[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63856 in firefox (main) "Attempting to save a file causes openoffice to crash - writer and calc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63856
[12:07] <seb128> eigenlambda: why is that bug opened on firefox?
[12:07] <seb128> eigenlambda: seems to be openoffice.org being used according to the description
[12:09] <eigenlambda> thats not my bug...
[12:09] <eigenlambda> lol
[12:10] <eigenlambda> wow.  how to change it to point to the right package
[12:11] <eigenlambda> lol
[12:11] <seb128> eigenlambda: click on the task line from the table
[12:11] <eigenlambda> ya
[12:11] <seb128> ups
[12:11] <eigenlambda> i got it
[12:11] <seb128> bug #63850
[12:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63850 in apt "apt crashes in std::string::compare in debPackagesIndex::FindInCache" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63850
[12:12] <seb128> hum
[12:14] <seb128> looking
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63857 in firefox (main) "zimbra webmail broken in edgy" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63857
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63858 in deskbar-applet (main) "Edgy deskbar crashing on start or on first character entry" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63858
[12:17] <seb128> eigenlambda: looks like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383223
[12:17] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 383223 in apt "apt-get update segfault" [Important,Open] 
[12:18] <eigenlambda> that's a segfault.  mine is a bus error.  but, they look like they're happening in pretty much the same place
[12:18] <seb128> might be same issue
[12:18] <eigenlambda> ya
[12:20] <seb128> eigenlambda: if mvo (who is the maintainer) needs something else he will probably ask on the bug
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63859 in ndiswrapper (main) "Ndiswrapper stops functioning on resume from hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63859
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63860 in human-icon-theme (main) "Wireless monitor icon too long" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63860
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63862 in xorg (main) "wacom entries appear even when not having a tabletpc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63862
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63864 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice only show industrial icons in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63864
[12:49] <Jordan> Hello, ( I am not sure I connected correctly so if you see this please respond )
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63865 in xserver-xorg-driver-mga (main) "screen freeze returning from xscreensaver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63865
[12:50] <Jordan> Thanks :)
[12:51] <robitaille> np
[12:51] <Jordan> How can I submit a bug to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/BugsForExtraPoints ?
[12:53] <pricechild> https://launchpad.net/products/upstart/+bug/63852
[12:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63852 in upstart "Ctl+Alt+Del twice at tty console login gives root access" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:53] <robitaille> Jordan:  it's a wiki page; so just edit the page and add what you want to it
[12:54] <pricechild> never seen anything like that bug :O
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63863 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63863
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63866 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Panasonic hotkeys do not work - cannot adjust display brightness" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63866
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63867 in ubuntu-docs (main) "HOWTOs should be merged into ubuntu-docs, or..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63867
[12:56] <finalbeta> pricechild, yes, I was chocked :p
[12:58] <pricechild> everytime ubugtu reports a new bug i fight the temptation to shout "Scramble!" :)
[01:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63868 in xorg (main) "Radeon 3D doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63868
[01:01] <Jordan> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/59595 should be easily fixable by making vesa default driver instead of ati for ATY,RadeonX1600 cards ( or macbook pro 17' notebooks )
[01:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59595 in xorg "X is unusably distorted when booting from Edgy knot 2 LiveCD on macbook pro" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:01] <Jordan> ( please tell me if that was an apropriate comment :)
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63869 in base-installer (main) "Cannot install grub into root partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63869
[01:09] <robitaille> Hi sfllaw
[01:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63870 in network-manager (main) "network-manager doesn't connect to any networks in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63870
[01:21] <finalbeta> added my own request to the hug day list. Good night :p
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63871 in gedit (main) "No longer gksudo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63871
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63872 in kdebase (main) "Toolbar button for selecting view mode slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63872
[01:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63873 in partman-partitioning (main) "Kubuntu Edgy 6.10 alternate CD: !!! Shreds partition table!!!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63873
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63874 in gnome-terminal (main) "gnome-terminal crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63874
[02:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63875 in usplash (main) "[edgy]  Usplash does not show boot screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63875
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63876 in jpilot (universe) "jpilot in edgy does complete backup on hotsync" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63876
[02:44] <ash211> jordan: your comment on bug 59595 was appropriate
[02:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59595 in xorg "Edgy: MacBook Pro: X is unusably distorted" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59595
[02:45] <ash211> I changed the title a bit too
[02:45] <ash211> it looks like he left.  nevermind
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63877 in bash (main) "letter "d" does not work with some settings in inputrc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63877
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63878 in ubuntu-artwork (main) "gnome-netstatus applet wrong size" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63878
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63879 in apport (main) "everytime I close X-chat apport complains about a crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63879
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63880 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "after update, fglrx fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63880
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63881 in update-manager (main) "Distribution Upgrade always insists on removing xchat." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63881
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63882 in kernel-package (main) "[edgy]  linux-2.6.18 build fails with incorrect version in deprecated 'version.h'" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63882
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63883 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "kernel 2.6.17-10.26 still doesn't boot on toshiba laptop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63883
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63885 in kdebase (main) "blanks screen upon 2-hour timechange" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63885
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63886 in network-manager (main) "[Edgy]  Unable to connect to some access points" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63886
[04:30] <majyk> is it okay to talk about potential bugs in Edgy on this channel?
[04:34] <micahcowan> I think so, if it's not disguised as a support request :D
[04:35] <majyk> I'm started noticing some weirdness with the Gnome network configure applet. It doesn't seem to want to connect to my wireless connection anymore even though the settings are in place. Connecting from the command line works like a charm. It just started doing this today, I had no trouble before.
[04:36] <majyk> I did update to all the latest Edgy packages today, so maybe something changed, I dunno.
[04:37] <majyk> maybe it's not even a bug, but it was working before all these updates today
[04:38] <majyk> this isn't a support request, I can connect manually via command line, just curious if anyone has seen such behavour
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63887 in localepurge (universe) "[UVF Exception]  Please sync localepurge 0.5.6 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63887
[04:40] <Burgundavia> majyk: nope. Please file a bug
[04:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63889 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash while trying to use page, no idea why?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63889
[04:47] <zakame> hi all
[04:50] <zakame> keescook: yo, congrats on the membership! :D
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63890 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu has nearly the same logo as the Microsoft Alumni Network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63890
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63891 in firefox (main) "Crash when closing Firefox Beta 2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63891
[05:05] <bouncy> hi ppl
[05:08] <zakame> yo bouncy
[05:13] <rmjb> Hi, so how can I help in the Hug a Bug day?
[05:16] <bouncy> i'm here for the hug day, hope i can help too!! yay!
[05:25] <FireRabbit> rmjb: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[05:26] <bouncy> i'm just installing edgy beta right now, hope i can help spot some bugs
[05:30] <bouncy> what time do some of you ppl have?
[05:30] <bouncy> it's 11:30am here, maybe it's a bit early for the hug day
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63892 in update-manager (main) "I can't update to Edgy (beta)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63892
[05:31] <rmjb> according to the page hug day is Oct 4th where ever you are
[05:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63893 in amarok (main) "amarok crashes on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63893
[05:57] <rmjb> Hi, I read the bug day page and saw the lists of untriaged and unconfirmed bugs... are we trying to remove duplicates or make sure a bug is properly classified or fix these bugs on bug day? The list is kind of overwhelming
[05:58] <Burgundavia> rmjb: if a bug is marked as a dup, leave the dup in its state
[05:59] <rmjb> sorry, I meant mark the bugs as duplicates... not remove them from the system
[06:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63895 in gnome-system-tools (main) "time-admin, menu items as installed in edgy does not gksu, and so fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63895
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63896 in firefox (main) "Firefox 2.0b2 will not import bookmarks from a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63896
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63897 in speech-tools (main) "source package will not build on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63897
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63899 in xfce-mcs-manager (main) "Missing dependency on libgamin0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63899
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63900 in openssh (main) "Crash Copying archives!!  (edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63900
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63901 in festival (main) "Won't build on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63901
[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63902 in xen-3.0 (universe) "xen-utils-3.0 depends on python-xen3.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63902
[06:44] <bddebian> w00t, go crimsun, go crimsun
[07:42] <Phoenix49> hi there!
[07:42] <Phoenix49> did u talk about evolution MS exchange connection bug ?
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63903 in Ubuntu "Doesn't use correct sound device" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63903
[08:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63904 in spim (multiverse) "xspim se queda congelado" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63904
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning - HAPPY HUG DAY!
[08:05] <dholbach> so let's see what's on the bug day agenda today...
[08:07] <dholbach> ooohhhh, desktop-bugs and forwarding stuff upstream
[08:21] <towsonu2003> hi :)
[08:23] <dholbach> hi towsonu2003 - happy hug day!
[08:23] <towsonu2003> thanks :)
[08:24] <dholbach> hey yaniv - happy hug day!
[08:24] <dholbach> how is it going guys?
[08:25] <towsonu2003> it's okay for me :) going after unassigned packages ;)
[08:25] <dholbach> nice
[08:25] <dholbach> towsonu2003: thanks for working on that
[08:26] <towsonu2003> that's very nice of you, thanks :)
[08:27] <yaniv> thanks, dholbach It's my first one two
[08:27] <yaniv> too*
[08:28] <yaniv> any clues?
[08:28] <dholbach> yaniv: glad you joined in
[08:29] <dholbach> yaniv: did you have a look at  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs ?
[08:29] <towsonu2003> yaniv: I'd say, as a newbie myself, start with the easiest ones (issues most familiar to you) and subscribe to the bugs you tweak to see if you did any mistakes etc. Also, dholbach's wiki link is a gold mine :)
[08:29] <yaniv> some time ago. I'll read again. :-)
[08:30] <dholbach> and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay lists a couple of tasks, if you're unsure where to start
[08:30] <towsonu2003> question: when you use the gui tools to add a font, which package would it be? this is bug # 63861 [will reject it, but wanna put it in a package neverthless)
[08:30] <dholbach> yaniv: towsonu2003 is right... triaging bugs of packages you know well makes it easier for you to test and understand the problem - so that's cool
[08:31] <dholbach> today we generally look at desktop-bugs and try to forward things upstream (links are on UbuntuBugDay), but if you wan to work on something else, just do it :)
[08:31] <dholbach> gui tools to add a font?
[08:31] <dholbach> I don't understand
[08:33] <towsonu2003> of course you don't because I confused fonts with icons hehehe. good thing I asked ;) I wont touch that bug now
[08:33] <nixternal> why is it i am always going to bed when you all kick off a bug day? ;)
[08:34] <towsonu2003> nixternal: lol
[08:34] <dholbach> hey did447 - happy hug day!
[08:34] <dholbach> towsonu2003: the bug is about fonts
[08:35] <dholbach> towsonu2003: and it's probably a nautilus bug
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63905 in xserver-xorg-driver-nv (main) "mouse cursor disappears" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63905
[08:35] <dholbach> towsonu2003: but not a severe one
[08:36] <yaniv> actually, there's a bug I filed some time ago, and it need forwarding/linking to the OO.o bugzilla. but I can't find my hands and feet in there...
[08:36] <towsonu2003> dholbach: yes, I know it's about fonts.. uhm, language issue... I just confused the word font with the word font ehuehe
[08:36] <dholbach> yaniv: if you have a bit of time, you might want to wait for doko_ (in #ubuntu-devel), he knows how and where to forward it
[08:36] <dholbach> towsonu2003: nevermind :)
[08:38] <dholbach> hey grumpymole - Happy Hug Day!
[08:39] <yaniv> okay - I've found a duplicate of bug #44367. Do I just comment about it?
[08:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44367 in openoffice.org "Interface in right-to-left mode has problems" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44367
[08:39] <dholbach> yaniv: if it's a duplicate, add a comment from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses (if you like), and click on "mark as duplicate" on the left upper screen
[08:40] <towsonu2003> could someone set the importance of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/63827 to wishlist (I don't have privilege)
[08:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63827 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Edgy 6.10 alternate CD: design bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:42] <Hobbsee> towsonu2003: done
[08:42] <towsonu2003> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[08:43] <yaniv> now say I can reproduce bug 44367 - should I do anything?
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44367 in openoffice.org "Interface in right-to-left mode has problems" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44367
[08:44] <towsonu2003> yaniv: after making sure that it isn't a duplicate (which is the thing I hate to do), you can mark it as confirmed and add your comments.
[08:45] <towsonu2003> yaniv:for that particualr bug, you can also ask the users (and yourself hehe) if it happens with edgy as well.
[08:45] <towsonu2003> yaniv: if it happens with Dapper but not with Edgy, you can mark it as "Fix Released"
[08:45] <yaniv> Happens with edgy
[08:46] <towsonu2003> yaniv: o yes, I missed the last comment :) if there is no dupe, you can confirm it.
[08:46] <towsonu2003> yaniv: and optionally subscribe to it to monitor the progress -if any-
[08:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63861 in nautilus (main) "Font doesn't install properly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63861
[08:52] <yaniv> towsonu2003: no dupes, I subscribed but I don't think I have privilege to confirm
[08:55] <towsonu2003> yaniv: done :) I thought everyone had the privilege to mark status of bugs? I'm sleepy, so don't mind me :)
[08:56] <yaniv> towsonu2003:thanks
[09:00] <towsonu2003> question: I assign bugs about drivers to linux-source-(uname -r), this is correct behavior right? here's an example: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63807
[09:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63807 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Serial mouse not detected in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:01] <towsonu2003> followup: for drivers like ati nvidia and so on, I assign to linux-modules-nvidia (or whatever it was)
[09:01] <crimsun> towsonu2003: generally, yes. For the latter it would be linux-restricted-modules-2.6.1[57] 
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63906 in usplash (main) "Xserver and Gnome not installing properly on the Think Pag 600x" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63906
[09:09] <towsonu2003> question: does the /var/log/installer/syslog file contain any private information? I will ask the filer of this bug but I wanna be sure it won't have any bad stuff in it (ip addresses, passwords, usernames, names of girl/boyfriends etc) - on my system, this file can only be opened by root -which is why I'm asking
[09:09] <towsonu2003> ps. is it okay to ask this many questions?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> towsonu2003: have a look?
[09:10] <towsonu2003> I forgot to give the bug link again, didn't I? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/63906
[09:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63906 in debian-installer "[Regression]  Xorg not installing properly on the Think Pad 600x" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:12] <dholbach> heya bronson! Happy Hug Day!
[09:13] <bronson> hugs back.  'm not finding any bugs to report in Edgy., alas...
[09:13] <dholbach> hello dous, Lure! :-)
[09:14] <dholbach> bronson: what about triaging bugs? :-)
[09:15] <bronson> I'm pretty busy tonight but I can give a few a look...  Is there an easy bugzilla report?
[09:15] <bronson> (url to a bugzilla report of bugs needing attention)
[09:15] <dholbach> on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay we have a few lists of bugs you could look at
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63907 in evolution (main) "free/busy field in contacts ignored in evolution" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63907
[09:15] <dholbach> and we don't use bugzilla
[09:15] <dholbach> :)
[09:20] <towsonu2003> question: how do you get the info of your touchpad on command line? something similar to lspci?
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63908 in Ubuntu "Can't login into gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63908
[09:22] <bronson> towsonu2003: maybe it's in lshal?
[09:23] <yaniv> what do I do if a bug is fixed in edgy but still open in dapper?
[09:24] <towsonu2003> yaniv: than it's to be marked as Fix Relesed (also you might wanna tell the reporter that unless it is a very severe bug, it will not be fixed in dapper, because dapper only has security support)
[09:25] <towsonu2003> bronson: thanks :)
[09:26] <dholbach> towsonu2003: security + severe bugs
[09:27] <towsonu2003> dholbach: ah this time I didn't forget it: "unless it is a very severe bug, it will not be fixed in dapper" hehehe :P
[09:28] <dholbach> :)
[09:33] <bronson> https://launchpad.net/products/gnome-power/+bug/57872  -- confirmed on my laptop, found and linked to the upstream bug.
[09:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57872 in gnome-power "regression: pressing power button no longer brings up logout dialog" [Unknown,Unknown] 
[09:33] <bronson> Right, Ubugtu.  That's the one.  :)
[09:35] <towsonu2003> someone deserves a hug ;)
[09:35] <yaniv> can anyone confirm bug #63673 for me? I don't have the privilege.
[09:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63673 in xorg "right alt-shift won't switch language anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63673
[09:35] <dholbach> hello HnZeKtO, Gloubiboulga - happy hug day!
[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63909 in synaptic (main) "synaptic icon theme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63909
[09:35] <dholbach> yaniv: you can confirm it: just click on the yellow bar in the middle of the page
[09:36] <dholbach> yaniv: on the source package name
[09:36] <Gloubiboulga> hello dholbach :)
[09:36] <dholbach> ROCK ON :)
[09:36] <yaniv> dholbach:oh, thank you (embraced)
[09:36] <dholbach> :-)
[09:37] <bronson> Thanks.  So... I'm not sure how the power button used to work.  I suppose I could boot my laptop back into Dapper and investigate...
[09:38] <bronson> Seems like the proper way to fix it is for someone to turn a press on the power button into a regular keyboard event.
[09:38] <bronson> Not sure who that someone would be...  gnome-power-manager probably.
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63910 in mysql-admin (universe) "User Administror feature locks the app." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63910
[09:48] <yaniv> I've a question - what does "backport fix to releases" do?
[09:50] <dholbach> yaniv: backport an edgy fix to dapper for example
[09:50] <yaniv> dholbach:it sends a request?
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63911 in vim (main) "vim missing a dependency" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63911
[09:52] <dholbach> yaniv: no, it points out the fact that there's a task open (= work to do)
[09:53] <yaniv> dholbach: sorry, I'm a little slow today - points out to whom?
[09:54] <dholbach> yaniv: in the UI
[09:54] <dholbach> yaniv: for everybody to look at - it's sort of a formal and informative thing
[09:55] <towsonu2003> dholbach: that's very cool! I'd love to abuse that option (as many would as well) [was sarcasm] , is there a safe guard so everyone don't click on "backport this" button and get the devels overwhelmed -if I'm understanding the button correctly-?
[09:55] <yaniv> dholbach: I'll ask differently - what will happen to a bug if I mark it backport fix to dapper?
[09:55] <dholbach> towsonu2003: not many people use it
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63912 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "Module fglrx isn't loaded" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63912
[09:56] <dholbach> yaniv: you will expect somebody to do the work of isolating a fix, testing it and uploading it (if you don't assign the bug to yourself)
[09:56] <yaniv> dholbach: I see. Thank you
[09:56] <dholbach> de rien
[10:00] <dholbach> hey yarddog - happy hug day!
[10:07] <dholbach> hello keyne - happy hug day!
[10:07] <dholbach> how are y'all doing?
[10:08] <towsonu2003> which is not happening
[10:08] <towsonu2003> ;)
[10:08] <keyne> hi!
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63913 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash on popup windows" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63913
[10:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63914 in bluez-utils (main) "libbluetooth.so.1 is missing when running btsco" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63914
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63915 in ubiquity (main) "[Edgy Beta]  "Japan" keyboard layout is actually "U.S. English"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63915
[10:16] <towsonu2003> I've been seeing so many localization bugs so far...
[10:16] <towsonu2003> so far => nowadays
[10:22] <dholbach> heya seb128!
[10:22] <dholbach> happy HUG DAY
[10:22] <seb128> hi dholbach
[10:22] <seb128> to you too!
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63916 in gaim (main) "[2.0Beta3.1]  Crash when clicking "add" in the accounts window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63916
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63917 in bacula (universe) "Queries fail - no such column" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63917
[10:46] <dholbach> hey mvo - happy hug day!
[10:47] <mvo> hey dholbach
[10:47] <dholbach> ;)
[10:53] <seb128> hey mvo
[10:54] <mvo> hey seb128!
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63918 in rss-glx (main) "busyspheres screensaver crashes gdm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63918
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63919 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "bcm43xx causes touchpad instability and system freezes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63919
[10:58] <Hobbsee> hey mvo, dholbach, seb128
[11:00] <mvo> hello Hobbsee!
[11:00] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:05] <seb128> :)
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63920 in ubiquity (main) "Uniquity - the installer crashed at 80%" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63920
[11:05] <towsonu2003> need to leave now.
[11:05] <towsonu2003> good luck everyone
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63921 in console-setup (main) "Need Georgian fonts correction." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63921
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63922 in gftp (main) "Crash showing Bookmarks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63922
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63923 in Ubuntu "[Sync]  Please sync event-execflow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63923
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63924 in Ubuntu "[Sync]  Please sync gtk2-ex-formfactory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63924
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63925 in Ubuntu "[Sync]  Please sync anyevent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63925
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63170 in language-pack-oc-base (main) "Language name error (Occitan)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63170
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63852 in upstart (main) "Ctl+Alt+Del twice at tty console login gives root access" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63852
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63926 in Ubuntu "[Sync]  Please sync event-rpc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63926
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63928 in mono (main) "mono crashes with monodevelop..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63928
[11:33] <crimsun> bug 63573
[11:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63573 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Mute LED doesn't work [HP NX 6120] " [Low,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63573
[11:33] <crimsun> bedtime.
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63929 in openct (universe) "hotplug mode is not working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63929
[11:39] <dholbach> crimsun: sleep tight
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63930 in xfonts-utils (main) "please backport to dapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63930
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63931 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "no acceleration in edgy beta" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63931
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63933 in belpic (universe) "[UVF Exception]  please sync 2.5.9-5 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63933
[12:34] <dholbach> wow 79 people in here - how's the HUG DAY going?
[12:35] <dholbach> hi tepsipakki, ogra, thekorn, xerxas_, wiz, Daemon!
[12:35] <ogra> hey dholbach
[12:35] <ogra> gnome-screensaver is 100% patch free !!
[12:36] <ogra> just doing the last testbuild :)
[12:36] <dholbach> super
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63934 in nautilus (main) "[edgy/gnome2.16.1] Can't create empty file with right click in ~" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63934
[12:42] <xerxas_> hi dholbach  :)
[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63935 in gtk+2.0 (main) "[edgy]  Ctrl+L does not work in Save dialogs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63935
[12:46] <bouncy> HAPPY HUG DAY!!!
[12:47] <dholbach> hey bouncy
[12:47] <dholbach> so how's it going? which kind of bugs are you all looking at?
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63735 in update-manager "Could not calculate the upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63735
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63936 in Ubuntu "Live cd 6.06LTS ver. on Acer 2023WLMi laptop installer crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63936
[12:55] <bouncy> i just got something to say about edgy
[12:55] <bouncy> I absolutely love the new login/out sounds, they are so cool!!! I am going to put them in my dapper
[12:55] <bouncy> the new artwork is also spiffing but I don't know how to put that in dapper :(
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63937 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "The SATA disk doesn't power off while shutdown" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63937
[01:07] <dholbach> hey finalbeta, dabear
[01:07] <dholbach> happy hug day
[01:07] <finalbeta> Happy Hug day ;)
[01:07] <dabear> hey
[01:07] <dabear> happy hug day
[01:08] <dholbach> how's it going?
[01:08] <dabear> but I am not running edgy.. so how can I help then?
[01:08] <finalbeta> My dinner is ready :p
[01:09] <dholbach> dabear: there are still some bugs open about dapper, but generally you could try to look for duplicates or forward bugs upstream (which is one objective today)
[01:09] <dholbach> we have linked some lists of bugs from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[01:09] <dholbach> (and have the general information at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay)
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63938 in Ubuntu "Gateway can not be changed using network-admin in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63938
[01:12] <dabear> is the update-manager -c -d method capable of updating my system now? without breaking all sorts of things..
[01:12] <ajmitch> dholbach!
[01:12] <dholbach> dabear: -c -d?
[01:13] <dabear> -c, --check-dist-upgrades
[01:13] <dabear>                         Check if a new distribution release is available
[01:13] <dabear>   -d, --devel-release   Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is
[01:13] <dabear>                         possible
[01:13] <dholbach> dabear: ah nice
[01:13] <dabear> lol :S
[01:13] <dholbach> dabear: you should probably ask mvo about that
[01:13] <dholbach> nobody will promise that stuff won't break :)
[01:14] <dabear> I thought I asked an expert here, but you didn't even know about that option :p
[01:14] <dholbach> I knew about "-d"
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63939 in beagle (main) "Cannot open the Tomboy notes from the search results" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63939
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63940 in firefox (main) "Fonts are horrible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63940
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63941 in beagle (main) "Opening an evolution email from beagle search opens firefox instead" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63941
[01:16] <ajmitch> more bugs, so many bugs..
[01:17] <ajmitch> the rebuild of the unmet deps finished
[01:17] <dholbach> nice
[01:17] <ajmitch> except my script didn't handle packages with epochs in the version ;)
[01:18] <dholbach> use some more glob.glob() ;-)
[01:19] <mvo> dabear: welll, it should. you may want to wait a bit (some hours) because I plan a new upload with some small fixes soon
[01:19] <ajmitch> dholbach: it's straight bash scripting
[01:19] <dabear> ok, thanks, mvo
[01:19] <ajmitch> the .dsc name doesn't match what's in debian/changelog when an epoch exists :)
[01:20] <tepsipakki> hi dholbach :) this is the first HUG day for me
[01:20] <dholbach> tepsipakki: woah, nice
[01:20] <dholbach> tepsipakki: what kind of bugs are you looking at?
[01:21] <tepsipakki> dholbach: well, the easy ones ;)
[01:21] <dholbach> tepsipakki: and how does it go?
[01:21] <tepsipakki> actually I haven't gotten into them yet
[01:21] <tepsipakki> just got back from lunch
[01:21] <dholbach> ah ok
[01:23] <tepsipakki> what would be a good place to start?
[01:23] <dholbach> generally bugs of apps you know well
[01:23] <dholbach> but on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay we have some lists for today
[01:23] <tepsipakki> ok, I'll check
[01:23] <dabear> mvo, "a bit", how long is that? :p
[01:23] <dholbach> desktop-bugs and bugs-to-be-forwarded are on the plate for today ;)
[01:24] <dholbach> dabear: he said "some hours", didn't he? :)
[01:24] <dabear> yeah, but that may be in the range of 1 to 24 hours or even more :p
[01:28] <tepsipakki> I'll take a peek at gnome-screensaver
[01:29] <mvo> dabear: ~4h maybe
[01:30] <dholbach> tepsipakki: ogra will be SO happy
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63610 in update-manager "Update Manager crashes Xorg when clicking on a particular package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63610
[01:30] <ogra> tepsipakki, absolutely !!!!
[01:31] <tepsipakki> actually I have a upstream fix in g-s which should be added to dapper
[01:31] <tepsipakki> it is in 2.16
[01:31] <tepsipakki> there are no bugs open about it in LP, though
[01:32] <tepsipakki> although #45018 has the same symptoms
[01:33] <tepsipakki> but maybe we'll focus on edgy now
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63945 in Baltix (main) "language-support-en shouldn't depend on all english localization variants on the same time" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63945
[01:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63946 in synaptic (main) "[Edgy]  I can't shrink the sections pane" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63946
[01:36] <ogra> i'm just uploading 2.16.1 .... check if its contained there, else notify me
[01:37] <tepsipakki> ogra: it is already in 2.16.0
[01:37] <tepsipakki> by upstream
[01:37] <ogra> but not in our package ?
[01:37] <ogra> that shouldnt be ...
[01:37] <tepsipakki> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352818
[01:37] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 352818 in dialog "the dialog is not always shown" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] 
[01:38] <ogra> * Reset dialog_up and fading state. May help fix #352818
[01:38] <ogra> gnome-screensaver (2.16.0-0ubuntu1) edgy; urgency=low
[01:38] <ogra> should be in there
[01:38] <tepsipakki> yes
[01:39] <tepsipakki> that would be nice to have in dapper, too
[01:39] <ogra> oh, youre talking about dapper ...
[01:39] <tepsipakki> sorry for confusing you ;)
[01:39] <ogra> np :)
[01:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63947 in rar (multiverse) "rar: realloc(): invalid next size: 0x080ce0f8" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63947
[01:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63948 in mpd (universe) "MPD fails on creating DB" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63948
[01:51] <tepsipakki> damn, I marked malone #2332 as gnome #347426, but the product should've been rhythmbox, not g-s
[01:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2332 in gnome-screensaver "Should pause music on lock screen" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2332
[01:51] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 347426 in general "Pause playback when session is not active" [Enhancement,New]  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347426
[01:51] <tepsipakki> not a biggie, but..
[02:08] <elmargol> dholbach: maybe you know a way to force an application to use a different sound device?
[02:09] <elmargol> It seems that i am the only person on the world who uses more than one sound device :(
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63950 in multisync (universe) "Multisync has no button to send it back to tray" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63950
[02:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63949 in metabar (universe) "Delete metabar source and binary" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63949
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63951 in Ubuntu "[Edgy Beta]  Firefox and spell-checker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63951
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63952 in joe (universe) "bugfixes and feature improvements" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63952
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63954 in Ubuntu "Write permission" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63954
[02:55] <Daemon> hrm, didn't realise it was hug day *goes to do some triaging*
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63955 in firefox (main) "[edgy]  access keys do not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63955
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63956 in xorg (main) "My Radeon9500 runs with 8 Pixelpipelines, instead of 4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63956
[03:07] <tepsipakki> how do I forward bugs to GNOME bugzilla, is it possible to do it from LP?
[03:07] <gnomefreak> out of 30 bugs i looked at so far i only closed 1 :(
[03:08] <Adri2000> tepsipakki: yes it's possible
[03:08] <gnomefreak> make that 2 :)
[03:08] <gnomefreak> tepsipakki: send it upstream
[03:08] <gnomefreak> if thats what your asking
[03:09] <tepsipakki> from "also affects"?
[03:10] <tepsipakki> it wants me to link to a known bug
[03:10] <Adri2000> you can use "also affects upstream" when the bug is already in the gnome bugzilla
[03:11] <tepsipakki> so I'll just file it upstream first
[03:12] <dholbach> elmargol: you can't change the default sound device on gnome-sound-properties -2nd tab
[03:13] <elmargol> dholbach: i need a solution for 1 application not for the desktop
[03:14] <dholbach> elmargol: I see - I'm sorry - I don't know enough about that.
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63957 in mythtv (multiverse) "segmentation fault during mythfrontend startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63957
[03:16] <gnomefreak> !info thunderbird
[03:16] <ubotu> Package thunderbird does not exist in any distro I know
[03:17] <gnomefreak> !info mozilla-thunderbird
[03:17] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.0.7-0ubuntu0.6.06 (dapper), package size 10041 kB, installed size 28648 kB
[03:17] <gnomefreak> cool :)
[03:18] <dabear> !info ubuntu-desktop
[03:18] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop: The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.120 (dapper), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB
[03:18] <dabear> !info gedit
[03:18] <ubotu> gedit: light-weight text editor. In component main, is optional. Version 2.14.4-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 585 kB, installed size 2156 kB
[03:18] <dabear> is every package optional? .s
[03:20] <wiz> !info python
[03:20] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.2-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 125 kB, installed size 532 kB
[03:20] <wiz> !info python-2.5
[03:20] <ubotu> Package python-2.5 does not exist in any distro I know
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63958 in kdebase (main) "File transfer using fish:// or sftp:// with konqueror is very slow when sending file." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63958
[03:22] <gnomefreak> dabear: optional = not installed by default
[03:22] <gnomefreak> although gedit is
[03:23] <dholbach> !info python2.5
[03:23] <ubotu> Package python2.5 does not exist in any distro I know
[03:24] <dholbach> ubotu: seems you don't know edgy ;)
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seems you don't know edgy ;) - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <gnomefreak> !info python edgy
[03:24] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB
[03:24] <gnomefreak> :)
[03:24] <dholbach> python2.5 exists in edgy
[03:25] <gnomefreak> !info python2.5 edgy
[03:25] <ubotu> python2.5: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5). In component main, is optional. Version 2.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 3359 kB, installed size 12208 kB
[03:25] <dholbach> alrighty
 Package python2.5 does not exist in any distro I know            is confusing then ;)
[03:25] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63960 in amarok (main) "Amarok uses 92% of the CPU every minute in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63960
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63961 in compiz (universe) "Compiz.real crashes at start of new line in Gmail" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63961
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63962 in tinyerp-client (universe) "Missing link to tinyerp_icon.png" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63962
[03:31] <dholbach> hello Slant_, yarddog! happy hug day!
[03:32] <Slant_> It's hug day today?
[03:32] <dholbach> yeah!
[03:32] <dholbach> look at the topic :-)
[03:32] <dholbach> how's it going?
[03:32] <Slant_Mobile> Haha, nice.
[03:32] <gnomefreak> almost rejected a brand new bug :( but i caught myself
[03:32] <Slant_Mobile> Hmm. Well, I did a bad thing.
[03:32] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: what happened?
[03:32] <Slant_Mobile> I went through every single bug on network-manager, and triaged it. I'm not a bug squad member or anything...
[03:33] <Slant_Mobile> Marked all the duplicates, asked for questions on the need info ones, linked to upstream bugs, etc.
[03:33] <yarddog> hi dholbach
[03:33] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: you ROCK!
[03:33] <Slant_Mobile> Not my package or anything, but it was huge and impossible to find bugs.
[03:33] <Slant_Mobile> I just hope I didn't step on anyone's toes.
[03:33] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: let me make you honorary member of the bugsquad team
[03:33] <Slant_Mobile> Haha.
[03:34] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: what is your launchpad ID?
[03:34] <dholbach> hi yarddog - how's it going?
[03:34] <Slant_Mobile> scott-ubuntu
[03:34] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: rock on!
[03:34] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: that's great - are you in touch with network-manager upstream people too?
[03:35] <Slant_Mobile> I've followed the list and e-mailed a few times. I also went through the bug list so I knew what was already reported. I'm a student, so I don't really have time (generally) for that.
[03:35] <tepsipakki> theres NM-0.6.4 in debian since mid-August, btw...
[03:35] <Slant_Mobile> tepsipakki: Yeah. :-(
[03:35] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: but it's absolutely great you stepped up and did this
[03:35] <Slant_Mobile> Would solve a few bugs too...
[03:35] <tepsipakki> but it's in main
[03:35] <dholbach> nice bug karma you have already
[03:36] <dholbach> the problem is: we need people who actively take care of it
[03:36] <yarddog> dholbach, im noticing that with the latest upgrades for edgy that the fglrxinfo returns the mesa drivers again, im presuming that the fglrx is not up to date yet the newest kernel, i figure its just wait until the fglrx is released.
[03:36] <tepsipakki> I've closed some duplicates in gnome-screensaver and forwarded a couple to upstream
[03:36] <tepsipakki> yay
[03:36] <dholbach> so if they say: we want the new version, they should also say: "i'm going to take care of its bugs"
[03:36] <dholbach> tepsipakki: I noticed - good work on that!
[03:36] <gnomefreak> dholbach: bug 54171 im leaning towards a feature more so than a bug or atleast meant to do that
[03:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54171 in mozilla-thunderbird "redundant import wizard" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54171
[03:37] <dholbach> yarddog: I'm not quite sure about that, but it might be yes - are there bugs about that?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:37] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: you have a shiny new emblem on your LP page now ;)
[03:37] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: I noticed.
[03:37] <yarddog> dholbach, ive not looked yet since it just happened about 12 hours ago
[03:37] <zul> oh yeah its bug day today..
[03:37] <dholbach> you guys should form a networkmanager team :)
[03:37] <dholbach> yarddog: alrighty
[03:38] <dholbach> gnomefreak: I'd tend to 'low' 'wishlist' bug
[03:38] <Slant_Mobile> NM needs a coordinated hardware and config list. That way it would be easier to track down the broken drivers and hardware.
[03:38] <gnomefreak> dholbach: who does network-manager bugs than?
[03:38] <gnomefreak> dholbach: ty
[03:38] <yarddog> i find that sometimes a bug is fixed after a few hours
[03:38] <dholbach> gnomefreak: but that's somtehing that should be forwarded upstream
[03:38] <Slant_Mobile> I imagine it's fairly close to suspend in that magic sense. :-\
[03:39] <dholbach> gnomefreak: atm, keybuk looked at it every now and then, but nobody was 'dedicated' to do it
[03:39] <dholbach> if a group of people would subscribe to network-manager's bugs, forward them upstream, check cvs fixes, etc - that'd be ber-cool
[03:40] <Slant_Mobile> I am already subscribed. I don't intend on letting it fall behind.
[03:40] <Slant_Mobile> Hopefully when I have some spare time, I can start a list.
[03:40] <Slant_Mobile> Pity the rml patch hasn't been changed in edgy.
[03:40] <Slant_Mobile> That would kill a ton of people's bugs straight away.
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63964 in xmoto (universe) "UVF exception request: xmoto 0.2.2-1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63964
[03:41] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: what patch is that? what would it need to change?
[03:41] <dholbach> hey beerockxs
[03:41] <dholbach> happy hug day!
[03:41] <beerockxs> hey
[03:41] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: One sec, I'll link. What needs to change is, literally, one line of code.
[03:42] <Slant_Mobile> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/42504
[03:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42504 in wpasupplicant "Cannot associate with unencrypted networks using bcm43xx chipset (ndiswrapper driver)" [High,Confirmed] 
[03:42] <gnomefreak> ok taking a bug break bbiaf
[03:42] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019922.html has info on how to get changes in
[03:42] <Slant_Mobile> Basically, there was a workaround in dapper that no longer applied for ndiswrapper.
[03:43] <Slant_Mobile> Oh, neat!
[03:43] <Slant_Mobile> I have a debdiff on my machine.
[03:43] <dholbach> that's cool then
[03:43] <dholbach> if that makes the world happy... we should do it ;-)
[03:44] <Adri2000> dholbach: can you take a look at the UVF exception request Ubugtu just talked about? :p
[03:44] <dholbach> Adri2000: I get mails about them
[03:44] <dholbach> Adri2000: and I'm usually fairly quick to look at mails :)
[03:45] <Adri2000> ok, do you think this request can be accepted?
[03:45] <Slant_Mobile> Ick, I missed matching 42504 and 46136 together.
[03:45] <Slant_Mobile> Are there any nice scripts for combining two dupe trees?
[03:45] <dholbach> Adri2000: i'll look at it later on.
[03:45] <Adri2000> ok, thank you ;)
[03:46] <elmargol> dholbach: I fixed my problem. 6 EUR hardware :D
[03:47] <jib> hello everyone !
[03:47] <elmargol> http://www.gc-plus.de/img/large/sl-8789_1.jpg :D
[03:47] <dholbach> hey jib! happy hug day!
[03:47] <jib> thanks
[03:48] <Hobbsee> dholbach: who's best to poke about https://launchpad.net/bugs/61989 ?
[03:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61989 in dhcp3 "[Edgy dhclient regression]  error: Message too long" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:48] <Bazzi> Slant_Mobile: since you have done the painful work of going through all of its bugs... is there a bug already that network-manager-applet claims there is no network connection but there is one?
[03:48] <jib> I'm afraid that the gconf package could not use a standard prefix :
[03:49] <jib> it's called gconf2, in my edgy eft, and it should be gconf-2.0 as far as I have understood.
[03:50] <jib> Would someone mind to aver it's a standard prefix or gconf-2. is actually the right one ?
[03:50] <dholbach> jib: which problems does that cause?
[03:51] <jib> When I try compile freedesktop compiz, pkg-config seek gconf-2.0, and as he can't find it, because it's named gconf2, it returns only an error.
[03:51] <seb128> $ dlocate gconf-2.0.pc
[03:51] <seb128> libgconf2-dev: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gconf-2.0.pc
[03:51] <seb128> it's name gconf-2.0
[03:51] <seb128> named
[03:51] <seb128> are you sure you have libgconf2-dev installed?
[03:52] <jib> oh, maybe it's the problem root.
[03:53] <jib> It wasn't installed.
[03:53] <jib> I'm trying to compile again.
[03:55] <jib> Thanks, it works now. Maybe the errrors should be more explicit for beginners. Anyway, you likely know what to do. Thanks for your help. I hope I haven't disturb you too much and happy hug day for everyone.
[03:56] <dholbach> happy hug day! :-)
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63966 in softbeep (universe) "Bashism in sb-beep" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63966
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63968 in Ubuntu "System hangs w/ unknown bcm43xx wireless, kernel issue" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63968
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63969 in grub (main) "grub does not respond to ESC" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63969
[03:56] <seb128> jib: building apps is not meant for beginners, that's why you have distributions shipping binary packages :)
[03:56] <elmargol> i think i have bug #57872
[03:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57872 in gnome-power "regression: pressing power button no longer brings up logout dialog" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57872
[03:56] <jib> I'm an beginning expert ;)
[03:56] <dholbach> hey j_ack - happy hug day! :)
[03:57] <elmargol> If I press the power button nothing happens
[03:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63965 in Ubuntu "CD ROM connected to PCI fastrack card can't find boot source." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63965
[03:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63967 in linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6 (universe) "machine does not wake up after suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63967
[03:58] <jib> good bye everybody !
[03:58] <Slant_Mobile> Heh, #63968.
[03:58] <Slant_Mobile> Seen that several times against NM. :-(
[03:59] <Slant_Mobile> The bcm43xx drivers are so immature.
[03:59] <Slant_Mobile> Bazzi: Yes.
[03:59] <Slant_Mobile> Bazzi: There are two main issues that will cause that. One is from suspend/resume/hotplug because of a HAL issue.
[03:59] <Bazzi> Slant_Mobile: and also, that n-m refuses to start with like no message nothing?
[03:59] <Slant_Mobile> Bazzi: The other is if someone still has their /etc/network/interfaces configured.
[04:00] <Bazzi> ah second one fits for me
[04:00] <Slant_Mobile> Strip the settings from /e/n/i for that interface.
[04:00] <Slant_Mobile> Strictly speaking, having it as auto / dhcp for an interface is ok, but there's a subtle bug that occurs.
[04:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63970 in linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6 (universe) "text console garbled from boot up" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63970
[04:01] <Slant_Mobile> That is, networking will configure the interface in DHCP, but then NM will override it in odd conditions.
[04:01] <Bazzi> aaaw :(
[04:01] <Slant_Mobile> So it's better to either go all or nothing.
[04:01] <Bazzi> so much for the adverts
[04:01] <Slant_Mobile> Since, basically, network-admin and NM run in their own worlds and happily tromp on each other.
[04:02] <Bazzi> is it the safest option to just fait for n-m to replace n-a (if ever) or has n-m serious benefits already?
[04:02] <Slant_Mobile> n-m has WPA.
[04:02] <Slant_Mobile> And better (actual) support for suspend / resume.
[04:03] <Slant_Mobile> Basically, if you're roaming at all, n-m makes it not painful.
[04:03] <Slant_Mobile> n-a if you're static.
[04:03] <Bazzi> I'm roaming :)
[04:03] <bddebian> Boo
[04:03] <Slant_Mobile> n-m. Strip your config to just have "auto lo\niface lo inet loopback"
[04:03] <Slant_Mobile> ;-)
[04:04] <Slant_Mobile> That's what I recommend, warts and all. It's magic if your driver is supported.
[04:04] <Slant_Mobile> And, if not, well there's almost certainly a two line patch in the bugs that fixes it. ;-D
[04:04] <Bazzi> I'll switch to n-m once the final edgy version is out, with said bugfixes already :)
[04:04] <Bazzi> hopefully*
[04:04] <elmargol> Can someone test if the power button do work on edgy?
[04:05] <Slant_Mobile> elmargol: Works for me.
[04:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63971 in alsa-driver (main) "No sound on Acer laptops w/ Realtek ALC883 chipset" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63971
[04:05] <Slant_Mobile> elmargol: I use them daily.
[04:05] <elmargol> Slant_Mobile: interesting. it doesn't work for me :(
[04:05] <Bazzi> Slant_Mobile: thanks for the effort :)
[04:05] <elmargol> I did a fresh network install of edgy
[04:05] <Trewas> too bad that n-m is still quite flaky, I was on a couple of trips during summer and in about half the wlans I tried to use n-m worked perfectly, the rest had to be configured directly with iwconfig/dhclient... and another annoyance is that it can't configure static ips
[04:06] <elmargol> I have this issue on 2 machines. 1 laptop and a pc
[04:06] <Slant_Mobile> Trewas: Yeah, there are patches for most of that jaz.
[04:07] <elmargol> Maybe if someone guides me we can debug this?
[04:07] <Slant_Mobile> Trewas: It's more the inconsistency of the wireless interface and that wpa_supplicant is *crazy*
[04:08] <Trewas> Slant_Mobile: I know it's not all n-m's fault :) and it's very useful when it works, which is for me most of the time
[04:08] <matid> Hello everyone
[04:09] <Slant_Mobile> Trewas: Man, I could talk your ear off... I did a wireless networking project last year so I'm too familiar with it all. :-(
[04:09] <Slant_Mobile> Eventually, people are going to realize wpa_supplicant is really crazy and someone will write a better one. Their code is scary...
[04:10] <Slant_Mobile> If you want to find some buffer overflows that will affect all Linux wireless WPA. ;-)
[04:12] <dholbach> hey matid
[04:13] <Bazzi> that ready like "don't even dare to use linux with wpa wlan" :(
[04:14] <Slant_Mobile> Eh, I do all the time.
[04:14] <Slant_Mobile> It's Linux. :-) It'll get fixed eventually.
[04:14] <Bazzi> heh :)
[04:14] <elmargol> yes wpa is a big linux problem :(
[04:15] <Bazzi> even printing got changed to my liking... so i agree
[04:15] <elmargol> I'm very happy to ha an old wifi card almost perfect linux support :D
[04:15] <Bazzi> I've got a centrino 2100 wlan chip
[04:15] <Bazzi> works great
[04:15] <dholbach> I see a 'ubuntu-wifi' team evolving!
[04:15] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/63975
[04:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63975 in network-manager "Please sponsor network-manager upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[04:15] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: There you go. ndiswrapper fix.
[04:16] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: rock and roll
[04:16] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: can you attach the debdiff as a file to the bug?
[04:16] <dholbach> that's easier to read and save :)
[04:16] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: Haha, ok.
[04:16] <Slant_Mobile> One sec.
[04:16] <dholbach> ;-)
[04:16] <Slant_Mobile> I just used the script from the link. ;_)
[04:17] <elmargol> any suggestions for the power button issue?
[04:17] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: Done.
[04:17] <Slant_Mobile> elmargol: Uh, one sec. There is a program that will display your ACPI buttons as they're pressed.
[04:18] <Slant_Mobile> I can't remember it off my head, but... one se.
[04:18] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: thanks for your work on that
[04:18] <dholbach> so what about the 'ubuntu-wifi' team? :)
[04:18] <dholbach> ;-)
[04:19] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: Ha, that would be nice.
[04:19] <Slant_Mobile> Lot a work to be done.
[04:19] <Bazzi> dholbach is all about teams these days ;)
[04:19] <Slant_Mobile> Fix n-a, n-m interaction. Overall fixing of n-a too.
[04:19] <Slant_Mobile> Driver database.
[04:20] <dholbach> Bazzi: absolutely
[04:20] <Slant_Mobile> The ndiswrapper community has at least pushed to get all their stuff together... ndisgtk is really sweet.
[04:20] <dholbach>       https://launchpad.net/people/+newteam
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63974 in synaptic (main) "Warning on a package don't specify the package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63974
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63972 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[edgy]  network-admin does not display access points" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63972
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63973 in mail-notification (universe) "Communication with evolution doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63973
[04:22] <matid> dholbach: Again, thanks for yesterday :)
[04:23] <dholbach> matid: you absolutely deserved it :)
[04:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63976 in mgp (universe) "[edgy]  mgp segfaults on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63976
[04:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63975 in network-manager (main) "Please sponsor network-manager upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63975
[04:26] <matid> Hello seb128
[04:26] <seb128> hi matid!
[04:26] <matid> Thanks you came yesterday
[04:28] <seb128> np
[04:28] <seb128> you got accepted as member?
[04:28] <seb128> I didn't read everything on the chan
[04:28] <matid> Yes, I did :)
[04:29] <matid> Thanks to you, dholbach, sfllaw and gnomefreak ;)
[04:29] <gnomefreak> yw matid and congrats
[04:29] <dholbach> GO desktop-bugs GO! :)
[04:29] <matid> gnomefreak: Thanks
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63977 in kdebase (main) "blogspot.com page crashes konqueror" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63977
[04:30] <matid> dholbach: I'll have to put up a poster like this :)
[04:30] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrrrrr wish people would check links beofre posting them
[04:31] <dholbach> matid: hehe :-)
[04:32] <matid> dholbach: Will have to bug the artwork team for it :)
[04:32] <dholbach> and a t-shirt design!
[04:32] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: How does the review and upload process work for the debdiff now?
[04:32] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: somebody of the ubuntu-main-sponsors will poke at it and do it
[04:33] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: Well, universe at least. Heh.
[04:34] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: universe?
[04:34] <yarddog> any news on #63182?
[04:34] <gnomefreak> bug
[04:34] <gnomefreak> bu g63182
[04:34] <gnomefreak> bug 63182
[04:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63182 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "fglrxinfo returns mesa drivers in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63182
[04:34] <matid> gnomefreak: :)
[04:34] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: Weird, it attached it to universe when it is in main.
[04:34] <Slant_Mobile> Ha.
[04:35] <dholbach> that's wrong then ;-)
[04:35] <gnomefreak> im using kde and numlocks isnt turned on by default like in gnome :(
[04:35] <Slant_Mobile> I bet it's because I e-mailed it off my dapper box.
[04:35] <Slant_Mobile> err.
[04:35] <Slant_Mobile> Not even dapper.
[04:35] <Slant_Mobile> ...
[04:35] <Slant_Mobile> Ok, that's really weird.
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63978 in gaim (main) "in 2.0beta3.1(ubuntu7 and before) I can't set my avatar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63978
[04:35] <elmargol> Slant_Mobile: acpi_listen > button/power PWRF 00000080 00000001
[04:36] <Slant_Mobile> elmargol: So that'll be mapped in through the ACPI scripts.
[04:37] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: Well, I added the main sponsors thing to it.
[04:37] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: I can't remove the universe one.
[04:37] <Slant_Mobile> I'll also do it manually from now on, now that I see what hte requestsponsor script does.
[04:37] <Slant_Mobile> I ran it on a non-edgy box, so it mis-tagged.
[04:37] <sfllaw> matid: Congrats!
[04:37] <matid> sfllaw: Thanks!
[04:38] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: I'll unsubscribe the universe guys
[04:38] <kristog> hello matid :))
[04:38] <matid> Hello kristog :)
[04:38] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: done
[04:39] <Slant_Mobile> Well, this was a great distraction from my stats homework.
[04:39] <Slant_Mobile> I should get that done in the next hour. ;-)
[04:39] <Slant_Mobile> Since, you know, it's due and all. :-D
[04:39] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: thanks a lot for working on it
[04:39] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: I'm subscribed to NM, so I'll keep on top of that.
[04:39] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: I'll also think about the -wifi thing.
[04:39] <dholbach> super!
[04:39] <dholbach> if you want to chat about the team thing, let me know
[04:39] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: There is a bunch that needs to be done, but I'm not an Ubuntu dev so I don't really know what I could do.
[04:39] <matid> By the way, I should get @ubuntu.com alias in few weeks time, shouldn't I?
[04:40] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: let's talk about that too if you have time again :)
[04:40] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: Sure.
[04:40] <dholbach> matid: I was under the impression that that should work instantly.
[04:40] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: What is your e-mail?
[04:40] <matid> dholbach: Oh, I'll try that out
[04:40] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: dholbach@ubuntu.com
[04:40] <Slant_Mobile> I'll throw some ideas on the wiki and link you. Work from there.
[04:41] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: super, thanks.
[04:43] <matid> dholbach: Wooho, it's working!
[04:43] <dholbach> ROCK ON
[04:43] <dholbach> hey jelmer - happy hug day!
[04:44] <jelmer> Thanks, to you to - whatever it means! ;-)
[04:44] <dholbach> it's the HUG DAY today
[04:44] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[04:44] <matid> dholbach: Can I change my Launchpad preferred address to @ubuntu.com ?
[04:44] <dholbach> so it's the two of us and 87 other people in here who are triaging bugs like mad :-)
[04:45] <dholbach> matid: it's <launchpad-id>@ubuntu.com afaik
[04:45] <matid> dholbach: I know, but I'd like to know how launchpad decides where to forward my email comming at matid@ubuntu.com
[04:45] <matid> s/comming/coming/
[04:45] <dholbach> "preferred email address"
[04:46] <matid> Ok, but you have @ubuntu.com set up as your preferred email address, won't it cause a loop?
[04:46] <dholbach> then it takes one your set up before
[04:46] <matid> Or do you actually have an @ubuntu.com mailbox?
[04:46] <dholbach> if you want to know for sure, ask in #launchpad
[04:46] <matid> dholbach: Ok, thanks.
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63981 in xorg (main) "Duplicate config files are sourced by Xsession" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63981
[04:58] <matid> dholbach: Unfortunately, there's no way to make @ubuntu.com alias your preferred email address as it'll disappear as soon as you do that :(
[04:59] <dholbach> ok
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63982 in evolution (main) "Evolution message list is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63982
[05:07] <tepsipakki> dholbach: gnome-screensaver is not set up for accepting translations on LP
[05:07] <tepsipakki> there's a simple bug open which would be trivial to fix
[05:08] <dholbach> tepsipakki: hm? you should ask carlos on #launchpad
[05:08] <tepsipakki> ok, the product-page listed you ;)
[05:08] <ogra> i thought all gnome packages were included by default ?
[05:08] <dholbach> oh, I created the product
[05:08] <ogra> at least ubuntu-desktop deps should be ...
[05:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #63984 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Dell 9300 wont boot linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63984
[05:11] <dabear> okay, *updating to edgy eft*, wish me luck
[05:13] <cipher> as i did the dist-upgrade to edgy (from dapper) the x-server wont start any more
[05:13] <cipher> ... but i wish you luck ^^
[05:13] <dabear> :(
[05:14] <dabear> well, /home is on it's own partition though, so I on't lose anything important anyway
[05:15] <tepsipakki> ogra: it was.. it just didn't work from the product page
[05:16] <cipher> jo - try the dist-upgrade. if it doesnt work, just make a fresh edgy-install
[05:17] <dabear> Kunne ikke forberede oppgraderingen
[05:17] <dabear> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[05:17] <dabear> Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bugreport.
[05:17] <dabear> hm
[05:17] <Hobbsee> cipher: what brand is your laptop?
[05:18] <cipher> Hobbsee: Samsung
[05:18] <cipher> y?
[05:18] <tepsipakki> silly libnss-ldap asks questions during a preseeded install
[05:18] <Hobbsee> ahh ok
[05:19] <cipher> dabear: sounds kinda bad ^^
[05:19] <mhb> hello everyone
[05:21] <dholbach> hi pradeep, cipher, mhb - happy hug day
[05:21] <mhb> I'm sorry to beg for help, but nobody has seen my report for quite a few days and it's really problematic and crucial for l10n
[05:21] <mhb> it's the bug 63325
[05:21] <Ubug2> Malone bug 63325 in kde-systemsettings "systemsettings won't load the desktop_kde-systemsettings.mo translation in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63325
[05:22] <mhb> can someone help me with that? I can provide all sorts of debugging output and the like but it's useless when nobody actually notices
[05:22] <pradeep> thanks dholbach, today is bug hug day ?
[05:22] <dholbach> yeah
[05:22] <mhb> that's why I am here today
[05:22] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[05:24] <cipher> ah ^^ - thx dholbach
[05:24] <dholbach> mhb: could it be that the translations were not updated in the language packs yet?
[05:25] <mhb> dholbach: the .mo files were up to date (straight from Rosetta) when I tested them
[05:25] <mhb> dholbach: and the systemsettings should load the translations from them, but it doesn't
[05:25] <Ubug2> New bug: #63985 in rhythmbox (main) "[edgy]  Rhythmbox 0.9.6 needs this patch to remove songs from iPods" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63985
[05:25] <dholbach> mhb: did you notice that with other kde apps too?
[05:25] <mhb> dholbach: it only loads translations from the .directory files which can't be translated (just the desktop- packages)
[05:26] <mhb> dholbach: this one only, it seems
[05:26] <mhb> dholbach: this app is the most important one which uses the desktop-*.mo files
[05:26] <dholbach> I see
[05:26] <dholbach> you could ask in #kubuntu-devel about that - I'm not that much familiar with the kubuntu world
[05:27] <Hobbsee> dholbach: perhaps you should familiarise yourself :P
[05:27] <mhb> Hobbsee: or maybe you can help me :o) any idea?
[05:27] <Slant_Mobile> Time for class. Paz.
[05:27] <dholbach> Hobbsee: ... in my spare time :-)
[05:27] <dholbach> Slant_Mobile: see you around
[05:27] <Slant_Mobile> dholbach: Definitely.
[05:27] <Hobbsee> dholbach: good.  make some :)
[05:27] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:27] <Hobbsee> mhb: no idea, sorry.  i dont tend to touch some things
[05:28] <zul> you should...
[05:28] <mhb> too bad
[05:28] <Hobbsee> zul: true that.  the trouble with that is that i never actually test any of the lang pack stuff.
[05:28] <mhb> it's a real problem for me as a translator because the translation are correct in Rosetta but totally wrong in the actual app
[05:28] <zul> Hobbsee: ah..
[05:28] <Hobbsee> seeing as australia is an english speaking country :P
[05:29] <Hobbsee> so it's all a bit of black magic to me
[05:29] <zul> Hobbsee: you can translate to aborginal :)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> zul: if i could speak it....
[05:29] <mhb> yeah, that's the problem - I'm the most active Czech Kubuntu user ... should I correct it myself, then? :o))
[05:29] <mhb> I would if I knew how
[05:31] <cipher> btw: on my AMD with nvidia system it is inpossible to boot into X (also no bootsplash). only the "save graphic mode" works for the live-cd. same error on AMD64 and 32-bit
[05:34] <tepsipakki> ok, I didn't quite get below 60 bugs for gnome-screensaver, but it's a start. I have to g home now, maybe I'll continue after kids are asleep and Rome has finished ;)
[05:35] <tepsipakki> which is like 4,5h from now
[05:35] <Ubug2> New bug: #63986 in sysvinit (main) "The initscript mountvirtfs fails to mount /var/run and /var/lock if /var is a seperate partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63986
[05:38] <gnomefreak> tepsipakki: are you timo?
[05:39] <gnomefreak> tepsipakki: ogra already knows about the g-s webcollage he should have an upload for it afaik for bug 61775
[05:39] <Ubug2> Malone bug 61775 in gnome-screensaver "[Edgy]  WebCollage screensaver doesnt work " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61775
[05:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #63987 in Ubuntu "Create Document -> empty Document (Permission Error)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63987
[05:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #63988 in ifupdown (main) "Bonded interfaces donlt seem to work with DHCP" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63988
[05:50] <dholbach> hey motin_, j_ack :)
[05:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #63989 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Orinoco_pci affected by re-enabled prism2 drivers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63989
[05:51] <dholbach> seb128: we should mail to the u-desktop@ list about ubuntulove bugs again :)
[05:51] <seb128> dholbach: yeah :)
[05:52] <dholbach> and mark some more bugs as to-be-forwarded :)
[05:52] <seb128> dholbach: and we should do a desktop team meeting after edgy to set the goals for next cycle
[05:52] <dholbach> the list got pretty empty
[05:52] <dholbach> seb128: we'll have an a11y meeting on friday
[05:52] <dholbach> to coordinate last-minute fixes
[05:52] <seb128> when?
[05:53] <dholbach> 10:00 utc friday
[05:53] <bouncy> can someone help me with vsftpd
[05:53] <bouncy> it simply won't work for me
[05:53] <motin_> bouncy: with reporting a bug in it?
[05:53] <bouncy> er i don't know
[05:53] <bouncy> it won't work
[05:53] <bouncy> maybe it's a bug
[05:53] <motin_> otherwise you should probably go to #ubuntu , #linux or similar
[05:54] <motin_> bouncy: Efnet - #linux-noob and #linuxhelp
[05:54] <motin_> great channels
[05:54] <motin_> but this is not a supportchannel
[05:54] <motin_> if you want to be part of the bug squad or help out triaging bugs your are very welcome though
[05:55] <zul> bouncy: or you can create a support request in launchpad
[05:57] <bouncy> HAPPY HUG DAY ALL!!!
[05:59] <dholbach> happy hug day bouncy!
[06:00] <bouncy> :D
[06:00] <dholbach> how's the bug triage going?
[06:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #63991 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Loading snd_ens1371 fails with many unknown symbols" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63991
[06:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #63992 in gnome-keyring (main) "Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63992
[06:06] <gnomefreak> dholbach: how owuld you pipe the output of a never ending command to a file?
[06:06] <gnomefreak> would*
[06:07] <dholbach> just pipe it there? I don't quite understand?
[06:07] <tepsipakki> which is like 4,5h from now
[06:07] <dholbach> gnomefreak: you want to see the output still on the terminal?
[06:07] <gnomefreak> i was asked to attach/paste the output of a command to a bug and the command never ends
[06:07] <gnomefreak> tepsipakki: i cant give you that command you want
[06:08] <gnomefreak> tepsipakki: last i heard ogra has the fix for it its not reading pn... bug 61775
[06:08] <Ubug2> Malone bug 61775 in gnome-screensaver "[Edgy]  WebCollage screensaver doesnt work " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61775
[06:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #63993 in evolution (main) "Default keyring remains locked when using evolution; makes storing passwords useless" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63993
[06:11] <Ubug2> New bug: #63994 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "regression after latest xorg upgrade in edgy: video mode 1440x960 got missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63994
[06:17] <tepsipakki> gnomefreak: ok, if there's a fix ready then no need to attach the log ;)
[06:19] <gnomefreak> tepsipakki: i asked ogra because he stated he had a fix and would upload after the freeze so im asking him again but hes not around atm. and there is no way that i have found to give you that log as it has no end to it. it ran til 500 + and i killed it
[06:19] <bouncy> hey i just did it!
[06:20] <tepsipakki> gnomefreak: oh, it would've been enough to start the daemon, then lock the screen (which should start the saver) and login, then kill the daemon
[06:26] <Ubug2> New bug: #63995 in xserver-xorg-driver-nv (main) "Garbled screen _sometimes_" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63995
[06:27] <the> hello
[06:27] <the> hello?
[06:27] <the> anybody here?
[06:28] <dholbach> the: absolutely
[06:28] <pricechild> iam
[06:28] <dholbach> happy hug day!
[06:28] <the> very well
[06:28] <the> this is harshith
[06:28] <the> dholbach... u own the bugsquad ryt?
[06:28] <dholbach> I wouldn't go that far. :-)
[06:29] <dholbach> I'm Administrator of the team - yeah, why do you ask?
[06:29] <the> ... i join'd it yesterday
[06:29] <dholbach> oh nice!
[06:29] <the> and im an ultra newbie
[06:29] <the> ty
[06:29] <dholbach> welcome to the BugSquad!
[06:29] <the> u need me?
[06:29] <the> im js learnin' programmin'
[06:29] <the> and im quite good at it ;)
[06:30] <dholbach> the: it's great to have you here
[06:30] <the> *bows*
[06:30] <dholbach> did you have a look at  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs  already?
[06:30] <the> yup
[06:30] <dholbach> nice
[06:30] <the> aye aye, captain
[06:30] <dholbach> today's the HUG DAY, so we added some tasks on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[06:30] <the> got some work for me?
[06:30] <the> oh
[06:30] <cowbud> ah today is a hug day?
[06:30] <dholbach> YEAH
[06:30] <dholbach> happy hug day, cowbud!
[06:31] <cowbud> ohh NOES
[06:31] <cowbud> happy hug day haha
[06:31] <Ubug2> New bug: #63996 in istanbul (universe) "Istanbul starts but hang up when try to stop recording" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63996
[06:31] <Ubug2> New bug: #63997 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Gnome and KDE battery monitor broken in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63997
[06:31] <the> *hugs dholbach*
[06:31] <the> ;)
[06:31] <dholbach> to start off, you should just pick some piece of software you know well
[06:31] <the> software... like?
[06:31] <dholbach> so you're able to reproduce things easily
[06:31] <bSON> hi
[06:31] <dholbach> whater you use everyday :)
[06:31] <the> yo
[06:31] <dholbach> hey bSON - happy hug day! :)
[06:31] <the> im on windoes ME
[06:31] <the> a mistake edition... i call it
[06:32] <the> *no offence meant*
[06:32] <the> is the ubuntu forums down?
[06:32] <bSON> :)
[06:32] <dholbach> you could still ask for more information on bugs, or see if there are duplicates
[06:32] <dholbach> is Chris Wagner in here?
[06:33] <the> ... how do i check if there are duplicates?
[06:33] <the> im ultra-newbie... pardon if tht sounds silly
[06:33] <dholbach> the: you look at a list of bugs like http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bugs
[06:33] <gokusandwich> yes
[06:33] <gokusandwich> hi
[06:33] <the> yo
[06:33] <dholbach> gokusandwich: welcome to the bugsquad!
[06:33] <dholbach> :-)
[06:34] <gokusandwich> am i in the launchpad team, now?
[06:34] <dholbach> the: and after a while you notice bugs which are duplicates of each other
[06:34] <dholbach> gokusandwich: yep
[06:34] <gokusandwich> thanks dholbach
[06:34] <dholbach> gokusandwich: and have a nice funky emblem on your LP page :)
[06:34] <the> i went to the URL u mentioned dhol...
[06:34] <dholbach> gokusandwich: nice bug karma!
[06:35] <the> wt the devil do i do now?
[06:35] <gokusandwich> dholbach: thanks. :)  you want me to add an emblem to LP?
[06:36] <Ubug2> New bug: #63998 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "Eclipse debug mode crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63998
[06:36] <Ubug2> New bug: #63999 in langpack-locales (main) "en_GB should have Monday as first day of the week" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63999
[06:36] <dholbach> gokusandwich: no, if you check http://launchpad.net/people/<your lp id> you will notice a new emblem :)
[06:36] <the> hello....?
[06:36] <dholbach> the: those are all bugs of 'gnome-system-tools' - by concentrating on just one package or packages of a certain sort, that makes it easier to find duplicates
[06:37] <dholbach> the: relax - I'm not that fast at typing - and talking to other people as well
[06:37] <the> ok...
[06:37] <the> sorry...
[06:37] <dholbach> :-)
[06:37] <dholbach> not to worry
[06:37] <the> cn u explain how do i exactly do it?
[06:37] <the> please..
[06:37] <kristog> you agree with me that this is not a bug http://launchpad.net/bugs/63997
[06:37] <Ubug2> Malone bug 63997 in gnome-power-manager "Gnome and KDE battery monitor broken in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[06:38] <kristog> when he talk about the icon status at last.
[06:38] <dholbach> the: you have to check and read bugs
[06:38] <the> and hw do i report duplicates?
[06:38] <dholbach> kristog: yes :)
[06:38] <gokusandwich> dholbach: ah - okay, a nice new emblem; neat!
[06:38] <dholbach> the: if you click on a bug, you will notice the option on the left upper side
[06:39] <the> pray continue...
[06:40] <the> well thx for helpin' an idiot ;)
[06:40] <dholbach> come on, it's not that bad :)
[06:41] <the> cheez... im nt a idiot reli
[06:42] <cowbud> I am still hoping that they fix the issue with launchpad that being no distro specific stuff that is extremely annoying!!
[06:43] <cowbud> or is it just me?
[06:43] <dholbach> cowbud: what do you mean?
[06:43] <cowbud> dholbach: if I want to look at just edgy bugs there is no real way..
[06:44] <dholbach> we try to make sure that all the bugs that are not marked as dapper/breezy/etc bugs are valid in edgy
[06:44] <the> au revoir men
[06:44] <the> i got to go
[06:44] <the> and thx again dol
[06:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #64000 in amarok (main) "Annoying habit of skipping through songlist rapidly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64000
[06:55] <Ubug2> New bug: #64001 in sbuild (universe) "[UVF exception request]  sbuild 0.50 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64001
[07:00] <Ubug2> New bug: #64002 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crached" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64002
[07:00] <Ubug2> New bug: #64003 in xorg (main) "font selection broken in Emacs and other things" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64003
[07:20] <slytherin> Can anyone tell me to whom should a bug related bluetooth be assigned? It is a regression actually.
[07:21] <kristog> slytherin: do you think it's a kernel problem
[07:22] <kristog> an app problem..
[07:22] <kristog> or?
[07:22] <slytherin> kristog: bluez-utils problem. bug 56651
[07:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56651 in bluez-utils "Missing passkey-agent binary" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/56651
[07:24] <kristog> slytherin: i guess we need to sync it
[07:24] <slytherin> kristog: I am talking on two channels simulteneously. dholbach is quite busy actually. Just let me know whom should it be assinged.
[07:24] <kristog> dholbach: somone should sync it.
[07:24] <kristog> ops slytherin
[07:25] <slytherin> kristog: Also bug 59222 depends on it.
[07:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59222 in bluez-utils "Computer isn't discoverable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/59222
[07:25] <kristog> slytherin: i don't know if bluez-utils is in main or in universe
[07:25] <dholbach> main
[07:25] <slytherin> kristog: It is in main. But I wasn't sure of ubuntu desktop is responsible for it.
[07:25] <kristog> slytherin: ok, a ubuntu-core-dev should sync it with debian
[07:26] <kristog> i could preapre a diff..
[07:26] <kristog> dholbach: can i do it?
[07:26] <dholbach> sure
[07:27] <dholbach> you mean a merge of the two packages?
[07:27] <kristog> yes
[07:27] <dholbach> yeah
[07:27] <dholbach> that'd be cool
[07:28] <kristog> for main/ stuff i should ask to the release-manager for an upload right?
[07:28] <dholbach> ubuntu-release is the team, yes
[07:28] <kristog> yes, sorry. :)
[07:28] <dholbach> no problem :)
[07:30] <slytherin> kristog: dholbach: FYI. My cohoba/telepathy problem (MSN account) got solved after a PC restart. Weird. Once this bluetooth thing is fixed, I will also test SMS connection from cohoba.
[07:30] <dholbach> super - thanks for testing it and working on the bluetooth thing
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64005 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic crashes when locking version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64005
[07:30] <kristog> slytherin: thank you :)
[07:33] <slytherin> kristog: Are there any guidelines for bug triaging?
[07:33] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs might be a good start
[07:34] <kristog> dholbach: you are fast
[07:34] <dholbach> ;-)
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64006 in glibc (main) "crashes "locale" "gtk-applets"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64006
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64008 in Ubuntu "video in mplayer witch work's fine in breezy freezes in dapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64008
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64009 in metacity (main) "Metacity crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64009
[07:51] <Adrachin> .
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64011 in scim-m17n (universe) "Scim and m17n" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64011
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64012 in update-manager (main) "Can't update edgy..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64012
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64013 in openoffice.org (main) "edgy: ooffice crashing x" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64013
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64014 in gcc (main) "[ia64]  libgcc1: undefined reference to `_Unwind_GetIPInfo'" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64014
[08:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64016 in bluefish (universe) "Bluefish crashes when saving document" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64016
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63194 in update-manager "Errors upgrading from dapper to edgy beta 1 on linux* packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63194
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64019 in Ubuntu "Touchpad stopped working after update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64019
[08:46] <gnomefreak> mvo: is the update-manager not grabbing depends? it seems everyone having the biggest issues dont have ubuntu-desktop packages installed.(or k,xubuntu-desktop)
[08:47] <mvo> gnomefreak: update-manager should be able to auto-detect missing meta-packages
[08:47] <mvo> gnomefreak: [ubuntu-desktop] 
[08:47] <mvo> KeyDependencies=gdm, gnome-panel, ubuntu-artwork
[08:47] <mvo> [kubuntu-desktop] 
[08:47] <mvo> KeyDependencies=kdm, kicker, kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[08:47] <gnomefreak> the one error i see over and over (even people that didnt file a bug) is the missing ubuntu-desktop error
[08:47] <mvo> etc
[08:47] <mvo> hm
[08:48] <mvo> gnomefreak: can you please point me to one of those reports?
[08:48] <gnomefreak> k
[08:49] <mvo> gnomefreak: I haven't seen a report myself were the missing -desktop package was the problem, but we get a awful lot of bugreports :) I may just have missed it
[08:50] <gnomefreak> m	give me a min ill ping you when i find it
[08:51] <mvo> gnomefreak: sure, I will be here for at least another 30min :)
[08:51] <gnomefreak> k
[08:54] <gnomefreak> mvo: something like this https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/61006  "ERROR:root:failed to mark 'ubuntu-desktop' for install"
[08:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61006 in update-manager "Could not calculate the upgrade" [Undecided,Needs info] 
[09:00] <mvo> gnomefreak: thanks! I commted on the bug. this looks very much like another duplicate of bug #58424
[09:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58424 in update-manager "Can't calculate the upgrade with unofficial mesa/compiz packages " [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58424
[09:00] <mvo> gnomefreak: we got a gazillion of those :/
[09:01] <mvo> gnomefreak: the trouble is that the error "can't install ubuntu-desktop" really comes from the edgy repository. it means the upgrader is not able to install ubuntu-desktop on the edgy system. this is a savety check to avoid installing half-broken systems
[09:01] <mvo> unfortunately it means that people with 3rd party packages may not be able to upgrade unless they downgrade/remove the packages that cause the trouble
[09:01] <FireRabbit> whats the policy about 3rd party packages fucking stuff up?
[09:01] <FireRabbit> not-our-problem ?
[09:02] <mvo> FireRabbit: sort of. in general yes, but I think we should try to help the users as good as we can
[09:02] <mvo> especially for #58424 I would really like to find a way to fix this automatically
[09:03] <mvo> because apparently half of the dapper users use compiz from that repository :)
[09:04] <FireRabbit> its true =)
[09:04] <gnomefreak> bug 58424
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58424 in update-manager "Can't calculate the upgrade with unofficial mesa/compiz packages " [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58424
[09:05] <FireRabbit> is there a command one can run that will list / remove all packages that are no longer available in any known apt repositories?
[09:06] <mvo> FireRabbit: you can look at the "local and obsolete" list in synaptic
[09:06] <mvo> HUG DAY!
[09:06] <FireRabbit> woo
[09:07] <FireRabbit> mvo: oh cool! i hadn't seen this ... if you have a package installed, and there is an OLDER version available in apt, will it show up in this list
[09:07] <FireRabbit> ?
[09:08] <mvo> in theory it should, not 100% sure though
[09:08] <FireRabbit> i had 286 things in that list.. incredible.
[09:09] <mvo> woah
[09:09] <mvo> how did you manage that :) ?
[09:09] <FireRabbit> haha, this system has been around since warty iirc, i've managed a lot.
[09:11] <mvo> *cough*
[09:12] <kristog> mvo: if a package in main is older than the one in debian (We are talking about bluez-utils)
[09:13] <kristog> do you think release-manager will accept it?
[09:13] <FireRabbit> synaptic is having trouble marking all these for removal, it's been sitting there for a while
[09:13] <mvo> FireRabbit: yeah, I need to do some performance improvments for this (and for the listview)
[09:14] <FireRabbit> hmm weird, i marked them all for remove, and it wants to remove stuff like gdm, gksu, gnome-panel, etc..
[09:15] <FireRabbit> i guess ill have to do this one at a time or so =/
[09:15] <gnomefreak> iw ish people wouldnt suggest --force-all in bugs :(
[09:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64021 in cupsys (main) "After dist-upgrade, cups ipp backend fails with status 22" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64021
[09:18] <FireRabbit> it would be cool if the "additional changes are required" dialog would explain why each additional package needs to be added/removed
[09:19] <mvo> FireRabbit: yeah, that would be a cool addition
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64022 in firebird2 (universe) "difference between firebird2 classic and super utils is unclear" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64022
[09:29] <FireRabbit> haha "276 packages will be removed, 1856 MB of extra space will be freed"
[09:29] <FireRabbit> nuts
[09:29] <mvo> FireRabbit: that new automaitc removal feature should make all this easier
[09:29] <FireRabbit> yeah
[09:29] <gnomefreak> bug 58596
[09:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58596 in synaptic ""mark for upgrade" behaving inconsistent" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58596
[09:30] <FireRabbit> speaking of that, do you know how to remove something from the autoremove list? it has a few things in there that i want
[09:30] <gnomefreak> mvo: what do you nee don that one if anything?
[09:30] <gnomefreak> FireRabbit: dont run autoremove is the only thing i found you can do
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64023 in Ubuntu "The system crashes after I login, switch users, login, and switch back" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64023
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64024 in oprofile (universe) "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64024
[09:30] <FireRabbit> gnomefreak: well, it bugs you about it any time you use apt-get, so its rather annoying
[09:31] <gnomefreak> i know :(
[09:32] <gnomefreak> the code would have to give a limit i would think as there is no config for autoremove that i am aware of
[09:32] <FireRabbit> theres no documentation either :)
[09:32] <mvo> a man-page addition for this is in my bzr tree (for autoremove)
[09:32] <gnomefreak> isnt it great :) one less thing we have to worry about :). i think its build into the new apt and it would have to be adjusted in apt
[09:33] <FireRabbit> mvo: ah, awesome
[09:34] <FireRabbit> does it mention how to remove things from the autoremove list? :)
[09:34] <gnomefreak> mvo: is ther ea autoremove --help?
[09:34] <gnomefreak> s/ther ea/there a
[09:36] <mvo> just a man-page entry
[09:37] <gnomefreak> k
[09:40] <yarddog> is anyone having difficulty with fglrx on this latest update, xorg 7.1.1 is installed but fglrx is 7.1.0?
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64025 in gnomebaker (universe) "Couldn't make iso file from gnomebaker: unable to get excusive access to drive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64025
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64027 in gnome-applets (main) "Multiload sometimes has zero height" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64027
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64028 in linda (main) "Fix "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'groupdict'" exception" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64028
[09:50] <FireRabbit> can someone check the "Filters" dialog in synaptic, to see if the section tab has an empty list or not? im not seeing anything in there
[09:52] <matid> FireRabbit: It's not empty here
[09:53] <matid> FireRabbit: http://matid.net/files/filters.png
[09:53] <FireRabbit> the section tab?
[09:55] <matid> FireRabbit: Section tag is empty
[09:55] <FireRabbit> thats a bug right?
[09:56] <matid> FireRabbit: Yes, I think so.
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64030 in xine-ui (universe) "Empty tooltip when hovering over volume controls" [Low,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64030
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64031 in elinks (main) "javascript support is disabled." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64031
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64032 in rpmstrap (universe) "rpmstrap using /bin/sh when it should use /bin/bash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64032
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64033 in Ubuntu "T43 sometimes fails to resume from suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64033
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64034 in gdm (main) "Typo when using automatic login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64034
[10:13] <[Pitcher] > hi all, new server of support to ubuntu /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668 ;)
[10:13] <[Pitcher] > hi all, new server of support to ubuntu /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668 ;)
[10:13] <[Pitcher] > hi all, new server of support to ubuntu /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668 ;)
[10:22] <FireRabbit> damn spammers
[10:23] <_ion> That spambot probably spammed most #ubuntu* channels.
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64035 in gnustep-base (universe) "[UVF Exception]  Sync gnustep-base 1.13.0-3 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64035
[10:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64037 in totem (main) "totem-xine crashes on quicktime" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64037
[10:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64036 in gnustep-gui (universe) "[UVF Exception]  Sync gnustep-gui 0.11.0-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64036
[10:43] <Lure> :q
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64038 in Ubuntu "Having troublewith Samba install fails in last moments of installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64038
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64039 in python2.5 (main) "Edgy python upgrade errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64039
[11:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64040 in usplash (main) "Should show information about boot (i.e. text)." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64040
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64044 in Ubuntu "Usplash problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64044
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64041 in ubiquity (main) "Installer (6.10) crashes during "os-probes" on HD w/ OpenBSD partition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64041
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64042 in Ubuntu "Error message at startup - usplash: No usable theme found for 640x480, screen init failed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64042
[11:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64043 in kdebase (main) "Wallpapers in "Most Downloads" and "Latest" tabs does not preview or install " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64043
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64045 in Ubuntu "Blank screen after Usplash when booting 2.6.17-10 kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64045
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64046 in gnome-cups-manager (main) "Konica Minolta is named twice in the manufacturer menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64046
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64047 in amarok (main) "Can't install amaroK though Synaptic in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64047
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64048 in Ubuntu "LiveCD doesn't boot on Averatec 2460 Intel Core Duo, RTL8139 NIC" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64048
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64049 in Ubuntu "upgrade from breezy to edgy won't restart X" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64049
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64050 in pike-crypto-build (multiverse) "Remove pike-crypto-build from archive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64050
[11:53] <bronson> Made some progress on https://launchpad.net/products/gnome-power/+bug/57872 last night...
[11:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57872 in gnome-power "regression: pressing power button no longer brings up logout dialog" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] 
[11:53] <bronson> I'm hoping someone can suggest something further to try since I'm out of ideas...  I'm not familiar enough with gnome-session and signals to understand why the first push would fail and all others succeed.
[11:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #64051 in wifi-radar (universe) "wifi-radar daemon (-d) ends " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64051