[12:33] <Riddell> goldenear: I do, but you should be able to get kde4base from edgy now
[12:38] <goldenear> Riddell: I still have the wrong size message...
[12:41] <Riddell> it won't be released in january, much later than that
[12:42] <Riddell> goldenear: just get it from the normal ubuntu archive, not mine
[12:42] <goldenear> It seems to work now after an apt-get clean
[12:43] <Riddell> groovy :)
[12:43] <Riddell> good luck, I'm off to bed
[12:43] <goldenear> :)
[12:43] <goldenear> good night
[12:43] <goldenear> nop... it doesn't work...
[12:44] <goldenear> same problem :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
[12:47] <goldenear> oops, I've a problem with my keyboard
[12:47] <goldenear> ok, I remove your repository from my source list and it works :)
[12:47] <goldenear> kde 4 installed :)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> hey all
[05:34] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[05:34] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[05:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did we get packages for testing?
[05:35] <imbrandon> of?
[05:35] <imbrandon> 3.5.5 ?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:35] <imbrandon> yea riddell put some up but i cant use them yet ( i386 only )
[05:36] <imbrandon> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 edgy main
[05:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:38] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Have you checked your space/bandwidth on DH today ?
[05:39] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Your allowed space/bandwidth that is
[05:39] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, no but i should be no where near it
[05:39] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: You won't be after todays nice little bonus they added
[05:39] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: They upped everything by 10x
[05:40] <Hawkwind> So your 20GB is now 200GB space, and your bandwidth is now 2TB per month
[05:40] <imbrandon> holy shit they did ?
[05:40] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Yeppers
[05:40] <Lathiat> DH?
[05:40] <imbrandon> my bandwidth was 2TB before
[05:40] <Hawkwind> http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting.html
[05:40] <Hobbsee> dreamhost
[05:40] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Then it's 4TB probably
[05:41] <imbrandon> HOLY JESUS
[05:42] <Hawkwind> Hah
[05:42] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Isn't that really nice
[05:42] <imbrandon> yea 400gb disk space and 4TB bandwidth
[05:42] <imbrandon> is this perminate ?
[05:42] <Hawkwind> Hah
[05:42] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Yeppers
[05:42] <Hawkwind> Read that URL I posted
[05:42] <imbrandon> nice
[05:42] <Hawkwind> The URL is for new users, but the space/bw is for all current users
[05:42] <imbrandon> i got the news letter yesterday but i dident read it yet
[05:43] <imbrandon> dude that rocks
[05:43] <imbrandon> did you ever get an account ?
[05:43] <Hawkwind> I just signed up tonight because of this deal :)
[05:44] <imbrandon> nice
[05:44] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: I paid $19.41 for a full year of the smallest package deal.  200GB/space and 2TB/bandwidth for under $20 for the first year
[05:44] <imbrandon> very cool
[05:44] <imbrandon> 20$ for the full YEAR
[05:44] <imbrandon> or 20 a month ?
[05:45] <Hawkwind> My 1and1 account just renewed 3 days ago so I've got 3 months to get everything transferred over
[05:45] <Hawkwind> $20 for the first *year* :)
[05:45] <imbrandon> fskin nice, i payed almost 300 for my first year
[05:45] <imbrandon> lol
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Heh
[05:45] <Hawkwind> They are offering a $99.99 code for today only
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Not like I couldn't get a $97 code tomorrow of course from a couple of people
[05:45] <imbrandon> very cool
[05:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:46] <Hawkwind> abattoir just signed up with them about a week ago and got the 20GB account.  He's going to freak when he sees it's now 200GB
[05:46] <imbrandon> heh you all should have signed up under me ;)
[05:46] <imbrandon> lol
[05:47] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Another friend of mine gave him the code so he got the great deal :)
[05:47] <imbrandon> dude i'm gonna go play with my wesite hehe
[05:47] <Hawkwind> LOL.  Lots of stuff to fill up that space now
[05:47] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, well if you know anyone else i'll hook them up ;)
[05:47] <imbrandon> yup yup
[05:47] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Kewl kewl. I'll be able to give out codes now too :)
[05:47] <imbrandon> well i host a few other people too, i'm gonna up their limits
[05:47] <Hawkwind> Means I've got work to do on my website now since I have a banner for 1and1 across each page of it
[05:48] <imbrandon> thanks for pointing that out man
[05:48] <imbrandon> that ROCKS
[05:48] <Hawkwind> Heh no problem.  I knew you'd be excited
[05:49] <Hawkwind> The only reason I hadn't switched yet was because of the drop in space I would take from 150GB to 60GB.  Now I get more space for half the price :)
[07:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: do we know what happened to the later version of kopete?
[07:01] <imbrandon> as in ?
[07:01] <imbrandon> what kopete ?
[07:02] <Hobbsee> kopete is supposed to release 0.12.3 with kde 3.5.5
[07:03] <Hobbsee> [15:03]  *** The channel topic is ""Kopete 0.12.3 to be released with KDE 3.5.5 || Kopete 0.12.2 downloadable at http://kopete.kde.org/releases.php || Where do you use Kopete? http://www.frappr.com/kopetepeople || Kopete: Home to the sexiest IM developers in the world.  || Want to help with Kopete 1.0? See http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Setup+KDE4DevEnv to get started || MSN is sick (server side):
[07:03] <Hobbsee> http://status.messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx".
[07:04] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ahh then its probably with kdenetowrk like it was before
[07:04] <Hobbsee> we're keeping it split, iirc
[07:04] <imbrandon> right but it might not be at this moment
[07:04] <Hobbsee> kde.org changed their site :)
[07:05] <Hobbsee> http://kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_4to3_5_5.php
[07:08] <Hobbsee> hey nice, hopefully this means we have less trouble with kdesu
[07:12] <Hobbsee> Conversation with su failed.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> hha
[07:12] <Hobbsee> *hah
[07:12] <Hobbsee> when trying to launch adept, from the kmenu
[07:16] <Hobbsee> same with trying to hit administrator password in system settings
[07:16] <Hobbsee> apart from that, i havent noticed any problems
[07:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:17] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, yes there is
[07:17] <Hobbsee> show windows from all desktops no longer works
[07:17] <Hobbsee> what the....
[07:17] <Hobbsee> kicker's very borked
[07:18] <imbrandon> i'm sure your testing all this on a new user account right ?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> um, no?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> good point
[07:18] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:18] <imbrandon> and those are untested debs ( even by Riddell himself ) heh
[07:18] <imbrandon> anyhow brb i got to reboot ;)
[07:24] <nixternal> you gotta love bip, he says he is rebooting yet he never leaves ;)
[07:31] <Hobbsee> awww crap
[07:33] <Lathiat> ouch
[07:35] <Hobbsee> mv .kde_old/ .kde doesnt seem to ovewrite the .kde/ folder as i would have expected
[07:35] <Hobbsee> it just deletes .kde_old and keeps .kde/
[07:35] <Lathiat> erm
[07:35] <Lathiat> no
[07:35] <Lathiat> it would have moved to .kde/.kde_old
[07:36] <Lathiat> so you probably havent lost it )
[07:36] <Lathiat> so mv .kde .kde2; mv .kde2/.kde_old .kde
[07:36] <Lathiat> should get you back right
[07:39] <Lathiat> assuming you didnt go rm -rf .kde in a fit of rage :)
[07:39] <imbrandon> heh
[07:40] <Lathiat> (because thats what i'd do)
[07:41] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: what's the last bit?  just .kde?
[07:42] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:45] <fubuntu> hello, do any of you guys have a funny module.h?
[07:45] <fubuntu> mine's hilariously stupid
[07:46] <fubuntu> ... can someone please help me figure out why i get 'attr' and 'kobj' errors when compiling modules?
[07:46] <fubuntu> google's lost its touch for this subject
[07:57] <nixternal> i guess #kubuntu-devel has as well ;)
[07:57] <nixternal> oh well, g'nite
[08:10] <Hobbsee> argh.  it's a bug in pager or something.
[08:13] <Hobbsee> grr.
[08:50] <allee> moin
[08:53] <Hobbsee> hey allee 
[08:55] <allee> Hi Hobbsee, eventually I started the kde-extras in alioth for kubuntu pkgs page.  Suggestions for a good pagename welcome ;)
[08:56] <Hobbsee> allee: yay :)
[08:56] <Hobbsee> allee: i was always shocking with names.
[08:57] <allee> Hobbsee: heh.  When it keeps raining I may even finish it today ;)
[08:58] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[08:58] <Hobbsee> what's in it?
[08:58] <Hobbsee> well, will more be put in it?
[08:58] <allee> wiki or svn?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> svn, i think
[09:01] <allee> Hobbsee: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde contains all KDE main pkgs and in kde-extras lots of others kde apps
[09:02] <allee> Hobbsee: what will be added depends on the KDE Extras devels (and of course the kubuntu devels)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> allee: yeah, fair enough
[09:03] <Hobbsee> allee: i've just had a thought.  for any new kde programs, should we be shoving them into debian first, then syncing them?
[09:03] <allee> Hobbsee: that's what I do ;)
[09:03] <Hobbsee> allee: right.  who do we have to upload to the debian repos?  you a DD?
[09:04] <allee> no.  DD process was a night mare when I felt motivated.  Now I have a quick sponsor and motivation drop to near yero ;)
[09:04] <Hobbsee> allee: near yero?
[09:04] <allee> Not sure I'll ever try to apply for DD
[09:05] <Hobbsee> allee: nice, okay.  so it's not hard to get stuff in
[09:05] <allee> argl. german keyboard. s/yero/zero/
[09:05] <Hobbsee> ahh :)
[09:24] <fabo> Hobbsee: could you confirm 62790
[09:30] <imbrandon> bug 62790
[09:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62790 in kvpnc "Please sync kvpnc (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62790
[09:31] <imbrandon> fabo, done
[09:31] <imbrandon> fabo, you do kbfx in debian also right ?
[09:31] <fabo> yes
[09:32] <imbrandon> fabo, wana request a sync for that real fast too and i'll ack it
[09:32] <imbrandon> shouldent be any delta iirc
[09:32] <imbrandon> but make sure
[09:32] <fabo> imbrandon: i fixed some bug upstream, and a new release should be published. it explains why i didn't request a sync atm
[09:33] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[09:33] <fabo> i want to have 0.4.9.2 final instead rc :)
[09:34] <imbrandon> right , but will they release in time to get it in edgy
[09:34] <imbrandon> ?
[09:34] <fabo> it must be released tomorrow
[09:35] <imbrandon> ahh nice ok
[09:35] <fabo> if they don't release it, i'll prepare at least 0492+cvs patch
[09:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:36] <fabo> anyway, thks for kvpnc confirmation :)
[09:58] <allee> fabo: hi
[09:59] <allee> fabo: any idea how to name a wiki page that invits kubuntu devels to commit their kubuntu independent changes directly to kde-extras repo?
[10:08] <allee> fabo: a start of the page exists only in my kate puffer right now ;)
[10:16] <fabo> allee: kutnubu or kubuntu debian collaboration (KDC) or kubuntu debian collaborative maintenance ;)
[10:21] <allee> fabo: mhhm, too general :( Tt's KDE apps only   KDEAppsDebianPkgCollaboration KDEAppsDebianCollaboration KDEExtrasPkg KDEExtrasKubuntu ... ?
[10:23] <fabo> allee: only extras package could be affected or also core kde modules ?
[10:25] <allee> fabo: kde core stuff is different I assume.  I _assume_ that some sort of well knownness of the author to the Qt/KDE Team is necessary before one get's commit rights
[10:27] <allee> fabo: well, to get some kde-extra commit right, he/she should be known in this channel ;) 
[10:28] <fabo> so we can go for KubuntuDebianKDEExtrasCollaboration ;)
[10:28] <allee> Long but cool :)
[10:29] <fabo> all informations are in the title ;)
[10:29] <allee> right. I'll use it.
[10:31] <allee> fabo: in the case for kde apps not yet in kde-extras.  Any idea about a policy?  Okay to commit right away independent if there's a sponsor right now, or first ask on pkg-kde-extras ml?
[10:31] <imbrandon> KubuntuKDEExtras sounds good to me
[10:31] <imbrandon> allee, and it would be nice if i could get commit access
[10:32] <allee> imbrandon: ah, a test user.  See: http://rafb.net/paste/results/LmAQJs83.html
[10:33] <allee> imbrandon: it's quite some time ago that I went through the procedure.  I hope I remembered it right ;)
[10:34] <fabo> allee: any kde apps not yet in kde-extras ? :D
[10:35] <allee> fabo: I doubt that you miss one!
[10:35] <fabo> allee: if you ahev commit rights, i assume that you can commit right away
[10:36] <fabo> have
[10:36] <allee> fabo: yes, the ACL is valid for everything below kde-extras
[10:36] <fabo> allee: and i have done like that. i mean when i want to add a new package, i push it without asking on  ml
[10:38] <allee> fabo: can you add a paragraph how to do it?   I used svn-inject only once ;)
[10:39] <fabo> allee: i never used any svn-* tools :)
[10:39] <allee> fabo: really?  I thought you're the expert :)
[10:39] <fabo> oh no it is mark :=)
[10:40] <fabo> but i know some tricks that we can use
[10:41] <allee> heh, this proves that svn-* knowledge is not necessary. Good.
[10:41] <fabo> i'll complete the wiki page when you finish to work on it ;)
[11:04] <fabo> imbrandon: i saw that you worked on dh_iconcache ?
[11:04] <imbrandon> yea i did a few of those last cycle
[11:05] <fabo> imbrandon: in gnome.mk they use dh_iconcache , is it the same behavior for kde ?
[11:05] <imbrandon> it is now, wasent the case then ( those were done about 5 months ago )
[11:05] <fabo> oh nice :)
[11:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:06] <fabo> imbrandon: coul you take a look at 62306 :)
[11:06] <fabo> +d
[11:06] <imbrandon> sure , bug 62306
[11:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62306 in kimdaba "Please sync kimdaba (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62306
[11:06] <fabo> my last issue was dh_iconcache ;)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> fabo: correct.  i hacked it :P
[11:07] <fabo> so if it is now in kde.mk, it's resolved :p
[11:07] <fabo> Hobbsee: good work :)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:08] <imbrandon> fabo, done ( it does use kde.mk correct ? )
[11:09] <fabo> yes
[11:09] <fabo> thks all ;)
[11:09] <imbrandon> kk commented and ack'd
[11:49] <Hobbsee> that's darned unacceptable.
[12:18] <allee> fabo, imbrandon and all others: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEExtras
[12:18] <allee> please fix any bug, stupid explanations ^^
[12:19] <allee> it stopped raining here, so I have work outside this afternoon.  BB tonight.
[12:49] <Tonio__> imbrandon: ping ?
[12:50] <imbrandon> Tonio__, pong
[12:51] <Tonio__> imbrandon: I'm currently porting all beryl packages to edgy, fancy testing when done ?
[12:51] <Tonio__> I tested and that's pretty nice :)
[12:52] <imbrandon> Tonio__, sure
[12:52] <Tonio__> okay I'll let you know :)
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: tried kde 3.5.5 yet?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> *has only had two bugs*
[01:38] <Hobbsee> one showstopper, one great annoyance.
[01:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: not yet, but I will give a try today
[01:42] <fabo> Qt 4.2.0 released also
[01:42] <Riddell> fabo: pubilcly?
[01:43] <fabo> yes
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you remind me the repo for 3.5.5 ?
[01:43] <Riddell> ooh, so it is
[01:43] <Riddell> 18:14 < Riddell> ** for the brave   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main
[01:43] <Tm_T> :)
[01:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'll try those
[01:45] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: so, upgrade went smooth?
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks
[01:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's the bugs?  kdesu presumably
[01:46] <Lure> Riddell: 355 is ok today, just kdesu and desktop pager bug are still here
[01:46] <Tm_T> Lure: what pager bug?
[01:47] <Lure> Tm_T: desktop pager in panel does not work (cannot move windows, cannot switch desktops)
[01:47] <Tm_T> weird
[01:47] <Lure> Tm_T: multiple desktops work though if I click already running app on tackbar
[01:47] <Lure> s/tackbar/taskbar/
[01:47] <Tm_T> works here just fine
[01:47] <Tm_T> but I compile from svn
[01:48] <Tm_T> I'll give a try to packaged one
[01:50] <Tonio_> for those interested i ntesting beryl : http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/
[01:51] <Tonio_> simply "apt-get install beryl emerald-themes", then start beryl-manager
[01:51] <Tm_T> what's beryl?
[01:51] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: it will add the nvidia-beta and all the other beryl apps?
[01:51] <gnomefreak> !beryl
[01:51] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[01:51] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: not the nvidia part
[01:51] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: ok
[01:52] <Tm_T> aah
[01:52] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: you have the list of packages I ported to edgy on the page
[01:53] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: a few bugs, but globaly it works, pretty nicelly
[01:53] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: mine worked for a while than emerald was causing beryl to crash i had reinstalled ubuntu to test beta disk and i havetn gotten back to it yet
[01:54] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I didn't experienced any crash here
[01:54] <Tonio_> but well that's just for fun, the future will be with metacity and kwin
[01:54] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: either way to run it you either need beta drivers or xgl and im not real happy with xgl
[01:55] <Tonio_> compiz/beryl or other projects are just demo things in my opinion
[01:55] <gnomefreak> agreed
[01:55] <Tonio_> as is xgl, too
[01:56] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: well with nvidia yes, but with intel chip, no need of this
[01:56] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: yeah i forgot intel
[01:56] <Tonio_> beryl is nice, except not as fluid as compiz in my opinion
[01:59] <Tonio_> I read on the web that we could have a good surprise with kwin in 3.5.6
[02:01] <gnomefreak> brb got an hour and half for updates
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kdesu, and the pager bug
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Lure: you still can switch desktops.  in fact, it all works if you get rid of the pager applet..
[02:02] <Hobbsee> i havent seen anything else yet
[02:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: do you see the kwallet icon in the systray ?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i've got it disabled anyway
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: point
[02:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah... because we need to find out if that bug is still there...... I will check myself in a few minutes :)
[02:05] <Lure> Tonio_: kwallet is still there in 355
[02:05] <Tonio_> Lure: kwallet is there or kwallet bug ? :)
[02:05] <Hobbsee> what's the kwallet bug?
[02:05] <Lure> Tonio_: it works as it should
[02:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it didn't appear in the systray with 3.5.3 and 3.5.4
[02:05] <Lure> Hobbsee: kwallet did not appear in taskbar
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:05] <Hobbsee> does now
[02:05] <Hobbsee> if you tell it to
[02:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I had to make a 3.5.2 downgrade patch
[02:06] <Hobbsee> ahh...
[02:09] <Hobbsee> it's there, taking up space :P
[02:12] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: confirmed for the pager applet
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: and kwallet doesn't need to be re-patched (good point !)
[02:13] <gnomefreak> i had kwallet in sys tray and up on my applications menu icon in gnome
[02:13] <gnomefreak> in 3.5.4
[02:13] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I patched it
[02:13] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:17] <Hobbsee> more upgrades :)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> meeting on the 5th, 2100 UTC?
[02:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: ping ?
[02:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: I don't find the kcontrol module to reconfigure keyboard shortcuts
[02:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: okay we have the gestures component, but they don't duplicate, they are complementary...
[02:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: there are things that you cannot configure without the first one
[02:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: for example the shortcut to switch to the next desktop
[02:22] <Tonio_> _Sime: we should had it back
[02:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: the "middle click scroll" bug is resolved :)
[02:23] <Tonio_> on textareas is pastes and doesn't activate the scroll
[02:24] <Tonio_> ah... no still there......
[02:24] <Tonio_> works on text input
[02:24] <gnomefreak> armarok gets the lyrics from an outside source right?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that's there....
[02:27] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if it works on text inputs and not textareas, I assume we should be able to patch this....
[02:27] <Tonio_> shouldn't be that complicated, I'll have a look
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sorry, i meant that the keyboard shortcuts module is still there.  such as shortcut to switching to next desktop
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: at least in current ubuntu version
[02:28] <Tonio_> were is it in k-s-s ?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: keyboard and mouse, keyboard shortcuts
[02:29] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhh, I thought that would be in accessibility
[02:29] <Hobbsee> nope
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: try the search bar :P
[02:29] <Tonio_> _Sime: forget me :)
[02:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, true hehe :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: :D
[02:32] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/20
[02:32] <Tonio_> minipager debdiff........
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's the status of kde 3.5.5 w.r.t kopete packages?
[02:33] <Tonio_> quite a lot of changes
[02:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm diffing with svn to see if there is potentially a fix
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice :)
[02:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I asked a kopete dude if there's been any changes but got no reply, we'll just stick with separate kopete packages unless I hear there's been any changes
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds good to me.  according to the topic in #kopete, they're distributing kopete 0.12.3 with kde 3.5.5, but i havent looked any closer with that.
[02:35] <Riddell> hmm, that sounds like there are changes
[02:36] <Hobbsee> rather
[02:38] <Tonio_> hi el
[02:39] <el> hi Tonio_ :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> hey el!
[02:45] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: sure he does.
[02:46] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: your kdeaddons bug that i was supposed to fix can go away now, too
[02:46] <Hobbsee> i cant see it in my inbox anymore
[02:46] <gnomefreak> ok let me see if i can find it. did i file it?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:48] <Hobbsee> i couldnt see it under kdeaddons
[02:48] <Hobbsee> it'll either be under that or metabar
[02:48] <gnomefreak> k looking
[02:52] <gnomefreak> the guy with the bank account issue?
[02:53] <gnomefreak> i dont have any left open on metabar/kdeaddons
[02:53] <gnomefreak> a bunch of crashes still open kicker konq. and so on
[02:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i can reproduce that bank account issue
[02:54] <gnomefreak> ok
[02:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I think I have a patch for minipager
[02:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let's build and we'll see in a moment
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: woot!
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sounds good to me :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> i want my pager back!
[02:54] <gnomefreak> marked it as confirmed
[02:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/21
[02:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: there was a change 3 days ago in the svn, 3.5 branch
[02:55] <Tonio_> and looking at the code, it talks about your problem (at least itseems too)
[02:55] <Tonio_> let's go :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice :)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you're rebuilding there?
[02:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, I'm testing and telling you
[02:56] <seaLne> anyone know what information is required for a usefull xorg bug about autodetection getting it wrong?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahh, gotcha :)
[02:58] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yes kopete 0.12.3 will be shipped in kde 3.5.5
[02:58] <Tm_T> 0.12 branch has been moved back to 3.5 branch
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: cool.  so where is it?  are they going to release it separately as well, or what?
[02:59] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: it's where kopete should be, kdenetwork
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: right.  guess that was a rather stupid question
[03:00] <Tm_T> how come?
[03:01] <Hobbsee> well, where else would they distribute it, if they werent releasing separately?
[03:01] <Tm_T> hmm, true
[03:01] <Tm_T> you just did ask before think, typical to humans
[03:04] <Hobbsee> you're calling me normal?  how odd.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> i guess you're calling me human.
[03:04] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:06] <Lure> seaLne: at least Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf
[03:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you plan to ask for uvf exception request for kde or is that definitly too late ?
[03:07] <seaLne> Lure: the issue is it uses ati instead of radeon which means it dosen't work
[03:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: if we can fix kdesu and desktop pager I do
[03:08] <Lure> seaLne: I think that "ati" is generic driver name and thsi driver is supposed to autodetect card and do "radeon" mode
[03:08] <Riddell> kdesu will be my fault, I'm looking at that now
[03:08] <Riddell> desktop pager I've no idea
[03:08] <Lure> Riddell: Tonio_ has some pacth for destkop
[03:08] <Riddell> oh?
[03:08] <Lure> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/21
[03:08] <Lure> in KDE svn 
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing to see if that fixes the pager
[03:09] <Lure> Riddell: we just need to test if it works
[03:09] <Tonio_> Lure: it is currently building here
[03:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: how did you work that out?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> seaLne: and maybe syslog?
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: diff with svn ;)
[03:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: there was a commit on minipager 3 days ago
[03:09] <Tonio_> on branch 3.5
[03:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: when did you sync this ?
[03:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: sync what?
[03:11] <Tonio_> the svn
[03:11] <Riddell> I've not touched svn
[03:12] <Tonio_> hehe, I'm just asking when did you get the svn source ? because there are differences between your tarball and the current content of 3.5 branch, especially concerning the minipager
[03:12] <Tonio_> that's how I got the diff
[03:13] <Tm_T> hrrr
[03:13] <Tm_T> login gave me hit with both bugs, pager and su
[03:15] <Tonio_> why isn't kde improving kdesu si that we can switch between su and sudo within a kdesurc file ?
[03:15] <Tonio_> that would be nice, lots of distros are using sudo now...
[03:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: I merged my kdesu sudo patches into 3.5 branch
[03:16] <Riddell> which is probably what's caused this problem
[03:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay :)
[03:17] <Tm_T> hmm, is there any temporary workaround? gksudo doesn't apply my settings to running app
[03:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the joystick modules, I think if we change the cxxflags just for that part, removing -ansi, we should be able to compile it
[03:18] <Tonio_> but I don't know if this is possible..... changing the flags just for a subfolder... in makefile.am probably ?
[03:19] <Tonio_> I'll test this today
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you pbuild or debuild your package ?
[03:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: ftbfs here...
[03:23] <Tonio_> /tmp/buildd/kdebase-3.5.5/./kdialog/progressdialog.cpp: In member function 'virt                                                                                                   ual void ProgressDialog::ignoreCancel()':
[03:23] <Tonio_> /tmp/buildd/kdebase-3.5.5/./kdialog/progressdialog.cpp:90: error: 'ignoreCancel'                                                                                                    is not a member of 'KProgressDialog'
[03:23] <Tonio_> make[3] : *** [kdialog.all_cpp.o]  Error 1
[03:25] <gnomefreak> has anyone updated kmplayer in the past month?
[03:25] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: yes, me, why ?
[03:25] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: I use svn version, does it count?
[03:25] <gnomefreak> bug 53287
[03:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53287 in kdebase "Konqueror crash opening video" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53287
[03:26] <gnomefreak> looks like in the backtrace that kmplayer but i might be reading that wrong
[03:26] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: that's probably kaffeine issue
[03:26] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: the bug is old, so I would say it was kaffeine kpart in use
[03:27] <gnomefreak> ok ill ask if it still happening
[03:27] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I'm pretty sure that's kaffeine
[03:27] <gnomefreak> ok ty 
[03:27] <Tonio_> that's because of that error that we switched to kmplayer
[03:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: confirmed, I can't pbuild kdebase here.... it fails
[03:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: even against kdelibs 3.5.5?
[03:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe I don't have the source repo for this :)
[03:46] <Riddell> ignoreCancel is in kprogress.h in kde 3.5.5
[03:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: have a source repo for kdelibs ?
[03:47] <Riddell> up now, same as binary
[03:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, thanks
[03:47] <Lure> is it just me or does akregator hang (with CPU load) on this RSS feed: http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/news/?cmd=rss
[03:48] <Riddell> Lure: works for me
[03:48] <Lure> Riddell: interesting...
[03:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry but what is the binary repo for kdelibs ?
[03:50] <Tonio_> same than kdebase ?
[03:51] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main
[03:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't see kdelibs 3.5.5 there
[03:52] <Tonio_> I mean I have the sources, but not the binaries
[03:53] <Riddell> kdelibs4c2a is definately in there for i386
[03:53] <Riddell> how did you test kde 3.5.5 again?
[03:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: when I apt-get source, kdelibs, it takes 3.5.5, but when I apt-cache search kdelibs, it show 3.5.4.....
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: use apt-cache madison, perhaps
[03:54] <Hobbsee>    kdelibs | 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages
[03:55] <Tonio_> apt-cache show kdelibs | grep Version -> Version: 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu18
[03:55] <Tonio_> what the hell is this ?
[03:55] <Riddell> do you have the deb line in source.list?
[03:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I have both binary and source repos
[03:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I upgraded kde.......
[03:56] <Tonio_> I don't understand......
[03:56] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ grep kubuntu /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:56] <Tonio_> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main
[03:56] <Tonio_> deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main
[03:56] <Tonio_> what the hell.......
[03:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: is your packages.gz up to date ?
[03:58] <Riddell> works for me
[03:58] <Riddell> i386 only of course
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: cache issue probably........ I'll clean apt
[03:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I have i386 too
[04:01] <Tonio_> no, same problem........
[04:01] <Tonio_> damn.......
[04:02] <abattoir> Riddell: hi, oem-config works properly (*finally*), in today's build...
[04:03] <abattoir> Riddell: after it is run, the default user in the kdm login screen is 'oem',(since oem logged in in the previous session), could this be made blank?
[04:03] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[04:04] <abattoir> hi bddebian :)
[04:04] <bddebian> Hello abattoir
[04:05] <Riddell> abattoir: just need to remove that from wherever its saved
[04:05] <Riddell> abattoir: trouble is I've no idea where it's saved
[04:05] <abattoir> kdmrc maybe?
[04:05] <abattoir> i'll try to find out
[04:06] <Riddell> abattoir: /var/lib/kdm/kdmsts
[04:06] <Riddell> abattoir: is there a script we can just do rm -f /var/lib/kdm/kdmsts  in that's run after the oem user has logged out?
[04:07] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll see if i can put it in the script which removes the oem user, i'll speak w/ Kamion about this, thanks :)
[04:07] <Tonio_> re
[04:08] <Tonio_> works now......
[04:08] <Tonio_> Riddell, Hobbsee: "When you have a weird issue and don't wanna search for hours, remember M$ and reboot !"
[04:08] <Tonio_> phrase of the day
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh.  where was that?
[04:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: don't know, I just rebooted and now apt works.......
[04:08] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:09] <Tonio_> I assume I had the same problem with pbuilder since it uses apt, because I added riddell's repo to pbuilderrc without any success
[04:09] <Tonio_> okay let's build and fix kicker
[04:19] <zphou> it's too slow to access kubuntu.org here
[04:20] <Tonio_> what to do with bug 46599
[04:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46599 in kdebase "Moving the System menu breaks the screensaver kcontrol module" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46599
[04:20] <Tonio_> I think we should reject.
[04:20] <Tonio_> not that the bug doesn't exist, but we are not supposed to maintain kcontrol
[04:22] <zphou> Tonio_: kcontrol in universe?
[04:23] <Tonio_> zphou: no, but kcontrol replaced :)
[04:24] <zphou> Tonio_: it's alternative, so you can't rejesct it  :)
[04:25] <Tonio_> zphou: depends if that impact systemsettings also :)
[04:25] <Tonio_> in any case I think I can't in fact ;)
[04:26] <jdong> Tonio_: kdesystemsetttings should have the gtk-qt engine control module
[04:26] <jdong> Tonio_: for those using KDE alongside gnome, it's an essential module every time you switch desktops
[04:27] <jdong> (and that probably fulfills your 'easier bug from jdong' request too!)
[04:27] <zphou> jdong: if we wanna backport a package, shall we work on it, or you?
[04:27] <Tonio_> jdong: it has htk-qt-engine
[04:27] <jdong> Tonio_: not when I used it a few days ago.. did that recently change?
[04:28] <Tonio_> jdong: it is there for about a month
[04:28] <jdong> zphou: I'd appreciate it if you can test it first in a dapper pbuilder, etc
[04:28] <Tonio_> jdong: under appearance
[04:28] <jdong> Tonio_: I am going to start kss in GNOME right now. if it's not there, you owe me a tray of cookies
[04:28] <jdong> Tonio_: and my next 5 motu-pokes
[04:29] <zphou> jdong: if there has abi changes, need ask for approval?
[04:29] <jdong> zphou: bah... what are you trying to backport?
[04:29] <jdong> Tonio_: ok, you don't owe me any cookies today :D
[04:30] <zphou> jdong: scim-chewing
[04:30] <Tonio_> jdong: ^^
[04:30] <jdong> zphou: oh yeah, I remember this being asked a while back...
[04:31] <jdong> zphou: scim-chewing in dapper didn't really work, right?
[04:31] <zphou> jdong: I don't use it either :)
[04:31] <jdong> zphou: I remember a scim-chewing request before
[04:32] <jdong> and after a while of looking at it, it was eventually decided as rejected
[04:32] <jdong> we tend not to like to deal with abi changes all that much :(
[04:32] <zphou> but guys have disputed over this times, no guy do anything on it actrually :p
[04:34] <zphou> jdong: would u like working on it  :)
[04:34] <zphou> anyway, dapper is LTS 
[04:34] <jdong> zphou: scim-chewing and libchewing need backporting, no other reverse deps, right?
[04:34] <jdong> zphou: what is wrong with dapper chewing anyway.... please explain that to me first
[04:34] <jdong> if it's a serious problem, it should be handled via dapper-updates
[04:35] <zphou> jdong: scim-chewing in dapper is buggy (upstream )
[04:35] <jdong> zphou: that's not really specific enough...
[04:35] <zphou> jdong: guys can hardly use it for input Traditinal Chinese
[04:35] <jdong> ah
[04:36] <jdong> zphou: have you poked mdz about it before?
[04:36] <jdong> it's better suited for dapper-updates than backports
[04:36] <jdong> but we'll take it if mdz rejects it
[04:36] <zphou> jdong: this topic seems like a troll in malone :)
[04:36] <jdong> :)
[04:37] <zphou> jdong: you mean updates can handle the change of abi?
[04:37] <jdong> zphou: well, to a degree
[04:37] <jdong> I don't see anything else using libchewing than scim-chewing
[04:38] <jdong> that seems fine for updates, then
[04:38] <freeflying> jdong: ya, only scim-chewing
[04:39] <freeflying> oh no, also libchewing3-dev  :p
[04:49] <Tonio_> hehe, novell invites me to paris seminar next month
[04:50] <Tonio_> I wonder how they got my address
[04:51] <Lure> Tonio_: you are famous Tonio from Kubuntu ;-)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what for?
[04:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: seminar top promote suse new products blabla.......
[04:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I probably won't go there
[04:56] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:56] <Hobbsee> heh.  it could be fun to go though
[04:56] <Hobbsee> see what of interest there is in suse products
[04:56] <Hobbsee> maybe bring some of the good stuff back to kubuntu. *g*
[04:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm not leaving in paris anymore :)
[04:57] <Tonio_> and the train is a bit expensived
[04:57] <Tonio_> Lure: bah... that doesn't explain for my postal address :)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahh.  invitation or sponsorship?
[04:57] <beligum> Hi all, I wrote a little essay on the concept of future videohelpdesking in the open-source community. If you're interested: http://blog.beligum.org
[04:58] <freeflying> Tonio_: for promote suse?  :)
[05:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: invitation :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> pity
[05:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe
[05:01] <Tonio_> well they pay for the lunch, but not the train
[05:02] <Tonio_> freeflying: no just a seminar, nothing else
[05:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kdebase is almost built....... just a few minutes and we'll know what about kicker
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yay :)
[05:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: argh !
[05:06] <Tonio_> ftbfs again
[05:06] <Hobbsee> :(
[05:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: dh_install: kdebase-doc missing files (debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdebase*-apidocs/*), aborting
[05:06] <Riddell> I've never had that
[05:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, yes, that's very strange.... crappy laptop maybe...... ;)
[05:07] <Tonio_> okay let's restart from the begening......
[05:07] <Tonio_> :-(
[05:08] <Tonio_> I'm rebuilding the package, just adding my patch, and we'll see
[05:11] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: sorry about rejecting the bug i didnt hear anything so i rejected it
[05:11] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: no pb :)
[05:12] <gnomefreak> btw you may see a bug on kde-meta soon something about depends issues
[05:12] <gnomefreak> 3.5.4
[05:33] <mhb> Hey everyone, they didn't want me at #ubuntu-bugs, so I'm back here
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: if you get that fixed, can you email me with a link to the deb, or whatever, so that i can grab the fix?  i'm going to sleep..
[05:34] <mhb> I'd *really* appreciate some help with bug 63325 since nobody is noticing it, just me
[05:34] <Ubug2> Malone bug 63325 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63325
[05:36] <Riddell> mhb: I want to look at that but can't today, already doing kde 3.5.5 and qt 4.2
[05:36] <jdong> kde 3.5.5?
[05:36] <jdong> is that out?
[05:36] <Riddell> no
[05:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure, I'll put it on my repo so that you can dist-upgrade
[05:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I took Riddell's package, and just adding my patch this time. no buildprep, nothing
[05:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I hope it'll work
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i dont have yours enabled.  i dont have the link, either
[05:37] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:37] <Hobbsee> i lost part of my logs :(
[05:37] <mhb> Riddell: thanks, I'll remind myself in a few days .. it's just that it's hug/bug day today
[05:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[05:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you even can download binaries there if you don't want to use the repo
[05:38] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what package will it be?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's what i usually do
[05:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kicker ? :)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ah, so just kicker
[05:39] <Tonio_> yes
[05:40] <jdong> Tonio_: you're mr. adblock for konq, right?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:41] <Tonio_> jdong: hehe, yes :)
[05:41] <Tonio_> jdong: well I implemented the plugin and set the default rules, that's all :)
[05:41] <Tonio_> jdong: have an issue ?
[05:41] <jdong> Tonio_: have you considered using easylist.adblockplus.org's lists?
[05:42] <Tonio_> jdong: nope
[05:42] <jdong> Tonio_: IMO they are far superior to filterset.G
[05:42] <Tonio_> jdong: ah ? very interesting
[05:42] <Tonio_> jdong: any copyright or licence restriction on them ?
[05:42] <jdong> Tonio_: I'll check, I don't know...
[05:43] <jdong> it's for adblockplus, an open source project, so I wouldn't expect so
[05:43] <Tonio_> jdong: well filtersetG as a licence, but upstream confirmed me we could use it
[05:43] <jdong> Tonio_: I'll contact upstream for you
[05:43] <Tonio_> jdong: not needed probably
[05:44] <Tonio_> jdong: I'll test the list first, and if that's okay, let's go
[05:44] <Tonio_> for me, filtersetG is about the perfection
[05:44] <Tonio_> I couldn't find any website to resist
[05:44] <jdong> Tonio_: easylist and easyelements (both on the same site) are great
[05:44] <jdong> Tonio_: easyelements will actually collapse the blank space that sometimes is left behind
[05:44] <Tonio_> jdong: what are the differences ? have an example to compare ?
[05:45] <Tonio_> jdong: ah ! that's interesting
[05:45] <Tonio_> okay let's give a try :)
[05:46] <jdong> Tonio_: it stops cnet.com's annoying expanding-ads dead in its tracks
[05:47] <Tonio_> jdong: no regular expressions ? that's surprizing
[05:47] <jdong> yeah, for such a simple thing, it does wonders
[05:47] <jdong> the elements list is a bit more complex
[05:50] <Tonio_> jdong: works pretty nicelly
[05:51] <Tonio_> jdong: I'll test that for a few days, and if that's okay and there is no restrictive licence, I'll commit to kds
[05:51] <Tonio_> thanks for the info
[05:51] <jdong> Tonio_: welcome :)
[05:54] <Tonio_> jdong: is the element blocking compatible with konqueror's adblock ?
[05:54] <Tonio_> I'm unsure :)
[05:54] <jdong> Tonio_: I believe so
[05:55] <Tonio_> jdong: I'm testing, that pretty easy to test
[05:57] <jdong> Tonio_: hmm, perhaps the # command is not understood....
[05:59] <Tonio_> jdong: yes, it doesn't work.......
[05:59] <Tonio_> so element blocking is not of any use...... at the moment at least
[06:00] <Tonio_> jdong: I'll submit the idea to konqueror's team
[06:00] <jdong> Tonio_: awesome
[06:00] <Tonio_> jdong: concerning the first list, I think filterset.g is better, for one reason
[06:01] <Tonio_> jdong: a static list needs to be updated very often, and we don't have an updater
[06:01] <jdong> Tonio_: filterset.g looks more static to me
[06:01] <jdong> Tonio_: its regex is very specific to sites
[06:02] <Tonio_> jdong: hum....... not that much in my opinion
[06:02] <Tonio_> there are lots of regexp that are generic
[06:02] <Tonio_> well I'll compare easylist with adblock for a few days, going to porn websites, hacking websites, and we'll se which one is the best
[06:02] <jdong> Tonio_: easylist's wildcard matches are pretty effective
[06:03] <Tonio_> jdong: certainly, yes, so taht's why I want to compare.
[06:03] <Tonio_> a konqueror plugin to update the lists would be good too :)
[06:03] <jdong> lol, certainly
[06:04] <Tonio_> jdong: if someone feels ready to improve the current adblock plugins that would be nice :)
[06:04] <jdong> hehe, my kde programming familiarity doesn't extend that far :)
[06:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: kicker's patch works :)
[06:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :)
[06:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: rocking
[06:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: true ;)
[06:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: want a debdiff I assume ?
[06:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[06:08] <Lure> Tonio_: you mentioned fixed packages for desktop pager
[06:09] <Lure> where can I get them?
[06:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/22
[06:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can download it from there
[06:09] <Tonio_> Lure: ready for dcc ?
[06:09] <Tonio_> Lure: waiting for you to accept
[06:10] <Lure> Tonio_: accepted it, but it is not going anywhere
[06:10] <Lure> ok, it started
[06:10] <Tonio_> hum........
[06:10] <Tonio_> ah
[06:10] <Lure> timed out...
[06:11] <Tonio_> hum...... okay let's come back to normal ftp
[06:11] <Lure> Download of "kicker_3.5.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb" from Tonio_ failed. Reason: Connection failure: timed operation timed out.
[06:11] <Tm_T> :)
[06:12] <Tonio_> Lure: ah yes, my router sucks :) sorry
[06:12] <Tonio_> Lure: it's upnp support it a pure bullshit
[06:12] <Lure> Tonio_: I have OpenWRT and it rocks
[06:12] <Tonio_> lure: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/kicker_3.5.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:13] <Tm_T> Tonio_: need testing?
[06:13] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yes please ;)
[06:13] <Tm_T> aye sir
[06:13] <Tonio_> install, killall kicker and restart
[06:13] <Tonio_> works like a charm here
[06:13] <Tm_T> Tonio_: nah, "dcop kicker kicker restart" is clean way
[06:13] <Tonio_> Lure: the point is it is very special in france
[06:13] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I restart kicker "on the fly" almost every day :p
[06:14] <Tonio_> each ISP comes with it's own box, providing telephone, tv and adsl
[06:14] <Lure> Tonio_: you ROCK!!!!
[06:14] <Tonio_> and my isp sucks, but I don't wanna change it, since it'll take ages......
[06:14] <Tonio_> Lure: ;)
[06:14] <Lure> Riddell: grab patch from Tonio_!
[06:14] <Tonio_> Lure: bah svn sync + diff... wasn't that complicated
[06:15] <Tonio_> kde maintainers rock, not me :)
[06:15] <Riddell> Lure: I'm still looking at kdesu
[06:15] <Lure> Tonio_: but you are fast ;-)
[06:15] <Tonio_> Lure: that's true :) I don't have a job at the moment, that explains :)
[06:15] <Lure> Riddell: ok, great - I just seen I got new kdepim, will play a bit more with it now...
[06:15] <Lure> Tonio_: I am on babysitting my daughter today (she is sick)
[06:16] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe, not too much sick I hope....
[06:18] <Tm_T> Tonio_: so, I just check if minipager works?
[06:18] <Tm_T> anything else?
[06:20] <Tonio_> Tm_T: that's it
[06:20] <Tm_T> roger
[06:20] <Tonio_> federer ?
[06:21] <Tm_T> just. works.
[06:21] <Tm_T> Tonio_: fine by me
[06:21] <Tonio_> Tm_T: great, thanks for confirming
[06:21] <Lure> Riddell: just installed gnome to test gpm key behaviour
[06:22] <Lure> Riddell: no default action for sleep key, but battery show the gpm's tip
[06:22] <Tm_T> I always forger how large arrows default kicker uses
[06:22] <Riddell> Lure: so you press sleep and gnome power manager displays the battery status?
[06:22] <Lure> Riddell: I am thinking of do hard assigning of Standby -> Suspend and Sleep -> Hibernate and user can then change behaviour by changing xkeysym
[06:23] <Lure> Riddell: no, there is battery key on my laptop. Sleep key does nothing
[06:23] <Lure> (at least by default)
[06:23] <Riddell> right
[06:23] <Riddell> Standby -> Suspend and Sleep -> Hibernate sounds sensible
[06:24] <Lure> if this does not fit somebody, then they can change /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap
[06:25] <Riddell> yes
[06:25] <Lure> Riddell: I will do a patch for ksmserver for all three keys and then try to get some testers before sending you to one of coredev to apply
[06:27] <abattoir> Riddell: Kamion has added the command which removes kdmsts, just fyi
[06:27] <Riddell> abattoir: great
[06:27] <Lure> Riddell: one guy mentioned regression in regards to laptop keys on asus
[06:28] <Lure> Riddell: do we have package for old asus/dell/thinkpad kmilo modules
[06:28] <Riddell> Lure: kmilo-legacy
[06:28] <Lure> I doubt we will be able to fix this in time for edgy, so workaround would help
[06:28] <Lure> great
[06:34] <jdong|laptop> Tonio_: while we evaluate the new filters, how about at least a filterset.g update to something that's NOT 6 months old? :D
[06:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: go knetworkmanager!
[06:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about ?
[06:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: UVF exception approved
[06:55] <jdong|laptop> wasn't 0.1 already uploaded?
[06:56] <Riddell> oh hah
[06:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I already uploaded
[06:56] <Riddell> my e-mail server just decided to finally send an e-mail from september 30th
[06:56] <Tonio_> about 5 days ago at least :)
[06:56] <mdz> jdong: it took a very long time to get any clarity about scim-chewing in malone; there are several unrelated issues
[06:56] <Tonio_> jdong|laptop: yes that's a pretty nice idea ;)
[06:57] <mdz> jdong: current focus is to get everything sorted in edgy and working well, then talk about -updates
[06:57] <jdong|laptop> mdz: ok, sounds good. this scim-chewing thing is so confusing :)
[07:07] <Riddell> toma: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RosettaAndUpstreamCollaboration
[07:09] <toma> Riddell: exciting... reading...
[07:09] <mhb> I read that too ... 
[07:12] <mhb> OT: sometimes I feel it's harder to collaborate between Kubuntu and KDE Czech translations because the person in charge of translating KDE apps is a paid SUSE employee :o) 
[07:12] <Tm_T> haha
[07:13] <toma> Riddell: I'll look into it in depth a bit more later on, looks good though
[07:15] <mhb> Tm_T: the ironic thing is that the GNOME translator in charge of CZ l10n is a SUSE employee as well :o)
[07:15] <Tm_T> mhb: sounds fun
[07:17] <mhb> Tm_T: that's just the start ... would you believe that OK/Apply/Cancel is translated differently in Windows, KDE and GNOME (all 3 different versions) ?
[07:18] <Tm_T> I can
[07:20] <mhb> Tm_T: a lot of people (the GNOME/KDE l10n chiefs, for instance) dislike Ubuntu translations because we translate both KDE and GNOME consistently
[07:21] <Tm_T> but that supposed to be good thing
[07:23] <mhb> Tm_T: well, it makes Ubuntu (Kubuntu) more consistent but the KDE/GNOME guys refuse our translations because they sometimes differ from their "pure" KDE only/GNOME only translations
[07:24] <mhb> Tm_T: because we use only one dictionary for both, not one for GNOME and a different one for KDE
[07:24] <Tm_T> hmm, I haven't heard same behaviour in finnish translation teams
[07:26] <mhb> Tm_T: a lot of people at leading positions tend to be stubborn (and convinced that "their" translation is the best one)
[07:26] <Tm_T> human nature :)
[07:28] <mhb> Tm_T: so there's the Windows translations, Firefox translations, KDE translations, GNOME translations ... all different
[07:30] <Tm_T> yeah
[07:30] <Tm_T> glad Opera fi translator is also somewhat KDE activist
[07:31] <freeflying> ,m 
[07:32] <mhb> let's get back to devel :o)
[07:38] <mhb> Riddell: maybe we can now make the annoucement of the Kubuntu Testers team on the kubuntu-users and kubuntu-devel mailing lists
[07:39] <mhb> Riddell: the main wiki page is present
[07:39] <Tm_T> mhb: count me in (that's what I do anyway)
[07:40] <mhb> Tm_T: great! 
[07:42] <Riddell> mhb: url?
[07:42] <mhb> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTesters
[07:43] <Riddell> mhb: cool
[07:44] <Riddell> mhb: yes, announce on kubuntu-users kubuntu-devel and add it to UWN
[07:44] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue16
[07:45] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[07:45] <mhb> I'll do that
[07:46] <andrunko> hi all, do you know if qt4.2 will be on edgy? i am asking this cause if it happens i will have to update the telepathy-qt package. Currently telepathy-qt package is being patched because of an old version of qt-kdecopy on edgy
[07:46] <Riddell> andrunko: I don't know but I'm packaging it now and if there's no problems I'll ask for it to be let in
[07:47] <andrunko> Riddell: nice, if it gets in please let me know, i will have to update telepathy-qt, actually, just remove some patches in there :)
[07:47] <Riddell> of course
[07:52] <Hawkwind> In Mandriva you can do cat /etc/release to find out what version of the OS you are running, what's the equivalent in Kubuntu ?
[07:52] <abattoir> Hawkwind: lsb_release -a
[07:52] <Hawkwind> Thanks
[08:02] <Lure> sebas: ?
[08:02] <Lure> sebas: ping
[08:02] <jdong|laptop> Hawkwind: lsb_release oh never mind...
[08:06] <sebas> Lure: pong
[08:07] <Lure> I expected that dcop name of powermanager would not use pid since we use KUniqueApplication now
[08:09] <Lure> sebas: other question is if you did commit "SUSPEND_USE_HAL = False" by accident
[08:11] <Lure> sebas: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/dcop.html says:
[08:11] <Lure> KUniqueApplication automatically registers itself to DCOP. If you are using KUniqueApplication you should not attach or register yourself, this is already done. The appId is by definition equal to kapp->name(). You can retrieve the registered DCOP client by calling kapp->dcopClient().
[08:12] <sebas> Lure: Ooops. should be True indeed.
[08:12] <sebas> I'll fix it immediately.
[08:12] <Lure> sebas: I though so...
[08:12] <sebas> Committed.
[08:13] <Lure> sebas: I got it - we need to drop RegisterAs now when wi have KUniqueApplication
[08:13] <Lure> will do this now
[08:14] <sebas> Ok, I can test it then.
[08:14] <Lure> sebas: this will probably also fix the dirty hack issue
[08:14] <sebas> That would be nice
[08:17] <Lure> sebas: it starts properly, prevents multiple instances, but still reports:
[08:17] <Lure> power-manager: ERROR: Communication problem with power-manager, it probably crashed.
[08:50] <Tonio_> Lure, sebas: ping me if you need an uploader once done
[08:51] <jdong> Tonio_: you're a core-dev right :)
[08:51] <Tonio_> jdong: as long as it can help....
[08:51] <Tonio_> jdong: I updated filtersetg in kds
[08:51] <jdong> Tonio_: yeah, I saw that. thanks :)
[08:52] <Tonio_> :)
[08:53] <jdong> Tonio_: would you like to test for me if core-dev can upload to dapper-backports?
[08:53] <Lure> Tonio_: be sure I will ;-) - problem is that dcop does not work in KUniqueApplication as it should :-(
[08:53] <Tonio_> Lure: yeah, I remember that kuniqueapplication issue
[08:54] <Tonio_> jdong: hum, I don't think I can
[08:54] <Tonio_> that requires other rights I think
[08:54] <Tonio_> jdong: imbrandon can so he can answer
[08:54] <jdong> imbrandon: poke :)
[08:55] <Tonio_> and btw I'm not supposed to upload to backports :)
[08:55] <jdong> Tonio_: pfft.... nonsense :)
[08:55] <jdong> Tonio_: if I say you are, then you are :)
[08:55] <Lure> Tonio_: every coredev can...
[08:56] <Lure> Tonio_: this is why we have coredev's ;-)
[08:56] <jdong> Tonio_: the theory is, core-devs should be able to upload to dapper-backports
[08:56] <jdong> whether or not they're on the backports team
[08:57] <Tonio_> jdong: true that, but I'm not supposed to do so :)
[08:57] <Tonio_> jdong: I prefer to let the backport team do its job :)
[08:57] <jdong> Tonio_: I don't have the power to do my job :)
[08:57] <jdong> Tonio_: hence me scrounging around for a core-dev
[08:58] <Tonio_> jdong: what do you need to backport ?
[08:58] <jdong> https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bug/63275
[08:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63275 in dapper-backports "readahead-list " [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[08:58] <jdong> faster dapper bootup :)
[08:58] <jdong> needs edgy's boot.list to be replaced with stock dapper's
[08:58] <jdong> which I've attached to the bug ticket
[08:59] <jdong> that's the only modification
[08:59] <jdong> add a ~dapper1 to the version, and it's ready to go
[09:00] <Tonio_> jdong: hum, isn't mdz supposed to revu such an upload ?
[09:00] <jdong> I was just talking to mdz and the launchpad guys
[09:00] <Tonio_> anything concerning the boot process is somehow sensitive
[09:00] <jdong> Tonio_: I've tested it very extensively
[09:01] <jdong> it's really not much of a change
[09:01] <Tonio_> if mdz is okay I would do it, of course, but I wouldn't take the responsability of it :)
[09:01] <jdong> Tonio_: blame it all on me if something goes wrong :)
[09:01] <Tonio_> jdong: yes, I understand that, but that's a matter of "respecting the process" ;)
[09:01] <jdong> Tonio_: one sec, I'll talk to the big guy a bit
[09:01] <jdong> (more)
[09:02] <Tonio_> hehe okay
[09:07] <jdong> Tonio_: "the man" has approved it :)
[09:09] <Tonio_> jdong: great then
[09:09] <jdong> and kamion is around to watch it happen, so this shall be a fun one :)
[09:09] <Tonio_> now the question is "how to upload to backports" :)
[09:09] <jdong> beats me.... you're the core-dev :)
[09:09] <mdz> Tonio_: 'dapper-backports' in changelog/.changes
[09:10] <Tonio_> mdz: hehe okay :)
[09:10] <Tonio_> jdong: let's go
[09:10] <mdz> no idea if it will work
[09:10] <mdz> someone needs to talk to LP folks about it
[09:11] <jdong> mdz: I asked in #launchpad, but no response
[09:11] <Tonio_> mdz: it has already been tested afaik.... I can't test myself, since all my machines are under edgy
[09:11] <jdong> maybe someone with more significance should ask?
[09:11] <jdong> Tonio_: he was referring to he has no idea if the upload process will work
[09:11] <Tonio_> jdong: ah okay
[09:11] <mdz> Tonio_: I mean the upload, yes
[09:11] <jdong> Tonio_: (regarding the package, you did add ~dapper1 to the version number, right?)
[09:12] <Tonio_> jdong: well, imbrandon knows that to do, probably better asking him no ?
[09:12] <Tonio_> jdong: he'll probably come in a moment
[09:12] <jdong> Tonio_: he wasn't sure the last time I asked him
[09:12] <jdong> Tonio_: I think we're all in the same boat here :)
[09:12] <Tonio_> jdong: hum...
[09:13] <Tonio_> I must say I never looked at how to backport something....
[09:14] <jdong> Tonio_: replace debian/boot.list, add changelog entry, new version = old version and ~dapper1, then fire away :)
[09:14] <Tonio_> jdong: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportsHowto
[09:14] <jdong> Tonio_: that's the general backports policy from when TB first approved backports, yes
[09:15] <jdong> it's not been updated for a while :)
[09:15] <Tonio_> jdong: true that....
[09:15] <Tonio_> jdong: okay let's do the package and test :)
[09:15] <jdong> sounds like fun :)
[09:17] <Lure> sebas: I have sent more findings to PyKDE mailing list
[09:18] <Tonio_> jdong: hum, the point is I need to take the edgy package to backport it
[09:18] <jdong> right, edgy sources
[09:18] <Tonio_> jdong: in the backport policy, I'm not supposed to touche at the package content
[09:18] <jdong> mdz has already approved changing boot.list
[09:19] <Tonio_> jdong: was that tested ? or just the dapper package with the boot.list ?
[09:19] <jdong> yes, that's what I tested
[09:19] <Tonio_> okay, so I will take the dapper package and update the boot.list
[09:19] <Tonio_> sounds cleaner
[09:19] <jdong> the attached boot.list is the same one that's in dapper's package :)
[09:19] <jdong> whoa
[09:19] <jdong> no
[09:19] <jdong> edgy package
[09:19] <jdong> with dapper boot.list
[09:19] <Tonio_> jdong: okay
[09:19] <Tonio_> sorry but I'm watching the tv at the same time ;) hard to be concerntrated :)
[09:20] <jdong> hehe :)
[09:20] <Tonio_> okay so edgy package with your attached boot.list from dapper, that's it !
[09:20] <jdong> yep
[09:21] <jdong> while we're cranking away, a slightly OT question, will apport work with Kubuntu?
[09:22] <Lure> jdong: afaik not - we use kde crash collector for now
[09:22] <jdong> Lure: ok, but that will only catch kde crashes, right?
[09:22] <Lure> jdong: Riddell mentioned that we might reconsider for edgy+1 based on ubuntu feedback
[09:23] <Lure> jdong: correct
[09:23] <jdong> ok, sounds good
[09:23] <Lure> jdong: you are not supposed to run non KDE programs under kde ;-)
[09:23] <jdong> Lure: CLI apps segfault, too :)
[09:23] <jdong> especially if written by me
[09:25] <Tonio_> jdong: I'm looking at the deps.... it seems to be okay indeed
[09:25] <jdong> Tonio_: you really don't trust me when I say I tested it, do you ;-)
[09:26] <jdong> I break flash once, and nobody will ever take my word when it comes to QA ever again :D
[09:26] <Tonio_> jdong: when I'm doing something I'm not used to, I don't trust ANYONE ! :)
[09:27] <Tonio_> jdong: do you have a dapper chroot ?
[09:27] <Tonio_> I don't here and I'd like to build before upload
[09:27] <jdong> Tonio_: I have dapper pbuilders, and dapper vmware boxes
[09:28] <Tonio_> jdong: can I send you the source package for building ?
[09:28] <jdong> Tonio_: sure
[09:29] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/
[09:29] <Tonio_> jdong: once you confirm it builds, I'll upload :)
[09:30] <jdong> k, gonna grab it
[09:32] <jdong> Tonio_: successful build
[09:34] <Tonio_> jdong: let's go
[09:35] <Tonio_> jdong: done
[09:35] <jdong> Tonio_: alright; let's see what happens :)
[09:36] <GNUro> hello!
[09:37] <Tonio_> hi GNUro
[09:37] <GNUro> Hi Tonio_!=)
[09:47] <mhb> Riddell: I saw you were the only one from Kubuntu to contribute to the table here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current
[09:49] <mhb> Riddell: since more people want to test dailies (and I don't want to edit the devs' pages) our team is going to use the table here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Current
[09:56] <n8k99> imbrandon: having some trouble with amarok/edgy/powerbook
[09:57] <jdong> Tonio_: whoo! looks like that backport worked :D
[09:59] <Tonio_> jdong: great ;)
[10:12] <Riddell> mhb: great
[10:12] <Riddell> mhb: but the trouble with that page is it gets wiped when we start testing a new build
[10:14] <mhb> Riddell: you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current, right? Yes, that's one of the reasons why we're using our own in Testing/Kubuntu/Current
[10:14] <mhb> Riddell: better to say - are going to use
[10:15] <Tonio_> jdong: sorry but I don't understanf
[10:15] <jdong> I'l do it :)
[10:15] <Tonio_> according to mdz, you are responsible for backports, but you don't have upload rights ?
[10:16] <mdz> Tonio_: backports aren't usually uploaded at all; they're copied from the development branch
[10:16] <Tonio_> mdz: ah, that's why
[10:16] <Riddell> mhb: ah, I see, cool
[10:16] <Tonio_> mdz: I though it was generally simple uploads as usual
[10:17] <mhb> Riddell: what do you think? Will you contribute to our table or stick to the main one?
[10:17] <mhb> Riddell: or should we sync the two somehow?
[10:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: have you managed to fix kdesu with 3.5.5 ?
[10:18] <Tonio_> jdong: so what do you want me to do on the ticket ?
[10:18] <Riddell> mhb: if people are just testing dailys as they have time then it should go on a separate page, if we're testing CDs so we know we can make a release that should go on the normal page
[10:18] <jdong> Tonio_: I've got it handled from here
[10:18] <jdong> Tonio_: it looks good for a backport
[10:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, packages are updated (no change in version numbers)
[10:18] <Tonio_> jdong: I did as you say "also affect upstream: dapper-backports"
[10:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: perfect ;)
[10:19] <jdong> Tonio_: yep
[10:20] <Tonio_> jdong: would be nice if you can do that :) It's a pain rebuilding it each time I install a lamp machine :)
[10:20] <mhb> Riddell: we're going to test dailies once a week, I guess ... but I hope the info will be useful for you nevertheless
[10:21] <mhb> Riddell: and when you need the "release CD testers" we can help out as well
[10:21] <Riddell> mhb: yes, it's always useful to test dailies
[10:24] <mhb> everyone: I'm doing a list of the stuff the Kubuntu Testers should check in Edgy (there was an old list, but it needs improvement) ... what do you think should be tested the most?
[10:25] <mhb> I know it's hard to say right now, we'll have more time for edgy+1 but we want to help finalize Edgy as well
[10:27] <Riddell> mhb: seen https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Short ?
[10:27] <Riddell> and  /Long ?
[10:28] <Riddell> we need a Long Kubuntu
[10:28] <mhb> Riddell: sure, I copied it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Introduction
[10:29] <mhb> Riddell: but I guess there is room for improvement, so I wanted to know what the devs think about it
[10:31] <mhb> or what are the most likely problems in Edgy
[10:32] <Riddell> upgrade from dapper is biggest problem
[10:33] <allee> mhb: IMHO most likely problems' should be an extra paragraph at the end of short, that is updated as new features appear
[10:37] <mhb> I agree, we should test upgrading as well
[10:50] <seaLne> it never seems to work in kubuntu compared to ubuntu
[10:57] <Riddell> seaLne: because we don't have the dist-upgrade tool (yet)
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested in an openwengo package in universe ?
[10:58] <Hawkwind> Riddell: It's not a rush, but I've sent you an email.  I do hope you got it ok
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: uvf exception request can still be done I assume
[10:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: openwengo package would be cool
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will try, but that's a MESS to package
[10:59] <Tonio_> a mix of cmake + scons.......
[10:59] <Tonio_> okay let's go :-(
[10:59] <Riddell> Hawkwind: when?  what subject?
[10:59] <Hawkwind> Riddell: About 30 minutes ago maybe, about a potential op
[11:02] <mhb> are there bug reports about Dapper->Edgy upgrade in LP already?
[11:02] <Riddell> don't think so
[11:02] <mhb> should we make some?
[11:02] <Riddell> python-qt/kde is the main culprit, at least of stuff we control
[11:03] <Riddell> mhb: can do
[11:03] <mhb> Riddell: what package, then?
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you knew there was a firefox extention version of wengophone ? that's kickass, really....... !
[11:07] <mhb> Riddell: kubuntu-meta, I guess ... is it ok?
[11:08] <Riddell> mhb: good as any
[11:08] <mhb> well, good night to you all, I'm too tired to think ... thanks for every single piece of help and info you've given me
[11:10] <mhb> you're all doing great work
[11:37] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Did you get the email ?  The first one I sent to you got returned for some reason
[11:38] <Riddell> Hawkwind: don't think I did
[11:38] <Hawkwind> I sent the first to jriddell@ubuntu.com and that got returned
[11:38] <Hawkwind> Then I tried a jr@riddell.org or something
[11:39] <Riddell> they both go through the same spam filter
[11:39] <Riddell> send it to jr @muse.19inch .net and send me the bounce message too if you can
[11:42] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Ok.  I've sent the bounce message and resent the original message