=== lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.91.29] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:33] goldenear: I do, but you should be able to get kde4base from edgy now [12:38] Riddell: I still have the wrong size message... === gnomefreak thinks if there is going to be a 3.5.5 release it should be soon. i was told kde4 is being released in jan. but that holds no meaning to me as there hasnt been a date set that i know of [12:41] it won't be released in january, much later than that [12:42] goldenear: just get it from the normal ubuntu archive, not mine [12:42] It seems to work now after an apt-get clean [12:43] groovy :) [12:43] good luck, I'm off to bed [12:43] :) [12:43] good night [12:43] nop... it doesn't work... [12:44] same problem :(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( [12:47] oops, I've a problem with my keyboard [12:47] ok, I remove your repository from my source list and it works :) [12:47] kde 4 installed :) === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@72.160-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kozz [i=kozz@h18n2fls31o834.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@ubuntu/member/frode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === erov [i=j@flipthejig.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away [n=shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:34] hey all [05:34] heya Hobbsee [05:34] hey imbrandon [05:34] imbrandon: did we get packages for testing? [05:35] of? [05:35] 3.5.5 ? [05:35] yep [05:35] yea riddell put some up but i cant use them yet ( i386 only ) === Hobbsee wonders where... [05:36] deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355 edgy main [05:36] ;) [05:36] :) === Hobbsee upgrades [05:38] imbrandon: Have you checked your space/bandwidth on DH today ? [05:39] imbrandon: Your allowed space/bandwidth that is [05:39] Hawkwind, no but i should be no where near it === imbrandon looks now [05:39] imbrandon: You won't be after todays nice little bonus they added [05:39] imbrandon: They upped everything by 10x [05:40] So your 20GB is now 200GB space, and your bandwidth is now 2TB per month [05:40] holy shit they did ? [05:40] imbrandon: Yeppers [05:40] DH? [05:40] my bandwidth was 2TB before [05:40] http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting.html [05:40] dreamhost [05:40] imbrandon: Then it's 4TB probably === imbrandon looks [05:41] HOLY JESUS === imbrandon dances [05:42] Hah [05:42] imbrandon: Isn't that really nice [05:42] yea 400gb disk space and 4TB bandwidth [05:42] is this perminate ? [05:42] Hah [05:42] imbrandon: Yeppers [05:42] Read that URL I posted [05:42] nice [05:42] The URL is for new users, but the space/bw is for all current users [05:42] i got the news letter yesterday but i dident read it yet [05:43] dude that rocks [05:43] did you ever get an account ? [05:43] I just signed up tonight because of this deal :) [05:44] nice [05:44] imbrandon: I paid $19.41 for a full year of the smallest package deal. 200GB/space and 2TB/bandwidth for under $20 for the first year [05:44] very cool [05:44] 20$ for the full YEAR [05:44] or 20 a month ? [05:45] My 1and1 account just renewed 3 days ago so I've got 3 months to get everything transferred over [05:45] $20 for the first *year* :) [05:45] fskin nice, i payed almost 300 for my first year [05:45] lol [05:45] Heh [05:45] They are offering a $99.99 code for today only [05:45] Not like I couldn't get a $97 code tomorrow of course from a couple of people [05:45] very cool [05:45] ;) [05:46] abattoir just signed up with them about a week ago and got the 20GB account. He's going to freak when he sees it's now 200GB [05:46] heh you all should have signed up under me ;) [05:46] lol [05:47] imbrandon: Another friend of mine gave him the code so he got the great deal :) [05:47] dude i'm gonna go play with my wesite hehe [05:47] LOL. Lots of stuff to fill up that space now [05:47] Hawkwind, well if you know anyone else i'll hook them up ;) [05:47] yup yup [05:47] imbrandon: Kewl kewl. I'll be able to give out codes now too :) [05:47] well i host a few other people too, i'm gonna up their limits [05:47] Means I've got work to do on my website now since I have a banner for 1and1 across each page of it [05:48] thanks for pointing that out man [05:48] that ROCKS [05:48] Heh no problem. I knew you'd be excited [05:49] The only reason I hadn't switched yet was because of the drop in space I would take from 150GB to 60GB. Now I get more space for half the price :) === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-177-70.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:00] imbrandon: do we know what happened to the later version of kopete? === Hobbsee wonders if we have a changelog [07:01] as in ? [07:01] what kopete ? === imbrandon missed something [07:02] kopete is supposed to release 0.12.3 with kde 3.5.5 [07:03] [15:03] *** The channel topic is ""Kopete 0.12.3 to be released with KDE 3.5.5 || Kopete 0.12.2 downloadable at http://kopete.kde.org/releases.php || Where do you use Kopete? http://www.frappr.com/kopetepeople || Kopete: Home to the sexiest IM developers in the world. || Want to help with Kopete 1.0? See http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Setup+KDE4DevEnv to get started || MSN is sick (server side): [07:03] http://status.messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx". [07:04] Hobbsee, ahh then its probably with kdenetowrk like it was before [07:04] we're keeping it split, iirc [07:04] right but it might not be at this moment [07:04] kde.org changed their site :) === Hobbsee should grab the source and go look. [07:05] http://kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_4to3_5_5.php [07:08] hey nice, hopefully this means we have less trouble with kdesu [07:12] Conversation with su failed. [07:12] hha [07:12] *hah [07:12] when trying to launch adept, from the kmenu [07:16] same with trying to hit administrator password in system settings [07:16] apart from that, i havent noticed any problems [07:17] ;) [07:17] oh, wait, yes there is [07:17] show windows from all desktops no longer works [07:17] what the.... [07:17] kicker's very borked [07:18] i'm sure your testing all this on a new user account right ? [07:18] um, no? [07:18] good point [07:18] ;) [07:18] and those are untested debs ( even by Riddell himself ) heh [07:18] anyhow brb i got to reboot ;) [07:24] you gotta love bip, he says he is rebooting yet he never leaves ;) === Hobbsee [n=user@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:31] awww crap === Hobbsee kicks her system === Hobbsee lost her .kde/ [07:33] ouch === imbrandon [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:35] mv .kde_old/ .kde doesnt seem to ovewrite the .kde/ folder as i would have expected [07:35] it just deletes .kde_old and keeps .kde/ [07:35] erm [07:35] no [07:35] it would have moved to .kde/.kde_old [07:36] so you probably havent lost it ) [07:36] so mv .kde .kde2; mv .kde2/.kde_old .kde [07:36] should get you back right [07:39] assuming you didnt go rm -rf .kde in a fit of rage :) [07:39] heh [07:40] (because thats what i'd do) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:41] Lathiat: what's the last bit? just .kde? [07:42] yeh === fubuntu [n=root@CPE0000b491340c-CM00111ae67fe6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:45] hello, do any of you guys have a funny module.h? [07:45] mine's hilariously stupid [07:46] ... can someone please help me figure out why i get 'attr' and 'kobj' errors when compiling modules? [07:46] google's lost its touch for this subject === fubuntu [n=root@CPE0000b491340c-CM00111ae67fe6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [07:57] i guess #kubuntu-devel has as well ;) [07:57] oh well, g'nite === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:10] argh. it's a bug in pager or something. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:13] grr. === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-98-99.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-187.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:50] moin [08:53] hey allee [08:55] Hi Hobbsee, eventually I started the kde-extras in alioth for kubuntu pkgs page. Suggestions for a good pagename welcome ;) [08:56] allee: yay :) [08:56] allee: i was always shocking with names. [08:57] Hobbsee: heh. When it keeps raining I may even finish it today ;) [08:58] hehe :) [08:58] what's in it? [08:58] well, will more be put in it? [08:58] wiki or svn? [08:59] svn, i think === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:01] Hobbsee: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde contains all KDE main pkgs and in kde-extras lots of others kde apps === froud [n=froud@dsl-145-39-98.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [09:02] Hobbsee: what will be added depends on the KDE Extras devels (and of course the kubuntu devels) [09:02] allee: yeah, fair enough [09:03] allee: i've just had a thought. for any new kde programs, should we be shoving them into debian first, then syncing them? [09:03] Hobbsee: that's what I do ;) [09:03] allee: right. who do we have to upload to the debian repos? you a DD? [09:04] no. DD process was a night mare when I felt motivated. Now I have a quick sponsor and motivation drop to near yero ;) [09:04] allee: near yero? [09:04] Not sure I'll ever try to apply for DD [09:05] allee: nice, okay. so it's not hard to get stuff in [09:05] argl. german keyboard. s/yero/zero/ [09:05] ahh :) === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hussam [n=hussam@194.146.153.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hussam [n=hussam@194.146.153.38] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [09:24] Hobbsee: could you confirm 62790 [09:30] bug 62790 [09:30] Malone bug 62790 in kvpnc "Please sync kvpnc (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62790 [09:31] fabo, done [09:31] fabo, you do kbfx in debian also right ? [09:31] yes [09:32] fabo, wana request a sync for that real fast too and i'll ack it [09:32] shouldent be any delta iirc [09:32] but make sure [09:32] imbrandon: i fixed some bug upstream, and a new release should be published. it explains why i didn't request a sync atm [09:33] ahh ok [09:33] i want to have 0.4.9.2 final instead rc :) [09:34] right , but will they release in time to get it in edgy [09:34] ? [09:34] it must be released tomorrow [09:35] ahh nice ok [09:35] if they don't release it, i'll prepare at least 0492+cvs patch [09:35] ;) [09:36] anyway, thks for kvpnc confirmation :) [09:58] fabo: hi [09:59] fabo: any idea how to name a wiki page that invits kubuntu devels to commit their kubuntu independent changes directly to kde-extras repo? === keyne [n=fgonieau@sete.idealx.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fabo searching [10:08] fabo: a start of the page exists only in my kate puffer right now ;) === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] allee: kutnubu or kubuntu debian collaboration (KDC) or kubuntu debian collaborative maintenance ;) [10:21] fabo: mhhm, too general :( Tt's KDE apps only KDEAppsDebianPkgCollaboration KDEAppsDebianCollaboration KDEExtrasPkg KDEExtrasKubuntu ... ? [10:23] allee: only extras package could be affected or also core kde modules ? [10:25] fabo: kde core stuff is different I assume. I _assume_ that some sort of well knownness of the author to the Qt/KDE Team is necessary before one get's commit rights [10:27] fabo: well, to get some kde-extra commit right, he/she should be known in this channel ;) [10:28] so we can go for KubuntuDebianKDEExtrasCollaboration ;) [10:28] Long but cool :) [10:29] all informations are in the title ;) [10:29] right. I'll use it. [10:31] fabo: in the case for kde apps not yet in kde-extras. Any idea about a policy? Okay to commit right away independent if there's a sponsor right now, or first ask on pkg-kde-extras ml? [10:31] KubuntuKDEExtras sounds good to me [10:31] allee, and it would be nice if i could get commit access [10:32] imbrandon: ah, a test user. See: http://rafb.net/paste/results/LmAQJs83.html [10:33] imbrandon: it's quite some time ago that I went through the procedure. I hope I remembered it right ;) [10:34] allee: any kde apps not yet in kde-extras ? :D [10:35] fabo: I doubt that you miss one! [10:35] allee: if you ahev commit rights, i assume that you can commit right away [10:36] have [10:36] fabo: yes, the ACL is valid for everything below kde-extras [10:36] allee: and i have done like that. i mean when i want to add a new package, i push it without asking on ml [10:38] fabo: can you add a paragraph how to do it? I used svn-inject only once ;) [10:39] allee: i never used any svn-* tools :) [10:39] fabo: really? I thought you're the expert :) [10:39] oh no it is mark :=) [10:40] but i know some tricks that we can use [10:41] heh, this proves that svn-* knowledge is not necessary. Good. [10:41] i'll complete the wiki page when you finish to work on it ;) === _froud_ [n=froud@dsl-145-26-85.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:04] imbrandon: i saw that you worked on dh_iconcache ? [11:04] yea i did a few of those last cycle [11:05] imbrandon: in gnome.mk they use dh_iconcache , is it the same behavior for kde ? [11:05] it is now, wasent the case then ( those were done about 5 months ago ) [11:05] oh nice :) [11:06] ;) [11:06] imbrandon: coul you take a look at 62306 :) [11:06] +d [11:06] sure , bug 62306 [11:06] Malone bug 62306 in kimdaba "Please sync kimdaba (universe) from Debian Sid (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62306 [11:06] my last issue was dh_iconcache ;) [11:07] fabo: correct. i hacked it :P [11:07] so if it is now in kde.mk, it's resolved :p [11:07] Hobbsee: good work :) [11:07] :) [11:08] fabo, done ( it does use kde.mk correct ? ) [11:09] yes [11:09] thks all ;) [11:09] kk commented and ack'd === pascalFR [i=qBiSJbkZ@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee goes out to shoot whoever broke https:// browsing in konq. [11:49] that's darned unacceptable. === Tonio__ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:18] fabo, imbrandon and all others: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEExtras [12:18] please fix any bug, stupid explanations ^^ [12:19] it stopped raining here, so I have work outside this afternoon. BB tonight. === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.35.108] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:49] imbrandon: ping ? [12:50] Tonio__, pong [12:51] imbrandon: I'm currently porting all beryl packages to edgy, fancy testing when done ? [12:51] I tested and that's pretty nice :) [12:52] Tonio__, sure [12:52] okay I'll let you know :) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ is now known as Lure [01:38] Tonio_: tried kde 3.5.5 yet? [01:38] *has only had two bugs* [01:38] one showstopper, one great annoyance. [01:40] Hobbsee: not yet, but I will give a try today [01:42] Qt 4.2.0 released also [01:42] fabo: pubilcly? [01:43] yes [01:43] Riddell: can you remind me the repo for 3.5.5 ? [01:43] ooh, so it is [01:43] 18:14 < Riddell> ** for the brave deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main [01:43] :) [01:44] Riddell: I'll try those [01:45] Hobbsee: so, upgrade went smooth? [01:45] Riddell: thanks [01:45] Hobbsee: what's the bugs? kdesu presumably [01:46] Riddell: 355 is ok today, just kdesu and desktop pager bug are still here [01:46] Lure: what pager bug? [01:47] Tm_T: desktop pager in panel does not work (cannot move windows, cannot switch desktops) [01:47] weird [01:47] Tm_T: multiple desktops work though if I click already running app on tackbar [01:47] s/tackbar/taskbar/ [01:47] works here just fine [01:47] but I compile from svn [01:48] I'll give a try to packaged one [01:50] for those interested i ntesting beryl : http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/ [01:51] simply "apt-get install beryl emerald-themes", then start beryl-manager [01:51] what's beryl? [01:51] Tonio_: it will add the nvidia-beta and all the other beryl apps? [01:51] !beryl [01:51] beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You. [01:51] gnomefreak: not the nvidia part [01:51] Tonio_: ok [01:52] aah [01:52] gnomefreak: you have the list of packages I ported to edgy on the page [01:53] gnomefreak: a few bugs, but globaly it works, pretty nicelly [01:53] Tonio_: mine worked for a while than emerald was causing beryl to crash i had reinstalled ubuntu to test beta disk and i havetn gotten back to it yet [01:54] gnomefreak: I didn't experienced any crash here [01:54] but well that's just for fun, the future will be with metacity and kwin [01:54] Tonio_: either way to run it you either need beta drivers or xgl and im not real happy with xgl [01:55] compiz/beryl or other projects are just demo things in my opinion [01:55] agreed [01:55] as is xgl, too [01:56] gnomefreak: well with nvidia yes, but with intel chip, no need of this [01:56] Tonio_: yeah i forgot intel [01:56] beryl is nice, except not as fluid as compiz in my opinion [01:59] I read on the web that we could have a good surprise with kwin in 3.5.6 === gnomefreak gonna be trying 3.5.5 after i update [02:01] brb got an hour and half for updates [02:01] Riddell: kdesu, and the pager bug [02:02] Lure: you still can switch desktops. in fact, it all works if you get rid of the pager applet.. [02:02] i havent seen anything else yet === hunger [n=tobias@p54A64445.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:03] Hobbsee: do you see the kwallet icon in the systray ? [02:04] Tonio_: i've got it disabled anyway [02:04] Tonio_: point [02:04] Hobbsee: ah... because we need to find out if that bug is still there...... I will check myself in a few minutes :) [02:05] Tonio_: kwallet is still there in 355 [02:05] Lure: kwallet is there or kwallet bug ? :) === Hobbsee can force it there, and it was there when i lost my config, so yes [02:05] what's the kwallet bug? [02:05] Tonio_: it works as it should [02:05] Hobbsee: it didn't appear in the systray with 3.5.3 and 3.5.4 [02:05] Hobbsee: kwallet did not appear in taskbar [02:05] ah [02:05] does now [02:05] if you tell it to [02:06] Hobbsee: I had to make a 3.5.2 downgrade patch [02:06] ahh... [02:09] it's there, taking up space :P === Tonio_ restarting kde === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:12] Hobbsee: confirmed for the pager applet [02:12] Riddell: and kwallet doesn't need to be re-patched (good point !) [02:13] i had kwallet in sys tray and up on my applications menu icon in gnome [02:13] in 3.5.4 [02:13] gnomefreak: I patched it [02:13] ah ok [02:17] more upgrades :) [02:19] meeting on the 5th, 2100 UTC? [02:21] _Sime: ping ? [02:21] _Sime: I don't find the kcontrol module to reconfigure keyboard shortcuts [02:22] _Sime: okay we have the gestures component, but they don't duplicate, they are complementary... [02:22] _Sime: there are things that you cannot configure without the first one [02:22] _Sime: for example the shortcut to switch to the next desktop [02:22] _Sime: we should had it back [02:23] Riddell: the "middle click scroll" bug is resolved :) [02:23] on textareas is pastes and doesn't activate the scroll [02:24] ah... no still there...... [02:24] works on text input [02:24] armarok gets the lyrics from an outside source right? [02:26] Tonio_: that's there.... [02:27] Hobbsee: if it works on text inputs and not textareas, I assume we should be able to patch this.... [02:27] shouldn't be that complicated, I'll have a look [02:28] Tonio_: sorry, i meant that the keyboard shortcuts module is still there. such as shortcut to switching to next desktop [02:28] Tonio_: at least in current ubuntu version [02:28] were is it in k-s-s ? [02:29] Tonio_: keyboard and mouse, keyboard shortcuts [02:29] ahhhhhhhh, I thought that would be in accessibility [02:29] nope [02:29] Tonio_: try the search bar :P [02:29] _Sime: forget me :) [02:29] Hobbsee: hum, true hehe :) [02:29] Tonio_: :D [02:32] http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/20 [02:32] minipager debdiff........ [02:32] Riddell: what's the status of kde 3.5.5 w.r.t kopete packages? [02:33] quite a lot of changes [02:34] Hobbsee: I'm diffing with svn to see if there is potentially a fix [02:34] Tonio_: nice :) [02:34] Hobbsee: I asked a kopete dude if there's been any changes but got no reply, we'll just stick with separate kopete packages unless I hear there's been any changes [02:35] Riddell: sounds good to me. according to the topic in #kopete, they're distributing kopete 0.12.3 with kde 3.5.5, but i havent looked any closer with that. [02:35] hmm, that sounds like there are changes [02:36] rather === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:38] hi el [02:39] hi Tonio_ :) [02:39] hey el! === eln [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak didnt know riddle filed bugs :) === eln is now known as el [02:45] gnomefreak: sure he does. [02:46] gnomefreak: your kdeaddons bug that i was supposed to fix can go away now, too [02:46] i cant see it in my inbox anymore [02:46] ok let me see if i can find it. did i file it? [02:48] yep [02:48] i couldnt see it under kdeaddons [02:48] it'll either be under that or metabar [02:48] k looking [02:52] the guy with the bank account issue? [02:53] i dont have any left open on metabar/kdeaddons [02:53] a bunch of crashes still open kicker konq. and so on [02:53] gnomefreak: i can reproduce that bank account issue [02:54] ok [02:54] Hobbsee: I think I have a patch for minipager === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:54] Hobbsee: let's build and we'll see in a moment [02:54] Tonio_: woot! [02:54] Tonio_: sounds good to me :) [02:54] i want my pager back! [02:54] marked it as confirmed [02:54] Hobbsee: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/21 [02:55] Hobbsee: there was a change 3 days ago in the svn, 3.5 branch [02:55] and looking at the code, it talks about your problem (at least itseems too) [02:55] let's go :) [02:56] Tonio_: nice :) [02:56] Tonio_: you're rebuilding there? [02:56] Hobbsee: yes, I'm testing and telling you [02:56] anyone know what information is required for a usefull xorg bug about autodetection getting it wrong? [02:56] Tonio_: ahh, gotcha :) [02:58] Hobbsee: yes kopete 0.12.3 will be shipped in kde 3.5.5 [02:58] 0.12 branch has been moved back to 3.5 branch [02:59] Tm_T: cool. so where is it? are they going to release it separately as well, or what? [02:59] Hobbsee: it's where kopete should be, kdenetwork [02:59] Tm_T: right. guess that was a rather stupid question [03:00] how come? [03:01] well, where else would they distribute it, if they werent releasing separately? [03:01] hmm, true [03:01] you just did ask before think, typical to humans === Tm_T has been thinking human behaviour a lot lately [03:04] you're calling me normal? how odd. [03:04] i guess you're calling me human. [03:04] ;) [03:06] seaLne: at least Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf [03:07] Riddell: do you plan to ask for uvf exception request for kde or is that definitly too late ? [03:07] Lure: the issue is it uses ati instead of radeon which means it dosen't work [03:08] Tonio_: if we can fix kdesu and desktop pager I do [03:08] seaLne: I think that "ati" is generic driver name and thsi driver is supposed to autodetect card and do "radeon" mode [03:08] kdesu will be my fault, I'm looking at that now [03:08] desktop pager I've no idea [03:08] Riddell: Tonio_ has some pacth for destkop [03:08] oh? [03:08] http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/21 [03:08] in KDE svn [03:09] Riddell: I'm testing to see if that fixes the pager [03:09] Riddell: we just need to test if it works [03:09] Lure: it is currently building here [03:09] Tonio_: how did you work that out? [03:09] seaLne: and maybe syslog? [03:09] Riddell: diff with svn ;) [03:09] Riddell: there was a commit on minipager 3 days ago [03:09] on branch 3.5 [03:10] Riddell: when did you sync this ? [03:10] Tonio_: sync what? [03:11] the svn [03:11] I've not touched svn [03:12] hehe, I'm just asking when did you get the svn source ? because there are differences between your tarball and the current content of 3.5 branch, especially concerning the minipager [03:12] that's how I got the diff [03:13] hrrr [03:13] login gave me hit with both bugs, pager and su === My8os [n=My8os@ppp143-33.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [03:15] why isn't kde improving kdesu si that we can switch between su and sudo within a kdesurc file ? [03:15] that would be nice, lots of distros are using sudo now... === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [03:16] Tonio_: I merged my kdesu sudo patches into 3.5 branch [03:16] which is probably what's caused this problem [03:16] Riddell: ah okay :) [03:17] hmm, is there any temporary workaround? gksudo doesn't apply my settings to running app [03:18] Riddell: concerning the joystick modules, I think if we change the cxxflags just for that part, removing -ansi, we should be able to compile it [03:18] but I don't know if this is possible..... changing the flags just for a subfolder... in makefile.am probably ? [03:19] I'll test this today [03:23] Riddell: did you pbuild or debuild your package ? [03:23] Riddell: ftbfs here... [03:23] /tmp/buildd/kdebase-3.5.5/./kdialog/progressdialog.cpp: In member function 'virt ual void ProgressDialog::ignoreCancel()': [03:23] /tmp/buildd/kdebase-3.5.5/./kdialog/progressdialog.cpp:90: error: 'ignoreCancel' is not a member of 'KProgressDialog' [03:23] make[3] : *** [kdialog.all_cpp.o] Error 1 [03:25] has anyone updated kmplayer in the past month? [03:25] gnomefreak: yes, me, why ? [03:25] gnomefreak: I use svn version, does it count? [03:25] bug 53287 [03:25] Malone bug 53287 in kdebase "Konqueror crash opening video" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53287 [03:26] looks like in the backtrace that kmplayer but i might be reading that wrong [03:26] gnomefreak: that's probably kaffeine issue [03:26] gnomefreak: the bug is old, so I would say it was kaffeine kpart in use [03:27] ok ill ask if it still happening === Tonio_ reading the trace [03:27] gnomefreak: I'm pretty sure that's kaffeine [03:27] ok ty [03:27] that's because of that error that we switched to kmplayer === apokryp3 [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:44] Riddell: confirmed, I can't pbuild kdebase here.... it fails [03:45] Tonio_: even against kdelibs 3.5.5? [03:46] Riddell: hehe I don't have the source repo for this :) [03:46] ignoreCancel is in kprogress.h in kde 3.5.5 === Tonio_ is stupid sometomes :) [03:46] Riddell: have a source repo for kdelibs ? [03:47] up now, same as binary [03:47] Riddell: okay, thanks [03:47] is it just me or does akregator hang (with CPU load) on this RSS feed: http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/news/?cmd=rss [03:48] Lure: works for me [03:48] Riddell: interesting... [03:50] Riddell: sorry but what is the binary repo for kdelibs ? [03:50] same than kdebase ? [03:51] deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main [03:51] Riddell: I don't see kdelibs 3.5.5 there [03:52] I mean I have the sources, but not the binaries [03:53] kdelibs4c2a is definately in there for i386 [03:53] how did you test kde 3.5.5 again? [03:53] Riddell: when I apt-get source, kdelibs, it takes 3.5.5, but when I apt-cache search kdelibs, it show 3.5.4..... [03:54] Tonio_: use apt-cache madison, perhaps [03:54] kdelibs | 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages [03:55] apt-cache show kdelibs | grep Version -> Version: 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu18 [03:55] what the hell is this ? [03:55] do you have the deb line in source.list? === [niceday] [n=daniel@87.100.54.53] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:55] Riddell: yeah I have both binary and source repos [03:55] Riddell: I upgraded kde....... [03:56] I don't understand...... === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm62.omega21.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:56] tonio@kubuntu:~$ grep kubuntu /etc/apt/sources.list [03:56] deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main [03:56] deb-src http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main [03:56] what the hell....... [03:57] Riddell: is your packages.gz up to date ? [03:58] works for me [03:58] i386 only of course [03:58] Riddell: cache issue probably........ I'll clean apt [03:58] Riddell: yes, I have i386 too [04:01] no, same problem........ [04:01] damn....... === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:02] Riddell: hi, oem-config works properly (*finally*), in today's build... [04:03] Riddell: after it is run, the default user in the kdm login screen is 'oem',(since oem logged in in the previous session), could this be made blank? [04:03] Howdy folks [04:04] hi bddebian :) [04:04] Hello abattoir [04:05] abattoir: just need to remove that from wherever its saved [04:05] abattoir: trouble is I've no idea where it's saved [04:05] kdmrc maybe? [04:05] i'll try to find out [04:06] abattoir: /var/lib/kdm/kdmsts [04:06] abattoir: is there a script we can just do rm -f /var/lib/kdm/kdmsts in that's run after the oem user has logged out? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:07] Riddell: i'll see if i can put it in the script which removes the oem user, i'll speak w/ Kamion about this, thanks :) [04:07] re [04:08] works now...... [04:08] Riddell, Hobbsee: "When you have a weird issue and don't wanna search for hours, remember M$ and reboot !" [04:08] phrase of the day [04:08] Tonio_: heh. where was that? [04:08] Hobbsee: don't know, I just rebooted and now apt works....... [04:08] ah [04:09] I assume I had the same problem with pbuilder since it uses apt, because I added riddell's repo to pbuilderrc without any success [04:09] okay let's build and fix kicker === beligum [n=beligum@d54C49278.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.236.123] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:19] it's too slow to access kubuntu.org here [04:20] what to do with bug 46599 [04:20] Malone bug 46599 in kdebase "Moving the System menu breaks the screensaver kcontrol module" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/46599 [04:20] I think we should reject. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:20] not that the bug doesn't exist, but we are not supposed to maintain kcontrol [04:22] Tonio_: kcontrol in universe? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:23] zphou: no, but kcontrol replaced :) [04:24] Tonio_: it's alternative, so you can't rejesct it :) [04:25] zphou: depends if that impact systemsettings also :) [04:25] in any case I think I can't in fact ;) [04:26] Tonio_: kdesystemsetttings should have the gtk-qt engine control module [04:26] Tonio_: for those using KDE alongside gnome, it's an essential module every time you switch desktops [04:27] (and that probably fulfills your 'easier bug from jdong' request too!) [04:27] jdong: if we wanna backport a package, shall we work on it, or you? [04:27] jdong: it has htk-qt-engine [04:27] Tonio_: not when I used it a few days ago.. did that recently change? [04:28] jdong: it is there for about a month [04:28] zphou: I'd appreciate it if you can test it first in a dapper pbuilder, etc [04:28] jdong: under appearance [04:28] Tonio_: I am going to start kss in GNOME right now. if it's not there, you owe me a tray of cookies [04:28] Tonio_: and my next 5 motu-pokes [04:29] jdong: if there has abi changes, need ask for approval? [04:29] zphou: bah... what are you trying to backport? [04:29] Tonio_: ok, you don't owe me any cookies today :D [04:30] jdong: scim-chewing [04:30] jdong: ^^ [04:30] zphou: oh yeah, I remember this being asked a while back... [04:31] zphou: scim-chewing in dapper didn't really work, right? === jdong digs out bug report [04:31] jdong: I don't use it either :) [04:31] zphou: I remember a scim-chewing request before [04:32] and after a while of looking at it, it was eventually decided as rejected [04:32] we tend not to like to deal with abi changes all that much :( [04:32] but guys have disputed over this times, no guy do anything on it actrually :p [04:34] jdong: would u like working on it :) [04:34] anyway, dapper is LTS [04:34] zphou: scim-chewing and libchewing need backporting, no other reverse deps, right? [04:34] zphou: what is wrong with dapper chewing anyway.... please explain that to me first [04:34] if it's a serious problem, it should be handled via dapper-updates [04:35] jdong: scim-chewing in dapper is buggy (upstream ) [04:35] zphou: that's not really specific enough... [04:35] jdong: guys can hardly use it for input Traditinal Chinese [04:35] ah [04:36] zphou: have you poked mdz about it before? [04:36] it's better suited for dapper-updates than backports [04:36] but we'll take it if mdz rejects it [04:36] jdong: this topic seems like a troll in malone :) [04:36] :) [04:37] jdong: you mean updates can handle the change of abi? [04:37] zphou: well, to a degree [04:37] I don't see anything else using libchewing than scim-chewing [04:38] that seems fine for updates, then [04:38] jdong: ya, only scim-chewing [04:39] oh no, also libchewing3-dev :p === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:49] hehe, novell invites me to paris seminar next month [04:50] I wonder how they got my address [04:51] Tonio_: you are famous Tonio from Kubuntu ;-) === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:53] Tonio_: what for? === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:56] Hobbsee: seminar top promote suse new products blabla....... [04:56] Hobbsee: I probably won't go there [04:56] ah [04:56] heh. it could be fun to go though [04:56] see what of interest there is in suse products [04:56] maybe bring some of the good stuff back to kubuntu. *g* [04:56] Hobbsee: I'm not leaving in paris anymore :) [04:57] and the train is a bit expensived [04:57] Lure: bah... that doesn't explain for my postal address :) [04:57] Tonio_: ahh. invitation or sponsorship? [04:57] Hi all, I wrote a little essay on the concept of future videohelpdesking in the open-source community. If you're interested: http://blog.beligum.org [04:58] Tonio_: for promote suse? :) [05:01] Hobbsee: invitation :) [05:01] Tonio_: :) [05:01] pity [05:01] Hobbsee: hehe [05:01] well they pay for the lunch, but not the train [05:02] freeflying: no just a seminar, nothing else [05:02] Hobbsee: kdebase is almost built....... just a few minutes and we'll know what about kicker [05:02] Tonio_: yay :) === Hobbsee didnt know she relied on the pager so much, until it was severely broken. [05:06] Hobbsee: argh ! [05:06] ftbfs again [05:06] :( [05:06] Riddell: dh_install: kdebase-doc missing files (debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdebase*-apidocs/*), aborting [05:06] I've never had that [05:07] Riddell: hum, yes, that's very strange.... crappy laptop maybe...... ;) [05:07] okay let's restart from the begening...... [05:07] :-( === Ubug2 [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:08] I'm rebuilding the package, just adding my patch, and we'll see === sebas [i=sebas@leviathan.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:11] Tonio_: sorry about rejecting the bug i didnt hear anything so i rejected it [05:11] gnomefreak: no pb :) [05:12] btw you may see a bug on kde-meta soon something about depends issues [05:12] 3.5.4 === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === Hawkwind [n=SoS@ulteo/community-leader/Hawkwind] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-238-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:33] Hey everyone, they didn't want me at #ubuntu-bugs, so I'm back here [05:34] Tonio_: if you get that fixed, can you email me with a link to the deb, or whatever, so that i can grab the fix? i'm going to sleep.. [05:34] I'd *really* appreciate some help with bug 63325 since nobody is noticing it, just me [05:34] Malone bug 63325 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63325 [05:36] mhb: I want to look at that but can't today, already doing kde 3.5.5 and qt 4.2 [05:36] kde 3.5.5? [05:36] is that out? [05:36] no [05:37] Hobbsee: sure, I'll put it on my repo so that you can dist-upgrade === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:37] Hobbsee: I took Riddell's package, and just adding my patch this time. no buildprep, nothing [05:37] Hobbsee: I hope it'll work [05:37] Tonio_: i dont have yours enabled. i dont have the link, either === Hobbsee nods [05:37] yeah [05:37] i lost part of my logs :( [05:37] Riddell: thanks, I'll remind myself in a few days .. it's just that it's hug/bug day today [05:38] Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org [05:38] Hobbsee: you even can download binaries there if you don't want to use the repo [05:38] Tonio_: what package will it be? [05:38] yeah, that's what i usually do [05:38] Hobbsee: kicker ? :) [05:38] ah, so just kicker [05:39] yes [05:40] Tonio_: you're mr. adblock for konq, right? [05:40] cool [05:41] jdong: hehe, yes :) [05:41] jdong: well I implemented the plugin and set the default rules, that's all :) [05:41] jdong: have an issue ? [05:41] Tonio_: have you considered using easylist.adblockplus.org's lists? [05:42] jdong: nope [05:42] Tonio_: IMO they are far superior to filterset.G [05:42] jdong: ah ? very interesting [05:42] jdong: any copyright or licence restriction on them ? [05:42] Tonio_: I'll check, I don't know... [05:43] it's for adblockplus, an open source project, so I wouldn't expect so [05:43] jdong: well filtersetG as a licence, but upstream confirmed me we could use it [05:43] Tonio_: I'll contact upstream for you [05:43] jdong: not needed probably [05:44] jdong: I'll test the list first, and if that's okay, let's go [05:44] for me, filtersetG is about the perfection [05:44] I couldn't find any website to resist [05:44] Tonio_: easylist and easyelements (both on the same site) are great [05:44] Tonio_: easyelements will actually collapse the blank space that sometimes is left behind [05:44] jdong: what are the differences ? have an example to compare ? [05:45] jdong: ah ! that's interesting [05:45] okay let's give a try :) [05:46] Tonio_: it stops cnet.com's annoying expanding-ads dead in its tracks [05:47] jdong: no regular expressions ? that's surprizing [05:47] yeah, for such a simple thing, it does wonders [05:47] the elements list is a bit more complex [05:50] jdong: works pretty nicelly [05:51] jdong: I'll test that for a few days, and if that's okay and there is no restrictive licence, I'll commit to kds [05:51] thanks for the info [05:51] Tonio_: welcome :) [05:54] jdong: is the element blocking compatible with konqueror's adblock ? [05:54] I'm unsure :) [05:54] Tonio_: I believe so [05:55] jdong: I'm testing, that pretty easy to test === mhb is ready for testing, if somebody needs that === pascalFR [i=hIhkd7pR@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:57] Tonio_: hmm, perhaps the # command is not understood.... [05:59] jdong: yes, it doesn't work....... [05:59] so element blocking is not of any use...... at the moment at least [06:00] jdong: I'll submit the idea to konqueror's team [06:00] Tonio_: awesome === jdong tries merging filterset.g with easylist [06:00] jdong: concerning the first list, I think filterset.g is better, for one reason [06:01] jdong: a static list needs to be updated very often, and we don't have an updater [06:01] Tonio_: filterset.g looks more static to me [06:01] Tonio_: its regex is very specific to sites [06:02] jdong: hum....... not that much in my opinion [06:02] there are lots of regexp that are generic [06:02] well I'll compare easylist with adblock for a few days, going to porn websites, hacking websites, and we'll se which one is the best [06:02] Tonio_: easylist's wildcard matches are pretty effective [06:03] jdong: certainly, yes, so taht's why I want to compare. [06:03] a konqueror plugin to update the lists would be good too :) [06:03] lol, certainly [06:04] jdong: if someone feels ready to improve the current adblock plugins that would be nice :) [06:04] hehe, my kde programming familiarity doesn't extend that far :) [06:05] Riddell: kicker's patch works :) [06:05] Riddell: hehe :) [06:05] Tonio_: rocking [06:05] Riddell: true ;) [06:06] Riddell: want a debdiff I assume ? === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] Tonio_: sure [06:08] Tonio_: you mentioned fixed packages for desktop pager [06:09] where can I get them? [06:09] Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/22 [06:09] Riddell: you can download it from there [06:09] Lure: ready for dcc ? [06:09] Lure: waiting for you to accept [06:10] Tonio_: accepted it, but it is not going anywhere [06:10] ok, it started [06:10] hum........ [06:10] ah [06:10] timed out... [06:11] hum...... okay let's come back to normal ftp [06:11] Download of "kicker_3.5.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb" from Tonio_ failed. Reason: Connection failure: timed operation timed out. [06:11] :) [06:12] Lure: ah yes, my router sucks :) sorry [06:12] Lure: it's upnp support it a pure bullshit [06:12] Tonio_: I have OpenWRT and it rocks [06:12] lure: http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/kicker_3.5.5-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [06:13] Tonio_: need testing? === _beligum [n=beligum@d54C49278.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:13] Tm_T: yes please ;) [06:13] aye sir [06:13] install, killall kicker and restart [06:13] works like a charm here [06:13] Tonio_: nah, "dcop kicker kicker restart" is clean way [06:13] Lure: the point is it is very special in france [06:13] Tonio_: I restart kicker "on the fly" almost every day :p [06:14] each ISP comes with it's own box, providing telephone, tv and adsl [06:14] Tonio_: you ROCK!!!! [06:14] and my isp sucks, but I don't wanna change it, since it'll take ages...... [06:14] Lure: ;) [06:14] Riddell: grab patch from Tonio_! [06:14] Lure: bah svn sync + diff... wasn't that complicated [06:15] kde maintainers rock, not me :) [06:15] Lure: I'm still looking at kdesu [06:15] Tonio_: but you are fast ;-) [06:15] Lure: that's true :) I don't have a job at the moment, that explains :) [06:15] Riddell: ok, great - I just seen I got new kdepim, will play a bit more with it now... [06:15] Tonio_: I am on babysitting my daughter today (she is sick) [06:16] Lure: hehe, not too much sick I hope.... [06:18] Tonio_: so, I just check if minipager works? [06:18] anything else? === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.227] has joined #kubuntu-devel === andrunko [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:20] Tm_T: that's it [06:20] roger [06:20] federer ? === Tonio_ laughs alone :-( [06:21] just. works. [06:21] Tonio_: fine by me === Tm_T reinstalls his own fork -> [06:21] Tm_T: great, thanks for confirming [06:21] Riddell: just installed gnome to test gpm key behaviour [06:22] Riddell: no default action for sleep key, but battery show the gpm's tip [06:22] I always forger how large arrows default kicker uses [06:22] Lure: so you press sleep and gnome power manager displays the battery status? [06:22] Riddell: I am thinking of do hard assigning of Standby -> Suspend and Sleep -> Hibernate and user can then change behaviour by changing xkeysym [06:23] Riddell: no, there is battery key on my laptop. Sleep key does nothing [06:23] (at least by default) [06:23] right [06:23] Standby -> Suspend and Sleep -> Hibernate sounds sensible [06:24] if this does not fit somebody, then they can change /usr/share/apps/kxkb/ubuntu.xmodmap [06:25] yes [06:25] Riddell: I will do a patch for ksmserver for all three keys and then try to get some testers before sending you to one of coredev to apply === jdong|laptop [n=jdong@d192-24-235-141.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:27] Riddell: Kamion has added the command which removes kdmsts, just fyi [06:27] abattoir: great [06:27] Riddell: one guy mentioned regression in regards to laptop keys on asus === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:28] Riddell: do we have package for old asus/dell/thinkpad kmilo modules [06:28] Lure: kmilo-legacy [06:28] I doubt we will be able to fix this in time for edgy, so workaround would help [06:28] great === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.227] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:34] Tonio_: while we evaluate the new filters, how about at least a filterset.g update to something that's NOT 6 months old? :D === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@72.160-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A6196D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:52] Tonio_: go knetworkmanager! [06:53] Riddell: what about ? [06:55] Tonio_: UVF exception approved [06:55] wasn't 0.1 already uploaded? [06:56] oh hah [06:56] Riddell: yes, I already uploaded [06:56] my e-mail server just decided to finally send an e-mail from september 30th [06:56] about 5 days ago at least :) [06:56] jdong: it took a very long time to get any clarity about scim-chewing in malone; there are several unrelated issues [06:56] jdong|laptop: yes that's a pretty nice idea ;) [06:57] jdong: current focus is to get everything sorted in edgy and working well, then talk about -updates [06:57] mdz: ok, sounds good. this scim-chewing thing is so confusing :) [07:07] toma: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RosettaAndUpstreamCollaboration [07:09] Riddell: exciting... reading... [07:09] I read that too ... [07:12] OT: sometimes I feel it's harder to collaborate between Kubuntu and KDE Czech translations because the person in charge of translating KDE apps is a paid SUSE employee :o) [07:12] haha [07:13] Riddell: I'll look into it in depth a bit more later on, looks good though [07:15] Tm_T: the ironic thing is that the GNOME translator in charge of CZ l10n is a SUSE employee as well :o) [07:15] mhb: sounds fun [07:17] Tm_T: that's just the start ... would you believe that OK/Apply/Cancel is translated differently in Windows, KDE and GNOME (all 3 different versions) ? [07:18] I can === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm62.omega21.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:20] Tm_T: a lot of people (the GNOME/KDE l10n chiefs, for instance) dislike Ubuntu translations because we translate both KDE and GNOME consistently [07:21] but that supposed to be good thing [07:23] Tm_T: well, it makes Ubuntu (Kubuntu) more consistent but the KDE/GNOME guys refuse our translations because they sometimes differ from their "pure" KDE only/GNOME only translations [07:24] Tm_T: because we use only one dictionary for both, not one for GNOME and a different one for KDE [07:24] hmm, I haven't heard same behaviour in finnish translation teams === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.236.123] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:26] Tm_T: a lot of people at leading positions tend to be stubborn (and convinced that "their" translation is the best one) [07:26] human nature :) [07:28] Tm_T: so there's the Windows translations, Firefox translations, KDE translations, GNOME translations ... all different [07:30] yeah [07:30] glad Opera fi translator is also somewhat KDE activist [07:31] ,m === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai [07:32] let's get back to devel :o) [07:38] Riddell: maybe we can now make the annoucement of the Kubuntu Testers team on the kubuntu-users and kubuntu-devel mailing lists [07:39] Riddell: the main wiki page is present [07:39] mhb: count me in (that's what I do anyway) === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.227] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [07:40] Tm_T: great! [07:42] mhb: url? [07:42] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTesters [07:43] mhb: cool [07:44] mhb: yes, announce on kubuntu-users kubuntu-devel and add it to UWN [07:44] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue16 [07:45] Riddell: thanks [07:45] I'll do that [07:46] hi all, do you know if qt4.2 will be on edgy? i am asking this cause if it happens i will have to update the telepathy-qt package. Currently telepathy-qt package is being patched because of an old version of qt-kdecopy on edgy [07:46] andrunko: I don't know but I'm packaging it now and if there's no problems I'll ask for it to be let in [07:47] Riddell: nice, if it gets in please let me know, i will have to update telepathy-qt, actually, just remove some patches in there :) [07:47] of course [07:52] In Mandriva you can do cat /etc/release to find out what version of the OS you are running, what's the equivalent in Kubuntu ? [07:52] Hawkwind: lsb_release -a [07:52] Thanks === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink is now known as raphink === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:02] sebas: ? [08:02] sebas: ping [08:02] Hawkwind: lsb_release oh never mind... === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has left #kubuntu-devel ["YAAHARRR] [08:06] Lure: pong === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm62.omega21.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:07] I expected that dcop name of powermanager would not use pid since we use KUniqueApplication now === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm62.omega21.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:09] sebas: other question is if you did commit "SUSPEND_USE_HAL = False" by accident [08:11] sebas: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/other/dcop.html says: [08:11] KUniqueApplication automatically registers itself to DCOP. If you are using KUniqueApplication you should not attach or register yourself, this is already done. The appId is by definition equal to kapp->name(). You can retrieve the registered DCOP client by calling kapp->dcopClient(). [08:12] Lure: Ooops. should be True indeed. [08:12] I'll fix it immediately. [08:12] sebas: I though so... [08:12] Committed. [08:13] sebas: I got it - we need to drop RegisterAs now when wi have KUniqueApplication [08:13] will do this now [08:14] Ok, I can test it then. [08:14] sebas: this will probably also fix the dirty hack issue [08:14] That would be nice [08:17] sebas: it starts properly, prevents multiple instances, but still reports: [08:17] power-manager: ERROR: Communication problem with power-manager, it probably crashed. === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@72.160-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-129-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === andrunko [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:50] Lure, sebas: ping me if you need an uploader once done [08:51] Tonio_: you're a core-dev right :) [08:51] jdong: as long as it can help.... [08:51] jdong: I updated filtersetg in kds [08:51] Tonio_: yeah, I saw that. thanks :) [08:52] :) [08:53] Tonio_: would you like to test for me if core-dev can upload to dapper-backports? [08:53] Tonio_: be sure I will ;-) - problem is that dcop does not work in KUniqueApplication as it should :-( [08:53] Lure: yeah, I remember that kuniqueapplication issue [08:54] jdong: hum, I don't think I can [08:54] that requires other rights I think [08:54] jdong: imbrandon can so he can answer [08:54] imbrandon: poke :) [08:55] and btw I'm not supposed to upload to backports :) [08:55] Tonio_: pfft.... nonsense :) [08:55] Tonio_: if I say you are, then you are :) [08:55] Tonio_: every coredev can... === _Sime is fixing some of those pesky kde media patch problems. [08:56] Tonio_: this is why we have coredev's ;-) [08:56] Tonio_: the theory is, core-devs should be able to upload to dapper-backports [08:56] whether or not they're on the backports team [08:57] jdong: true that, but I'm not supposed to do so :) [08:57] jdong: I prefer to let the backport team do its job :) [08:57] Tonio_: I don't have the power to do my job :) [08:57] Tonio_: hence me scrounging around for a core-dev [08:58] jdong: what do you need to backport ? [08:58] https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bug/63275 [08:58] Malone bug 63275 in dapper-backports "readahead-list " [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:58] faster dapper bootup :) [08:58] needs edgy's boot.list to be replaced with stock dapper's [08:58] which I've attached to the bug ticket [08:59] that's the only modification [08:59] add a ~dapper1 to the version, and it's ready to go [09:00] jdong: hum, isn't mdz supposed to revu such an upload ? [09:00] I was just talking to mdz and the launchpad guys [09:00] anything concerning the boot process is somehow sensitive [09:00] Tonio_: I've tested it very extensively [09:01] it's really not much of a change [09:01] if mdz is okay I would do it, of course, but I wouldn't take the responsability of it :) [09:01] Tonio_: blame it all on me if something goes wrong :) [09:01] jdong: yes, I understand that, but that's a matter of "respecting the process" ;) [09:01] Tonio_: one sec, I'll talk to the big guy a bit [09:01] (more) [09:02] hehe okay [09:07] Tonio_: "the man" has approved it :) [09:09] jdong: great then [09:09] and kamion is around to watch it happen, so this shall be a fun one :) [09:09] now the question is "how to upload to backports" :) [09:09] beats me.... you're the core-dev :) [09:09] Tonio_: 'dapper-backports' in changelog/.changes [09:10] mdz: hehe okay :) [09:10] jdong: let's go [09:10] no idea if it will work [09:10] someone needs to talk to LP folks about it [09:11] mdz: I asked in #launchpad, but no response [09:11] mdz: it has already been tested afaik.... I can't test myself, since all my machines are under edgy [09:11] maybe someone with more significance should ask? [09:11] Tonio_: he was referring to he has no idea if the upload process will work [09:11] jdong: ah okay [09:11] Tonio_: I mean the upload, yes [09:11] Tonio_: (regarding the package, you did add ~dapper1 to the version number, right?) [09:12] jdong: well, imbrandon knows that to do, probably better asking him no ? [09:12] jdong: he'll probably come in a moment [09:12] Tonio_: he wasn't sure the last time I asked him [09:12] Tonio_: I think we're all in the same boat here :) [09:12] jdong: hum... [09:13] I must say I never looked at how to backport something.... === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:14] Tonio_: replace debian/boot.list, add changelog entry, new version = old version and ~dapper1, then fire away :) [09:14] jdong: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportsHowto [09:14] Tonio_: that's the general backports policy from when TB first approved backports, yes [09:15] it's not been updated for a while :) [09:15] jdong: true that.... [09:15] jdong: okay let's do the package and test :) [09:15] sounds like fun :) [09:17] sebas: I have sent more findings to PyKDE mailing list [09:18] jdong: hum, the point is I need to take the edgy package to backport it [09:18] right, edgy sources [09:18] jdong: in the backport policy, I'm not supposed to touche at the package content [09:18] mdz has already approved changing boot.list [09:19] jdong: was that tested ? or just the dapper package with the boot.list ? [09:19] yes, that's what I tested [09:19] okay, so I will take the dapper package and update the boot.list [09:19] sounds cleaner [09:19] the attached boot.list is the same one that's in dapper's package :) [09:19] whoa [09:19] no [09:19] edgy package [09:19] with dapper boot.list [09:19] jdong: okay [09:19] sorry but I'm watching the tv at the same time ;) hard to be concerntrated :) [09:20] hehe :) [09:20] okay so edgy package with your attached boot.list from dapper, that's it ! [09:20] yep [09:21] while we're cranking away, a slightly OT question, will apport work with Kubuntu? [09:22] jdong: afaik not - we use kde crash collector for now [09:22] Lure: ok, but that will only catch kde crashes, right? [09:22] jdong: Riddell mentioned that we might reconsider for edgy+1 based on ubuntu feedback [09:23] jdong: correct [09:23] ok, sounds good [09:23] jdong: you are not supposed to run non KDE programs under kde ;-) [09:23] Lure: CLI apps segfault, too :) [09:23] especially if written by me [09:25] jdong: I'm looking at the deps.... it seems to be okay indeed [09:25] Tonio_: you really don't trust me when I say I tested it, do you ;-) [09:26] I break flash once, and nobody will ever take my word when it comes to QA ever again :D [09:26] jdong: when I'm doing something I'm not used to, I don't trust ANYONE ! :) [09:27] jdong: do you have a dapper chroot ? [09:27] I don't here and I'd like to build before upload [09:27] Tonio_: I have dapper pbuilders, and dapper vmware boxes [09:28] jdong: can I send you the source package for building ? [09:28] Tonio_: sure [09:29] http://tonio.homelinux.org/tmp/ [09:29] jdong: once you confirm it builds, I'll upload :) [09:30] k, gonna grab it === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-250-200.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:32] Tonio_: successful build [09:34] jdong: let's go [09:35] jdong: done [09:35] Tonio_: alright; let's see what happens :) === GNUro [n=GNUro@host250-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:36] hello! [09:37] hi GNUro [09:37] Hi Tonio_!=) === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-250-200.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb pokes Riddell [09:47] Riddell: I saw you were the only one from Kubuntu to contribute to the table here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current [09:49] Riddell: since more people want to test dailies (and I don't want to edit the devs' pages) our team is going to use the table here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Current [09:56] imbrandon: having some trouble with amarok/edgy/powerbook [09:57] Tonio_: whoo! looks like that backport worked :D [09:59] jdong: great ;) [10:12] mhb: great [10:12] mhb: but the trouble with that page is it gets wiped when we start testing a new build [10:14] Riddell: you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current, right? Yes, that's one of the reasons why we're using our own in Testing/Kubuntu/Current [10:14] Riddell: better to say - are going to use [10:15] jdong: sorry but I don't understanf [10:15] I'l do it :) [10:15] according to mdz, you are responsible for backports, but you don't have upload rights ? [10:16] Tonio_: backports aren't usually uploaded at all; they're copied from the development branch [10:16] mdz: ah, that's why [10:16] mhb: ah, I see, cool [10:16] mdz: I though it was generally simple uploads as usual [10:17] Riddell: what do you think? Will you contribute to our table or stick to the main one? [10:17] Riddell: or should we sync the two somehow? === jdong sets up a quick proftpd server [10:18] Riddell: have you managed to fix kdesu with 3.5.5 ? [10:18] jdong: so what do you want me to do on the ticket ? [10:18] mhb: if people are just testing dailys as they have time then it should go on a separate page, if we're testing CDs so we know we can make a release that should go on the normal page [10:18] Tonio_: I've got it handled from here [10:18] Tonio_: it looks good for a backport [10:18] Tonio_: yes, packages are updated (no change in version numbers) [10:18] jdong: I did as you say "also affect upstream: dapper-backports" [10:19] Riddell: perfect ;) [10:19] Tonio_: yep === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:20] jdong: would be nice if you can do that :) It's a pain rebuilding it each time I install a lamp machine :) [10:20] Riddell: we're going to test dailies once a week, I guess ... but I hope the info will be useful for you nevertheless [10:21] Riddell: and when you need the "release CD testers" we can help out as well [10:21] mhb: yes, it's always useful to test dailies [10:24] everyone: I'm doing a list of the stuff the Kubuntu Testers should check in Edgy (there was an old list, but it needs improvement) ... what do you think should be tested the most? [10:25] I know it's hard to say right now, we'll have more time for edgy+1 but we want to help finalize Edgy as well [10:27] mhb: seen https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Short ? [10:27] and /Long ? [10:28] we need a Long Kubuntu [10:28] Riddell: sure, I copied it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Introduction [10:29] Riddell: but I guess there is room for improvement, so I wanted to know what the devs think about it [10:31] or what are the most likely problems in Edgy === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:32] upgrade from dapper is biggest problem [10:33] mhb: IMHO most likely problems' should be an extra paragraph at the end of short, that is updated as new features appear [10:37] I agree, we should test upgrading as well === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@72.160-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:50] it never seems to work in kubuntu compared to ubuntu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:57] seaLne: because we don't have the dist-upgrade tool (yet) [10:58] Riddell: interested in an openwengo package in universe ? [10:58] Riddell: It's not a rush, but I've sent you an email. I do hope you got it ok [10:58] Riddell: uvf exception request can still be done I assume [10:58] Tonio_: openwengo package would be cool [10:58] Riddell: I will try, but that's a MESS to package [10:59] a mix of cmake + scons....... [10:59] okay let's go :-( === Riddell hugs Tonio_ [10:59] Hawkwind: when? what subject? [10:59] Riddell: About 30 minutes ago maybe, about a potential op === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:02] are there bug reports about Dapper->Edgy upgrade in LP already? [11:02] don't think so [11:02] should we make some? [11:02] python-qt/kde is the main culprit, at least of stuff we control [11:03] mhb: can do [11:03] Riddell: what package, then? [11:04] Riddell: did you knew there was a firefox extention version of wengophone ? that's kickass, really....... ! [11:07] Riddell: kubuntu-meta, I guess ... is it ok? [11:08] mhb: good as any [11:08] well, good night to you all, I'm too tired to think ... thanks for every single piece of help and info you've given me [11:10] you're all doing great work === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-98-99.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A6196D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:37] Riddell: Did you get the email ? The first one I sent to you got returned for some reason [11:38] Hawkwind: don't think I did [11:38] I sent the first to jriddell@ubuntu.com and that got returned [11:38] Then I tried a jr@riddell.org or something [11:39] they both go through the same spam filter [11:39] send it to jr @muse.19inch .net and send me the bounce message too if you can === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [11:42] Riddell: Ok. I've sent the bounce message and resent the original message === oofus_ [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.117.26] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.117.26] has joined #kubuntu-devel