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[03:12] <tritium> All kernels beginning with 2.6.17-8 break my display completely when gdm loads.  Should I file a bug against 2.6.17-8, or the current version, or what?
[03:16] <gnomefreak> tritium: we are on -10
[03:16] <tritium> gnomefreak: I know
[03:17] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[03:17] <zul> linux-source-2.6.17
[03:17] <tritium> Nothing beyond -7 works for me
[03:17] <tritium> zul: ah, but of course.  Thanks
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[04:08] <BenC> tritium: have you tried without splash loading?
[04:09] <BenC> tritium: What exactly is broken about your display?
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[04:10] <tritium> BenC: yes, I have.  I've also booted in single-user mode, and stepped through init scripts in runlevel 2.  Screen goes completely blank when gdm starts.
[04:11] <tritium> That includes the console.
[04:11] <BenC> is the system still alive, or does it lock up?
[04:11] <BenC> can it be pinged?
[04:11] <tritium> Still alive
[04:12] <tritium> What kernel is on the beta install image?  Installer fails as well, for the same reason.
[04:13] <BenC> latest kernel
[04:13] <BenC> try using vga, vesa or fbdev for your xorg driver
[04:13] <BenC> what video card are you using?
[04:13] <tritium> hmm, okay.  i810
[04:14] <BenC> which chipset?
[04:14] <BenC> 945, 965?
[04:14] <tritium> It's a Canonical-supplied Toshiba Tecra A2 with Intel 855GM graphics.
[04:15] <BenC> hmm
[04:16] <BenC> ok, first see if some alternate video driver works
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[04:16] <mkrufky> hello
[04:16] <tritium> I will try other drivers, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log files, and ssh into laptop and watch what happens when entering runlevel 2
[04:16] <BenC> second, if you can ssh into when the lockup happens, get the dmesg, lspci -vv, lspci -vvn and /var/log/Xorg.0.log output
[04:16] <BenC> tritium: great, thanks
[04:16] <BenC> mkrufky: yo
[04:16] <tritium> BenC: thanks for your help.  I appreciate it.
[04:17] <mkrufky> BenC: is the ov511 you just added to ubuntu/media a newer version of the ov511 in drivers/media/video?
[04:17] <mkrufky> (just curious)
[04:18] <BenC> mkrufky: It's got the decompressors in it that the stock kernel one doesn't
[04:18] <mkrufky> ah, ok
[04:18] <mkrufky> do u know if there's any reason that never got to the stock kernel?
[04:20] <BenC> technically the decompressor should be linux-restricted-modules, but it's a matter of "no one has complained yet" :)
[04:21] <BenC> not sure of the exact details, but it's not something that can go in the main kernel
[04:21] <BenC> I wish the main kernel had left the decompressor hooks in, so I wouldn't have to include the whole driver
[04:21] <mkrufky> ok, now that i'm looking at it, i think this wouldnt normally be in the main kernel because they would say it belongs in userland
[04:22] <mkrufky> ya, i know what you mean...
[04:22] <mkrufky> why dont you just patch the hooks back in, for the ubuntu kernel?
[04:22] <mkrufky> then it would probably be easier to keep it up to date
[04:23] <BenC> not really, because the hooks are pretty invasive
[04:23] <BenC> mkrufky: any comments on the new ubuntu/* driver sub directory?
[04:24] <BenC> I'm hoping it makes things easier to maintain
[04:24] <mkrufky> i took a look and only say ov511 inside
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[04:24] <mkrufky> oh, oops
[04:24] <mkrufky> hehe i was being media-centric ;-)
[04:25] <BenC> it's pretty loaded :)
[04:25] <mkrufky> i like the idea
[04:25] <BenC> I just started on the media drivers
[04:25] <mkrufky> i think you've also got the hollywood/dxr3 driver in the main tree
[04:26] <mkrufky> what else is planned ?
[04:26] <BenC> I've got a list from edgy
[04:26] <BenC> there's like 40 more drivers
[04:26] <mkrufky> hmm
[04:27] <mkrufky> 40 all media drivers?
[04:27] <BenC> acpi stuff, misdn, more media drivers, some input drivers, mmc, couple scsi, bluetooth stuff...
[04:27] <BenC> more net drivers
[04:28] <BenC> no, not all media, I only have like 6 more of those
[04:28] <mkrufky> ah, ok ... i thought you meant 40 media drivers.... that would be a surprise to know there's that many out of thre
[04:28] <mkrufky> s/thre/tree
[04:29] <BenC> the debian/changelog is going to be autogenerated using git-log | debian/bin/git-ubuntu-log too
[04:29] <BenC> debian/rules printchanges | less
[04:29] <mkrufky> cool
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[04:38] <zul> ubuntu/misc is weird
[04:57] <BenC> how so?
[05:22] <mkrufky> goodnight
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[06:03] <zul> BenC: well things like xen touch alot of files for one
[06:05] <BenC> zul: can't imagine it would touch anything in ubuntu/*
[06:06] <fabbione> hey BenC 
[06:06] <fabbione> hey zul
[06:06] <BenC> and the fact that ubuntu/* means I'm touching less in the main kernel should mean xen will be easier
[06:06] <zul> true but i thought the ubuntu/ directory is for external drivers
[06:06] <BenC> fabbione: yo
[06:06] <zul> hey fabbione 
[06:06] <BenC> zul: it is, but xen is an exception...it's not a driver
[06:06] <zul> ah ok
[06:07] <zul> gotcha
[06:07] <fabbione> BenC: the new ati driver i uploaded yesterday fixes switching to vt on pb.
[06:07] <fabbione> no more hard locks
[06:07] <fabbione> you really want to update it
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[06:08] <BenC> ati driver in the kernel?
[06:08] <fabbione> X
[06:08] <fabbione> the free driver
[06:11] <BenC> ok
[06:12] <zul> night..
[06:12] <fabbione> night zul
[06:35] <jldugger> reguarding the error tritium brought up earlier, i belive it's related to #61979
[06:36] <jldugger> basically, toshiba laptops fail to work if they need acpi for video.
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[01:00] <infinity> zul: You have a funny way of "fixing FTBFS" bugs. :)  xen-source is still FTBFS.
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[01:01] <porkpie> Hi guy's is there a doc on how to create a custom kernel ....I want to get this Dell 1950 working with the 6.0.6.1 server build
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[03:02] <BenC> porkpie: the short answer: fakeroot debian/rules flavours=server
[03:03] <zul> hey
[03:04] <BenC> yo
[03:04] <zul> how is it going?
[03:05] <BenC> pretty good
[03:07] <zul> good good
[03:07] <BenC> infinity: ping
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[03:08] <zul> BenC: did you have a look at those patches i sent yet?
[03:09] <tfheen> BenC: you have the few remaining kernel bugs targetted for 6.10 under control, right?  So we'll have an upload today or tomorrow?
[03:10] <infinity> BenC: Yo.
[03:10] <BenC> tfheen: Just uploaded this second
[03:10] <tfheen> BenC: excellent :-)
[03:11] <tfheen> let's hope it works well and we won't need more uploads, then
[03:11] <BenC> infinity: Are you going to handle the initramfs-tools fix to include the jmicron.ko module (so the cd's have it) or do you want me to?
[03:11] <infinity> BenC: I can do it after I mangle LRM a bit, or you can do it if you're in the mood.  I'm very not picky.
[03:11] <BenC> tfheen: Well, the FTBFS on ppc is fixed, and the few remaining issues that I wanted for release are included as well
[03:12] <BenC> infinity: With the kernel upload done, I have time, so I'll tackle it
[03:12] <infinity> Mmkay.
[03:12] <tfheen> BenC: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/43531 should probably be against 2.6.17 since it's targetted for 6.10?
[03:14] <BenC> infinity: I can just add it to the ide) under auto_add_modules, right?
[03:14] <BenC> tfheen: Interesting, yeah, it should
[03:14] <BenC> I'm not so sure that one will make it in
[03:14] <BenC> who changed the target to 6.10?
[03:15] <tfheen> unsure; LP doesn't display that information clearly
[03:15] <BenC> Last activity was my Matt on Jun 6
[03:15] <infinity> BenC: Assuming it's an IDE driver, sure. :)
[03:15] <infinity> BenC: Keep the list alphabetical, for the sake of my sanity.
[03:15] <BenC> tfheen: I'm going to remove it from ubuntu-6.10 target
[03:16] <tfheen> BenC: last activity was from Matt on Sept 12th where he said "remember this is targetted for 6.10"
[03:16] <BenC> infinity: muh hah hah...I'll add it in a random spot, and in escaped ascii!!
[03:16] <infinity> BenC: I love you too.
[03:17] <BenC> tfheen: weird, I don't see that one
[03:17] <tfheen> BenC: uh, you don't see it on the URL I mentioned above?
[03:17] <tfheen> Re: Kernel isn't very useful without a boot loader, but doesn't depend on one from Matt Zimmerman at 2006-09-12 00:54:50 UTC
[03:17] <BenC> tfheen: No, I didn' see it in the activity log, but I guess that isn't for comments
[03:18] <tfheen> oh, he targetted it in June
[03:19] <tfheen> if you could discuss dropping it for 6.10 with mdz, I'd appreciate.  I don't care deeply either way.
[03:19] <BenC> tfheen: I'll try to get it done, but it's going to require a kernel upload, and uploading every boot loader
[03:22] <tfheen> BenC: why isn't it enough to make a no-bootloader package and making the kernel depend on it or grub or lilo or yaboot or ... (as appropriate for platforms, naturally)?
[03:23] <BenC> tfheen: The idea was for every boot loaded to provide "boot-loader", so the kernel could just depend on "boot-loader"
[03:23] <tfheen> oh, ok.
[03:23] <tfheen> anyway, if you can get it done, great, if not, please talk to mdz about it.
[03:23] <BenC> ok
[03:23] <tfheen> and if he doesn't allow you to drop it, tell me so we can find out what we should do.
[03:24] <tfheen> thanks :-)
[03:24] <BenC> tfheen: do you have teh bug # off hand for the jmicron ide module?
[03:24] <tfheen> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/63085
[03:24] <BenC> thanks
[03:24] <tfheen> seems to be the one
[03:25] <BenC> lp's searching sucks
[03:25] <BenC> I search for jmicron, and it can't find jmicron.ko
[03:25] <tfheen> yeah. :-/
[03:25] <tfheen> I just found it because it's targetted for 6.10
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[03:29] <BenC> infinity: How often do you go through the modules to update initramfs-tools auto lists?
[03:30] <infinity> BenC: Once or twice per release cycle.  ie: Not often.
[03:31] <infinity> BenC: Feel free to do so yourself whenever you like.  It's kernel-related, after all, and you have a better idea of what drivers you ship than I do. :)
[03:32] <BenC> shows how much I know about initramfs-tools...I figured it pulled drivers/ide/**.ko
[03:33] <BenC> infinity: for edgy+1 it needs a makeover...since there's not a drivers/ata/ directory for all of sata and libata based pata, and we are switching a few drivers over to that
[03:34] <BenC> s/not/now/
[03:34] <BenC> no one's complained much about the livecd not having drivers, so I assume we are ok for edgy
[03:36] <infinity> BenC: When Jeff first wrote it, he automated the driver listing, and apparently that ran into some snags, so he reverted to static lists.
[03:36] <infinity> BenC: I've not examined automating it due to not wanting to repeat the mistakes of those more clever who have gone before me. :)
[03:37] <BenC> infinity: hmm...sounds like something not to be messed with
[03:43] <BenC> infinity: If you're doing lrm, are you handling the ppc64 ftbfs too?
[03:44] <BenC> intinify: basically, just disable madwifi on the powerpc64-smp flavour
[03:47] <infinity> Yeah, that's what I was uploading for, just getting some other stuff at the same time.
[03:49] <BenC> infinity: Any ideas on bug #60938?
[03:50] <BenC> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17/+bug/60938
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[03:56] <hub> hi
[03:57] <hub> I just reported a few serious bugs in the kernel in Edgy
[03:57] <hub> total regression from dapper
[03:57] <infinity> BenC: Curious.
[03:57] <BenC> hub: bug numbers?
[03:58] <hub> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6/+bug/63970
[03:59] <hub> https://launchpad.net/bugs/63967
[03:59] <hub> https://launchpad.net/bugs/63969
[03:59] <hub> one is actually reported to grub
[04:00] <infinity> BenC: I have no idea how that could happen, off-hand.
[04:00] <BenC> infinity: Odd that it's somewhat random
[04:00] <infinity> All good bugs are. :/
[04:06] <BenC> infinity: "Support for binding and unbinding console drivers"
[04:06] <BenC> that's in the next kernel
[04:06] <BenC> so you can unload vesafb and load i810fb, for example
[04:06] <infinity> That sounds like a world of pain.
[04:06] <BenC> or unload vga16fb and go back to reular console
[04:06] <infinity> If it works, though, woohoo.
[04:07] <BenC> it's not labeled experimental, so here's hoping for honest documentation
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[04:22] <tonfa> are they known problem for laptop not rebooting (shutting down instead)
[04:22] <tonfa> i think it used to work
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[04:42] <Keybuk> BenC: ping
[04:43] <zul> stupid firmware...infinity ill upload a fix tonight, and i know it works
[04:43] <infinity> zul: While you're at it, can you do some package renaming?
[04:44] <zul> sure...what do you want?
[04:44] <infinity> zul: xen-headers-2.6.17 should be xen-headers-2.6.17-$(abinum)
[04:44] <Keybuk> o cdrom-modules-2.6.17-10-generic-di linux-image-kdump  {linux-source-2.6.17}
[04:44] <Keybuk> why are those there?
[04:44] <zul> infinity: ok ill fix that
[04:44] <infinity> zul: And xen-headers-2.6.17-$(abinum)-$(flavour) should depend on xen-headers-2.6.17-$(abinum), obviously.
[04:48] <BenC> Keybuk: pong
[04:48] <BenC> Keybuk: why are they where?
[04:49] <Keybuk> BenC: in anastacia output
[04:49] <Keybuk> should I demote those packages, or remove them?
[04:49] <Keybuk> or do they need seeding?
[04:50] <BenC> Keybuk: the kdump image was discussed in germany, it should be made available. I guess it's been silently dropped for some time now
[04:50] <BenC> the cdrom-modules have alway been there I though
[04:50] <Keybuk> always been where?
[04:50] <BenC> well, not for -generic, but should be
[04:51] <BenC> in the build
[04:51] <Keybuk> ok, so it's a seed issue
[04:51] <BenC> I'm guessing
[04:52] <BenC> kdump can be in universe
[04:52] <Keybuk> ah
[04:52] <Keybuk>  * Kernel-Version: 2.6.17-10-generic
[04:52] <Keybuk>  * /^.*-firmware-.*-di/ [amd64] 
[04:52] <Keybuk>  * /^.*-modules-.*-di/ [amd64] 
[04:53] <Keybuk> for everything except
[04:53] <Keybuk>  * Kernel-Version: 2.6.17-10-386
[04:53] <Keybuk>  * /^.*-firmware-.*-386-di/ [i386] 
[04:53] <Keybuk>  * /^.*-modules-.*-386-di/ [i386] 
[04:53] <Keybuk> I'll ask Kamion
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[05:46] <zul> goody...ill get xen working with it ;)
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[06:15] <BenC>   MODPOST 1869 modules
[06:15] <BenC> our module list is getting huge
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[06:40] <BenC> Linux gullible 2.6.19-1-generic #4 SMP Wed Oct 4 12:24:59 EDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:40] <BenC> yummy
[06:41] <zul> sweet..
[06:41] <BenC> found a very interesting bug though...setting essid (either network-admin or iwconfig directly) truncates it by one character
[06:42] <BenC> had to add a trailing character to get it set right
[06:49] <porkpie> BenC:hi   what kernel is the livecd running ?
[06:50] <porkpie> BenC:I want to build a custom kernel to support the Dell 1950 ...
[06:51] <BenC> porkpie: edgy?
[06:52] <porkpie> BenC:I thinks it dapper amd64
[06:54] <porkpie> BenC:we want to use ubuntu ...I have tried to install the server cd amd64 but it just doesn't happen ....problem with the initramfs ...it fails to load the megaraid_sas  ....
[06:55] <mdz> BenC: milestone changes aren't recorded in the activity log; there's already a bug open.  I try to remember to add a comment whenever I change a milestone so that it's clear
[06:56] <BenC> mdz: Do you still want me to do that bug for edgy? It's trivial and non-invasive, but requires a lot of uploads
[06:57] <BenC> I can add the no-boot-loader package to linux-meta
[06:59] <BenC> porkpie: Just grab the latest linux-source-2.6.15 from dapper-security
[07:03] <mdz> BenC: if it's non-invasive, please go ahead.  it's not critical functionality, but the sab would surely be disappointed
[07:05] <BenC> I'll have it done by the end of the day then
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[07:07] <zul> oh yeah totally forgot about that
[07:12] <mdz> hmm, reminder didn't go out?
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[07:12] <BenC> I got one from sfllaw
[07:12] <zul> yes it did
[07:12] <mdz> yep, there it is
[07:12] <zul> i just checked
[07:13] <BenC> cool, now I have an excuse to go out fishing tonight...high tide is at 7pm
[07:14] <BenC> the creek in my back yard only has 2 inches of water till the tide comes in...hard getting a 14 foot john boat out in a 2 inch deep and 6 inch wide stream
[07:15] <mdz> BenC: what kind of fish do you find there?
[07:16] <porkpie> BenC:how much would you charge me to build a custom kernel for the 1950
[07:17] <BenC> mostly croaker, but rock started running too...supposedly there's puppy drum, and blue around, but I haven't seen any
[07:17] <BenC> porkpie: If you have a patch, I'll upload a new dapper-updates kernel with it, and you can just download the .deb
[07:19] <porkpie> BenC:I need to get this box in production ....with ubuntu server amd64 
[07:20] <BenC> porkpie: do you have a patch, or know why it isn't working?
[07:20] <porkpie> BenC:let me find the problem ...
[07:20] <BenC> porkpie: If it's just a missing PCI ID in the module's device table, there's a quick one-liner command you can run after the system is booted (and then make sure to add it to initramfs stuff) so it works
[07:21] <zul> BenC: have you seen this error before?
[07:21] <zul> ERROR got an error from dpkg for pkg: 'linux-image-2.6.17-10-386': 'subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 128
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[07:21] <porkpie> BenC:https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/57265
[07:22] <zul> ah mvo is here
[07:22] <mvo> hello!
[07:22] <porkpie> BenC:I has been fixed in edgy
[07:22] <zul> BenC: he'll give you more background on the problem
[07:22] <porkpie> BenC:but edgy is no good for production ....
[07:22] <BenC> is this the "raid drives show up in scsi probe"?
[07:23] <porkpie> BenC:correct
[07:23] <BenC> ah, yep, it is
[07:23] <BenC> easy fix
[07:23] <porkpie> BenC:maybe easy for you  but not for me ....
[07:24] <porkpie> BenC:I would like an ISO that installs and reboots OK ....is this possible 
[07:25] <BenC> I can't do ISO's
[07:25] <mvo> BenC: I got some reports about kernel postinst failures on dapper->edgy upgrades (e.g. bug #63074). 2006-09-29 22:15:20,104 ERROR got an error from dpkg for pkg: 'linux-image-2.6.17-10-386': 'subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 128
[07:25] <mvo>  (from main.log). do you have any idea what might go wrong there?
[07:26] <BenC> mvo: maybe disk full?
[07:26] <porkpie> BenC:OK ....so if you fix the kernel for the dapper server amd64 build how would I apply this as an install ISO
[07:27] <porkpie> BenC:Who can create an install ISO for me ???
[07:27] <BenC> mvo: post-install creates initrd, and that might have caused a disk full
[07:27] <BenC> porkpie: Can you net boot?
[07:28] <porkpie> I have the function 
[07:28] <BenC> porkpie: I suggest checking the wiki...there's tons of docs on how to create bootable media
[07:28] <mvo> BenC: that makes sense, thanks
[07:29] <porkpie> BenC:OK ...what files do I need for the ISO ....can you provide me with a fixed kernel ...please
[07:29] <BenC> porkpie: The 2.6.15-50.50 kernel in dapper-updates has this fix
[07:29] <porkpie> BenC:do you have a paypal account 
[07:30] <porkpie> BenC:OK ...where do I get this from 
[07:31] <BenC> err, dapper-proposed
[07:32] <BenC> For some reason, it isn't there
[07:32] <porkpie> :(
[07:35] <BenC> porkpie: Checking on the status of that
[07:36] <porkpie> Thanks
[07:37] <BenC> porkpie: do you have an existing ubuntu amd64 system?
[07:42] <porkpie> No
[07:43] <porkpie> I have debian install working on the 1950 but it's not an smp kernel
[07:43] <porkpie> Also it's a backport !
[07:45] <porkpie> BenC:I tried to update the Kernel but I get a Kernel panic when I try to use the smp version also we don't want to use Debian 
[07:46] <porkpie> BenC:do you want access to the server .....???
[07:52] <porkpie> BenC:??
[07:52] <BenC> porkpie: hold on a minute
[07:52] <porkpie> OK boss
[07:53] <BenC> porkpie: I'll get you a kernel build by tomorrow...the CD creation you'll have to handle on your own (or try net bootable media)
[07:53] <BenC> both methods are found on wiki.ubuntu.com
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[07:54] <porkpie> BenC:thanks for your help ..... how much do I owe you
[07:55] <porkpie> Can you send the link to mark.lindley@systemcms.com when it's ready for download please
[07:55] <BenC> porkpie: like many before you, you owe me a beer which I'll probably never be able to collect on :)
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[07:58] <svu> BenC, ping?
[08:05] <porkpie> BenC:will you send me the link the kernel ??
[08:07] <BenC> svu: pong
[08:07] <BenC> porkpie: Check with me on here tomorrow
[08:07] <porkpie> OK ....thanks again
[08:09] <svu> BenC, do you remember - you were going to build restricted modules for ppc64?
[08:10] <svu> BenC, trying to update kernel I get this:
[08:10] <svu> linux-powerpc64-smp: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-powerpc64-smp but it is not going to be installed
[08:10] <svu> Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-powerpc64-smp has no installation candidate
[08:11] <BenC> svu: Will be fixed soon
[08:11] <BenC> lrm was ftbfs, and infinity is uploading a new version
[08:11] <svu> BenC, thanks!
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[08:44] <zul> BenC: there is no vars.generic in 2.6.19 is there suppose to be one?
[08:45] <BenC> zul: isn't in 2.6.17 either...it's in debian/config/vars.generic
[08:45] <BenC> shared for x86/x86_64
[08:45] <zul> ah gotcha
[08:49] <BenC> crimsun: ping
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[10:02] <zul> right im going home..
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[10:09] <[Pitcher] > hi all, new server of support to ubuntu /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668 ;)
[10:12] <[Pitcher] > hi all, new server of support to ubuntu /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668 ;)
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[10:28] <BenC> that's pretty dumb
[10:29] <jwest-> lol
[10:29] <jwest-> first time i've seen that on freenode
[10:59] <gnomefreak> BenC: you might want to ban that ip they spent good part of day in all other #ubuntu-* related channels doing that
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[11:48] <zul> spam spam spam spam
[11:55] <zul> shitty there isnt a sharks game i want to see while being there
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