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Hawkwind!ubuntu counter12:15
ubotuIf you want to register with the Ubuntu Counter project, please visit this page:  http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/useraccount.php?action=newuser12:15
Riddellhmm, right12:17
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HawkwindHmmm, there is a way you can change the images there but I don't remember how12:18
HawkwindRiddell: Looks like you can only actually register as a Ubuntu user, but you can change images and get a Kubuntu image for forums and things12:18
HawkwindRiddell: The person I was referring to was trappist12:23
HawkwindFigured I'd just tell you here since the emails keep being rejected for some strange reason12:24
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Tonio_Riddell: it looks like the first issue with openwengo is getting a tarball.....01:35
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nixternali think konversation needs a new default color scheme in edgy ;)02:05
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TheBearded1_i have a bug to report, and a couple questions about usability02:27
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Tonio_Riddell: kdesu still fails here, even after reinstall kdebase-bin...02:32
Tonio_I just restarted kde to be sure, but it still wants to talk to su02:32
TheBearded1_Tonio_: where can I sign up for kubuntu development?02:34
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TheBearded1_is there any shortage of kubuntu developers?02:34
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Tonio_TheBearded1_: there is no "signup"02:35
Tonio_TheBearded1_: need any info on how it works in fact ?02:35
Tonio_the structure etc ???02:36
TheBearded1_well, i've tried this before and I just couldn't get into it (not I didn't want to, but nobody would let me package anything/touch existing packages)02:39
Tonio_hum, strange02:39
Tonio_okay let's resume the thing02:39
Tonio_everything starts with contribution02:39
Tonio_there is no signup02:39
TheBearded1_but I installed edgy a couple days ago, and I'm really liking what it's shaping up to be02:39
Tonio_you have dozens of way to contribute (packaging, docs, debugging etc...)02:40
TheBearded1_well I'd like to start my contributions by getting knetworkmanager to be a package installed from the very beginning02:40
Tonio_best place if you wanna start is this channel, since you can easilly find people to sponsor your work02:40
Tonio_TheBearded1_: hehe, we'll rediscuss about knetworkmanager :) it is a complicated issue02:40
Tonio_TheBearded1_: when you have done significant contribution, you can apply to become kubuntu-member02:41
TheBearded1_I figured it had atleast discussed before, what was the decision about knetworkmanager, or rather, why was it not decided on, it or some other network manager?02:41
Tonio_TheBearded1_: the problem with knetworkmanager is that all wifi cards linux drivers are not wext compatible02:42
TheBearded1_NetworkManager only has a wext backend?02:42
Tonio_so there are people for which (k)networkmanager don't work, while other tools do02:42
Tonio_TheBearded1_: it uses wpa_supplicant02:43
h3sp4wnwpa_supplicant has multiple backends02:43
Tonio_TheBearded1_: so it has the same limitations, need to be launched with a driver02:43
h3sp4wnIs kde 3.5.5 definately not going to go into edgy ?02:43
Tonio_h3sp4wn: yes, it has, but most of the time wext is used by default if your card isn't support by any other driver02:43
Tonio_h3sp4wn: could be if accepted, we will ask for it to get in02:44
TheBearded1_are newer driver developers not using wext? I mean, who in their right mind wouldn't code a wireless driver against it?02:44
Tonio_TheBearded1_: there is no "work" needed for knetworkmanager to be shiped by default, just that it needs to be discussed and approved02:44
Tonio_TheBearded1_: there is an effort to go to wext for most drivers02:45
TheBearded1_and i'm gonna take a guess and say that a discussion started by a newcomer isn't gonna make it happen :( ?02:45
Tonio_TheBearded1_: I think in the near future, we will ship it by default, but that'll probably wait for networkmanager 0.7, with IP settings support02:45
Tonio_TheBearded1_: not everyone uses dhcp so knetworkmanager isn't the perfect solution at the moment02:45
TheBearded1_is that something being developed upstream right now?02:45
Tonio_TheBearded1_: yes, networkmanager 0.7 is supposed to support this02:46
TheBearded1_release eta?02:46
TheBearded1_in time for edgy?02:46
Tonio_TheBearded1_: I agree to the fact knetworkmanager should at least feet on the cd, if not installed02:46
h3sp4wnWhat is wrong with wpagui ? its qt and small (and written by the people who write wpasupplicant)02:46
Tonio_TheBearded1_: no it'll be in a few month, probably for edgy +102:46
TheBearded1_it's not on by default02:47
TheBearded1_i think the fact that there's not a user friendly way to configure network devices out of the box should be seen as a bug02:47
Tonio_TheBearded1_: edgy is in post beta state now, so appart from essential components like kde, no updates are allowed, only bugfixing02:47
Tonio_TheBearded1_: If I had to choose, I would ship it :) but I am not the only one to decide :)02:47
Tonio_I am only the maintainer of knetworkmanager, but that also includes wpa_supplicant, networkmanager, and I can't decide for those02:48
Tonio_TheBearded1_: what are you interested in concerning kubuntu dev ? packaging, coding, bug fixing ?02:48
TheBearded1_i'd like to do some ui programming02:49
Tonio_TheBearded1_: have some knowledge in QT/kde dev ?02:49
TheBearded1_packaging.........not a big fan of02:49
Tonio_we miss UI developpers02:49
TheBearded1_a lot of c++ experience, and a little qt experience02:50
Tonio_definitly miss, so there are lots of potential work to do if you want to02:50
TheBearded1_but i know how to read api docs :)02:50
Tonio_TheBearded1_: well, that could be interesting02:50
Tonio_TheBearded1_: no new development will be done for edgy now, but will for edgy+102:50
TheBearded1_yeah i understand that02:50
Tonio_and that can be started right now02:51
TheBearded1_if edgy is already locked out for new apps, sounds like it has to in order for a package to make it in02:51
Tonio_examples : better Adept UI, python/kde application to install packages locally like gdebi02:51
TheBearded1_yeah i found an adept bug that i'm not sure has been reported (a bug search for adept was huge)02:51
TheBearded1_I went to install sun-java5-jre through adept the other day02:52
TheBearded1_BIG mistake02:52
Tonio_TheBearded1_: yes, mornfall is developing it, and most of the time, he is here02:52
TheBearded1_it got stuck, because aptitude was waiting for the OK on the license agreement02:52
TheBearded1_so i ended up having to kill adept02:52
Tonio_TheBearded1_: ah you had issues with debconf too ? ;)02:52
Tonio_TheBearded1_: mornfall is searching for help, really02:53
TheBearded1_so i had to kill it, run dpkg --configure -a, unlock a few databases, reinstall a couple packages, then install sun-java5-jre manually02:53
Tonio_TheBearded1_: if you have experience in C++ and are ready to help, adept is probably THE project that currently needs live02:53
Tonio_TheBearded1_: if you feel ready to help on that point, best is to come back tomorow so that we can discuss this with Riddell (kubuntu boss) and mornfall if he is there02:54
Tonio_TheBearded1_: would you be interested in that eventually ?02:54
TheBearded1_I got a sort of pc load letter error here02:55
TheBearded1_when i run apt-get source: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_edgy_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)02:55
TheBearded1_i've ran aptitude update a few times, and jacked with my sources.list, but i can't download package sources because of this02:56
Tonio_hum, never saw that error before....02:56
Tonio_TheBearded1_: tried to remove that file and ran update ?02:56
TheBearded1_"No such file or directory", it doesn't lie02:56
TheBearded1_the file doesn't exist02:57
Tonio_TheBearded1_: probably need to recreate your cache02:57
Tonio_TheBearded1_: sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* && sudo mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial && sudo apt-get update02:58
Tonio_that can help, but I'm unsure02:58
Tonio_TheBearded1_: so, could cotribution to adept improvement be interesting for you somehow ?02:59
TheBearded1_i'd like to help with adept03:00
TheBearded1_i agree that it needs love03:00
TheBearded1_it's pretty minimal03:00
Tonio_mornfall will be happy :)03:00
TheBearded1_i mean, i have a fresh install of edgy here, and i click on add/remove packages: 5 packages show up in adept03:00
Tonio_TheBearded1_: yes, I agree, for example it should be able to repair the problems (lock file) created after a crash, like synaptic does03:00
TheBearded1_and for example03:01
TheBearded1_it just crashed on me03:01
Tonio_TheBearded1_: ahhhhh that's different :)03:01
Tonio_adept installer is just for the most common apps :)03:01
Tonio_I was talking about adept-manager03:01
Tonio_that's the complete one, for advanced users03:01
TheBearded1_common packages == firefox, gaim, menu editor, calculator ??03:01
Tonio_"add/remove programs" is just for your mother03:02
Tonio_TheBearded1_: there are more packages than this03:02
TheBearded1_when i click unsupported packages, well there used to be, now it just crashes03:02
Tonio_you can check "unsuported" and you'll see the full list03:02
TheBearded1_and if i remember right when I click unsupported it shows a bunch of gnome packages03:02
Tonio_TheBearded1_: you can choose between gnome and kde packages03:03
Tonio_but yes that needs improvement too03:03
Tonio_adept is composed of 4 apps :03:03
Tonio_adept-install, that we can call from scripts to install one package03:03
TheBearded1_see this is what i want to be able to do, i don't like coming into channels and bitching, i like coming into channels, bitching, fixing it, and then coming back with a patch03:03
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Tonio_hehe I can understand you on that point03:04
Tonio_the problem is that mornfall is alone to maintain and improve 4 apps.... quite a big job for just a humain personn03:04
Tonio_he his asking for help for month, so if you can do it, he'll be *very* happy03:05
TheBearded1_i got pissed at the ubuntu people because i was like "i wanna help i wanna help", so they sent me to this list of a bunch of crappy programs that hadn't been packaged yet03:05
Tonio_and adept suite is the big thing we have to improve in my opinion03:05
TheBearded1_and I was like but I want to package this, NO NO NO NO ONLY FROM THE LIST03:05
Tonio_TheBearded1_: yes, indeed, concerning a distro, most of the stuff is packaging03:06
Tonio_TheBearded1_: when was it ?03:06
TheBearded1_maybe.....6 months ago, 7 at the most03:06
Tonio_which channel ?03:06
Tonio_that's strange......... unless you came during a special merging or debugging session, I don't see any reason you can't package want you want to....03:07
TheBearded1_don't remember exactly, but i really just got the feeling like i was invading into a bunch of 12 year olds' clubhouse, kind of this do our special handshake or leave thing03:07
Tonio_that's free software ;)03:07
Tonio_TheBearded1_: maybe it was on #ubuntu03:07
Tonio_and yes, most have 12 years old :)03:07
Tonio_on -devel channels, that a bit different03:07
Tonio_well the point is it is 3 am in france, time to bed to me :)03:08
Tonio_TheBearded1_: ready to come backl tomorow so that you can expose your wishes and projects/plans to contribute ?03:08
TheBearded1_what time, err, and what time zone03:08
Tonio_can be interesting03:08
TheBearded1_i can be on, from 8am-5pm Central Timezone US03:09
Tonio_TheBearded1_: when you want, the channel is active between 8 utc to midnight utc03:09
Tonio_that's perfect, I'll be there and most other kubuntu devs too03:09
TheBearded1_france == UTC+2 than right?03:10
Tonio_seya tomorow then :)03:10
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Tm_TRiddell: you've seen last kdesu commit?06:20
Tm_T"add --with-sudo-kdesu-backend configure switch06:28
Tm_Tinstead of hardcoding stuff in a couple of files"06:28
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Tm_Twork ->06:30
nixternalwho broke fglrx again ? grrr06:33
crimsunprobably another missing abi bump?06:34
nixternalso it seems06:36
nixternalshould be fixed soon im guessing06:36
nixternalimbrandon: you see the "kde-look.org" bug pop up today for wallpapers?07:01
imbrandonhuh ? no07:01
imbrandonguess not07:01
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nixternalwell, i marked it duplicate of another ;)07:12
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Hobbseenixternal: heya07:17
nixternalwoohoo...hiya Hobbsee!!!07:18
nixternalg'day mate!07:18
nixternaljust talked to my daughter's god mother and she said that to me07:18
nixternalsays the weather is just lovely in Sydney right now07:18
Hobbseeindeed :)07:19
HobbseeTonio_: how'd the kicker bug go?07:23
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HobbseeTonio_: you're great!  thanks for a working kicker again :D08:03
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imbrandonHobbsee, hows 3.5.508:06
Hobbseeimbrandon: good, except for the kdesu bug.  everything else works, due to tonio.08:08
freeflyingHobbsee: ppc's package are ready?08:08
Hobbseefreeflying: no idea, doubt it08:09
freeflyingHobbsee: thanks :)08:11
imbrandoncool , are Tonio_ packages update on kubuntu.org ?08:15
imbrandonHobbsee, ^^08:15
Hobbseeimbrandon: yep.08:15
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serzholinohi! are there any kubuntu-related mailing listst?09:34
serzholinoon kubuntu.org there is no reference to any09:35
abattoirserzholino: you can find the list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/09:36
serzholinooh, thanks. it would be great if this page be accesible from kubuntu.org too.09:40
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Lurekwwii_: btw, thanks for kdm fix for large fonts!09:47
kwwii_Lure: so it is fixed on your machine?09:48
Lurekwwii_: yep - it looks nice now!09:48
Riddellserzholino: they're listed on the support page, where would you expect them to be listed?09:48
kwwii_Lure: cool, thanks for catching that09:49
Riddellkwwii_: "kubuntu branded kmenu icon" what plans for that?  I've always left the kmenu icon to be just the kde logo to keep upstream branding strong09:49
Lurekwwii_: are powermanager icons now final (the one's in svn)? We will probably need to have another upload soon (if we address KUniqueApplication/dcop issue)09:50
RiddellLure++ that's on my todo but if someone else wants to take it over please do09:50
Riddellit's fiddly though09:50
kwwii_Lure: hehe, actually I started yet another version, but we could use the current ones without major problems, I think09:50
kwwii_Riddell: I know, that is why I waited till the end to make it :-)09:51
LureRiddell: Tonio_ volunteered yesterday09:51
kwwii_Riddell: if we don't use it, it is no big deal in my opinion09:51
kwwii_Riddell: but several people have asked for one09:51
LureRiddell: it would be good if we would at least include it, even if not by default - so people like me can switch to full Kubuntu look ;-)09:52
Riddellkwwii_: if we maintain kubuntu-default-settings in bzr would you use that?  i.e. would it make the process easier than e-mailing/irc pinging me09:52
RiddellLure: oh we'll definately include it09:53
kwwii_Riddell: definitely09:53
RiddellTonio_: ok with us maintaining kubuntu-default-settings in bzr under the kubuntu-members launchpad group?09:54
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imbrandonyea i liek the idea of the kmenu using a logo , as there really isnt any other branding on the desktop09:55
imbrandonbut would be good if its easy to change09:56
imbrandonkwwii_, !!!!!!!!!!1109:56
imbrandonRiddell, sounds good to me ( w.r.t bzr )09:56
Riddellimbrandon: system menu icon has a kubuntu logo on it09:56
kwwii_imbrandon: I think you drank too much mt. dew09:56
imbrandonkwwii_, haha09:56
imbrandonRiddell, it does? heh i never seen that untill now ( screen is too small to really be seen ) heh09:57
RiddellI think I'll have to take lots of irn-bru to the summit so I can wean imbrandon of that mountain dew nonsense09:57
imbrandonwow , i really never did notice that, but it is good to brand kubuntu imho09:57
imbrandonirn-bru ?09:58
kwwii_several people have expressed the desire to see the logo on the wallpaper (which I am totally against)09:58
Riddellkwwii_: what's wrong with logo on wallpaper?09:58
kwwii_so maybe having it in the kmenu would be enough09:58
imbrandonyea i dont like it on the walpaper but the kmenu would be nice as ok we're NOT apple/ms/ubuntu/suse but if you look all of them do it ;)09:59
kwwii_Riddell: well, a) mark says don't do it b) if we use it, it would have to part of the overall design, not just overlayed on an existing design10:00
imbrandoninfact have you seen the new vista start button ? looks ALOT like KDE ( even the windeco looks like dapper crystal )10:00
imbrandonhave a peek http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/vista.jpg10:01
imbrandonno more "start" just a logo like KDE/GNOME/Apple10:01
kwwii_the blue arrows could be from crystal10:02
Riddellthat panel background is a lot like ours10:02
nixternalis it just me, or is vista gaudy as all hell?10:02
imbrandonRiddell, yea thats not the default pannel bg for vista, the normal one is transparent10:03
nixternalthe user image is out of place i think10:03
alleefreeflying: Hi, set's see when one of the pkg-kde admins turns up to add you :)10:03
imbrandonnixternal, thats not the user image, it changes when you hover over an app to the app icon10:03
freeflyingallee: :)10:03
nixternalahh, evern more useless...like the freakin' icon isn't enough10:03
imbrandonyea vista is looking more and more like KDE4 every time i see it10:04
imbrandoneven the address bar, did you notice thats liek the one in KDE4 blogs Riddell10:04
nixternalto me it looks more and more like windows xp with windowblinds10:05
imbrandoni wish i still had that link, it was on p.k.o not to long ago10:05
imbrandonwith the address bar mockup10:06
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nixternalfor a second i thought that garbage can had a kubuntu logo on it10:06
nixternalheh, imbrandon, you know that stupid msa logo everyone has been talking about looking like the ubuntu logo?10:07
imbrandonyes ?10:07
nixternali totally forgot about that...the downers grove office where i was at, that was the main project there...we all had t-shirts with that logo and i totally didn't even catch it10:07
imbrandonand becouse the OS is garbage dosent mean it looks ugly nixternal10:08
nixternalit looks ugly to me ;)10:08
Riddellallee: could you add a pointer to your kde extras team page onto the ubuntuWeeklyNewsletter?10:08
nixternali shouldn't say ugly, because some of the graphics are nice..but that color scheme is horrid, and it looks cluttered10:08
imbrandonnixternal, what they dident look at was that the MSA logo predates ubuntu10:08
nixternali would be closterphobic running that ;)10:09
nixternaloh ya..i worked there from 2002-2005, and that was the logo the entire time10:09
nixternaloh i used to hate those kiosks they had with that too..it had like children of the corn type laughing and giggling 10:10
nixternalfreaky stuff10:10
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imbrandonHobbsee, [02:57]  <Riddell> I think I'll have to take lots of irn-bru to the summit so I can wean imbrandon of that mountain dew nonsense10:11
HobbseeRiddell: sounds good.10:11
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nixternalhrmm...is that the iron stuff?  my x-wife talked about some funky drink before and it sounds familiar10:13
kwwii_Riddell loves it10:13
kwwii_it tastes like a mt dew which someone put a nail in weeks before, if you ask me :-)10:14
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nixternalya, that is the iron stuff then10:15
nixternalthat is the exact phrase i think my x said as well10:15
nixternalim actually drinking mt. dew now, only cuz i ran out of dr. pepper10:16
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imbrandonhum Riddell you know about these qt/non-qt plugins stuff in qt4 ?10:18
imbrandonerr 4.210:18
imbrandonquote "Qt 4.2 allows developers to create Qt plug-ins for use with non-Qt applications."10:18
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nixternalg'nite all!10:22
imbrandongnight nixternal10:22
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Riddellimbrandon: nope10:24
imbrandonahh okies, i was just reading the release feature10:25
windshearIf you use the install script in kubuntu 6.10 life cd and you have entered all the requested data you get to the -Ready to install- screen. This shows you the summary of the necessary info you provided to install kubuntu. (Language, Keyboard layout... till grub).10:25
windshearThen there is a note: If you continue, the changes listed below will be written to the disks. [...] 10:25
windshearBut unfortunately there are no changes listed below eventhough I told the script to format 2 partitions.10:25
windshearIn 6.06 the changes were listed correctly.10:25
Riddellwindshear: I've seen that, I'll make sure to investigate it before RC10:26
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Hobbseedo we really have a meeting tomorrow? well, your today?10:27
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imbrandonbout ~12 hours10:28
RiddellHobbsee: yes, afraid so10:28
HobbseeRiddell: right...10:28
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Riddellnot unless you have stuff on the agenda10:29
Hobbseeright.  1 agenda item.  poor.10:29
Hobbseefrom Tonio_, not from myself10:29
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windshearRiddell tanks,   so is it gui only? I mean does it format the right partitions?10:30
Hobbseeapart from that10:30
Riddellwindshear: it does format them yes.  it's curious because the message displays correctly on powerpc.  I'm curious to know if ubuntu/i386 has the same problem10:30
windshearRiddell I could try it - if you want me to do it-10:32
Riddellwindshear: please, that would be very useful10:32
windshearRiddell ok, but it takes me some time10:33
kwwii_http://sinecera.de <--the first version of the basic layout for my new site...ideas?10:36
Riddellkwwii_: looks totally lovely 10:37
kwwii_Riddell: thanks :-)10:38
imbrandonkwwii_, looks good man10:38
kwwii_Riddell: I thought about adding a discussion about the final graphics to the meeting tonight...get a feeling for what is the most important stuff to still include, as well as discuss the website graphics10:40
kwwii_sound like a good idea or a waste of time?10:41
Riddellkwwii_: sounds good10:42
windshearRiddell yes the problem is also in ubuntu 6.10 beta11:03
Riddellwindshear: yay!  means it's not my fault :)11:04
Riddellwindshear: file a bug on ubiquity then, kamion is usually pretty responsive11:04
windshearhm, where?11:05
windshearik, thx11:08
windshearso i report it as a bug in the ubiquity package11:09
windshearok, reported, its bug  Bug #6414211:11
UbugtuMalone bug 64142 in ubiquity "installer - ready to install- screen incomplete" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6414211:11
windshearbut there is another bug in the kubuntu installer that is not present in ubuntu11:12
Riddellwhat's that?11:13
windshearif I select "manually partition table" i get to a screen I can see all the partitions on the harddisk11:13
windshearI have the following partition table:11:13
windshear/dev/sda1 ntfs11:14
windshear/dev/sda2 extended11:14
windshear/dev/sda5 ntfs in extended11:15
windshear/dev/sda3 ext311:15
windshear/dev/sda4 linux-swap11:15
windshearno wait11:23
windshearits correct11:24
windsheari was confused because of the numbers in front of the partition11:24
windshearthey don't match the partition number11:25
windshearby the way Riddell, what do you need the partition mumber for11:25
windshearubuntu doesn't even display the numbers11:26
sebasRiddell: Do you have unfilled proposals dor SoC?11:29
sebasI'm looking for project proposals for CodeYard students11:30
Riddellwindshear: doesn't display where?11:30
Riddellsebas: yep11:30
sebasplzsendme! :>11:30
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Riddellsebas: various things in umbrello.  kde version of onboard, port ubiquity to qt 4, port dist-upgrade tool and gdebi to kde11:47
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sebasRiddell: Can I have those proposals, so I present them to our students?11:52
sebasMaybe someone wants to work on them11:52
Riddellsebas: I'll write you an e-mail when I get a minute11:52
sebasRiddell: Cool11:52
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Riddellkwwii_: if you're interested, this is going to be the debian wallpaper http://cdd.debian-br.org/~si0ux/artwork/debian/wallpapers/01.png12:36
kwwii_Riddell: hrm, the logo would look better if it was actually on the velvety background instead of overlayed12:38
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windshearRiddell on the prepare partitions page01:23
Riddellwindshear: what about it?01:30
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raphinkKubuntu Default Settings is now being maintained in bzr with write01:40
raphinkaccess to anyone in kubuntu-members.01:40
raphinkRiddell: does that mean people who are not developers can modify the package now?01:40
Riddellraphink: yes, e.g. kwwii_ 01:41
Riddellraphink: obviously they can't upload, only core-dev can do that01:41
raphinkso the dput will only work for core-dev01:41
Riddellraphink: and if anyone makes any stupid changes we throw them out of kubuntu-members (or just revert and slap wrist)01:41
Riddellraphink: of course01:41
raphinkhmm I see the point01:41
raphinkcan be interesting01:41
Riddellyes, it's an experiment :)01:42
raphinkis this part of the NoMoreSourcePackages experiment?01:43
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Riddellraphink: its half way there, the other half I believe is to get rid of dput and have a button on launchpad saying "make this bzr archive into an ubuntu package now"01:45
Riddellwhich is a lot less hassle than having essentially two revision control systems (archive and bzr)01:45
imbrandonRiddell, you ever compile gcc ?01:47
imbrandonknow how i can make it NOT try to strip the binarys when making the debs ?01:47
imbrandon( even if its only for me localy )01:48
Riddellgcc doesn't make debs01:48
imbrandonno no , making "gcc debs"01:48
imbrandonnot gcc to make debs01:48
Riddelloh, no idea01:48
Riddelldoko's area01:48
imbrandone.g. /usr/bin/strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `debian/lib64gcc1-powerpc-cross/usr/powerpc-linux-gnu/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1'01:48
imbrandonahh ok01:49
imbrandoni'll poke him01:49
imbrandoni'm like <--> this close to have my i386 pbuilder cross compiling for ppc debs01:49
imbrandonheh if i can fix that one error01:49
imbrandonso " pbuilder-edgy-ppc build *.dsc " will work or s/ppc/x86/g etc ;)01:50
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mhbgood afternoon01:54
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imbrandonheya mhb01:57
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Riddellanyone tried printing with kde 3.5.5?02:03
imbrandonRiddell, nope but i'm gonna install it this afternoon on the amd6402:04
imbrandonso i will try then02:04
mhbI can test it today as well02:04
freeflyingppc's packages avaliable?02:05
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imbrandonit dont think so yet freeflying02:11
Riddellfreeflying: I'm afraid not02:11
imbrandonif Riddell says there wont be any changes to the packages today ( with reasonable doubt ) i can start builds on my ibook02:11
imbrandonit will take most of the day to compile though as its slow ;)02:11
Riddellshouldn't be any changes02:12
imbrandonyou dont happen to have a list of the source packages handy so i dont have to rummage the pool do you ? hehe02:13
imbrandonRiddell, ^^02:13
Riddellarts     kdeaccessibility  kdeadmin    kdebase      kdeedu    kdegraphics  kdemultimedia  kdepim  kdetoys   kdevelop kdeaddons         kdeartwork  kdebindings  kdegames  kdelibs      kdenetwork     kdesdk  kdeutils  kdewebdev02:14
imbrandonsweet you rock02:14
imbrandonfreeflying, i'll start the builds now and ping you and Riddell when they are done02:14
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freeflyingimbrandon: need I build some for u? :)02:19
imbrandonif you wish, will get it done faster ( but do it in a clean edgy pbuilder so we can put it on kubuntu.org )02:20
imbrandonand let me know what ones you start so we dont do the same ones ;)02:21
imbrandonwell actualy02:21
imbrandonthe more i think about it that wont work02:21
imbrandonbecouse you have to have the basepackages02:21
imbrandonso i'll just do them , but thanks anyhow02:22
Riddellthey need to be build together02:22
imbrandonit wont take tooo long02:22
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imbrandoni just realized that after i said it02:22
imbrandonso i'll just do them all02:22
imbrandon;) thansk for the thought thoguh02:22
Riddellraphink: hmm, another sidebar02:22
freeflyingRiddell: can we add another package to desktop-cd?02:22
raphinkhmm sorry wrong channel indeed02:23
raphink anyone has seen/worked on http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14779 ?02:23
Riddellfreeflying: what is it?02:23
raphinkyes Riddell, but it can be interesting02:23
raphinkif it's well integrated02:23
freeflyingRiddell: scim-pinyin02:23
Riddellfreeflying: that should be added to language-support-zh dependencies02:24
Riddellfreeflying: actually it's already there02:24
freeflyingraphink: it has deb package 02:24
raphinkyes freeflying02:24
windshearok i'm now fully back02:25
windshearalways these interruptions...02:25
freeflyingRiddell: I see, but if the cd space permitted, will u add this, then guys using zh_CN can input in livecd02:25
Riddellfreeflying: if CD space permits yes, but I doubt we will have enough space02:26
raphinkfreeflying: doesn' tseem to be a valid deb02:26
freeflyingraphink: ok, I'd like package it02:27
freeflyingRiddell: thanks  :)02:27
windshearRiddell: in the kubuntu installer on the prepare partitions screen, in the first row called numbers, the found paritions are numbered.02:27
raphinkfreeflying: do you want to contact the dev?02:27
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windshearWhat are these numbers good for because they don't necessary match the partition number02:27
freeflyingraphink: ya, maybe i need send out a ITP  :)02:27
windshearand this can be quite confusing02:28
raphinkthere's no ITP/RFP yet02:28
windshearin my case /dev/sda5 has number 0302:28
freeflyingraphink: ok,02:28
freeflyingwindshear: maybe you'd read the man of fstab02:28
imbrandonwindshear, normaly sdaX where X is the order it was created in and the 03 is the actual order on the physical drive02:29
windsheari know where these numbers come from02:29
imbrandone.g 01 can be /dev/hda2 and 02 can be /dev/hda1 if dev/hda2 is the first on the physical hdd02:29
imbrandonand the first partition was put at the end of the drive02:30
imbrandonwhen it was made etc etc etc02:30
windshearbut do you actually need the numbers how they are on the drive02:30
windsheari find it quite confusing02:30
windshearjust displaying /dev/sda3 would be enough i think02:31
freeflyingraphink: you know the author of konqburn?02:31
windshearanyway ubuntu does it this way02:31
windshearok, its just an idea to make it more user friendly...02:32
imbrandonall linux does it this way ;)02:32
raphinklet's switch to the grub way everywhere!02:32
Riddellwindshear: you mean on the qtparted page or the page after that?02:34
windsheari mean step 5 of 6 in the installer script02:34
windshearif i select manually create partition table02:35
Riddellsounds like qtparted page, in which case yes qtparted is silly02:36
Riddellimbrandon: since you have an amd64 you could try these qt4 packages http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/qt4/02:37
Riddelljust incase you're looking for things to do :)02:37
imbrandonRiddell, sure02:37
imbrandonjust install them ?02:37
Riddellimbrandon: yes, and test some qt4 apps02:37
windsheari don't know how to find out the name of the page... there isn't displayed anything02:38
windshearperhaps its also just me getting confused about this... anyway now i know not to look at the wrong numbers :)02:39
Riddellwindshear: does it have a toolbar and stuff to format partitions, or does it have dropdown boxes to assign mount points to paths?02:39
windshearit has toolbars to format, partition, resize...02:40
windshearnot the one with the mount points02:41
raphinkRiddell: do we keep the .bzr dirs in the package?02:41
raphinkfor k-d-s02:41
Riddellok, so yes qtparted is crap, known issue02:41
Riddellraphink: up to you really, I don't mind either way02:41
windshearhm, ok then :)02:41
raphinkI do Riddell02:42
raphinkthe .bzr dir is 11MB02:42
Riddellwindshear: we were going to get rid of qtparted for edgy, but it'll be edgy+1 now02:42
raphinkmore than the size of the package itself02:42
raphinkI think if we keep the package in bzr02:42
raphinkwe need to have a clean rule that removes the .bzr dir02:42
raphinkotherwise our packages will be more than twice bigger02:42
raphinkjust as we remove the cvs and svn dirs02:43
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windshearko now a completely different question02:45
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windshearis the sound system different on ubuntu and kubuntu?02:45
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windshearI have an AC97 audio chipset and in kubuntu 6.06 and ubuntu 6.10 beta it works with no problems02:46
Riddellwindshear: yes, at various levels02:46
serzholinofusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory02:46
serzholinohow can i create this /dev/fuse ?02:46
Riddellserzholino: wrong channel?02:46
windshearIn kubuntu 6.10 beta my "c-media AC97 Audio Device" does not work anymore.02:46
windshearI keep on getting the following error message: Sound server fatal error: CPU overload, aborting02:46
serzholinoRiddell: why? this is in kubuntu 6.0602:47
windshearif i manually select 'open sound system' everything is ok02:47
windshear-but why can't the system correctly detect it automatically any more?02:47
serzholinoin 5.10 fusermount worked well02:47
imbrandonserzholino, try #kubuntu for support02:48
serzholinosomething udev related maybe?02:48
serzholinoimbrandon: no response02:48
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serzholinoon #kubuntu02:48
mhbserzholino: sudo modoprobe fuse02:48
mhbserzholino: sorry, "sudo modprobe fuse"02:49
serzholinooh, yes, works now :) thanks a lot02:49
mhbserzholino: then the device should work fine (and yes, this is a wrong channel, next time you should go to #kubuntu)02:50
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serzholinook, sorry02:50
Tonio_hi ! 02:54
Tonio_Riddell: concerning kubuntu-default-settings in bzr.... why not ;)02:54
RiddellTonio_: too late, already done it :)02:55
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Tonio_Riddell: hehe, when will that change ? for edgy+1 I assume ?02:55
Tonio_Hobbsee: hey ;)02:55
imbrandonTonio_, now 02:55
Hobbseehey Tonio_.  you fixed it!  :)02:55
Tonio_Hobbsee: true :)02:55
Tonio_Riddell: talking about fixes, kdesu still fails here02:56
RiddellTonio_: sure you have latest kdelibs4c2a and kdebase-bin?  the version numbers didn't change so you'll need to wget && dpkg --install02:56
Tonio_I did --reinstall, but maybe I miss kdelibs4c2a02:57
Riddelland run kdesu from the command line, else it'll go through kdeinit and get the old libraries02:57
Tonio_my apt config really does strange things with its cache...02:59
windsheari dont know how the sound detection works, but i thought it would be done by the kernel, thats why i was surprised that it works in ubuntu and not in kubuntu02:59
Tonio_windshear: indeed, there is no reason that kubuntu reacts differently03:00
Riddellwindshear: where do you get that error?03:00
Hobbseewindshear: is pcm muted in kmix, by any chance?03:00
windshearin kde03:00
Tonio_Riddell: okay, works, was due to apt cache once again...03:00
Riddellwindshear: what happens if you run artsd from the command line?03:01
windshearwhen it has finished launching kde it freezes for 5 sec, then gives me this overload message03:01
windshearif i manually select 'open sound system' everything is ok03:01
HobbseeRiddell: nice.  kdesu works now.03:02
Hobbseeadept comes up really quickly now too, yay03:03
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Tonio_of Riddell I discussed with a guy that night, that has free time and would like to code on kubuntu03:04
windshearRiddell I tried to run artsd, i get the following: there are already artsd objects registered, looking if they are active......    cpu overload, aborting03:04
Riddellwindshear: so arts is broken for you03:05
Tonio_he uses C++ for a very long time and has some knowledge in kde/qt... so I talked him about adept, since mornfall wants some help03:05
Riddellwindshear: which is strange since I have an AC97 too03:05
Tonio_he should come back today to rediscuss this with us03:05
RiddellTonio_: cool03:05
windshearit is a c-media AC97 Audio device03:06
windshearand always worked with linux before03:06
Riddellwindshear: try the kde 3.5.5 packages?03:07
Riddellmaybe arts there fixes it03:07
windshearso ubuntu does not use artsd?03:08
Riddellno, gnome uses esd03:09
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mhbTm_T: moin03:15
windsheari'll do a full system update, this perhaps already fixes it03:15
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gnomefreakis there a link that shows the difference betweet server kernel and reg. kernels?03:18
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jdonggnomefreak: diff the config files?03:18
gnomefreakk ty03:18
windshearRiddell by the way it would be nice to have a button in the installer where you can select if it should try to connect to the internet03:19
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Riddellwindshear: why?03:21
windshearin my case the pc is connected to lan but no direct internet connection is avaliable03:21
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windshearso the setup always hangs at: scanning for mirrors03:21
Riddellah, hmm03:23
windsheari have to pull the lan plug before starting my pc so that it doesn't get an ip03:23
Riddellfile a bug 03:23
windshearif it has no ip, it just says no internet, comments out all the apt servers and continues03:23
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windshearthis problem already existed in 6.06 dapper03:24
Hobbseesebas: you around?03:26
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sebasHobbsee: y03:27
sebasBut I might be in a meeting in two minutes03:27
Hobbseesebas: in g-p-m, why's the about button right next to the OK button?  i keep hitting it instead of OK?03:27
Hobbseesebas: isnt a more sensible place to put it in the other corner, or something?03:27
Hobbseeim' sure el would say something about it :P03:27
sebasHobbsee: Probably yes, but I think it's a problem of KAboutDialog03:28
TheBearded1_is the developer of adept-manager around?03:28
sebasI'll check when I have my notebook handy03:28
Tonio_hi TheBearded1 ;)03:28
Hobbseesebas: ahh okay.03:28
sebasIf I forget, ping me, please03:28
Hobbseesebas: sure03:28
sebasTheBearded1_: nope03:28
Tonio_TheBearded1: mornfall isn't there but Riddell is03:28
sebasIt's mornfall, AFAIK03:28
HobbseeTheBearded1_: mornfall?  seems not03:28
Tonio_Riddell: TheBearded1 is the guy I told you about03:28
Tonio_hey sebas :)03:29
sebasHey Tonio_ 03:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about meeting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:29
Tonio_!lastseen mornfall03:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lastseen mornfall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:29
Hobbsee!seen mornfall03:29
ubotumornfall is on IRC right now!03:29
Tonio_grmpf..... we need an eggdrop here03:30
Hobbsee[23:30]  [Whois]  mornfall is a user on channels: #kde-devel03:30
Tonio_Hobbsee: thanks :) I forgot lastseen wasn't supported03:30
HobbseeTonio_: :)03:30
imbrandonRiddell, 03:30
imbrandonUnpacking libqt4-debug (from libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...03:30
imbrandondpkg: error processing libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--install):03:30
imbrandon trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQt3Support.so.4.2.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-qt3support03:30
HobbseeTonio_: also /msg seenserv seen mornfall works too03:30
Tonio_Hobbsee: hu ? he blacklisted kubuntu-devel or ?03:30
Tonio_Hobbsee: interesting03:30
Tonio_TheBearded1_ you probably can contact him on #kde-devel then03:31
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Tonio_my god.... wengophone source is 7500 folders, 33000 files........03:38
Tonio_5 times more than kdebase....03:38
Tonio_I really would lke to wait for debian to package it and then sync ;)03:39
Tm_Tyeah, I once tried compile it from cvs(?)03:39
Tonio_but I promissed to do it03:39
Tonio_Tm_T: it is a mess isn't it ? ;)03:39
RiddellTonio_: do wengo provide .debs?03:39
Tm_Tit was, no idea what it is nowadays03:39
Tonio_Riddell: yes, but no source packages, not even a tarball03:39
Tonio_I asked them why and it seems they just didn't even think about it......03:39
Tonio_they just say "then use svn"03:40
RiddellTonio_: did they think about it after you asked?03:40
Tonio_stupid....... tarball is usefull because it is stable03:40
RiddellTonio_: oh, so there's no source package at all?03:40
Tonio_Riddell: yes, they think about it03:40
Riddellwonder how GPL compliant that is03:40
Tonio_we were several people saying that on the channel, so we'll discuss this on their ML03:40
Tonio_Riddell: well technically, if they provide a deb, but no source package, that's a gpl violation afaik03:41
Tonio_all you have if svn access03:41
HobbseeTonio_: stevenk's already playing with wengophone03:42
Tonio_Hobbsee: from debian ?03:43
Tonio_don't know this guy03:43
HobbseeTonio_: i think he was fixing the bugs in it.  ask him in -motu if you want03:43
HobbseeTonio_: in ubuntu03:43
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Tonio_how can a softphone be 538MB big (svn sources) ? that's completly stupid03:48
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TheBearded1Tonio_: being cross-platform, do they implement video encoding and such things on their own?03:51
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aeigis there a big bug in the monitor & display module in system settings on edgy?03:52
Tonio_TheBearded1 yes they do, but honnesly, I never saw something that messy03:52
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Tonio_aeig: works for me, but several people reported it failed launching03:52
aeigchanges made in none administrator mode wouldn't be stored03:52
aeigchange something in administrator mode results in a destroyed xorg.conf03:52
Tonio_aeig: better talk with _Sime, he's docing this03:53
freeflyingraphink: do u need konqburn now?03:55
aeig_Sime: here?03:55
raphinknope freeflying03:55
raphinkjust think it could be nice03:55
freeflyingbut universe is freeze, or I can upload soon :)03:56
raphinkuniverse is frozen03:56
raphinkbut it could be for edgy+103:56
raphinkif the dev wants to take care of it03:57
raphinkit can be a good idea to talk with him now03:57
raphinkto have it on revu03:57
Tm_Twhat's situation with kdesu?04:00
Tm_Twhat version of what package I should have then04:00
Tm_Tstill broken here04:01
Tm_Tkdebase/edgy uptodate 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu104:02
raphinkthese are not official packages though04:03
imbrandonthat version but you might need to wget it and reinstall it manualy04:03
Tm_Taah, I see, then no prob, I do that :)04:04
imbrandonRiddell, did you see my qt4 thing from above ?04:04
Riddellimbrandon: nope04:05
imbrandon[08:30]  <imbrandon> Riddell, 04:07
imbrandon[08:30]  <imbrandon> Unpacking libqt4-debug (from libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...04:07
imbrandon[08:30]  <imbrandon> dpkg: error processing libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--install):04:07
imbrandon[08:30]  <imbrandon> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQt3Support.so.4.2.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-qt3support04:07
Riddelloh, blurg04:07
HawkwindIs there an Edgy repo that we can test kde 3.5.5 yet ?04:08
Riddelldeb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main04:08
Riddellnote hat it's top secret04:08
HawkwindRiddell: Thanks.  Going to test it now04:08
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Tm_THawkwind: what's your name?04:08
HawkwindTm_T: I don't know :P04:09
Tm_Tthat's my boy ;)04:09
RiddellTm_T: launchpad knows all04:10
imbrandon*cough*Cliff Wade*cough*04:10
imbrandonnetsol.com/whois knows too ;)04:10
Hawkwindimbrandon: Hah!04:11
imbrandonHawkwind, just fyi too it took 1and1 2 weeks of dragging their feet torelease the domain after the fax of cancleing 04:15
imbrandonso when you switch give it plenty of time04:16
Hawkwindimbrandon: Ah thanks.  I was wondering about that.  I've got about 2 months til I have to worry about it04:16
Tm_Tweird, my settings isn't applied thru kdesu04:16
RiddellTm_T: they won't be, since it's run as root04:16
Tm_Tbut, err04:16
Tonio_imbrandon: how about kds and the alternatives thing ?04:16
imbrandone.g goto custom dns and point the domain to dh and make sure it proigates BEFOER you cancle )04:17
Tm_TI'm almost sure it did04:17
Tonio_imbrandon: another bug has been reported about this04:17
imbrandonTonio_, i didnet finish it, i'll do that now04:17
Tonio_imbrandon: bug  6417504:17
UbugtuMalone bug 64175 in kubuntu-default-settings "[edgy]  reverts to kubuntu's usplash at each upgrade" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6417504:17
Tonio_imbrandon: just fyi so that you can close the bug ;)04:17
Hawkwindimbrandon: Yeah my DNS is all handled with domainordering.com actually so I don't have to rely on my webhosts to have the options or whatever04:17
imbrandonanyone have dapper handy ?04:28
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TheBearded1it probably is xine's fault04:33
imbrandondid you file a bug in kde bts?04:33
jdongimbrandon: that hairy thing? :)04:33
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imbrandonthat hary thing gives you the right to complain, other wise shush04:33
jdongI'm not complaining... I said I was amused04:34
TheBearded1jdong: internet explorer can't handle 302's on url's set from within javascript 04:34
jdongcomplaining is when my ICH8 SATA does not work on Edgy04:34
jdongHINT HINT04:34
imbrandonwrong chanell HINT HINT ;P04:34
jdongimbrandon: I already bitched in the other channel this morning :)04:34
imbrandonother channel ? that would imply this would be correct too <grin>04:35
imbrandonclearly false heh04:35
jdongwell.. it affects kubuntu too :P04:35
jdongfinding my hard drive might help towards loading kdm04:36
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HawkwindRiddell: If you're around trappist is around as well if you'd like to or need to speak to him about the ops thing04:57
RiddellI've opped him05:05
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Hobbseenight all05:06
imbrandongnight Hobbsee05:06
HawkwindRiddell: Many thanks :)05:08
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jdong_Sime: poke05:39
jdong_Sime: unpoke05:39
gnomefreakamarok can be used with ipod? and some sort of "itunes?05:43
Tonio_gnomefreak: yes and no05:46
Tonio_it can be used with ipod, but does not stand as an "itunes like"05:46
gnomefreakah ok05:46
Tonio_you can only manage files in the ipod, that's all05:46
Tonio_Riddell: shoudn't we ship an email notification system with kubuntu ?05:50
Tonio_I miss that sometimes :)05:50
RiddellTonio_: notification of what?05:50
gnomefreakemail notification?05:50
Tonio_Riddell: email notification05:52
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Tonio_it checks the mails in the background and when new mails are there, you get an icon in the systray05:52
Tonio_better than starting kontact everytime to check........ at least in my opinion05:52
sistpotyhi folks05:53
gnomefreaksupport multiple email boxes please :(05:53
Tonio_that's very usefull for people that don't receive a lot of emails05:53
marseillaiTonio_: kmail 05:53
RiddellTonio_: sounds like your want a watching feature in ksystemlog05:53
Tonio_marseillai: kmail can't do that afaik05:53
Tonio_Riddell: hum I don't see the point with ksystemlog ?05:53
marseillaieuh it stay in systray and show umber of unread mail05:53
Tonio_marseillai: but you can't configure it to "open reduced", so that you have to launch it first05:54
Tonio_marseillai: the point a real email notification client is a daemon05:54
RiddellTonio_: you want a feature in ksystemlog that monitors the log files for important stuff and gives you a notification05:54
Tonio_marseillai: close kmail and it doesn't work anymore, that's why email notification clients exist :)05:55
Tonio_Riddell: no, you missunderstoof me05:55
marseillaiTonio_: oki! perhaps it could be better to ask a feature for kmail : hide icon when no new mail or something similar ?05:55
Tonio_Riddell: I want an app, like kded daemon, that checks for my mails and popups me when new mails are available05:55
pascalFRmarseillai: already present05:55
Tonio_I didn't found a way to do that with kmail05:56
RiddellTonio_: no you don't, since ubuntu doesn't e-mail anything05:56
Riddelloh, you mean general e-mails05:56
Tonio_Riddell: AHHHHHHHHHHHH ! ;)05:56
RiddellI misunderstood, appologies05:56
Tonio_yes, I'm talking about an "email notification client"05:57
Tonio_but in general05:57
marseillaiTonio_: "configurer kmail -> apparence -> boite a miniatures -> n'afficher kmail que s'il y a des messages non lu" it's not what you want ?05:57
Tonio_marseillai: let me check05:57
pascalFRmarseillai: that's what I said05:57
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Tonio_I'm sure that's not that05:58
RiddellTonio_: investigate korn05:58
marseillaipascalFR: i didn't know i've just find that! it must be recent feature05:58
pascalFRmarseillai: yeah just one year ago ;)05:58
marseillaioki pascalFR ....05:58
pascalFRmarseillai: dont be :)05:58
Tonio_marseillai, pascalFR: okay it works, but will that restart automatically with a kde session05:58
Tonio_doesn't that need to launch kmail manually the first time ,05:59
pascalFRTonio_: as long as kontact is running when u stop kde   yes05:59
marseillaiTonio_: just launch kmail at start05:59
pascalFRkontact / kmail is part of session05:59
Tonio_marseillai: yes but I want to avoid that05:59
pascalFRTonio_: avoid what ?05:59
Tonio_pascalFR: having to unsure kontact/kmail is launched when I stop06:00
marseillaiTonio_: it would need a "start on start-up" feature for kmail06:00
Tonio_pascalFR: a "real" email notification client is a daemon06:00
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pascalFRTonio_: yes of course   but this one is integrated to kmail only when it is running06:00
pascalFRthat's the main problem of too much integration06:01
pascalFRidem for akregator notif06:01
Tonio_pascalFR: hum, the other point is I'm getting a systray icon even when I don't have unread messages, as long as kontact is closed06:01
pascalFRTonio_: marseillai has found the option for that06:02
Tonio_pascalFR: yes, but it respects your choices only when kontact is opened :)06:02
Tonio_close kontact/kmail, and you get the icon everytime06:02
Tonio_marseillai: can you confirm this ?06:02
pascalFRTonio_: I find thius icon practical because cliking on it allows  to  hide/show kontact  and send msg etc06:02
Tonio_pascalFR: yes I agree on that point06:03
marseillaiTonio_: no if i close kmail icon disappear06:03
Tonio_marseillai: hu ?06:03
pascalFRTonio_: you are true  if kontact is stopped  u have no more notification06:03
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=== marseillai never use kontact and run kmail as standalone
pascalFRthere is no difference I think marseillai06:04
pascalFRthe kmail icon is just a RUNNING indicator06:04
pascalFRthat can change on no read emails06:04
Tonio_hum, marseillai it looks like your right06:04
marseillaias usual Tonio_ ........ :p06:04
Tonio_pascalFR: in fact I choosed to hide icon and that works pretty nicelly06:05
Tonio_let's wait for a mail to come....06:05
pascalFRTonio_:  yes but kmail is still running06:05
Tonio_pascalFR: yes06:05
pascalFRok :)06:05
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Tonio_so it is possible to configure it as a notification client06:05
Tonio_now the question is what happens if I logout/login06:05
pascalFRif will still be there06:06
pascalFRas long as kmail runs when you logout06:06
marseillaii'm not sure06:06
pascalFRI am06:06
pascalFRI do that everyday06:06
marseillaipascalFR: i don't use restore seesion06:06
marseillaiso it'll not start06:06
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TheBearded1you have to have it autoatically save your session when you logout06:06
marseillaii launch it with ~/.kde/Autostart06:07
pascalFRand since kmail freeze a lot when reading mails I delayed first auto retrieving of mails06:07
pascalFRmarseillai: yes  session or autostart06:07
pascalFRsessions now start very fast on edgy06:08
sistpotyTonio_: I've been playing with kubuntu-default-settings a little bit... imo it shouldn't ship /.hidden and /media/.hidden in the package, as an admin might want to modify them (and thus these would just get overwritten)06:08
sistpotyTonio_: I've already patched the package to put these to /etc/kubuntu-default-settings and create symlinks instead... what do you think?06:09
Tonio_sistpoty: hum, that can be said for any file in fact06:09
Tonio_sistpoty: that's interesting indeed06:09
Tonio_sistpoty: did you upload that to bzr ?06:09
pascalFRwow since last edgy update I cannot open dirs on konqueror06:10
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sistpotyTonio_: I'm not in kubuntu-devel... I'm just pushing to tiber (will take some more minutes I guess *g*)06:10
Tonio_sistpoty: can you send me your modifications ?06:10
pascalFRclicking on dirs start kaffeine !? :D06:10
Tonio_pascalFR: hu ?????????06:10
sistpotyTonio_: ok... will do a debdiff06:10
pascalFRsomething weid with file assos06:10
pascalFRwhere should I look?06:11
Tonio_pascalFR: remove ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror06:11
Tonio_pascalFR: something going wrong there probably06:11
pascalFRsaving my bookmarks and cookies !06:11
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pascalFRis it normal to have lots of *.new files in ~/.kde/share/config/ ?06:13
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RiddellpascalFR: I have plenty06:19
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sistpotyTonio_: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/kubuntu-default-settings.debdiff06:19
pascalFRhumm file assos for inode/directory is now kaffeine by default !06:19
pascalFRit worked this morning06:20
pascalFRi just did an upgrade one hour ago06:20
Riddellsistpoty: why are symlinks better than files?06:22
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tomapascalFR: kaffeine not starting?06:22
sistpotyRiddell: if I change the files locally, these will just get overwritten with the next version of the package... 06:22
sistpotyRiddell: however being in /etc, these are treated as conffiles06:23
Riddellwin 1106:23
pascalFRtoma: yes  not starting06:24
pascalFRkaffeine is now the first choice in file assos06:24
pascalFRkonqueror the second06:25
tomapascalFR: i spotted a debian report for that as well, iirc it is forwarded upstream06:25
imbrandonRiddell, w00t we have dedicated guineypigs^Wtesters in #kubuntu-testers now ;)06:25
Riddellimbrandon: that's rather exciting06:25
tomapascalFR: oh, that i dont know06:25
pascalFRand this happens just after kubuntu-defauts-setting as been updated ... 06:25
pascalFRvery strange06:26
pascalFRi cannot be the only one in this case06:26
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Tonio_sistpoty: why .PHONY: install clean build ?06:28
sistpotyTonio_: these targets don't create any files called install/clean or build?... then these are phony targetes06:28
sistpotyTonio_: but that's just asthethics w.o. real impact ;)06:29
imbrandonRiddell / sistpoty , i think the bug number in that changelog is wrong too06:29
Tonio_sistpoty: okay, I'm testing and comitting if that works, thanks !06:29
sistpotyTonio_: cool, thanks06:29
RiddellTonio_: if you're doing k-d-s you can remove the dep on lipstick as well if we've changed to plastik06:29
sistpotyimbrandon: /me looks06:29
marseillaiTonio_: kxmame problem is solve?06:29
Tonio_Riddell: heh, indeed, I forgot that :)06:30
sistpotyimbrandon: right... type here :)06:30
Tonio_marseillai: nope, that's a bit complicated in fact...06:30
pascalFRii  kubuntu-default-set 6.10-53 06:31
Tonio_marseillai: will requires a new version build, and as the app is now unmaintained, I wonder if that's necessary...06:31
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sistpotyTonio_: the bugnumber should be 6304806:31
RiddellTonio_: and remember to do it in the bzr archive :)06:31
Tonio_Riddell: I just finished cleaning the sources....06:31
marseillaiTonio_: is there a replacement for this package ?06:31
Tonio_Riddell: for openwengo.... still 130 MB06:31
Tonio_marseillai: don't think so, but xmame as its own gui06:32
Tonio_sistpoty: will correct the bug number too, thanks (klipper funky sometimes)06:32
imbrandondid anyone make a debian/rule to rm -rf the .bzr ? and what about upgrades for people that have .hidden already in / ?06:32
sistpotyimbrandon: it will get removed if the old package is removed... then the new package's postinst will create the symlinks to the correct files06:33
imbrandonremoved yes, but replaced ?06:34
imbrandonor both06:34
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imbrandonheya \sh06:34
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\shhmm...why doesn't  cdrecord has the permissions to burn a cd via k3b?06:36
\shedgy that is06:36
Tonio_\sh: isn't that done ? I asked for the same thing a moment ago and I was told it was resolved in edgy06:37
\shTonio_: hmm...I should wait for my dist-upgrade ,)06:37
Tonio_\sh: hehe06:38
\shthe other thing is, shouldn't we have  smp kernels in edgy by default, even for desktop installs?06:38
sistpotyimbrandon: it's s.th. like that: old package get's uninstalled, removing /.hidden (since it was in the package). new package get's unpacked with /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root. upgrade get's run (noop for hidden-files stuff) and finally configure is run, which creates the symlinks to /etc/.../hidden-root06:38
sistpotyhey \sh06:38
\shbecause my dual core laptop tells me I just have one cpu and not two ,)06:38
imbrandonsistpoty, ahh yes becosue it wasent a config file before, right , my mistake06:39
Tonio_Riddell: and openwengo as no scons configure directive, so dealing with builddeps is a real........ pleasure.......06:39
imbrandonerr "seen" as a config06:39
sistpotyimbrandon: yes... but for the postinst/postrm scripts, it's better to have another look, since it mustn't fail in any case06:40
imbrandon\sh, you do have the -generic kernel installed correct ? ( e.g. the -386 isnt smp enabled )06:41
imbrandon( assuming your on edgy )06:41
\shimbrandon: oh damn...why is it installing -386v ;)06:41
imbrandonafaik becosue of some rare driver issues with smp kernels to be fixed by edgy+1 but for now if you have smp you need the -generic kernel06:42
imbrandonand hope you dont need the ralink driver ;)06:42
imbrandoneasy , just " sudo apt-get install linux-generic " and reboot , problem solved, but yes it should be handled better06:43
imbrandonbut thats the "hot-to" for now06:43
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\shimbrandon: THX :) 06:44
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imbrandonheya bddebian06:47
bddebianHi imbrandon06:47
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mhbRiddell: two minutes faster :o)07:03
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Tonio_sistpoty: uploaded07:04
sistpotyTonio_: cool, thx07:04
Tonio_Riddell: first real kds bzr version is out :)07:04
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aeig_Sime: are you here ?07:28
mhbRiddell: in your meeting invitation email you wrote "see you in #ubuntu-devel" but meeting's as usual in #ubuntu-meeting (looks like it's scheduled there), right?07:30
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imbrandon_okies i'm off to take a nap before the meeting while this kde compiles some more heh07:35
imbrandon_see yall in  a few hours07:35
mhbimbrandon_: enjoy the well-deserved rest :o)07:35
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jdong\sh_away: if  had the 386 kernel before your dist-upgrade, it'll still pull in a 386 kernel07:39
jdongif you pulled in ubuntu-desktop, it'll also pull in linux-generic, too :D07:39
jdongsysmond: CRITICAL load average: amadeus.jd.lan reported 1175.5007:43
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jdong*sigh*, amazing what bad indenting in Python could do07:46
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Riddell_Sime: I take it you can't come to the US summit?08:10
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_SimeRiddell: it sounds nice, but I don't have the holiday time AND I'm going to Oz for 5 weeks at the end of the year.08:10
Riddellooh, save your holiday for oz then08:11
_Simeit is just not possible to organise that with my Real Work.08:12
_SimeRiddell: you've going?08:12
Riddell_Sime: to the US?  of course08:12
Riddellso's sebas (yay!)08:12
jdongRiddell: can bug 61946 be marked higher priority and targetted at 6.10?08:12
UbugtuMalone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6194608:12
jdongRiddell: that's a high data loss potential bug08:13
Riddelljdong: has _Sime responded to that?08:13
jdongRiddell: IIRC _Sime didn't cause the bug :)08:13
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_SimeI'll see sebas on the weekend.08:13
_Simejdong: I'm hacking on it right now actually.08:14
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_SimeRiddell: I want to get to Akademy 2007, and whatever summit there is mid-2007 for Ubuntu.08:14
Riddellakademy sometime in july in glasgow, ubuntu probably May time08:15
_Simeglasgow sounds do-able.08:16
_Simeonce i figure out where it is. ;-)08:16
_Simejdong: does the unmount dialog work in dapper for you? or anyone?08:18
jdong_Sime: it works in stock dapper08:18
jdong_Sime: I've not tried dapper 3.5.4 repos recently but IIRC they worked08:18
_Simejdong: stock eh08:19
jdongas in dapper + dapper-updates08:19
_SimeI'm using dapper plus the 3.5.4 repo.08:20
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jdong_Sime: and does that work?08:24
jdong(I'm guessing no, from your questions)08:24
_SimeI've tried to make it appear, but it won't.08:24
jdong_Sime: are your usb devices mounted async?08:26
jdongcan you see activity after unmounting?08:26
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_Simejdong: on dapper or edgy?08:28
jdongon either08:28
jdongAfter I umount on either, I can clearly see iowait activity for a while, depending on how much data I wrote08:28
jdongin an extreme case, around 1 minute's worth of iowait08:29
jdongduring which time KDE is basically telling me it's safe to yank out my stick08:29
_Sime  /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)08:33
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jdongyeah, that should make for a dangerous umount08:40
jdongkde 3.5.2 definitely showed a unmount progress dialog for that08:40
_Simejdong: have you looked through bugs.kde.rog?08:44
jdong_Sime: it's a hairy mess, and I could never get search to narrow bugs below half a quintillion hits08:45
jdongso if you have more eperience with it, good luck :)08:45
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fdovinghmm.. anyone know where the prism2_usb driver is on edgy? can't find it on a freshly installed edgy-beta09:24
fdovingnevermind.. they are gone.09:25
jdongfdoving: I believe the next kernel upload is turning it back on?09:31
jdongbut then that might've been my dream last night where I was browsing upstream changelogs09:31
fdovinghaha.. you should take a break. a walk in the forest is nice. :)09:33
fdovingthe next kernel really should turn it back on.09:33
fdovingand it should also update the bcm43xx driver,  currently my ibook hard-freezes every ~5-6 hours if the wlan is enabled.09:33
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fdovinggoogled it and found it's a known bug.09:34
jdongas much as I'd love to sit here and put on a BenC hat, your best bet is to go poke him about it :)09:34
fdovingif you say so :)09:36
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trappistwhat package do I want if I want to poke at the way kde handles changing desktop backgrounds when it's cycling through a directory of images09:49
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danimoheya folks09:51
Riddellyo yo danimo 09:51
trappistfor example, I'd like add a feature to let it search directories recursively for images to use09:51
danimoRiddell: I guess you still haven't tried amarok and daap?09:51
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danimo(along with zeroconf)09:51
Riddellcan't say I have09:51
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danimoRiddell: doesn't work for me it seems :(09:52
Riddellzeroconf I've tried, I need to fix that09:52
danimoRiddell: fixed what?09:52
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Tonio_Riddell: wengophone should be done toonight09:54
Tonio_Riddell: but that'll not be accepted in uvf exception request09:54
Tonio_that's not a bugfix release....09:55
Riddelldanimo: I need to fix zeroconf09:56
RiddellTonio_: well, maybe we can talk nicely to the masters :)09:56
danimoRiddell: what's wrong with it?09:56
Riddelldanimo: libnss-mdns doesn't set up nss.switch properly09:56
danimoRiddell: ah, that's why I cannot find anything :)09:57
Riddelladd mdns at the end of hosts:09:59
Tonio_Riddell: hehe :) not to mention him ;)09:59
danimoRiddell: does mdns-scan have to be installed?09:59
danimoRiddell: I did that, before dns as adviced on the kde wiki10:00
Tonio_I have finished the code cleaning and builddeps, just the "install" part needs to be done (because that doesn't go in standard folders of course, so debhelper cannot install the files...)10:00
danimoRiddell: nothing happens10:00
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Lureinteresting bug 62703 - another reason not to use gtk... ;-)10:40
UbugtuMalone bug 62703 in Ubuntu "huge desktop memory leak" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6270310:40
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Tonio_meeting in 15 minutes10:46
marseillaiquestion : when we will be able to add some feature request for edgy+1 ?10:47
jdongmarseillai: his name is Santa... he comes about once a year10:48
marseillaiedgy +1 will be call santa ?10:49
marseillaijdong: scuse me i'm not sure i've well understand10:49
jdongmarseillai: never mind, launchpad, distro ubuntu, the features button on the left10:50
jdongmarseillai: I was basically trying to tell you that from my experience, putting things on that list is like writing your government welfare system for a 16-core opteron server :)10:51
marseillaii was wondering two things for ubiquity : simplify partionning! i didn't understood it at all and came back to alternate cd because of it! and create a power-user mode of installation with package selection, sources.list modification .....10:53
Riddell** three minutes to meeting in #ubuntu-meeting10:59
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seaLnekwwii: the background i get on my second head (xinerama) looks a bit disjointed and dosen't seem to match up with the main one, not sure if its just my setup11:28
seaLnei'll try to remember to get a screen shot tommorow at work11:29
kwwiihrm, sounds funny, the file itself is quite big, perhaps there is some scaling problems going on11:29
seaLnei ahve 2 1280x102411:29
kwwiiwell, if they are both the same size, you should get exactly the same ratio11:30
kwwiiif they are different ratio's the pic will be stretched a bit different11:30
seaLneprobably easier to wait till screenshot :)11:31
seaLnei'm stil trying to decide if i like xinerama, previously i've always had seperate heads, but haven't worked out how to do it on ne ati dual head card11:31
kwwiiyeah, I actually liked having seperate logins11:32
seaLnei didn't have seperate logins but they were distinct, so apart from shared kbd+mouse they behaved independantly and i could change desktops on 1 without affecting the other11:33
kwwiithere almost needs to be a bigger themeing idea behind multi-head setups11:34
kwwiithat would be really cool11:35
kwwiilike staying at the movie long enough to learn the real secrets which only came at the very end11:35
seaLnenormally i just have a black background which is simpler :)11:38
kwwiihehe, no doubt11:38
kwwiiactually, a tiled bg is perfect for this kinda thing as well11:38
kwwiibut tiled bgs are soooo out11:38
seaLnebut big improvement recently(?) when kdm has a background on both heads11:39
kwwiione day, when Tonio_ is some big, famous KDE guy I will saw I knew him when he was young11:42
Tonio_kwwii: mouarf :) hard to become famous when you don't code :)11:43
Tonio_kwwii: I don't plan to learn C++ at all :)11:43
LureTonio_: you can do it in php ;-)11:45
Tonio_Lure: lol11:45
LureTonio_: and you mentioned that you are learning python11:45
Tonio_Lure: yes, true11:45
Tonio_but I am at the very begining11:46
kwwiiTonio_: don't worry...the grasshopper does not know the extent of the world until he makes his first jump (/me tries to sound mystical)11:47
kwwiione day you can say I was a mentor or some crap like that11:48
seaLnejdong: isn't that what flash drives are for?11:48
Tonio_kwwii: lol :)11:48
jdongseaLne: dvd+rw's are considerably cheaper11:48
seaLnejdong: is it something many people do?11:48
tomaTonio_: is digikamimageplugins also on the cd?11:48
jdongseaLne: I use that functionality of +RW's a lot11:49
jdongseaLne: I have flash drives, but I can't buy 40GB worth of flash drives for 5 bucks11:49
jdongthose with too much free time on their hands have attempted ubuntu installs to dvd+rw's, actually, and I've heard limited success stories :D11:50
seaLneis it specific to + rather than -?11:50
Tonio_toma: no11:50
tomaTonio_: hm.11:51
LureTonio_: why not? 11:51
Tonio_toma: we don't ship showfoto11:51
Tonio_and they are mostly usefull with it11:51
jdongseaLne: it's specific to +. - does not support truly random access, i.e. block device11:52
tomaTonio_: no, thats not true11:52
seaLnei only just ordered some rw dvds recently to play with11:52
LureTonio_: but digikam editor uses them too11:53
Tonio_toma, Lure: Size: 446260211:53
Tonio_maybe the day we have freed some space on the cd, we can ship it11:54
tomaTonio_: i prefer them above kipi11:54
LureTonio_: they are not even in main :-(11:54
Luretoma: +1 11:54
Tonio_that's why I really hope we'll give a try at koffice for edgy+1, but that'll probably be discussed at UDS11:55
Tonio_yes, but kipi-plugins can be used in several applications, not only digikam11:55
alleetoma, Lure: really?  YOu do lot's of image editing?  Compared to slideshow sendimage etc in kpi-plugins?11:55
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tomaallee: well, digikam without the plugins is kind of running outside naked11:55
Tonio_I beleive yes11:55
alleeTonio_: no11:55
Lureallee: adjustcurves/levels are useful11:56
Tonio_allee: okay11:56
Tonio_Lure: I would like to include them, but the size on the cd becomes a problem, really......11:56
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Tonio_winfloss can be discussed too... but not a chance to remove that....11:57
seaLnei wonder if we can teach the cat "rm -rf /" :)11:57
Tonio_although I think that winfloss shouldn't be prior to kubuntu content11:57
LureTonio_: does not help for ppc and amd64 where we have the least space11:57
seaLneisn't winfloss what the opencd is for?11:57
Tonio_Lure: yes,11:57
Tonio_seaLne: true, that's why, even if that's usefull, I think that'll have to be removed one day11:58
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Tonio_winfloss + OOo are about 100 MB11:58
Tonio_15% of the cd11:58
seaLnei'd be interested to know if there are any statistics about anyone ever using the winfloss stuff11:58
Tonio_but I agree winfloss isn't THE solution since amd64 as the same problem11:58
Tonio_seaLne: very few people in my opinion11:59
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Tonio_Lure: concerning amd64, that's another debate.... maybe one day that'll just be a dvd, I don't know...11:59
Tonio_amd64 computers generally have a dvd and a dsl line :)12:00
Riddellkwwii: https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+branch/kubuntu-website/main12:04
Riddellyou need to bzr branch that one12:04
Riddelland you can  bzr checkout https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members/+branch/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu12:04
Riddellsee https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-October/001364.html12:05
kwwiiRiddell: erm, am I in kubuntu-members?12:06
imbrandon_kwwii: yes12:06
freeflyingimbrandon_: kde-355 ok now?12:07
imbrandon_kwwii: ^^12:07
kwwiiimbrandon_: thanks12:07
imbrandon_freeflying: still compiling , its only about 1/3 the way done12:07
imbrandon_my ppc compiler is SLOW heh12:07
kwwiithis whole launchpad thins makes my head spin12:08
imbrandon_freeflying: but Riddell said he is going to get a uvf for it tomarrow so it will be in the main archive soon12:08
imbrandon_( and qt4.2 )12:08
freeflyingimbrandon_: yep12:08
imbrandon_kwwii: hehe yea it took me a long time to get used to ut12:09
imbrandon_but its nice once you figure out all the bits12:09
kwwiiimbrandon_: definitely true12:12

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