, yes, I can see this | 06:17 |
| jdong | Tonio_: kioslaves returns the cryptic unknown-device error | 06:17 |
| jdong | Tonio_: a "disk in use" is much more friendly than that :) | 06:18 |
| Lure | Riddell: I could also add battery key support in kmilo (call powermanager->showTip over dcop) | 06:18 |
| jdong | Tonio_: and if a program leaves the tray locked... it's even worse | 06:18 |
| jdong | Tonio_: dd don't keep the tray locked. Some cd ripping programs do. in that case, you're off to eject-land | 06:18 |
| Riddell | Lure: well it could directly just hiberate/suspend. | 06:18 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes, that would be cool | 06:18 |
| marseillai_ | Tonio_: before we had the possiblity to show or not the unmount device on desktop. why remove this possiblity? | 06:19 |
| jdong | marseillai_: imo that was a regression introduced by sime's patches | 06:19 |
| jdong | (which btw are wonderful in every other way!) | 06:19 |
| jdong | I love the streamlined /media | 06:19 |
| jdong | just there's still a few quirks | 06:19 |
| marseillai_ | jdong: i can understand to not show them by default | 06:19 |
| Lure | Riddell: problem is that I do not know what users would prefer - typically laptops have only one key (standby and sleep) and they might assigne different action | 06:19 |
| jdong | marseillai_: no, as in the option no longer functions correctly..... | 06:20 |
| Riddell | Lure: ah, tricky | 06:20 |
| jdong | marseillai_: due to the patches | 06:20 |
| marseillai_ | and imo kicker applet for removable device is largely better than desktop icons ...... | 06:20 |
| Riddell | Lure: well showing the dialogue is fine then. or we could see what gnome does | 06:20 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: I'm wondering if that not the same issue than the "blank page" when you go in using konq | 06:20 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: maybe it just doesn't mount while it is supposed to | 06:20 |
| jdong | Tonio_: it might be | 06:20 |
| Lure | Riddell: I will check gnome again, but I think they have gconf entry... | 06:20 |
| jdong | Tonio_: well, I don't always want to mount | 06:20 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: better discuss this with _Sime since he has all keys concerning this | 06:20 |
| jdong | ok, will try to catch him | 06:21 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: the point is that's different from the kde base | 06:21 |
| Tonio_ | he has patched this widely, so only him can understand what happens in fact | 06:21 |
| Riddell | Lure: the gnome solution to everything :) | 06:22 |
| jdong | Tonio_: if I plug in a usb stick and tell it to do nothing, I don't ever get the chance to mount it again | 06:22 |
| jdong | media is devoid of usb devices | 06:23 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: looking | 06:23 |
| jdong | Tonio_: and do nothing actually mounts the device (!) | 06:23 |
| jdong | Tonio_: while cancel does what I just complained about | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | do nothing should mount the device | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | that "normal" | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | it means "mounts and do no action after this" | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | that makes sense | 06:24 |
| jdong | Tonio_: maybe that should be stated then | 06:24 |
| jdong | Tonio_: I always thought do nothing means leave it unmounted | 06:24 |
| jdong | (with an unmounted usb stick icon, etc) | 06:25 |
| jdong | I'm liable to yank it out assuming it was unmounted | 06:25 |
| Tonio_ | hum, that probably just string issue in kde, should say "mount and don't perform anything else" | 06:25 |
| jdong | that's better | 06:26 |
| jdong | even Mount instead of "do nothing" | 06:26 |
| Tonio_ | true that :) feel free to report on kde bts :) | 06:26 |
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| jdong | Tonio_: you know how much I hate to touch that site :D | 06:27 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: that's why I'm telling you "free free to do it" ;) I won't lol | 06:27 |
| jdong | :D | 06:27 |
| Tonio_ | the messiest website I've ever seen....... | 06:27 |
| jdong | Tonio_: at least cancel should = do nothing in action | 06:27 |
| jdong | Tonio_: that's a _Sime issue, right? | 06:28 |
| jdong | wasn't a kdebase upload yesterday supposed to effect that? | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: yes it is | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | and yes, I agree with you | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | cancel should "do nothing" | 06:28 |
| jdong | yep | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is still there with the close button :) | 06:28 |
| jdong | ugh | 06:28 |
| jdong | why not just have do nothing DO NOTHING :) | 06:28 |
| jdong | currently 2 of 3 buttons think that's the case | 06:29 |
| jdong | and that's a majority vote of buttons :) | 06:29 |
| jdong | lol | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: hum, because I think the "mount/unmount" doesn't have to be let to the user | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | it is complicated and doesn't have any reason to exist | 06:29 |
| jdong | Tonio_: it should be exposed because it dictates whether or not it's safe to yank the device | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | do you "mount" on windows or osx ? the system deals with that on its own, and that's I think the goal of sime, making it automatic | 06:30 |
| jdong | until linux has another way around that issue, KDE should not cover up that aspect | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: I agree on that point | 06:30 |
| jdong | and OSX and Windows both have vfat drivers that are MUCH more resilient to yahnking corruption | 06:30 |
| jdong | that's an aspect we cannot compete with | 06:30 |
| jdong | as much as I hate to admit it | 06:30 |
| jdong | I've done plenty of linux yanking tests | 06:31 |
| jdong | both sync and async | 06:31 |
| jdong | linux corrupts the fat structures far more often than windows or OSX | 06:31 |
| Tonio_ | hum, that's true, yes | 06:31 |
| jdong | either way, I have no issue with automounting, like what gnome does | 06:32 |
| jdong | it does make the user's life easier | 06:33 |
| jdong | but don't give me the impression that you didn't ;-) | 06:33 |
| jdong | (s/Do Nothing/mount/ is probably our best solution) | 06:33 |
| jdong | even if upstream doesn't do it, we should | 06:33 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: too late to change the strings now | 06:33 |
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| Tonio_ | btw, we'll probably make a point with _Sime concerning the known bugs and resolved problem, and decide if we finally include his patches or not | 06:34 |
| jdong | k | 06:34 |
| Tonio_ | maybe if there are too many issues we can had them for edgy + 1 so that _Sime has more time to polish the work | 06:35 |
| jdong | to be perfectly honest, if I were reviewing kubuntu today, I would come down very harshly on the kubuntu media issues I've noted | 06:35 |
| jdong | both today and the other days | 06:35 |
| jdong | but fortunately I don't have that kind of free time :D | 06:35 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: take note on the issues, and be there when we debate this :) | 06:35 |
| jdong | Tonio_: that's why I'm trying to brainwash you to take my side for me :D | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: I'm taking notes, don't mind :) | 06:36 |
| Lure | Riddell: gpm by default does nothing, but there is gconf entry to be able to change it - not sure if some postinst updates it... | 06:36 |
| jdong | I'd love to have free time for kubuntu/ubuntu on my command, but sadly that's not the case | 06:36 |
| jdong | and murphy's law states that I'll be busy whenever an important debate like that happens | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: isn't there a meeting on thursday ? | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that was discussed last week | 06:37 |
| Lure | Riddell, Tonio_: I think we should really add gdb as dependancy to kubuntu-desktop | 06:38 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: true | 06:38 |
| Lure | is there any reason why this is not done (sorry - I could not attend last meeting where I have put this to agenda :-( ) | 06:39 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: I don't see any, but maybe Riddell has its reasons...... | 06:39 |
| Riddell | Lure: we don't have space on the CD for developers tools is the general reason. plus would we then need the -dbg packages? | 06:41 |
| Riddell | Lure: I presume that the gnome apport crash handler thing installs gdb for you, we should look at doing something similar in future | 06:41 |
| Lure | Riddell: there is now depo for dbg packages, but also w/o, stack dump is usable as binaries are not stipped | 06:42 |
| Lure | Riddell: problem is that we have a crash dialog on crash that when Stack trace is selected throws another error :-( | 06:42 |
| Lure | not very nice to user :-( | 06:43 |
| Riddell | any idea how much it adds to the CD? | 06:44 |
| Lure | Riddell: gdb package is 2.3-3.7MB (depends on platform) + not so many depends | 06:44 |
| Lure | Riddell: all depends are probably already in: libc6 libncurses5 libreadline5 | 06:44 |
| Lure | Riddell: yep, all dependancies are already in | 06:46 |
| Lure | http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/devel/gdb | 06:46 |
| Lure | Riddell: are CDs oversized/on the edge? | 06:46 |
| Riddell | Lure: they're getting close and digikam was just added | 06:46 |
| Riddell | amd64 already has no language-support-en | 06:47 |
| Lure | Riddell: I still think we can drop something else (openoffice ;-) | 06:47 |
| Lure | just kidding | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: talking about that, what is the priority ? provide the maximum softwares or provide windows applications.......; because that takes space too | 06:48 |
| Lure | Riddell: krita is maybe not too useful for general public though | 06:48 |
| Riddell | provide the maximum software isn't a priority, we just provide an operating system | 06:48 |
| Riddell | and winfoss kicks arse | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but if we miss space can we think about removing the windows stuff on the cd ? | 06:49 |
| Riddell | lots of people need graphics apps | 06:49 |
| Lure | Riddell: yes, but we should have usable desktop with photo mgmt and proper crash reporting ;-) | 06:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no, winfoss is great stuff | 06:49 |
| Lure | Riddell: we could drop konversation as all users of IRC have internet connection ;-) | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | yea winfoss is great but no lang-en isnt | 06:49 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: that's on amd64, which has no winfoss | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 06:50 |
| Lure | Riddell: true regarding winfoss, but if I am deciding on 3.7MB gdb for crash reports or 17 MB windows/scribus I know what I would choose | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | Lure, WHA!?! no konversation ?!? | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: especially when projects like the opencd already exist... | 06:51 |
| imbrandon | i think we need more install-mp3 type scripts | 06:51 |
| Lure | imbrandon: I would also like to keep it (as it needs promotion), but fact is that IRC is not used by all users and all IRC users have internet connection - and do not depend on shipit CD only | 06:51 |
| imbrandon | not all computer users have cameras either by that definaition | 06:52 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 06:52 |
| imbrandon | or music collections ... or .... we could name alot of things | 06:52 |
| Lure | imbrandon: true, but I would suspect digital photos are more likely than irc | 06:53 |
| Lure | imbrandon: but anyway, we need to find something that we all agree can be dropped | 06:53 |
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| Riddell | I wonder what seed gdb should be added to | 06:54 |
| raphink | gdb vs. exe debate? | 06:54 |
| imbrandon | i'm with keybuk tbh and say we make a dvd + alternate cd base install ;) but thats a whole nother conversation | 06:55 |
| Lure | Riddell: same as kde... | 06:55 |
| Lure | Riddell: desktop... | 06:55 |
| === raphink just wants to say that in Ichthux his choice was very fast too... the first things I removed were all the .exe and such | ||
| Tonio_ | raphink: hehe, yes, a bit :) | 06:55 |
| imbrandon | raphink, heh | 06:56 |
| raphink | I needed 60MB and I didn't need 10seconds to choose where to find them | 06:56 |
| imbrandon | ok i got to run for a while, bbiab | 06:56 |
| raphink | I'm not distributing an open-source OS to encourage people to use the apps on Windows | 06:56 |
| Lure | imbrandon: I would drop krita (maybe replace it with simple kpaint) as first choice - when we finally replace openoffice with koffice, we get it back | 06:56 |
| === raphink is also against porting KDE to Windows anyway, but well it's FLOSS so no way to prevent it | ||
| imbrandon | +1 on the office change | 06:56 |
| Lure | raphink: problem is that on amd64 there is no winfoss | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | well in my opinion winfoss is nice, but should remain "optional", in the way that "we had it if we have the space for" | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yeah, that's another problem indeed | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: let's switch to koffice !!!!!!!! | 06:57 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, why do we use oo.o over koffice ? | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | -> keep space and promote kde apps, 2 in 1 | 06:57 |
| insanekane | imbrandon: because it is better ? | 06:57 |
| imbrandon | insanekane, hahah ok | 06:57 |
| raphink | koffice powa :) | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | insanekane, that why its always the first thing to get uninstalled right ? | 06:58 |
| === raphink is for koffice, too | ||
| Tonio_ | insanekane: depends on the point of view.... for my needs, koffice is enough and BY FAR better integrated..... | 06:58 |
| insanekane | Tonio_: good for you | 06:58 |
| raphink | kubuntu is considered the most KDE-based distro in a way | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, exactly intergration and for the avg JOE it works great | 06:58 |
| raphink | we focus on KDE more than most distros | 06:58 |
| raphink | and I think koffice just fits with that choice | 06:58 |
| insanekane | theres good integration between OOo apps as well | 06:59 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: koffice is too buggy | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: true that, people that need more feature can install oo.o | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, exactly | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, that's really better with latest versions | 06:59 |
| raphink | programs get debugged when they're used in FLOSS | 06:59 |
| insanekane | Tonio_: being able to type text and render it on screen is a big feature of OOo | 06:59 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, it isnt any more buggy than oo.o , and crashes ALOT less | 06:59 |
| raphink | Riddell: weren't systemsettings and adept too buggy when we added them? | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the problem is communicating with msoffice | 06:59 |
| raphink | and yet they are far more important parts of the system than office | 07:00 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: switching will probably be possible when opendoc plugins for mso are available | 07:00 |
| imbrandon | raphink, +1 | 07:00 |
| raphink | we all know that systemseting is what it is today _because_ it was integrated | 07:00 |
| raphink | and the same for adept | 07:00 |
| raphink | I would like to give its chance to koffice today | 07:00 |
| raphink | it deservesit | 07:00 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's remove winfloss, replace oo.o, everything after beta, and let mdz have an heart attack :) | 07:00 |
| === imbrandon wispers "edgy" | ||
| Tonio_ | but seriously, all of this can be discussed for edgy+1 | 07:01 |
| === imbrandon wispers "edgy" one more time then slips out the door | ||
| imbrandon | yea i think we need to give koffice a serouis look for edgy+1 | 07:01 |
| raphink | when is koffice 2 to be released? | 07:01 |
| Riddell | after kde 4 | 07:01 |
| raphink | argh | 07:02 |
| Tonio_ | insanekane: talking about oo.o integration, did you notice the bug with fonts on oo.o menus on kde ? | 07:02 |
| Tonio_ | they look ugly | 07:02 |
| beligum | Hi all, I'm looking for someone who wants to take over the ScreenKast packaging... | 07:03 |
| Tonio_ | fuzzy, for a reason I can't explain | 07:03 |
| insanekane | Tonio_: those issues are of a very low priority | 07:03 |
| insanekane | Tonio_: most users in the world cannot use Koffice because of the lack of support for their language | 07:04 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ugly as hell | 07:04 |
| Tonio_ | insanekane: for me (since I focus on polishing), they are important :) | 07:04 |
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| Goldenear_ | I'm pretty sad to see that nothing has been done for firefox kde intergration in edgy :( | 07:04 |
| Goldenear_ | firefox still have the ugly gtk file dialog :( | 07:04 |
| Lure | Goldenear_: me to, but this is one more reason to reconsider konqueror | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | Goldenear_, mostly becouse firefox isnt stable enough even on gnome atm , it still crashing all the time | 07:05 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: true that, because the patch to get kde dialog is an evil hack | 07:05 |
| raphink | Lure: reconsider konqueror? | 07:05 |
| raphink | konqueror is great | 07:05 |
| Riddell | hi [niceday] | 07:05 |
| Goldenear_ | I mostly use konqueror... but many sited doesn't work in konq :( | 07:05 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: did you add the kubuntu meeting to fridge? | 07:05 |
| raphink | I can't do a tenth of what I do with konqueror with firefox | 07:05 |
| Goldenear_ | so firefox is a must | 07:05 |
| Tonio_ | beligum: that's on my plans but for "after edgy is out" | 07:05 |
| Lure | raphink: I have still some issues to use it at work, but it seems that I will have to fix these intranet apps ;-) | 07:06 |
| [niceday] | Riddell: hi. i'm just taking a tour through some channels (adding them to my list) | 07:06 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, pretty sure, lemme make sure , one sec | 07:06 |
| raphink | Goldenear_: so let's fix konqueror | 07:06 |
| raphink | or rather, adapt it | 07:06 |
| Goldenear_ | <Tonio_> Goldenear_: true that, because the patch to get kde dialog is an evil hack <-- is there a better solution ? (existing) | 07:06 |
| Lure | raphink: other reason is that I am used to firefox and some of extentions... | 07:06 |
| raphink | cause konqueror is about the only browser to really respect the standards | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: using firefox "because it display bad coded websites" is encouraging what made IE that popular....... | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: that's not a solution | 07:07 |
| raphink | yes Tonio_ | 07:07 |
| raphink | totally agreed | 07:07 |
| Goldenear_ | also I would like to see konqueror (or a kthml based broswer) for windows... | 07:07 |
| beligum | Tonio_: allright, thx. My time runs out to spend a lot of time on it | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | the more konqueror there are, the more websites will be corrected | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | same with opera | 07:07 |
| Goldenear_ | this way we could have a multiplateform browser ligther than firefox | 07:07 |
| Lure | Tonio_: exactly - this is why I plan to try to switch again | 07:07 |
| raphink | I am for adding a firefox spoofing id on konqueror, that says as commentary "I'm just pretending to use Firefox because your website is a mess" | 07:07 |
| raphink | so people will get it in their stat | 07:08 |
| raphink | ;) | 07:08 |
| Goldenear_ | <Tonio_> the more konqueror there are, the more websites will be corrected <- most problem I have are not from websites but from konq... eg ajax support | 07:08 |
| raphink | so we can watch these websites using the spoofing (works most of the time) while still lettting people know that they should care about standards | 07:08 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: ajax support issues are due to websites | 07:08 |
| raphink | Goldenear_: konqueror was one of the first browsers to have good ajax support | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: on vbulletin, which has good code, ajax works nicelly, even with konqueror | 07:09 |
| raphink | actually the first one to pass the ajax test properly iirc | 07:09 |
| raphink | just because people talk SMS all the time, we aren't going to adapt our doc and make itt horrible | 07:09 |
| raphink | and all the same for code imo | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, ugh i did but i forgot to tick the "published" box, its published now | 07:10 |
| raphink | we aren't going to lower our standards because people don't mind about theirs | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | sorry | 07:10 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: what do we want ? a kde based operating system or a kde based with gnome apps, like suse or mandriva ? | 07:10 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: no need to do something that already exists | 07:10 |
| raphink | Tonio_: I've made my choice :) | 07:10 |
| Goldenear_ | I have a more pragmatic approch to the problem... many websites are not konqueror compatible... I need to use them now and I don't thing their webmasters are ready to fix them... | 07:10 |
| raphink | the whole point about KDE is integration | 07:10 |
| Tonio_ | that's the reason I think we should on using kde apps only | 07:10 |
| Goldenear_ | so the only solution is at the moment to use firefox... | 07:11 |
| raphink | no Goldenear_ I do not agree | 07:11 |
| Goldenear_ | (And I don't even talk about ie only compatible sites) | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: and if firefox fails on certain websites ? (that happens) | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | and if mozilla decided to respect the standards, then there would be no issues | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | since the websites would be made compatible | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | if firefox continues to go out of the standards, like IE is, I would shit on it the same way I shit on IE | 07:12 |
| Goldenear_ | I didn't find a site not working with firefox since a pretty long time... | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: why ? | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | because the websites have been made compatible with it | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | because it is widely used | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | so there are 2 solutions : | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | - people are using konqueror and the same thing happens | 07:13 |
| raphink | yep | 07:13 |
| raphink | it's because more and more people use FF | 07:13 |
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| raphink | that websites are compatible | 07:13 |
| raphink | and it's because more and more people use open document | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | - mozilla is making a good gecko that respects the standards, and that'll correct the issues for ALL BROWSERS in the world | 07:13 |
| raphink | that the next version of MS Office will understand it | 07:13 |
| raphink | not the other way round | 07:13 |
| Goldenear_ | 95% of people are using Windows... Konqueror doesn't work on windows... | 07:13 |
| Riddell | Goldenear_: yet... | 07:14 |
| raphink | Goldenear_: yet | 07:14 |
| Goldenear_ | that's the point :D | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: yet | 07:14 |
| raphink | konqueror is being ported on windows | 07:14 |
| Riddell | ** for the brave deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main | 07:14 |
| raphink | hehe | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: using firefox on kde is a temporary solution, but the consequences will be a dirty web at the end | 07:14 |
| Goldenear_ | But I want to use the sites now !!! | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | and konqueror will have even more compatibility issues | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, whoo hoo , upgrading now | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: how did the first firefox users do ? they were boycotting the crappy websites | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: that's the only way to get a clean web | 07:15 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: note I havn't tested them yet myself | 07:15 |
| raphink | haha | 07:15 |
| imbrandon | hehe ok | 07:15 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: your point is the same than people saying "I'll use linux when drivers are available" | 07:16 |
| raphink | yes | 07:16 |
| Tonio_ | reasonnable opinion, but if everyone says this, we will NEVER get the drivers :) | 07:16 |
| raphink | open-source exists because people have made the choice to loose technical options to gain freedom | 07:17 |
| Tonio_ | the first people creating the change have to accept compromise for the future | 07:17 |
| raphink | if you choose technical stuff over freedom | 07:17 |
| raphink | you'll lose your freedom | 07:17 |
| raphink | and you'll never get more | 07:17 |
| Goldenear_ | Tonio_: let me ask you a question: Why companies such as SNCF, Grosbill, or Le mistere des finances would make their website konqueror compatible ? | 07:17 |
| mhb | it seems today is discussion day here :o) | 07:17 |
| raphink | Goldenear_: companies need money | 07:17 |
| raphink | konqueror is a great navigator | 07:17 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: because it is used by the masse | 07:17 |
| raphink | even safari is based on KHTML | 07:17 |
| mhb | Riddell: I'll set up a virtual Edgy machine and test the packages, after all, I'm in Kubuntu Testers now :o) | 07:18 |
| raphink | if konqueror begins to be used by many | 07:18 |
| raphink | they will have to adapt | 07:18 |
| Riddell | mhb: ah hah, yes :) | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: when grosbill doesn't sell anymore because all konqueror users are going to another website, they'll change it | 07:18 |
| Goldenear_ | of core konq is great... that's why I mostly use it ! | 07:18 |
| Goldenear_ | But I can't reserve a train ticket of pay my taxes with it ! | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: you know what I'm doing ? | 07:18 |
| Tonio_ | I'm sending an email to the webmaster saying the code sucks, and I'm phoning to get the bill | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | when the guy will receive 500 mails a week, maybe the code would get cleaned a bit | 07:19 |
| Goldenear_ | <Tonio_> Goldenear_: when grosbill doesn't sell anymore because all konqueror users are going to another website, they'll change it <-- all konqueror users ? you mean 0,1 % of their customers ? ;) | 07:19 |
| Goldenear_ | please, be more realistic | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | that's what happened with firefox at the begening | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | actually, the issue for me is with mozilla | 07:20 |
| Goldenear_ | but firefox is working on linux ... | 07:20 |
| Goldenear_ | AND WINDOWS !!!! | 07:20 |
| Tonio_ | if mozilla decides to go back to the standards, then the websites will not have another choice than beeing standard compatible | 07:20 |
| Goldenear_ | the OS used by 95% of people! | 07:20 |
| Goldenear_ | that makes the difference | 07:20 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: you've package kxmame it's so great but it doesn't depend on xmame ....... | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: and konqueror soon will | 07:21 |
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| Tonio_ | marseillai: bah.......; it does no ? | 07:21 |
| Goldenear_ | Tonio_: you mean konqueror will be a native Windows app ? | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: yes | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | as koffice, and as all kde | 07:21 |
| raphink | yes | 07:21 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: j'ai install kxmame, il me demande aucune dpendance, se lance et me dis ; t'as pas xmame! | 07:21 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: je regarde | 07:22 |
| raphink | Goldenear_: qt4 is ported on windows, nativelly | 07:22 |
| Goldenear_ | but konqueror is kde dependent | 07:22 |
| marseillai | not all kde will be port mais a big part of it will | 07:22 |
| raphink | Goldenear_: how so? | 07:22 |
| Goldenear_ | many people won't use it under windows if they also need to install kde | 07:22 |
| raphink | Goldenear_: many GNOME users use konqueror only | 07:22 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), kdelibs-dev, cdbs, docbook2x, libxine-dev, xmame-common | 07:23 |
| marseillai | Goldenear_: every kde library wich not depend too much on unix system will be port. | 07:23 |
| Tonio_ | tricky it is not added as a dep...... marseillai I'm changing this | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | Goldenear_, not really have a look at this http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/kde4-osx.png | 07:23 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: jdis pas le contraire hein. jdis juste que ca ne marche pas | 07:23 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: I'm fixing this | 07:23 |
| marseillai | oki | 07:24 |
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| Goldenear_ | imbrandon: but konqueror won't run on OSX with (at least some part of) kde installed on it :/ | 07:25 |
| imbrandon | kdelibs, big deal, vb6 apps wont run on windows without vb6 libs either , and point ? | 07:25 |
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| Goldenear_ | I think there should 3 broswers sharing the same basis (mostly khtml): Konqueror on Linux, Safari on os X and a new one on Windows... | 07:26 |
| raphink | Safari is more or less a port of Konqueror Goldenear_ | 07:27 |
| Goldenear_ | This is the only way I see to have a real alternative to ie and ff | 07:27 |
| Lure | Riddell: installing kde355 now... | 07:27 |
| raphink | although they have dirty patches in it ;) | 07:27 |
| Goldenear_ | <raphink> Safari is more or less a port of Konqueror Goldenear_ <-- I know that, but the SNCF website is working on Safari ;) | 07:27 |
| Tonio_ | Goldenear_: because osx users are using safari, there is a chance that websites get compatible in the future | 07:28 |
| Tonio_ | that's the point | 07:28 |
| Riddell | there's a lot of differences between KHTML and safari | 07:28 |
| raphink | lots of patches | 07:28 |
| raphink | that won't get in KDE | 07:28 |
| Tonio_ | konqueror, compared to one year ago, as fair less compatibility issues | 07:28 |
| Riddell | hopefully kde 4 will use the port of safari webkit to qt | 07:28 |
| Goldenear_ | indeed.... and a sync between the two would be nice :) | 07:28 |
| mhb | is there a grub configuration tool for KDE? | 07:29 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, is there ppc packages there ? | 07:30 |
| imbrandon | ( for 355 ) | 07:30 |
| mhb | I'd like that in Kubuntu because I edit menu.lst almost every time I install K. | 07:30 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: no | 07:30 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok, no wonder i was having issues | 07:31 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:31 |
| Riddell | mhb: I'd like one too, but nobody has stepped up to do one. I dont think it would be very hard to make a guidance tool for it | 07:31 |
| === abattoir is tempted to raise his hand :P | ||
| Riddell | abattoir: you're already doing smart! | 07:32 |
| === mhb too | ||
| Riddell | mhb: do it! | 07:32 |
| abattoir | Riddell: well, i could do this too, edgy+1 target? | 07:32 |
| Goldenear_ | <Riddell> hopefully kde 4 will use the port of safari webkit to qt <-- so the only missing thing will be a win32 webkit base browser :) | 07:32 |
| abattoir | or maybe mhb and me could work on it together ;) | 07:32 |
| Tonio_ | rahhhhhhhhhhhh ! /usr/include/linux/joystick.h:131: error: '__s64' does not name a type | 07:32 |
| Tonio_ | the error is back......... | 07:32 |
| Riddell | abattoir: sure, just be careful not to work on too much stuff at once | 07:33 |
| abattoir | Riddell: ok, ok :P | 07:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it never went away | 07:33 |
| Riddell | Goldenear_: konqueror on win32 :) | 07:33 |
| mhb | I think edgy+1 target is possible | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: since kxmame compiled one day, I can tell you it had went away :) | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ftbfs now, but working a moment ago | 07:34 |
| mhb | abattoir: how's smart doing, btw? | 07:34 |
| abattoir | mhb: i'm working on a Qt UI for it | 07:35 |
| goldenear | Riddell: I mean a browser not needing kde :) | 07:35 |
| Lure | Riddell: no errors with upgrade to kde355, now rebooting to see the difference... ;-) | 07:38 |
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| Hawkwind | Is 3.5.5 for Edgy or Dapper ? | 07:43 |
| abattoir | Hawkwind: edgy | 07:44 |
| Hawkwind | Nice | 07:44 |
| Hawkwind | abattoir: Wait! You're sleep typing :P | 07:44 |
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| abattoir | :P | 07:44 |
| Riddell | Lure! | 07:44 |
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| Riddell | Lure: and? anarchy? world peace? | 07:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: session manager started my apps in wrong desktops, and it looks like I cannot move them between desktops (drag&drop) | 07:45 |
| Riddell | uh oh | 07:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: even switching desktop does not work from panel ;-( | 07:46 |
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| Riddell | so kwin go foobar | 07:46 |
| Lure | Riddell: will try new profile (my is old from hoary times with some customization | 07:46 |
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| Lure | Riddell: it switches desktops if I click the app in taskbar, just the Desktop Pager seems to be broken | 07:47 |
| Riddell | so control-F2 is broken? | 07:49 |
| Lure | Riddell: kdesu also does not work - "Conversation with su failed." | 07:49 |
| Lure | wau! | 07:49 |
| Lure | my desktop is shadded | 07:49 |
| Riddell | "to check: sudo, printing, kicker height, scroll wheel, kwallet, desktop changing" | 07:49 |
| Lure | like if I would select logout, just without the logout dialog... ;-) | 07:50 |
| Lure | Riddell: big todo... :-( | 07:50 |
| Lure | Riddell: it is really funny - whole screen is shadded (I can barely read), just my mouse cursor is shinny white ;-) | 07:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: actually it is a bit lighter than logout shade - just tried it... | 07:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: maybe it is caused by Start New Session I used couple of seconds before... | 07:52 |
| Lure | it looks like I will use Dapper tommorow at work ;-) | 07:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: "kdesu (kdelibs): ERROR: su has exited while waiting for pwd." on console when running kdesu | 07:53 |
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| === Lure is back to edgy shine ;-) | ||
| Riddell | so hmm, a few bugs then I guess | 07:56 |
| nixternal | woohoo, my display config is back!! thank you! ;) | 07:57 |
| nixternal | Riddell: about the gwenview translation stuff, is there a doc i can read to show me how to create the .pot file the correct way? an easy way maybe? I am new to creating package translations | 07:58 |
| Riddell | nixternal: there is a gwenview-i18n tar that needs to be packaged | 07:59 |
| nixternal | roger that | 08:00 |
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| nixternal | got it | 08:01 |
| Lure | Riddell: kontact/kmail/karm/akregator looks ok | 08:03 |
| nixternal | ok..how do i go about packaging it? do i add it to the gwenview package, or is it seperate? | 08:03 |
| Riddell | Lure: they havn't been packaged yet | 08:03 |
| Lure | Riddell: will have to run now, but will keep you posted if I notice something else | 08:03 |
| Riddell | Lure: thanks | 08:04 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, this is the reason they work ;-) | 08:04 |
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| Hawkwind | Is webmin not available for Kubuntu anywhere ? | 08:47 |
| jdong | webmin is mysteriously MIA for a while now | 08:50 |
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| marseillai | _Sime: tonio told me that you are the "master" for device gestion in kubuntu. So i ask you if it is possible to select if we want to see or not unmount device on desktop or in "support de stockage" kicker applet ? | 09:02 |
| _Sime | marseillai: Showing Unmounted is no longer supported for the simple reason that the user doesn't need to know about details like mounting/unmounting. It should work automatically. | 09:04 |
| marseillai | _Sime: yes of course | 09:04 |
| jdong | _Sime: then please change the string "Do Nothing" to something more accurate.... | 09:04 |
| _Sime | that's the idea | 09:04 |
| _Sime | jdong: like what? | 09:04 |
| jdong | Do Nothing gives me the impression it's safe to yank out the drive | 09:04 |
| jdong | _Sime: well, you don't want to use mount.... hmm.... | 09:04 |
| jdong | Tonio_ and I were talking about this earlier | 09:05 |
| jdong | at that time, I liked the term Mount | 09:05 |
| jdong | even "Don't open in new window" is better | 09:05 |
| _Sime | I know. That problem with the Close button is fixed btw. | 09:05 |
| jdong | thx for that bugfix | 09:05 |
| marseillai | but i can understand the fact that you disable it by default! but you should leave the option for those who want see it! for example when my usb hard drive crash i now need to mount it manually or in /media. and worse than it now i need to use command line to mount nfs instead of simply doing mount on kicker applet with dapper .... | 09:06 |
| jdong | _Sime: is there some way to show an icon for unmounted usb sticks? | 09:06 |
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| jdong | _Sime: sometimes I'd unmount but realize I still need to do something | 09:06 |
| jdong | _Sime: or in the case of my 3 partition USB HD, I can't yank out all 3 without linux panicking (root on USB) | 09:07 |
| _Sime | marseillai: kicker applet for unmounted NFS, _should_ be the same as before. | 09:07 |
| marseillai | it isn't _Sime | 09:07 |
| marseillai | and it isn't for usb key too .... | 09:07 |
| marseillai | and option to show unmount device have disappear | 09:07 |
| _Sime | jdong: short answer no. How do you "accidently" unmount it? | 09:09 |
| _Sime | marseillai: usb keys are either inserted and ready, or removed//ready to be removed. That is model that we are trying to achieve. | 09:10 |
| jdong | _Sime: I unmount it with the intent to remove it, but later decided not to remove it, but continue using it | 09:10 |
| _Sime | marseillai: if you want to remount you usb key, remove it and insert it. That seems simple and logical. | 09:10 |
| jdong | _Sime: my usb slots are hard to reach | 09:10 |
| jdong | and I'd rather not go for re-inserting | 09:10 |
| jdong | and for my external, I prefer to keep the fat32 partitions unmounted except when needed | 09:11 |
| jdong | I've lost a lot of data before due to linux's flaky vfat | 09:11 |
| _Sime | external what exactly? | 09:11 |
| jdong | usb hd | 09:11 |
| jdong | it has 3 partitions | 09:11 |
| jdong | 1 ntfs, 1 fat32 , 1 linux root | 09:11 |
| jdong | I boot off of it for linux on one of my systems | 09:11 |
| _Sime | jdong: but if you say "Safely remove" in KDE, can you then actually safely remove you USB drive? | 09:12 |
| jdong | _Sime: not technically. I can safely remove that partition if I can perform surgery on 7200rpm platters :) | 09:12 |
| _Sime | jdong: I mean the whole drive? | 09:13 |
| jdong | no, linux is mounted on that drive | 09:13 |
| jdong | if I remove it, linux will crash | 09:13 |
| jdong | kubuntu/hal/ubuntu treats partitions 1 and 2 as usb removable devices, 3 as a linux system device | 09:14 |
| _Sime | jdong: you've kind of a got an extreme case there. :-/ | 09:15 |
| jdong | I know I do | 09:16 |
| mhb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ is a bit incomplete for Kubuntu | 09:16 |
| _Sime | jdong: I'm not sure how that can be beter handled..... a toughie. | 09:16 |
| jdong | but it's one use case that at least somewhere there needs to be the mount/unmount notion..... | 09:16 |
| jdong | maybe in the panel applet or something | 09:16 |
| jdong | or keep the unmounted device icons around | 09:16 |
| _Sime | I'll have to have a good think about that one. I'm afraid that it doesn't really fit the model very well. Maybe I can find some sort of compromise / middleground. | 09:18 |
| _Sime | jdong: have you got any easier bugs? 8-) | 09:20 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: how do you workarround the joystick.h error in kdebase ? | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can't seem to find a solution for the kxmame package | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you should theorically get the same issue in kcontrol, unless there is a fix in the code..... | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: I have an easier one :) | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: blank folder when browsing a cd in konq :) | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: still waiting :) | 09:28 |
| tvo | Tonio_: maybe s/__s64/long long/ as a fix? (assuming the devs want signed 64 bit integer) | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | and yes, jdong has very complicated issues, I agree :) | 09:28 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: cd = audio cd or CDROM? | 09:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I just don't compile it | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah........ hehe :) | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | tvo: that's an idea, I'll investigate. | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: heh, that's not possible in my case, but I'll search ;) | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: audiocd | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: when I insert an audio cd and wanna browse it with konq, I just get an empty folder, when audiocd:/ protocol works | 09:30 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: browsing in the FS with konq? | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: yes, browsing /media/cdrom0 | 09:31 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: step by step, explain? | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: I just insert an audio cd, then get the screen to choose action, and I choose "open with konqueror" | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | that opens /media/cdrom0, but the folder is empty | 09:31 |
| _Sime | ok, gotcha | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | same if I browse with the system applet, of course :) | 09:31 |
| Tonio_ | tvo, Riddell: found a topic with a kde dev suggesting to build without -ansi | 09:33 |
| Tonio_ | seems to work, but I need to test the app deeply | 09:33 |
| tvo | ah probably __s64 is some sort of gcc extension then | 09:35 |
| Tonio_ | tvo: probably.... | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't we ping benC concerning this issue ? | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | hum, yes building without -ansi works perfectly...... I'm just wondering the potential consequences..... | 09:37 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: ok, I've just those things up on the wiki (=TODO list). | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: you already had that bug no ? | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: I already reported to you a few weeks ago | 09:38 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: yes, but I forget things a lot. | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: hehe :) | 09:38 |
| _Sime | it's not that funny actually :-| | 09:41 |
| _Sime | just kidding. :) I do forget a lot though... out of sight, out of mind with me | 09:41 |
| jdong | Tonio_ / _Sime: hehe, funny :) | 09:42 |
| jdong | I'll think of some easier bugs for you | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 09:43 |
| _Sime | has anyone had any luck with pluging in digital cameras on dapper? | 09:44 |
| _Sime | I tried yesterday with a couple and it just did not work properly. | 09:45 |
| Hawkwind | _Sime: I plug mine in all the time. However, I don't use KDE so it doesn't automount which is how I like it actually | 09:45 |
| jdong | _Sime: is it a libgphoto camera or USB mass storage camera? | 09:46 |
| jdong | that makes a big difference | 09:46 |
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| jdong | dapper's libgphoto is a bit antiquated.... | 09:46 |
| jdong | I've wanted to backport, but didn't dare to :) | 09:46 |
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| marseillai | <_Sime> marseillai: usb keys are either inserted and ready, or removed//ready to be removed. That is model that we are trying to achieve. ------->> yes but some computer don't have front usb port so it can be hard to unplug/plug usb devices. and more than that i don't see the problem that can be cause by enable the possibility to show that if it's not the default setting ? | 09:49 |
| marseillai | sorry for the delay | 09:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I did submit a bug | 09:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: he says it's KDE's fault (and KDE says it's linux's fault) | 09:57 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: well everyone on the web says it is kernel-header issue | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: could be interesting to build kde without -ansi, since it helps building correctly.... I just wonder the consequences of this..... | 10:00 |
| _Sime | jdong: libgphoto I think. I has working the past using KDE's camera:/ | 10:02 |
| jdong | my camera was quite buggy with dapper's libgphoto | 10:02 |
| jdong | svn builds helped :D | 10:02 |
| _Sime | jdong: is libgphoto updated in edgy? | 10:03 |
| jdong | _Sime: considerably, yes | 10:04 |
| jdong | I've not used my camera's usb cable in a while though | 10:04 |
| jdong | (sd card reader now works in edgy. yay) | 10:05 |
| marseillai | _Sime: i'm wondering. is it due to your patch on kio media:/ that several option has disappear from this configuration windows : ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/kicker1.png for "support de stockage" kicker applets ? | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: I was wondering concerning the "icons to show on the desktop", did you touch this to only give the possibility to check "mounted devices" ? | 10:22 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: half of the icons have dissapered | 10:22 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: yes, and I would have removed the string "mounted" from the titles if the freeze wasn't no. | 10:23 |
| _Sime | s/no/on/ | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: see this : http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture13.png | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: that can cause a few issues concerning usability | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | imagin I create an nfs mount point | 10:25 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: Then I want to see it unmounted, so that I can double click on it and it mounts automatically | 10:25 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: how to do this if I can't display this ? | 10:25 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: shouldn't we configure this in kde, but let the possibility for the user to display it if he wants ? | 10:26 |
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| _Sime | Tonio_: you should be able to mount it in /media using a right-mouse menu. But yeah, I need to have a closer look at that w.r.t. nfs and paritions. | 10:26 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: I personnally don't use this, I browse nfs with kios | 10:26 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: I might have removed too much.. | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: how to mount it in /media ? | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | I don't see the point | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | another solution is to use nfs:/ ioslave | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: note that I agree to remove "unmounted floppy, cdrom dvd" etc...... | 10:30 |
| Tonio_ | I just think that partitions and network shares should appear :) | 10:30 |
| _Sime | right click on the mount point in /media. | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: if you create a NFS mountpoint on kde desktop, via right click, create new, blabla, will it appear in /media ? | 10:33 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: don't know, I don't think I've ever done that. :) | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: hehe, that's why :) | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | those don't appear in /media :) | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: that's why we should remove those options in kdesktop config concerning NFS and partitions | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: another option is to remove the possibility to create a NFS peripherical | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: kio smb doesn the trick | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | kio nfs, sorry | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | _Sime: I must say that if I had to vote, I would vote to remote the possibility to create this too.... | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | that's even more simple | 10:50 |
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| goldenear | I can't install the kde 4 package in edgy... some packages are reported to be corrupted (wrong size)... | 11:51 |
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| goldenear | kde4libs-data_3.80.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb and kdepim libs are reported to have wrong size by apt-get install :( | 11:54 |
| goldenear | Riddell: do you manage the deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.1/ . repository ? | 11:54 |
| Ingmar^ | was there any recent change to the xv extension that would cause me to have dropped frames in all video players I installed (vlc, kaffeine & mplayer ) ?? | 12:02 |
| Ingmar^ | or am I facing a config issue | 12:02 |
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