[07:45] <cbx33> mornin all
[07:53] <highvoltage> morning see bee ex
[07:54] <cbx33> mornin sparky
[08:03] <highvoltage> :)
[08:03] <highvoltage> do you perhaps know what the keyboard shortcut in evolution is to mark a message as read / unread?
[08:03] <highvoltage> i used to use 'm' in thunderbird and I still keep pressing it in evolution :/
[08:05] <cbx33> sorry nope
[08:06] <highvoltage> cool, comma and point navigates between unread messages
[08:07] <cbx33> heheh
[08:09] <DeMoNSeEd> highvoltage, 
[08:09] <DeMoNSeEd> maybe this will help
[08:09] <DeMoNSeEd> http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/keys.shtml
[08:11] <DeMoNSeEd> that help any?
[08:14] <highvoltage> no, it doesn't have such a shortcut
[08:14] <DeMoNSeEd> grr
[08:14] <DeMoNSeEd> sorry
[08:14] <highvoltage> no problem, found some other useful ones :)
[08:15] <DeMoNSeEd> this just in;  highvoltage started a hunger strike today, when asked what his goal was, he replied.."i just want my M back'.....more to come at 11:00
[08:16] <DeMoNSeEd> why you using Evo anyhoo?
[08:17] <highvoltage> it has a nice to-do list :)
[08:17] <DeMoNSeEd> rotf
[08:17] <DeMoNSeEd> kk, makes sense
[08:23] <DeMoNSeEd> bbl
[08:31] <RichEd> greetz :)
[08:37] <highvoltage> 5greetings
[08:39] <RichEd> I'll see your 5greetings and raise you 2greetings
[08:39] <highvoltage> you're on
[08:39] <RichEd> :) how are you doing ?
[08:41] <highvoltage> doing well, except that amobia couldn't install my internet yesterday :(
[08:42] <highvoltage> they can see their highsite from my place, but it's pointing in the other direction, so they'll put up another antenna on their highsite early next week.
[08:42] <RichEd> Well I gues that disappointment comes from trusting a single celled organism. Even Telkom is a more advanced life form.
[08:42] <RichEd> ;)
[08:42] <highvoltage> hiehie
[08:43] <highvoltage> I think I'll crack a joke about them about that. :)
[09:02] <TeePOG> morning all
[09:03] <RichEd> hi TeePOG :)
[09:04] <TeePOG> morning RichEd
[10:58] <RichEd> Seveas: ping
[10:58] <Seveas> RichEd, pong
[12:18] <h70> hello
[12:19] <h70> someone listening?
[12:19] <RichEd> indeed ... welcom h70 
[12:20] <RichEd> *welcome
[12:20] <h70> RichEd: Hi!
[12:20] <cbx33> hey RichEd 
[12:20] <cbx33> hi h70
[12:21] <RichEd> cbx33: hi ho !
[12:21] <RichEd> h70: Got a question, or just feeling the need to say hi & chat ?
[12:21] <cbx33> hehe
[12:21] <h70> RichEd: i try to install edubuntu, client is booting but i cannot login. someone an idea?
[12:21] <cbx33> h70 have you changed it's ip address since installation?
[12:22] <RichEd> cbx33: ^^ thanks ... this seems to be the most frequent question we have.
[12:22] <cbx33> indeed
[12:22] <cbx33> and it's fixed in edgy I beleive
[12:23] <h70> i've 2 nics, but the second nic was not configured auto. i rewrote etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf and configured the second nic 
[12:24] <cbx33> hmm
[12:24] <cbx33> try running 
[12:24] <cbx33> ltsp-update-sshkeys I think the command is
[12:28] <ogra> h70, are you using the edgy beta preview ? or dapper ?
[12:29] <h70> ok, that was it. btw. the thin-client got its IP (192.168.1.1)  over dhcp and ltsp-update generated a key for this IP. do i've to run ltsp-update-sshkeys if i add a client?  
[12:29] <ogra> no, only if you changed the ip range in the dhcpd.conf
[12:30] <ogra> in dapper that didnt automatically update the ssh keys ... in edgy it does (thats why i asked which version you use)
[12:30] <cbx33> ;)
[12:31] <h70> how to find out: edgy or dapper ?
[12:32] <ogra> type: lsb_release -a 
[12:32] <ogra> in a terminal window
[12:32] <h70> dapper
[12:32] <ogra> Codename should have the value you look for
[12:32] <ogra> ok
[12:32] <cbx33> ogra: cool I never heard of that
[12:33] <ogra> then its a) normal that you have to configure the second NIC manually and b) that you have to run ltsp-update-sshkeys afetr changing the IP
[12:33] <ogra> both features are in edgy ... but not in dapper
[12:34] <cbx33> heh
[12:36] <h70> thank you. after dinner i will try to setup pxe-booting for special hardware. bye bye! 
[12:37] <cbx33> bye h70
[12:37] <ogra> just come back if you have questions :)
[01:35] <ogra> ******* REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting (and EC) in ~30min in #ubuntu-meeting ********
[01:36] <cbx33> ogra: I'm not goign to be able to make this one
[01:36] <cbx33> going to doctors 
[01:36] <cbx33> about my sleeping disorder ;)
[01:36] <ogra> dont worry ...
[01:37] <cbx33> anything you need to say to me
[01:37] <cbx33> did you getthat 640x480?
[01:37] <ogra> yes
[01:37] <ogra> packaging it now ...
[01:37] <cbx33> please check it works....
[01:38] <cbx33> the palettes should be the same
[01:38] <cbx33> Iused the same palette file
[01:39] <ogra> i'll try it ... will be in today ... 
[01:45] <ogra> ******* REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting (and EC) in ~15min in #ubuntu-meeting ********
[01:55] <ogra> ******* REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting (and EC) in ~5min in #ubuntu-meeting ********
[02:01] <highvoltage> PING!
[02:02] <willvdl> Ow, my ears
[02:03] <ogra> ******* REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting (and EC) now in #ubuntu-meeting ********
[02:22] <highvoltage> willvdl: http://duke.za.net/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi
[02:23] <willvdl> cool. will try
[02:24] <willvdl> works. is duke.za yours?
[02:25] <highvoltage> it's a friend's.
[02:25] <highvoltage> I asked him if he could change his cgi irc setup for us for the next hour or so.
[02:26] <highvoltage> I'll get him to put one up that works permanently as well.
[02:27] <willvdl> cool. some companies have very strict policies on comms
[02:28] <willvdl> for HP to get on irc is difficult, would have to change "global" policy
[02:28] <highvoltage> some people are very good at getting around them :)
[02:28] <highvoltage> many IRC server listen on ports like 22, 25, etc. so you can just connect trough a port that is not blocked :)
[02:29] <highvoltage> although... vodacom does quite a lot more to block you off, and their policies are strict.
[02:29] <highvoltage> I wonder what the policy says about using IRC on your laptop through your phone.
[02:30] <willvdl> I connect through my card obviously
[02:56] <highvoltage> ogra: today I looked at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html for the first time, there should be a 'howto configure ltsp' section too, right?
[02:56] <highvoltage> (didn't want to ask in -meeting since it's not edubuntu-specific enough)
[02:56] <ogra> sbalneav is working on that
[02:56] <ogra> ltsp.org will also soon have our docs
[02:56] <ogra> and we'll have theirs 
[02:57] <ogra> he's merging them
[02:57] <highvoltage> great :)
[02:57] <RichEd> I was about to raise that in the meeting ... does sbalneav need any help ... with formatting or style for integration into cookbook / handbook etc.
[02:57] <ogra> we can ask him if he shows up :)
[04:03] <bddebian> Heya
[04:07] <rodarvus> reboot, I'll be right back
[04:14] <ogra> RichEd, try to use Capital letters for every word in a link
[04:14] <juliux> that is a long reboot ;)
[04:14] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Education/Planning would have been the right wiki syntax for example 
[04:15] <carsten> edu.kde.org has a new layout
[04:15] <RichEd> ogra: I've has long debates about the wiki CamelCase autolink and what people expect to find out in the web in general ...
[04:15] <ogra> (but indeed that means your pages need to be created with such names)
[04:15] <RichEd> *had
[04:15] <ogra> well, its a convention we all use :)
[04:15] <RichEd> For example, I would never dream of typing http://www.ubuntu.com/Education/Solutions ... 
[04:16] <ogra> users would :)
[04:16] <ogra> atleast if they have used a wiki before
[04:16] <RichEd> I would always use lowe case ... not a mix
[04:16] <RichEd> *lower
[04:16] <ogra> well, people familiar with wikis expect it like that
[04:16] <ogra> carsten, thanks for the notification :)
[04:17] <RichEd> Yes. But I'd say that 80% of our users haven't. Again, I am not expecting anyone to change, I am really using the wiki only for planning for the end space.
[04:18] <RichEd> So I am just trying to fit my structures around what people would expect to find out in the wild on the web
[04:18] <ogra> right, but i assume more than 60% of our users have wikipedia experience :)
[04:19] <ogra> its simply the way wikis work ...
[04:20] <RichEd> Not to labour the point, but my thinking approach was for all the following to be a natural "guess and type and load" landing page:
[04:20] <RichEd> http://www.canonical.com/education
[04:20] <RichEd> http://www.ubuntu.com/education
[04:20] <RichEd> http://www.edubuntu.org/education
[04:20] <RichEd> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/education
[04:20] <RichEd> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/education
[04:21] <ogra> well, people familiar with wikis would use Education
[04:21] <ogra> and even better EducationPlanning :)
[04:21] <ogra> or EducationPlanningtopics
[04:21] <ogra> err
[04:21] <ogra> EducationPlanningTopics
[04:22] <ogra> but anyway do it as you like, you will just run into problems with others if you do that 
[04:22] <RichEd> But then on www.ubuntu.com with a natural folder and file structure, it would be www.ubuntu.com/education/planning/topics
[04:23] <ogra> nobody can force you to do it differently than you like ;)
[04:23] <ogra> its not a website, its a wiki
[04:23] <ogra> so people expect wiki annotation ... because they typed wiki.xyz.com
[04:24] <ogra> the annotation indicated that i'm allowed to change it for example ...
[04:24] <RichEd> Yes, but I am trying to get one structure that works on all ... and it's a temporary holding zone for planning docs which will disappear.
[04:24] <ogra> i'm not allowed to change a website ...
[04:24] <ogra> but can trash your docs on the wiki as i like
[04:24] <Amaranth> Well, I won't be going to Mountain View.
[04:24] <ogra> Amaranth, :(
[04:39] <Amaranth> I could definitely pay for my plane ticket but I don't think I want to sleep in a park. :P
[04:42] <Amaranth> hmm, $486 for a roundtrip flight from omaha to san jose and a hotel in fremont for a week
[04:42] <Amaranth> but i have no idea where these places are and i don't drive :P
[04:43] <lucasvo> who's being sponsored?
[04:43] <Amaranth> no idea
[04:56] <willvdl> highvoltage, ping
[05:42] <sbalneav> Morning all
[05:50] <highvoltage> hey sbalneav!
[06:01] <gnomefreak> ogra: do you have a minute. i was told to attach the output of gnome-screensaver --no-daemon --debug  and i cant output it to a file its something that keeps going it seems it doesnt end. this is for the webcollage g-s bug
[06:01] <gnomefreak> do you need this output to fix?
[06:34] <LaserJock_> did RichEd get the required votes?
[06:41] <highvoltage> LaserJock_: indeed
[06:41] <LaserJock_> ok
[06:41] <LaserJock_> I just say the LP email
[06:41] <LaserJock_> *saw
[06:41] <LaserJock_> and wondered
[06:41] <LaserJock_> very cool
[06:41] <highvoltage> JaneW voted by e-ail
[06:41] <highvoltage> *e-mail
[06:41] <highvoltage> so it was 3/5 votes
[06:42] <LaserJock_> no jerome?
[06:42] <highvoltage> he still has access problems
[06:42] <highvoltage> the next phase is to vote riched in as an EC member, we will need a 100% vote for that.
[06:43] <highvoltage> JaneW will then terminate her EC status.
[06:43] <highvoltage> so we'll vote on that at next EC.
[06:45] <LaserJock_> ah
[06:45] <LaserJock_> well, the next one should not be 5am for me ;-)
[06:47] <highvoltage> :-)
[06:48] <LaserJock_> ok, I'm off
[06:48] <LaserJock_> just wanted to make sure RichEd's confirmation wasn't waiting for me or something ;-)
[06:48] <LaserJock_> bbiab
[06:58] <RichEd> hi ... been watching my name pop up all over ... was on a con call ...
[06:59] <highvoltage> hey hey leave your con jobs out of #edubuntu ;)
[06:59] <RichEd> Going out for dinner now with one of the EC member in question above ;)
[07:00] <highvoltage> please thank her from us for this afternoon
[07:00] <RichEd> will do :)
[07:00] <highvoltage> enjoy!
[07:00] <RichEd> Have a good day / evening / morning / all-nighter <- delete whichever is not applicable for your time zone or energy level
[07:03] <highvoltage> you too
[08:38] <Petaris> I just restarted my server and now winbindd will not start
[08:38] <Petaris> Is anyone avaliable to help me debug?
[08:39] <Petaris> this is quite criticle as no users can logon without winbindd running
[08:40] <sbalneav> Petaris: I'm not at all familiar with it, but I can help you look for obvious problems.
[08:40] <Petaris> ok
[08:40] <sbalneav> Does it produce anything in /var/log?
[08:40] <Petaris> in samba.log it says
[08:40] <Petaris> [2006/10/04 13:36:12, 0]  nsswitch/winbindd.c:main(1071)
[08:40] <Petaris>   unable to initalize domain list
[08:42] <sbalneav> Was there an update? that seems to indicate that something with nsswitch changes.
[08:42] <sbalneav> changed.
[08:44] <sbalneav> What's in the nbd log?  Could there be another samba/CIFS server out there that's claimed master?
[08:44] <sbalneav> Perhaps pasting your smb.conf file to the pastebin might help.
[08:44] <sbalneav> !pastbin
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:45] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[08:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[08:48] <Petaris> not sure, its not set to be master browser
[08:48] <Petaris> I'm checking nss config now
[08:55] <Petaris> ok I think I got it
[08:55] <Petaris> not sure what the issue was though
[08:56] <Petaris> it could have been a DNS issue on the win2k servers side
[08:56] <sbalneav> When in doubt, I usually find it safe to blame Microsoft products :)
[08:58] <LaserJock> heh
[09:00] <Petaris> haha
[09:00] <Petaris> me too
[09:00] <Petaris> but I'm still seeing odd things so I better look deeper into it
[09:01] <Petaris> for the momment it seems to be working though
[09:03] <tomveens> Is there an irc channel voor the people of ubuntuvideo.com
[09:04] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Did I miss the edubuntu meeting?
[09:04] <LaserJock> I did
[09:05] <LaserJock> 5 am here
[09:05] <sbalneav> Meh.
[09:05] <LaserJock> sbalneav: did you miss it?
[09:06] <sbalneav> Yeah, I thought it was at 20:00, but that's next week.
[09:16] <sbalneav> Hello HedgeMage
[09:16] <HedgeMage> hi sbalneav 
[09:22] <Burgwork> tomveens, ubuntuvideo is done by johnlittle, who hangs out in #ubuntu-marketing
[09:22] <Petaris> I was wrong
[09:22] <Petaris> it isn
[09:22] <Petaris> er, it isn
[09:22] <Petaris> grr
[09:22] <Petaris> it isn't fixed
[09:23] <Petaris> all user logons authenticated through ads are broken
[09:24] <Petaris> and I'm now fairly certain its on the edubuntu side
[09:24] <Petaris> some update or other to smaba or nss
[09:27] <tomveens> Burgwork: Thank you!
[09:50] <Petaris> ok
[09:50] <Petaris> I'm pretty sure the issue is with dns
[09:59] <Petaris> ok
[09:59] <Petaris> something modified /etc/resolv.conf and removed the win2k DNS server
[09:59] <Petaris> :/
[09:59] <Petaris> that seems to have been the root of the problem
[10:00] <cbx33> evenin all
[10:05] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[10:05] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[10:09] <Petaris> ok
[10:09] <Petaris> seems to be all working fine now
[10:09] <Petaris> time to go home
[10:10] <cbx33> ogra, you aroud buddy
[10:23] <rodarvus> ogra, if you are around, go get a life :D
[10:26] <rodarvus> cbx33, speaking seriously now, ogra has a meeting in ~ 10 hours, in theory he should be preparing to go to bed by now
[10:28] <LaserJock> rodarvus: hi
[10:28] <rodarvus> hi LaserJock!
[10:31] <LaserJock> rodarvus: how have you been?
[10:31] <rodarvus> busy :)
[10:31] <LaserJock> I bet
[10:31] <LaserJock> been doing much OLPC stuff?
[10:31] <rodarvus> I've just found out I'll be host for three different groups in UDS :D
[10:32] <LaserJock> interesting
[10:32] <rodarvus> olpc, desktop-effects and another unnamed group
[10:32] <Burgwork> rodarvus, you involved with landscape?
[10:32] <rodarvus> btw, I noticed the invites were mostly sent already
[10:32] <rodarvus> Burgwork, no
[10:33] <LaserJock> rodarvus: should be all sent, I think
[10:34] <rodarvus> not really, we are still adding more people to the queue
[10:34] <rodarvus> (not for edubuntu though, I think :/ )
[10:34] <rodarvus> edubuntu has pretty much used all of its slots
[10:36] <lucasvo> ogra: about that hostname bug, tell me then, how I can change it after the install?
[10:36] <lucasvo> cbx33: you go to MV?
[10:38] <sbalneav> What's the best way to search for all specs targetted for edy plus 1?
[10:38] <sbalneav> s/edy/edgy/
[10:39] <LaserJock> I don't think there are any yet
[10:39] <LaserJock> specifically targeted to edgy+1
[10:39] <sbalneav> Can I target a spec for +1?  Or is that something that "someone special" has to do?
[10:39] <rodarvus> sbalneav, no specs are targetted for edgy+1 (this version of ubuntu doesn't exists on launchpad yet)
[10:39] <sbalneav> ah, ok
[10:40] <rodarvus> sbalneav, but you can search for specs targetted for discussion at UDS Mountain View
[10:40] <rodarvus> this is were most (all?) specs targetted for edgy+1 will come from
[10:40] <sbalneav> Ah!  And how does one do that?
[10:40] <rodarvus> sbalneav, https://features.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-mtv
[10:40] <sbalneav> peeeerrrrrfect.
[10:41] <rodarvus> sbalneav, also https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs has all specs for Ubuntu, and their current state
[10:41] <LaserJock> do we have a list of ideas to spec yet?
[10:42] <rodarvus> I'll send an announcement to the ubuntu-devel@ and ubuntu-users@ mailing list today, talking in depth about the subject (specs for discussion on UDS Mountain View, and edgy+1 work)
[10:43] <sbalneav> How does one add, say, https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound, to the discussion lists?
[10:43] <rodarvus> sbalneav, I've just did it for you :)
[10:43] <rodarvus> "Propose for meeting agenda" -> "UDS Mountain View"
[10:44] <sbalneav> Ahh HAH
[10:44] <sbalneav> got it.
[10:44] <sbalneav> OK, I've got a couple of things I'd like to put on the table.  I'll spec a bit tonight then.
[10:44] <sbalneav> Thanks!
[10:45] <rodarvus> when we get near the meeting (say, on the week before) all specs will be prioritized
[10:45] <rodarvus> the higher the priority, the bigger the chance of the spec to be allocated time
[10:46] <rodarvus> in other words, all 'essential' and 'high' priority specs are talked for sure. Most 'normal' specs are talked too (but may be delayed to the end of the week, depending on how the high priority specs go)
[10:46] <rodarvus> low priority specs usually are only discussed if you (and interested people) have free time and are willing to brainstorm it informally
[10:51] <rodarvus> I need to take my daughter to the doctor (routine check), will be back in a few hours
[11:53] <bdoin> is GCompris really broken, I saw an email from edubuntu-users list
[12:01] <Burgwork> bdoin, just a sec
[12:11] <LaserJock> bdoin: it's not broken for me
[12:13] <bdoin> ok, I suspect a fullscreen issue for this person
[12:13] <LaserJock> I wonder what the issue is
[12:14] <LaserJock> hmm
[12:14] <bdoin> did you tried the fullscreen mode ?
[12:14] <LaserJock> I don't think so