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[03:58] Nice ! [03:58] just updated and came gnome-applets 2.16.1 [03:59] thanks guys really great Job === CarlFK [n=carl@c-24-13-53-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-85-156.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@dedibox1.famille-corbier.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.231.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kinema [n=adam@c-71-236-182-199.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:33] I'm looking for documentation and/or specifications on how deb package repositories are formatted. [05:33] Directory hierarchies, packages.gz, etc... [05:36] never mind.. i just found the repository howto at debian [05:38] morning [05:39] hey fabbione [05:39] hey Hobbsee === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@adsl-69-153-129-17.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] holy crap the git tree looks busy :) [06:13] am I reading correctly that edgy will have HT off by default, can be enabled via ht=on? === BlingBonk] [n=Wonton@219-89-11-254.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D95E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] jdong: it has been like that since hoary or breezy [06:15] jdong: that's to circumvent an hw security flow in ht design [06:15] fabbione: oh, ok [06:15] jdong: we can't fix it, but we can leave the option to the users [06:15] neither upstream is interested in working around a hw bug [06:15] fabbione: thanks for the info... yeah I remember reading about that somewhere [06:16] Anyone Heard of Richard Stallman [06:16] no problem === jdong thinks it should be mentioned in the release notes though [06:16] just as a thought [06:16] jdong: no, it's something that has been there forever [06:16] pointless [06:16] ok === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@c-71-198-75-160.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D95E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.5.12.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:25] tfheen: ping? === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@194.50.115.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-218-185-9-170.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Norgz [n=eroux@maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=metal_ja@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@180.Red-88-18-199.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-9129f35bd3283a1e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BlingBonk] [n=Wonton@219-89-11-254.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trickie [n=nick@basesoft.demon.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mayday_jay [n=metal_ja@maydayjay.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B29B2B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a81-14-180-182.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] fabbione: hello [09:03] heyya [09:03] tfheen: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/xorg.debdiff <- [09:05] fabbione: uh, that looks bogus. [09:05] ? [09:05] hmm, no [09:05] sorry, mea culpa. [09:05] ok, go ahead. [09:05] ok thanks === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] ajmitch: krb5-auth-dialog <-- this SoC work? [09:13] Burgundavia: that's RH code [09:13] I have to resubmit other code to NEW === Zdra [n=zdra@127.225-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === morgs [n=morgan@dsl-165-240-216.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host217-44-6-189.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] tfheen: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/xserver-xorg-video-ati.debdiff <- the debdiff looks huge because i did fix some packaging errors but the real changes are much more contained. [09:40] fabbione: you're aware that we're not in "everything must be reviewed before upload" mode just yet? I don't know that code well enough to judge, so if you want a second pair of eyes, better to ask rodarvus === heno [n=henrik@ti200720a080-3704.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] tfheen: yes i am aware.. i am confident about the changes. i just wanted to make sure changes were not too intrusive [09:44] fabbione: that's hard to say when I don't know the code base. :-) [09:44] fair enough :) === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] morning === TMM [n=hp@ip5650d1ab.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-82-135-5-176.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] elmo: ping === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-85-156.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home3 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] uhh [10:06] what the fuck is up with the wiki? [10:06] I just edited a page, and it errored, and then DELETED the page [10:06] Keybuk: welcome to the wiki [10:06] moin + disk full? [10:06] luckily the page history is still there, and can be restored [10:06] how? [10:07] the get info linki [10:07] some crazy people subscribe to the whole wiki, too [10:07] however, you cannot restore the page until the saving bug is fixed [10:07] Burgundavia: "Missing 'current' file" when I try that [10:08] Keybuk: you can view the old revision there [10:08] Keybuk, grab a large heavy object and chase the canonical sysadmins === morgs [n=morgan@dsl-165-240-216.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:09] Seveas: indeed. He works for the people AND is in the same country [10:10] and I know where they live [10:10] someone should warn them for an incoming keybuk === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-dff3f75fa329c644] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] "One guided Keybuk coming at 12:00 O'clock. His considered armed and dangerous" === Seveas enters the nuclear bunker [10:13] Seveas: what? a bunker made out of enriched uranium? :P [10:13] hehe === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Rico [n=rjh@chaffinch.netcraft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@mut38-4-82-233-119-151.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robban [n=a@193.69.156.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] Any date when an official cd will be released with this fix? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/57265 [10:38] Malone bug 57265 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Return value of slave_configure in scsi_scan.c is ignored" [Undecided,Fix committed] [10:39] syndicate scott# modprobe nvidia [10:39] Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [10:39] \o/ [10:39] mjg59: ^ [10:40] Keybuk: hi. could you sync pilot-link (bug #63654), it's required to fix the ftbfs on evolution? [10:40] Malone bug 63654 in pilot-link "Please sync pilot-link (main) from unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63654 [10:41] seb128: yeah, it's archive day today [10:41] just fixing up this first [10:41] ok :) [10:49] Keybuk: Thanks! [10:50] hmm.. LaptopTestingTeam has vanished from the wiki [10:50] Burgundavia? [10:50] mjg59: [10:50] install if cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf 2>/dev/null | tr A-Z a-z | sed -n -e '/^[ \t] *section[ \t] *"device"/,/^[ \t] *endsection/{/^[ \t] *driver[ \t] */{s/^[ \t] *driver[ \t] *"*//;s/"*[ \t] *$//;p}}' | grep -q -w nvidia; then modprobe --ignore-install -Qb nvidia; else echo "Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf" 1>&2; fi [10:50] Keybuk: Needs te same for nvidia-legacy [10:50] mjg59: I did [10:50] But other than that, hurrah [10:50] Rock [10:50] And fglrx? [10:51] we could do fglrx [10:51] <_ion> Doesn't \s work as [ \t] in sed? I might remember wrong. [10:51] _ion: no [10:51] <_ion> Ok. [10:51] and that isn't a useless-use-of-cat-award either [10:51] cat is used so I can capture and hide the "file not found" message, without losing any parsing error messages === givr1 [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-51-208.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] <_ion> mjg59: Feeling better now? [10:54] _ion: no, [[:space:] ] does though [10:54] <_ion> kamion: Yep. :-) [10:54] Kamion: that took longer to type :p [10:54] robban: not at present, since a fixed package hasn't even been uploaded yet === Zdra_ [n=zdra@68.240-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] _ion: Somewhat [10:55] robban: we have no schedule for a second point release of dapper at present [10:55] Lots of real world work to do, but I'll try to take a look at usplash [10:55] Kamion: it also only obeys the first use of [[:space:] ] [10:55] Keybuk: huh? [10:55] if you do ^[[:space:] ] *section[[:space:] ] * [10:55] it won't expand the second one [10:55] seriously? that's a rather crap bug [10:55] something to do with "performance reasons" [10:56] _ion: Which bug number has your patch? [10:56] I'll try to fit that in today [10:56] <_ion> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/62865/comments/1 [10:56] Malone bug 62865 in usplash "1024x768 with nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE: "screen init failed"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [10:56] Kamion: Having thought about things, it might be the case that we want usplash's resolution algorithm to be dependent on whether the machine is a laptop or not [10:57] Kamion: vesa sometimes uses different timings to X. If we use the X modes on machines with analogue outputs, there's more of a chance of us going outside the monitor's frequency range [10:59] we need to order things such that usplash is configured after X anyway, so I'm not too bothered about the exact details of what usplash.postinst does [10:59] I'll try to sort that out this week [10:59] mjg59: what's the fglrx source package, module name and X driver name? [10:59] Keybuk: xorg-driver-fglrx, fglrx, fglrx [11:00] Treenaks: the wiki is currently having major issues [11:01] Burgundavia: quite.. === azeem_ is now known as azeem [11:03] mjg59: which source does the module come in? [11:03] Keybuk: linux-restricted-modules [11:03] it doesn't have an equivalent of nvidia-kernel-common ? [11:04] No [11:06] ok [11:06] I guess you can only install the X driver once :) === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.160] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] has anyone seen this: [11:09] apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: invalid ELF header [11:09] it nly happened on one of my machines, dist-upgrade failed and reruning gives that [11:14] seaLne: What does file /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 say? [11:15] symbolic link to `libstdc++.so.6.0.8' [11:15] seaLne: And file /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.8? [11:15] and its data [11:15] Your libstdc++ is corrupt somehow [11:15] yeah different md5sum [11:16] any suggestions? [11:17] Reinstall it [11:17] & run fsck when you can [11:19] http://rafb.net/paste/results/izapeC23.html [11:20] <_ion> Your HDD seems seriously corrupted. [11:21] ok, if its just my problem thats good === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm61.omega22.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@82.211.81.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] ah, this must be some new definition of "good" I wasn't previously aware of [11:29] bad for me good for everyone else :-/ === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk starts l-r-m building on his laptop [11:30] this should save on heating bills === _ion recently built l-r-m to test the new nvidia beta driver. [11:31] <_ion> It was too buggy. :-) === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] Kamion: Ok, thanks === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@194.50.115.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [i=till@nat/mandriva/x-14f7c9390f1999a0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] Keybuk: does debian-change-only syncs (no new upstream tarball) requires UVF too now? [12:03] I was looking at bug 62824 [12:03] Malone bug 62824 in mayavi "[Sync Request] mayavi 1.5-4 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62824 [12:03] no [12:04] I may not have had my glasses on there :) [12:04] Keybuk: thanks [12:05] how can I make initramfs a bit more verbose on boot so I can see where it is dying? [12:05] Keybuk: hi ! I was searching for someone who could promote a few packages to main... [12:05] Keybuk: they all have been accepted by pitti already [12:06] Tonio_: are they seeded? [12:07] Keybuk: yes [12:07] which packages? [12:07] ajmitch: remove "quiet" [12:07] Keybuk: digikam is seeded, the 2 other packages are dependancies [12:07] Keybuk: source packages are : digikam, dcraw, libkexif [12:07] Tonio_: ok, they'll be done today then [12:07] Keybuk: already removed [12:07] same for binaries [12:08] not booting with usplash, so I don't think I'm running into the nvidia bug there [12:08] Keybuk: source package digikam also produces binary "showphoto", but this one can stay in universe [12:08] I'll try with another kernel [12:08] Keybuk: thanks! [12:09] seaLne, have you just tried rebooting and see if the problem goes away? I had exactly the same problem with some of the edgy kernels, random libraries were corrupted, but were fine again after a reboot. [12:09] ogra: are you going the fix the "opengl screensavers should be used only on boxes with graphical acceleration available" issue for edgy? === mneptok [n=mneptok@mneptok.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok jumps up and down on ogra [12:10] olemke: yeah i rebooted but still the same problem, running badblocks to see if there is actually a disk problem === RicardoPerez [n=A@84-122-157-132.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] seaLne, ok, then it might be really a hardware problem :-( [12:11] hm, might have just been the xen kernel I was using, something else to complain to zul_ about :) [12:11] olemke: few week old disk... *shrug* [12:11] ok, wiki should be back now - no data or changes were lost, but RecentChanges for the last 10 hours is missing - the history on individual pages is still retained though [12:12] thanks, elmo [12:13] BenC: uh - there's no linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-powerpc64-smp, so should linux-restricted-modules-powerpc64-smp maybe be removed again? === Rico_ [n=rjh@chaffinch.netcraft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-51-208.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] Keybuk: bug 50811, which ones? [12:19] Malone bug 50811 in libservlet2.4-java "Broken Dependancy" [Undecided,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50811 [12:21] the change to use java-gcj-compat ? === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-51-208.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:21] doko_: https://launchpad.net/people/doko/+packages lists a number of build failures under "Uploaded packages", which appear to be part of what's causing openoffice.org-gcj to be uninstallable. Could you look at those? [12:21] you didn't respond when asked [12:22] libxalan2-java, libxerces2-java, bsh are the ones I noticed [12:22] Keybuk: you did? [12:23] Kamion: will do, although it's bank holiday === herzi [n=herzi@pD9E2AD83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] doko: you're subscribed to that bug, and there's a comment asking for your opinion === jinty [n=jinty@214.pool85-50-135.dynamic.uni2.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] doko_: whenever it's convenient [12:24] Keybuk: so dholbach's "go ahead" was not good enough? anyway, I'll look at it [12:24] doko: no [12:25] doko_, Keybuk: I think you guys misunderstood each other. Keybuk is rejecting because it can't be synced, as we need -3ubuntu1 instead of -3 to keep ubuntu changes, right? === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-217-058.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-50-7.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] minghua: right [12:28] any reason beagle binary is to universe? [12:28] from my reading of the report, it needs to be merged, and not sync'd [12:28] and dholbach merely approved that [12:28] beagle-dev and src package are to main [12:28] seb128: it's in anastacia output, so I'm gonna look at it in a bit [12:28] oh, duh. the Germans are all off today. [12:28] seb128: I just promoted it about two minutes before you said that :) [12:28] Kamion: thank you [12:29] (was cleaning up CD uninstallables) [12:29] Kamion rules [12:29] could somebody give a retry to nautilus and yelp builds then? ;) [12:29] they failed because beagle-dev was not uninstallable (it Depends on beagle) [12:30] (we still cant find the DD to tell us why he did so) [12:30] it was never that way before === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-51-208.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] if we can revert it beagle binary could be demoted if that was intentional === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] seb128, i'll surely look into it, but i cant promise it will be non intrusive enough to enter edgy [12:40] mneptok, ouch, my back [12:44] slomo or siretart: around? [12:44] mneptok: sent [12:44] mneptok: hope it's understandable and readable :-) === Kamion makes another effort to figure out why anastacia wants to promote type-handling [12:45] Keybuk: yes, (sort of) [12:45] Keybuk: did you promote jack-audio-connection-kit and friends? [12:45] or did you fix whatever was pulling them in? [12:45] Kamion: neither [12:45] must've gone away by itself [12:46] siretart: network-manager-pptp is in NEW [12:46] does this have a freeze exception? === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] Keybuk: didn't the first upload predate the freeze? [12:46] 102437 | S- | network-manager-pptp | 0.6.3+cvs20060819-0u | two days [12:46] 101122 | S- | network-manager-pptp | 0.6.3+cvs20060819-0u | five days [12:47] Kamion: it was after the mail went out [12:47] ah, didn't check that closely [12:47] several hours after [12:48] Keybuk: I don't remember a malone bug about it. who uploaded it? === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B29B2B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] Ngh. [12:49] siretart: nobody I've heard of [12:49] hm [12:49] Has the network-manager "Create network" feature ever worked? [12:49] oh, heh, I think type-handling is a subtle germinate bug to do with % (whole-source) processing [12:49] Because it really doesn't seem to now [12:49] mjg59: yes, it does [12:49] mjg59: yes [12:49] well, it did [12:49] but that doesn't do what you think [12:49] that creates an ad-hoc network with that name [12:49] would it be possible for the dapper-backports -changes to contain the changelog compared to the previous version? [12:49] Keybuk: yes, I have done this before [12:49] siretart: Craig Box [12:50] now the changelogs are useless, since they only have "automated backport upload..". Where to file a bug? [12:51] ubuntu-meta? [12:51] Keybuk: Yes, that's what I'd expected [12:51] Instead, I got it appearing to attempt to DHCP [12:51] mjg59: oh, then yes, it seems to work [12:51] yeah it does that [12:51] and when the dhcp fails, it falls back to a link-local [12:52] And finally timing out and dropping back to there being no network [12:52] oh [12:52] giftnudel: no, ubuntu-meta is almost never the right place [12:52] it's entirely possible all that is broken in Ubuntu :) [12:52] Keybuk: Heh [12:52] tepsipakki: file it without a source package and subscribe ubuntu-archive - it's a script that we haven't got round to getting into soyuz yet [12:52] Keybuk: It'd be good if someone else could give it a quick check, and make sure it's not just me [12:52] Kamion: well, I thought for such stuff not belonging to a package [12:52] giftnudel: no [12:53] Kamion: ok, will do [12:53] giftnudel: if it doesn't belong to a source package, don't enter a source package at all [12:53] oh, ok [12:53] giftnudel: otherwise the few things that really do belong to ubuntu-meta get buried in crap [12:53] right, that shows Ubuntu, correct? [12:53] yes [12:53] mjg59: the only laptop I have here is this one [12:53] (in a working state, that is) [12:53] Kamion: well, I forgot you can file a bug without a package, thanks [12:56] Keybuk: first nm-pptp upload predated the freeze by several hours [12:56] Keybuk: never heared about him as well [12:56] ajmitch: it still appears to post-date it for me [12:56] Keybuk: at least I recall uploading it in the morning before the freeze was announced [12:57] oh hmm [12:57] maybe you're right [12:58] ajmitch: gktools rejected; copying, the source files, and debian/copyright disagree [12:59] Nice! [12:59] hm [12:59] I thought I'd checked that one over === ajmitch kicks self === Rico_ [n=rjh@chaffinch.netcraft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] Keybuk: just the missing LGPL eggtryicon.*? === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:01] ajmitch: COPYING is GPL [01:01] source is LGPL [01:02] this requires upstream intervention [01:02] And debian/copyright says MIT? :-P [01:02] I must have been blind there [01:02] I'll try & track them down === Keybuk blinks [01:02] I like this one [01:02] the author has pasted their standard GPL preamble at the top of every source file [01:02] including those copied from gettext [01:03] tfheen: are you at work today? === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] herzi: yes [01:08] herzi, we didnt unite with norway yet so there is no bank holiday :) [01:10] germans... === thekorn [n=markus@a81-14-180-182.net-htp.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:11] heh [01:11] we'll see if the gktools author responds.. [01:11] simira, it would gain you an extra fee day ;) [01:12] *free [01:13] mneptok: did my email reach you ? [01:20] lfittl: ping? [01:21] tfheen: can you take a look at the casper bug report on launchpad then, please? [01:21] herzi: which bug? [01:21] the one i asked you about on sunday === vorbote [n=camael@unaffiliated/vorbote] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] Keybuk: pong [01:22] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/63277 [01:22] Malone bug 63277 in casper "Doesn't work from USB devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [01:22] lfittl: I'm rejecting glest and glest-data I'm afraid [01:22] herzi: have you tried with today's daily? [01:22] glest is GPL 2, but glest-data has no permission for modification [01:23] so glest-data could go into multiverse [01:23] but the strict dependency between the two implies a GPL violation to me [01:23] Keybuk: hmm [01:23] if it were a suggests, and glest could function without the data, then I wouldn't have a problem [01:23] Keybuk: and how about putting glest into multiverse as well? === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] Keybuk: GPL violation also applies to art and code? [01:24] lfittl: like I said, the fact there's a dependency there implies a GPL violation to me === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] the two aren't functionally different entities [01:24] so shipping them together means that the data must be GPL also, under the terms of the GPL [01:24] Keybuk: ok, thats unfortunate, will try to contact upstream about that, thanks [01:24] if the data could be replaced, or glest could work without it, then I would agree that they were different things [01:24] yep, understood [01:25] sivang: it did, thanks. [01:25] sivang: i will pass along the action items [01:25] I'm erring on a slightly strict side of "intent of the licence" rather than "letter of the licence" === mneptok tootles off for home [01:25] tfheen: no, not yet === mneptok [n=mneptok@mneptok.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:25] tfheen: is that supposed to be fixed? [01:26] Keybuk: what would be your proposed solution for upstream? release the art under a different license? [01:26] lfittl: release the art under a licence that permits modification [01:26] and GPL compatible, obviously [01:26] herzi: yes === JB[away] [n=as@c167176.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] given their current text of the art licence permits more free distribution than the GPL allows, I suggest MIT [01:26] or just GPL the artwork [01:27] k, and if they don't want to do that, we need at least some sample art that has a gpl compatible license [01:27] then they should release the source under a different (or dual) licence, such that we are permitted to distribute it with the artwork [01:27] Keybuk: @ https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gaim-librvp/+bug/63684 <-- remove the one that's in the archive. [01:27] Malone bug 63684 in gaim-librvp "Please remove gaim-librvp from the archive" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:28] Hobbsee: which one is in the archive? [01:28] 0.8-1 [01:28] BZZZT [01:28] incorrect answer [01:28] the version for 2.x hasnt been written yet :P [01:28] 0.9-1 is in the archive [01:28] it just hasn't built [01:28] right, so my system.... [01:28] ah. i checked that originally [01:28] just cheated and ran apt-cache policy to check [01:28] indeed, you're right. [01:29] lfittl: ironically, it's distribution that's the problem -- if we didn't attempt to distribute the artwork at all, and it was up to the user to download it an put it in the right place, then I wouldn't be concerned either [01:29] because then we're not violating the GPL by forcing GPL and non-free packages together [01:29] we're just shipping an incomplete (but free) source :) [01:32] heh, I always hate license problems ;) === thekorn [n=markus@a81-14-180-182.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] Kamion: There should be. The last lrm upload I did enabled it === tortoise_ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vorbote [n=camael@unaffiliated/vorbote] has left #ubuntu-devel ["vorbote] [01:40] Keybuk: well, I got a quick reply on the gktools issue :) === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] BenC: ah, it failed to build: http://librarian.launchpad.net/4625766/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-powerpc.linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17_2.6.17.5-8_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [01:44] Kamion: Ok, I'll fix that and reupload [01:44] thanks [01:44] hmm [01:45] no madwifi for ppc64 === StevenK idly wonders how much hard drive space the librarian has kicking around. [01:45] am i supposed to have the ppc *and* the ppc64 linux-image on the powerpc CD [01:45] Does anyone know where pitti is? [01:45] shawarma: holiday in .de today [01:45] ogra: Yeah, it can dual boot [01:45] ogra: yes [01:45] ajmitch: so back tomorrow? [01:46] shawarma: I'd presume so, I can't be certain though :) [01:46] ajmitch: Ok, that's fine. thanks. [01:49] sigh, trying to convince an upstream of licensing problems is tedious [01:56] ajmitch: i hope it isnt RML [01:57] nope [01:57] damn, should have plugged the laptop in [01:57] you mentioned to me missing gpl header, i told him in person [01:57] he was not thrilled [01:57] heh [01:57] g-p-m didn't warn me of battery going flat [01:58] is there any way to turn off the beep, tw [01:58] btw [01:58] what beep? [02:01] Kamion: when you get a sec. with livecd installer grub gets put on MBR correct? I always get an error 15 file not found after grub comes up i choose ubuntu. this is dual boot with win 2k pro and edgy [02:02] anybody got an idea about https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/63398 ? It's clearly not a casper bug. I could just say "mdadm and lvm2 were removed on purpose, rejected" [02:02] Malone bug 63398 in casper "[regression] live cd doesn't support lvm/md (software raid) devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-088-064-163-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a81-14-180-182.net-htp.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === smurf [n=smurf@debian/developer/smurf] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] gnomefreak: yes, it goes on the MBR. I think you might need somebody who can cope with grub better than I can === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] Kamion: ok ty [02:27] gnomefreak: could be it's pointing at the wrong device or something [02:28] ill look into it i have to set edgy up on other pc this week so i will see if it happens on that one too. i didnt know if this was a bug that was known. i couldnt locate any on LP about it === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d81-211-228-83.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-2a634b9f43a3287e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] Howdy folks [02:39] hi bddebian === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-66-238.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:39] hmm [02:39] Hello seb128 [02:39] when a printer doesn't actually print anything [02:39] that means it's broken? [02:39] Keybuk, infinity: could you give a build retry to nautilus, yelp, evolution ? [02:40] Keybuk: Won't print a test page from itself? [02:40] bddebian: it prints it [02:40] but doesn't actually put any ink on the paper [02:40] Change the toner/ink? ;-) [02:41] could be a dry inkwell [02:41] seb128: edgy? [02:41] bddebian: done that [02:41] Keybuk: Is it a laser or ink jet? [02:42] ink jet [02:42] Hmm [02:42] You pulled the little plastic strip off the cartridges? === bddebian ducks [02:42] there wasn't one [02:43] Sorry, does it have a head cleaning option, or can you see any gunk built up on the head? [02:43] yea thats what i was gonna say check the heads ( if its not one that has new heads on the ink carts ) [02:43] Keybuk: yep === heno [n=henrik@ti200720a080-3704.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] bddebian: from fixyourownprinter.com, it seems it's a common problem with this printer model [02:47] and it's a hardware failure [02:50] Joy === Rico- [n=rjh@chaffinch.netcraft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanZZZ === ArtVandalae [n=saron@ppp91-231.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ti200720a080-4376.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] doko: libjfreechart-java will need a rebuild? [03:10] likewise libjcommon-java === froud [n=froud@dsl-145-39-98.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:13] Tonio_: ping === moi1392 [n=cedric@ambre.loria.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] hello, I have a feature request for ubuntu and want to submit it here before launchpad to be sure it make sense [03:17] moi1392: hi [03:17]