[01:47] <Russell> !time
[06:53] <frodon> hi
[06:54] <zakame> hello frodon 
[06:54] <tseliot> hi guys ;)
[06:54] <frodon> hi tseliot ;)
[06:54] <lophyte> howdy all
[06:55] <zakame> hi tseliot lophyte 
[06:56] <joejaxx> lophyte: hello
[06:56] <lophyte> hey joejaxx
[06:56] <lophyte> long time no see
[06:56] <joejaxx> yes
[06:57] <gnomefreak> bot seems a bit eager to start
[06:57] <juliux> hi all
[06:58] <zakame> yo pitti keescook LaserJock juliux 
[06:58] <juliux> hi zakame 
[06:58] <pitti> hi zakame 
[06:58] <keescook> hiya zakame 
[06:59] <zakame> been a while since I've attended a CC hehe
[06:59] <joejaxx> hello LaserJock 
[06:59] <Ekushey> the meeting started already?
[06:59] <LaserJock> hi everyvody
[06:59] <juliux> hi LaserJock 
[06:59] <gnomefreak> no
[06:59] <matid> Hello everyone
[07:00] <zakame> not yet, a couple of minutes to go
[07:02] <sivang> hello all
[07:02] <pitti> dholbach: Alter!
[07:02] <keescook> hiya dholbach
[07:02] <dholbach> pitti: Hello! - hello everybody else
[07:02] <gnomefreak> hi dholbach 
[07:02] <juliux> hi dholbach 
[07:03] <zakame> hi dholbach, sivang :D
[07:03] <matid> dholbach: hi
[07:03] <tseliot> hi
[07:03] <zakame> sivang: hehe I missed hat :)
[07:03] <zakame> *that
[07:04] <zakame> when's the coming hug day again?
[07:04] <Ekushey> okkkk
[07:04] <Ekushey> i'm lagging badly
[07:04] <sivang> I'm always in place to revive old traditions ;-)
[07:04] <dholbach> zakame: tomorrow
[07:04] <zakame> Ekushey: don't worry, I'm having bad lag too
[07:04] <zakame> dholbach: w00t
[07:05] <zakame> hi mako
[07:05] <sivang> no lags here still, but they will come
[07:05] <pitti> hey elmo
[07:05] <nixternal> hello everyone!
[07:05] <zakame> yo elmo
[07:05] <zakame> hi nixternal 
[07:05] <tseliot> hi
[07:05] <tomveens> hello
[07:06] <matid> Hi seb128
[07:06] <seb128> hi
[07:06] <zakame> hi seb128
[07:06] <tseliot> hi
[07:06] <zakame> now this is what I love in these meeings, the `hi all' part :)
[07:06] <sebastean> hi zakame ;)
[07:06] <keescook> heh
[07:07] <tomveens> hey joejaxx
[07:07] <zakame> yo sebastean 
[07:07] <joejaxx> tomveens: hello
[07:08] <zakame> hi jenda 
[07:09] <mako> alright
[07:09] <elmo> I've SMSed kamion
[07:09] <mako> alright
[07:10] <Ekushey> isn't it meeting time?
[07:10] <zakame> Ekushey: it is now
[07:11] <Ekushey> zakame: oh ok!
[07:11] <gnomefreak> Ekushey: we are waiting for a few people
[07:11] <mako> elmo: and mark?
[07:12] <Ekushey> gnomefreak: ok!
[07:13] <tomveens> You think there is time to buy a pack of sigarettes?
[07:13] <zakame> tomveens: buy quickly
[07:13] <elmo> ok, so kamion is unavailable for at least 20 minutes.  however, mark is around. he's just walking over to his flat, should be with us in 5 minutes or so
[07:14] <Ekushey> lol depends on how far the shop is
[07:14] <zakame> hi robitaille 
[07:14] <robitaille> Hi zakame 
[07:14] <elmo> sorry about this
[07:15] <zakame> elmo: about? delay?
[07:15] <superm1> so guys we gonna shoot for <3 hours this time? :)
[07:16] <zakame> superm1: heh misread that as <3 <- heart
[07:16] <superm1> haha
[07:16] <highvoltage> is CC meeting over?
[07:16] <gnomefreak> highvoltage: waiting to start
[07:17] <zakame> highvoltage: LOL
[07:17] <jenda> highvoltage: great idea - let's call it a day :)
[07:19] <highvoltage> :)
[07:19] <mako> i'm going to have to leave at UTC18
[07:19] <mako> but if both kamion and sabdfl show up, that should be fine
[07:19] <elmo> kamion should be back by UTC18
[07:25] <Ekushey> zakame: drink tea
[07:27] <Seveas> meeting not started?
[07:27] <mako> waiting for a third
[07:27] <Seveas> ok
[07:28] <zakame> Ekushey: hmm, I think I have some iced tea in the fridge.ubuntu.com
[07:28] <zakame> Ekushey: hmm, I think I have some iced tea in the fridge.ubuntu.cerr ESUBS
[07:28] <matid> ;)
[07:28] <Seveas> then I made it after all
[07:28] <joejaxx> hello Seveas 
[07:28] <zakame> yo Seveas 
[07:29] <sivang> hey Seveas 
[07:29] <tomveens> Back with the sigarettes, missed something?
[07:29] <Seveas> mako, did you read my e-mail regarding Rolando Blanco?
[07:29] <gnomefreak> tomveens: not yet
[07:29] <zakame> tomveens: not a mss at all
[07:29] <highvoltage> hey se	
[07:29] <sivang> hey highvoltage 
[07:30] <tomveens> Who is the VIP we are waiting for?
[07:30] <highvoltage> hey sivang :)
[07:30] <mako> Seveas: yes
[07:30] <zakame> tomveens: make that two, kamion and sabdfl
[07:31] <zakame> hi Kamion :D
[07:31] <gnomefreak> make that 1
[07:31] <matid> mako: If you're around and we have some time - did you get my email asking for a review of my membership application? ;)
[07:31] <Kamion> right, sorry about that
[07:31] <matid> Hello Kamion
[07:31] <tomveens> I want to thank them for giving me time buying siggies
[07:31] <gnomefreak> hi Kamion ompaul 
[07:32] <zakame> yo ompaul 
[07:32] <elmo> ok, let's get started
[07:33] <elmo> We'll skip the IRC item .. again
[07:33] <Seveas> 
[07:33] <elmo> do we need to revisit the localisation / translation team leader thing yet?
[07:33] <elmo> Seveas: mark isn't here
[07:33] <Seveas> elmo, I know, that's why I typed the smiley
[07:34] <elmo> Seveas: oh - that looked like a '?' in my broken client
[07:34] <zakame> it is a ?
[07:34] <mako> i just assumed you were saying "tu"
[07:34] <tomveens> Who has a broken client?
[07:34] <Seveas> ah, sorry about that, I'll cut down on my unicode addiction. Anyway, what do people actually want from the CC regarding the localization business?
[07:35] <elmo> I'm not sure - let's skip it for now, I'll talk to Mark OOB
[07:35] <makl10n> elmo: before you move ofrward I want to draw your attention toward my nomination
[07:35] <elmo> makl10n: for the localization?  sure, did you want to say something about it?
[07:36] <Kamion> makl10n: which one are you? just trying to map IRC nicks to wikinames
[07:36] <Seveas> Mahay Alam Khan
[07:37] <Kamion> ok
[07:37] <makl10n> Seveas: yap
[07:37] <makl10n> shall I change my nick
[07:37] <Kamion> no
[07:37] <Kamion> makl10n: would be nice if you set up your client so that /whois told us your name, though
[07:37] <Kamion> doesn't require changing your nick
[07:38] <zakame> hmm we forgot that; who's who?
[07:38] <makl10n> me using a bad client, can't find the option 
[07:39] <makl10n> better change my nick.........
[07:39] <Seveas> makl10n, what did you want to say regarding your nomination?
[07:39] <Kamion> don't worry about the IRC configuration business now - we know who you are now
[07:39] <xmakl10n> I want to withdraw my name ......... I
[07:40] <makl10n> I thought you were having a tab complition conflict with mako
[07:41] <makl10n> Kamion: I want to withdraw my nomination from the localisation / translation team leader
[07:41] <elmo> makl10n: ok - any particular reason?
[07:42] <makl10n> mmm... I guess OgMaciel is better than after going through his profile.
[07:42] <OgMaciel> makl10n: ;)
[07:43] <elmo> ok
[07:43] <mako> that's fine
[07:43] <makl10n> When I get the mail regarding the call for nomination, I thought you were asking  leader for individual language
[07:43] <elmo> OgMaciel: does your new job change anything for you?
[07:43] <OgMaciel> elmo: it just may
[07:43] <makl10n> OgMaciel: hi
[07:43] <Kamion> makl10n: ah, that seems to have been a not uncommon misunderstanding
[07:43] <OgMaciel> makl10n: hello there
[07:44] <elmo> OgMaciel: ok - can you let us (CC) know by email once you know for sure?
[07:44] <elmo> shall we move onto loco teams?
[07:44] <elmo> or team
[07:44] <OgMaciel> elmo: will do... mind you I still don't have internet at home though
[07:44] <OgMaciel> ;(
[07:45] <makl10n> OgMaciel: I shall love to assist you ...if you ask. Only if the Localisation / Translation Leader needs an assistant ;)
[07:46] <mako> lets move onto loco teams
[07:46] <OgMaciel> makl10n: I believe this "job" is too big for someone going at it alone part-time... so a group of "assistants" would be awsome
[07:46] <elmo> RussellJohn - here?
[07:46] <OgMaciel> ;)
[07:46] <mako> any word from sabdfl?
[07:46] <Ekushey> elmo: present
[07:47] <Ekushey> i represent the ubuntu-bd loco team
[07:47] <elmo> mako: no - I wonder if he got lost :/ - I'll SMS ping him
[07:47] <zakame> OgMaciel: is there some ToDo now up? :)
[07:48] <Seveas> Ekushey, could you please introduce the team 
[07:48] <Ekushey> Seveas: the wikipage of the ubuntu-bd team lives at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BangladeshiTeam
[07:49] <OgMaciel> zakame: we have actually drawn a few "duties"
[07:49] <Ekushey> Seveas: and our site is at www.ubuntu-bd.org, which is localised in bengali
[07:49] <zakame> OgMaciel: ooh! where can I find moreinfo
[07:50] <makl10n> Seveas: what are duties of a LoCo team, and who should lead the team ?
[07:50] <Ekushey> Seveas: we've a team of 20+ dedicated volunteers who are helping to spread ubuntu in bangladesh
[07:50] <mako> Ekushey: wow, that's great
[07:51] <Ekushey> Seveas: we're particularly intersted in promoting Edubuntu and Xubuntu
[07:51] <mako> it sounds like your showing at the conference was also very strong
[07:52] <Ekushey> mako: yeah, we're very happy about the week-long fair that we attended. some snapshots here: http://gallery.linux.org.bd/thumbnails.php?album=29
[07:53] <Ekushey> the best part is that we got a lot press attention and the journalists got to know that there's something called ubuntu!
[07:53] <makl10n> I regret to say, but I've objection about Bangladeshi loco team
[07:53] <Ekushey> mako: do u have any particular question? i'm lagging badly and i might get disconnected in any time
[07:54] <Seveas> makl10n, please share them
[07:54] <zakame> mako: hmm why is that?
[07:55] <makl10n> they just started doing these...but there are lots of people who has been doing things for OSS / Linux and particularly for Ubuntu.....why they are not in the team
[07:55] <mako> makl10n: are you suggesting that they are not welcome in the team?
[07:55] <zakame> err I mean makl10n 
[07:55] <Ekushey> makl10n: for instance, whom?
[07:55] <makl10n> yap, they are not welcome....... like me. I am not welcome nin the team
[07:56] <zakame> hmm, why aren't you welcome?
[07:56] <makl10n> zakame: I don't know !
[07:57] <Ekushey> mak10n: u don't know? then how can u say this?
[07:57] <Kamion> makl10n: did you try to join the team and were rejected?
[07:57] <zakame> makl10n: you mean to say you an Ekushey belong to the same locality?
[07:57] <makl10n> have you ever heard about Ankur Group of Bangladesh. they are doing the most of effort.....but the lead of that group Mr. Jamil Ahmed is not in the loco team
[07:58] <gnomefreak> makl10n: you were deactivated if mak is you LP id
[07:58] <Ekushey> Kamion: he left the launchpad team twice
[07:58] <makl10n> yes, I can forward e-mail correspondence regardings this. (anyone can join online, but not welcome in their events)
[07:58] <Ekushey> mak10n: can u please keep your personal interests out of this?
[07:59] <Kamion> e-mails can be sent in confidence to community-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:59] <Kamion> Ekushey: personal interests?
[07:59] <Seveas> Ekushey, this does not seem to be 'personal interests'
[07:59] <zakame> makl10n: but is this other group pushing for ubuntu, or just FOSS in general?
[08:00] <makl10n> zakame: have you heard of Ankur Group 
[08:00] <Ekushey> Seveas: he's mentioning about the LUG that i belonng to, not Ubuntu-BD
[08:00] <zakame> makl10n: no, that's why I'm asking?
[08:00] <Seveas> Ekushey, ah
[08:00] <makl10n> this is the group working for last couple of years.......and the team working for lots of projects...just visit www.bengalinux.org
[08:01] <Kamion> I can't make head or tail out of this. Please remember that the CC is not an expert in Bangladeshi LUG politics, and explain with that in mind
[08:01] <zakame> makl10n: a LoCoTeam isn't exactly the same as a LUG, from my understanding
[08:01] <Kamion> makl10n: it's perfectly reasonable for there to be a separate group doing Ubuntu-specific things, even if there are other local groups working to advance free software in general. Is that what you object to?
[08:02] <zakame> makl10n: I for example belong to both PLUG and ubuntu-PH; each grp has their own goals and the means of achieving them
[08:02] <mako> it's even ok to have overlapping locos, although it should definitely be avoided
[08:02] <gnomefreak> ok that link doesnt say anything about ubuntu it is FLOSS
[08:02] <makl10n> Yap, there should be a LoCo team, but who is leading the team
[08:03] <makl10n> the man who is isolated for the FOSS community of a country
[08:03] <mako> if the current membership or leadership of any loco is barring or making certain groups or individuals unwelcome, that's important for us to know
[08:03] <Kamion> makl10n: "isolated"?
[08:03] <Ekushey> ????
I think both parties should send an email explaining their PoV to the CC, and perhaps bring back the topic next time? </suggestion>
[08:03] <makl10n> jenda: you're correct.
[08:04] <mako> it's not clear to me that all sides even understand what the problem is
[08:04] <zakame> ummm, yes, perhaps more info ought to be brought up
[08:04] <Kamion> I agree with jenda; there's obviously a lot of background argument here, which we need to be filled in on before making a decision
[08:04] <makl10n> zakame: lets brought up in the next meeting
[08:04] <jenda> mako: I think that would be clear from teh emails sent.
[08:04] <makl10n> is anyone of you attended "debconf' in extremadura ?
[08:05] <mako> no, although i don't see what that has to do with the ubuntu loco team
[08:05] <Ekushey> mako: this guy was after us from the beginning
[08:05] <Ekushey> mako: i really don't understand why he's after us
[08:05] <Ekushey> mako: he's taking the entire issue personally...
[08:05] <zakame> mako: thats a `many' :P
[08:05] <Ekushey> mako: and he sent me hate mails when we formed the team!
[08:06] <zakame> and yeah, what does debconf hav to do with this?
[08:06] <makl10n> mako: then I would introduce someone better them him who deserve to be our (Bangladesh) loco team leader
[08:06] <Kamion> Ekushey: if this is a case of a single person with a grudge, then that's not a barrier; but I'm sure you understand that we need to take complaints seriously
[08:06] <Kamion> so it needs to be investigated
[08:06] <Seveas> Ekushey, makl10n: please summarize your points of view in a mail to the council. This fight isn't going anywhere and in the interest of time we should be moving on
[08:06] <zakame> Ekushey: well present some proof of it then
[08:06] <mako> makl10n: you're going to need to explain what the problem is first
[08:06] <mako> yes
[08:07] <mako> and i'm running out of time here
[08:07] <Ekushey> Kamion: sure thing. let him proof if he can.
[08:07] <makl10n> thanks....
[08:07] <makl10n> I don't want to prove anything, I just want to suggest better name for the LoCo team leader
[08:07] <zakame> its kinda weird though; ai'nt ubuntu all about community? :P
[08:08] <Kamion> makl10n: this isn't about nominations; other people who want to be involved in leading a loco team should step up themselves
[08:08] <Kamion> we expect leaders to take their own initiative
[08:08] <makl10n> please just go through this.......and rest will be in next meeting or in you mail boxes.... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bd/2006-July/000048.html
[08:08] <Ekushey> God, this guy has personal problems with me and he's trying to ruin everything!
[08:09] <zakame> ok, perhaps its time to move on
[08:09] <makl10n> Ekushey: I didn't say anything personal. but you are bashing me .......
[08:09] <Ekushey> mako, Seveas, zakame: what's my next step?
[08:09] <amachu> hi
[08:09] <amachu> every one
[08:09] <zakame> yo amachu 
[08:09] <Seveas> makl10n, Ekushey: please calm down
[08:09] <zakame> Ekushey: heed Seveas 
[08:10] <Seveas> Ekushey: please summarize your points of view in a mail to the council so this can be revisited next time
[08:10] <mako> Ekushey: just email the council email list
[08:10] <Kamion> Ekushey: best is to send a calm, reasoned mail to community-council@lists.ubuntu.com describing the situation and what effect it has on the bd team
[08:10] <Ekushey> mako: sure, np
[08:10] <tomveens> All we need is a smoke and a next subject
[08:10] <mako> i really need to run, still no sign of mark?
[08:11] <zakame> hmm I thought he's just walking to his flat or something?
[08:11] <superm1> as we move on, i'm not sure how quickly we're going thru each applicant.  if we are running around 45 minutes from now, and I won't be making it up - could I possibly be bumped ahead?  I have to leave in 50 min
[08:11] <amachu> zakame: i am here to volunteer for "Localisation / Translation Team Leader" 
[08:11] <zakame> superm1: better prepare your arsenal then
[08:12] <zakame> amachu: ping OgMaciel 
[08:12] <elmo> mako: I'll phone him
[08:12] <mako> great..
[08:12] <elmo> while I'm doing that - we should decide if we want to do the kamion+elmo show, with you reading logs, or simply postpone or what
[08:12] <amachu> OgMaciel: Hi, i am here to volunteer for "Localisation / Translation Team Leader" 
[08:12] <superm1> I'll do the best I can, so long as i have MOTU buddies around :)
[08:13] <LaserJock> heh
[08:13] <zakame> superm1: ooh MOTU aspirant! :)
[08:14] <sabdfl> hi folks
[08:14] <gnomefreak> hi sabdfl 
[08:14] <matid> Hi sabdfl
[08:14] <tseliot> hi
[08:14] <mako> sabdfl: great
[08:14] <sabdfl> elmo: sorry, got to the phone as you hung up and realised...
[08:14] <zakame> heya sabdfl 
[08:14] <sabdfl> hi all
[08:14] <mako> sabdfl: i've got another meeting i need to run to
[08:14] <mako> sabdfl: we're at new member candidates new
[08:14] <amachu> zakame: is OgMaciel around?
[08:14] <mako> now
[08:14] <mako> i might be able to pop back in a bit
[08:14] <zakame> amachu: he ought to be
[08:14] <mako> and i'll definitely read teh log
[08:14] <sabdfl> mako: ok i'll step into them shoes
[08:14] <OgMaciel> amachu: hold on... be right back
[08:14] <mako> talk to you soon!
[08:15] <zakame> yo crimsun 
[08:15] <sabdfl> who's first!
[08:15] <amachu> OgMaciel: Ok
[08:15] <elmo> DaveSullivan lophyte (September 18)
[08:15] <lophyte> that's me
[08:15] <zul> cd 
[08:15] <elmo> lophyte: go for it
[08:15] <lophyte> Hey everyone, my name is Dave Sullivan. My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DaveSullivan, and my launchpad can be found at http://launchpad.net/people/dsullivan. I recently started the Toronto chapter of the ubuntu-ca team, and in just a week's time we managed to organize a successful Software Freedom Day celebration, in which we handed out nearly 100 CDs and over 150 brochures, advocating and raising awareness for Ubuntu
[08:15] <lophyte> More details about my activity can be found on my wikipage. Thanks for your consideration. Any questions?
[08:16] <sabdfl> lophyte: what kind of class?
[08:16] <OgMaciel> amachu: let's take this offline but I'm afraid I don't have too much time
[08:16] <lophyte> class?
[08:16] <sabdfl> OgMaciel: congrats on the new post
[08:16] <sabdfl> lophyte: "presentation on ubuntu to a class"
[08:16] <amachu> OgMaciel: sure.. Please guide me what should i do?
[08:17] <OgMaciel> sabdfl: thanks...  I'm very happy here indeed...  I think for the first time in a long time too
[08:17] <lophyte> sabdfl: ahh.. the presentation was in a "professional skills" class, of mostly average end-users
[08:17] <sabdfl> lophyte: what do you do in real life?
[08:17] <lophyte> unemployed at the moment
[08:18] <lophyte> looking for work.. preferably linux adminstrator type work
[08:18] <sabdfl> lophyte: toronto loco team sounds very positive, what kind of folks are mostly members of the team?
[08:18] <lophyte> we had about 10 people come out to our first meeting.. a few people who were completely new to Linux, a few who had used Linux but were new to Ubuntu, and a few who had been using Ubuntu for a while
[08:18] <lophyte> so we had a good mix
[08:19] <sabdfl> any interesting observations from the completely new folks?
[08:19] <zakame> hmm intersting
[08:19] <sivang> hi sabdfl 
[08:19] <lophyte> well there was one guy who actually lives outside of the city.. he suggested we start a 'mentoring' program where more advanced users would mentor new users 1-on-1, and that's something we're definitely going to be discussing soon
[08:19] <sabdfl> hey sivang!
[08:19] <rexbron> hay lophyte
[08:19] <lophyte> heya rexbron
[08:20] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from for the loco work, elmo?
[08:20] <nixternal> elmo, Seveas, Kamion, mako, sabdfl:  Thanks for holding this meeting first and foremost. lophyte is an outstanding contributor to the advocation of Ubuntu. He has successfully setup and runs the Ubuntu Toronto LoCo. He helps out tremendously with the UWN and is journying out further every day in the community. Outstanding candidate for Ubuntu Member!
[08:20] <sabdfl> s/from/from me/
[08:20] <nixternal> that took forever to type ;)
[08:20] <lophyte> we also hope to get a few video-minded members together and shoot some ubuntu promotional videos to be posted on ubuntuvideo.com
[08:20] <rexbron> yup
[08:21] <tomveens> I'm thinking
[08:21] <lophyte> rexbron's one of our members, actually :)
[08:21] <rexbron> =D
[08:21] <Kamion> ah, didn't realise you'd started on UWN work as well - that's listed as future plans on your wiki page
[08:21] <sabdfl> hi kamion
[08:22] <Kamion> hi, just alternating between dinner and meeting here
[08:22] <jenda> I'll second nixternal on the UWN business.
[08:22] <rexbron> I'm gussing that SFD has been mentioned...
[08:22] <rexbron> eh lophyte?
[08:22] <Kamion> I was just reading the SFD link off Dave's wiki page
[08:22] <lophyte> rexbron: yup, its on my wikipage and I mentioned it earlier
[08:22] <rexbron> good
[08:23] <nixternal> yes Kamion, he helps out big time with UWN work and within the Ubuntu Marketing Team. Great ideas, and enjoys working on anything Ubuntu that he can. That I really appreciate in lophyte!
[08:23] <Kamion> it sounds like it was a great success; impressive
[08:23] <lophyte> also, the CC should have a recommendation for me from Corey Burger in their email
[08:23] <lophyte> he sent it 2 weeks ago, approximately
[08:23] <nixternal> as long as Ubuntu Toronto don't outshine Ubuntu Chicago I am OK :) muhehe
[08:23] <lophyte> haha
[08:24] <Kamion> ah, yes, indeed
[08:24] <zakame> lol
[08:24] <Kamion> "I have worked with Dave as part of the Ubuntu Canada loco team and have found him to be both consistency courteous and a hard worker. He recently organized the 2006 Software Freedom Day celebration in Toronto, including getting 6 other people to help out and securing a venue in a high traffic location. He has also been doing some general organization of Ubuntu users in Toronto."
[08:24] <Kamion> (corey)
[08:24] <Seveas> impressive
[08:25] <Kamion> so I'm happy with lophyte, good testimonials for Ubuntu advocacy work and documentation
[08:26] <sabdfl> do we need a third from elmo, or is two considered sufficient?
[08:26] <Seveas> 2 down, one to go
[08:27] <Seveas> sabdfl, so far the CC used majority voting
[08:27] <nixternal> ice cream truck must have drove by his place
[08:28] <lophyte> haha
[08:28] <zakame> lol
[08:28] <highvoltage> hehe
[08:28] <Kamion> I wonder if they do Subway trucks ...
[08:28] <nixternal> i wish
[08:28] <sabdfl> elmo will be back in a sec
[08:28] <Kamion> ok, let's keep going and he can catch up
[08:28] <elmo> sorry, ack
[08:28] <zakame> as in subway sandwich?
[08:29] <Seveas> woo!
[08:29] <sabdfl> welcome aboard lophyte!
[08:29] <Seveas> lophyte, congratulations!
[08:29] <Kamion> who wants to drive lp?
[08:29] <zakame> oh there he is with the radio
[08:29] <jenda> must've been the icecream.
[08:29] <sabdfl> Kamion: willdo
[08:29] <lophyte> thanks :D
[08:29] <jenda> lophyte: congrats :)
[08:29] <Kamion> well voluntold
[08:29] <nixternal> lophyte: congrats homer!
[08:29] <matid> lophyte: Congrats
[08:29] <lophyte> thanks everyone
[08:29] <Seveas> frodon, you're up
[08:30] <frodon> yes i am ;)
[08:30] <zakame> rock on lophyte 
[08:30] <frodon> i will start presenting myself
[08:30] <Seveas> good 
[08:30] <frodon> I'm a french 25 years old digital designer for a semi-conductor company.
[08:30] <frodon> Really impressed by ubuntu, i use this distribution since the beginning of hoary and decided to get involved helping users, writing guides and archiving usefull informations.
[08:30] <frodon> I'm involved in the UDSF project since (almost) the beginning and i spend as many time as i can to make this project a success.
[08:31] <frodon> I mainly provide support (more than 2500 posts) through www.ubuntuforums.org where i am a moderator since may 2006.
[08:31] <frodon> I'm, in general, interested in providing support and documentation for ubuntu users.
[08:31] <frodon> launchpad profile : https://launchpad.net/people/frodon
[08:31] <Seveas> I'm still confused by the UDSF/docteam split - what's up with that?
[08:31] <jenda> frodon has been a great help in the forums, but also in the forums' IRC channel (#ubuntuforums) - especially since he joined the forum staff.
[08:31] <tseliot> Frodon is really an asset of the forum. He is doing an impressive work to keep the forum clean and ordered. And I guarantee that it's not an easy task, given the always increasing number of members (hence also of posts, spam, flamewars, etc.) of the forum. He's very efficient. Furthermore he is also an invaluable member of the UDSF and, in my opinion, one of the reasons of its success.
[08:32] <LaserJock> Seveas: I believe it is a "work in progress" ;-)
[08:32] <frodon> Seveas, it's just 2 differents ways to provide documentaion to ubuntu users
[08:32] <jenda> (The question has been on my mind for a long time, Seveas. Would love to hear a good answer)
[08:32] <Seveas> frodon, is there any collaboration between the 2 teams?
[08:32] <frodon> the UDSF reach 2 milions hits last week :)
[08:33] <frodon> yes there's a team created for this purpose
[08:33] <Seveas> how's that going?
[08:33] <jenda> frodon: isn't it a bit of effort waste, there? Why don't the teams work together on a single resource? The approaches don't seem all that different.
[08:33] <frodon> https://launchpad.net/people/wikiforumteam
[08:34] <frodon> unfortunatly this team isn't really active for the moment
[08:34] <frodon> we have planned to share a page to collect togetther all the good guides generated by the forum
[08:34] <Burgwork> basically the issue was that the UDSF viewed themselves are archivers of forum content, rather than creators of docuemntation
[08:34] <nixternal> i can back frodon up on why it isn't that active right now. USDF posters/authors aren't responding to emails we send asking for their permission to post on our wiki
[08:34] <frodon> exactly Burgwork 
[08:35] <Burgwork> except that is not the view of the documentation team
[08:35] <Burgwork> however, I am not certain we need to be discussing this right now
[08:35] <Seveas> good point
[08:36] <Seveas> but do you as docteam member think the udsf and thus frodons contribution to it is a good thing for the Ubuntu community?
[08:36] <Burgwork> yes, totally
[08:36] <sabdfl> frodon: what's ubuntu-graphic-drivers all about?
[08:36] <Burgwork> given how inactive the doc team has been during edgy, we need all the people we can get
[08:37] <tseliot> sabdfl: you can check this about the ubuntu-graphic-drivers
[08:37] <frodon> it' a team created by tseliot, which maintain a repositoy with latest nvidia and ATI drivers
[08:37] <tseliot> http://albertomilone.com/driver.html
[08:37] <Seveas> sabdfl: tseliot expressed interest in integrating this with ubuntu proper at the previous meeting
[08:38] <sabdfl> can either of you guys come to UDS Mountain View, Nov 5-10?
[08:38] <Kamion> I was under the impression that l-r-m was reasonably up-to-date at the moment
[08:38] <sabdfl> we'll be talking a lot about graphics drivers, aiglx
[08:38] <tseliot> Unfortunately I can't
[08:38] <Seveas> Kamion, for edgy yes, for dapper it may need an update
[08:38] <tseliot> :-(
[08:38] <sabdfl> and we'll have folks there from nvidia and ati as well as intel
[08:38] <Kamion> Seveas: true
[08:38] <Seveas> sabdfl, I'll be there and intend to join tseliots effort
[08:38] <sabdfl> ok
[08:39] <tseliot> great
[08:39] <frodon> about doc team colaboration, we can easily on the UDSF side provide all the links to the good guides generated by the forum to the doc team and it's what we planned
[08:39] <Seveas> (I already do updated fglrx)
[08:39] <sabdfl> frodon: are you a forum moderator?
[08:39] <Seveas> frodon, that would rock
[08:39] <frodon> yes i am sabdfl 
[08:39] <sabdfl> frodon: +1 from me on the basis of sustained forums contribution - kamion, elmo?
[08:40] <elmo> ack WRT the forums.  it's perhaps orthogonal to frodon's application, but I'm a little concerned by the UDSF/wiki split
[08:40] <elmo> sorry, typing and talking
[08:41] <elmo> I meant.  'ack to frodon, also on the basis of sustained forums and UDSF work'
[08:41] <sabdfl> agreed on the udsf / docteam needs addressing, i wonder if there will be reps of both at uds?
[08:42] <Kamion> I remember we went over the UDSF fairly exhaustively a year or so back - might be worth digging out the IRC logs and seeing what's changed
[08:42] <frodon> other point, the wiki license is not really compliant to collect information from the forum
[08:42] <LaserJock> sabdfl: I'll be there for doc team
[08:42] <Kamion> I'm fine with frodon for membership on the basis of sustained forums staff work
[08:42] <Seveas> frodon, congratulations!
[08:43] <tseliot> Congrats!
[08:43] <LaserJock> I believe the biggest issue is licensing, wrt to doc team/UDSF
[08:43] <zakame> congrats frodon 
[08:43] <matid> Congratulations
[08:43] <frodon> thanks :)
[08:43] <Seveas> sebastean, you're up next
[08:43] <sebastean> hello
[08:44] <superm1> Now, sebastean, joejaxx ahod__  would you mind me jumping ahead of you given how long these are running?  I'm going to be having to leave in about 15-20 min.
[08:44] <sebastean> ok
[08:44] <ahod__> You can go ahead of me
[08:44] <joejaxx> sure i think i might have to go next time at the current moment
[08:44] <superm1> ok 
[08:44] <Seveas> superm1, ok, please go ahead
[08:44] <superm1> ok thx
[08:44] <superm1> Hi, My name is Mario Limonciello (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/superm1).  I was present at the last CC meeting.
[08:45] <superm1> I have been doing some work with the MOTU team the last few weeks with regards to backstep, mythtv, and mythplugins and was looking to apply for membership, and eventually MOTUship.
[08:45] <superm1> I've put in a big effort in getting the mythtv suite up to the current release version, and had quite a few late nights in #ubuntu-motu straightening out correct format for packaging and such.
[08:45] <superm1> Last time you guys mentioned to bring along someone, so i wooed Laserjock & imbrandon into tagging along :)
[08:45] <Seveas> superm1, how long have you been active within the MOTU?
[08:46] <superm1> well i'd say its been about a month now
[08:46] <superm1> i did the packaging for backstep myself, with a few revus
[08:46] <superm1> since it wasn't in debian
[08:47] <Seveas> superm1, if MOTU contibutions are your only contributions then we will have to ask you to come back later. Generally we look for at least two months of sustained activity
[08:47] <Kamion> there's quite a bit on that wiki page - just reading
[08:48] <superm1> Seveas, i have been maintaining a myth repo actually the last few months
[08:48] <tomveens> are these rules written?
[08:48] <superm1> before i started to get into MOTU
[08:48] <Seveas> ah
[08:48] <superm1> since around aprilish
[08:48] <superm1> i just wanted to make this official
[08:48] <superm1> and start getting things into universe and multiverse properly
[08:48] <sabdfl> superm1: i'm very excited by the mythtv work, it's an amazing platform but i think one where the quality of packaging is essential
[08:48] <Seveas> that is great
[08:49] <Seveas> LaserJock, imbrandon: can you comment on/cheerlead for superm1?
[08:49] <LaserJock> sure
[08:49] <LaserJock> I helped superm1 with backstep
[08:50] <LaserJock> he's doing good work in -motu
[08:50] <LaserJock> learning packaging, integrating into the team
[08:50] <LaserJock> there are a few MOTUs looking at mythtv
[08:50] <LaserJock> so it's good to have somebody else hop on board and put time into it
[08:51] <superm1> I remember back in breezyish days how myth just worked out of the box without compiling and such.  I am hoping to help keep it that way for edgy, edgy+n
[08:51] <sabdfl> +1 from me on the back of motu contribution, ati driver beta team, mythtv and a clear picture of what superm1 is working on
[08:52] <sabdfl> superm1: any chance you can make it to Mountain View, Nov 5-10, to meet with the other multimedia guys who are gathering there?
[08:52] <superm1> I'd have to see
[08:52] <superm1> i'd love to
[08:53] <superm1> have to talk to real life employer and such :)
[08:53] <sabdfl> ok, see if you can make it - should be a big multimedia buzz
[08:54] <sabdfl> kamion, elmo?
[08:55] <Kamion> just reading still
[08:55] <elmo> ack from me
[08:55] <Kamion> yeah, this is looking good to me, really glad to have somebody looking after mythtv properly
[08:56] <Kamion> +1
[08:56] <superm1> yay! :)
[08:56] <sabdfl> superm1: have you applied for membership in ubuntumembers in LP?>
[08:56] <Seveas> congratulations superm1!
[08:56] <sabdfl> i am trying to approve you there but don't see the request
[08:56] <Seveas> sebastean, now you're really up next
[08:56] <matid> Congratulations!
[08:56] <superm1> Oh no i haven't, i didn't realize i was supposed to 
[08:56] <zakame> rock the MOTU superm1 
[08:56] <superm1> i'll look for it really quick and add myself
[08:57] <Kamion> superm1: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join
[08:57] <sebastean> Hello, I'm a member of the LoCo Ubuntu Sweden, and what I do is to check so everything works because I'm the leader, after ozamosi who started the LoCo. We have this website, ubuntu-se.org, with a a forum and a wiki, and I help admin and moderators out, plan for the future and so on, I'm also the contact person for members. I like graphics and I hav design the theme for the forum and some posters... 
[08:57] <Kamion> (from memory)
[08:57] <sebastean> was it my turn.. ?
[08:57] <Kamion> sebastean: yep
[08:57] <superm1> sabdfl, okay i added
[08:57] <sabdfl> sebastean: how long have you been leading ubuntu-se.org?
[08:57] <sebastean> good, I did som preporation..
[08:57] <sebastean> 1 month maybe..
[08:58] <sebastean> not a long time
[08:58] <ozamosi> he's been very active in the loco before that as well
[08:58] <sebastean> a started to write alot in the forum helpin out..
[08:59] <sabdfl> sebastean: wiki page? lp url?
[08:59] <sebastean> Ihttp://ubuntu-se.org/Wiki
[08:59] <sebastean> what is lp?
[08:59] <matid> Launchpad
[09:00] <sabdfl> we usually ask folks to prepare a wiki page for themselves which outlines their contribution and plans
[09:00] <sebastean> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohanLundmark
[09:00] <sabdfl> also, folks usually register in Lp so we can see what bug tracking, translation etc they are contributing
[09:00] <sebastean> here it is ;)
[09:01] <sebastean> I've not done any translation yet but I will to get to know all of the parts of the LoCo
[09:01] <sabdfl> sebastean: ok, i very much like the fact that you are stepping up to a leadership role in your loco team, but I think you need to spend a bit more time learning more about how the ubuntu community organises itself
[09:01] <sabdfl> for example, LP (translation, bug fixing, etc)
[09:02] <sabdfl> i think if you make some good contributions there over the course of the next month you would IMO be over the threshold
[09:02] <sabdfl> sound reasonable?
[09:02] <sebastean> ok
[09:02] <sebastean> yeah thats fine
[09:03] <sabdfl> ok cool - generally very good work, loco teams are very important
[09:03] <sabdfl> unless elmo or kamion feel differently, let's jump to the next candidate.
[09:04] <gnomefreak> joejaxx: are we skipping you today?
[09:04] <Kamion> no, that's fine by me, sounds like he's on the right track but ...
[09:04] <gnomefreak> you were 2 people ago
[09:04] <joejaxx> no we are not i was wanting my turn
[09:04] <gnomefreak> k
[09:04] <sabdfl> joejaxx: roll on
[09:04] <joejaxx> gnomefreak: superm1 wanted to go ahead of me
[09:04] <joejaxx> Good Afternoon Everyone. My name is Joseph Jackson IV (I am also known in the open source world as Joe Jaxx). I am 19, a student, os developer and windows sys/net administrator. I love programming and operating system development. I discovered the Ubuntu Linux Project about a year ago and I have been involved ever since. I am a strong advocate for Ubuntu because of its excellent hardware support and open community. I am mostly involved in pr
[09:04] <elmo> (fine by me too)
[09:05] <Kamion> joejaxx: you were cut off at "involved in pr"
[09:05] <Kamion> (IRC has a line length limit)
[09:05] <joejaxx> whoops
[09:06] <joejaxx>  I am mostly involved in providing support to Ubuntu users and I am also involved in the Mubuntu Project. The future that I whould like to see for Ubuntu is having it run on a vast range of computers (older and newer), which is why i created Fluxbuntu. My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeJaxx and my Launchpad page is https://launchpad.net/people/joejaxx.
[09:06] <tomveens> looks great
[09:07] <Seveas> doesn't look too great me, to be honest. Most of joejaxx' effort is spent on fluxbuntu, which is not part of the ubuntu project. And grep joejaxx #ubuntu.log | wc -l only says 10
[09:08] <Seveas> other than that, he'sa great guy and fluxbuntu is cool
[09:08] <joejaxx> Seveas: i most give support outside of that channel
[09:08] <Seveas> I wish it'd be integrated in ubuntu proper
[09:08] <joejaxx> mostly*
[09:08] <sabdfl> tell us about fluxbuntu?
[09:08] <gnomefreak> i agree with Seveas 
[09:08] <Seveas> joejaxx, unfortunately there's no way for us to confirm that
[09:08] <joejaxx> Seveas: yeah i know
[09:08] <joejaxx> it is quite alright
[09:09] <zakame> IRQ: I'm supposed to cheer keescook on his membership, but I have to go now since I've pretty much lost sleep tonight.  I've left my testimony to him, however, so he can present that when its his turn.
[09:09] <joejaxx> sabdfl: basically the idea behind fluxbuntu is it is supposed to be able to run on a vast amonut of computers
[09:09] <joejaxx> sabdfl: it can run on a Pentium2 with 32MB
[09:09] <joejaxx> that is the lowest we have tested it
[09:10] <Seveas> zakame, noted. Thanks and goodnight!
[09:10] <joejaxx> sabdfl: it allows people who cannot afford to get a Pentium4 to reuse their older computers
[09:10] <joejaxx> sabdfl: for example schools, and other organizations
[09:10] <LaserJock> I'd also like to note that joejaxx has recently been working with MOTU to get fluxbuntu packages into Universe
[09:11] <zakame> Seveas: merci, good night all! :D
[09:11] <juliux> joejaxx, why should they use fluxbuntu instead of xubuntu?
[09:12] <joejaxx> juliux: xubuntu is lightweight in a since
[09:12] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: joejaxx is there a way to get a fluxbuntu-desktop package instead of say seperate packages?
[09:12] <joejaxx> juliux: but with fluxbuntu it is lighter runs on more computers it also has a strict diet of lightwight applications
[09:12] <juliux> joejaxx, thxs
[09:12] <joejaxx> juliux: you are most welcome
[09:12] <LaserJock> gnomefreak: of course
[09:13] <joejaxx> gnomefreak: yes
[09:13] <juliux> joejaxx, i will test it if i found some old hardware at home;)
[09:13] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:13] <joejaxx> juliux: ;)
[09:14] <sabdfl> joejaxx: i very much support your goals with fluxbuntu, +1 from me on the basis of commitment to join the MOTU team and get that into ubuntu through the MOTU
[09:15] <sabdfl> joejaxx: any particular changes, other than selection of apps and window manager?
[09:15] <joejaxx> sabdfl: well customization of fluxbox for the user
[09:15] <joejaxx> sabdfl: fluxbox can be a pain to setup
[09:15] <sabdfl> and you make it Just Work?
[09:15] <joejaxx> also the menu updating works which is great
[09:16] <joejaxx> sabdfl: we configure everything with fluxbox for the end user
[09:16] <joejaxx> right now we are releasing developmental releases so we are still adding things
[09:16] <sabdfl> does the user have to make any decisions, or is it a standard, good-by-default config?
[09:16] <joejaxx> sabdfl: it is good by default
[09:16] <joejaxx> sabdfl: some of the users are advance fluxbox users so they change things on there own though
[09:17] <sabdfl> right
[09:17] <joejaxx> sabdfl: we are also developing somthing called the Dashboard
[09:17] <sabdfl> elmo, kamion?
[09:17] <joejaxx> which is like a common control panel to configure fluxbuntu
[09:17] <joejaxx> gnomefreak: well the thing with that is
[09:18] <joejaxx> i cannot set vga=785
[09:18] <joejaxx> so when i install the custom usplash
[09:18] <joejaxx> it comes up black on the livecd
[09:18] <joejaxx> but works on the hdd install
[09:18] <Kamion> you shouldn't have to - usplash uses svgalib, not the vesa framebuffer
[09:18] <elmo> ack - but with the same basis of commitment to better integration with ubuntu as a whole
[09:18] <joejaxx> so i left the usplash
[09:18] <Kamion> at least in edgy
[09:19] <joejaxx> Kamion: yes we are currently using dapper until edgy is finalized
[09:19] <sabdfl> we *love* the new u-splash, it showed up for me on my laptop for the first time today
[09:19] <Kamion> joejaxx: how much effort are you putting into mubuntu vs. fluxbuntu?
[09:19] <joejaxx> Kamion: well with mubuntu
[09:19] <Kamion> incidentally that's a really confusing name - we'd been talking about mubuntu as an embedded distro, and multimedia is just about the other end of the spectrum
[09:20] <Kamion> (mu as in the Greek micro)
[09:20] <joejaxx> i am helping MMA create the base system
[09:20] <joejaxx> and also with the mubutnu-* meta package once we get the paackage list finalized for each
[09:21] <_MMA_> Hi all. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mubuntu Post some ideas. ;)
[09:21] <joejaxx> i am using my knowledge from my fluxbuntu development with the mubuntu
[09:22] <joejaxx> Kamion: the funny thing is i was coming out with a "mubuntu" (multimedia) and i joined the canonical mubuntu project afeter i found out one was being created
[09:23] <joejaxx> so i am helping that project instead
[09:23] <joejaxx> mubuntu that is
[09:23] <joejaxx> the canonical one
[09:23] <Kamion> ok, just try not to get involved in so many pies that you can't do a good job on all of them ...
[09:24] <gnomefreak> i would think alot of legal issues would go along with mubuntu
[09:24] <Kamion> that would be my main concern, since they seem like very different projects
[09:24] <Kamion> but aside from that, and with the note raised by sabdfl and elmo that we'd like to get your fluxbox work integrated better, +1
[09:24] <_MMA_> I would love to get with others to pull our ideas together. Right now the plan if for me to go to the UDS Mountain View. I would love to talk with anyone there.
[09:24] <sabdfl> welcome aboard, joejaxx
[09:25] <dolson> congrats joejaxx 
[09:25] <matid> Congrats, joejaxx
[09:25] <joejaxx> sabdfl: dolson thanks
[09:25] <gnomefreak> congrats joejaxx 
[09:25] <Seveas> congratulations!
[09:25] <joejaxx> gnomefreak: thank you
[09:25] <lophyte> congrats joejaxx
[09:25] <joejaxx> Seveas: lophyte :)
[09:25] <gnomefreak> joejaxx: yw
[09:25] <joejaxx> Seveas: lophyte thanks
[09:25] <Seveas> Andrew Hodgkinson?
[09:25] <sabdfl> who's up next?
[09:25] <ahod__> I'll go.
[09:26] <ahod__> Hi.  I'm a senior software engineer and have worked for Novell for the past 11 years. For most of that time, my efforts have been focused on developing and supporting the FLAIM database technology.  FLAIM is used in projects such as iFolder, Hula, CASA, and Novell's eDirectory (closed source).
[09:26] <nalioth> w00t joejaxx !
[09:26] <ahod__>  I recently created a native Ubuntu package for FLAIM and would like to see it kept up-to-date in Ubuntu Universe.  My purpose in joining the community is to volunteer to maintain the native Ubuntu package for FLAIM.  More info can be found at my wiki site http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndrewHodgkinson.  My launchpad info can be found at https://launchpad.net/people/ahodgkinson.
[09:27] <Kamion> it would be great to have somebody actively maintaining flaim, ifolder, et al; Mez packaged libflaim ages ago, and it's in universe, but it hasn't been maintained
[09:27] <Kamion> do you think you can take on any of the other flaim-using projects you mentioned?
[09:27] <ahod__> I know.  We (the FLAIM maintainers) have made a lot of changes and improvements since then.
[09:27] <sabdfl> xflaim in particular looks interesting
[09:28] <ahod__> I have helped with iFolder on a limited basis, but wouldn't mind doing more.
[09:28] <ahod__> We just added c# and java bindings to xflaim.
[09:28] <sabdfl> ahod__: have you spent any time with the MOTU?
[09:29] <sabdfl> they would be good to help i.t.o. packaging etc, which is quite different to the rpm world as you know
[09:29] <whiprush> hi guys
[09:29] <ahod__> No a lot up to this point.  I have submitted FLAIM and XFLAIM to the REVU site.
[09:29] <sabdfl> out of curiosity, are the MOTU good about getting back to folks who submit stuff to REVU?
[09:29] <ahod__> We have .deb packages available for FLAIM and XFLAIM.
[09:30] <sabdfl> as part of your upstream build and publish process?
[09:30] <ahod__> sabdfl:  No, they aren't.
[09:30] <slomo> ahod__: for c# stuff you might want to join the mono team :) more members would be always good, especially someone caring about ifolder,etc
[09:30] <sabdfl> not good at getting back? or not part of the build process?
[09:30] <ahod__> Yes.  We build .deb packages as part of our standard build process.
[09:30] <sabdfl> ah, ok
[09:31] <ahod__> Not good at getting back.
[09:31] <sabdfl> dholbach: can you put REVU and MOTU onto the agenda for UDS Mountain View please? we should straighten that out
[09:32] <dholbach> sabdfl: Yeah, I'll take care of that.
[09:33] <LaserJock> heh
[09:33] <sabdfl> i'm very intrigued and would like to have you involved but normally would have more behind someone before +1 on membership
[09:34] <sabdfl> i think we need to hook you up with dholbach for some quality motu time, get the packages in, and then +1 on membership and motu simultaneously
[09:34] <Seveas> sounds sane
[09:34] <ahod__> ok
[09:34] <sabdfl> ahod__: do you think your flaim packages are edgy material?
[09:34] <Kamion> I'd have been inclined to say +1 on the basis that getting knowledgeable upstreams involved is always a good thing, but if it doesn't slow down Andrew's MOTU acceptance, then that's fine too
[09:35] <Kamion> consider me on the record as +1 for later
[09:35] <ahod__> They have been well tested.  I think that they should be included in Edgy so that they are available to support iFolder, etc.
[09:35] <sabdfl> dholbach: could you put ahod__ in touch with a very good motu for now, to get flaim and others into shape for edgy, then follow up with him yourself after the release to see how it's gone?
[09:35] <Kamion> dholbach or one of the other MOTUs would need to ack a universe freeze exception, but given that flaim has been languishing it sounds a worthwhile one to me
[09:35] <dholbach> sabdfl: I'm happy to do that
[09:36] <dholbach> Kamion: yeah, I agree :)
[09:36] <whiprush> ahod__: I've been waiting for a flaim/ifolder person for a year, I'd like to help also.
[09:36] <ahod__> whiprush:  That would be great.
[09:36] <sabdfl> can't do better than whiprush :-)
[09:37] <sabdfl> ahod__: holler in my direction (mark@ubuntu.com) if there are glitches in getting your latest stuff into edgy, i'll iron out any wrinkles
[09:37] <sabdfl> then after that i would also +1 membership
[09:37] <ahod__> ok.  If anyone has more questions, feel free to send me an e-mail (ahodgkinson@novell.com)
[09:38] <Seveas> ok, matid: you're up next
[09:38] <matid> Ok
[09:38] <matid> Hello. My name is Mateusz Drozdzynski (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MateuszDrozdzynski and http://launchpad.net/people/matid). I'm very passionate about OSS, I've been using Linux for about 6 years now and I doubt I could ever turn away from it.
[09:38] <Seveas> (ahod__ welcome to Ubuntu, I'd love to see you as member in the future)
[09:38] <matid> I'm an Ubuntu user since Warty and I've been testing the development releases since Hoary. I'm encouraging all of my friends to use Ubuntu and I provide them with free, life-time, round-a-clock support.
[09:38] <matid> I'm involved in the bug triage as a member of the Bug Squad, Ubuntu Desktop Bugs and Ubuntu QA Team. I'm also willing to help out with the packaging and I'd like to become a MOTU in the future.
[09:38] <matid> I've joined Telepathy team make sure Telepathy will rock in Edgy+1 by contributing my bug triage abilities together with some coding and packaging.
[09:38] <matid> Together with Polish Linux Users Group, which I'm a member of, we organized an event promoting the Linux amongst windows users called "Poznaj Linuksa". I'd like to start coordinating out efforts to promote Linux between PLUG and Ubuntu LoCo teams.
[09:39] <matid> One of my current plans is to create localized Quality Assurance teams to form a bridge between Ubuntu developers and users who can't file bugs in English.
[09:39] <matid> You can read more on my wiki page: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MateuszDrozdzynski
[09:39] <matid> I've also brought some fellow BugSquad, Desktop Bugs and QA members: Daniel Holbach (dholbach), Simon Law (sfllaw), Sebastien Bacher (seb128), John Vivirito  (gnomefreak) and Richard Johnson  (nixternal). I hope they can say something positive about me ;)
[09:39] <matid> Sorry for such a long intro ;)
[09:39] <Seveas> localized QA ftw!
[09:40] <gnomefreak> he has done alot of bug work. i have seen his name for a whjile just never knew who he was until 3 days ago 
[09:40] <seb128> matid has been doing some good bug triage work and is playing with telepathy packages which is nice too
[09:40] <gnomefreak> s/whjile/while
[09:41] <dholbach> Yeah, I'm happy with his triage efforts too and am glad he became member of the telepathy team some days ago
[09:41] <dholbach> ahod__: I sent you a private message - hope that's ok
[09:42] <sfllaw> I'm very pleased with matid's work.
[09:42] <Seveas> more triagers on the block is a good idea
[09:42] <Seveas> and he's serious about it
[09:43] <sabdfl> very nice to see the bug karma there matid
[09:43] <matid> Seveas: Thanks
[09:43] <matid> sabdfl: Thanks
[09:43] <sabdfl> matid: how long have you been active on the bug squad?
[09:43] <matid> And thanks for all my fellow QA members ;)
[09:44] <matid> sabdfl: About two months right now
[09:44] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me on the back of ongoing bug triage over the course of 2 months
[09:46] <Seveas> elmo, Kamion ?
[09:46] <matid> I'm currently spending ab. 1/2 of my free time to contribute to Ubuntu
[09:46] <matid> And I'm really serious about the localized QA teams
[09:46] <Kamion> well, I did have to tell Mateusz off a while back for rejecting one of my bugs when he shouldn't, but that happens to a fair few people :)
[09:47] <Kamion> and that *was* a while backk
[09:47] <matid> I have many friends who would likely file many bugs but they can't do it since the language barrier
[09:47] <Kamion> +1 for sustained bugsquad work and helping out with telepathy
[09:47] <matid> Kamion: Sorry about that :)
[09:47] <Kamion> it happens :)
[09:47] <sabdfl> matid: how do we get more people to help out on the LP support tracker? i see you've helped solve someone's issue there too
[09:48] <Seveas> Kamion, tbh, ubiquity is one of the hardest-to-triage packages ;)
[09:48] <sabdfl> Kamion: that's because your software has such subtle bugs :-)
[09:48] <matid> sabdfl: Hmm...
[09:49] <gnomefreak> there are only like 6 support requests open atm
[09:49] <matid> sabdfl: I think it should be easier to file support request from the Ubuntu itself, we lack an application to do it
[09:49] <matid> sabdfl: And localizing the support tracker would help a lot too
[09:49] <matid> sabdfl: I'm still pointing the same issue out, but I think that's crucial to have Launchpad translated.
[09:50] <sabdfl> the "Get help online..." links should take people more directly there
[09:50] <Kamion> Seveas: yeah, I've been trying to improve that ... problem with the installer is that you have to live with last release's bugs for a long time
[09:50] <matid> It should be given a higher priority
[09:50] <sabdfl> matid: we definitely plan to make the support tracker multilingual, more so than the rest of LP
[09:50] <sabdfl> flacoste is working on that, chat to him on #launchpad if you're interested and have ideas
[09:51] <sabdfl> not sure we want to encourage multilingual bug reports though
[09:51] <sabdfl> :-)
[09:51] <sabdfl> did elmo ack?
[09:51] <matid> sabdfl: About this 'Get help online...', I think that's a good idea. It should help the support tracker become a default way of handling support requests
[09:51] <Seveas> sabdfl, not yet
[09:51] <matid> sabdfl: We should at least have some teams to help non-English users file the bugs
[09:52] <Seveas> whilst waiting for elmo should we continue with the next candidate?
[09:53] <elmo> please carry on, I'm on the phone
[09:53] <Seveas> ok
[09:53] <elmo> will catach up ASAP
[09:53] <Seveas> kristog is up next
[09:53] <matid> Ok
[09:53] <kristog> hello, i'm Riccardo Setti, i live in Milano (Italy), and i'm a high school student. In my spare time i help Debian and since may
[09:53] <kristog> i'm an official Debian developer (you can find more information about my Debian work
[09:53] <kristog> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=riccardo+Setti&comaint=yes).
[09:53] <kristog> I joined the Ubuntu community one year ago, in this period i was not really active, i started to do real work for Ubuntu
[09:53] <kristog> when dholbach started the telepathy team.
[09:53] <kristog> My (directly) contributions to Ubuntu are some telepathy packages, (in fact this is a team, i cannot say wich package is "mine" and wich
[09:53] <kristog> not ;) ) we work close with upstream to do our best to provide a good support for it in Ubuntu,
[09:53] <kristog> i joined the galago team and the qa team .
[09:53] <kristog> My future work will be integrate as much as I can telepathy galago and tapioca in Ubuntu (IM, desktop presence, voip framework), start
[09:53] <kristog> maintain some Desktop apps like gnome-power-manager, network-manager, and..who will know this?
[09:54] <Seveas> dholbach, any comments on the telepathy effort?
[09:54] <dholbach> kristog ROCKs and was a huge asset in the telepathy team - we talked a year ago about galago packages already and it was great to collaborate with him
[09:54] <Seveas> wow
[09:55] <dholbach> he's a nice a guy, friendly, helped other people to do packaging - I'm *very happy* with him
[09:55] <seb128> kristog does a really good job
[09:56] <dholbach> his packaging skills are good, he's good to talk to people (upstream, users, fellow package maintainers), maintains an overview and is easy to work with
[09:56] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Telepathy/Modules for his work in telepathy
[09:57] <seb128> and he seems to be wanting to help on gnome-power-manager bugs, which is really welcome
[09:57] <slomo> i can completely agree to daniel here... i already worked with him in Debian before and it was nice to work with him there and in Ubuntu, he has very good packaging knowledge, etc
[09:58] <Seveas> sabdfl, Kamion ?
[09:59] <sabdfl> kristog: do you have an ubuntu wiki or LP data to point to?
[09:59] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/people/giskard
[09:59] <kristog> sabdfl: LP: https://launchpad.net/people/giskard
[09:59] <elmo> (ack for matid)
[09:59] <Seveas> elmo, thanks, matid: welcome!
[09:59] <gnomefreak> congrats matid 
[09:59] <kristog> sabdfl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RiccardoSetti 
[09:59] <matid> Thanks everyone!
[10:00] <Seveas> (sabdfl: member candidate wikipages are linked from the CC agenda)
[10:01] <sabdfl> ok, +1 for kristog from me on the back of seb128 and dholbach's recommendations
[10:01] <sabdfl> welcome, matid
[10:01] <kristog> sabdfl: thank you :)
[10:01] <matid> sabdfl: Thanks
[10:01] <slomo> also it would probably be really good to have him caring about n-m i guess as nobody does yet and it could really need some work and i would be fine sponsoring his work for main :)
[10:01] <Kamion> I'm happy with kristog on the basis of recommendations, Debian work, and oh god please somebody look after n-m
[10:02] <sabdfl> n-m?
[10:02] <Kamion> network-manager
[10:02] <Seveas> network-manager
[10:02] <sabdfl> YES!
[10:02] <Seveas> ok, so that's +2 from sabdfl ;)
[10:02] <sabdfl> my rarely-used casting vote :-)
[10:02] <sabdfl> elmo?
[10:02] <kristog> ahhaha
[10:03] <elmo> ack
[10:03] <kristog> thank you elmo
[10:03] <Seveas> welcome aboard kristog !
[10:03] <kristog> thank you everyone :)
[10:03] <Seveas> now make n-m rock kthxbye ;)
[10:03] <slomo> congrats kristog :)
[10:03] <sabdfl> kristog: have you applied to join the ubuntumembers team in LP?
[10:03] <Seveas> next up is keescook 
[10:03] <dholbach> congratulations kristog - great to have you here!
[10:03] <keescook> Hello!  I'm Kees Cook (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeesCook and https://launchpad.net/people/keescook).  I've been using Ubuntu since Hoary (and switched most of the OSDL infrastructure to it from Redhat).  I've gotten involved in bug triage and packaging, and I now work with pitti on the Ubuntu Security Team, where I have been helping release security updates since August (sendmail, krb5, clamav, coreutils, gdb, and more on the way).  I want to see U
[10:03] <keescook> I asked pitti, zakame, and crimsun to say good things about me.  If I smile real nice, I'm hoping other will too.  :)
[10:03] <keescook> Here's what zakame asked me to pass on before he left:
 "I've been observing Kees' work on resolving bugs in Malone, and I believe he's doing great work in making Ubuntu better; furthermore, I have worked with him as my mentor closely during my stint on the Google Summer of Code to great success: I have learned a lot of new stuff thanks to him and his project Sendpage, and hence I totally believe that he will be a valuable Ubuntu member."
[10:03] <seb128> dholbach: congrat
[10:03] <seb128> ups
[10:03] <seb128> kristog: congrat
[10:04] <kristog> sabdfl: no, ATM i was busy with telepathy and ohters thig :)
[10:04] <kristog> seb128: thank you :)
[10:04] <matid> seb128: ;)
[10:04] <dholbach> seb128: thanks for congratulating me for another good desktop / telepathy members - congrats to you too! ;-)
[10:04] <sabdfl> kristog: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers/+join then ping me
[10:04] <pitti> I have worked with kees for a fair while now; he's marvellous at all kinds of security related stuff, a quick learner wrt. packaging issues, dived into bug triaging as well as new packaging, etc.
[10:04] <pitti> kristog: welcome!
[10:05] <sabdfl> keescook: methinks we need package upload karma to do you justice
[10:05] <sabdfl> (and all the other dev's)
[10:05] <Seveas> pitti, so you're *finally* no longer almost on your own wrt security? 
[10:05] <keescook> sabdfl: yeah.  :)
[10:05] <Seveas> sabdfl, indeed
[10:05] <pitti> Seveas: indeed, and I can't tell you how grateful I am :)
[10:05] <pitti> sabdfl: yeah, I want upload karma for langpacks :)
[10:05] <sabdfl> how many USN's can we attribute to keescook to date?
[10:06] <sabdfl> pitti: ...with a pony, no doubt
[10:06] <pitti> one officially released one, and about 5 that are in the works
[10:06] <dholbach> Although I didn't work too closely with Kees yet, I saw he started triaging bugs in no time, changed wiki pages, etc - he really takes things really seriously. :)
[10:06] <keescook> 2, I think.  krb5, gdb.
[10:06] <pitti> ah, right, krb5, too; sorry
[10:07] <keescook> dholbach: got you your QA emblem too.  ;)
[10:07] <pitti> he's curious to understand everything in the Ubuntu community and has good ideas, too
[10:07] <dholbach> hehe, yeah right - his artistic skills are marveloous :)
[10:07] <keescook> woohoo someone thinks I can draw!  (the inkscape guys will not agree)
[10:08] <sabdfl> i know you'll make a substantial contribution very quickly, but for membership we usually look for a couple months contribution
[10:08] <sabdfl> is it pedantic to hold off a month or so?
[10:08] <keescook> sabdfl: sure, I kept that in mind.  I was hoping my krb5 (aug) would count.
[10:08] <keescook> but I'm happy to wait if that's needed.
[10:08] <elmo> sabdfl: we've waived the requirement in the past for Canonical people
[10:08] <Seveas> sabdfl, other canonical employees (eg jono) were accepted given that being employed by canonical almost ensures a continued contribution
[10:08] <elmo> sabdfl: on the assumption that they're contract will guarantee the couple of months of contribution
[10:09] <elmo> s/they're/their/
[10:09] <sabdfl> elmo: and this is for distro team folks, i assume?
[10:09] <sabdfl> as opposed to dodgy suits?
[10:09] <elmo> sabdfl: distro + community so far, yeah
[10:09] <Kamion> we generally can't assume that non-distro-team employees will continue to contribute to Ubuntu directly
[10:09] <sabdfl> ok, +1 from me since I know kees will make a great contribution and is already full time
[10:10] <Kamion> I'm entirely happy with keescook for membership
[10:10] <elmo> Kamion: I don't think we've had any non-distro people apply
[10:10] <Kamion> for all the completely obvious reasons
[10:10] <elmo> have we?
[10:10] <sabdfl> sigh
[10:10] <Seveas> elmo, not that I know of
[10:10] <Kamion> elmo: Etienne Goyer did, I think? Robert Collins?
[10:10] <elmo> anyway, ack for me keescook from me too, as a no brainer
[10:10] <elmo> Kamion: ah, I guess so
[10:10] <sabdfl> he most definitely has some brains
[10:10] <Kamion> I think there've been others
[10:10] <sabdfl> welcome aboard, kees, are you in the LP queue?
[10:10] <keescook> yay!  thanks everyone.  :)
[10:10] <Seveas> kees, welcome aboard!
[10:11] <sabdfl> got it
[10:11] <pitti> keescook: \o/ welcome
[10:11] <keescook> sabdfl: LP ubuntu-members queue?  yup, should be.
[10:11] <sabdfl> approved
[10:11] <Seveas> We're at the end of the list, I just want to know whether the council already decided about Rolando Blanco
[10:11] <sabdfl> is that it? any latecomers?
[10:12] <nixternal> i will go again, the first time was so much fun ;)
[10:12] <Kamion> I don't think there's been anything by mail about Rolando, unless I missed it?
[10:12] <lophyte> haha
[10:12] <lophyte> nice, nixternal :P
[10:12] <Seveas> Kamion, I sent it yesterday
[10:12] <Kamion> oh yes
[10:12] <sabdfl> got it
[10:12] <Kamion> there've been no followups yet I'm afraid
[10:13] <Seveas> ok, then I'll leave him on the agenda for now. I'd appreciate it to hear a decision at the next meeting
[10:13] <sabdfl> +1 from me for rolando on the back of the .ve loco team
[10:13] <Seveas> (or now, thanks sabdfl ;))
[10:14] <sabdfl> OK!
[10:15] <sabdfl> well done, and thanks everybody (Seveas for steering, mako, elmo, kamion for listening)
[10:15] <sabdfl> any other business?
[10:15] <Seveas> datetime of next meeting
[10:15] <sabdfl> i've been poor about attendance, and i see some items are pending me on the agenda
[10:15] <Kamion> just read through the mails, I'm OK with Rolando as well
[10:15] <Seveas> Kamion, great!
[10:16] <Seveas> sabdfl, maybe it's better if we speak about that in person at UDS, I forgot to bring it up in Brussels
[10:16] <sabdfl> have things settled on freenode after the sad death of lilo?
[10:16] <Seveas> sabdfl, not sure, will ask the freenode staff
[10:16] <keescook> if only there was SSL on freenode...
[10:16] <sabdfl> ok, will we have the whole CC at UDS?
[10:17] <Kamion> assuming I can actually manage to get in touch with the US embassy about that, er, little visa waiver matter
[10:17] <sabdfl> Kamion: you and me both :-)
[10:17] <sabdfl> mako?
[10:18] <Seveas> EuroOscon
[10:18] <Kamion> sabdfl: oh, did you see my mail to community-council@ saying that I'd like to retire from the CC and let others have a turn?
[10:18] <sivang> Seveas: oh :)
[10:18] <sabdfl> i'll definitely mail mako re sponsorship if he's available and not already on the list
[10:18] <sabdfl> Kamion: yes, wanted to discuss succession recommendations!
[10:19] <Seveas> elmo, if you'd be so kind as to vote for/against Rolando Blanco, I can remove him from the agenda
[10:19] <elmo> Seveas: ack
[10:19] <sabdfl> Kamion: thank you for an outstanding contribution setting the standard for future CC members
[10:19] <Seveas> elmo, great, thanks a lot!
[10:19] <Seveas> Kamion, indeed, thanks a lot!
[10:20] <Kamion> it's been a fun ride, but my family have been complaining about all the late-night meetings for some time ;-)
[10:20] <Kamion> if we want to talk about succession at UDS, that could be doable
[10:21] <jenda> Will we still talk a bit about the IRC problem when this is finished?
[10:21] <jenda> aha, right.
[10:22] <elmo> hey, I'm stuck at the office without food - this isn't fun for me either :-P
[10:23] <sabdfl> elmo: indian?
[10:23] <elmo> sabdfl: they only deliver for you
[10:24] <sabdfl> i could deliver for you
[10:24] <juliux> if you are in germany in the next months take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances we are happy if somebody can join us at one of this expos ;)
[10:25] <elmo> sabdfl: haha, thanks, but it's OK, I'll just run away home, if we're done here
[10:25] <sabdfl> we're done. next datetime?
[10:25] <sabdfl> 17th?
[10:26] <Kamion> yes - 1200 UTC maybe?
[10:26] <elmo> works for me
[10:26] <sharms> I was wondering if anyone knows who made those ubuntu t-shirts printed on ubutnu brown?
[10:26] <sabdfl> tollef, iirc
[10:27] <sabdfl> is 12:00 UTC still 13:00 BST then?
[10:27] <mc44> sabdfl, yes
[10:27] <mc44> until 29th
[10:28] <matid> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=17&year=2006&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[10:28] <matid> ;)
[10:29] <sabdfl> ok see you folks then - i'll update the page
[10:30] <Kamion> sabdfl: thanks
[10:30] <sabdfl> done
[10:30] <sabdfl> night all!
[10:30] <matid> Good night!
[10:30] <juliux> gn8 
[10:46] <kristog> night
[12:01] <zenwhen> hey