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| Hawkwind | !ubuntu counter | 12:15 |
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| ubotu | If you want to register with the Ubuntu Counter project, please visit this page: http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/useraccount.php?action=newuser | 12:15 |
| Riddell | hmm, right | 12:17 |
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| Hawkwind | Hmmm, there is a way you can change the images there but I don't remember how | 12:18 |
| Hawkwind | Riddell: Looks like you can only actually register as a Ubuntu user, but you can change images and get a Kubuntu image for forums and things | 12:18 |
| Hawkwind | Riddell: The person I was referring to was trappist | 12:23 |
| Hawkwind | Figured I'd just tell you here since the emails keep being rejected for some strange reason | 12:24 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: it looks like the first issue with openwengo is getting a tarball..... | 01:35 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 02:02 |
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| nixternal | i think konversation needs a new default color scheme in edgy ;) | 02:05 |
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| TheBearded1_ | i have a bug to report, and a couple questions about usability | 02:27 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdesu still fails here, even after reinstall kdebase-bin... | 02:32 |
| Tonio_ | I just restarted kde to be sure, but it still wants to talk to su | 02:32 |
| TheBearded1_ | Tonio_: where can I sign up for kubuntu development? | 02:34 |
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| TheBearded1_ | is there any shortage of kubuntu developers? | 02:34 |
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| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: there is no "signup" | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: need any info on how it works in fact ? | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | the structure etc ??? | 02:36 |
| TheBearded1_ | well, i've tried this before and I just couldn't get into it (not I didn't want to, but nobody would let me package anything/touch existing packages) | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | hum, strange | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's resume the thing | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | everything starts with contribution | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | there is no signup | 02:39 |
| TheBearded1_ | but I installed edgy a couple days ago, and I'm really liking what it's shaping up to be | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | you have dozens of way to contribute (packaging, docs, debugging etc...) | 02:40 |
| TheBearded1_ | well I'd like to start my contributions by getting knetworkmanager to be a package installed from the very beginning | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | best place if you wanna start is this channel, since you can easilly find people to sponsor your work | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: hehe, we'll rediscuss about knetworkmanager :) it is a complicated issue | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: when you have done significant contribution, you can apply to become kubuntu-member | 02:41 |
| TheBearded1_ | I figured it had atleast discussed before, what was the decision about knetworkmanager, or rather, why was it not decided on, it or some other network manager? | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: the problem with knetworkmanager is that all wifi cards linux drivers are not wext compatible | 02:42 |
| TheBearded1_ | NetworkManager only has a wext backend? | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | so there are people for which (k)networkmanager don't work, while other tools do | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: it uses wpa_supplicant | 02:43 |
| h3sp4wn | wpa_supplicant has multiple backends | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: so it has the same limitations, need to be launched with a driver | 02:43 |
| h3sp4wn | Is kde 3.5.5 definately not going to go into edgy ? | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | h3sp4wn: yes, it has, but most of the time wext is used by default if your card isn't support by any other driver | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | h3sp4wn: could be if accepted, we will ask for it to get in | 02:44 |
| TheBearded1_ | are newer driver developers not using wext? I mean, who in their right mind wouldn't code a wireless driver against it? | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: there is no "work" needed for knetworkmanager to be shiped by default, just that it needs to be discussed and approved | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: there is an effort to go to wext for most drivers | 02:45 |
| TheBearded1_ | and i'm gonna take a guess and say that a discussion started by a newcomer isn't gonna make it happen :( ? | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: I think in the near future, we will ship it by default, but that'll probably wait for networkmanager 0.7, with IP settings support | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: not everyone uses dhcp so knetworkmanager isn't the perfect solution at the moment | 02:45 |
| TheBearded1_ | is that something being developed upstream right now? | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: yes, networkmanager 0.7 is supposed to support this | 02:46 |
| TheBearded1_ | release eta? | 02:46 |
| TheBearded1_ | in time for edgy? | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: I agree to the fact knetworkmanager should at least feet on the cd, if not installed | 02:46 |
| h3sp4wn | What is wrong with wpagui ? its qt and small (and written by the people who write wpasupplicant) | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: no it'll be in a few month, probably for edgy +1 | 02:46 |
| TheBearded1_ | it's not on by default | 02:47 |
| TheBearded1_ | i think the fact that there's not a user friendly way to configure network devices out of the box should be seen as a bug | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: edgy is in post beta state now, so appart from essential components like kde, no updates are allowed, only bugfixing | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: If I had to choose, I would ship it :) but I am not the only one to decide :) | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | I am only the maintainer of knetworkmanager, but that also includes wpa_supplicant, networkmanager, and I can't decide for those | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: what are you interested in concerning kubuntu dev ? packaging, coding, bug fixing ? | 02:48 |
| TheBearded1_ | i'd like to do some ui programming | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: have some knowledge in QT/kde dev ? | 02:49 |
| TheBearded1_ | packaging.........not a big fan of | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | we miss UI developpers | 02:49 |
| TheBearded1_ | a lot of c++ experience, and a little qt experience | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | definitly miss, so there are lots of potential work to do if you want to | 02:50 |
| TheBearded1_ | but i know how to read api docs :) | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: well, that could be interesting | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: no new development will be done for edgy now, but will for edgy+1 | 02:50 |
| TheBearded1_ | yeah i understand that | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | and that can be started right now | 02:51 |
| TheBearded1_ | if edgy is already locked out for new apps, sounds like it has to in order for a package to make it in | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | examples : better Adept UI, python/kde application to install packages locally like gdebi | 02:51 |
| TheBearded1_ | yeah i found an adept bug that i'm not sure has been reported (a bug search for adept was huge) | 02:51 |
| TheBearded1_ | I went to install sun-java5-jre through adept the other day | 02:52 |
| TheBearded1_ | BIG mistake | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: yes, mornfall is developing it, and most of the time, he is here | 02:52 |
| TheBearded1_ | it got stuck, because aptitude was waiting for the OK on the license agreement | 02:52 |
| TheBearded1_ | so i ended up having to kill adept | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: ah you had issues with debconf too ? ;) | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: mornfall is searching for help, really | 02:53 |
| TheBearded1_ | so i had to kill it, run dpkg --configure -a, unlock a few databases, reinstall a couple packages, then install sun-java5-jre manually | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: if you have experience in C++ and are ready to help, adept is probably THE project that currently needs live | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | love | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: if you feel ready to help on that point, best is to come back tomorow so that we can discuss this with Riddell (kubuntu boss) and mornfall if he is there | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: would you be interested in that eventually ? | 02:54 |
| TheBearded1_ | I got a sort of pc load letter error here | 02:55 |
| TheBearded1_ | when i run apt-get source: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_edgy_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) | 02:55 |
| TheBearded1_ | i've ran aptitude update a few times, and jacked with my sources.list, but i can't download package sources because of this | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | hum, never saw that error before.... | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: tried to remove that file and ran update ? | 02:56 |
| TheBearded1_ | "No such file or directory", it doesn't lie | 02:56 |
| TheBearded1_ | the file doesn't exist | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: probably need to recreate your cache | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* && sudo mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial && sudo apt-get update | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | that can help, but I'm unsure | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: so, could cotribution to adept improvement be interesting for you somehow ? | 02:59 |
| TheBearded1_ | i'd like to help with adept | 03:00 |
| TheBearded1_ | i agree that it needs love | 03:00 |
| TheBearded1_ | it's pretty minimal | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall will be happy :) | 03:00 |
| TheBearded1_ | i mean, i have a fresh install of edgy here, and i click on add/remove packages: 5 packages show up in adept | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: yes, I agree, for example it should be able to repair the problems (lock file) created after a crash, like synaptic does | 03:00 |
| TheBearded1_ | and for example | 03:01 |
| TheBearded1_ | it just crashed on me | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: ahhhhh that's different :) | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | adept installer is just for the most common apps :) | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | I was talking about adept-manager | 03:01 |
| TheBearded1_ | oh | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | that's the complete one, for advanced users | 03:01 |
| TheBearded1_ | common packages == firefox, gaim, menu editor, calculator ?? | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | "add/remove programs" is just for your mother | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: there are more packages than this | 03:02 |
| TheBearded1_ | when i click unsupported packages, well there used to be, now it just crashes | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | you can check "unsuported" and you'll see the full list | 03:02 |
| TheBearded1_ | and if i remember right when I click unsupported it shows a bunch of gnome packages | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: you can choose between gnome and kde packages | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | but yes that needs improvement too | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | adept is composed of 4 apps : | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | adept-install, that we can call from scripts to install one package | 03:03 |
| TheBearded1_ | see this is what i want to be able to do, i don't like coming into channels and bitching, i like coming into channels, bitching, fixing it, and then coming back with a patch | 03:03 |
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| Tonio_ | hehe I can understand you on that point | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that mornfall is alone to maintain and improve 4 apps.... quite a big job for just a humain personn | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | he his asking for help for month, so if you can do it, he'll be *very* happy | 03:05 |
| TheBearded1_ | i got pissed at the ubuntu people because i was like "i wanna help i wanna help", so they sent me to this list of a bunch of crappy programs that hadn't been packaged yet | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | and adept suite is the big thing we have to improve in my opinion | 03:05 |
| TheBearded1_ | and I was like but I want to package this, NO NO NO NO ONLY FROM THE LIST | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: yes, indeed, concerning a distro, most of the stuff is packaging | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: when was it ? | 03:06 |
| TheBearded1_ | maybe.....6 months ago, 7 at the most | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | which channel ? | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | that's strange......... unless you came during a special merging or debugging session, I don't see any reason you can't package want you want to.... | 03:07 |
| TheBearded1_ | don't remember exactly, but i really just got the feeling like i was invading into a bunch of 12 year olds' clubhouse, kind of this do our special handshake or leave thing | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | that's free software ;) | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: maybe it was on #ubuntu | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | and yes, most have 12 years old :) | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | on -devel channels, that a bit different | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | well the point is it is 3 am in france, time to bed to me :) | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: ready to come backl tomorow so that you can expose your wishes and projects/plans to contribute ? | 03:08 |
| TheBearded1_ | what time, err, and what time zone | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | can be interesting | 03:08 |
| TheBearded1_ | i can be on, from 8am-5pm Central Timezone US | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_: when you want, the channel is active between 8 utc to midnight utc | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | about | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | that's perfect, I'll be there and most other kubuntu devs too | 03:09 |
| TheBearded1_ | france == UTC+2 than right? | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | seya tomorow then :) | 03:10 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 03:10 |
| TheBearded1_ | k | 03:10 |
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| Tm_T | whoa | 06:20 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: you've seen last kdesu commit? | 06:20 |
| Tm_T | "add --with-sudo-kdesu-backend configure switch | 06:28 |
| Tm_T | instead of hardcoding stuff in a couple of files" | 06:28 |
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| Tm_T | work -> | 06:30 |
| nixternal | who broke fglrx again ? grrr | 06:33 |
| crimsun | probably another missing abi bump? | 06:34 |
| nixternal | so it seems | 06:36 |
| nixternal | should be fixed soon im guessing | 06:36 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: you see the "kde-look.org" bug pop up today for wallpapers? | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | huh ? no | 07:01 |
| imbrandon | guess not | 07:01 |
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| nixternal | well, i marked it duplicate of another ;) | 07:12 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: heya | 07:17 |
| nixternal | woohoo...hiya Hobbsee!!! | 07:18 |
| nixternal | g'day mate! | 07:18 |
| nixternal | just talked to my daughter's god mother and she said that to me | 07:18 |
| nixternal | says the weather is just lovely in Sydney right now | 07:18 |
| Hobbsee | indeed :) | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: how'd the kicker bug go? | 07:23 |
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| Hobbsee | Tonio_: you're great! thanks for a working kicker again :D | 08:03 |
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| imbrandon | Hobbsee, hows 3.5.5 | 08:06 |
| imbrandon | ? | 08:06 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: good, except for the kdesu bug. everything else works, due to tonio. | 08:08 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: ppc's package are ready? | 08:08 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: no idea, doubt it | 08:09 |
| freeflying | Hobbsee: thanks :) | 08:11 |
| imbrandon | cool , are Tonio_ packages update on kubuntu.org ? | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, ^^ | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yep. | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | coll | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | cool | 08:17 |
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| serzholino | hi! are there any kubuntu-related mailing listst? | 09:34 |
| serzholino | on kubuntu.org there is no reference to any | 09:35 |
| abattoir | serzholino: you can find the list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ | 09:36 |
| serzholino | oh, thanks. it would be great if this page be accesible from kubuntu.org too. | 09:40 |
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| Lure | kwwii_: btw, thanks for kdm fix for large fonts! | 09:47 |
| kwwii_ | Lure: so it is fixed on your machine? | 09:48 |
| Lure | kwwii_: yep - it looks nice now! | 09:48 |
| Riddell | serzholino: they're listed on the support page, where would you expect them to be listed? | 09:48 |
| kwwii_ | Lure: cool, thanks for catching that | 09:49 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: "kubuntu branded kmenu icon" what plans for that? I've always left the kmenu icon to be just the kde logo to keep upstream branding strong | 09:49 |
| Lure | kwwii_: are powermanager icons now final (the one's in svn)? We will probably need to have another upload soon (if we address KUniqueApplication/dcop issue) | 09:50 |
| Riddell | Lure++ that's on my todo but if someone else wants to take it over please do | 09:50 |
| Riddell | it's fiddly though | 09:50 |
| kwwii_ | Lure: hehe, actually I started yet another version, but we could use the current ones without major problems, I think | 09:50 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: I know, that is why I waited till the end to make it :-) | 09:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: Tonio_ volunteered yesterday | 09:51 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: if we don't use it, it is no big deal in my opinion | 09:51 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: but several people have asked for one | 09:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: it would be good if we would at least include it, even if not by default - so people like me can switch to full Kubuntu look ;-) | 09:52 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: if we maintain kubuntu-default-settings in bzr would you use that? i.e. would it make the process easier than e-mailing/irc pinging me | 09:52 |
| Riddell | Lure: oh we'll definately include it | 09:53 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: definitely | 09:53 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok with us maintaining kubuntu-default-settings in bzr under the kubuntu-members launchpad group? | 09:54 |
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| imbrandon | yea i liek the idea of the kmenu using a logo , as there really isnt any other branding on the desktop | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | but would be good if its easy to change | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_, !!!!!!!!!!11 | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | lol | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, sounds good to me ( w.r.t bzr ) | 09:56 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: system menu icon has a kubuntu logo on it | 09:56 |
| kwwii_ | imbrandon: I think you drank too much mt. dew | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_, haha | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, it does? heh i never seen that untill now ( screen is too small to really be seen ) heh | 09:57 |
| Riddell | I think I'll have to take lots of irn-bru to the summit so I can wean imbrandon of that mountain dew nonsense | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | wow , i really never did notice that, but it is good to brand kubuntu imho | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | irn-bru ? | 09:58 |
| kwwii_ | several people have expressed the desire to see the logo on the wallpaper (which I am totally against) | 09:58 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: what's wrong with logo on wallpaper? | 09:58 |
| kwwii_ | so maybe having it in the kmenu would be enough | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | yea i dont like it on the walpaper but the kmenu would be nice as ok we're NOT apple/ms/ubuntu/suse but if you look all of them do it ;) | 09:59 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: well, a) mark says don't do it b) if we use it, it would have to part of the overall design, not just overlayed on an existing design | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | infact have you seen the new vista start button ? looks ALOT like KDE ( even the windeco looks like dapper crystal ) | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | have a peek http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/vista.jpg | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | no more "start" just a logo like KDE/GNOME/Apple | 10:01 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:01 |
| kwwii_ | the blue arrows could be from crystal | 10:02 |
| Riddell | that panel background is a lot like ours | 10:02 |
| nixternal | is it just me, or is vista gaudy as all hell? | 10:02 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, yea thats not the default pannel bg for vista, the normal one is transparent | 10:03 |
| nixternal | the user image is out of place i think | 10:03 |
| allee | freeflying: Hi, set's see when one of the pkg-kde admins turns up to add you :) | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, thats not the user image, it changes when you hover over an app to the app icon | 10:03 |
| freeflying | allee: :) | 10:03 |
| nixternal | ahh, evern more useless...like the freakin' icon isn't enough | 10:03 |
| imbrandon | yea vista is looking more and more like KDE4 every time i see it | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | even the address bar, did you notice thats liek the one in KDE4 blogs Riddell | 10:04 |
| imbrandon | like* | 10:04 |
| nixternal | to me it looks more and more like windows xp with windowblinds | 10:05 |
| imbrandon | i wish i still had that link, it was on p.k.o not to long ago | 10:05 |
| imbrandon | with the address bar mockup | 10:06 |
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| nixternal | for a second i thought that garbage can had a kubuntu logo on it | 10:06 |
| nixternal | heh, imbrandon, you know that stupid msa logo everyone has been talking about looking like the ubuntu logo? | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | yes ? | 10:07 |
| nixternal | i totally forgot about that...the downers grove office where i was at, that was the main project there...we all had t-shirts with that logo and i totally didn't even catch it | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | and becouse the OS is garbage dosent mean it looks ugly nixternal | 10:08 |
| nixternal | it looks ugly to me ;) | 10:08 |
| Riddell | allee: could you add a pointer to your kde extras team page onto the ubuntuWeeklyNewsletter? | 10:08 |
| nixternal | i shouldn't say ugly, because some of the graphics are nice..but that color scheme is horrid, and it looks cluttered | 10:08 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, what they dident look at was that the MSA logo predates ubuntu | 10:08 |
| nixternal | i would be closterphobic running that ;) | 10:09 |
| nixternal | oh ya..i worked there from 2002-2005, and that was the logo the entire time | 10:09 |
| nixternal | oh i used to hate those kiosks they had with that too..it had like children of the corn type laughing and giggling | 10:10 |
| nixternal | freaky stuff | 10:10 |
| === imbrandon will be bringing 2 cases of mt dew to the summit just to share with Riddell | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | scary | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, [02:57] <Riddell> I think I'll have to take lots of irn-bru to the summit so I can wean imbrandon of that mountain dew nonsense | 10:11 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: sounds good. | 10:11 |
| === Hobbsee wonders waht irn-bru is | ||
| === imbrandon just dosent know what irn-bru is | ||
| nixternal | hrmm...is that the iron stuff? my x-wife talked about some funky drink before and it sounds familiar | 10:13 |
| kwwii_ | hehe | 10:13 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell loves it | 10:13 |
| kwwii_ | it tastes like a mt dew which someone put a nail in weeks before, if you ask me :-) | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 10:14 |
| === Hobbsee will just drink coke, if she ever makes it. | ||
| nixternal | hahahaha | 10:15 |
| nixternal | ya, that is the iron stuff then | 10:15 |
| nixternal | that is the exact phrase i think my x said as well | 10:15 |
| nixternal | im actually drinking mt. dew now, only cuz i ran out of dr. pepper | 10:16 |
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| imbrandon | hum Riddell you know about these qt/non-qt plugins stuff in qt4 ? | 10:18 |
| imbrandon | err 4.2 | 10:18 |
| imbrandon | quote "Qt 4.2 allows developers to create Qt plug-ins for use with non-Qt applications." | 10:18 |
| === nixternal beds | ||
| nixternal | g'nite all! | 10:22 |
| imbrandon | gnight nixternal | 10:22 |
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| Riddell | imbrandon: nope | 10:24 |
| imbrandon | ahh okies, i was just reading the release feature | 10:25 |
| imbrandon | s | 10:25 |
| windshear | Hello | 10:25 |
| windshear | If you use the install script in kubuntu 6.10 life cd and you have entered all the requested data you get to the -Ready to install- screen. This shows you the summary of the necessary info you provided to install kubuntu. (Language, Keyboard layout... till grub). | 10:25 |
| windshear | Then there is a note: If you continue, the changes listed below will be written to the disks. [...] | 10:25 |
| windshear | But unfortunately there are no changes listed below eventhough I told the script to format 2 partitions. | 10:25 |
| windshear | In 6.06 the changes were listed correctly. | 10:25 |
| Riddell | windshear: I've seen that, I'll make sure to investigate it before RC | 10:26 |
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| Hobbsee | do we really have a meeting tomorrow? well, your today? | 10:27 |
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| imbrandon | bout ~12 hours | 10:28 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes, afraid so | 10:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right... | 10:28 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if she has to be there | ||
| === Hobbsee might be asleep :P | ||
| Riddell | not unless you have stuff on the agenda | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | right. 1 agenda item. poor. | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | from Tonio_, not from myself | 10:29 |
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| windshear | Riddell tanks, so is it gui only? I mean does it format the right partitions? | 10:30 |
| Hobbsee | apart from that | 10:30 |
| Riddell | windshear: it does format them yes. it's curious because the message displays correctly on powerpc. I'm curious to know if ubuntu/i386 has the same problem | 10:30 |
| windshear | Riddell I could try it - if you want me to do it- | 10:32 |
| Riddell | windshear: please, that would be very useful | 10:32 |
| windshear | Riddell ok, but it takes me some time | 10:33 |
| kwwii_ | http://sinecera.de <--the first version of the basic layout for my new site...ideas? | 10:36 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: looks totally lovely | 10:37 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: thanks :-) | 10:38 |
| imbrandon | kwwii_, looks good man | 10:38 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: I thought about adding a discussion about the final graphics to the meeting tonight...get a feeling for what is the most important stuff to still include, as well as discuss the website graphics | 10:40 |
| kwwii_ | sound like a good idea or a waste of time? | 10:41 |
| Riddell | kwwii_: sounds good | 10:42 |
| windshear | Riddell yes the problem is also in ubuntu 6.10 beta | 11:03 |
| Riddell | windshear: yay! means it's not my fault :) | 11:04 |
| windshear | :) | 11:04 |
| Riddell | windshear: file a bug on ubiquity then, kamion is usually pretty responsive | 11:04 |
| windshear | hm, where? | 11:05 |
| Riddell | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug | 11:06 |
| windshear | ik, thx | 11:08 |
| windshear | ik=>ok | 11:09 |
| windshear | so i report it as a bug in the ubiquity package | 11:09 |
| Riddell | yes | 11:10 |
| windshear | ok, reported, its bug Bug #64142 | 11:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64142 in ubiquity "installer - ready to install- screen incomplete" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64142 | 11:11 |
| windshear | but there is another bug in the kubuntu installer that is not present in ubuntu | 11:12 |
| Riddell | what's that? | 11:13 |
| windshear | if I select "manually partition table" i get to a screen I can see all the partitions on the harddisk | 11:13 |
| windshear | I have the following partition table: | 11:13 |
| windshear | /dev/sda1 ntfs | 11:14 |
| windshear | /dev/sda2 extended | 11:14 |
| windshear | /dev/sda5 ntfs in extended | 11:15 |
| windshear | /dev/sda3 ext3 | 11:15 |
| windshear | /dev/sda4 linux-swap | 11:15 |
| windshear | no wait | 11:23 |
| windshear | its correct | 11:24 |
| windshear | i was confused because of the numbers in front of the partition | 11:24 |
| windshear | they don't match the partition number | 11:25 |
| windshear | by the way Riddell, what do you need the partition mumber for | 11:25 |
| windshear | ubuntu doesn't even display the numbers | 11:26 |
| sebas | Riddell: Do you have unfilled proposals dor SoC? | 11:29 |
| sebas | I'm looking for project proposals for CodeYard students | 11:30 |
| Riddell | windshear: doesn't display where? | 11:30 |
| Riddell | sebas: yep | 11:30 |
| sebas | plzsendme! :> | 11:30 |
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| Riddell | sebas: various things in umbrello. kde version of onboard, port ubiquity to qt 4, port dist-upgrade tool and gdebi to kde | 11:47 |
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| sebas | Riddell: Can I have those proposals, so I present them to our students? | 11:52 |
| sebas | Maybe someone wants to work on them | 11:52 |
| Riddell | sebas: I'll write you an e-mail when I get a minute | 11:52 |
| sebas | Riddell: Cool | 11:52 |
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| GNUro | hi | 12:28 |
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| Riddell | kwwii_: if you're interested, this is going to be the debian wallpaper http://cdd.debian-br.org/~si0ux/artwork/debian/wallpapers/01.png | 12:36 |
| kwwii_ | Riddell: hrm, the logo would look better if it was actually on the velvety background instead of overlayed | 12:38 |
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| windshear | re | 01:22 |
| windshear | Riddell on the prepare partitions page | 01:23 |
| Riddell | windshear: what about it? | 01:30 |
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| raphink | " | 01:40 |
| raphink | Kubuntu Default Settings is now being maintained in bzr with write | 01:40 |
| raphink | access to anyone in kubuntu-members. | 01:40 |
| raphink | Riddell: does that mean people who are not developers can modify the package now? | 01:40 |
| Riddell | raphink: yes, e.g. kwwii_ | 01:41 |
| raphink | hmmm | 01:41 |
| Riddell | raphink: obviously they can't upload, only core-dev can do that | 01:41 |
| raphink | yes | 01:41 |
| raphink | so the dput will only work for core-dev | 01:41 |
| Riddell | raphink: and if anyone makes any stupid changes we throw them out of kubuntu-members (or just revert and slap wrist) | 01:41 |
| Riddell | raphink: of course | 01:41 |
| raphink | hmm I see the point | 01:41 |
| raphink | can be interesting | 01:41 |
| Riddell | yes, it's an experiment :) | 01:42 |
| raphink | :) | 01:43 |
| raphink | is this part of the NoMoreSourcePackages experiment? | 01:43 |
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| Riddell | raphink: its half way there, the other half I believe is to get rid of dput and have a button on launchpad saying "make this bzr archive into an ubuntu package now" | 01:45 |
| Riddell | which is a lot less hassle than having essentially two revision control systems (archive and bzr) | 01:45 |
| imbrandon | arg | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, you ever compile gcc ? | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | know how i can make it NOT try to strip the binarys when making the debs ? | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | ( even if its only for me localy ) | 01:48 |
| Riddell | gcc doesn't make debs | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | no no , making "gcc debs" | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | not gcc to make debs | 01:48 |
| Riddell | oh, no idea | 01:48 |
| Riddell | doko's area | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | e.g. /usr/bin/strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `debian/lib64gcc1-powerpc-cross/usr/powerpc-linux-gnu/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1' | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | i'll poke him | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | i'm like <--> this close to have my i386 pbuilder cross compiling for ppc debs | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | heh if i can fix that one error | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | so " pbuilder-edgy-ppc build *.dsc " will work or s/ppc/x86/g etc ;) | 01:50 |
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| mhb | good afternoon | 01:54 |
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| imbrandon | heya mhb | 01:57 |
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| Riddell | anyone tried printing with kde 3.5.5? | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, nope but i'm gonna install it this afternoon on the amd64 | 02:04 |
| imbrandon | so i will try then | 02:04 |
| mhb | I can test it today as well | 02:04 |
| freeflying | ppc's packages avaliable? | 02:05 |
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| imbrandon | it dont think so yet freeflying | 02:11 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I'm afraid not | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | if Riddell says there wont be any changes to the packages today ( with reasonable doubt ) i can start builds on my ibook | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | it will take most of the day to compile though as its slow ;) | 02:11 |
| Riddell | shouldn't be any changes | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | kk | 02:12 |
| imbrandon | you dont happen to have a list of the source packages handy so i dont have to rummage the pool do you ? hehe | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, ^^ | 02:13 |
| Riddell | arts kdeaccessibility kdeadmin kdebase kdeedu kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdepim kdetoys kdevelop kdeaddons kdeartwork kdebindings kdegames kdelibs kdenetwork kdesdk kdeutils kdewebdev | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | sweet you rock | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | freeflying, i'll start the builds now and ping you and Riddell when they are done | 02:14 |
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| freeflying | imbrandon: need I build some for u? :) | 02:19 |
| imbrandon | if you wish, will get it done faster ( but do it in a clean edgy pbuilder so we can put it on kubuntu.org ) | 02:20 |
| imbrandon | and let me know what ones you start so we dont do the same ones ;) | 02:21 |
| imbrandon | well actualy | 02:21 |
| imbrandon | the more i think about it that wont work | 02:21 |
| imbrandon | becouse you have to have the basepackages | 02:21 |
| imbrandon | so i'll just do them , but thanks anyhow | 02:22 |
| Riddell | they need to be build together | 02:22 |
| imbrandon | it wont take tooo long | 02:22 |
| imbrandon | right | 02:22 |
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| imbrandon | i just realized that after i said it | 02:22 |
| freeflying | :) | 02:22 |
| imbrandon | so i'll just do them all | 02:22 |
| imbrandon | ;) thansk for the thought thoguh | 02:22 |
| Riddell | raphink: hmm, another sidebar | 02:22 |
| freeflying | Riddell: can we add another package to desktop-cd? | 02:22 |
| raphink | hmm sorry wrong channel indeed | 02:23 |
| raphink | anyone has seen/worked on http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14779 ? | 02:23 |
| raphink | hop | 02:23 |
| Riddell | freeflying: what is it? | 02:23 |
| raphink | yes Riddell, but it can be interesting | 02:23 |
| raphink | if it's well integrated | 02:23 |
| freeflying | Riddell: scim-pinyin | 02:23 |
| Riddell | freeflying: that should be added to language-support-zh dependencies | 02:24 |
| Riddell | freeflying: actually it's already there | 02:24 |
| freeflying | raphink: it has deb package | 02:24 |
| raphink | yes freeflying | 02:24 |
| windshear | ok i'm now fully back | 02:25 |
| windshear | always these interruptions... | 02:25 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I see, but if the cd space permitted, will u add this, then guys using zh_CN can input in livecd | 02:25 |
| Riddell | freeflying: if CD space permits yes, but I doubt we will have enough space | 02:26 |
| raphink | freeflying: doesn' tseem to be a valid deb | 02:26 |
| freeflying | raphink: ok, I'd like package it | 02:27 |
| raphink | :) | 02:27 |
| freeflying | Riddell: thanks :) | 02:27 |
| windshear | Riddell: in the kubuntu installer on the prepare partitions screen, in the first row called numbers, the found paritions are numbered. | 02:27 |
| raphink | freeflying: do you want to contact the dev? | 02:27 |
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| windshear | What are these numbers good for because they don't necessary match the partition number | 02:27 |
| freeflying | raphink: ya, maybe i need send out a ITP :) | 02:27 |
| raphink | sure | 02:27 |
| windshear | and this can be quite confusing | 02:28 |
| raphink | there's no ITP/RFP yet | 02:28 |
| windshear | in my case /dev/sda5 has number 03 | 02:28 |
| freeflying | raphink: ok, | 02:28 |
| freeflying | windshear: maybe you'd read the man of fstab | 02:28 |
| imbrandon | windshear, normaly sdaX where X is the order it was created in and the 03 is the actual order on the physical drive | 02:29 |
| windshear | i know where these numbers come from | 02:29 |
| imbrandon | e.g 01 can be /dev/hda2 and 02 can be /dev/hda1 if dev/hda2 is the first on the physical hdd | 02:29 |
| imbrandon | and the first partition was put at the end of the drive | 02:30 |
| imbrandon | when it was made etc etc etc | 02:30 |
| windshear | but do you actually need the numbers how they are on the drive | 02:30 |
| windshear | i find it quite confusing | 02:30 |
| windshear | just displaying /dev/sda3 would be enough i think | 02:31 |
| freeflying | raphink: you know the author of konqburn? | 02:31 |
| raphink | nope | 02:31 |
| windshear | anyway ubuntu does it this way | 02:31 |
| windshear | ok, its just an idea to make it more user friendly... | 02:32 |
| imbrandon | all linux does it this way ;) | 02:32 |
| raphink | let's switch to the grub way everywhere! | 02:32 |
| raphink | media:/(hd0,0) | 02:33 |
| raphink | hehe | 02:33 |
| raphink | j/k | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 02:33 |
| Riddell | windshear: you mean on the qtparted page or the page after that? | 02:34 |
| windshear | i mean step 5 of 6 in the installer script | 02:34 |
| windshear | if i select manually create partition table | 02:35 |
| Riddell | sounds like qtparted page, in which case yes qtparted is silly | 02:36 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: since you have an amd64 you could try these qt4 packages http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/qt4/ | 02:37 |
| Riddell | just incase you're looking for things to do :) | 02:37 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, sure | 02:37 |
| imbrandon | just install them ? | 02:37 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: yes, and test some qt4 apps | 02:37 |
| imbrandon | k | 02:38 |
| windshear | i don't know how to find out the name of the page... there isn't displayed anything | 02:38 |
| windshear | perhaps its also just me getting confused about this... anyway now i know not to look at the wrong numbers :) | 02:39 |
| Riddell | windshear: does it have a toolbar and stuff to format partitions, or does it have dropdown boxes to assign mount points to paths? | 02:39 |
| windshear | it has toolbars to format, partition, resize... | 02:40 |
| windshear | not the one with the mount points | 02:41 |
| raphink | Riddell: do we keep the .bzr dirs in the package? | 02:41 |
| raphink | for k-d-s | 02:41 |
| Riddell | ok, so yes qtparted is crap, known issue | 02:41 |
| Riddell | raphink: up to you really, I don't mind either way | 02:41 |
| windshear | hm, ok then :) | 02:41 |
| raphink | I do Riddell | 02:42 |
| raphink | the .bzr dir is 11MB | 02:42 |
| Riddell | windshear: we were going to get rid of qtparted for edgy, but it'll be edgy+1 now | 02:42 |
| raphink | more than the size of the package itself | 02:42 |
| raphink | I think if we keep the package in bzr | 02:42 |
| windshear | ok | 02:42 |
| raphink | we need to have a clean rule that removes the .bzr dir | 02:42 |
| raphink | otherwise our packages will be more than twice bigger | 02:42 |
| raphink | just as we remove the cvs and svn dirs | 02:43 |
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| windshear | ko now a completely different question | 02:45 |
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| windshear | is the sound system different on ubuntu and kubuntu? | 02:45 |
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| windshear | I have an AC97 audio chipset and in kubuntu 6.06 and ubuntu 6.10 beta it works with no problems | 02:46 |
| Riddell | windshear: yes, at various levels | 02:46 |
| serzholino | fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory | 02:46 |
| serzholino | how can i create this /dev/fuse ? | 02:46 |
| Riddell | serzholino: wrong channel? | 02:46 |
| windshear | In kubuntu 6.10 beta my "c-media AC97 Audio Device" does not work anymore. | 02:46 |
| windshear | I keep on getting the following error message: Sound server fatal error: CPU overload, aborting | 02:46 |
| serzholino | Riddell: why? this is in kubuntu 6.06 | 02:47 |
| windshear | if i manually select 'open sound system' everything is ok | 02:47 |
| windshear | -but why can't the system correctly detect it automatically any more? | 02:47 |
| serzholino | in 5.10 fusermount worked well | 02:47 |
| imbrandon | serzholino, try #kubuntu for support | 02:48 |
| serzholino | something udev related maybe? | 02:48 |
| serzholino | imbrandon: no response | 02:48 |
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| serzholino | on #kubuntu | 02:48 |
| mhb | serzholino: sudo modoprobe fuse | 02:48 |
| mhb | serzholino: sorry, "sudo modprobe fuse" | 02:49 |
| serzholino | oh, yes, works now :) thanks a lot | 02:49 |
| mhb | serzholino: then the device should work fine (and yes, this is a wrong channel, next time you should go to #kubuntu) | 02:50 |
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| serzholino | ok, sorry | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | hi ! | 02:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning kubuntu-default-settings in bzr.... why not ;) | 02:54 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: too late, already done it :) | 02:55 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe, when will that change ? for edgy+1 I assume ? | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hey ;) | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, now | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | hey Tonio_. you fixed it! :) | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: true :) | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: talking about fixes, kdesu still fails here | 02:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure you have latest kdelibs4c2a and kdebase-bin? the version numbers didn't change so you'll need to wget && dpkg --install | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | I did --reinstall, but maybe I miss kdelibs4c2a | 02:57 |
| Riddell | and run kdesu from the command line, else it'll go through kdeinit and get the old libraries | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | my apt config really does strange things with its cache... | 02:59 |
| windshear | i dont know how the sound detection works, but i thought it would be done by the kernel, thats why i was surprised that it works in ubuntu and not in kubuntu | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | windshear: indeed, there is no reason that kubuntu reacts differently | 03:00 |
| Riddell | windshear: where do you get that error? | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | windshear: is pcm muted in kmix, by any chance? | 03:00 |
| windshear | in kde | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay, works, was due to apt cache once again... | 03:00 |
| Riddell | windshear: what happens if you run artsd from the command line? | 03:01 |
| windshear | when it has finished launching kde it freezes for 5 sec, then gives me this overload message | 03:01 |
| windshear | if i manually select 'open sound system' everything is ok | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: nice. kdesu works now. | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | adept comes up really quickly now too, yay | 03:03 |
| Riddell | groovy | 03:03 |
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| Tonio_ | of Riddell I discussed with a guy that night, that has free time and would like to code on kubuntu | 03:04 |
| windshear | Riddell I tried to run artsd, i get the following: there are already artsd objects registered, looking if they are active...... cpu overload, aborting | 03:04 |
| Riddell | windshear: so arts is broken for you | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | he uses C++ for a very long time and has some knowledge in kde/qt... so I talked him about adept, since mornfall wants some help | 03:05 |
| Riddell | windshear: which is strange since I have an AC97 too | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | he should come back today to rediscuss this with us | 03:05 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: cool | 03:05 |
| windshear | hmm | 03:05 |
| windshear | it is a c-media AC97 Audio device | 03:06 |
| windshear | and always worked with linux before | 03:06 |
| Riddell | windshear: try the kde 3.5.5 packages? | 03:07 |
| Riddell | maybe arts there fixes it | 03:07 |
| windshear | so ubuntu does not use artsd? | 03:08 |
| Riddell | no, gnome uses esd | 03:09 |
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| Tm_T | moin | 03:14 |
| mhb | Tm_T: moin | 03:15 |
| windshear | i'll do a full system update, this perhaps already fixes it | 03:15 |
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| gnomefreak | is there a link that shows the difference betweet server kernel and reg. kernels? | 03:18 |
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| jdong | gnomefreak: diff the config files? | 03:18 |
| gnomefreak | k ty | 03:18 |
| windshear | Riddell by the way it would be nice to have a button in the installer where you can select if it should try to connect to the internet | 03:19 |
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| Riddell | windshear: why? | 03:21 |
| windshear | in my case the pc is connected to lan but no direct internet connection is avaliable | 03:21 |
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| windshear | so the setup always hangs at: scanning for mirrors | 03:21 |
| Riddell | ah, hmm | 03:23 |
| windshear | i have to pull the lan plug before starting my pc so that it doesn't get an ip | 03:23 |
| Riddell | file a bug | 03:23 |
| windshear | if it has no ip, it just says no internet, comments out all the apt servers and continues | 03:23 |
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| windshear | this problem already existed in 6.06 dapper | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | sebas: you around? | 03:26 |
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| sebas | Hobbsee: y | 03:27 |
| sebas | But I might be in a meeting in two minutes | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | sebas: in g-p-m, why's the about button right next to the OK button? i keep hitting it instead of OK? | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | sebas: isnt a more sensible place to put it in the other corner, or something? | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | im' sure el would say something about it :P | 03:27 |
| sebas | Hobbsee: Probably yes, but I think it's a problem of KAboutDialog | 03:28 |
| TheBearded1_ | is the developer of adept-manager around? | 03:28 |
| sebas | I'll check when I have my notebook handy | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | hi TheBearded1 ;) | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | sebas: ahh okay. | 03:28 |
| sebas | If I forget, ping me, please | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | sebas: sure | 03:28 |
| sebas | TheBearded1_: nope | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1: mornfall isn't there but Riddell is | 03:28 |
| sebas | It's mornfall, AFAIK | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | TheBearded1_: mornfall? seems not | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: TheBearded1 is the guy I told you about | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | hey sebas :) | 03:29 |
| sebas | Hey Tonio_ | 03:29 |
| sebas | !meeting | 03:29 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about meeting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | !lastseen mornfall | 03:29 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about lastseen mornfall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | !seen mornfall | 03:29 |
| ubotu | mornfall is on IRC right now! | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | grmpf..... we need an eggdrop here | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | [23:30] [Whois] mornfall is a user on channels: #kde-devel | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: thanks :) I forgot lastseen wasn't supported | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: :) | 03:30 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, | 03:30 |
| imbrandon | Unpacking libqt4-debug (from libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ... | 03:30 |
| imbrandon | dpkg: error processing libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--install): | 03:30 |
| imbrandon | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQt3Support.so.4.2.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-qt3support | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: also /msg seenserv seen mornfall works too | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hu ? he blacklisted kubuntu-devel or ? | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: interesting | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1_ you probably can contact him on #kde-devel then | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | dunno | 03:31 |
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| Tonio_ | my god.... wengophone source is 7500 folders, 33000 files........ | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | 5 times more than kdebase.... | 03:38 |
| Tm_T | haha | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | I really would lke to wait for debian to package it and then sync ;) | 03:39 |
| Tm_T | yeah, I once tried compile it from cvs(?) | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | but I promissed to do it | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: it is a mess isn't it ? ;) | 03:39 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: do wengo provide .debs? | 03:39 |
| Tm_T | it was, no idea what it is nowadays | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, but no source packages, not even a tarball | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | I asked them why and it seems they just didn't even think about it...... | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | they just say "then use svn" | 03:40 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: did they think about it after you asked? | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | stupid....... tarball is usefull because it is stable | 03:40 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: oh, so there's no source package at all? | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, they think about it | 03:40 |
| Riddell | wonder how GPL compliant that is | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | we were several people saying that on the channel, so we'll discuss this on their ML | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well technically, if they provide a deb, but no source package, that's a gpl violation afaik | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | all you have if svn access | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: stevenk's already playing with wengophone | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: from debian ? | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | don't know this guy | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i think he was fixing the bugs in it. ask him in -motu if you want | 03:43 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: in ubuntu | 03:43 |
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| Tonio_ | how can a softphone be 538MB big (svn sources) ? that's completly stupid | 03:48 |
| Tm_T | hehe | 03:49 |
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| TheBearded1 | Tonio_: being cross-platform, do they implement video encoding and such things on their own? | 03:51 |
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| aeig | is there a big bug in the monitor & display module in system settings on edgy? | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | TheBearded1 yes they do, but honnesly, I never saw something that messy | 03:52 |
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| Tonio_ | aeig: works for me, but several people reported it failed launching | 03:52 |
| aeig | changes made in none administrator mode wouldn't be stored | 03:52 |
| aeig | change something in administrator mode results in a destroyed xorg.conf | 03:52 |
| Tonio_ | aeig: better talk with _Sime, he's docing this | 03:53 |
| aeig | ok | 03:53 |
| Tonio_ | coding | 03:53 |
| freeflying | raphink: do u need konqburn now? | 03:55 |
| aeig | _Sime: here? | 03:55 |
| raphink | nope freeflying | 03:55 |
| raphink | just think it could be nice | 03:55 |
| freeflying | but universe is freeze, or I can upload soon :) | 03:56 |
| raphink | universe is frozen | 03:56 |
| raphink | but it could be for edgy+1 | 03:56 |
| raphink | if the dev wants to take care of it | 03:57 |
| raphink | it can be a good idea to talk with him now | 03:57 |
| raphink | to have it on revu | 03:57 |
| Tm_T | what's situation with kdesu? | 04:00 |
| Riddell | fix0red | 04:00 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 04:00 |
| Tm_T | what version of what package I should have then | 04:00 |
| Tm_T | still broken here | 04:01 |
| Tm_T | kdebase/edgy uptodate 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 | 04:02 |
| raphink | these are not official packages though | 04:03 |
| raphink | yet | 04:03 |
| imbrandon | that version but you might need to wget it and reinstall it manualy | 04:03 |
| Tm_T | aah, I see, then no prob, I do that :) | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, did you see my qt4 thing from above ? | 04:04 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: nope | 04:05 |
| imbrandon | [08:30] <imbrandon> Riddell, | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | [08:30] <imbrandon> Unpacking libqt4-debug (from libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ... | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | [08:30] <imbrandon> dpkg: error processing libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--install): | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | [08:30] <imbrandon> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQt3Support.so.4.2.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-qt3support | 04:07 |
| Riddell | oh, blurg | 04:07 |
| Hawkwind | Is there an Edgy repo that we can test kde 3.5.5 yet ? | 04:08 |
| Riddell | yes | 04:08 |
| Riddell | deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main | 04:08 |
| Riddell | note hat it's top secret | 04:08 |
| Hawkwind | Riddell: Thanks. Going to test it now | 04:08 |
| === Hawkwind Knows nothing | ||
| Tm_T | Hawkwind: what's your name? | 04:08 |
| Hawkwind | Tm_T: I don't know :P | 04:09 |
| Tm_T | hehe | 04:09 |
| Tm_T | that's my boy ;) | 04:09 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: launchpad knows all | 04:10 |
| imbrandon | *cough*Cliff Wade*cough* | 04:10 |
| imbrandon | netsol.com/whois knows too ;) | 04:10 |
| Tm_T | haha | 04:10 |
| Hawkwind | imbrandon: Hah! | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 04:11 |
| imbrandon | Hawkwind, just fyi too it took 1and1 2 weeks of dragging their feet torelease the domain after the fax of cancleing | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | so when you switch give it plenty of time | 04:16 |
| Hawkwind | imbrandon: Ah thanks. I was wondering about that. I've got about 2 months til I have to worry about it | 04:16 |
| Tm_T | weird, my settings isn't applied thru kdesu | 04:16 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: they won't be, since it's run as root | 04:16 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 04:16 |
| Tm_T | but, err | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: how about kds and the alternatives thing ? | 04:16 |
| imbrandon | e.g goto custom dns and point the domain to dh and make sure it proigates BEFOER you cancle ) | 04:17 |
| Tm_T | I'm almost sure it did | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: another bug has been reported about this | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, i didnet finish it, i'll do that now | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: bug 64175 | 04:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64175 in kubuntu-default-settings "[edgy] reverts to kubuntu's usplash at each upgrade" [Undecided,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64175 | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: just fyi so that you can close the bug ;) | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | kk | 04:17 |
| Hawkwind | imbrandon: Yeah my DNS is all handled with domainordering.com actually so I don't have to rely on my webhosts to have the options or whatever | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | kk | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | anyone have dapper handy ? | 04:28 |
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| === jdong waits for someone to blame it on xine.... | ||
| TheBearded1 | it probably is xine's fault | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | did you file a bug in kde bts? | 04:33 |
| jdong | imbrandon: that hairy thing? :) | 04:33 |
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| Hobbsee | heh | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | that hary thing gives you the right to complain, other wise shush | 04:33 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:33 |
| jdong | I'm not complaining... I said I was amused | 04:34 |
| TheBearded1 | jdong: internet explorer can't handle 302's on url's set from within javascript | 04:34 |
| jdong | complaining is when my ICH8 SATA does not work on Edgy | 04:34 |
| jdong | HINT HINT | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | wrong chanell HINT HINT ;P | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | channel* | 04:34 |
| jdong | imbrandon: I already bitched in the other channel this morning :) | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | other channel ? that would imply this would be correct too <grin> | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | clearly false heh | 04:35 |
| jdong | well.. it affects kubuntu too :P | 04:35 |
| jdong | finding my hard drive might help towards loading kdm | 04:36 |
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| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| Hawkwind | Riddell: If you're around trappist is around as well if you'd like to or need to speak to him about the ops thing | 04:57 |
| Riddell | I've opped him | 05:05 |
| === Hobbsee beds. | ||
| Hobbsee | night all | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | gnight Hobbsee | 05:06 |
| mhb | gnight | 05:06 |
| Hawkwind | Riddell: Many thanks :) | 05:08 |
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| jdong | _Sime: poke | 05:39 |
| jdong | _Sime: unpoke | 05:39 |
| gnomefreak | amarok can be used with ipod? and some sort of "itunes? | 05:43 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yes and no | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | it can be used with ipod, but does not stand as an "itunes like" | 05:46 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | you can only manage files in the ipod, that's all | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shoudn't we ship an email notification system with kubuntu ? | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | I miss that sometimes :) | 05:50 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: notification of what? | 05:50 |
| gnomefreak | email notification? | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: email notification | 05:52 |
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| Tonio_ | it checks the mails in the background and when new mails are there, you get an icon in the systray | 05:52 |
| gnomefreak | yay | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | better than starting kontact everytime to check........ at least in my opinion | 05:52 |
| sistpoty | hi folks | 05:53 |
| gnomefreak | support multiple email boxes please :( | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | that's very usefull for people that don't receive a lot of emails | 05:53 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: kmail | 05:53 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sounds like your want a watching feature in ksystemlog | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: kmail can't do that afaik | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum I don't see the point with ksystemlog ? | 05:53 |
| marseillai | euh it stay in systray and show umber of unread mail | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: but you can't configure it to "open reduced", so that you have to launch it first | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: the point a real email notification client is a daemon | 05:54 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you want a feature in ksystemlog that monitors the log files for important stuff and gives you a notification | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: close kmail and it doesn't work anymore, that's why email notification clients exist :) | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no, you missunderstoof me | 05:55 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: oki! perhaps it could be better to ask a feature for kmail : hide icon when no new mail or something similar ? | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I want an app, like kded daemon, that checks for my mails and popups me when new mails are available | 05:55 |
| pascalFR | marseillai: already present | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | I didn't found a way to do that with kmail | 05:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no you don't, since ubuntu doesn't e-mail anything | 05:56 |
| Riddell | oh, you mean general e-mails | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: AHHHHHHHHHHHH ! ;) | 05:56 |
| Riddell | I misunderstood, appologies | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | yes, I'm talking about an "email notification client" | 05:57 |
| Tonio_ | but in general | 05:57 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: "configurer kmail -> apparence -> boite a miniatures -> n'afficher kmail que s'il y a des messages non lu" it's not what you want ? | 05:57 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: let me check | 05:57 |
| pascalFR | marseillai: that's what I said | 05:57 |
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| Tonio_ | I'm sure that's not that | 05:58 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: investigate korn | 05:58 |
| marseillai | pascalFR: i didn't know i've just find that! it must be recent feature | 05:58 |
| pascalFR | marseillai: yeah just one year ago ;) | 05:58 |
| marseillai | oki pascalFR .... | 05:58 |
| marseillai | sorry | 05:58 |
| pascalFR | marseillai: dont be :) | 05:58 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai, pascalFR: okay it works, but will that restart automatically with a kde session | 05:58 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 05:58 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't that need to launch kmail manually the first time , | 05:59 |
| pascalFR | Tonio_: as long as kontact is running when u stop kde yes | 05:59 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: just launch kmail at start | 05:59 |
| pascalFR | kontact / kmail is part of session | 05:59 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: yes but I want to avoid that | 05:59 |
| pascalFR | Tonio_: avoid what ? | 05:59 |
| Tonio_ | pascalFR: having to unsure kontact/kmail is launched when I stop | 06:00 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: it would need a "start on start-up" feature for kmail | 06:00 |
| Tonio_ | pascalFR: a "real" email notification client is a daemon | 06:00 |
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| pascalFR | Tonio_: yes of course but this one is integrated to kmail only when it is running | 06:00 |
| pascalFR | that's the main problem of too much integration | 06:01 |
| pascalFR | idem for akregator notif | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | pascalFR: hum, the other point is I'm getting a systray icon even when I don't have unread messages, as long as kontact is closed | 06:01 |
| pascalFR | Tonio_: marseillai has found the option for that | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | pascalFR: yes, but it respects your choices only when kontact is opened :) | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | close kontact/kmail, and you get the icon everytime | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: can you confirm this ? | 06:02 |
| pascalFR | Tonio_: I find thius icon practical because cliking on it allows to hide/show kontact and send msg etc | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | pascalFR: yes I agree on that point | 06:03 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: no if i close kmail icon disappear | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: hu ? | 06:03 |
| pascalFR | Tonio_: you are true if kontact is stopped u have no more notification | 06:03 |
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| === marseillai never use kontact and run kmail as standalone | ||
| pascalFR | there is no difference I think marseillai | 06:04 |
| pascalFR | the kmail icon is just a RUNNING indicator | 06:04 |
| marseillai | yes | 06:04 |
| pascalFR | that can change on no read emails | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | hum, marseillai it looks like your right | 06:04 |
| marseillai | as usual Tonio_ ........ :p | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | pascalFR: in fact I choosed to hide icon and that works pretty nicelly | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | let's wait for a mail to come.... | 06:05 |
| pascalFR | Tonio_: yes but kmail is still running | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | pascalFR: yes | 06:05 |
| pascalFR | ok :) | 06:05 |
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| Tonio_ | so it is possible to configure it as a notification client | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | now the question is what happens if I logout/login | 06:05 |
| pascalFR | if will still be there | 06:06 |
| pascalFR | as long as kmail runs when you logout | 06:06 |
| marseillai | i'm not sure | 06:06 |
| pascalFR | I am | 06:06 |
| pascalFR | I do that everyday | 06:06 |
| marseillai | pascalFR: i don't use restore seesion | 06:06 |
| marseillai | so it'll not start | 06:06 |
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| TheBearded1 | you have to have it autoatically save your session when you logout | 06:06 |
| TheBearded1 | automatically* | 06:06 |
| marseillai | i launch it with ~/.kde/Autostart | 06:07 |
| pascalFR | and since kmail freeze a lot when reading mails I delayed first auto retrieving of mails | 06:07 |
| pascalFR | marseillai: yes session or autostart | 06:07 |
| pascalFR | sessions now start very fast on edgy | 06:08 |
| sistpoty | Tonio_: I've been playing with kubuntu-default-settings a little bit... imo it shouldn't ship /.hidden and /media/.hidden in the package, as an admin might want to modify them (and thus these would just get overwritten) | 06:08 |
| sistpoty | Tonio_: I've already patched the package to put these to /etc/kubuntu-default-settings and create symlinks instead... what do you think? | 06:09 |
| Tonio_ | sistpoty: hum, that can be said for any file in fact | 06:09 |
| Tonio_ | sistpoty: that's interesting indeed | 06:09 |
| Tonio_ | sistpoty: did you upload that to bzr ? | 06:09 |
| pascalFR | wow since last edgy update I cannot open dirs on konqueror | 06:10 |
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| sistpoty | Tonio_: I'm not in kubuntu-devel... I'm just pushing to tiber (will take some more minutes I guess *g*) | 06:10 |
| Tonio_ | sistpoty: can you send me your modifications ? | 06:10 |
| pascalFR | clicking on dirs start kaffeine !? :D | 06:10 |
| Tonio_ | pascalFR: hu ????????? | 06:10 |
| sistpoty | Tonio_: ok... will do a debdiff | 06:10 |
| pascalFR | something weid with file assos | 06:10 |
| pascalFR | weird | 06:10 |
| pascalFR | where should I look? | 06:11 |
| Tonio_ | pascalFR: remove ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror | 06:11 |
| Tonio_ | pascalFR: something going wrong there probably | 06:11 |
| pascalFR | saving my bookmarks and cookies ! | 06:11 |
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| pascalFR | is it normal to have lots of *.new files in ~/.kde/share/config/ ? | 06:13 |
| pascalFR | file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc | 06:15 |
| pascalFR | file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc0yIf9a.new | 06:15 |
| pascalFR | file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrcDGJsbb.new | 06:15 |
| pascalFR | file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrcil69eb.new | 06:15 |
| pascalFR | file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrclJ9Pha.new | 06:15 |
| pascalFR | file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrcNgIOUa.new | 06:15 |
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| Riddell | pascalFR: I have plenty | 06:19 |
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| sistpoty | Tonio_: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/kubuntu-default-settings.debdiff | 06:19 |
| pascalFR | humm file assos for inode/directory is now kaffeine by default ! | 06:19 |
| pascalFR | it worked this morning | 06:20 |
| pascalFR | i just did an upgrade one hour ago | 06:20 |
| Riddell | sistpoty: why are symlinks better than files? | 06:22 |
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| toma | pascalFR: kaffeine not starting? | 06:22 |
| sistpoty | Riddell: if I change the files locally, these will just get overwritten with the next version of the package... | 06:22 |
| sistpoty | Riddell: however being in /etc, these are treated as conffiles | 06:23 |
| Riddell | interesting | 06:23 |
| Riddell | win 11 | 06:23 |
| Riddell | tsk | 06:23 |
| pascalFR | toma: yes not starting | 06:24 |
| pascalFR | kaffeine is now the first choice in file assos | 06:24 |
| pascalFR | konqueror the second | 06:25 |
| toma | pascalFR: i spotted a debian report for that as well, iirc it is forwarded upstream | 06:25 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, w00t we have dedicated guineypigs^Wtesters in #kubuntu-testers now ;) | 06:25 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: that's rather exciting | 06:25 |
| toma | pascalFR: oh, that i dont know | 06:25 |
| pascalFR | and this happens just after kubuntu-defauts-setting as been updated ... | 06:25 |
| pascalFR | has | 06:25 |
| pascalFR | very strange | 06:26 |
| pascalFR | i cannot be the only one in this case | 06:26 |
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| Tonio_ | sistpoty: why .PHONY: install clean build ? | 06:28 |
| sistpoty | Tonio_: these targets don't create any files called install/clean or build?... then these are phony targetes | 06:28 |
| sistpoty | Tonio_: but that's just asthethics w.o. real impact ;) | 06:29 |
| imbrandon | Riddell / sistpoty , i think the bug number in that changelog is wrong too | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | sistpoty: okay, I'm testing and comitting if that works, thanks ! | 06:29 |
| sistpoty | Tonio_: cool, thanks | 06:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: if you're doing k-d-s you can remove the dep on lipstick as well if we've changed to plastik | 06:29 |
| sistpoty | imbrandon: /me looks | 06:29 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: kxmame problem is solve? | 06:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: heh, indeed, I forgot that :) | 06:30 |
| sistpoty | imbrandon: right... type here :) | 06:30 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: nope, that's a bit complicated in fact... | 06:30 |
| marseillai | ok | 06:30 |
| pascalFR | ii kubuntu-default-set 6.10-53 | 06:31 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: will requires a new version build, and as the app is now unmaintained, I wonder if that's necessary... | 06:31 |
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| sistpoty | Tonio_: the bugnumber should be 63048 | 06:31 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: and remember to do it in the bzr archive :) | 06:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just finished cleaning the sources.... | 06:31 |
| marseillai | Tonio_: is there a replacement for this package ? | 06:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: for openwengo.... still 130 MB | 06:31 |
| Riddell | whee | 06:31 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: don't think so, but xmame as its own gui | 06:32 |
| Tonio_ | sistpoty: will correct the bug number too, thanks (klipper funky sometimes) | 06:32 |
| imbrandon | did anyone make a debian/rule to rm -rf the .bzr ? and what about upgrades for people that have .hidden already in / ? | 06:32 |
| sistpoty | imbrandon: it will get removed if the old package is removed... then the new package's postinst will create the symlinks to the correct files | 06:33 |
| imbrandon | removed yes, but replaced ? | 06:34 |
| imbrandon | or both | 06:34 |
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| imbrandon | heya \sh | 06:34 |
| === sistpoty looks at the policy, in what order stuff is done... | ||
| \sh | moins | 06:35 |
| \sh | hmm...why doesn't cdrecord has the permissions to burn a cd via k3b? | 06:36 |
| \sh | edgy that is | 06:36 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: isn't that done ? I asked for the same thing a moment ago and I was told it was resolved in edgy | 06:37 |
| \sh | Tonio_: hmm...I should wait for my dist-upgrade ,) | 06:37 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: hehe | 06:38 |
| \sh | the other thing is, shouldn't we have smp kernels in edgy by default, even for desktop installs? | 06:38 |
| sistpoty | imbrandon: it's s.th. like that: old package get's uninstalled, removing /.hidden (since it was in the package). new package get's unpacked with /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root. upgrade get's run (noop for hidden-files stuff) and finally configure is run, which creates the symlinks to /etc/.../hidden-root | 06:38 |
| sistpoty | hey \sh | 06:38 |
| \sh | because my dual core laptop tells me I just have one cpu and not two ,) | 06:38 |
| imbrandon | sistpoty, ahh yes becosue it wasent a config file before, right , my mistake | 06:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and openwengo as no scons configure directive, so dealing with builddeps is a real........ pleasure....... | 06:39 |
| imbrandon | err "seen" as a config | 06:39 |
| sistpoty | imbrandon: yes... but for the postinst/postrm scripts, it's better to have another look, since it mustn't fail in any case | 06:40 |
| imbrandon | \sh, you do have the -generic kernel installed correct ? ( e.g. the -386 isnt smp enabled ) | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | ( assuming your on edgy ) | 06:41 |
| \sh | imbrandon: oh damn...why is it installing -386v ;) | 06:41 |
| imbrandon | afaik becosue of some rare driver issues with smp kernels to be fixed by edgy+1 but for now if you have smp you need the -generic kernel | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | and hope you dont need the ralink driver ;) | 06:42 |
| imbrandon | easy , just " sudo apt-get install linux-generic " and reboot , problem solved, but yes it should be handled better | 06:43 |
| imbrandon | but thats the "hot-to" for now | 06:43 |
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| imbrandon | s/hot/how | 06:43 |
| \sh | imbrandon: THX :) | 06:44 |
| bddebian | Howdy | 06:46 |
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| imbrandon | heya bddebian | 06:47 |
| bddebian | Hi imbrandon | 06:47 |
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| mhb | Riddell: two minutes faster :o) | 07:03 |
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| Tonio_ | sistpoty: uploaded | 07:04 |
| sistpoty | Tonio_: cool, thx | 07:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: first real kds bzr version is out :) | 07:04 |
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| sistpoty | cya | 07:22 |
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| aeig | _Sime: are you here ? | 07:28 |
| mhb | Riddell: in your meeting invitation email you wrote "see you in #ubuntu-devel" but meeting's as usual in #ubuntu-meeting (looks like it's scheduled there), right? | 07:30 |
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| Riddell | doh | 07:33 |
| imbrandon_ | okies i'm off to take a nap before the meeting while this kde compiles some more heh | 07:35 |
| imbrandon_ | see yall in a few hours | 07:35 |
| mhb | imbrandon_: enjoy the well-deserved rest :o) | 07:35 |
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| jdong | \sh_away: if had the 386 kernel before your dist-upgrade, it'll still pull in a 386 kernel | 07:39 |
| jdong | if you pulled in ubuntu-desktop, it'll also pull in linux-generic, too :D | 07:39 |
| jdong | sysmond: CRITICAL load average: amadeus.jd.lan reported 1175.50 | 07:43 |
| jdong | *blink* | 07:44 |
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| jdong | *sigh*, amazing what bad indenting in Python could do | 07:46 |
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| Riddell | yay! | 08:10 |
| Riddell | _Sime: I take it you can't come to the US summit? | 08:10 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: it sounds nice, but I don't have the holiday time AND I'm going to Oz for 5 weeks at the end of the year. | 08:10 |
| Riddell | ooh, save your holiday for oz then | 08:11 |
| _Sime | it is just not possible to organise that with my Real Work. | 08:12 |
| _Sime | Riddell: you've going? | 08:12 |
| Riddell | _Sime: to the US? of course | 08:12 |
| Riddell | so's sebas (yay!) | 08:12 |
| jdong | Riddell: can bug 61946 be marked higher priority and targetted at 6.10? | 08:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946 | 08:12 |
| jdong | Riddell: that's a high data loss potential bug | 08:13 |
| Riddell | jdong: has _Sime responded to that? | 08:13 |
| _Sime | Bastard! | 08:13 |
| jdong | Riddell: IIRC _Sime didn't cause the bug :) | 08:13 |
| _Sime | :-) | 08:13 |
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| _Sime | I'll see sebas on the weekend. | 08:13 |
| _Sime | jdong: I'm hacking on it right now actually. | 08:14 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: I want to get to Akademy 2007, and whatever summit there is mid-2007 for Ubuntu. | 08:14 |
| Riddell | akademy sometime in july in glasgow, ubuntu probably May time | 08:15 |
| _Sime | glasgow sounds do-able. | 08:16 |
| _Sime | once i figure out where it is. ;-) | 08:16 |
| _Sime | jdong: does the unmount dialog work in dapper for you? or anyone? | 08:18 |
| jdong | _Sime: it works in stock dapper | 08:18 |
| jdong | _Sime: I've not tried dapper 3.5.4 repos recently but IIRC they worked | 08:18 |
| _Sime | jdong: stock eh | 08:19 |
| jdong | as in dapper + dapper-updates | 08:19 |
| _Sime | I'm using dapper plus the 3.5.4 repo. | 08:20 |
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| jdong | _Sime: and does that work? | 08:24 |
| jdong | (I'm guessing no, from your questions) | 08:24 |
| _Sime | I've tried to make it appear, but it won't. | 08:24 |
| jdong | _Sime: are your usb devices mounted async? | 08:26 |
| jdong | can you see activity after unmounting? | 08:26 |
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| _Sime | jdong: on dapper or edgy? | 08:28 |
| jdong | on either | 08:28 |
| jdong | After I umount on either, I can clearly see iowait activity for a while, depending on how much data I wrote | 08:28 |
| jdong | in an extreme case, around 1 minute's worth of iowait | 08:29 |
| jdong | during which time KDE is basically telling me it's safe to yank out my stick | 08:29 |
| _Sime | /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8) | 08:33 |
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| jdong | hmm | 08:40 |
| jdong | yeah, that should make for a dangerous umount | 08:40 |
| jdong | kde 3.5.2 definitely showed a unmount progress dialog for that | 08:40 |
| _Sime | jdong: have you looked through bugs.kde.rog? | 08:44 |
| jdong | _Sime: it's a hairy mess, and I could never get search to narrow bugs below half a quintillion hits | 08:45 |
| jdong | so if you have more eperience with it, good luck :) | 08:45 |
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| fdoving | hmm.. anyone know where the prism2_usb driver is on edgy? can't find it on a freshly installed edgy-beta | 09:24 |
| fdoving | nevermind.. they are gone. | 09:25 |
| jdong | fdoving: I believe the next kernel upload is turning it back on? | 09:31 |
| jdong | but then that might've been my dream last night where I was browsing upstream changelogs | 09:31 |
| fdoving | haha.. you should take a break. a walk in the forest is nice. :) | 09:33 |
| fdoving | the next kernel really should turn it back on. | 09:33 |
| fdoving | and it should also update the bcm43xx driver, currently my ibook hard-freezes every ~5-6 hours if the wlan is enabled. | 09:33 |
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| fdoving | googled it and found it's a known bug. | 09:34 |
| jdong | as much as I'd love to sit here and put on a BenC hat, your best bet is to go poke him about it :) | 09:34 |
| fdoving | if you say so :) | 09:36 |
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| trappist | what package do I want if I want to poke at the way kde handles changing desktop backgrounds when it's cycling through a directory of images | 09:49 |
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| danimo | heya folks | 09:51 |
| Riddell | yo yo danimo | 09:51 |
| danimo | heya | 09:51 |
| trappist | for example, I'd like add a feature to let it search directories recursively for images to use | 09:51 |
| danimo | Riddell: I guess you still haven't tried amarok and daap? | 09:51 |
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| danimo | (along with zeroconf) | 09:51 |
| Riddell | can't say I have | 09:51 |
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| danimo | Riddell: doesn't work for me it seems :( | 09:52 |
| Riddell | zeroconf I've tried, I need to fix that | 09:52 |
| danimo | Riddell: fixed what? | 09:52 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: wengophone should be done toonight | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but that'll not be accepted in uvf exception request | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | that's not a bugfix release.... | 09:55 |
| Riddell | danimo: I need to fix zeroconf | 09:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: well, maybe we can talk nicely to the masters :) | 09:56 |
| danimo | Riddell: what's wrong with it? | 09:56 |
| Riddell | danimo: libnss-mdns doesn't set up nss.switch properly | 09:56 |
| danimo | Riddell: ah, that's why I cannot find anything :) | 09:57 |
| Riddell | add mdns at the end of hosts: | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe :) not to mention him ;) | 09:59 |
| danimo | Riddell: does mdns-scan have to be installed? | 09:59 |
| danimo | Riddell: I did that, before dns as adviced on the kde wiki | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | I have finished the code cleaning and builddeps, just the "install" part needs to be done (because that doesn't go in standard folders of course, so debhelper cannot install the files...) | 10:00 |
| danimo | Riddell: nothing happens | 10:00 |
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| Lure | interesting bug 62703 - another reason not to use gtk... ;-) | 10:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 62703 in Ubuntu "huge desktop memory leak" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/62703 | 10:40 |
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| Tonio_ | meeting in 15 minutes | 10:46 |
| marseillai | question : when we will be able to add some feature request for edgy+1 ? | 10:47 |
| jdong | marseillai: his name is Santa... he comes about once a year | 10:48 |
| marseillai | edgy +1 will be call santa ? | 10:49 |
| marseillai | jdong: scuse me i'm not sure i've well understand | 10:49 |
| jdong | marseillai: never mind, launchpad, distro ubuntu, the features button on the left | 10:50 |
| jdong | marseillai: I was basically trying to tell you that from my experience, putting things on that list is like writing your government welfare system for a 16-core opteron server :) | 10:51 |
| marseillai | lol | 10:52 |
| marseillai | oki | 10:52 |
| marseillai | i was wondering two things for ubiquity : simplify partionning! i didn't understood it at all and came back to alternate cd because of it! and create a power-user mode of installation with package selection, sources.list modification ..... | 10:53 |
| Riddell | ** three minutes to meeting in #ubuntu-meeting | 10:59 |
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| GNUro | Hi | 11:27 |
| seaLne | kwwii: the background i get on my second head (xinerama) looks a bit disjointed and dosen't seem to match up with the main one, not sure if its just my setup | 11:28 |
| seaLne | i'll try to remember to get a screen shot tommorow at work | 11:29 |
| kwwii | hrm, sounds funny, the file itself is quite big, perhaps there is some scaling problems going on | 11:29 |
| seaLne | i ahve 2 1280x1024 | 11:29 |
| kwwii | well, if they are both the same size, you should get exactly the same ratio | 11:30 |
| kwwii | if they are different ratio's the pic will be stretched a bit different | 11:30 |
| seaLne | probably easier to wait till screenshot :) | 11:31 |
| seaLne | i'm stil trying to decide if i like xinerama, previously i've always had seperate heads, but haven't worked out how to do it on ne ati dual head card | 11:31 |
| kwwii | hehe | 11:32 |
| kwwii | yeah, I actually liked having seperate logins | 11:32 |
| seaLne | i didn't have seperate logins but they were distinct, so apart from shared kbd+mouse they behaved independantly and i could change desktops on 1 without affecting the other | 11:33 |
| kwwii | there almost needs to be a bigger themeing idea behind multi-head setups | 11:34 |
| kwwii | that would be really cool | 11:35 |
| kwwii | like staying at the movie long enough to learn the real secrets which only came at the very end | 11:35 |
| kwwii | :p | 11:35 |
| seaLne | normally i just have a black background which is simpler :) | 11:38 |
| kwwii | hehe, no doubt | 11:38 |
| kwwii | actually, a tiled bg is perfect for this kinda thing as well | 11:38 |
| kwwii | but tiled bgs are soooo out | 11:38 |
| seaLne | but big improvement recently(?) when kdm has a background on both heads | 11:39 |
| kwwii | one day, when Tonio_ is some big, famous KDE guy I will saw I knew him when he was young | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: mouarf :) hard to become famous when you don't code :) | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: I don't plan to learn C++ at all :) | 11:43 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you can do it in php ;-) | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: lol | 11:45 |
| Lure | Tonio_: and you mentioned that you are learning python | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, true | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | but I am at the very begining | 11:46 |
| kwwii | Tonio_: don't worry...the grasshopper does not know the extent of the world until he makes his first jump (/me tries to sound mystical) | 11:47 |
| kwwii | one day you can say I was a mentor or some crap like that | 11:48 |
| seaLne | jdong: isn't that what flash drives are for? | 11:48 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: lol :) | 11:48 |
| jdong | seaLne: dvd+rw's are considerably cheaper | 11:48 |
| seaLne | jdong: is it something many people do? | 11:48 |
| toma | Tonio_: is digikamimageplugins also on the cd? | 11:48 |
| jdong | seaLne: I use that functionality of +RW's a lot | 11:49 |
| jdong | seaLne: I have flash drives, but I can't buy 40GB worth of flash drives for 5 bucks | 11:49 |
| jdong | those with too much free time on their hands have attempted ubuntu installs to dvd+rw's, actually, and I've heard limited success stories :D | 11:50 |
| seaLne | is it specific to + rather than -? | 11:50 |
| Tonio_ | toma: no | 11:50 |
| toma | Tonio_: hm. | 11:51 |
| Lure | Tonio_: why not? | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | toma: we don't ship showfoto | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | and they are mostly usefull with it | 11:51 |
| jdong | seaLne: it's specific to +. - does not support truly random access, i.e. block device | 11:52 |
| toma | Tonio_: no, thats not true | 11:52 |
| seaLne | i only just ordered some rw dvds recently to play with | 11:52 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but digikam editor uses them too | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | toma, Lure: Size: 4462602 | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | maybe the day we have freed some space on the cd, we can ship it | 11:54 |
| toma | Tonio_: i prefer them above kipi | 11:54 |
| Lure | Tonio_: they are not even in main :-( | 11:54 |
| Lure | toma: +1 | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I really hope we'll give a try at koffice for edgy+1, but that'll probably be discussed at UDS | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | yes, but kipi-plugins can be used in several applications, not only digikam | 11:55 |
| allee | toma, Lure: really? YOu do lot's of image editing? Compared to slideshow sendimage etc in kpi-plugins? | 11:55 |
| === Tonio_ wonders if krita uses kipi-plugins too | ||
| toma | allee: well, digikam without the plugins is kind of running outside naked | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | I beleive yes | 11:55 |
| allee | Tonio_: no | 11:55 |
| Lure | allee: adjustcurves/levels are useful | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | allee: okay | 11:56 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I would like to include them, but the size on the cd becomes a problem, really...... | 11:56 |
| === allee only used red eye correction and crop. both included in digikam itself ;) | ||
| Tonio_ | winfloss can be discussed too... but not a chance to remove that.... | 11:57 |
| seaLne | i wonder if we can teach the cat "rm -rf /" :) | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | although I think that winfloss shouldn't be prior to kubuntu content | 11:57 |
| Lure | Tonio_: does not help for ppc and amd64 where we have the least space | 11:57 |
| seaLne | isn't winfloss what the opencd is for? | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, | 11:57 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: true, that's why, even if that's usefull, I think that'll have to be removed one day | 11:58 |
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| Tonio_ | winfloss + OOo are about 100 MB | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | 15% of the cd | 11:58 |
| seaLne | i'd be interested to know if there are any statistics about anyone ever using the winfloss stuff | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | but I agree winfloss isn't THE solution since amd64 as the same problem | 11:58 |
| Tonio_ | seaLne: very few people in my opinion | 11:59 |
| seaLne | yeah | 11:59 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: concerning amd64, that's another debate.... maybe one day that'll just be a dvd, I don't know... | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | amd64 computers generally have a dvd and a dsl line :) | 12:00 |
| Riddell | kwwii: https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+branch/kubuntu-website/main | 12:04 |
| Riddell | you need to bzr branch that one | 12:04 |
| Riddell | and you can bzr checkout https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members/+branch/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu | 12:04 |
| Riddell | see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-October/001364.html | 12:05 |
| kwwii | Riddell: erm, am I in kubuntu-members? | 12:06 |
| imbrandon_ | kwwii: yes | 12:06 |
| freeflying | imbrandon_: kde-355 ok now? | 12:07 |
| imbrandon_ | https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members | 12:07 |
| imbrandon_ | kwwii: ^^ | 12:07 |
| kwwii | imbrandon_: thanks | 12:07 |
| imbrandon_ | freeflying: still compiling , its only about 1/3 the way done | 12:07 |
| imbrandon_ | my ppc compiler is SLOW heh | 12:07 |
| kwwii | this whole launchpad thins makes my head spin | 12:08 |
| imbrandon_ | freeflying: but Riddell said he is going to get a uvf for it tomarrow so it will be in the main archive soon | 12:08 |
| imbrandon_ | ( and qt4.2 ) | 12:08 |
| freeflying | imbrandon_: yep | 12:08 |
| imbrandon_ | kwwii: hehe yea it took me a long time to get used to ut | 12:09 |
| imbrandon_ | it* | 12:09 |
| imbrandon_ | but its nice once you figure out all the bits | 12:09 |
| kwwii | imbrandon_: definitely true | 12:12 |
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