[12:40] <johnnybuoy> does anyone know about a good documentation for upstart?
[01:02] <Seveas> johnnybuoy, the source code ;)
[01:04] <johnnybuoy> :D
[01:04] <johnnybuoy> thanks!
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[04:37] !alindeman:*! Hi all.  A rotation server just hiccuped; we're looking into it
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[06:03] <Keybuk> http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/06/09/18/1623244.shtml
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[06:05] <thom> Keybuk: you sly dog, sneaking gratuitous self-agrandisement onto linux.com ;-)
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[06:12] <smlgb1> Hi there. Did anybody of you try to install upstart on gentoo yet?
[06:12] <Keybuk> smlgb1: I believe there have been several attempts, at least one of which was successful
[06:12] <Keybuk> thom: and getting paid for it, too ;)
[06:14] <smlgb1> is there some online resource to check it out? I am trying for over a day now, but i cannot get it to do the right thing...
[06:15] <thom> Keybuk: you can buy me a beer at uds then
[06:16] <Keybuk> heh
[06:16] <Keybuk> thom: you're definitely coming?
[06:16] <Keybuk> cool
[06:17] <Keybuk> smlgb1: no idea, I don't know if anyone's written it down yet
[06:18] <smlgb1> ok, thanks. gotta keep trying.
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[06:21] <wasabi_> Keybuk: sponsorship accepted. ;0
[06:21] <wasabi_> Yay for me!
[06:22] <wasabi_> I'm going to start writing up a ton of various use cases of complicated upstart event stuff, and start blowing out flow charts.
[06:22] <Keybuk> wasabi_: yeah, I saw a few weeks ago
[06:22] <Keybuk> I guess the mails finally went out then
[06:22] <wasabi_> Yeah.
[06:23] <wasabi_> whiprush sent in another recommendation because I'll be working on some directory integration stuff too
[06:23] <wasabi_> He didn't know you already had.
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[07:09] <madduck> Keybuk: can you do s@/boot/grub/menu.lst@& (or if using grub2 - /boot/grub/grub.cfg)@ in the README?
[07:09] <madduck> bounce from a user forthcoming
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[07:18] <Keybuk> madduck: err, -v ?
[07:18] <madduck> Keybuk: yeah, this is 0.1.1
[07:18] <madduck> Keybuk: if it does not apply anymore, all the better
[07:19] <Keybuk> I didn't understand the sed
[07:20] <Keybuk> and yeah, there's no README.Debian anymore in 0.2+
[07:22] <Keybuk> I suspect Debian will want to keep it though, unless you install upstart as /sbin/init
[07:23] <madduck> kinda. i am not maintainer anymore, it's up to mbiebl now. :)
[07:23] <mbiebl> Keybuk: 0.2.7 is currently in NEW again because of the new binary packages.
[07:24] <Keybuk> oh right, fair enough
[07:24] <mbiebl> It also replaces /sbin/init.
[07:24] <Keybuk> how did you package it?  ubuntu-style?
[07:24] <Keybuk> cool
[07:24] <Keybuk> shiny
[07:24] <mbiebl> It's based on your packages.
[07:24] <mbiebl> I want to keep it as close as possible.
[07:25] <mbiebl> sysvinit has been split up and other packages which still depedended on sysvinit have mostly been fixed.
[07:25] <Keybuk> could you use -Xdebian1 in your revisions, not just -1 though
[07:25] <madduck> yeah, this was pretty painless. i meant to blog about the whole process.
[07:25] <mbiebl> (bluez-utils being the most important one which still remains)
[07:25] <Keybuk> otherwise I'll have to blacklist it from the Ubuntu sync/merge process
[07:25] <Keybuk> which won't do either of us favours
[07:25] <madduck> Keybuk: why not try to stay in sync?
[07:26] <Keybuk> I don't mind if they don't differ
[07:26] <madduck> mbiebl: ?
[07:26] <mbiebl> Good question, still debian/control has to differ because of the different replaces.
[07:27] <madduck> mbiebl: then i guess it should really be -Xdebian1
[07:27] <mbiebl> Also pere chose to name sysvutils sysvinit-utils.
[07:27] <madduck> i think ubuntu will follow this choice of name, right Keybuk ?
[07:27] <Keybuk> we will in edgy+1, yeah
[07:27] <Keybuk> obviously we're frozen now
[07:28] <mbiebl> Keybuk: I already thought about naming them -Xdebian1. But I don't always copy debian/ on a new release of the Ubuntu package.
[07:28] <mbiebl> I copied them for 0.2.5 and then only synced in the necessary changes.
[07:29] <Keybuk> the main problem is if you, for what ever reason, race ahead of us
[07:29] <Keybuk> you do 0.3.0-1, so do we, but they differ
[07:29] <Keybuk> and you need to fix something, and do 0.3.0-2
[07:29] <Keybuk> Debian now has a higher version than Ubuntu, so our sync process will try and override our version with yours
[07:29] <Keybuk> which would be bad
[07:30] <Keybuk> the sync process recognises XubuntuY and XdebianY
[07:30] <mbiebl> Hm, right.
[07:30] <Keybuk> the former as an "Ubuntu patched version of a Debian-maintained package"
[07:30] <Keybuk> and the latter as a "Debian patched version of an Ubuntu-maintained package"
[07:30] <Keybuk> so it'd know not to override our version with a XdebianY
[07:31] <mbiebl> I just found it odd to name them -Xdebian1 also if they are not directly based on the corresponding Ubuntu version.
[07:31] <Keybuk> without that, I'd need to blacklist upstart from the sync process to avoid us suddenly ending up with the debian packages
[07:31] <Keybuk> name them -0debian1 then?
[07:31] <Keybuk> we use that in Ubuntu when we don't base things on the Debian version
[07:32] <Keybuk> it's not important though, if you don't want to use patches/merge.ubuntu.com etc.
[07:32] <Keybuk> or get diffs from the PTS
[07:33] <mbiebl> How do you usually handle syncs between Debian/Ubuntu?
[07:33] <mbiebl> Do you copy the Debian changelog?
[07:34] <mbiebl> Even if the packages evolve differently for some time.
[07:35] <Keybuk> if we branch the package, we add our entries to the top of the changelog
[07:35] <Keybuk> so you see -2ubuntu2, -2ubuntu1, -2, -1 etc.
[07:35] <Keybuk> then if we merge in Debian again, we add the new Debian at the top
[07:35] <Keybuk> (and a ubuntu1 for the merge)
[07:35] <Keybuk> -3ubuntu1, -3, -2ubuntu2, -2ubuntu1, -2, -1
[07:35] <Keybuk> if we abandon our patches, we sync the Debian version and drop the changelog diff
[07:38] <mbiebl> Ok, then I'll try to adopt a corresponding versioning scheme with -XdebianY for the Debian package.
[07:39] <Keybuk> if not, don't worry too much :)
[07:39] <Keybuk> I'm the guy that does the sync/merge stuff, so I'd quickly hit a button if I saw upstart in there ;)
[07:41] <mbiebl> Keybuk: The only issues I currently have with upstart on Debian is, that console-setup/console-tools don't work properly during boot up.
[07:41] <mbiebl> I know that you had the same problems on Edgy already, so maybe you could give me some pointers how you fixed that.
[07:42] <Keybuk> "don't work properly" ?
[07:42] <mbiebl> Font and keyboard are not setup during bootup.
[07:42] <Keybuk> with usplash?
[07:42] <mbiebl> Without.
[07:42] <Keybuk> Debian uses setupcon?
[07:43] <mbiebl> I can, it's optionally.
[07:43] <mbiebl> s/I/It/
[07:44] <Keybuk> does adding "console output" to rcS/rc2 help?
[07:44] <Keybuk> it "just works" here, don't really know much about it
[07:44] <Keybuk> I know Kamion spent ages transitioning us to setupcon
[07:45] <Keybuk> I assumed Debian had done the same before, he tends to prefer to keep us matched to Debian
[07:45] <mbiebl> I'll check that. I just know, that /etc/init.d/console-setup works when run from sysvinit, but not from upstart.
[07:46] <Keybuk> assuming you just copied the ubuntu jobs, you've probably got a silent startup with no console output
[07:46] <mbiebl> Right.
[07:46] <Keybuk> if whatever sets the console up just uses fd 0/1/2, then it won't do anything
[07:47] <mbiebl> Ah, so why does it work on Ubuntu then? It also uses the silent startup.
[07:48] <mbiebl> Have the changed the init scripts/setupcon?
[07:48] <Keybuk> we just call "setupcon -k --force"
[07:49] <Keybuk> it seems to dtrt here
[07:49] <Keybuk> oh, the -k is just if usplash is running
[07:50] <Keybuk> anyway, gym time, gotta run
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