[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like I can't connect sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net
[12:19] <Tonio_> Permission denied (publickey).
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I used id "tonio" as it is supposed to be this one, am I missing something ?
[12:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you uploaded your public ssh key to launchpad?
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah, I think so yes....
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I couldn't dput to ubuntu without this......
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: We'll see this tomorrow :)
[12:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's gpg
[12:27] <Riddell> they're different
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah... here is the problem then... will do that and finish to read the wiki
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: good ight
[12:28] <Tonio_> +n
[12:28] <ryanakca_> Tonio_: yes, it depends on unrar-nonfree
[12:29] <Tonio_> ryanakca_: I changed this to unrar-free and suggested only unrar-nonfree
[12:29] <Tonio_> ryanakca_: we don't that to go in multiverse right ?
[12:29] <ryanakca_> ok, well, as long as it has some form of 'unrar'...
[12:31] <gnomefreak> is anyone running edgy with nvidia-glx (one in repos) working in the -10-generic kernel?
[01:10] <ryanakca_> mhb: hey, what's the feedback about that kubuntu testers group?
[01:11] <Hawkwind> ryanakca_: It's already been formed and has an LP page
[01:11] <ryanakca_> good
[02:04] <Lathiat> Riddell: pong
[02:15] <jjesse> hmm anyone alive here?
[02:15] <jjesse> :)
[02:17] <bddebian> "I'm getting better.."
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Hey Hobbsee
[05:13] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[05:13] <DaSkreech> What's up?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Hung up the Stick yet?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> i've discovered that my uni exam timetable is pretty horrible
[05:58] <imbrandon> ...
[06:26] <DaSkreech> eh?
[06:27] <Tm_T> hmm
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[06:30] <nixternal> *** qt_plugins_3.3rc (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ?    
[06:30] <nixternal> go with the default i take it? 
[06:30] <nixternal> thats the first i can remember seeing that during and upgrade
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Yes Ignore No Oops Default ZapSystem?
[06:33] <nixternal> who knows, i went with the default though
[06:34] <nixternal> this is twice in a week we had tornadoes and junk again
[06:34] <nixternal> it is almost fall here and we are getting the worst storms of the year
[06:34] <Tm_T> nixternal: I'm waiting snow
[06:35] <nixternal> ooh i can't wait for snow
[06:35] <Tm_T> =)
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Informer!
[06:35] <nixternal> i need to get the snowboard out of the shed and get ready for the powder
[06:35] <Tm_T> I hope we get more snow than just ~50 cm this year
[06:36] <imbrandon> hum 
[06:36] <imbrandon> heya nixternal 
[06:36] <nixternal> wasabi homey
[06:36] <imbrandon> nadda
[06:36] <nixternal> power comes back on and i faced with updates ;)
[06:37] <nixternal> man, hear comes some more thunder
[06:37] <imbrandon> hoked up my mouse and junk to the lappy to make my "stay" a little better ;)
[06:37] <nixternal> hehe
[06:37] <imbrandon> did some mythtv junk
[06:37] <imbrandon> hrm whatelse
[06:37] <imbrandon> oh a acidrip fix for jdong
[06:37] <imbrandon> heh
[06:37] <imbrandon> in other words bored
[06:38] <zphou> hi all
[06:38] <imbrandon> heya zphou 
[06:38] <imbrandon> zphou, why the new nick ?
[06:38] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:38] <zphou> imbrandon: this morning  :)
[06:38] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:39] <zphou> imbrandon: too many nick like mine, so I changed  :)
[06:39] <imbrandon> ahh yea
[06:40] <zphou> imbrandon: have u tried beryl on your ppc?
[06:40] <imbrandon> zphou, not yet, i was thinking about it
[06:41] <imbrandon> but i dont have aiglx setup atm
[06:41] <zphou> imbrandon: I've built them, do you need them 
[06:41] <imbrandon> debs ?
[06:41] <zphou> I can not use tookhem on my poor ib
[06:41] <zphou> imbrandon: ya
[06:41] <nixternal> heh, didn't know that was freeflying in disguise
[06:42] <imbrandon> nixternal, i reconised it becouse oh his real name is close to the nice
[06:42] <imbrandon> nick*
[06:42] <imbrandon> zphou, sure
[06:42] <nixternal> brb, reboot..but you won't notice since i rock bip! ;)
[06:42] <zphou> nixternal: :)
[06:43] <zphou> imbrandon: upload to your server?
[06:44] <imbrandon> zphou, yea thats fine
[06:46] <zphou> imbrandon: but the passwd and accound are on the desktop in my office, and now I'm on my vacation  :)
[06:47] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:48] <nixternal> better
[06:48] <imbrandon> zphou, i dont know your password heh, but anywhere is fine
[06:48] <imbrandon> how big are they ?
[06:49] <zphou> imbrandon: not too big  :)
[06:49] <imbrandon> heh you can email them then
[06:49] <imbrandon> imbrandon@k.o
[06:52] <zphou> imbrandon: i upload to http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/beryl-deb/
[06:52] <zphou> imbrandon: just a moment
[06:52] <imbrandon> kk
[06:55] <zphou> imbrandon: done
[06:59] <imbrandon> nice , ok i'll grab it here in a bit
[07:03] <imbrandon> tonio ping
[07:03] <imbrandon> err no tonio
[07:03] <imbrandon> ;(
[07:07] <nixternal> don't mess with the wiki at all, it is garbage and will cause you to loose all of your work
[07:07] <nixternal> like the UWN issue 16 went from almost done to gone
[07:08] <Hobbsee> heya
[07:08] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[07:08] <zphou> Hobbsee: hey
[07:08] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Hey Hobbsee :)
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Your Uni is forcing you to get up in the morning?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:11] <Hobbsee> if i want to be at class, yes.
[07:11] <nixternal> i hate hplip
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Pfft class is overrated
[07:11] <Hobbsee> yeah, well...
[07:20] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:23] <zphou> Hobbsee: universe freeze now?
[07:24] <Hobbsee> zphou: yep
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Good night all
[07:40] <Hobbsee> night DaSkreech 
[07:40] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[07:40] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[08:18] <zphou> raphink: hi 
[08:18] <zphou> imbrandon: how about beryl on your ppc? :)
[08:33] <raphink> hi zphou
[08:49] <nixternal> bug 61331
[08:49] <Ubug2> Malone bug 61331 in xorg "[edgy]  extremely bold ttf fonts in kubuntu (edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61331
[08:49] <nixternal> huh?
[09:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: by installing msttcorefonts, i expect
[09:04] <nixternal> nope
[09:04] <nixternal> Tahoma isn't in there
[09:05] <nixternal> i made that a "needs more info bud" ;p)
[09:05] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:54] <Tonio__> hi
[09:54] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio__ :)
[10:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:56] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ping
[10:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hi ! 
[10:56] <imbrandon> Tonio_, sorry i dident get your query last night in time, but no i havent heard from canonical yet
[10:56] <imbrandon> i was kinda wondering what was up myself
[10:57] <imbrandon> have you ? i guess not or you wouldent be asking me hehe
[11:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: oups, okay I have your response :)
[11:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_, maybe today ? dunno
[11:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I don't know
[11:04] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i dont even know whom to ask about it
[11:05] <imbrandon> lol
[11:05] <imbrandon> i would imagine they just got busy though
[11:05] <Tonio_> yeah
[11:05] <Tonio_> imbrandon: pv
[11:06] <seaLne> has anyone seen this:
[11:06] <seaLne> apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: invalid ELF header
[11:07] <imbrandon> wow , nope
[11:07] <imbrandon> seaLne, ^
[11:08] <seaLne> this is on a machine that hadn't been updated for about a week, dist-upgrade failed and now that
[11:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey :)
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: yesterday you told me to :
[11:55] <Tonio_> 1/ update the seeds -> done
[11:55] <Tonio_> 2/ update kubuntu-meta -> doesn't work
[11:56] <Tonio_> 3/ contact elite person to promote the packages to main
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't I invert 2/ and 3/ ? ;)
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like I need the packages in main to update the metapackage
[11:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: mm, yes
[11:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'm preparing the mail for the elite guys
[11:58] <Riddell> just ping on irc is the usual way
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay, will do then
[12:09] <imbrandon> moins Riddell 
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: keybuk will do that today, and then I'll update kubuntu-meta
[12:12] <Riddell> groovy
[12:13] <Tonio_> it makes sense how the seeds are managed now... I spent half of the night looking at this
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho and you were right concerning my ssh keys :)
[12:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: putting sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/ into konqueror is interesting
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I've done that and checked the structure...
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't understand everything of course, but it globally makes sense
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll improve mimetypes integration concerning video formats today
[12:23] <Tonio_> kaffeine misses a few of them
[12:23] <Tonio_> the point is do I patch kaffeine.desktop, or should I do that in kds..... I'm unsure at the moment
[12:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: if the new mimetypes are useful to anything but kaffeine they should go into kdelibs
[12:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: talk to danimo, he said something about new mimetypes recently
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: no it is only kaffeine
[12:24] <Tonio_> there are a few video formats that kaffeine recognizes but that aren't associated to kaffeine currently
[12:25] <Tonio_> I'll probably patch kaffeine.Desktop
[12:25] <Riddell> then kaffeine is the package to patch
[12:25] <Tonio_> kmplayer has them but not kaffeine, which is a nonsense since they use the same engine :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, will do that way then
[12:25] <Riddell> right
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho and I saw your comment on kmplayer, sorry for the "s/ship/shit" hehe :)
[12:27] <Tonio_> it was late :)
[12:27] <Riddell> t and p are quite far apart on my keyboard :)
[12:27] <imbrandon> heh
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: on mine too, that's the problem hehe :)
[12:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: see bugs 62554
[12:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62554 in kmplayer "0.9.2a -> 0.9.3 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62554
[12:28] <imbrandon> Tonio_, well if kmplayer and kaffeine both use them would it not be better to put in kdelibs for both ? just asking as i dont deal with those packages much at all
[12:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon: kdelibs has the mimetypes, but I need to change kaffeine to be associated to them, here is the point
[12:29] <imbrandon> ahhh ok
[12:33] <imbrandon> Tonio_, hahaha @ the bug boo boo
[12:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: as I said, it was *very* late ;)
[12:34] <imbrandon> hehe yea ;)
[12:35] <Tonio_> but yes, I've been 0wn3d, as young people would way :)
[12:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:35] <imbrandon> Riddell, p0wnd j00
[12:35] <imbrandon> lol
[12:36] <Tonio_> s/way/say
[12:36] <Tonio_> rahhhhhhhhhh
[12:36] <Tonio_> those keys are closed this time :)
[12:36] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:38] <Tonio_> hum, I read yesterday that kde 3.5.6 might use beryl or an improved kwin with effects....
[12:38] <Tonio_> that's cool news, since it would be a pain to wait for kde4 to do the same than metacity already has
[12:40] <imbrandon> cool
[12:41] <Riddell> beryl?
[12:41] <imbrandon> Tonio_, zphou made some ( ppc only ) beryl packages i was looking into trying sometime today
[12:41] <imbrandon> Riddell, compiz fork
[12:41] <Riddell> sounds gtkish
[12:42] <imbrandon> but beryl works with kde better afaik
[12:42] <imbrandon> than plain compiz
[12:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: beryl is a fork of compiz, to remove gconf deps etc.......
[12:42] <imbrandon> but i dont have alot of experince with eithert other than just playing with them
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: beryl should be independant from gtk stuff, that's why certain kde guys suggest to consider this waiting for a new kwin
[12:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I wanted to test, but there are no beryl + aiglx packages for edgy at the moment
[12:44] <Tonio_> imbrandon: only xgl, and I don't want xgl on my laptop :)
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: in case you're interested : http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu
[12:45] <imbrandon> Tonio_, no aiglx ?
[12:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: nope
[12:45] <imbrandon> ahh yea the aiglx page is empty
[12:45] <Tonio_> works for dapper but no packages for edgy......
[12:46] <imbrandon> shouldent be hard to adapt then
[12:46] <imbrandon> i wouldent imagine
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about that do you actually know why aiglx isn't in ubuntu ? I though it was one of the main goals of edgy......
[12:46] <imbrandon> Tonio_, it is afaik
[12:47] <imbrandon> Tonio_, xorg 7.1 has aiglx by default afaik
[12:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: then why do we have to install another X from compiz repos to use it ?
[12:47] <imbrandon> ummm we dont compiz and everything is in edgy
[12:48] <imbrandon> ajmitch did alot of work in that area not long ago with quin
[12:48] <Riddell> beryl is just a themable compiz without the gconf dependency
[12:48] <imbrandon> Riddell, basicly
[12:50] <imbrandon> Tonio_, http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/beryl-deb/   you might ask zphou for the /debian
[12:50] <imbrandon> if you wanna build for non-ppc
[12:50] <imbrandon> ( those are for edgy )
[12:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: because most people can't use it with free drivers
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, because of nvidia, once again.......;
[12:52] <imbrandon> yea nvidia free driver dosent work with it ;(
[12:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon: it should change in the near future
[12:53] <ajmitch> imbrandon: hm?
[12:53] <imbrandon> ajmitch, talking about third party repos shouldent be needed for compiz in edgy
[12:53] <imbrandon> ( not beryl )
[12:54] <Tonio_> hum works pretty well :)
[12:54] <ajmitch> imbrandon: oh right
[12:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I just installed beryl from the dapper repo, and it works like a charm :)
[12:54] <ajmitch> people will still use them
[12:55] <imbrandon> yea something about new crack but since quins broke my install i'm leary about repos i dont trust ;)
[12:55] <Tonio_> well the issue is still that we really miss kwin then.... I'll still wait I think :)
[12:56] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yea with kwin it will be nicer for kde but it will be a while i'm thinking
[12:56] <imbrandon> kde 3.5.6 or kde 4
[12:56] <Tonio_> I read 3.5.6
[12:58] <imbrandon> Tonio_, rember the link?
[12:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon: it was a french kde developper on a french forum :)
[12:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon: don't think that would help you a lot :)
[12:59] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[12:59] <imbrandon> i was thinking it was on a ML or dot
[01:01] <Riddell> I think I'd remember if I'd published a story like that on the dot :)
[01:02] <imbrandon> heheh true
[01:02] <imbrandon> Riddell, you run dot ?
[01:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:02] <Riddell> yes
[01:02] <imbrandon> oh wow , i dident know that
[01:05] <Tonio_> hum, even yakuake works :)
[01:06] <Tonio_> I'm impressed ;)
[01:06] <imbrandon> you just used the dapper debs ?
[01:06] <imbrandon> no rebuild ? cool
[01:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm removing your kubuntu_54_mouse_scroll_speed.diff from kde 3.5.5
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we have 3.5.5 now?
[01:31] <Riddell> I do
[01:31] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so you're in need of testers, i take it?
[01:31] <imbrandon> Riddell, is it tagged yet ? or early stuff
[01:31] <Riddell> I assume it's tagged since there are tars
[01:31] <imbrandon> 2.5.5 going in edgy ? 
[01:31] <imbrandon> err s/2/3
[01:32] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not yet, I've only compiled arts
[01:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh okay
[01:32] <Riddell> imbrandon: I've no idea
[01:32] <Hobbsee> may as well.  saves us supporting 2 versions.
[01:32] <imbrandon> Riddell, cool , man i wish i had my fast box to help 
[01:32] <imbrandon> grr
[01:33] <ajmitch> imbrandon: trying to build the world?
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there any reason you removed it ?
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I though the patch had gone to the svn no ?
[01:35] <imbrandon> heh ajmitch nah just to fix *.shn files in amarok
[01:35] <imbrandon> ajmitch, but yea lots of things depend on xine-lib soooo
[01:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: it doesn't apply, there's been a change to that file but I'm not sure if it's the same as your patch
[01:35] <ajmitch> imbrandon: you could use my box if you could stand the lack of bandwidth
[01:36] <imbrandon> ajmitch, that would be rockin
[01:36] <ajmitch> imbrandon: what do you need?
[01:37] <ajmitch> I found that only 1 of the 2 power supply fans has stopped
[01:37] <imbrandon> just pbuilder really
[01:37] <imbrandon> ahh nice
[01:37] <imbrandon> well kinda nice
[01:37] <ajmitch> heh
[01:37] <imbrandon> better than none
[01:37] <ajmitch> so it still has some airflow
[01:38] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:38] <ajmitch> plus there are a bunch of other fans in the case which I haven't hooked up but still can
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: remove the patch, I'll have a look later.... but toma confirmed me that the patch had been merged in svn
[01:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, so that'll be why it doesn't apply :)
[01:52] <sebas> Riddell: What's the status of the meeting minutes?
[01:53] <sebas> nevermind, I see they're published.
[01:53] <sebas> Thanks!
[01:56] <jita> how much time it takes to boot the system completely?
[01:57] <Riddell> sebas: planning any sort of publicity for it?
[01:57] <Riddell> jita: that depends on 50 different things
[01:58] <jita> its takes too much time on my machine amd athlon 2.0 with 512MB ram
[01:58] <jita> around 1 min 20 secs
[01:59] <jita> is it normal?
[02:01] <imbrandon> jita, yea a minute and a half is about right
[02:02] <jita> and whats the proper way of disabling the services i dont need from the boot?
[02:08] <imbrandon> jita, more approperate for a support channel but afaik you can install "bum" ( boot up manager ) and do it from there
[02:08] <imbrandon> or just do it the "debian" way of thinking and uninstall what you dont need
[02:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, kubuntu_75_kicker_taskbar_resize.diff also doesn't apply
[02:10] <Riddell> in kdebase
[02:15] <imbrandon> was that the one to make it 48px by default? with 3.5.5 we could probably reengerre that OR set it in k-d-s
[02:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i twould have been
[02:17] <jita> how do i disable some partitions frm auto mounting from boot?
[02:18] <imbrandon> edit /etc/fstab and add the option "noauto" , again more suited to a support channel like #kubuntu
[02:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:21] <jita> could anyone please look at this bug? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mesa-utils/+bug/63461
[02:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63461 in mesa-utils "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:38] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:38] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[02:38] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[02:53] <mhb> hello everyone
[02:53] <imbrandon> moins mhb 
[02:54] <imbrandon> Riddell, how are simes patches holding up in 3.5.5 ?
[03:03] <Riddell> imbrandon: fine, just one indentatio change needed
[03:03] <Riddell> indentation
[03:05] <imbrandon> sweet
[03:24] <gnomefreak> is there a testing repo for 3.5.5 yet?
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu_75_kicker_taskbar_resize.diff is not from me
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: you added it to close kde bug 128552
[03:28] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 128552 in taskbarapplet "REGRESSION: "Length" has no effect if External TaskBar is at the side of the screen" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128552
[03:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, oops :)
[03:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, guess that's been fixed upstream then
[03:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably yes
[03:33] <Riddell> that'll be digikam in main then
[03:33] <imbrandon> yup
[03:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I'm just waiting for the information to refresh on the repos and I'll upgrade kubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for letting me do, that helps to learn ;)
[03:38] <gnomefreak> btw is there anyway to stop kubuntu usplash from overwriting the settings? and kubuntu adds a grub splash also but doesnt work.
[03:39] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: as long as your theme isn't called "kubuntu", settings aren't overwritten
[03:40] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: i use the ubuntu usplash and any update to kubuntu usplash changes it to kubuntu usplash
[03:40] <Tonio_> ah oups........ usplash :)
[03:40] <gnomefreak> its overwriting update-alternatives
[03:40] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: yes, we did that to force changing the settings since there was an error
[03:41] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: that should be removed from kde before edgy is out
[03:41] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[03:41] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: but we need to keep it for the moment
[03:41] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, well not atm they arent really designed to be installed side by side , but i'll work on a way to make that not happen as i was the one that added it in
[03:41] <gnomefreak> thats fine i just wasnt sure if you were aware of it
[03:41] <Riddell> aware of what?
[03:41] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: in fact we renamed the usplash so we have to for the removal and reinstalling of the old one
[03:41] <gnomefreak> usplash being overwriten
[03:41] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that's what we had to force in kds
[03:42] <imbrandon> when you have all the usplashes installed , kubuntu is defaulted ever time k-d-s is updated ( that last bit of --set i added is doing it ) but i need to find another solution
[03:42] <imbrandon> Riddell, ^^
[03:42] <Tonio_> the problem is that since we renamed since dapper, I wonder what is the impact for people migrating from dapper to edgy without the force........
[03:42] <Tonio_> maybe we will have to let it, I'm unsure
[03:43] <imbrandon> Tonio_, exactly , i'll figure it out before today is over, i was just looking at that infact
[03:43] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: no rush
[03:43] <gnomefreak> i just wasnt sure if it was meant to do that
[03:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the problem is that certain people have a "manual" alternative for an unknown reason
[03:43] <Tonio_> imbrandon: if it is not "auto" for everyone, we don't have another choice than forcing the deletion and reinstallation
[03:43] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yea , its a race 
[03:43] <Tonio_> which sets it by default
[03:44] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: so here is the problem......
[03:44] <imbrandon> Tonio_, right right, yea thats why i made it that way, but i wasent thinking of if people have two -desktops installed
[03:44] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: if we remove that, it'll work for 90% of the users, but potentially about 10% will have the issue
[03:44] <Riddell> gnomefreak: what's this about a grub splash?
[03:44] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i have another solution i think ;) slow up buddy hehe
[03:45] <imbrandon> Riddell, usplash 
[03:45] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can you explain please ?
[03:45] <gnomefreak> Riddell: kubuntu install sets up a grub theme but before grub comes up it says it cant be found  
[03:45] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: are we really installig this ?
[03:45] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: never seen that
[03:45] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: maybe
[03:45] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: i install a buch of things with kubuntu
[03:45] <imbrandon> Tonio_, where the packages use the rank in updatealternative instead of -set
[03:46] <Riddell> gnomefreak: we have kubuntu-grub-splashimages but that certainly shouldn't be installed by default
[03:46] <Tonio_> kubuntu-grub-splashimages - grub splashimages for Kubuntu
[03:46] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: but i think even installing the grub-themes package but still should let the person config it
[03:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah it isn't... but maybe it doesn't work with grub updates, since raphink didn't maintain it recently afaik
[03:47] <imbrandon> we have splash images for grub? i though those were turned off intentionaly becouse it broke on most video cards
[03:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yes, but there is a package, raphink did it
[03:47] <Tonio_> imbrandon: we don't ship it by default, of course
[03:48] <imbrandon> Tonio_,  as far as the usplash thing, i have it fixed localy i think testing after bit and i'll upload it tonight or in the morning
[03:48] <raphink> Tonio_: my package doesn't work?
[03:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: well if you find a better way to fix the alternative even when set to manual, would be nice :)
[03:48] <imbrandon> basicly using the update-alternatives in the usplash to determine not the -set
[03:48] <Tonio_> raphink: don't know, but gnomefreak reports it doesn't
[03:48] <gnomefreak> i know i installed the kubuntu-grub-splash package now. but since its not pointing to right place (maybe due to dualbooting) it tells me to hit a key to continue than grub comes up. i dont think its that bad personally cause i can easily stop it but im thinking newusers may not know how to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:49] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, new users also wont install that package ;)
[03:49] <imbrandon> but good point
[03:49] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: alot of people look to change the grub screen
[03:50] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: nope, a lot of geeks do :)
[03:50] <gnomefreak> ok us too ;)
[03:50] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: and geeks generally now how to edit menu.lst
[03:50] <Tonio_> as you and me in fact
[03:50] <imbrandon> that and its as easy as adding a splash.xpm.gz to /boot/grub/
[03:50] <Tonio_> my sister will never install kubuntu-grub-splash
[03:50] <imbrandon> no "package" needed ;)
[03:51] <imbrandon> well that + update-grub
[03:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:51] <Tonio_> the point is I wouldn't let a package touching to menu.lst
[03:51] <Tonio_> first because it is hard to make it automatic, since the file depends on the machine config
[03:52] <Tonio_> and secondly, because if we miss an upgrade, that is way to dangerous :)
[03:52] <imbrandon> Tonio_, packages dont have to , grub looks for a specific image name e.g. splash.xpm.gz unless its specified in the config
[03:53] <gnomefreak> # Splashimage line added by kubuntu-grub-splashimages package
[03:53] <gnomefreak> splashimage=(hd0
[03:53] <gnomefreak> (hd1,-1)/boot/grub/splashimages/KUBUNTU_splashscreen_blue_neon_logo_03.xpm.gz
[03:53] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah but that's a pain to manage too, since if we have packages providing this, we have to maintain the conflicts btween all of them
[03:53] <gnomefreak> that is default in grub
[03:53] <imbrandon> so cp myimage.xpm.gz to /boot/grub/ && update-grub works
[03:53] <gnomefreak> whent he package is installed
[03:53] <imbrandon> Tonio_, thats what the alternatives system is for ;)
[03:53] <Tonio_> but I agree that's another possibility
[03:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I don't say it is not fesable ;)
[03:54] <imbrandon> may not be "easy" but its right
[03:54] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:54] <Tonio_> just that it is long to do
[03:54] <imbrandon> yea
[03:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon: we can think about it for edgy +1
[03:54] <imbrandon> true 
[03:54] <Tonio_> too late for edgy and mdz would kill us if we even think to touch to something relative to grub ;)
[03:55] <Tonio_> and honnestly, I don't want to loose my upload rights ^_^
[03:55] <imbrandon> ok , i'm gonna go grab some food, gnomefreak / Tonio_ i'll try to get the usplash stuff figured out tonight 100% but for now you have to use kubuntus gnomefreak ;)
[03:55] <Tonio_> imbrandon: very cool :) have a good meal
[03:56] <imbrandon> Tonio_, agreed
[03:56] <imbrandon> ( on the grub )
[03:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can "don't use gnome, that sucks" be an alternative solution to the bug ? ;)
[03:56] <imbrandon> hahaha
[03:56] <imbrandon> i wish
[03:56] <Tonio_> hehe ^^
[03:56] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: kidding of course :)
[03:57] <imbrandon> Riddell, did we ever talk kwwii into putting a color behind the usplash ? imho i'm with you and thing it would rock
[03:58] <imbrandon> s/thing/think
[03:58] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: thats fine ;)
[03:59] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, tbh it was a hack to the postinst i added that causes that to make upgrades from dapper to edgy work smooth, but i have a better solution now i'll try tonight
[03:59] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: ok
[03:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah I did, he suggested one..... we should give a try
[03:59] <imbrandon> becosue when i was doing it i dident think about gnome uspalshers with both desktops installed
[04:00] <imbrandon> Tonio_, ohh he made one ?
[04:00] <imbrandon> nice
[04:00] <imbrandon> ok welp i'm off to some food, bbiab
[04:00] <Tonio_> imbrandon: no but he suggested a color :) we should give a try
[04:00] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[04:00] <Tonio_> we should re-ask him
[04:00] <imbrandon> right, hopefully he will pop in today
[04:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hopefully :)
[04:02] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just received this : Invitation to UDS Mountain View
[04:02] <Tonio_> ;)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice!  congrats!
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Congrats!
[04:05] <Tonio_> hehe thanks :)
[04:06] <zphou> imbrandon: how about the beryl on your ppc?
[04:11] <imbrandon> Tonio_, whoohoo , me too "Subject: 	Invitation to UDS Mountain View"
[04:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:11] <imbrandon> zphou, i havent installed it yet, i have it downloaded
[04:11] <imbrandon> but not installed yet, have a few more things to get finished, moving my /var and /home to a new partition and stuff
[04:11] <imbrandon> but i will before today is done
[04:11] <zphou> :)
[04:13] <zphou> imbrandon: cool, you got invitation to UDS :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: congratulations
[04:19] <Hobbsee> oh good, i didnt get an email
[04:19] <imbrandon> hehe thanks
[04:21] <DaSkreech> It's open to the public?
[04:22] <DaSkreech> Oh Wow it's @ google :)
[04:22] <DaSkreech> Grab me a copy of Goobuntu :)
[04:22] <marseillai_> Riddell: shouldn't you add a blank repository for edgy in amarok-latest and koffice-latest before the release? it will perhaps avoid problems ....
[04:23] <Riddell> problems?
[04:23] <zphou> DaSkreech: giibuntu?
[04:23] <DaSkreech> gilbuntu is more like it
[04:25] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: for people upgrading?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> from dapper?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> hmm
[04:25] <marseillai_> Riddell: people who change every "dapper" by "edgy" in there sources.list and have errors when upgrading
[04:25] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: yes
[04:26] <Riddell> I see, I suppose I could do that
[04:28] <imbrandon> marseillai_, well if there is nothing in the repo ( e.g. blank Packages.gz ) then apt will complain just as much afaik
[04:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: shouldn't do
[04:29] <marseillai_> are you sure that an empty repos is not better than a non existing repo imbrandon ? 'im not sure ....
[04:29] <imbrandon> ahh ok i was thinking it would maybe its just if one arch is missing but the Releases says its there
[04:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'm removing kubuntu_13_downgrade_kwallet.diff too since it doesn't apply, we can re-do the patch if we still have kwallet problems
[04:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[04:30] <freeflying> Riddell: do you think we really needd kwallet?
[04:30] <Riddell> freeflying: of course
[04:30] <Riddell> I can't live without it, all those passwords
[04:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can think about replacing it eventually ;)
[04:31] <Tonio_> kde-pwmanager is a kwallet emulator, and is by far more complete
[04:31] <marseillai_> pwmanager ?
[04:31] <DaSkreech> And Riddell is we :)
[04:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: more complete in what way?
[04:31] <freeflying> Riddell: but all passwd stored in it are plain text
[04:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can use it as password generator too
[04:31] <Riddell> freeflying: they are not, they're strongly encrypted
[04:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: and its UI to store and read the pawsswords is more "clear" to me
[04:32] <freeflying> Riddell: anyone can read the passwd from it
[04:33] <Riddell> freeflying: it's definately encrypted, ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl
[04:33] <Tonio_> freeflying: yeah there is no security issue with it
[04:33] <freeflying> Riddell: but when you happen left your desktop, then anyone can read your passwds using kwallet
[04:34] <Tonio_> freeflying: and can do many more.......
[04:34] <Tonio_> freeflying: first security is the user....
[04:34] <freeflying> :)
[04:34] <marseillai_> freeflying: right click and lock session
[04:34] <marseillai_> ;)
[04:35] <freeflying> marseillai_: I see :)
[04:35] <Riddell> freeflying: only if you have given kwallet manager permission to read the wallet always 
[04:36] <imbrandon> freeflying, you shouldent walk away from the computer without locking the screen anyhow
[04:36] <imbrandon> heh
[04:36] <freeflying> heh, seems I'd give up  :)
[04:37] <Riddell> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopArtwork/WallpapersEtch  interesting bunch, I'd go for 1 or 2
[04:37] <Riddell> fabo: is there going to be a common default wallpaper between gnome and kde in etch?
[04:38] <imbrandon> yea i like #1
[04:39] <Tonio_> hum, yes, #1 is cool
[04:45] <fabo> Riddell: we'll try but etch is too close ... so i don't think it will be the same
[04:49] <gnomefreak> i like 6
[05:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu-desktop uploaded
[05:11] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping
[05:11] <Riddell> hi imbrandon 
[05:11] <imbrandon> hey , i'm i reading this wrong or is there a messup in the dates
[05:11] <imbrandon> for UDS
[05:11] <imbrandon>  Dates - Please arrange to arrive by the evening of Saturday 4th 
[05:11] <imbrandon> November.  The event will start at 09.00 on Monday 5th November
[05:11] <imbrandon> 5th is Sunday
[05:11] <Riddell> Sunday 5th to Friday 10th November 2006
[05:12] <Riddell> says https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDeveloperSummitMountainView
[05:12] <imbrandon> ok so she just mistyped and said monday
[05:12] <imbrandon> just makin sure
[05:12] <Riddell> curious day to start on sunday, not surprised she got confused
[05:12] <imbrandon> yea
[05:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: "Removed kmplayer-konq-plugins" ?
[05:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ?
[05:13] <Tonio_> what's that ?
[05:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: your upload of kubuntu-meta
[05:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just performed ./update
[05:13] <Riddell> it's still in the seeds
[05:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum......
[05:14] <Tonio_> yeah, I missed that in the changelog......
[05:14] <Tonio_> what's this ?
[05:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: it went back to universe........
[05:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: who did this ?
[05:15] <Riddell> yes, it has
[05:15] <Riddell> no idea
[05:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: could my upgrade cause this ?
[05:15] <imbrandon> i dident touch it .... heh
[05:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe someone though it was a frontend to mplayer and thus it couldn't be in universe
[05:16] <Riddell> that does seem to be a common misunderstanding
[05:16] <Tonio_> yeah no issues in the seeds, I was *very* carefull when I touched this
[05:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, kmplayer name is stupid........
[05:16] <imbrandon> mdz commented on a bug reciently thinking it was a mplayer frontend
[05:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm pinging on #ubuntu-devel
[05:16] <Riddell> that's why goldenear is changing it :)
[05:18] <Tonio_> I'm pretty sure it is this.....
[05:21] <goldenear> actualy kmplayer will stay kmplayer for kde 3.5
[05:21] <Tonio_> goldenear: yeah we know ;)
[05:21] <goldenear> it will become oskar for kde 4 :)
[05:21] <Tonio_> just that it confuses the "masters" of ubuntu since they generally use gnome :)
[05:22] <imbrandon> heh
[05:22] <Tonio_> I'm pretty sure it has been removed because of its name......
[05:23] <goldenear> I can't see an other reason...
[05:23] <goldenear> kmplayer is fully gpl and not mplayer or any closed source codec dependent
[05:24] <goldenear> btw Tonio_, I've switched to edgy now :)
[05:24] <Tonio_> goldenear: we know :) just that the name is historic :)
[05:24] <Tonio_> goldenear: and your feedback ?
[05:24] <goldenear> It was really a pain to install it !!!
[05:25] <goldenear> the desktop cd doesn't work for me (I report the bug)... It fails during hardware detectection
[05:26] <goldenear> the alternate cd works, but it doesn't recognise my network card (missing r1000 module, "bug" reported)
[05:26] <goldenear> I had to install the fr language pack after install (when r1000 module is loaded)
[05:27] <goldenear> Also I don't know if it's normal, but I don't have a splash screen during the boot process
[05:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: did we add foomatic-cleanupdrivers to k-d-s?
[05:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[05:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: so if I understand correctly, keybuk removed it by mistake ?
[05:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: seems to be the case, lets poke him in a few hours if it hasn't gone back in
[05:32] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/bugs/42965 suggests foomatic should be fixed, but lets leave foomatic-cleanupdrivers in k-d-s anyway for now
[05:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42965 in foomatic-db-engine "Can't add a printer in KDE: parser error?" [High,Fix released]  
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I'll reupdate kubuntu-desktop
[05:33] <Tonio_> hum, interesting, so can remove the foomatic stuff from kds then......
[05:33] <Tonio_> in the future I mean :)
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's keep it for edgy, as it doesn't have any consequences, and we'll try to remove it for edgy+1 and see if we get bugs during the dev cycle
[05:34] <Tonio_> that sounds reasonnable
[05:34] <Riddell> yes
[05:41] <goldenear> Tonio_: also about feedback, I'm happy to see that acpi/hibernate is now working (except the wifi has to be ifdown and up to be working after resume) :)
[05:41] <Tonio_> goldenear: knetworkmanager is the key for this ;)
[05:41] <goldenear> The big problem is that suspend doesn't work properly: the screen stay blank when the computer wakes up :(
[05:42] <Tonio_> ah...
 goldenear: knetworkmanager is the key for this ;) <- I don't agree, under windows wifi is working after resume... this is a bug!
[05:43] <Tonio_> goldenear: yes, true, but knetworkmanager is a good workarround waiting for the acpi support to improve :)
[05:43] <goldenear> I like the automatic mp3 codec install from amarok also... this will avoid many questions on the irc and in the forums :D
[05:44] <Tonio_> goldenear: we now have the same for flash in konqueror too :)
[05:45] <goldenear> yes I also see this... but it's still the same old flash pluggin with the sound delay issue :(
[05:45] <goldenear> I hope gnash will be ready soon :)
[05:45] <Tonio_> goldenear: yes, we haven't been able to develop flash9 on our own :)
[05:45] <freeflying> Tonio_: I've nerver setup my wireless network using knetworkmanager  :)
[05:46] <Tonio_> goldenear: the good news is that the structure of that konq plugin allow to make it compatible with any external lib
[05:46] <Tonio_> goldenear: that will be used too with flash9 when it's out
[05:47] <Tonio_> freeflying: well if you like to connect with the shell :) that's your problem ^^
[05:47] <goldenear> you mean in 2010 ? ;)
[05:47] <Tonio_> goldenear: first months of 2007
[05:47] <Tonio_> that's not that far :)
[05:47] <freeflying> Tonio_: knetworkmanager always tell me that I have not any wireless devices  :)
[05:48] <goldenear> sure .... they already promise flash 8 for last year :)
[05:48] <goldenear> wait and see...
[05:48] <Tonio_> freeflying: yeah that can happen with certain drivers that are uncompatible
[05:48] <Tonio_> freeflying: that can be resolved in wpasupplicant configuration
[05:48] <Tonio_> freeflying: simply start the good driver and that should be okay
[05:49] <goldenear> knetworkmanager is not very user friendly for wifi configuration (no way to list available network and no way to use wpa)
[05:49] <Tonio_> knetworkmanager by default uses wext
[05:49] <Tonio_> goldenear: hu ????????
[05:49] <freeflying> Tonio_: good driver?
[05:49] <Tonio_> goldenear: that kwifimanager, not knetworkmanager :)
[05:50] <Tonio_> freeflying: look at wpa_supplicant man page
[05:50] <Tonio_> freeflying: it starts with a 'driver' parameter
[05:50] <freeflying> Tonio_: i see, thanks
[05:50] <Tonio_> by default knm uses wext, which is generic, but you can change this
[05:50] <goldenear> kwifimanager ??? is that installed by default ?
[05:51] <Tonio_> goldenear: no, by default we have wireless-assistant, which is nice, but no wpa
[05:51] <Tonio_> goldenear: then you can install knetworkmanager, which does everything, as long as your wifi driver is 'wext compatible'
[05:51] <Tonio_> most are, except madwifi for example, but that's on the way to be resolved
[05:52] <goldenear> wireless-assistant had never worked for me... it detects network around, but always report it can't connect (even if it actualy do it).
[05:52] <Tonio_> I think ndiswrapper is now compatible with wext for example
[05:53] <goldenear> I almost alway use the command line to set up my wifi :)
[05:53] <Tonio_> goldenear: btw it is now unmaintained.... only knetworkmanager really works
[05:53] <Tonio_> except aseigo, I don't know any person using kfiwimanager too :)
[05:53] <goldenear> kwifimanager you mean ?
[05:54] <Tonio_> goldenear: no, only knetworkmanager really works
[05:54] <Tonio_> kwifimanager sucks, and same for wireless-assistant
[05:54] <gnomefreak> what is the dialog run by when you install mp3 support for amarok?
[05:54] <goldenear> I used kwlan is dapper
[05:54] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: depending the desktop used
[05:54] <goldenear> is worked pretty well and has wpa support
[05:54] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: it loops
[05:55] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I scripted to use gtk under gnome, kde under kde and xterm for the rest
[05:55] <gnomefreak> but the bug is under amarok i was gonna change it but i cant think of it
[05:55] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: there was an issue, but that is supposed to work now no ?
[05:55] <gnomefreak> bug 63783
[05:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63783 in amarok "Insists on installing mp3 codec" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63783
[05:55] <mhb> does someone work on Kubuntu package installer? (like gdebi)
[05:55] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: it keeps going as of yesterday 
[05:55] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: lemme check
[05:56] <gnomefreak> mhb: i dont think there is one for kubuntu yet
[05:56] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: hum.... using kde ?
[05:56] <gnomefreak> im not he might be i was using gnome at the time
[05:56] <Tonio_> mhb: there is one, in the form of a service menu
[05:56] <jdong_> mhb: use gtk-qt engine and then mv gdebi kdebi? :D
[05:56] <Tonio_> right click on a deb file and you'll see
[05:57] <jdong_> Tonio_: the service menu is nothing more than dpkg -i in an xterm
[05:57] <Tonio_> mhb: that's limited but it works
[05:57] <Tonio_> jdong_: true that
[05:57] <jdong_> Tonio_: that's not a very compelling replacement to gdebi :)
[05:57] <jdong_> which actually does effective dependency resolution
[05:57] <gnomefreak> i think we should have one
[05:57] <Tonio_> well that can be scripted....
[05:58] <gnomefreak> jdong_: too many gtk libs i think for some users to do that
[05:58] <Riddell> mhb: it's blocked on pykde supporting an embedded konsole, which will happen in the next release with luck
[05:58] <jdong_> gnomefreak: pfft.... most people won't have a problem with that
[05:58] <jdong_> gnomefreak: I think it pulls in like 10MB->55MB of packages altogehter
[05:59] <jdong_> from fresh kubuntu
[05:59] <jdong_> and if people install firefox, gdebi hitches almost for free
[05:59] <gnomefreak> jdong_: doesn gnome-base get inclueded?
[05:59] <gnomefreak> ah
[05:59] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: concerning the loop, I'll try to have a look at that toonight......
[05:59] <jdong_> Depends: python (>= 2.4), python (<< 3), python-gtk2 (>= 2.6.3-2), python-glade2 (>= 2.6.3-2), python-apt (>= 0.6.16.2), python-vte (>= 1:0.11.15-4), gksu (>= 1.3.6-1), gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.14.0-1)
[05:59] <gnomefreak> looking at the depends for it most are python
[06:00] <gnomefreak> ty Tonio_ 
[06:00] <jdong_> Depends: hicolor-icon-theme, librsvg2-common
[06:00] <jdong_> that's it
[06:00] <jdong_> other than gtk2, it doesn't ask for anything else
[06:00] <jdong_> and many kubuntu users will have gtk2 needed by their other favorite apps anyway
[06:00] <gnomefreak> true
[06:00] <jdong_> unless you're a kde purist :)
[06:00] <gnomefreak> sadist maybe ;)
[06:01] <Riddell> kubuntu is indeed kde pure
[06:01] <Tonio_> jdong_: which apps ? ^^
[06:01] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: gdebi
[06:01] <jdong_> Tonio_: firefox is probably the biggest one
[06:01] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: no ! I was talking about gtk apps kubuntu users should use :)
[06:01] <jdong_> Tonio_: konq is an awesome browser
[06:01] <gnomefreak> oh
[06:01] <jdong_> but it isn't always a replacement for firefox
[06:01] <gnomefreak> FF
[06:01] <Tonio_> jdong_: my real battle is to convince people that firefox sucks :)
[06:01] <Tonio_> that's my first battle
[06:01] <jdong_> Tonio_: you're gonna have a tough time with that
[06:02] <jdong_> I'm pulling up konq to digg.com, the icons are distorted
[06:02] <jdong_> and ther'es overlapping text
[06:02] <gnomefreak> it has its good points and bad points but i think its the most widely used
[06:02] <jdong_> I pull it up to gmail and get sent back to static html world
[06:02] <jdong_> those two alone are enough to make lots of users run back to firefox
[06:02] <Tonio_> jdong_: those are IE6 users arguments
[06:02] <jdong_> anti-flame disclaimer: I use konq in kde for most of my kde browsing
[06:02] <Tonio_> "I use IE6 because all websites work"
[06:03] <Tonio_> ;)
[06:03] <jdong_> Tonio_: still... I could care less about the standards when I need to pay my bills and the site doesn't like it
[06:03] <jdong_> :)
[06:03] <Tonio_> the point is I consider firefox doesn't do what it has been designed to
[06:03] <jdong_> I'm not saying firefox is elegant
[06:03] <jdong_> it really isn't
[06:03] <jdong_> but a lot of the times linux has few other alternatives
[06:04] <Tonio_> firebird has been annouced to be a fast/simple reimplementation of mozilla
[06:04] <jdong_> even opera is not up-to-par with the whole websites working ordeal
[06:04] <Tonio_> the result is something that is even slower and much more complicated
[06:04] <Tonio_> that's a bad result
[06:04] <jdong_> I agree...
[06:04] <Tonio_> opera and konqueror have generally the same "bugs"
[06:04] <jdong_> yes, because of their strict standards compliance
[06:04] <Tonio_> the reason is simple, they are the closests to the standards
[06:05] <Tonio_> exactly
[06:05] <Tonio_> I prefer to avoid a stupid website than browsing with a diplodocus that takes 30 seconds to start, like firefox
[06:05] <jdong_> I've got a few sites that are unavoidable
[06:06] <jdong_> for academic purposes and for banking
[06:06] <jdong_> and pulling up firefox is less evil than pulling up IE6/WINE
[06:06] <jdong_> :-)
[06:06] <Tonio_> jdong_: I generally send an email describing the ugly code, and most of the time, except for big websites, the webmaster is pleased to correct it a bit
[06:07] <jdong_> (ahem, big sites, proprietary homework  submitting solutions)
[06:07] <Tonio_> jdong_: but yes, I use firefox (shame on me) on very rare circumstances
[06:07] <jdong_> where webmasters ignore me for the simplest requests
[06:07] <jdong_> (allowing +'s in e-mail addresses)
[06:07] <Tonio_> the french train company for example -> website uncompatible with opera or konq
[06:07] <Tonio_> I don't have another choice than using firesox
[06:07] <jdong_> Tonio_: you got a CD handy to help me reproduce yet another kubuntu-media bug?
[06:08] <Tonio_> jdong_: so cd there, sorry.... what is the issue ?
[06:08] <jdong_> Tonio_: when you insert a cd, you get the kde deamon dialog, right?
 I pull it up to gmail and get sent back to static html world ----------->> you must change konqueror identity for this page
[06:08] <Tonio_> jdong_: yes
[06:09] <jdong_> marseillai_: faking identity still ends up with quirky ajax. buttons don't work... I've lost e-mails to that
[06:09] <jdong_> Tonio_: select do nothing or X it out
[06:09] <jdong_> (use case: I'm inserting a DVD to acidrip it. no mounting is needed)
[06:09] <Tonio_> okay, and then what happens ?
[06:09] <marseillai_> jdong_: for me it works fine. i use it all days and it's exactly the same interface with konqueror and firefox
[06:09] <jdong_> Tonio_: now, kubuntu has no idea about the cd, and you never get the chance to mount it again
[06:10] <jdong_> Tonio_: to make matters worse, press the eject button on the cd drive..
[06:10] <jdong_> Tonio_: and kioslaves pops up with an ugly error that it doesn't know about /dev/scd0
[06:10] <Tonio_> jdong_: interesting.......; let me test
[06:10] <jdong_> and if you used acidrip or other block-device-accessing programs, you now have a locked cd tray
[06:10] <jdong_> so you're down to a terminal issuing eject commands :)
[06:11] <Goldenear_> Tonio_: about the wifi not working after hibernate, shouldn't this simply be fixed but ifdown any working network interface before hibernate/suspend and ifup them after resume ?
[06:11] <jdong_> Tonio_: the no-second-chance-to-mount-if-you-don't-take-your-first gotcha also applies to USB sticks
[06:11] <jdong_> but the CD/DVD one is extra annoying
[06:12] <jdong_> yesterday when I was acidripping 12 dvd's, it got so annoying to the point that I had to go to GNOME to finish my work
[06:12] <Tonio_> jdong_: works here
[06:12] <Lure> Riddell: ping
[06:12] <Tonio_> I can discard, eject, and I'm prompted again
[06:12] <jdong_> Tonio_: if you cancel the mount dialog, you can still mount?
[06:13] <Tonio_> jdong_: yes
[06:13] <Riddell> hi Lure 
[06:13] <jdong_> Tonio_: without ejecting it?
[06:13] <Tonio_> I can manually eject and mount it
[06:13] <jdong_> well, you have to eject it
[06:13] <jdong_> but /media does not recognize the cd as a cd
[06:13] <marseillai_> i agree with jdong! when you unmount a CD or an usb disk he disappear from desktop or kicker applet and you must use command line to mount it.
[06:13] <jdong_> if you cancel and don't eject
[06:13] <Tonio_> jdong_: true too, you simply go to /media using system menu
[06:13] <Tonio_> double click and it mounts
[06:13] <jdong_> Tonio_: brb, let me check if a recent kde update changed the situation
[06:14] <marseillai_> Tonio_: why we can't show unmount device on desktop since edgy ?
[06:14] <marseillai_> now only mount device are shown
[06:14] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: your gonna hurt me :(
[06:15] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: why ?
[06:15] <gnomefreak> amarok has no splash screen for me anymore
[06:15] <Tonio_> jdong: simply go in /media using konq
[06:15] <Tonio_> you can mount and eject from there
[06:15] <jdong> ok, back
[06:15] <jdong> test 1: inserting cd....
[06:15] <jdong> canceled mount dialog
[06:15] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I didn't touch this :)
[06:15] <jdong> no desktop icon....
[06:15] <jdong> going to media...
[06:15] <jdong> ok, nvm, cdrom is fixed
[06:15] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: default amarok has been changed, that's all :)
[06:15] <jdong> mount is availabe from right click
[06:15] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[06:16] <jdong> Tonio_: though clicking the drive (opening the link) opens a blank folder
[06:16] <DaSkreech> my friend gets mediamanager not started when he types media:/
[06:16] <Tonio_> jdong: yes, that's a known issue, _Sime will fix it
[06:16] <jdong> Tonio_: ok
[06:16] <jdong> let me play with usb sticks then
[06:16] <Tonio_> jdong: but that's the only known issue on that point
[06:16] <Lure> Riddell: what is you plan with shortcuts for suspend/hhibernate/battery (that sebas mentioned in mail)?
[06:16] <gnomefreak> ah nevermind i didnt know there was a setting :(
[06:17] <jdong> Tonio_: with the cd unmounted, open a terminal
[06:17] <Tonio_> jdong: the issue was probably that you had cdrom0 hidden, and you used the symlink cdrom
[06:17] <Tonio_> jdong: I fixed kds on that point
[06:17] <jdong> Tonio_: run dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/dev/null
[06:17] <Riddell> Lure: pykde has a bug which means we use kglobalaccelarator in guidance power manager
[06:17] <jdong> Tonio_: to simulate ripping a cd or some other block device activity
[06:17] <Riddell> Lure: so best place to add them would be to your ksmserver patch
[06:17] <jdong> Tonio_: then press the eject button
[06:17] <Lure> Riddell: so ksmserver would just display the dialog?
[06:17] <Tonio_> jdong: hum, yes, I can see this
[06:17] <jdong> Tonio_: kioslaves returns the cryptic unknown-device error
[06:18] <jdong> Tonio_: a "disk in use" is much more friendly than that :)
[06:18] <Lure> Riddell: I could also add battery key support in kmilo (call powermanager->showTip over dcop)
[06:18] <jdong> Tonio_: and if a program leaves the tray locked... it's even worse
[06:18] <jdong> Tonio_: dd don't keep the tray locked. Some cd ripping programs do. in that case, you're off to eject-land
[06:18] <Riddell> Lure: well it could directly just hiberate/suspend.
[06:18] <Riddell> Lure: yes, that would be cool
[06:19] <marseillai_> Tonio_: before we had the possiblity to show or not the unmount device on desktop. why remove this possiblity?
[06:19] <jdong> marseillai_: imo that was a regression introduced by sime's patches
[06:19] <jdong> (which btw are wonderful in every other way!)
[06:19] <jdong> I love the streamlined /media
[06:19] <jdong> just there's still a few quirks
[06:19] <marseillai_> jdong: i can understand to not show them by default
[06:19] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that I do not know what users would prefer - typically laptops have only one key (standby and sleep) and they might assigne different action
[06:20] <jdong> marseillai_: no, as in the option no longer functions correctly.....
[06:20] <Riddell> Lure: ah, tricky
[06:20] <jdong> marseillai_: due to the patches
[06:20] <marseillai_> and imo kicker applet for removable device is largely better than desktop icons ......
[06:20] <Riddell> Lure: well showing the dialogue is fine then.  or we could see what gnome does
[06:20] <Tonio_> jdong: I'm wondering if that not the same issue than the "blank page" when you go in using konq
[06:20] <Tonio_> jdong: maybe it just doesn't mount while it is supposed to
[06:20] <jdong> Tonio_: it might be
[06:20] <Lure> Riddell: I will check gnome again, but I think they have gconf entry...
[06:20] <jdong> Tonio_: well, I don't always want to mount
[06:20] <Tonio_> jdong: better discuss this with _Sime since he has all keys concerning this
[06:21] <jdong> ok, will try to catch him
[06:21] <Tonio_> jdong: the point is that's different from the kde base
[06:21] <Tonio_> he has patched this widely, so only him can understand what happens in fact
[06:22] <Riddell> Lure: the gnome solution to everything :)
[06:22] <jdong> Tonio_: if I plug in a usb stick and tell it to do nothing, I don't ever get the chance to mount it again
[06:23] <jdong> media is devoid of usb devices
[06:23] <Tonio_> jdong: looking
[06:23] <jdong> Tonio_: and do nothing actually mounts the device (!)
[06:24] <jdong> Tonio_: while cancel does what I just complained about
[06:24] <Tonio_> do nothing should mount the device
[06:24] <Tonio_> that "normal"
[06:24] <Tonio_> it means "mounts and do no action after this"
[06:24] <Tonio_> that makes sense
[06:24] <jdong> Tonio_: maybe that should be stated then
[06:24] <jdong> Tonio_: I always thought do nothing means leave it unmounted
[06:25] <jdong> (with an unmounted usb stick icon, etc)
[06:25] <jdong> I'm liable to yank it out assuming it was unmounted
[06:25] <Tonio_> hum, that probably just string issue in kde, should say "mount and don't perform anything else"
[06:26] <jdong> that's better
[06:26] <jdong> even Mount instead of "do nothing"
[06:26] <Tonio_> true that :) feel free to report on kde bts :)
[06:27] <jdong> Tonio_: you know how much I hate to touch that site :D
[06:27] <Tonio_> jdong: that's why I'm telling you "free free to do it" ;) I won't lol
[06:27] <jdong> :D
[06:27] <Tonio_> the messiest website I've ever seen.......
[06:27] <jdong> Tonio_: at least cancel should = do nothing in action
[06:28] <jdong> Tonio_: that's a _Sime issue, right?
[06:28] <jdong> wasn't a kdebase upload yesterday supposed to effect that?
[06:28] <Tonio_> jdong: yes it is
[06:28] <Tonio_> and yes, I agree with you
[06:28] <Tonio_> cancel should "do nothing"
[06:28] <jdong> yep
[06:28] <Tonio_> the problem is still there with the close button :)
[06:28] <jdong> ugh
[06:28] <jdong> why not just have do nothing DO NOTHING :)
[06:29] <jdong> currently 2 of 3 buttons think that's the case
[06:29] <jdong> and that's a majority vote of buttons :)
[06:29] <jdong> lol
[06:29] <Tonio_> jdong: hum, because I think the "mount/unmount" doesn't have to be let to the user
[06:29] <Tonio_> it is complicated and doesn't have any reason to exist
[06:30] <jdong> Tonio_: it should be exposed because it dictates whether or not it's safe to yank the device
[06:30] <Tonio_> do you "mount" on windows or osx ? the system deals with that on its own, and that's I think the goal of sime, making it automatic
[06:30] <jdong> until linux has another way around that issue, KDE should not cover up that aspect
[06:30] <Tonio_> jdong: I agree on that point
[06:30] <jdong> and OSX and Windows both have vfat drivers that are MUCH more resilient to yahnking corruption
[06:30] <jdong> that's an aspect we cannot compete with
[06:30] <jdong> as much as I hate to admit it
[06:31] <jdong> I've done plenty of linux yanking tests
[06:31] <jdong> both sync and async
[06:31] <jdong> linux corrupts the fat structures far more often than windows or OSX
[06:31] <Tonio_> hum, that's true, yes
[06:32] <jdong> either way, I have no issue with automounting, like what gnome does
[06:33] <jdong> it does make the user's life easier
[06:33] <jdong> but don't give me the impression that you didn't ;-)
[06:33] <jdong> (s/Do Nothing/mount/ is probably our best solution)
[06:33] <jdong> even if upstream doesn't do it, we should
[06:33] <Tonio_> jdong: too late to change the strings now
[06:34] <Tonio_> btw, we'll probably make a point with _Sime concerning the known bugs and resolved problem, and decide if we finally include his patches or not
[06:34] <jdong> k
[06:35] <Tonio_> maybe if there are too many issues we can had them for edgy + 1 so that _Sime has more time to polish the work
[06:35] <jdong> to be perfectly honest, if I were reviewing kubuntu today, I would come down very harshly on the kubuntu media issues I've noted
[06:35] <jdong> both today and the other days
[06:35] <jdong> but fortunately I don't have that kind of free time :D
[06:35] <Tonio_> jdong: take note on the issues, and be there when we debate this :)
[06:36] <jdong> Tonio_: that's why I'm trying to brainwash you to take my side for me :D
[06:36] <Tonio_> jdong: I'm taking notes, don't mind :)
[06:36] <Lure> Riddell: gpm by default does nothing, but there is gconf entry to be able to change it - not sure if some postinst updates it...
[06:36] <jdong> I'd love to have free time for kubuntu/ubuntu on my command, but sadly that's not the case
[06:36] <jdong> and murphy's law states that I'll be busy whenever an important debate like that happens
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't there a meeting on thursday ?
[06:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: that was discussed last week
[06:38] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: I think we should really add gdb as dependancy to kubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <Tonio_> Lure: true
[06:39] <Lure> is there any reason why this is not done (sorry - I could not attend last meeting where I have put this to agenda :-( )
[06:39] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't see any, but maybe Riddell has its reasons......
[06:41] <Riddell> Lure: we don't have space on the CD for developers tools is the general reason.  plus would we then need the -dbg packages?
[06:41] <Riddell> Lure: I presume that the gnome apport crash handler thing installs gdb for you, we should look at doing something similar in future
[06:42] <Lure> Riddell: there is now depo for dbg packages, but also w/o, stack dump is usable as binaries are not stipped
[06:42] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that we have a crash dialog on crash that when Stack trace is selected throws another error :-(
[06:43] <Lure> not very nice to user :-(
[06:44] <Riddell> any idea how much it adds to the CD?
[06:44] <Lure> Riddell: gdb package is 2.3-3.7MB (depends on platform) + not so many depends
[06:44] <Lure> Riddell: all depends are probably already in: libc6 libncurses5 libreadline5
[06:46] <Lure> Riddell: yep, all dependancies are already in
[06:46] <Lure> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/devel/gdb
[06:46] <Lure> Riddell: are CDs oversized/on the edge?
[06:46] <Riddell> Lure: they're getting close and digikam was just added
[06:47] <Riddell> amd64 already has no language-support-en
[06:47] <Lure> Riddell: I still think we can drop something else  (openoffice ;-)
[06:48] <Lure> just kidding
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about that, what is the priority ? provide the maximum softwares or provide windows applications.......; because that takes space too
[06:48] <Lure> Riddell: krita is maybe not too useful for general public though
[06:48] <Riddell> provide the maximum software isn't a priority, we just provide an operating system
[06:48] <Riddell> and winfoss kicks arse
[06:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: but if we miss space can we think about removing the windows stuff on the cd ?
[06:49] <Riddell> lots of people need graphics apps
[06:49] <Lure> Riddell: yes, but we should have usable desktop with photo mgmt and proper crash reporting ;-)
[06:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, winfoss is great stuff
[06:49] <Lure> Riddell: we could drop konversation as all users of IRC have internet connection ;-)
[06:49] <imbrandon> yea winfoss is great but no lang-en isnt 
[06:50] <Riddell> imbrandon: that's on amd64, which has no winfoss
[06:50] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:50] <Lure> Riddell: true regarding winfoss, but if I am deciding on 3.7MB gdb for crash reports or 17 MB windows/scribus I know what I would choose
[06:50] <imbrandon> Lure, WHA!?! no konversation ?!? 
[06:50] <imbrandon> heh
[06:51] <Tonio_> Lure: especially when projects like the opencd already exist...
[06:51] <imbrandon> i think we need more install-mp3 type scripts 
[06:51] <Lure> imbrandon: I would also like to keep it (as it needs promotion), but fact is that IRC is not used by all users and all IRC users have internet connection - and do not depend on shipit CD only
[06:52] <imbrandon> not all computer users have cameras either by that definaition
[06:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:52] <imbrandon> or music collections ... or .... we could name alot of things
[06:53] <Lure> imbrandon: true, but I would suspect digital photos are more likely than irc 
[06:53] <Lure> imbrandon: but anyway, we need to find something that we all agree can be dropped
[06:54] <Riddell> I wonder what seed gdb should be added to
[06:54] <raphink> gdb vs. exe debate?
[06:55] <imbrandon> i'm with keybuk tbh and say we make a dvd + alternate cd base install ;) but thats a whole nother conversation
[06:55] <Lure> Riddell: same as kde...
[06:55] <Lure> Riddell: desktop...
[06:55] <Tonio_> raphink: hehe, yes, a bit :)
[06:56] <imbrandon> raphink, heh
[06:56] <raphink> I needed 60MB and I didn't need 10seconds to choose where to find them
[06:56] <imbrandon> ok i got to run for a while, bbiab
[06:56] <raphink> I'm not distributing an open-source OS to encourage people to use the apps on Windows
[06:56] <Lure> imbrandon: I would drop krita (maybe replace it with simple kpaint) as first choice - when we finally replace openoffice with koffice, we get it back
[06:56] <imbrandon> +1 on the office change
[06:57] <Lure> raphink: problem is that on amd64 there is no winfoss
[06:57] <Tonio_> well in my opinion winfoss is nice, but should remain "optional", in the way that "we had it if we have the space for"
[06:57] <Tonio_> Lure: yeah, that's another problem indeed
[06:57] <Tonio_> Lure: let's switch to koffice !!!!!!!!
[06:57] <imbrandon> Riddell, why do we use oo.o over koffice ?
[06:57] <Tonio_> -> keep space and promote kde apps, 2 in 1
[06:57] <insanekane> imbrandon: because it is better ?
[06:57] <imbrandon> insanekane, hahah ok
[06:58] <raphink> koffice powa :)
[06:58] <imbrandon> insanekane, that why its always the first thing to get uninstalled right ?
[06:58] <Tonio_> insanekane: depends on the point of view.... for my needs, koffice is enough and BY FAR better integrated.....
[06:58] <insanekane> Tonio_: good for you
[06:58] <raphink> kubuntu is considered the most KDE-based distro in a way
[06:58] <imbrandon> Tonio_, exactly intergration and for the avg JOE it works great
[06:58] <raphink> we focus on KDE more than most distros
[06:58] <raphink> and I think koffice just fits with that choice
[06:59] <insanekane> theres good integration between OOo apps as well
[06:59] <Riddell> imbrandon: koffice is too buggy
[06:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: true that, people that need more feature can install oo.o
[06:59] <imbrandon> Tonio_, exactly
[06:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, that's really better with latest versions
[06:59] <raphink> programs get debugged when they're used in FLOSS
[06:59] <insanekane> Tonio_: being able to type text and render it on screen is a big feature of OOo
[06:59] <imbrandon> Riddell, it isnt any more buggy than oo.o , and crashes ALOT less
[06:59] <raphink> Riddell: weren't systemsettings and adept too buggy when we added them?
[06:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the problem is communicating with msoffice
[07:00] <raphink> and yet they are far more important parts of the system than office
[07:00] <Tonio_> imbrandon: switching will probably be possible when opendoc plugins for mso are available
[07:00] <imbrandon> raphink, +1
[07:00] <raphink> we all know that systemseting is what it is today _because_ it was integrated
[07:00] <raphink> and the same for adept
[07:00] <raphink> I would like to give its chance to koffice today
[07:00] <raphink> it deservesit
[07:00] <Tonio_> okay let's remove winfloss, replace oo.o, everything after beta, and let mdz have an heart attack :)
[07:01] <Tonio_> but seriously, all of this can be discussed for edgy+1
[07:01] <imbrandon> yea i think we need to give koffice a serouis look for edgy+1
[07:01] <raphink> when is koffice 2 to be released?
[07:01] <Riddell> after kde 4
[07:02] <raphink> argh
[07:02] <Tonio_> insanekane: talking about oo.o integration, did you notice the bug with fonts on oo.o menus on kde ?
[07:02] <Tonio_> they look ugly
[07:03] <beligum> Hi all, I'm looking for someone who wants to take over the ScreenKast packaging...
[07:03] <Tonio_> fuzzy, for a reason I can't explain
[07:03] <insanekane> Tonio_: those issues are of a very low priority
[07:04] <insanekane> Tonio_: most users in the world cannot use Koffice because of the lack of support for their language
[07:04] <Lure> Tonio_: ugly as hell
[07:04] <Tonio_> insanekane: for me (since I focus on polishing), they are important :)
[07:04] <Goldenear_> I'm pretty sad to see that nothing has been done for firefox kde intergration in edgy :(
[07:04] <Goldenear_> firefox still have the ugly gtk file dialog :(
[07:05] <Lure> Goldenear_: me to, but this is one more reason to reconsider konqueror
[07:05] <imbrandon> Goldenear_, mostly becouse firefox isnt stable enough even on gnome atm , it still crashing all the time 
[07:05] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: true that, because the patch to get kde dialog is an evil hack
[07:05] <raphink> Lure: reconsider konqueror?
[07:05] <raphink> konqueror is great
[07:05] <Riddell> hi [niceday]  
[07:05] <Goldenear_> I mostly use konqueror... but many sited doesn't work in konq :(
[07:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you add the kubuntu meeting to fridge?
[07:05] <raphink> I can't do a tenth of what I do with konqueror with firefox
[07:05] <Goldenear_> so firefox is a must
[07:05] <Tonio_> beligum: that's on my plans but for "after edgy is out"
[07:06] <Lure> raphink: I have still some issues to use it at work, but it seems that I will have to fix these intranet apps ;-)
[07:06] <[niceday] > Riddell: hi. i'm just taking a tour through some channels (adding them to my list)
[07:06] <imbrandon> Riddell, pretty sure, lemme make sure , one sec
[07:06] <raphink> Goldenear_: so let's fix konqueror
[07:06] <raphink> or rather, adapt it
[07:06] <Goldenear_>  <Tonio_> Goldenear_: true that, because the patch to get kde dialog is an evil hack <-- is there a better solution ? (existing)
[07:06] <Lure> raphink: other reason is that I am used to firefox and some of extentions...
[07:06] <raphink> cause konqueror is about the only browser to really respect the standards
[07:07] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: using firefox "because it display bad coded websites" is encouraging what made IE that popular.......
[07:07] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: that's not a solution
[07:07] <raphink> yes Tonio_
[07:07] <raphink> totally agreed
[07:07] <Goldenear_> also I would like to see konqueror (or a kthml based broswer) for windows...
[07:07] <beligum> Tonio_: allright, thx. My time runs out to spend a lot of time on it
[07:07] <Tonio_> the more konqueror there are, the more websites will be corrected
[07:07] <Tonio_> same with opera
[07:07] <Goldenear_> this way we could have a multiplateform browser ligther than firefox
[07:07] <Lure> Tonio_: exactly - this is why I plan to try to switch again 
[07:07] <raphink> I am for adding a firefox spoofing id on konqueror, that says as commentary "I'm just pretending to use Firefox because your website is a mess"
[07:08] <raphink> so people will get it in their stat
[07:08] <raphink> ;)
 the more konqueror there are, the more websites will be corrected <- most problem I have are not from websites but from konq... eg ajax support
[07:08] <raphink> so we can watch these websites using the spoofing (works most of the time) while still lettting people know that they should care about standards
[07:08] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: ajax support issues are due to websites
[07:09] <raphink> Goldenear_: konqueror was one of the first browsers to have good ajax support
[07:09] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: on vbulletin, which has good code, ajax works nicelly, even with konqueror
[07:09] <raphink> actually the first one to pass the ajax test properly iirc
[07:09] <raphink> just because people talk SMS all the time, we aren't going to adapt our doc and make itt horrible
[07:10] <raphink> and all the same for code imo
[07:10] <imbrandon> Riddell, ugh i did but i forgot to tick the "published" box, its published now
[07:10] <raphink> we aren't going to lower our standards because people don't mind about theirs
[07:10] <imbrandon> sorry
[07:10] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: what do we want ? a kde based operating system or a kde based with gnome apps, like suse or mandriva ?
[07:10] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: no need to do something that already exists
[07:10] <raphink> Tonio_: I've made my choice :)
[07:10] <Goldenear_> I have a more pragmatic approch to the problem... many websites are not konqueror compatible... I need to use them now and I don't thing their webmasters are ready to fix them...
[07:10] <raphink> the whole point about KDE is integration
[07:10] <Tonio_> that's the reason I think we should on using kde apps only
[07:11] <Goldenear_> so the only solution is at the moment to use firefox...
[07:11] <raphink> no Goldenear_ I do not agree
[07:11] <Goldenear_> (And I don't even talk about ie only compatible sites)
[07:11] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: and if firefox fails on certain websites ? (that happens)
[07:11] <Tonio_> and if mozilla decided to respect the standards, then there would be no issues
[07:11] <Tonio_> since the websites would be made compatible
[07:12] <Tonio_> if firefox continues to go out of the standards, like IE is, I would shit on it the same way I shit on IE
[07:12] <Goldenear_> I didn't find a site not working with firefox since a pretty long time...
[07:12] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: why ?
[07:12] <Tonio_> because the websites have been made compatible with it
[07:12] <Tonio_> because it is widely used
[07:12] <Tonio_> so there are 2 solutions :
[07:13] <Tonio_> - people are using konqueror and the same thing happens
[07:13] <raphink> yep
[07:13] <raphink> it's because more and more people use FF
[07:13] <raphink> that websites are compatible
[07:13] <raphink> and it's because more and more people use open document 
[07:13] <Tonio_> - mozilla is making a good gecko that respects the standards, and that'll correct the issues for ALL BROWSERS in the world
[07:13] <raphink> that the next version of MS Office will understand it
[07:13] <raphink> not the other way round
[07:13] <Goldenear_> 95% of people are using Windows... Konqueror doesn't work on windows...
[07:14] <Riddell> Goldenear_: yet...
[07:14] <raphink> Goldenear_: yet
[07:14] <Goldenear_> that's the point :D
[07:14] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: yet
[07:14] <raphink> konqueror is being ported on windows
[07:14] <Riddell> ** for the brave   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main
[07:14] <raphink> hehe
[07:14] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: using firefox on kde is a temporary solution, but the consequences will be a dirty web at the end
[07:14] <Goldenear_> But I want to use the sites now !!!
[07:14] <Tonio_> and konqueror will have even more compatibility issues
[07:15] <imbrandon> Riddell, whoo hoo , upgrading now
[07:15] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: how did the first firefox users do ? they were boycotting the crappy websites
[07:15] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: that's the only way to get a clean web
[07:15] <Riddell> imbrandon: note I havn't tested them yet myself 
[07:15] <raphink> haha
[07:15] <imbrandon> hehe ok
[07:16] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: your point is the same than people saying "I'll use linux when drivers are available"
[07:16] <raphink> yes
[07:16] <Tonio_> reasonnable opinion, but if everyone says this, we will NEVER get the drivers :)
[07:17] <raphink> open-source exists because people have made the choice to loose technical options to gain freedom
[07:17] <Tonio_> the first people creating the change have to accept compromise for the future
[07:17] <raphink> if you choose technical stuff over freedom
[07:17] <raphink> you'll lose your freedom
[07:17] <raphink> and you'll never get more
[07:17] <Goldenear_> Tonio_: let me ask you a question: Why companies such as SNCF, Grosbill, or Le mistere des finances would make their website konqueror compatible ?
[07:17] <mhb> it seems today is discussion day here :o) 
[07:17] <raphink> Goldenear_: companies need money
[07:17] <raphink> konqueror is a great navigator
[07:17] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: because it is used by the masse
[07:17] <raphink> even safari is based on KHTML
[07:18] <mhb> Riddell: I'll set up a virtual Edgy machine and test the packages, after all, I'm in Kubuntu Testers now :o)
[07:18] <raphink> if konqueror begins to be used by many
[07:18] <raphink> they will have to adapt
[07:18] <Riddell> mhb: ah hah, yes :)
[07:18] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: when grosbill doesn't sell anymore because all konqueror users are going to another website, they'll change it
[07:18] <Goldenear_> of core konq is great... that's why I mostly use it !
[07:18] <Goldenear_> But I can't reserve a train ticket of pay my taxes with it !
[07:18] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: you know what I'm doing ?
[07:19] <Tonio_> I'm sending an email to the webmaster saying the code sucks, and I'm phoning to get the bill
[07:19] <Tonio_> when the guy will receive 500 mails a week, maybe the code would get cleaned a bit
 Goldenear_: when grosbill doesn't sell anymore because all konqueror users are going to another website, they'll change it <-- all konqueror users ? you mean 0,1 % of their customers ? ;)
[07:19] <Goldenear_> please, be more realistic
[07:19] <Tonio_> that's what happened with firefox at the begening
[07:20] <Tonio_> actually, the issue for me is with mozilla
[07:20] <Goldenear_> but firefox is working on linux ...
[07:20] <Goldenear_> AND WINDOWS !!!!
[07:20] <Tonio_> if mozilla decides to go back to the standards, then the websites will not have another choice than beeing standard compatible
[07:20] <Goldenear_> the OS used by 95% of people!
[07:20] <Goldenear_> that makes the difference
[07:21] <marseillai> Tonio_: you've package kxmame it's so great but it doesn't depend on xmame .......
[07:21] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: and konqueror soon will
[07:21] <Tonio_> marseillai: bah.......; it does no ?
[07:21] <Goldenear_> Tonio_: you mean konqueror will be a native Windows app ?
[07:21] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: yes
[07:21] <Tonio_> as koffice, and as all kde
[07:21] <raphink> yes
[07:21] <marseillai> Tonio_: j'ai install kxmame, il me demande aucune dpendance, se lance et me dis ; t'as pas xmame!
[07:22] <Tonio_> marseillai: je regarde
[07:22] <raphink> Goldenear_: qt4 is ported on windows, nativelly
[07:22] <Goldenear_> but konqueror is kde dependent
[07:22] <marseillai> not all kde will be port mais a big part of it will 
[07:22] <raphink> Goldenear_: how so?
[07:22] <Goldenear_> many people won't use it under windows if they also need to install kde
[07:22] <raphink> Goldenear_: many GNOME users use konqueror only
[07:23] <Tonio_> marseillai: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), kdelibs-dev, cdbs, docbook2x, libxine-dev, xmame-common
[07:23] <marseillai> Goldenear_: every kde library wich not depend too much on unix system will be port.
[07:23] <Tonio_> tricky it is not added as a dep...... marseillai I'm changing this
[07:23] <imbrandon> Goldenear_, not really have a look at this http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/kde4-osx.png
[07:23] <marseillai> Tonio_: jdis pas le contraire hein. jdis juste que ca ne marche pas
[07:23] <Tonio_> marseillai: I'm fixing this
[07:24] <marseillai> oki
[07:25] <Goldenear_> imbrandon: but konqueror won't run on OSX with (at least some part of) kde installed on it :/
[07:25] <imbrandon> kdelibs, big deal, vb6 apps wont run on windows without vb6 libs either , and point ?
[07:26] <Goldenear_> I think there should 3 broswers sharing the same basis (mostly khtml): Konqueror on Linux, Safari on os X and a new one on Windows...
[07:27] <raphink> Safari is more or less a port of Konqueror Goldenear_
[07:27] <Goldenear_> This is the only way I see to have a real alternative to ie and ff
[07:27] <Lure> Riddell: installing kde355 now...
[07:27] <raphink> although they have dirty patches in it ;)
 Safari is more or less a port of Konqueror Goldenear_ <-- I know that, but the SNCF website is working on Safari ;)
[07:28] <Tonio_> Goldenear_: because osx users are using safari, there is a chance that websites get compatible in the future
[07:28] <Tonio_> that's the point
[07:28] <Riddell> there's a lot of differences between KHTML and safari
[07:28] <raphink> lots of patches
[07:28] <raphink> that won't get in KDE 
[07:28] <Tonio_> konqueror, compared to one year ago, as fair less compatibility issues
[07:28] <Riddell> hopefully kde 4 will use the port of safari webkit to qt
[07:28] <Goldenear_> indeed.... and a sync between the two would be nice :)
[07:29] <mhb> is there a grub configuration tool for KDE?
[07:30] <imbrandon> Riddell, is there ppc packages there ?
[07:30] <imbrandon> ( for 355 )
[07:30] <mhb> I'd like that in Kubuntu because I edit menu.lst almost every time I install K.
[07:30] <Riddell> imbrandon: no
[07:31] <imbrandon> ahh ok, no wonder i was having issues
[07:31] <imbrandon> lol
[07:31] <Riddell> mhb: I'd like one too, but nobody has stepped up to do one.  I dont think it would be very hard to make a guidance tool for it
[07:32] <Riddell> abattoir: you're already doing smart!
[07:32] <Riddell> mhb: do it!
[07:32] <abattoir> Riddell: well, i could do this too, edgy+1 target?
 hopefully kde 4 will use the port of safari webkit to qt <-- so the only missing thing will be a win32 webkit base browser :)
[07:32] <abattoir> or maybe mhb and me could work on it together ;)
[07:32] <Tonio_> rahhhhhhhhhhhh ! /usr/include/linux/joystick.h:131: error: '__s64' does not name a type
[07:32] <Tonio_> the error is back.........
[07:33] <Riddell> abattoir: sure, just be careful not to work on too much stuff at once
[07:33] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, ok :P
[07:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: it never went away
[07:33] <Riddell> Goldenear_: konqueror on win32 :)
[07:34] <mhb> I think edgy+1 target is possible
[07:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: since kxmame compiled one day, I can tell you it had went away :)
[07:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: ftbfs now, but working a moment ago
[07:34] <mhb> abattoir: how's smart doing, btw?
[07:35] <abattoir> mhb: i'm working on a Qt UI for it
[07:35] <goldenear> Riddell: I mean a browser not needing kde :)
[07:38] <Lure> Riddell: no errors with upgrade to kde355, now rebooting to see the difference... ;-)
[07:43] <Hawkwind> Is 3.5.5 for Edgy or Dapper ?
[07:44] <abattoir> Hawkwind: edgy
[07:44] <Hawkwind> Nice
[07:44] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Wait!  You're sleep typing :P
[07:44] <abattoir> :P
[07:44] <Riddell> Lure!
[07:45] <Riddell> Lure: and?  anarchy?  world peace?
[07:45] <Lure> Riddell: session manager started my apps in wrong desktops, and it looks like I cannot move them between desktops (drag&drop)
[07:45] <Riddell> uh oh
[07:46] <Lure> Riddell: even switching desktop does not work from panel ;-(
[07:46] <Riddell> so kwin go foobar
[07:46] <Lure> Riddell: will try new profile (my is old from hoary times with some customization
[07:47] <Lure> Riddell: it switches desktops if I click the app in taskbar, just the Desktop Pager seems to be broken
[07:49] <Riddell> so control-F2 is broken?
[07:49] <Lure> Riddell: kdesu also does not work - "Conversation with su failed."
[07:49] <Lure> wau!
[07:49] <Lure> my desktop is shadded 
[07:49] <Riddell> "to check: sudo, printing, kicker height, scroll wheel, kwallet, desktop changing"
[07:50] <Lure> like if I would select logout, just without the logout dialog... ;-)
[07:50] <Lure> Riddell: big todo... :-(
[07:51] <Lure> Riddell: it is really funny - whole screen is shadded (I can barely read), just my mouse cursor is shinny white ;-)
[07:51] <Lure> Riddell: actually it is a bit lighter than logout shade - just tried it...
[07:52] <Lure> Riddell: maybe it is caused by Start New Session I used couple of seconds before...
[07:52] <Lure> it looks like I will use Dapper tommorow at work ;-)
[07:53] <Lure> Riddell: "kdesu (kdelibs): ERROR: su has exited while waiting for pwd." on console when running kdesu
[07:56] <Riddell> so hmm, a few bugs then I guess
[07:57] <nixternal> woohoo, my display config is back!! thank you! ;)
[07:58] <nixternal> Riddell: about the gwenview translation stuff, is there a doc i can read to show me how to create the .pot file the correct way? an easy way maybe? I am new to creating package translations
[07:59] <Riddell> nixternal: there is a gwenview-i18n tar that needs to be packaged
[08:00] <nixternal> roger that
[08:01] <nixternal> got it
[08:03] <Lure> Riddell: kontact/kmail/karm/akregator looks ok
[08:03] <nixternal> ok..how do i go about packaging it?  do i add it to the gwenview package, or is it seperate?
[08:03] <Riddell> Lure: they havn't been packaged yet
[08:03] <Lure> Riddell: will have to run now, but will keep you posted if I notice something else
[08:04] <Riddell> Lure: thanks
[08:04] <Lure> Riddell: ok, this is the reason they work ;-)
[08:47] <Hawkwind> Is webmin not available for Kubuntu anywhere ?
[08:50] <jdong> webmin is mysteriously MIA for a while now
[09:02] <marseillai> _Sime: tonio told me that you are the "master" for device gestion in kubuntu. So i ask you if it is possible to select if we want to see or not unmount device on desktop or in "support de stockage" kicker applet ?
[09:04] <_Sime> marseillai: Showing Unmounted is no longer supported for the simple reason that the user doesn't need to know about details like mounting/unmounting. It should work automatically.
[09:04] <marseillai> _Sime: yes of course
[09:04] <jdong> _Sime: then please change the string "Do Nothing" to something more accurate....
[09:04] <_Sime> that's the idea
[09:04] <_Sime> jdong: like what?
[09:04] <jdong> Do Nothing gives me the impression it's safe to yank out the drive
[09:04] <jdong> _Sime: well, you don't want to use mount.... hmm....
[09:05] <jdong> Tonio_ and I were talking about this earlier
[09:05] <jdong> at that time, I liked the term Mount
[09:05] <jdong> even "Don't open in new window" is better
[09:05] <_Sime> I know. That problem with the Close button is fixed btw.
[09:05] <jdong> thx for that bugfix
[09:06] <marseillai> but i can understand the fact that you disable it by default! but you should leave the option for those who want see it! for example when my usb hard drive crash i now need to mount it manually or in /media. and worse than it now i need to use command line to mount nfs instead of simply doing mount on kicker applet with dapper ....
[09:06] <jdong> _Sime: is there some way to show an icon for unmounted usb sticks?
[09:06] <jdong> _Sime: sometimes I'd unmount but realize I still need to do something
[09:07] <jdong> _Sime: or in the case of my 3 partition USB HD, I can't yank out all 3 without linux panicking (root on USB)
[09:07] <_Sime> marseillai: kicker applet for unmounted NFS,  _should_ be the same as before.
[09:07] <marseillai> it isn't _Sime 
[09:07] <marseillai> and it isn't for usb key too ....
[09:07] <marseillai> and option to show unmount device have disappear
[09:09] <_Sime> jdong: short answer no. How do you "accidently" unmount it?
[09:10] <_Sime> marseillai: usb keys are either inserted and ready, or removed//ready to be removed. That is model that we are trying to achieve.
[09:10] <jdong> _Sime: I unmount it with the intent to remove it, but later decided not to remove it, but continue using it
[09:10] <_Sime> marseillai: if you want to remount you usb key, remove it and insert it. That seems simple and logical.
[09:10] <jdong> _Sime: my usb slots are hard to reach
[09:10] <jdong> and I'd rather not go for re-inserting
[09:11] <jdong> and for my external, I prefer to keep the fat32 partitions unmounted except when needed
[09:11] <jdong> I've lost a lot of data before due to linux's flaky vfat
[09:11] <_Sime> external what exactly?
[09:11] <jdong> usb hd
[09:11] <jdong> it has 3 partitions
[09:11] <jdong> 1 ntfs, 1 fat32 , 1 linux root
[09:11] <jdong> I boot off of it for linux on one of my systems
[09:12] <_Sime> jdong: but if you say "Safely remove" in KDE, can you then actually safely remove you USB drive?
[09:12] <jdong> _Sime: not technically. I can safely remove that partition if I can perform surgery on 7200rpm platters :)
[09:13] <_Sime> jdong: I mean the whole drive?
[09:13] <jdong> no, linux is mounted on that drive
[09:13] <jdong> if I remove it, linux will crash
[09:14] <jdong> kubuntu/hal/ubuntu treats partitions 1 and 2 as usb removable devices, 3 as a linux system device
[09:15] <_Sime> jdong: you've kind of a got an extreme case there. :-/
[09:16] <jdong> I know I do
[09:16] <mhb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ is a bit incomplete for Kubuntu
[09:16] <_Sime> jdong: I'm not sure how that can be beter handled..... a toughie.
[09:16] <jdong> but it's one use case that at least somewhere there needs to be the mount/unmount notion.....
[09:16] <jdong> maybe in the panel applet or something
[09:16] <jdong> or keep the unmounted device icons around
[09:18] <_Sime> I'll have to have a good think about that one. I'm afraid that it doesn't really fit the model very well. Maybe I can find some sort of compromise / middleground.
[09:20] <_Sime> jdong: have you got any easier bugs? 8-)
[09:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: how do you workarround the joystick.h error in kdebase ?
[09:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't seem to find a solution for the kxmame package
[09:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: you should theorically get the same issue in kcontrol, unless there is a fix in the code.....
[09:28] <Tonio_> _Sime: I have an easier one :)
[09:28] <Tonio_> _Sime: blank folder when browsing a cd in konq :)
[09:28] <Tonio_> _Sime: still waiting :)
[09:28] <tvo> Tonio_: maybe s/__s64/long long/ as a fix?  (assuming the devs want signed 64 bit integer)
[09:28] <Tonio_> and yes, jdong has very complicated issues, I agree :)
[09:29] <_Sime> Tonio_: cd = audio cd or CDROM?
[09:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: I just don't compile it
[09:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah........ hehe :)
[09:29] <Tonio_> tvo: that's an idea, I'll investigate.
[09:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: heh, that's not possible in my case, but I'll search ;)
[09:30] <Tonio_> _Sime: audiocd
[09:30] <Tonio_> _Sime: when I insert an audio cd and wanna browse it with konq, I just get an empty folder, when audiocd:/ protocol works
[09:30] <_Sime> Tonio_: browsing in the FS with konq?
[09:31] <Tonio_> _Sime: yes, browsing /media/cdrom0
[09:31] <_Sime> Tonio_: step by step, explain?
[09:31] <Tonio_> _Sime: I just insert an audio cd, then get the screen to choose action, and I choose "open with konqueror"
[09:31] <Tonio_> that opens /media/cdrom0, but the folder is empty
[09:31] <_Sime> ok, gotcha
[09:31] <Tonio_> same if I browse with the system applet, of course :)
[09:33] <Tonio_> tvo, Riddell: found a topic with a kde dev suggesting to build without -ansi
[09:33] <Tonio_> seems to work, but I need to test the app deeply
[09:35] <tvo> ah probably __s64 is some sort of gcc extension then
[09:36] <Tonio_> tvo: probably....
[09:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we ping benC concerning this issue ?
[09:37] <Tonio_> hum, yes building without -ansi works perfectly...... I'm just wondering the potential consequences.....
[09:37] <_Sime> Tonio_: ok, I've just those things up on the wiki (=TODO list).
[09:38] <Tonio_> _Sime: you already had that bug no ?
[09:38] <Tonio_> _Sime: I already reported to you a few weeks ago
[09:38] <_Sime> Tonio_: yes, but I forget things a lot.
[09:38] <Tonio_> _Sime: hehe :)
[09:41] <_Sime> it's not that funny actually :-|
[09:41] <_Sime> just kidding. :) I do forget a lot though... out of sight, out of mind with me
[09:42] <jdong> Tonio_ / _Sime: hehe, funny :)
[09:42] <jdong> I'll think of some easier bugs for you
[09:43] <Tonio_> :)
[09:44] <_Sime> has anyone had any luck with pluging in digital cameras on dapper?
[09:45] <_Sime> I tried yesterday with a couple and it just did not work properly.
[09:45] <Hawkwind> _Sime: I plug mine in all the time.  However, I don't use KDE so it doesn't automount which is how I like it actually
[09:46] <jdong> _Sime: is it a libgphoto camera or USB mass storage camera?
[09:46] <jdong> that makes a big difference
[09:46] <jdong> dapper's libgphoto is a bit antiquated....
[09:46] <jdong> I've wanted to backport, but didn't dare to :)
 marseillai: usb keys are either inserted and ready, or removed//ready to be removed. That is model that we are trying to achieve. ------->> yes but some computer don't have front usb port so it can be hard to unplug/plug usb devices. and more than that i don't see the problem that can be cause by enable the possibility to show that if it's not the default setting ?
[09:49] <marseillai> sorry for the delay
[09:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: I did submit a bug
[09:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: he says it's KDE's fault (and KDE says it's linux's fault)
[10:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: well everyone on the web says it is kernel-header issue
[10:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: could be interesting to build kde without -ansi, since it helps building correctly.... I just wonder the consequences of this.....
[10:02] <_Sime> jdong: libgphoto I think. I has working the past using KDE's camera:/
[10:02] <jdong> my camera was quite buggy with dapper's libgphoto
[10:02] <jdong> svn builds helped :D
[10:03] <_Sime> jdong: is libgphoto updated in edgy?
[10:04] <jdong> _Sime: considerably, yes
[10:04] <jdong> I've not used my camera's usb cable in a while though
[10:05] <jdong> (sd card reader now works in edgy. yay)
[10:18] <marseillai> _Sime: i'm wondering. is it due to your patch on kio media:/ that several option has disappear from this configuration windows : ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/kicker1.png for "support de stockage" kicker applets ?
[10:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: I was wondering concerning the "icons to show on the desktop", did you touch this to only give the possibility to check "mounted devices" ?
[10:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: half of the icons have dissapered
[10:23] <_Sime> Tonio_: yes, and I would have removed the string "mounted" from the titles if the freeze wasn't no.
[10:24] <_Sime> s/no/on/
[10:24] <Tonio_> _Sime: see this : http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/capture13.png
[10:24] <Tonio_> _Sime: that can cause a few issues concerning usability
[10:25] <Tonio_> imagin I create an nfs mount point
[10:25] <Tonio_> _Sime: Then I want to see it unmounted, so that I can double click on it and it mounts automatically
[10:25] <Tonio_> _Sime: how to do this if I can't display this ?
[10:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: shouldn't we configure this in kde, but let the possibility for the user to display it if he wants ?
[10:26] <_Sime> Tonio_: you should be able to mount it in /media using a right-mouse menu. But yeah, I need to have a closer look at that w.r.t. nfs and paritions.
[10:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: I personnally don't use this, I browse nfs with kios
[10:27] <_Sime> Tonio_: I might have removed too much..
[10:27] <Tonio_> _Sime: how to mount it in /media ?
[10:27] <Tonio_> I don't see the point
[10:27] <Tonio_> another solution is to use nfs:/ ioslave
[10:30] <Tonio_> _Sime: note that I agree to remove "unmounted floppy, cdrom dvd" etc......
[10:30] <Tonio_> I just think that partitions and network shares should appear :)
[10:31] <_Sime> right click on the mount point in /media.
[10:33] <Tonio_> _Sime: if you create a NFS mountpoint on kde desktop, via right click, create new, blabla, will it appear in /media ?
[10:33] <_Sime> Tonio_: don't know, I don't think I've ever done that. :)
[10:34] <Tonio_> _Sime: hehe, that's why :)
[10:34] <Tonio_> those don't appear in /media :)
[10:34] <Tonio_> _Sime: that's why we should remove those options in kdesktop config concerning NFS and partitions
[10:45] <Tonio_> _Sime: another option is to remove the possibility to create a NFS peripherical
[10:45] <Tonio_> _Sime: kio smb doesn the trick
[10:45] <Tonio_> kio nfs, sorry
[10:50] <Tonio_> _Sime: I must say that if I had to vote, I would vote to remote the possibility to create this too....
[10:50] <Tonio_> that's even more simple
[11:51] <goldenear> I can't install the kde 4 package in edgy... some packages are reported to be corrupted (wrong size)...
[11:54] <goldenear> kde4libs-data_3.80.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb and kdepim libs are reported to have wrong size by apt-get install :(
[11:54] <goldenear> Riddell: do you manage the deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde4-3.80.1/ . repository ?
[12:02] <Ingmar^> was there any recent change to the xv extension that would cause me to have dropped frames in all video players I installed (vlc, kaffeine & mplayer ) ??
[12:02] <Ingmar^> or am I facing a config issue