| slomo | ajmitch: hm? :) | 12:12 |
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| ajmitch | slomo: yes? | 12:15 |
| slomo | ajmitch: "Continued failure to grasp simple boolean logic. Pick up a penalty card.", what's the context? ;) | 12:16 |
| ajmitch | -devel list | 12:16 |
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| pianoboy3333 | Is it possible to upgrade the python-mutagen package in edgy? | 12:21 |
| pianoboy3333 | I mean, can some one package a new version? | 12:22 |
| ajmitch | pianoboy3333: it'd need some real good reasons, we're in freeze | 12:24 |
| pianoboy3333 | Nevermind then I was just wondering, I'll build one for myself, no big deal. | 12:24 |
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| ChaosFan | uwg 49 | 12:59 |
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| minghua | good afternoon | 01:34 |
| lophyte | back | 01:37 |
| lophyte | ajmitch: how goes the build? | 01:38 |
| bddebian | Hello minghua | 01:38 |
| minghua | hi bddebian | 01:39 |
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| zul | oi...its quiet | 01:59 |
| lophyte | indeed. | 01:59 |
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| ajmitch | zul: quite | 02:01 |
| lophyte | hey ajmitch, how's the build going? | 02:01 |
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| ajmitch | ok | 02:02 |
| lophyte | cool | 02:02 |
| lophyte | let me know when its done.. I'm looking forward to doing some work | 02:05 |
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| ajmitch | hi Fujitsu | 02:25 |
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| lophyte | hey LaserJock | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | hi | 02:41 |
| lophyte | how's it going? | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | fine thanks | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | doing my daily dist-upgrade on my laptop | 02:42 |
| === ajmitch checks to see how many packages have built | ||
| LaserJock | how big is the unmet deps list? | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | 178 source packages | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | yikes | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | that's more than I expected | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | I'm doing a rebuild of the lot | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | some of those have been uninstallable for a long time | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | excellent | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | ok, so I have a question | 02:44 |
| ajmitch | ok, so ask :) | 02:44 |
| lophyte | a couple of us are joining forces to work on the unmet deps | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | apparently we ship the latest crack for gnumeric | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | which requires the latest crack for goffice | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | but I have another app that depends on goffice | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | but on the stable version | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | how hard would it be to have both versions of goffice | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | and perhaps more importantly, goffice is a Main package, could I get this new stable version into Universe? | 02:46 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: hard | 02:47 |
| minghua | goffice ships libgoffice-1-common | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | for edgy it's libgoffice-0-common | 02:48 |
| minghua | so that's definitely not trivial | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | I want libgoffice-1-common | 02:48 |
| minghua | oh | 02:48 |
| minghua | that's strange version numbering | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | libgoffice-1-* comes from goffice 0.2 | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | libgoffice-0-* comes from goffice 0.3 | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | I have no idea what that is | 02:49 |
| minghua | I bet libgoffice-0-common conflicts with libgoffice-1-common | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | nope | 02:50 |
| minghua | really | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | they coexist just fine | 02:50 |
| minghua | then maybe it's easy | 02:50 |
| minghua | anyway, I am not distracting you guys any more | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | you're not distracting | 02:50 |
| minghua | let you guys with an edgy install to sort this out :-) | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | I just want to be able to have goffice 0.2 and 0.3 at the same time ;-) | 02:51 |
| minghua | okay, so, where does libgoffice-0-common install those png icons? | 02:52 |
| minghua | my libgoffice-1-common on debian installs them in /usr/share/pixmaps/goffice/ | 02:52 |
| LaserJock | /usr/share/pixmaps/goffice/0.3.0/ | 02:53 |
| minghua | very nice | 02:53 |
| minghua | libgoffice-1-common in debian also ship the locale files | 02:54 |
| minghua | (I know ubuntu does it differently) | 02:54 |
| minghua | they are goffice.mo in debian | 02:54 |
| minghua | hopefully -0-common in edgy ships/pulls in goffice-0.3.0.mo? | 02:55 |
| minghua | but then again, broken .mo files are not critical, you just get english strings instead | 02:55 |
| Fujitsu | LaserJock: Not going to give up on gnome-chemistry-utils, ey? | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 03:05 |
| LaserJock | my gnome panels are weirded out | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | that's better | 03:08 |
| LaserJock | minghua: there is supposed to be a .mo file in the .deb? | 03:09 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Solve all of our problems while you were away? :-) | 03:09 |
| minghua | LaserJock: there are no .mo files supposed to be in a _Ubuntu_ .deb | 03:10 |
| minghua | LaserJock: nevertheless there is some black magic to put those .mo files back when you installs a language pack | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: yes, I managed to solve all problems in the universe in a couple hours | 03:12 |
| LaserJock | I went home with my wife and ordered pizza ;-) | 03:13 |
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| LaserJock | minghua: ah, I found the .mo files | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | just plain goffice.mo | 03:15 |
| minghua | LaserJock: so if you package -1-common from 0.2.x, you can't ship .mo files (due to the namespace clash), and you end up using the translations for 0.3.x in you 0.2.x-linked apps | 03:17 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Sweet, good man! :-) | 03:17 |
| minghua | LaserJock: but that's okay, not a big deal | 03:17 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: that's your job | 03:18 |
| LaserJock | how would I not ship the .mo files | 03:18 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: What's my job? I'm a nobody remember :) | 03:18 |
| minghua | LaserJock: there is usually a ubuntu specific change in debian/rules that strip all .mo files out, and put them in lang-packs | 03:19 |
| bddebian | Why the hell wouldn't/doesn't tor show up on any merge lists? | 03:19 |
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| bddebian | Oh, it was a straight syn previously | 03:19 |
| bddebian | Err sync even | 03:19 |
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| LaserJock | minghua: so do you think this might work to have 2 goffice packages? | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | it seems silly to have to do it | 03:24 |
| zul | maybe you might have to conflict them | 03:24 |
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| LaserJock | I don't think I'll need to | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | but my concern was more with the idea of it | 03:24 |
| minghua | LaserJock: yes, I do think it may work, but I also think it's silly | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | taking the same app, just a different version, and giving it a new source package and taking it from Main to Universe | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | the other option is to port the apps to the unstable version of goffice | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | but I don't like that much either | 03:26 |
| ajmitch | especially as it's in main | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | :/ | 03:28 |
| minghua | well | 03:29 |
| minghua | I have a maybe sillier idea | 03:29 |
| LaserJock | I really want to get these packages into Ubuntu | 03:29 |
| minghua | ship a private copy of goffice 0.2.x | 03:29 |
| ajmitch | built 36 packages from the unmet deps list successfully so far.. | 03:29 |
| minghua | ajmitch: is scim-uim on that list? | 03:29 |
| === ajmitch will check them all to see which can just be uploaded to fix the problems | ||
| bddebian | ajmitch: You ROCK honey :) | 03:29 |
| ajmitch | minghua: it's going in alphabetical order, so not yet :) | 03:30 |
| === minghua needs to take care of scim-uim FTBFS in Debian | ||
| minghua | ajmitch: I see :-) | 03:30 |
| minghua | scim-uim should just need a rebuild, but I need to confirm with libuim's maintainer | 03:30 |
| LaserJock | minghua: you mean in the package that needs the stable goffice? | 03:30 |
| minghua | LaserJock: yes | 03:30 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 03:30 |
| minghua | (and maybe static linking, too) | 03:31 |
| minghua | which will be frowned upon by security team :-) | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | yucky yucky :-) | 03:33 |
| LaserJock | well, gotta go fellas | 03:34 |
| Fujitsu | See you later, LaserJock. | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | cya | 03:35 |
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| ajmitch | someone buy me a faster computer :) | 04:05 |
| crimsun | you're the one with an amd64 ;p | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | gcc-4.1 happened to be on the unmet deps list | 04:06 |
| ajmitch | so it's currently being rebuilt on my box | 04:06 |
| ajmitch | probably some universe package | 04:06 |
| ajmitch | or that I had some stray packages lying around | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | libssp0 looks to be the culprit | 04:08 |
| bddebian | Ugh | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | still building gcc.. | 04:15 |
| bddebian | About the only thing worse than gcc is glibc :) | 04:15 |
| Toadstool | hey everybody | 04:15 |
| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: wrong | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | you forget mozilla code & OOo | 04:16 |
| Toadstool | openoffice ? | 04:16 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Well I never touch those ;-) | 04:16 |
| bddebian | 'course maxima takes freakin forever too :-( | 04:16 |
| Toadstool | hmm... I prepared an updated trac package for dapper with some security fixes but I don't know if the package is ok for -updates or -security... | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | ask on the security review list | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | more users would get it that way | 04:19 |
| crimsun | Toadstool: did you coordinate w/ jdub? He was working on one for -security. | 04:20 |
| Toadstool | argh | 04:20 |
| Toadstool | nope, I did not coordinate with him | 04:21 |
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| lophyte | ajmitch: still working on that build? | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 04:41 |
| Toadstool | hey imbrandon | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | heya Toadstool | 04:42 |
| bddebian | Heya imbrandon | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | ello bddebian | 04:42 |
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| zakame | hi all | 04:47 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 04:47 |
| Toadstool | hey zakame | 04:48 |
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| zakame | yo bddebian Toadstool | 04:50 |
| zakame | and ogra too : | 04:50 |
| zakame | :* | 04:50 |
| zakame | :) | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | hi zakame | 04:50 |
| zakame | and ajmitch too too :D | 04:50 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:51 |
| zakame | erm wtf bug 63890 | 04:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63890 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu has nearly the same logo as the Microsoft Alumni Network" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63890 | 04:51 |
| imbrandon | hahah | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | impressive | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | daniel robbins? interesting | 04:52 |
| zakame | who's he? | 04:53 |
| imbrandon | is kinda funny its even close to the same colors | 04:53 |
| ajmitch | gentoo founder, went to work for MS | 04:53 |
| zakame | oh, that guy! | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | I'm presuming it's the same guy | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | yeah, he has it on his blog :) | 04:55 |
| ajmitch | http://www.funtoo.org/drobbins/blog/2006/10/microsoft-alumni-vs-ubuntu.html | 04:56 |
| Toadstool | what the f... | 04:56 |
| zakame | hmm | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | hahah you read the thing at the bottom of the blogpost | 04:58 |
| zakame | my interpretation of thatlogo from ms is that its distinct from ours | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | ex-ms peeps makin a foss os | 04:58 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:58 |
| imbrandon | zakame, i dunno, they are real close, mean the same thing and use similar colors | 04:59 |
| imbrandon | e.g. they are both cartoon block circle of friends in orange | 04:59 |
| zakame | imbrandon: hmm, could be, too, a la intel's log, old and new | 04:59 |
| zakame | *logo | 04:59 |
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| zakame | yo elkbuntu | 05:02 |
| imbrandon | heya elkbuntu | 05:02 |
| nixternal | talk about retardation..i can't ping anything...my router says my gateway is 255.255.255.255, i can't surf the intarweb...but IRC works | 05:04 |
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| imbrandon | dns issues ? | 05:04 |
| nixternal | i cna't even ping ip | 05:04 |
| nixternal | oh wait..i can ping ip | 05:04 |
| nixternal | on my subnet | 05:05 |
| nixternal | gimme an ip to try | 05:05 |
| Toadstool | nixternal: 127.0.0.1 or 2001:200:0:8000::42 ? | 05:07 |
| === Toadstool runs | ||
| nixternal | you better run faster that that | 05:07 |
| Toadstool | :) | 05:07 |
| nixternal | even game me ipv6 | 05:07 |
| nixternal | grrr | 05:07 |
| nixternal | im in the US...our government is to stupid to realise how important ipv6 is | 05:08 |
| Lathiat | woo ipv6 | 05:08 |
| Toadstool | nixternal: try google -> 64.233.167.99 | 05:09 |
| nixternal | not looking good | 05:09 |
| nixternal | i am straight dead-locked with IPs right now...all of them are floating 255 | 05:10 |
| nixternal | you can't ping 255 from linux | 05:10 |
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| nixternal | wow...no jabber, icq, msn, yahoo, google/gmail, email, web browsing, svn, nothing...but IRC still works | 05:11 |
| nixternal | so all i can do is IRC..this is a first | 05:11 |
| Toadstool | weird... | 05:11 |
| zakame | probably homeland security deems IRC as a safe communications channel :P | 05:12 |
| Toadstool | nixternal: by the way, you can ping brodcast addresses with linux with ping -b | 05:12 |
| Toadstool | broadcast even | 05:13 |
| nixternal | still tells me it is an Invalid argument | 05:13 |
| Toadstool | you're sure that you're talking about your gateway address and not your netmask? | 05:13 |
| nixternal | kweather just died | 05:13 |
| nixternal | 255.* | 05:14 |
| nixternal | no good | 05:14 |
| Toadstool | uhuh | 05:14 |
| nixternal | can't ping anything starting with 240+ | 05:14 |
| Toadstool | blah, multicast addresses | 05:15 |
| Toadstool | why would you want to ping multicast IPs? | 05:15 |
| nixternal | cuz comcast uses them for gateway ip's aparently | 05:15 |
| Toadstool | hmm? | 05:15 |
| nixternal | ok..i should be back now | 05:16 |
| nixternal | wo0t | 05:16 |
| nixternal | that was odd | 05:16 |
| nixternal | i just reset my cable modem and router and never lost IRC connection...that i will never understand | 05:16 |
| Toadstool | well, not that weird, there are timeouts | 05:17 |
| rmjb | Hi, how can I confirm my key went to the keyserver? When I use Seahorse I get an error, when I use the command line it returned right away saying "sending..." | 05:19 |
| Toadstool | Lathiat: yay ipv6! when I was in France, I set up a tunnel for my parents' home network and another one for my own server in Paris... the connection was so laggy 'cause of the tunnels that I gave using v6 for SSH/Mails/whatever :/ | 05:20 |
| Toadstool | *gave up | 05:20 |
| Lathiat | heh | 05:21 |
| Lathiat | the trick is | 05:21 |
| Lathiat | to tunnel to somewhere close | 05:21 |
| ajmitch | like australia :) | 05:21 |
| Lathiat | heh | 05:21 |
| Toadstool | hehe | 05:21 |
| Lathiat | like i tunnel within australia | 05:21 |
| Lathiat | to the only tunnel broker *in* australia ;p | 05:21 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: you have native ipv6 or use a broker like aarnet? | 05:21 |
| Lathiat | i use aarnet here | 05:21 |
| === ajmitch also | ||
| Lathiat | no one offers native connectivity | 05:21 |
| Lathiat | i tried to find some | 05:21 |
| Lathiat | the only people who actually have a network | 05:21 |
| ajmitch | I thought some were planning to | 05:21 |
| Lathiat | is Asianetcom | 05:21 |
| Lathiat | and they still are tunneling | 05:22 |
| Lathiat | cant get native | 05:22 |
| ajmitch | hm | 05:22 |
| ajmitch | I know it was talked about in NZ as well | 05:22 |
| Lathiat | but if you construct sane tunnels | 05:22 |
| Lathiat | its less shit | 05:22 |
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| ajmitch | marginally so | 05:23 |
| Toadstool | my parents' ISP is considering setting up a native IPv6 service... hope it will be up-and-running when I come back in France :p | 05:24 |
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| rmjb | so... if I forget my key's passphrase... what can I do? | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | throw it away & generate a new key | 05:28 |
| rmjb | do I need to revoke it first? | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | if you have a revocation certificate | 05:29 |
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| rmjb | okay, dunno what that is, guess I can just delete the thing and start over | 05:30 |
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| imbrandon | DUDE | 05:48 |
| imbrandon | my webhost just upped my space and badwidth for free | 05:49 |
| imbrandon | from 20GB and 2TB bandwidth, to 200GB to 4TB a month | 05:49 |
| imbrandon | for the SAME price | 05:49 |
| zakame | imbrandon: w00t! | 05:50 |
| rmjb | this seems like your week imbrandon | 05:50 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: they can oversell pretty cheaply :) | 05:50 |
| rmjb | saw your hard drive blog post | 05:50 |
| imbrandon | rmjb, heh yea | 05:50 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea | 05:50 |
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| nixternal | ahh the good ol' msa logo making its rounds again i see | 06:00 |
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| imbrandon | hum ajmitch got half a sec to verify something is _my_ problem and not something in the repos | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | or anyone running ubuntu NOT with kubuntu-desktop currently installed | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: hm? | 06:35 |
| imbrandon | try to install kubuntu-desktop | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | you dont have to actualy install it | 06:36 |
| ajmitch | and what of it? | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | if its like me you get a slew of unmet deps | 06:36 |
| ajmitch | nope | 06:36 |
| imbrandon | crap | 06:37 |
| ajmitch | what unmet deps did you get? | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | one sec | 06:37 |
| imbrandon | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25635/ | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | impressive | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | yea considering i have only official sources.list | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | and when you try & install a package on that list, like adept? | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | havent tried yet, doing that now | 06:39 |
| ajmitch | dig until you find the real issue | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | ahh yea i think i found it | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | kdelibs4c2a: Depends: kdelibs-data (< 4:3.5.5) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | E: Broken packages | 06:41 |
| ajmitch | check with apt-cache madison | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | hum ok | 06:45 |
| imbrandon | well here is the deal it seems, Riddell had a 3.5.5 repo ( but not ppc packages ) and i HAD that in my sources.list | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, well... | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | but i removed it and its still looking for 3.5.5. | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | ( yes i apt-get update ) | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | well you've done it now :) | 06:46 |
| Hobbsee | it all works on i386.. | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | time to give up & use gnome | 06:46 |
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| bddebian | heh | 06:46 |
| minghua | imbrandon: sounds like you have a local kdelibs-data from Riddell's repo | 06:46 |
| imbrandon | minghua, cant , there isnt ppc packages afaik | 06:47 |
| === imbrandon checks | ||
| imbrandon | ajmitch, hhahaha | 06:47 |
| minghua | kdelibs-data should be arch:all, no? | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | minghua, ahhh true | 06:47 |
| === minghua agrees with ajmitch, time for GNOME :-) | ||
| imbrandon | shiznit yea thats probably it | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | heh i've been on gnome the last few days | 06:47 |
| imbrandon | time to go back home | 06:48 |
| imbrandon | ( as in to kde ) | 06:48 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:48 |
| ajmitch | it's a sign that it's not your home | 06:48 |
| imbrandon | yup that be it | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | brandon@intrepid:~$ dpkg -l|grep kde|grep 3.5.5 | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | ii kdelibs-data 3.5.5-0ubuntu1 core shared data for all KDE applications | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | time to fix | 06:49 |
| imbrandon | yay working now, thanks minghua dident thing about arch_all | 06:52 |
| imbrandon | thnik* | 06:52 |
| imbrandon | grr | 06:52 |
| imbrandon | T-H-I-N-K* | 06:52 |
| Toadstool | imbrandon: try xfce ;) | 06:52 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:52 |
| minghua | imbrandon: glad to help | 06:52 |
| minghua | if you've run non-i386 debian unstable before, that's a very familiar scenario | 06:53 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:54 |
| Toadstool | :) | 06:54 |
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| bddebian | Gnight folks | 07:19 |
| imbrandon | gnight bddebian | 07:19 |
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| imbrandon | ahhh back on kde /me dances | 07:38 |
| StevenK | imbrandon: Shouldn't that be a reason to mourn? :-P | 07:40 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:40 |
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| Hobbsee | of course not. | 07:41 |
| StevenK | Hah | 07:42 |
| ajmitch | unfortunate people | 07:42 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: how much floor space will you have at your place during LCA? :) | 07:42 |
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| StevenK | Hah | 07:43 |
| ajmitch | except for the little issue of it being miles from anywhere | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | LCA ? | 07:43 |
| ajmitch | linux.conf.au | 07:43 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: If you want to stay with at my place, I'm sure it can be arranged. | 07:43 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 07:43 |
| StevenK | s/with // | 07:43 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: you going to LCA? | 07:43 |
| StevenK | I'm still unsure at this point. | 07:43 |
| ajmitch | I'm trying to draw up a budget for the next few months, to see what I can afford :) | 07:44 |
| StevenK | Heh | 07:44 |
| StevenK | "Let's see now, two weeks of toilet paper and water ...." | 07:44 |
| imbrandon | and broadband ..... | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 07:45 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: If you're serious, I'll talk to my wife about it. | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: broadband comes first :) | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | heheh | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: I'll see how much the campus accomodation will cost, it's usually not too much | 07:46 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: I will of course require three references and six weeks bond. :-P | 07:46 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: *nod* | 07:46 |
| StevenK | Last LCA I went to, the office paid for everything. | 07:47 |
| ajmitch | does Hobbsee count as a reference? | 07:47 |
| StevenK | With this one being in Sydney, I think everyone will want to go. | 07:47 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Hah. No. :-P | 07:47 |
| imbrandon | hahahaha | 07:47 |
| ajmitch | oh well | 07:48 |
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| === StevenK wonders when registration closes. | ||
| TheMuso | Is registration even open yet? | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | no | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | not open yet, probably closes about the day the conference starts | 07:48 |
| TheMuso | Didn't think so. | 07:48 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:49 |
| Hobbsee | i'm definetly not a reference | 07:49 |
| ajmitch | jdub will know | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 07:49 |
| TheMuso | Hey imbrandon. | 07:49 |
| TheMuso | How goes it? | 07:49 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Just wanting to ask people around here who wants to go, etc. | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | good good | 07:49 |
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| StevenK | TheMuso: I note that Bart's Gnome seems to be behaving very badly. | 07:50 |
| ajmitch | fair enough | 07:50 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Have you seen any problems? | 07:50 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: How so? | 07:50 |
| StevenK | The panel keeps crashing. | 07:50 |
| TheMuso | ooo right | 07:50 |
| TheMuso | Let me get latest updates and I'll have a look. | 07:51 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Thanks. | 07:51 |
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| StevenK | TheMuso: I should tell Bart he owes you about 3 beers. :-P | 07:51 |
| TheMuso | I don't think so. I have hardly done anything. | 07:51 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: You've continued to listen to my whinging about Bart's problems, that's at least one beer. :-) | 07:52 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso, hey | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | it's installed | 07:56 |
| TheMuso | Hey cbx33 | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | and works | 07:56 |
| TheMuso | Cool. | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | I have a little problem | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | I don;t seem to be able to adjust the input volumes? | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | even with envy24control | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | is that right? | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | all the sliders are there but they do nothing | 07:57 |
| TheMuso | Are you sending audio through any of the inputs? | 07:57 |
| cbx33 | yes | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | a stereo using In3 and In4 | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | Is the signal showing up in the metres? | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | yes | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | but very quietly | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | What is the source? | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | a Korg X5D | 07:58 |
| cbx33 | which has been turned up to max | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 07:58 |
| TheMuso | I'll just bring it up here so I know what to guide you through. | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 07:59 |
| cbx33 | i get the bottom 3 "LED" lights lighting up | 07:59 |
| TheMuso | Ok, for HW/3, move the left slider right to the top, and depress the left mute button. | 08:00 |
| cbx33 | but the sliders on the left and right (not sure why I have 2 for a mono channel) do nothing | 08:00 |
| TheMuso | These sliders allow you to route any input to either the left or right channel, or even both if you want to. | 08:00 |
| cbx33 | oooh.... something comes throgh on digital mixer now | 08:00 |
| TheMuso | So to get a stereo sound, we unmute and turn up the left of HW/3 and the right of HW/4. | 08:00 |
| cbx33 | but it is still really quiet | 08:00 |
| TheMuso | We'll get to that. | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | that's cool | 08:01 |
| TheMuso | Once you have done that to the left and right of 3 and 4 respectively, you want to go to the analog volume tab. | 08:01 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | I wondered if that's where it was set | 08:02 |
| TheMuso | Find ADC 3/4, and turn them up. | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | ok | 08:03 |
| cbx33 | they were at 0 | 08:03 |
| cbx33 | but I was still getting sound | 08:03 |
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| TheMuso | Yeah. They adjust the gain | 08:03 |
| TheMuso | You should see greater signal in the digital mixer. | 08:03 |
| cbx33 | yes greater | 08:03 |
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| cbx33 | ok that's cool | 08:03 |
| TheMuso | Finally, to hear the sound, you want to go to the patchbay tab. | 08:03 |
| cbx33 | i mean there levels getting through to ardour were respectable | 08:03 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso, yeh I have figured that part out | 08:04 |
| TheMuso | SO you can now hear the sound? | 08:04 |
| dholbach | good morning - HAPPY HUG DAY! | 08:04 |
| cbx33 | once patched I assume I can still use the channels indepedantly in JACK/Ardour too | 08:04 |
| TheMuso | Yes. | 08:04 |
| TheMuso | But this is all so you can hear it if you want. | 08:04 |
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| cbx33 | TheMuso, exellent | 08:04 |
| cbx33 | the level still doesn't peak the meter | 08:04 |
| cbx33 | but then I suppose that's a good thing | 08:05 |
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| cbx33 | ;) | 08:05 |
| TheMuso | cbx33: But when using Jack/Ardour, I suggest you set the patchbay for 1/2 back to PCM in, and use Jack/Ardour to monitor the input signal | 08:05 |
| cbx33 | right | 08:05 |
| cbx33 | TheMuso, cool | 08:05 |
| cbx33 | the siganl to noise ratio os outstanding | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | I recorded a section at 40% volume | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | normalised it and there was still no noise | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | I was very very impressed | 08:06 |
| TheMuso | It is a very nice card. | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | on my old card I could hear hiss when moniroting a channel, if I had several in ardour I would get very loud hiss | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | yeh it is | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | right I'm off to make breakfast | 08:06 |
| TheMuso | Another thing that can help that little bit more, is to put the card in the bottom most PCI slot to minimize machine noise. | 08:07 |
| cbx33 | ahhh good plan | 08:07 |
| TheMuso | And if your BIOS allows it, set the IRQ for the bottom slot to something like an IRQ of 9 or 10. | 08:07 |
| TheMuso | These IRQs have a high priority. | 08:07 |
| cbx33 | ahhhh | 08:07 |
| TheMuso | You won't notice it, but it will allow the card to perhaps perform that little bit better. | 08:08 |
| cbx33 | thanks TheMuso | 08:08 |
| TheMuso | Welcome. | 08:08 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: Ok, I'm going to have a look at Orca. Just fetched latest updates that the .au mirror I use can provide. | 08:10 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Right, okay. | 08:10 |
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| TheMuso | StevenK: No problems so far. | 08:20 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Typical. :-P | 08:21 |
| TheMuso | I am only using Braille, but that shouldn't make a difference. | 08:21 |
| StevenK | It still use the accessibility stuff. | 08:21 |
| TheMuso | Yeah I know. | 08:21 |
| StevenK | I just wish I knew why Bart's install behaves so badly. | 08:21 |
| TheMuso | And I only nuked my orca configs, I haven't nuked my gconf configus. | 08:21 |
| TheMuso | configs | 08:21 |
| TheMuso | Well it seems that something has fixed up that weird behavior with Braille in gnome-terminal. | 08:23 |
| TheMuso | THis is absolutely rockin atm. | 08:23 |
| === StevenK wonders if this means TheMuso is switching to X from VCs. | ||
| TheMuso | StevenK: Not quite yet, although I am close. | 08:23 |
| === TheMuso will probably spend most of his time in a terminal anyway. :p | ||
| StevenK | TheMuso: I do most of my work in a terminal. :-) | 08:24 |
| StevenK | Terminal, XEmacs, and Firefox | 08:24 |
| TheMuso | That last one is the biggest problem with GNOME accessibility atm. Firefox is the big killer | 08:24 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| TheMuso | Rhythmbox with Braille absolutely R O C K S!!! | 08:25 |
| StevenK | I wish Rhythmbox didn't suck. | 08:26 |
| TheMuso | It doesn't. | 08:26 |
| TheMuso | hmm found another little problem however. | 08:26 |
| StevenK | If it sorted albums sanely, and supported album covers, I'd use it. | 08:26 |
| TheMuso | Totally unrelated to what Bart is experiencing | 08:26 |
| TheMuso | What don't you like about its album sorting? | 08:27 |
| TheMuso | And for the record, I don't give a flying *** about album covers. | 08:27 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: I figured you wouldn't. :-) | 08:27 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Hum. It's been a while since I looked. | 08:27 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 08:27 |
| TheMuso | Well for blind people, I think it will be fine. | 08:28 |
| TheMuso | The only problem is speech/music competing for the audio device. :p | 08:28 |
| TheMuso | SOmething which I am lucky enough to get around. | 08:28 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Hardware synth? | 08:29 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: No, Braille. | 08:29 |
| StevenK | Ah | 08:29 |
| ajmitch | morning dholbach | 08:29 |
| TheMuso | Although hardware synth is a possibility. | 08:29 |
| TheMuso | Even then, trying to listen to speech while music is playing, can be somewhat challenging sometimes, especially if you like the currently playing track. | 08:30 |
| TheMuso | hmmm. I can't seem to tab into the table displaying the music library. | 08:30 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: How Bart can talk on the phone and type an e-mail, I'll never know. | 08:30 |
| dholbach | heya ajmitch | 08:31 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: just about done a test rebuild run of unmet deps | 08:31 |
| TheMuso | Hmm. I got there somehow. | 08:31 |
| TheMuso | WIll have to work that one out. | 08:31 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: I am kinda the same. | 08:32 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: nice - good work on that | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: was mostly just refreshing the script I used last time & letting pbuilder do its magic :) | 08:32 |
| dholbach | hehe :) | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | the hard part is checking what's installable now after (just) a rebuild | 08:32 |
| ajmitch | & I'll throw the results up so people can fix the broken stuff | 08:33 |
| dholbach | sure | 08:33 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot! | 08:33 |
| StevenK | s/people/Fujitsu and crimsun/ | 08:33 |
| ajmitch | so true.. | 08:35 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: evertyhing that only uses automake >1.60 will fail | 08:35 |
| Hobbsee | which is a lot of kde stuff | 08:35 |
| TheMuso | Ok, looks like a slight rhythmbox bug. | 08:36 |
| TheMuso | I can get to the music library, but only if I use the shortcut to get to one of the column titles. | 08:36 |
| TheMuso | I can't just tab in there. | 08:36 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: you mean autoconf > 2.60? | 08:37 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: perhaps | 08:38 |
| Hobbsee | it's the one we have to keep patching, anyway | 08:38 |
| minghua | TheMuso: yeah, I noticed that yesterday too | 08:38 |
| minghua | rhythmbox's tab behavior is very strange (to me) | 08:39 |
| TheMuso | It certainly is. | 08:39 |
| ajmitch | well I have 129 build logs so far | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | for an afternoon of compiling | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | found a few simple things to fix | 08:42 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch, nice | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | you recompiling all unmet dep packages ? | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | nice little script heh | 08:48 |
| minghua | great, we have foreign language bug reports now | 08:48 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: sure | 08:48 |
| minghua | bug #63904 | 08:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63904 in spim "xspim se queda congelado" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63904 | 08:48 |
| imbrandon | OMG i'm gonna KILL jdong | 08:48 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: the script can also run dch -i over a list & rebuild them with a changelog entry I specify :) | 08:48 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: what now? | 08:48 |
| === minghua wonders if that's because LP has a foreign language interface now | ||
| imbrandon | you see his mail to -backports? | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | no, I don't read backports | 08:49 |
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| minghua | imbrandon: which one? | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | gah hopefully most others dont either | 08:49 |
| === ajmitch looks for archives | ||
| imbrandon | one sec lemme grab an archive link | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | found gmane | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | oh, prevu | 08:49 |
| ajmitch | major crack | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | yea | 08:49 |
| imbrandon | bad crack | 08:50 |
| === imbrandon can see the bug reports now | ||
| minghua | oh that one | 08:50 |
| === ajmitch could do the same in a few minutes with the scripts he has | ||
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| ajmitch | yes, a very not-amused devel team | 08:50 |
| imbrandon | yea but you wouldent give it to the general public with instructions to backport their own crack | 08:50 |
| ajmitch | I don't even hand out my broken scripts to other MOTUs | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | partly because noone asks :) | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | i as actualy just about to ask you if i could peek at it | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:51 |
| imbrandon | expect script ? | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | no | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | why would I use expect? | 08:52 |
| Hobbsee | scary crack | 08:52 |
| === Hobbsee stops trusting the backports | ||
| imbrandon | no idea, just a guesss | 08:52 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Hey, I gave you my broken scripts. :-) | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: pah, I barely used them :) | 08:52 |
| StevenK | Typical. | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | ungrateful sod, aren't I? | 08:52 |
| === minghua never trusted -backports since day one | ||
| StevenK | Yup. Typical New Zealander. | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | haha | 08:52 |
| === ajmitch has to head out for a few hours | ||
| ajmitch | back later | 08:53 |
| minghua | bye ajmitch | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | backports isnt that bad, its the freakin crack persons with no reguard for procedures | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | l8tr ajmitch | 08:53 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: indeed. | 08:53 |
| minghua | but jdong has been pretty aggressive about backporting since the beginning | 08:53 |
| StevenK | But why? Backports are for chumps. | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | minghua, thats fine but he has no idea how things run 90+ % of the time | 08:54 |
| minghua | (I am not saying that's bad, it's just very different from debian's backports.org team's strategy, and definitely not to my taste) | 08:54 |
| StevenK | I personally avoid backports, except *if and only if* I've done them myself. | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | StevenK, yup thats me | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | i do my own if i need it | 08:55 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| minghua | when I use backports, I expect it to be fully tested on a realistic environment. otherwise I'll just run the devel branch | 08:55 |
| StevenK | My Dapper machine has a newer Quod Libet. That's it. | 08:55 |
| === crimsun notes a newer mutagen [1.8] is out | ||
| minghua | also I don't like ubuntu backport repo's "all or nothing" layout | 08:56 |
| minghua | backports.org allow you to use backport for one or several packages only | 08:56 |
| === Hobbsee only uses the stable release in dire emergencies anyway. | ||
| === Hobbsee has been considering axing dapper to make space for edgy+1 | ||
| Hobbsee | may as well wait though | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | minghua, yea thats how i do my repos ( and those of kubuntu.org Riddell makes ) each app has its own component OR there is an "all" | 08:57 |
| minghua | imbrandon: yeah, IMO that's a much saner repo layout | 08:58 |
| minghua | <sarcasm> It would be nice if prevu adds revisions like ~NOT~SUPPORTED~1 </sarcasm> | 08:59 |
| imbrandon | ahha | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | it does ~6.06prevu1 == ~UNSUPPORTED | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:00 |
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| minghua | imbrandon: I know, I am just suggesting to make it obvious so that users report fewer bugs against their own backported packages | 09:01 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:02 |
| imbrandon | yea i'm gonna make a script to go along with it that mass rejects any bugs with the word "prevu" in it | 09:02 |
| imbrandon | omg i cannot beleave jdong did that | 09:02 |
| minghua | (it would be nice if LP asks about version number as an optional field in the bug submission form, too) | 09:02 |
| minghua | poor prevu will never gets bug for itself :-( | 09:03 |
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| minghua | As you might know that we are working to translate Debian-installer in urdu for DEBIAN UBUNTU 5.10 (Breezy). | 09:18 |
| minghua | Why? WHY? | 09:18 |
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| Burgundavia | minghua: because they can | 09:32 |
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| imbrandon | heya Burgundavia | 09:37 |
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| minghua | Burgundavia: yes indeed :-( | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | hey imbrandon | 09:42 |
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| sivang | morning | 10:04 |
| Fujitsu | Hi sivang. | 10:04 |
| sivang | hey Fujitsu | 10:06 |
| imbrandon | heya Fujitsu and sivang | 10:09 |
| Fujitsu | Hi imbrandon! | 10:09 |
| sivang | hey imbrandon | 10:10 |
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| minghua | Fujitsu: if a user use a foreign language to report a bug, I seriously doubt he/she can understand what you are asking... | 11:06 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: but I applause for your trying | 11:06 |
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| Fujitsu | minghua, that's a good point... But if he/she can use Launchpad, there's at least some English interpretation going on. | 11:25 |
| minghua | Fujitsu: I was actually wondering about that | 11:26 |
| Fujitsu | LP is only available in English at the moment, of course. | 11:27 |
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| minghua | okay, then, I was thinking if LP interface is translated | 11:27 |
| spacey | hi | 11:43 |
| spacey | any knows if "Chuck Short" is on irc? (guy who blogged about xen on planet ubuntu) | 11:44 |
| imbrandon | spacey, yea his name is zul on IRC | 11:44 |
| spacey | ok | 11:44 |
| spacey | thanks | 11:44 |
| imbrandon | now if he is awake right now is diffrent ;) | 11:44 |
| spacey | any idea about his timezone? | 11:45 |
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| imbrandon | its about 230am for him iirc ( east canadia i think ) | 11:46 |
| imbrandon | spacey, something we can help with ? | 11:46 |
| spacey | ah | 11:46 |
| spacey | we are testing xen in edgy | 11:46 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:47 |
| crimsun | he should be awake in 5-6 hrs | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | heya crimsun | 11:47 |
| spacey | hi | 11:47 |
| crimsun | hi. | 11:47 |
| spacey | i'll check back later, thanks, at least i know who to ping now:) | 11:48 |
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| Q-FUNK | howdy | 12:26 |
| Q-FUNK | anybody interested in co-maintaining Planner? | 12:27 |
| Fujitsu | Is the current maintainer orphaning it? | 12:30 |
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| Q-FUNK | nope. | 12:37 |
| Q-FUNK | I _did_ say CO-maintain | 12:38 |
| Fujitsu | Has he asked for a co-maintainer? | 12:38 |
| Q-FUNK | :) | 12:38 |
| Q-FUNK | Yup, I did. | 12:38 |
| imbrandon | Q-FUNK, in debian ? | 12:44 |
| imbrandon | you kinda need a DD for that to be really usefull imho | 12:45 |
| imbrandon | and in ubuntu all packages are co-maintained by everyone ;) | 12:45 |
| Q-FUNK | imbrandon: planner simply gets sync'ed nowadays | 12:51 |
| imbrandon | ahh then whats the problem ? | 12:51 |
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| Fujitsu | Neither am I, imbrandon \. | 12:52 |
| Q-FUNK | just that I have less time nowadays to package new upstream releases, now that they are active again, and that http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353213 happens | 12:52 |
| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 353213 in General "planner does not compile with libgda 1.3.91" [Blocker,Resolved: fixed] | 12:52 |
| imbrandon | ahh so you want a co-maintiner in Debian | 12:53 |
| imbrandon | correct ? | 12:53 |
| Q-FUNK | it could just as well be someone from ubuntu. I'm not that compartimented in my view of the universe. :) | 12:54 |
| imbrandon | right right, i was just wondering , making sure you dident misunderstand the diffrence in ubuntu "maintainership" | 12:54 |
| Fujitsu | Gah, so you are in fact the maintainer in Debian... | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | evening | 12:54 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 12:54 |
| Fujitsu | I happen to have an outdated local Edgy mirror in my sources.list, so it put that record last, which showed somebody else as the maintainer. | 12:54 |
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| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: planner is a gnome app, no? | 12:55 |
| Q-FUNK | Fujitsu: riht, because packages thta ubuntu decides to put in main end up with ubuntu as the maintainer | 12:55 |
| Fujitsu | Q-FUNK, noted, I see you're in the Original-Maintainer field of the new version. | 12:55 |
| Q-FUNK | ajmitch: yes indeed | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: tempting.. | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | except that I probably won't use it much :) | 12:56 |
| Q-FUNK | actually, to whom should I ask that automated maintainer change to not be applied? | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | infinity, I think | 12:56 |
| imbrandon | Q-FUNK, you do realize it dont mean much in ubuntu correct ? | 12:57 |
| Fujitsu | I might ask him to un-munge my one package as well :P | 12:57 |
| === ajmitch doesn't particularly care either way for his packages | ||
| imbrandon | me either, i still get the bugmail | 12:57 |
| === ajmitch is tired | ||
| imbrandon | thats all that matters to me | 12:58 |
| imbrandon | yea its about time for a nap here too | 12:58 |
| Q-FUNK | imbrandon: it means even less if a few ubuntero co-maintain this with me. then we can get 99% of the patches merged directly into debian. :) | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: you just need to lighten the load on yourself? | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | ;) Q-FUNK well i would if i used gnome | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | but i dont use gnome enough to be helpfull | 12:59 |
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| Fujitsu | I've used it once or twice... | 01:00 |
| Fujitsu | It looks nice. | 01:00 |
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| dholbach | ajmitch: can you mark bugs where you approve as the second uvf reviewer as 'confirmed' and assign to whoever filed the bug? | 01:29 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: and thanks for the reviews | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: sure, I wasn't sure if you wanted another followup since I'm not meant to be filling in yet :) | 01:29 |
| dholbach | that's cool | 01:30 |
| ajmitch | we still have some that get subscribed rather than assigned | 01:31 |
| lophyte | morning all | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | ah, I see you looked at bug 63842 | 01:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63842 in x264 "UVF Exception Request: x264 to svn20060928 from marillat" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63842 | 01:31 |
| dholbach | i personally like 'assigned' better | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | it works better in this case | 01:31 |
| dholbach | because my mail client can filter X-Launchpad-Bugs then | 01:31 |
| dholbach | ;) | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 01:31 |
| === ajmitch likes that | ||
| === ajmitch hugs mutt | ||
| lophyte | hey dholbach | 01:32 |
| dholbach | hey lophyte | 01:32 |
| lophyte | sorry my involvement has been kinda flaky over the last week or so.. things got busy in r/l :) | 01:32 |
| ajmitch | that's expected with volunteers :) | 01:33 |
| lophyte | but I'm back, so.. hehe | 01:33 |
| dholbach | ROCK :) | 01:33 |
| === dholbach -> break | ||
| dholbach | bbl | 01:33 |
| lophyte | ajmitch, did you get that broken deps list done? | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | lophyte: in a sense | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | I rebuilt everything on it | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | I need to get the tracker stuff up on tiber | 01:34 |
| lophyte | ah, I thought you were going to work up a list of packages that weren't fixed with a rebuild | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | yes, but that requires a fair bit of manual checking which I'll do tomorrow :) | 01:36 |
| lophyte | ahh | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | I could automate that further with pbuilder or piuparts | 01:36 |
| ajmitch | & will probably do so | 01:36 |
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| ajmitch | rebuilding nearly 180 source packages did take a few hours | 01:37 |
| lophyte | hehe, I bet | 01:38 |
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| lophyte | oh yeah, that's old and slow :P | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | it's not a new socket AM2, of course it's old ;) | 01:39 |
| lophyte | old is this P2 233 I have next to me. | 01:39 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 01:39 |
| ajmitch | ok, I'm going to go & sleep | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | I'll try & get a list of packages that need love tomorrow | 01:45 |
| ajmitch | sorry for the delay | 01:45 |
| lophyte | no worries :) | 01:47 |
| Fujitsu | See ya, ajmitch. | 01:47 |
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| kallewoof | I've been scrolling around looking at REVU (at tauware.de) for a while now, and I'm a little curious about something... Some packages have been there since e.g. april, but has no comments at all. Others are commented on within days. Is there some reasoning behind that (e.g. type of package) or is it simply that volunteers pick what seems fun? | 02:18 |
| kallewoof | s/volunteers/reviewers/ | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | kallewoof: usually people ask for reviews in here, or on the mailing list | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | here mostly | 02:20 |
| kallewoof | Oh! Gotcha. :) Anyone feel like reviewing the synchroedit-server and/or synchroedit-client submissions, then? *grins* | 02:21 |
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| effraie | hello all does somebody know the syntax to include a local rep as othermirror in .pbuilder? | 02:32 |
| gnomefreak | what would it take to get patches for Joe included in ubuntu for edgy im assuming (besides an act of god? | 02:34 |
| azeem | gnomefreak: that depends on the nature of the patches I guess | 02:34 |
| Adri2000 | effraie: is it on a ftp or http or not? | 02:34 |
| azeem | if they fix crashers, no problem I'd say | 02:34 |
| gnomefreak | bug 63952 | 02:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63952 in joe "bugfixes and feature improvements" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63952 | 02:34 |
| gnomefreak | thats the request | 02:35 |
| effraie | Adri2000: it's a local rep | 02:35 |
| effraie | i know it's possible, i just don't remember the syntax | 02:35 |
| Fujitsu | file:///path/to/wherever? | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | effraie: man pbuilder is usually a good place to check for such syntax? | 02:36 |
| effraie | Hobbsee: your right... | 02:36 |
| Adri2000 | yep, found in man pbuilder: "deb file:/usr/local/mirror ./" | 02:36 |
| effraie | but, i hoped somebody memory will be more quick | 02:37 |
| effraie | thanks | 02:37 |
| gnomefreak | yep it fixed from what i see one segfault | 02:37 |
| Adri2000 | a new (minor) release of xmoto has been released yesterday and is already in debian, do you think it has a chance to get in edgy? | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | !info xmoto edgy | 02:39 |
| ubotu | xmoto: 2D motocross platform game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-1 (edgy), package size 735 kB, installed size 1900 kB | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | Adri2000: not without a UVFe | 02:39 |
| Adri2000 | I know, I will file a bug for a UVF is you think it has a change to be accepted :p | 02:40 |
| Adri2000 | s/is/if/ | 02:40 |
| gnomefreak | i guess that would depend on the definition of minor? | 02:40 |
| Adri2000 | I mean: 0.2.1 -> 0.2.2 | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | Adri2000: it's in debian unstable? | 02:42 |
| Adri2000 | yes | 02:42 |
| Adri2000 | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xmoto/xmoto_0.2.2-1/changelog | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | Adri2000: see if it builds and installs fine in edgy - the sid version | 02:42 |
| Adri2000 | ok | 02:42 |
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| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: a questoin - why arent they included upstream? | 02:45 |
| gnomefreak | i dont know im just looking at bugs and i ran across this one | 02:45 |
| gnomefreak | figured ask about getting things in since we are low on time | 02:46 |
| === effraie again... | ||
| effraie | i've got an error when --override-config : Failed to fetch file:/var/cache/pbuilder/result/./Packages.gz File not found | 03:00 |
| effraie | but, i used un update script tio create a packages file in my rep | 03:01 |
| effraie | can somebody help me? | 03:01 |
| Adri2000 | effraie: paste the line you put in the .pbuilderrc | 03:02 |
| effraie | OTHERMIRROR="deb file:/var/cache/pbuilder/result ./" | 03:02 |
| Adri2000 | try OTHERMIRROR="deb file:/var/cache/pbuilder/result /" | 03:03 |
| effraie | ok | 03:04 |
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| effraie | oh, same error.. | 03:08 |
| effraie | my script only create a Package fil.. no Package.gz... | 03:09 |
| effraie | maybe the problem come from ther? | 03:09 |
| effraie | here is the script : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25651/ | 03:10 |
| effraie | what can i add to create the .gz ? | 03:10 |
| lionelp_ | effraie: do something like that : | 03:12 |
| lionelp_ | /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages $1 /dev/null | gzip - > $1/Packages.gz | 03:12 |
| lionelp_ | s/$1/./ | 03:12 |
| effraie | i add that line in the script? | 03:12 |
| lionelp_ | instead of you call to scanpackages | 03:13 |
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| AnAnt | anyone wants to REVU a package ? | 03:14 |
| === Hobbsee wonders why | ||
| Hobbsee | unless you're filing a UVFe about it too | 03:15 |
| AnAnt | what is UVF ? | 03:15 |
| Riddell | AnAnt: universe freeze, no new packages | 03:16 |
| AnAnt | it's not new | 03:16 |
| effraie | lionelp_: i'm sorry, but my english (and my script knowledge) is poor... and, i cant understand what i've to do | 03:16 |
| AnAnt | I fixed a bashism in softbeep that's all | 03:16 |
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| AnAnt | if [ "$1" == "irssi" ] <== that is bashism, right ? | 03:17 |
| shawarma | AnAnt: yes | 03:17 |
| effraie | lionelp: tu est franais? | 03:17 |
| AnAnt | well, I fixed that bashism | 03:17 |
| effraie | est/es | 03:17 |
| AnAnt | in softbeep | 03:17 |
| lionelp | effraie: il faut que tu rajouts la fin de ton appel dpkg-scanpackages (au lieu de > Packages) un | gzip - > Packages.gz | 03:18 |
| AnAnt | quoi ? | 03:18 |
| effraie | ok, j'essaie a | 03:18 |
| lionelp | AnAnt: for correcting a bug, you should attach a patch to the bug, not upload to REVU | 03:19 |
| === kallewoof didn't realize about the freeze. Damn. But it makes sense. | ||
| AnAnt | lionelp: how do I find the page for softbeep/ | 03:21 |
| AnAnt | ? | 03:21 |
| effraie | lionelp: j'ai tjrs la mme erreur... | 03:22 |
| effraie | cela pourrait il tre un pb de droits? | 03:22 |
| lionelp | AnAnt: here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/softbeep | 03:22 |
| shawarma | Nej, hvor er det sejt at skrive p sit eget sprog. :-) | 03:23 |
| lionelp | and for filling a bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/softbeep/+filebug | 03:23 |
| kallewoof | shawarma: Helpful if you're not fluent in english. | 03:23 |
| shawarma | kallewoof: Ja, det er klart nok. | 03:23 |
| lionelp | effraie: you script is a bit overkill | 03:26 |
| lionelp | a single line should be sufficient | 03:26 |
| effraie | lionelp: wich one? | 03:26 |
| lionelp | are you sure your Packages.gz is created at the good place ? | 03:26 |
| effraie | no, im'sure for nothing... | 03:27 |
| effraie | where is the right place? | 03:27 |
| lionelp | A ling with : "/usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip - > /your/path/Packages.gz" | 03:27 |
| lionelp | effraie: the right place is where you are looking for it (i.e. where your repository is) | 03:29 |
| effraie | ok, i try it thanks a lot | 03:29 |
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| shawarma | I'm just kidding around. If you want to speak French, I don't mind much. | 03:30 |
| effraie | lionelp: toujours la mme erreur... si je te montre un ls de mon rep, mon .pbuilderrc-edgy, et mon script, a t'aide a m'aider? | 03:32 |
| lionelp | shawarma: I did not understand one work of what you said :) | 03:32 |
| shawarma | lionelp: I didn't expect you to. :-) | 03:33 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: attach a patch or a diff.gz ? | 03:33 |
| Adri2000 | Hobbsee: bug 63964 :) | 03:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63964 in xmoto "UVF exception request: xmoto 0.2.2-1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63964 | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | Adri2000: nic | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | e | 03:34 |
| lionelp | shawarma: what language was it ? | 03:35 |
| lionelp | AnAnt: a patch | 03:35 |
| effraie | dutch? | 03:35 |
| shawarma | lionelp: Danish. | 03:35 |
| lionelp | mouah, no chance for me so :) | 03:35 |
| lionelp | effraie: yes, your elements can help, could you put them on pastebin ? | 03:35 |
| effraie | lionelp: of course i can ! | 03:36 |
| effraie | the ls :http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25655/ | 03:37 |
| kallewoof | I've been browsing around about that freeze, but I can't really find any info on it. How long do they usually last? Or is that case-by-case? | 03:37 |
| lionelp | effraie: you have a Packages.gz ! | 03:37 |
| effraie | my pbuilderrc : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25656/ | 03:38 |
| effraie | lionelp: i know i've one... | 03:38 |
| lionelp | kallewoof: look at there : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | 03:38 |
| lionelp | kallewoof: it will last until the relase | 03:38 |
| effraie | my script : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25657/ | 03:39 |
| kallewoof | lionelp: There it is! I looked, promise. :/ Thanks! | 03:39 |
| effraie | my error : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25658/ | 03:39 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: patch against what ? | 03:40 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: I made a dpatch | 03:40 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: would I submit that ? or a patch against the diff ? | 03:40 |
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| lionelp | effraie: in OTHERMIRROR, I think you should use ./ at the end instead of / | 03:41 |
| effraie | i try it immediatly | 03:41 |
| lionelp | AnAnt: a patch between the actual source (apt-get source) and the packaged modified by you | 03:41 |
| AnAnt | ls | 03:42 |
| effraie | lionelp: Failed to fetch file:/var/cache/pbuilder/result/./Packages.gz File not found | 03:43 |
| kallewoof | Thanks for the help folks. I'm outta here. Will be back around end of October when that freeze thaws. ;) | 03:43 |
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| effraie | lionelp: no idea? | 03:49 |
| lionelp | effraie: not a lot :-( | 03:49 |
| lionelp | could you ls /var/cache/pbuilder/result/./Packages.gz to see | 03:49 |
| effraie | thank you very much, BTW | 03:49 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: ok , done (I think) | 03:49 |
| lionelp | AnAnt: looks good | 03:51 |
| AnAnt | thanks | 03:51 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:03 |
| Q-FUNK | are there any tools to produce an reverted patch? | 04:05 |
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| Q-FUNK | I'd like to produce an inverted of this intrusive patch that upstream merged http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353213 | 04:06 |
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| Ubugtu | Gnome bug 353213 in General "planner does not compile with libgda 1.3.91" [Blocker,Resolved: fixed] | 04:06 |
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| Q-FUNK | I soehow doubt that droping this in debian/patches/ would make simple-patch-sys undestand that I mean for it to revert the changes | 04:07 |
| dholbach | Q-FUNK: patch -p1 -R < ../../patch | 04:08 |
| dholbach | (in a cdbs-edit-patch subshell) | 04:08 |
| Q-FUNK | hm?! | 04:09 |
| dholbach | cdbs-edit-patch 10-revert-upstream-fix | 04:09 |
| dholbach | ... | 04:09 |
| dholbach | patch -p1 -R < ~/the-upstream-fix | 04:09 |
| dholbach | ... | 04:09 |
| dholbach | ctrl-d | 04:09 |
| Q-FUNK | ah | 04:09 |
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| Q-FUNK | dholbach: thanks | 04:27 |
| dholbach | Q-FUNK: de rien | 04:27 |
| Q-FUNK | dholbach: I tried, except that the patch found at this bug is not what went into 0.14.1. one chunk fails to revert | 04:27 |
| dholbach | and what about fiddling manually? | 04:28 |
| dholbach | maybe you can coerce somebody in #ubuntu-desktop to poke at it together with you? | 04:29 |
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| lophyte | is anyone elses evolution broken after the latest edgy upgrade? | 04:36 |
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| monger | zul, I've heard you are familair with xen? | 04:38 |
| zul | yep | 04:38 |
| monger | I've got a strange problem with xen on edgy maybe you can help me out | 04:39 |
| zul | sure ill try | 04:39 |
| monger | My dom0 starts just fine, I can start domU's (tried debian in domU) | 04:39 |
| monger | But if I put edgy in domU too it hangs on vbd during the initialisation of the domU | 04:40 |
| monger | I get this error: Error: Device 770 (vbd) could not be connected | 04:40 |
| zul | weird i dont get that error can you open a bug in launchpad so we can track this, im at work right now and cant really help | 04:42 |
| monger | So I'm keeping you from doing something productive ;) | 04:42 |
| monger | I'll do so | 04:42 |
| monger | Thnx for the trouble | 04:42 |
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| Lutin | Hi | 05:41 |
| Lutin | I'm having trouble with cdbs and debug packages under edgy. for some reason my debug libs go into the lib packagage, instead of the -dbg one | 05:42 |
| Lutin | package* | 05:42 |
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| Lutin | any clues ? | 05:42 |
| azeem | Lutin: what kind of debug libs are those? | 05:42 |
| azeem | that is, are they dedicated debug libraries, or just the unstripped version of the real library | 05:43 |
| Lutin | unstripped versions of the lobs | 05:43 |
| Lutin | libs* | 05:43 |
| azeem | so you have unstripped libs in the real package, and nothing in the -dbg package? | 05:43 |
| Lutin | yeah | 05:43 |
| Lutin | and I don't understand why | 05:44 |
| azeem | you have a -dbg package in debian/control, right? | 05:44 |
| Lutin | indeed | 05:44 |
| Lutin | note that "bug" doesn't happen under dapper | 05:44 |
| azeem | oh | 05:44 |
| azeem | with the same source package? | 05:45 |
| Lutin | and the same debian tree | 05:45 |
| Lutin | yes | 05:45 |
| azeem | strange | 05:46 |
| Lutin | yeah | 05:47 |
| Lutin | besides, there's another thing | 05:47 |
| Lutin | the source package provides several libs and some debug binaries. and _all_ of them goes unstripped in the lib pkg | 05:48 |
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| Lutin | no clues ? | 06:00 |
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| kristog | hello *, i'm applying as MOTU, i add myself to the peoplubuntu-dev group. | 06:03 |
| kristog | i will be in the TB meeting. | 06:03 |
| kristog | I wonder what i can do for help you :) | 06:03 |
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| bddebian | kristog: Fix some bugs :-) | 06:08 |
| kristog | bddebian: ok, i'm doing some triage on NM and g-p-m :) | 06:09 |
| bddebian | Great | 06:09 |
| Lutin | talking about bugs, no one have ideas about the one I get ? | 06:10 |
| kristog | Lutin: what bug? | 06:10 |
| Lutin | kristog, some weirdness with cdbs and unstripped libs | 06:12 |
| Lutin | for some reason my debug libs go into the lib packagage, instead of the -dbg one. and it happens only with edgy | 06:12 |
| kristog | you have a -dbg.install? | 06:13 |
| Lutin | not needed | 06:13 |
| kristog | i don't know if cdbs can handle -dbg package with some define. | 06:13 |
| kristog | define == DBG_PACKAGE_BLABLABLA: | 06:14 |
| Lutin | DEB_DH_STRIP_ARGS := --dbg-package=libfoo | 06:14 |
| Lutin | but the problem is that on some pacakges, the unstripped libs go into the normal lib pkg | 06:15 |
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| lophyte | heya LaserJock_ | 06:35 |
| LaserJock_ | hi | 06:35 |
| lophyte | how's it going? | 06:35 |
| LaserJock_ | fine | 06:36 |
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| bddebian | Heya LaserJock_ | 06:46 |
| LaserJock_ | hi bddebian | 06:48 |
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| jdong|laptop | hi everyone | 07:36 |
| jdong|laptop | come on, it's safe to say hi to me... I'm not here to poke anyone about uploads :) | 07:38 |
| bddebian | Heya jdong|laptop :-) | 07:45 |
| jdong|laptop | HA TRICKED YOU! | 07:45 |
| jdong|laptop | muahaha | 07:45 |
| jdong|laptop | now, just grab the debdiff for wine 0.9.22 and nobody gets hurt.... | 07:45 |
| jdong|laptop | (j/k) :D | 07:46 |
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| bddebian | jdong|laptop: Last time I tried to touch wine I got yelled at :-) | 07:50 |
| jdong|laptop | bddebian: lol... I filed a uvf for the new wine... hope it goes through :) | 07:50 |
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| bddebian | jdong|laptop: New wine from where? Apparently we use the winehq packages not Debian (in case you didn't know that. I didn't) | 07:52 |
| jdong|laptop | bddebian: new wine from upstream sources | 07:52 |
| bddebian | Ah, OK | 07:52 |
| jdong|laptop | bddebian: they still package fine under our diff.gz | 07:52 |
| jdong|laptop | no changes that groundbreaking, but yes I do know that we use winehq | 07:53 |
| jdong|laptop | their repos are pretty sane | 07:53 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, well I'm glad I didn't upgrade my last computer to edgy | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | there is a bashism in debian/rules in gcl | 08:37 |
| LaserJock | I can't even build the source package on edgy as it is ;-) | 08:37 |
| bddebian | w00t | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | but at least I found the fix | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | crimsun siretart: ping? | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: do you know if we have a updates policy? | 08:51 |
| siretart | LaserJock: yeah? | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | siretart: do you know if we have a -updates policy? | 08:52 |
| geser | do I need an ACK from a motu for a sync request if I already have a go from motu-uvf? | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | I was just talking to mdz about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 08:53 |
| siretart | LaserJock: err, if you mean uploads for dapper-updates/universe, well, sort of | 08:53 |
| siretart | I remember some updates for at least breezy-updates/universe, but I don't remember the exact details. | 08:53 |
| siretart | the infrastructure is there, the main problem is rather ppl caring enough to upload there | 08:54 |
| matid | LaserJock: I've got a question for you. I'd like to know what could I do to help out and become a MOTU. I'm aware that right now it will be hard because of the Universe Freeze, but I'm still willing to help | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | siretart: mdz said the MOTU should work out what they want | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | matid: help fix bugs, and work on unmet deps | 08:54 |
| siretart | LaserJock: oh. I see. | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | mdz> though I strongly recommend using StableReleaseUpdates or something very close to it | 08:55 |
| siretart | LaserJock: in what context did he say that? | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | LaserJock> does StableReleaseUpdates apply equally to Universe? | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | LaserJock> mdz: ^^? or do you want MOTUs to decide that? | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | mdz> LaserJock: the latter | 08:56 |
| matid | LaserJock: By attaching a debdiff to the bug reports, I presume? | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | matid: yep, and subscribing ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 08:56 |
| siretart | LaserJock: ah. I see | 08:56 |
| matid | LaserJock: And one last question - if I just fix the dependencies should I add my own debian/changelog entry? It's overwritten by a MOTU during the upload process anyway | 08:57 |
| siretart | LaserJock: I think that what's lacking here is a process/workflow for how to provides updates for universe updates | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | matid: it shouldn't be overwritten if it is usable as is | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | matid: all the MOTU has to do is gpg sign it | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | siretart: yep | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | siretart: I need to do some right now | 08:58 |
| matid | LaserJock: Ok | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | siretart: but I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be uploading to -proposed or not | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | etc/ | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | hehe, that should be etc. | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | siretart: should we discuss this on the -motu list? | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | siretart: or do we already have something in place that I don't know about? | 09:00 |
| matid | LaserJock: Approximately, how long should I contribute to MOTU Team by fixing bugs to become a MOTU? I know the approval is done individually, but could you at least say if it will take 2 months or 5 moths of continous contribution. | 09:02 |
| matid | LaserJock: You can have a look at my launchpad profile or my wiki to see how am I doing right now | 09:02 |
| matid | https://launchpad.net/people/matid | 09:02 |
| matid | httsp://wiki.ubuntu.com/Matid | 09:03 |
| matid | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Matid | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | matid: you're an Ubuntu member now, right? | 09:03 |
| matid | LaserJock: Yes, I am | 09:03 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Sorry, I don't know (though it looks like it's already in discussion) :) | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | matid: I'd say it'd take a month or so | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | matid: probably not 5 if you get into it | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | seems like it took me 2-3 months | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | but I was doing lots of other things too | 09:05 |
| matid | I should have started it ab. 2 months ago, before the Universe freeze ;) | 09:06 |
| bddebian | heh | 09:06 |
| LaserJock | well, edgy+1 will open up soon enough ;-) | 09:06 |
| bddebian | Gah :-( | 09:06 |
| LaserJock | you get lots of chances there for sure ;-) | 09:06 |
| bddebian | When is Edgy supposed to release anyway? :-) | 09:06 |
| LaserJock | Oct. 22nd I think | 09:07 |
| matid | Wasn't it 26th? | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | maybe | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | something like that | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | oh cool | 09:08 |
| bddebian | Holy crap, I'm not going to be able to do anything by then :'-( | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | that's during national Chemistry week | 09:08 |
| matid | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule | 09:08 |
| matid | 26th, my mind didn't play tricks on me ;) | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | the 23rd is Mole Day | 09:09 |
| matid | Ok, I guess I'll have to start my dash to become a MOTU and hang out on this channel more ;) | 09:09 |
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| matid | By the way, what should we do about sync requests now? Since we're after the UVF we should reject them, shouldn't we? | 09:30 |
| ajmitch | matid: no | 09:30 |
| matid | ajmitch: So what should one do? | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | matid: if it's a new upstream, get them to provide the necessary info & assign to motu-uvf | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | if it's just a new debian revision, business as normal | 09:32 |
| matid | ajmitch: Ok, thanks! | 09:33 |
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| geser | ajmitch: do I need an ACK from a motu for a sync request if I already have a go from motu-uvf? | 09:37 |
| siretart | LaserJock: sorry, I was afk | 09:39 |
| siretart | LaserJock: AFAIK, we didn't discuss this matter yet. | 09:39 |
| siretart | LaserJock: in the past, when we had to discuss matters, we made a MOTUMeeting | 09:39 |
| siretart | LaserJock: but since we grew a lot since the last motumeeting, I think an irc meeting for that isn't really feasible | 09:40 |
| siretart | LaserJock: I'd suggest that you start outlining procedures for uploading to dapper-updates on the ubuntu wiki and label it as draft | 09:40 |
| siretart | LaserJock: and then start a discussion on ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.co | 09:41 |
| siretart | m | 09:41 |
| siretart | LaserJock: then all can read and comment on the proposal.I think this is what mdz has in mind | 09:41 |
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| siretart | LaserJock: I'm particulary curious how we want to manage the part about q/a for those uploads. for main, the procedures are quite strict, at least since the botched X upload for dapper | 09:43 |
| zul | someone would obvisouly have to test them | 09:45 |
| zul | ie a motu-qa group | 09:45 |
| matid | Is there a motu-qa team? | 09:46 |
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| ajmitch | geser: the archive admins may wish it to be so | 09:52 |
| blueyed | I have a .deb and get "error creating directory `./usr/share/jedit/XXX': No such file or directory" when trying to dpkg --install it. See http://paste.uni.cc/10567 - lintian says it's ok. Any idea? | 09:52 |
| lophyte | hey all | 09:52 |
| blueyed | Do the directories need to be included "as-is" in the .deb - so they get created? | 09:54 |
| kristog | blueyed: could you put debian/ online? | 09:54 |
| blueyed | kristog: sure. http://codeprobe.de/tmp/jedit-debian/ | 09:56 |
| blueyed | The package gets generated by an ant target and I'm trying to fix it. | 09:57 |
| kristog | blueyed: where are rules and changelog ? | 09:57 |
| blueyed | They aren't there.. are they required? | 09:59 |
| kristog | ehrr for build a debian package yes | 10:00 |
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| blueyed | The package gets build by a Java class, de.masters_of_disaster.ant.tasks.deb.Deb - I'll investigate how it works. | 10:01 |
| blueyed | kristog: wonder though, that lintian does not complain and dpkg starts installing. | 10:01 |
| kristog | because rules is not shipped in the .deb | 10:02 |
| kristog | i don't know what is de.masters_of_disaster.ant.tasks.deb.Deb | 10:02 |
| kristog | but i think you need rules and copyright | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: but you are wanting to get your metapackages in Universe, right? | 10:04 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: Hey. Thats the thing. | 10:04 |
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| _MMA_ | Im not sure, in the end, where they should go. | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: well, shoot for Universe ;-) | 10:05 |
| _MMA_ | I was relying on Dana for things like this but he just doesnt have the time for the project. | 10:05 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: you sure? He was talking to me about it the other day | 10:05 |
| _MMA_ | Its the vibe Im getting. He has been dealing with personal issues. Its better he takes care of himself. | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | if you integrate more with the MOTU Multimedia team I'm sure they would be a help | 10:06 |
| _MMA_ | Is that another channel? | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | no | 10:06 |
| _MMA_ | Lots of this stuff is new to me but I have to get this done. | 10:07 |
| _MMA_ | What people should I contact? | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | https://launchpad.net/people/motumedia | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | you could probably email the ubuntu-motu list | 10:08 |
| _MMA_ | As far as meta-packages go, I can get a list of packages together but I have no clue how to make a .deb or a meta-package. | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | with a description of your project and things you need help on | 10:08 |
| _MMA_ | Im not even sure how to mail a list. One more thing I have to look into. ;) | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: lists.ubuntu.com | 10:09 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. Ill look into that. I have so much going on its sick. I just got a email about going to UDS Mountain View. One more thing to work on. :) | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: just take it one thing at a time | 10:12 |
| sivang | _MMA_: just think how lucky you are :-) | 10:12 |
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| _MMA_ | Im trying. The biggest thing is balencing my family life. Im a stay-at-home Dad. | 10:13 |
| [Pitcher] | hi all, new server of support to ubuntu /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668 ;) | 10:13 |
| [Pitcher] | hi all, new server of support to ubuntu /server -m irc.ubuntuzone.org:6668 ;) | 10:13 |
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| _MMA_ | sivang: It is pretty cool. :) | 10:13 |
| iXce | Oo | 10:14 |
| _MMA_ | Thanx for the info guys. Off to work more on the WIKI. | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: just don't worry about having to have everything done right now | 10:14 |
| sivang | _MMA_: I would concentrate on stuff you would llike to prepare for UDS, the conference is more around plans and mockups , then actual code and package. | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: projects like this take quite a bit of time | 10:14 |
| kristog | sivang: UDS? | 10:15 |
| sivang | kristog: yes | 10:15 |
| kristog | what is uds ubuntu-S?-S? ? | 10:15 |
| _MMA_ | I really want to see it through. I think Demudi left a gap. | 10:15 |
| sivang | kristog: Well, it's been observed that some code and package did sprung out during a UDS, however, it's not mandatory I think | 10:15 |
| sivang | kristog: UbuntuDeveloperSummit | 10:15 |
| kristog | ah ok ! thank you | 10:16 |
| sivang | kristog: np | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: UDS will also be a good place to get people excited about it | 10:17 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: I hope so. Im pretty good at talking to people. I have art being created currently. I will have mock-ups. I hope to have a disk to test also based off of Edgy. | 10:18 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: Ill look as "pro" as I can. | 10:19 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 10:23 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch | 10:25 |
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| AnAnt | anyone knows a document (other than manpage) explaining arrays or field expansion for dash ? | 10:45 |
| AnAnt | I don't understand the manpage | 10:45 |
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| AnAnt | ping lionelp | 10:48 |
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| lionelp | pong AnAnt | 10:49 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: should I change status of softbeep bug or someone else should do that ? | 10:50 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: I see that there are Fix released & Fix committed | 10:50 |
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| lionelp | AnAnt: nope | 10:51 |
| lionelp | fix released is when the modif will be uploaded | 10:52 |
| lionelp | and fiex released when the package will be in the repo | 10:52 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: so it is fix committed ? | 10:52 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: and should I assign it to myself ? | 10:52 |
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| AnAnt | lionelp: ? | 10:56 |
| lionelp | sorry | 10:57 |
| lionelp | I was on phone | 10:57 |
| AnAnt | np | 10:57 |
| lionelp | no, fix commited is when the source package is uploaded to the Ubuntu repository | 10:57 |
| AnAnt | so I shouldn't change the bug status then ? | 10:57 |
| lionelp | AnAnt: what is the status ? | 10:58 |
| lionelp | it should be confirmed right now | 10:58 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: unconfirmed | 10:58 |
| AnAnt | lionelp: nope it is UNdecided | 10:59 |
| lionelp | confirmed => the bug is known and we have full informations to correct the bug (we have the fix) | 10:59 |
| AnAnt | ok | 10:59 |
| AnAnt | k | 11:00 |
| AnAnt | and assigned the bug to myself or leave it unassigned ? | 11:00 |
| lionelp | Assigned to "sponsor for universe" | 11:01 |
| AnAnt | ok | 11:02 |
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| AnAnt | lionelp: thanks | 11:05 |
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| XiXaQ | how about adding xrdp in a future Ubuntu distro? It would be very nice if one could connect directly to a Ubuntu desktop from any Windows desktop. | 11:08 |
| Q-FUNK | XiXaQ: it could be fun, indeed. | 11:08 |
| Q-FUNK | is there already a package of it in Debian or in Ubuntu/universe? | 11:09 |
| XiXaQ | there is a debian package. | 11:11 |
| XiXaQ | http://xrdp.sourceforge.net | 11:11 |
| Q-FUNK | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates | 11:12 |
| lionelp | upstream build a Debian but it is not in Debian | 11:12 |
| Q-FUNK | it's already being considered | 11:12 |
| XiXaQ | it would be fun, useful and possibly the best marketing tool we could ask for. | 11:12 |
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| Q-FUNK | XiXaQ: see the URL above. someone already spotted the package | 11:13 |
| XiXaQ | I saw.. I didn't know of the wiki page. :) | 11:14 |
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| XiXaQ | what is wnpp? | 11:20 |
| XiXaQ | and what is a RFP? :) | 11:21 |
| effraie | any french here? | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | XiXaQ: debian terms | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | Q-FUNK: why not an ITP? :) | 11:22 |
| lionelp | effraie: still here :) | 11:22 |
| geser | XiXaQ: RFP = Request For Package | 11:23 |
| effraie | i've got a very confusing error here : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25693/ | 11:23 |
| geser | XiXaQ: WNPP = Work-Needing and Prospective Packages | 11:23 |
| effraie | it happens while building beryl-settings, and while building beryl-manager | 11:23 |
| lionelp | effraie: interesting :) | 11:24 |
| effraie | lionelp: do you have an idea? | 11:24 |
| XiXaQ | geser, thanks... :) Learn something new every day. :) | 11:24 |
| Q-FUNK | ajmitch: cause I wouldn't have any need for it myself? :) | 11:24 |
| lionelp | but beryl is not in Ubuntu as far as i know :) | 11:24 |
| effraie | i know... | 11:24 |
| lionelp | effraie: the external repository you are using is broken... | 11:24 |
| lophyte | hey geser | 11:24 |
| geser | hello lophyte | 11:25 |
| effraie | lionelp: i'm pbuilding the first .debs for ppc | 11:25 |
| effraie | no external repo, exept my own... | 11:25 |
| lionelp | Okay ! | 11:25 |
| lophyte | geser: I'm still waiting for ajmitch before I look into doing unmet deps.. he rebuilt them all last night | 11:25 |
| lionelp | did you build beryl-settings and beryl-manager | 11:25 |
| effraie | no, that error arrive during that build | 11:26 |
| effraie | berryl-setting tell me "i need beryl-manager & beryl-settings" and beryl-manager... the same | 11:27 |
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| geser | lophyte: I hope to get the gnustep-{make,base,gui} fixed on the next archive day so we could begin with the gnustep packages soon | 11:30 |
| lophyte | geser: ok, sounds good.. I'd like to help with that | 11:30 |
| geser | there are over 60 packages depending on gnustep-back0.10 | 11:31 |
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| ajmitch | geser: should be a good way to cut the list back | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | how many will need rebuilds? | 11:35 |
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| geser | I haven't checked yet | 11:37 |
| geser | but all need a rebuild or a sync from debian | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | rebuilds are simple, they can be done in minutes by someone with upload rights | 11:40 |
| lophyte | I like doing rebuilds though, its good practice to get into the swing of creating a package | 11:41 |
| lophyte | ;) | 11:41 |
| lophyte | I've only done one... a few more would be good practice I think | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | lophyte: rebuilds are nothing more than adding a changelog entry & running debuild -S, then uploading | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | (testing in between, of course) | 11:42 |
| lophyte | yeah i suppose | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | with a list of packages I could do that in a few seconds | 11:42 |
| lophyte | you and your automation :P | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | I wrote the scripts awhile ago, i like being lazy | 11:43 |
| lophyte | well I wonder what else I could do | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | fix those that don't need rebuilt | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | but have deeper problems | 11:43 |
| lophyte | yeah, I was planning on doing that, just waiting | 11:44 |
| lophyte | is there a way to tell if they have deeper problems without trying to rebuild it first? | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | generally not :) | 11:45 |
| lophyte | ah, okie | 11:46 |
| lophyte | then I'll wait :) | 11:46 |
| geser | ajmitch: I've three unmet deps (simple rebuilds) waiting for an upload: bug 63220, bug 63217 and bug 63216. could you upload them? | 11:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63220 in libccscript3 "[Edgy] Rebuild for libcommoncpp2-1.4-0 soname change" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63220 | 11:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63217 in libccrtp "[Edgy] Rebuild for libcommoncpp2-1.4-0 soname change" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63217 | 11:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63216 in bayonne "[Edgy] Rebuild for libcommoncpp2-1.4-0 soname change" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63216 | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:54 |
| geser | thanks | 11:55 |
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