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[12:17] <Riddell> hmm, right
[12:18] <Hawkwind> Hmmm, there is a way you can change the images there but I don't remember how
[12:18] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Looks like you can only actually register as a Ubuntu user, but you can change images and get a Kubuntu image for forums and things
[12:23] <Hawkwind> Riddell: The person I was referring to was trappist
[12:24] <Hawkwind> Figured I'd just tell you here since the emails keep being rejected for some strange reason
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like the first issue with openwengo is getting a tarball.....
[02:02] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:05] <nixternal> i think konversation needs a new default color scheme in edgy ;)
[02:27] <TheBearded1_> i have a bug to report, and a couple questions about usability
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdesu still fails here, even after reinstall kdebase-bin...
[02:32] <Tonio_> I just restarted kde to be sure, but it still wants to talk to su
[02:34] <TheBearded1_> Tonio_: where can I sign up for kubuntu development?
[02:34] <TheBearded1_> is there any shortage of kubuntu developers?
[02:35] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: there is no "signup"
[02:35] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: need any info on how it works in fact ?
[02:36] <Tonio_> the structure etc ???
[02:39] <TheBearded1_> well, i've tried this before and I just couldn't get into it (not I didn't want to, but nobody would let me package anything/touch existing packages)
[02:39] <Tonio_> hum, strange
[02:39] <Tonio_> okay let's resume the thing
[02:39] <Tonio_> everything starts with contribution
[02:39] <Tonio_> there is no signup
[02:39] <TheBearded1_> but I installed edgy a couple days ago, and I'm really liking what it's shaping up to be
[02:40] <Tonio_> you have dozens of way to contribute (packaging, docs, debugging etc...)
[02:40] <TheBearded1_> well I'd like to start my contributions by getting knetworkmanager to be a package installed from the very beginning
[02:40] <Tonio_> best place if you wanna start is this channel, since you can easilly find people to sponsor your work
[02:40] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: hehe, we'll rediscuss about knetworkmanager :) it is a complicated issue
[02:41] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: when you have done significant contribution, you can apply to become kubuntu-member
[02:41] <TheBearded1_> I figured it had atleast discussed before, what was the decision about knetworkmanager, or rather, why was it not decided on, it or some other network manager?
[02:42] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: the problem with knetworkmanager is that all wifi cards linux drivers are not wext compatible
[02:42] <TheBearded1_> NetworkManager only has a wext backend?
[02:42] <Tonio_> so there are people for which (k)networkmanager don't work, while other tools do
[02:43] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: it uses wpa_supplicant
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> wpa_supplicant has multiple backends
[02:43] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: so it has the same limitations, need to be launched with a driver
[02:43] <h3sp4wn> Is kde 3.5.5 definately not going to go into edgy ?
[02:43] <Tonio_> h3sp4wn: yes, it has, but most of the time wext is used by default if your card isn't support by any other driver
[02:44] <Tonio_> h3sp4wn: could be if accepted, we will ask for it to get in
[02:44] <TheBearded1_> are newer driver developers not using wext? I mean, who in their right mind wouldn't code a wireless driver against it?
[02:44] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: there is no "work" needed for knetworkmanager to be shiped by default, just that it needs to be discussed and approved
[02:45] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: there is an effort to go to wext for most drivers
[02:45] <TheBearded1_> and i'm gonna take a guess and say that a discussion started by a newcomer isn't gonna make it happen :( ?
[02:45] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: I think in the near future, we will ship it by default, but that'll probably wait for networkmanager 0.7, with IP settings support
[02:45] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: not everyone uses dhcp so knetworkmanager isn't the perfect solution at the moment
[02:45] <TheBearded1_> is that something being developed upstream right now?
[02:46] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: yes, networkmanager 0.7 is supposed to support this
[02:46] <TheBearded1_> release eta?
[02:46] <TheBearded1_> in time for edgy?
[02:46] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: I agree to the fact knetworkmanager should at least feet on the cd, if not installed
[02:46] <h3sp4wn> What is wrong with wpagui ? its qt and small (and written by the people who write wpasupplicant)
[02:46] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: no it'll be in a few month, probably for edgy +1
[02:47] <TheBearded1_> it's not on by default
[02:47] <TheBearded1_> i think the fact that there's not a user friendly way to configure network devices out of the box should be seen as a bug
[02:47] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: edgy is in post beta state now, so appart from essential components like kde, no updates are allowed, only bugfixing
[02:47] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: If I had to choose, I would ship it :) but I am not the only one to decide :)
[02:48] <Tonio_> I am only the maintainer of knetworkmanager, but that also includes wpa_supplicant, networkmanager, and I can't decide for those
[02:48] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: what are you interested in concerning kubuntu dev ? packaging, coding, bug fixing ?
[02:49] <TheBearded1_> i'd like to do some ui programming
[02:49] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: have some knowledge in QT/kde dev ?
[02:49] <TheBearded1_> packaging.........not a big fan of
[02:49] <Tonio_> we miss UI developpers
[02:50] <TheBearded1_> a lot of c++ experience, and a little qt experience
[02:50] <Tonio_> definitly miss, so there are lots of potential work to do if you want to
[02:50] <TheBearded1_> but i know how to read api docs :)
[02:50] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: well, that could be interesting
[02:50] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: no new development will be done for edgy now, but will for edgy+1
[02:50] <TheBearded1_> yeah i understand that
[02:51] <Tonio_> and that can be started right now
[02:51] <TheBearded1_> if edgy is already locked out for new apps, sounds like it has to in order for a package to make it in
[02:51] <Tonio_> examples : better Adept UI, python/kde application to install packages locally like gdebi
[02:51] <TheBearded1_> yeah i found an adept bug that i'm not sure has been reported (a bug search for adept was huge)
[02:52] <TheBearded1_> I went to install sun-java5-jre through adept the other day
[02:52] <TheBearded1_> BIG mistake
[02:52] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: yes, mornfall is developing it, and most of the time, he is here
[02:52] <TheBearded1_> it got stuck, because aptitude was waiting for the OK on the license agreement
[02:52] <TheBearded1_> so i ended up having to kill adept
[02:52] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: ah you had issues with debconf too ? ;)
[02:53] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: mornfall is searching for help, really
[02:53] <TheBearded1_> so i had to kill it, run dpkg --configure -a, unlock a few databases, reinstall a couple packages, then install sun-java5-jre manually
[02:53] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: if you have experience in C++ and are ready to help, adept is probably THE project that currently needs live
[02:53] <Tonio_> love
[02:54] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: if you feel ready to help on that point, best is to come back tomorow so that we can discuss this with Riddell (kubuntu boss) and mornfall if he is there
[02:54] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: would you be interested in that eventually ?
[02:55] <TheBearded1_> I got a sort of pc load letter error here
[02:55] <TheBearded1_> when i run apt-get source: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_edgy_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[02:56] <TheBearded1_> i've ran aptitude update a few times, and jacked with my sources.list, but i can't download package sources because of this
[02:56] <Tonio_> hum, never saw that error before....
[02:56] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: tried to remove that file and ran update ?
[02:56] <TheBearded1_> "No such file or directory", it doesn't lie
[02:57] <TheBearded1_> the file doesn't exist
[02:57] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: probably need to recreate your cache
[02:58] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: sudo rm -rf /var/cache/apt/* && sudo mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial && sudo apt-get update
[02:58] <Tonio_> that can help, but I'm unsure
[02:59] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: so, could cotribution to adept improvement be interesting for you somehow ?
[03:00] <TheBearded1_> i'd like to help with adept
[03:00] <TheBearded1_> i agree that it needs love
[03:00] <TheBearded1_> it's pretty minimal
[03:00] <Tonio_> mornfall will be happy :)
[03:00] <TheBearded1_> i mean, i have a fresh install of edgy here, and i click on add/remove packages: 5 packages show up in adept
[03:00] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: yes, I agree, for example it should be able to repair the problems (lock file) created after a crash, like synaptic does
[03:01] <TheBearded1_> and for example
[03:01] <TheBearded1_> it just crashed on me
[03:01] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: ahhhhh that's different :)
[03:01] <Tonio_> adept installer is just for the most common apps :)
[03:01] <Tonio_> I was talking about adept-manager
[03:01] <TheBearded1_> oh
[03:01] <Tonio_> that's the complete one, for advanced users
[03:01] <TheBearded1_> common packages == firefox, gaim, menu editor, calculator ??
[03:02] <Tonio_> "add/remove programs" is just for your mother
[03:02] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: there are more packages than this
[03:02] <TheBearded1_> when i click unsupported packages, well there used to be, now it just crashes
[03:02] <Tonio_> you can check "unsuported" and you'll see the full list
[03:02] <TheBearded1_> and if i remember right when I click unsupported it shows a bunch of gnome packages
[03:03] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: you can choose between gnome and kde packages
[03:03] <Tonio_> but yes that needs improvement too
[03:03] <Tonio_> adept is composed of 4 apps :
[03:03] <Tonio_> adept-install, that we can call from scripts to install one package
[03:03] <TheBearded1_> see this is what i want to be able to do, i don't like coming into channels and bitching, i like coming into channels, bitching, fixing it, and then coming back with a patch
[03:04] <Tonio_> hehe I can understand you on that point
[03:04] <Tonio_> the problem is that mornfall is alone to maintain and improve 4 apps.... quite a big job for just a humain personn
[03:05] <Tonio_> he his asking for help for month, so if you can do it, he'll be *very* happy
[03:05] <TheBearded1_> i got pissed at the ubuntu people because i was like "i wanna help i wanna help", so they sent me to this list of a bunch of crappy programs that hadn't been packaged yet
[03:05] <Tonio_> and adept suite is the big thing we have to improve in my opinion
[03:05] <TheBearded1_> and I was like but I want to package this, NO NO NO NO ONLY FROM THE LIST
[03:06] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: yes, indeed, concerning a distro, most of the stuff is packaging
[03:06] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: when was it ?
[03:06] <TheBearded1_> maybe.....6 months ago, 7 at the most
[03:06] <Tonio_> which channel ?
[03:07] <Tonio_> that's strange......... unless you came during a special merging or debugging session, I don't see any reason you can't package want you want to....
[03:07] <TheBearded1_> don't remember exactly, but i really just got the feeling like i was invading into a bunch of 12 year olds' clubhouse, kind of this do our special handshake or leave thing
[03:07] <Tonio_> that's free software ;)
[03:07] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: maybe it was on #ubuntu
[03:07] <Tonio_> and yes, most have 12 years old :)
[03:07] <Tonio_> on -devel channels, that a bit different
[03:08] <Tonio_> well the point is it is 3 am in france, time to bed to me :)
[03:08] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: ready to come backl tomorow so that you can expose your wishes and projects/plans to contribute ?
[03:08] <TheBearded1_> what time, err, and what time zone
[03:08] <Tonio_> can be interesting
[03:09] <TheBearded1_> i can be on, from 8am-5pm Central Timezone US
[03:09] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_: when you want, the channel is active between 8 utc to midnight utc
[03:09] <Tonio_> about
[03:09] <Tonio_> that's perfect, I'll be there and most other kubuntu devs too
[03:10] <TheBearded1_> france == UTC+2 than right?
[03:10] <Tonio_> seya tomorow then :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> yes
[03:10] <TheBearded1_> k
[06:20] <Tm_T> whoa
[06:20] <Tm_T> Riddell: you've seen last kdesu commit?
[06:28] <Tm_T> "add --with-sudo-kdesu-backend configure switch
[06:28] <Tm_T> instead of hardcoding stuff in a couple of files"
[06:30] <Tm_T> work ->
[06:33] <nixternal> who broke fglrx again ? grrr
[06:34] <crimsun> probably another missing abi bump?
[06:36] <nixternal> so it seems
[06:36] <nixternal> should be fixed soon im guessing
[07:01] <nixternal> imbrandon: you see the "kde-look.org" bug pop up today for wallpapers?
[07:01] <imbrandon> huh ? no
[07:01] <imbrandon> guess not
[07:12] <nixternal> well, i marked it duplicate of another ;)
[07:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heya
[07:18] <nixternal> woohoo...hiya Hobbsee!!!
[07:18] <nixternal> g'day mate!
[07:18] <nixternal> just talked to my daughter's god mother and she said that to me
[07:18] <nixternal> says the weather is just lovely in Sydney right now
[07:19] <Hobbsee> indeed :)
[07:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: how'd the kicker bug go?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you're great!  thanks for a working kicker again :D
[08:06] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hows 3.5.5
[08:06] <imbrandon> ?
[08:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: good, except for the kdesu bug.  everything else works, due to tonio.
[08:08] <freeflying> Hobbsee: ppc's package are ready?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> freeflying: no idea, doubt it
[08:11] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[08:15] <imbrandon> cool , are Tonio_ packages update on kubuntu.org ?
[08:15] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ^^
[08:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yep.
[08:17] <imbrandon> coll
[08:17] <imbrandon> cool
[09:34] <serzholino> hi! are there any kubuntu-related mailing listst?
[09:35] <serzholino> on kubuntu.org there is no reference to any
[09:36] <abattoir> serzholino: you can find the list at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/
[09:40] <serzholino> oh, thanks. it would be great if this page be accesible from kubuntu.org too.
[09:47] <Lure> kwwii_: btw, thanks for kdm fix for large fonts!
[09:48] <kwwii_> Lure: so it is fixed on your machine?
[09:48] <Lure> kwwii_: yep - it looks nice now!
[09:48] <Riddell> serzholino: they're listed on the support page, where would you expect them to be listed?
[09:49] <kwwii_> Lure: cool, thanks for catching that
[09:49] <Riddell> kwwii_: "kubuntu branded kmenu icon" what plans for that?  I've always left the kmenu icon to be just the kde logo to keep upstream branding strong
[09:50] <Lure> kwwii_: are powermanager icons now final (the one's in svn)? We will probably need to have another upload soon (if we address KUniqueApplication/dcop issue)
[09:50] <Riddell> Lure++ that's on my todo but if someone else wants to take it over please do
[09:50] <Riddell> it's fiddly though
[09:50] <kwwii_> Lure: hehe, actually I started yet another version, but we could use the current ones without major problems, I think
[09:51] <kwwii_> Riddell: I know, that is why I waited till the end to make it :-)
[09:51] <Lure> Riddell: Tonio_ volunteered yesterday
[09:51] <kwwii_> Riddell: if we don't use it, it is no big deal in my opinion
[09:51] <kwwii_> Riddell: but several people have asked for one
[09:52] <Lure> Riddell: it would be good if we would at least include it, even if not by default - so people like me can switch to full Kubuntu look ;-)
[09:52] <Riddell> kwwii_: if we maintain kubuntu-default-settings in bzr would you use that?  i.e. would it make the process easier than e-mailing/irc pinging me
[09:53] <Riddell> Lure: oh we'll definately include it
[09:53] <kwwii_> Riddell: definitely
[09:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok with us maintaining kubuntu-default-settings in bzr under the kubuntu-members launchpad group?
[09:55] <imbrandon> yea i liek the idea of the kmenu using a logo , as there really isnt any other branding on the desktop
[09:56] <imbrandon> but would be good if its easy to change
[09:56] <imbrandon> kwwii_, !!!!!!!!!!11
[09:56] <imbrandon> lol
[09:56] <imbrandon> Riddell, sounds good to me ( w.r.t bzr )
[09:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: system menu icon has a kubuntu logo on it
[09:56] <kwwii_> imbrandon: I think you drank too much mt. dew
[09:56] <imbrandon> kwwii_, haha
[09:57] <imbrandon> Riddell, it does? heh i never seen that untill now ( screen is too small to really be seen ) heh
[09:57] <Riddell> I think I'll have to take lots of irn-bru to the summit so I can wean imbrandon of that mountain dew nonsense
[09:57] <imbrandon> wow , i really never did notice that, but it is good to brand kubuntu imho
[09:58] <imbrandon> irn-bru ?
[09:58] <kwwii_> several people have expressed the desire to see the logo on the wallpaper (which I am totally against)
[09:58] <Riddell> kwwii_: what's wrong with logo on wallpaper?
[09:58] <kwwii_> so maybe having it in the kmenu would be enough
[09:59] <imbrandon> yea i dont like it on the walpaper but the kmenu would be nice as ok we're NOT apple/ms/ubuntu/suse but if you look all of them do it ;)
[10:00] <kwwii_> Riddell: well, a) mark says don't do it b) if we use it, it would have to part of the overall design, not just overlayed on an existing design
[10:00] <imbrandon> infact have you seen the new vista start button ? looks ALOT like KDE ( even the windeco looks like dapper crystal )
[10:01] <imbrandon> have a peek http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/vista.jpg
[10:01] <imbrandon> no more "start" just a logo like KDE/GNOME/Apple
[10:01] <imbrandon> heh
[10:02] <kwwii_> the blue arrows could be from crystal
[10:02] <Riddell> that panel background is a lot like ours
[10:02] <nixternal> is it just me, or is vista gaudy as all hell?
[10:03] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea thats not the default pannel bg for vista, the normal one is transparent
[10:03] <nixternal> the user image is out of place i think
[10:03] <allee> freeflying: Hi, set's see when one of the pkg-kde admins turns up to add you :)
[10:03] <imbrandon> nixternal, thats not the user image, it changes when you hover over an app to the app icon
[10:03] <freeflying> allee: :)
[10:03] <nixternal> ahh, evern more useless...like the freakin' icon isn't enough
[10:04] <imbrandon> yea vista is looking more and more like KDE4 every time i see it
[10:04] <imbrandon> even the address bar, did you notice thats liek the one in KDE4 blogs Riddell
[10:04] <imbrandon> like*
[10:05] <nixternal> to me it looks more and more like windows xp with windowblinds
[10:05] <imbrandon> i wish i still had that link, it was on p.k.o not to long ago
[10:06] <imbrandon> with the address bar mockup
[10:06] <nixternal> for a second i thought that garbage can had a kubuntu logo on it
[10:07] <nixternal> heh, imbrandon, you know that stupid msa logo everyone has been talking about looking like the ubuntu logo?
[10:07] <imbrandon> yes ?
[10:07] <nixternal> i totally forgot about that...the downers grove office where i was at, that was the main project there...we all had t-shirts with that logo and i totally didn't even catch it
[10:08] <imbrandon> and becouse the OS is garbage dosent mean it looks ugly nixternal
[10:08] <nixternal> it looks ugly to me ;)
[10:08] <Riddell> allee: could you add a pointer to your kde extras team page onto the ubuntuWeeklyNewsletter?
[10:08] <nixternal> i shouldn't say ugly, because some of the graphics are nice..but that color scheme is horrid, and it looks cluttered
[10:08] <imbrandon> nixternal, what they dident look at was that the MSA logo predates ubuntu
[10:09] <nixternal> i would be closterphobic running that ;)
[10:09] <nixternal> oh ya..i worked there from 2002-2005, and that was the logo the entire time
[10:10] <nixternal> oh i used to hate those kiosks they had with that too..it had like children of the corn type laughing and giggling 
[10:10] <nixternal> freaky stuff
[10:11] <imbrandon> heh
[10:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:11] <Hobbsee> scary
[10:11] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, [02:57]  <Riddell> I think I'll have to take lots of irn-bru to the summit so I can wean imbrandon of that mountain dew nonsense
[10:11] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:11] <Hobbsee> hah
[10:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds good.
[10:13] <nixternal> hrmm...is that the iron stuff?  my x-wife talked about some funky drink before and it sounds familiar
[10:13] <kwwii_> hehe
[10:13] <kwwii_> Riddell loves it
[10:14] <kwwii_> it tastes like a mt dew which someone put a nail in weeks before, if you ask me :-)
[10:14] <Hobbsee> hah
[10:15] <nixternal> hahahaha
[10:15] <nixternal> ya, that is the iron stuff then
[10:15] <nixternal> that is the exact phrase i think my x said as well
[10:16] <nixternal> im actually drinking mt. dew now, only cuz i ran out of dr. pepper
[10:18] <imbrandon> hum Riddell you know about these qt/non-qt plugins stuff in qt4 ?
[10:18] <imbrandon> err 4.2
[10:18] <imbrandon> quote "Qt 4.2 allows developers to create Qt plug-ins for use with non-Qt applications."
[10:22] <nixternal> g'nite all!
[10:22] <imbrandon> gnight nixternal
[10:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: nope
[10:25] <imbrandon> ahh okies, i was just reading the release feature
[10:25] <imbrandon> s
[10:25] <windshear> Hello
[10:25] <windshear> If you use the install script in kubuntu 6.10 life cd and you have entered all the requested data you get to the -Ready to install- screen. This shows you the summary of the necessary info you provided to install kubuntu. (Language, Keyboard layout... till grub).
[10:25] <windshear> Then there is a note: If you continue, the changes listed below will be written to the disks. [...] 
[10:25] <windshear> But unfortunately there are no changes listed below eventhough I told the script to format 2 partitions.
[10:25] <windshear> In 6.06 the changes were listed correctly.
[10:26] <Riddell> windshear: I've seen that, I'll make sure to investigate it before RC
[10:27] <Hobbsee> do we really have a meeting tomorrow? well, your today?
[10:28] <imbrandon> bout ~12 hours
[10:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, afraid so
[10:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right...
[10:29] <Riddell> not unless you have stuff on the agenda
[10:29] <Hobbsee> right.  1 agenda item.  poor.
[10:29] <Hobbsee> from Tonio_, not from myself
[10:30] <windshear> Riddell tanks,   so is it gui only? I mean does it format the right partitions?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> apart from that
[10:30] <Riddell> windshear: it does format them yes.  it's curious because the message displays correctly on powerpc.  I'm curious to know if ubuntu/i386 has the same problem
[10:32] <windshear> Riddell I could try it - if you want me to do it-
[10:32] <Riddell> windshear: please, that would be very useful
[10:33] <windshear> Riddell ok, but it takes me some time
[10:36] <kwwii_> http://sinecera.de <--the first version of the basic layout for my new site...ideas?
[10:37] <Riddell> kwwii_: looks totally lovely 
[10:38] <kwwii_> Riddell: thanks :-)
[10:38] <imbrandon> kwwii_, looks good man
[10:40] <kwwii_> Riddell: I thought about adding a discussion about the final graphics to the meeting tonight...get a feeling for what is the most important stuff to still include, as well as discuss the website graphics
[10:41] <kwwii_> sound like a good idea or a waste of time?
[10:42] <Riddell> kwwii_: sounds good
[11:03] <windshear> Riddell yes the problem is also in ubuntu 6.10 beta
[11:04] <Riddell> windshear: yay!  means it's not my fault :)
[11:04] <windshear> :)
[11:04] <Riddell> windshear: file a bug on ubiquity then, kamion is usually pretty responsive
[11:05] <windshear> hm, where?
[11:06] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+filebug
[11:08] <windshear> ik, thx
[11:09] <windshear> ik=>ok
[11:09] <windshear> so i report it as a bug in the ubiquity package
[11:10] <Riddell> yes
[11:11] <windshear> ok, reported, its bug  Bug #64142
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64142 in ubiquity "installer - ready to install- screen incomplete" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64142
[11:12] <windshear> but there is another bug in the kubuntu installer that is not present in ubuntu
[11:13] <Riddell> what's that?
[11:13] <windshear> if I select "manually partition table" i get to a screen I can see all the partitions on the harddisk
[11:13] <windshear> I have the following partition table:
[11:14] <windshear> /dev/sda1 ntfs
[11:14] <windshear> /dev/sda2 extended
[11:15] <windshear> /dev/sda5 ntfs in extended
[11:15] <windshear> /dev/sda3 ext3
[11:15] <windshear> /dev/sda4 linux-swap
[11:23] <windshear> no wait
[11:24] <windshear> its correct
[11:24] <windshear> i was confused because of the numbers in front of the partition
[11:25] <windshear> they don't match the partition number
[11:25] <windshear> by the way Riddell, what do you need the partition mumber for
[11:26] <windshear> ubuntu doesn't even display the numbers
[11:29] <sebas> Riddell: Do you have unfilled proposals dor SoC?
[11:30] <sebas> I'm looking for project proposals for CodeYard students
[11:30] <Riddell> windshear: doesn't display where?
[11:30] <Riddell> sebas: yep
[11:30] <sebas> plzsendme! :>
[11:47] <Riddell> sebas: various things in umbrello.  kde version of onboard, port ubiquity to qt 4, port dist-upgrade tool and gdebi to kde
[11:52] <sebas> Riddell: Can I have those proposals, so I present them to our students?
[11:52] <sebas> Maybe someone wants to work on them
[11:52] <Riddell> sebas: I'll write you an e-mail when I get a minute
[11:52] <sebas> Riddell: Cool
[12:28] <GNUro> hi
[12:36] <Riddell> kwwii_: if you're interested, this is going to be the debian wallpaper http://cdd.debian-br.org/~si0ux/artwork/debian/wallpapers/01.png
[12:38] <kwwii_> Riddell: hrm, the logo would look better if it was actually on the velvety background instead of overlayed
[01:22] <windshear> re
[01:23] <windshear> Riddell on the prepare partitions page
[01:30] <Riddell> windshear: what about it?
[01:40] <raphink> "
[01:40] <raphink> Kubuntu Default Settings is now being maintained in bzr with write
[01:40] <raphink> access to anyone in kubuntu-members.
[01:40] <raphink> Riddell: does that mean people who are not developers can modify the package now?
[01:41] <Riddell> raphink: yes, e.g. kwwii_ 
[01:41] <raphink> hmmm
[01:41] <Riddell> raphink: obviously they can't upload, only core-dev can do that
[01:41] <raphink> yes
[01:41] <raphink> so the dput will only work for core-dev
[01:41] <Riddell> raphink: and if anyone makes any stupid changes we throw them out of kubuntu-members (or just revert and slap wrist)
[01:41] <Riddell> raphink: of course
[01:41] <raphink> hmm I see the point
[01:41] <raphink> can be interesting
[01:42] <Riddell> yes, it's an experiment :)
[01:43] <raphink> :)
[01:43] <raphink> is this part of the NoMoreSourcePackages experiment?
[01:45] <Riddell> raphink: its half way there, the other half I believe is to get rid of dput and have a button on launchpad saying "make this bzr archive into an ubuntu package now"
[01:45] <Riddell> which is a lot less hassle than having essentially two revision control systems (archive and bzr)
[01:47] <imbrandon> arg
[01:47] <imbrandon> Riddell, you ever compile gcc ?
[01:47] <imbrandon> know how i can make it NOT try to strip the binarys when making the debs ?
[01:48] <imbrandon> ( even if its only for me localy )
[01:48] <Riddell> gcc doesn't make debs
[01:48] <imbrandon> no no , making "gcc debs"
[01:48] <imbrandon> not gcc to make debs
[01:48] <Riddell> oh, no idea
[01:48] <Riddell> doko's area
[01:48] <imbrandon> e.g. /usr/bin/strip: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `debian/lib64gcc1-powerpc-cross/usr/powerpc-linux-gnu/lib64/libgcc_s.so.1'
[01:49] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[01:49] <imbrandon> i'll poke him
[01:49] <imbrandon> i'm like <--> this close to have my i386 pbuilder cross compiling for ppc debs
[01:49] <imbrandon> heh if i can fix that one error
[01:50] <imbrandon> so " pbuilder-edgy-ppc build *.dsc " will work or s/ppc/x86/g etc ;)
[01:54] <mhb> good afternoon
[01:57] <imbrandon> heya mhb
[02:03] <Riddell> anyone tried printing with kde 3.5.5?
[02:04] <imbrandon> Riddell, nope but i'm gonna install it this afternoon on the amd64
[02:04] <imbrandon> so i will try then
[02:04] <mhb> I can test it today as well
[02:05] <freeflying> ppc's packages avaliable?
[02:11] <imbrandon> it dont think so yet freeflying
[02:11] <Riddell> freeflying: I'm afraid not
[02:11] <imbrandon> if Riddell says there wont be any changes to the packages today ( with reasonable doubt ) i can start builds on my ibook
[02:11] <imbrandon> it will take most of the day to compile though as its slow ;)
[02:12] <Riddell> shouldn't be any changes
[02:12] <imbrandon> kk
[02:13] <imbrandon> you dont happen to have a list of the source packages handy so i dont have to rummage the pool do you ? hehe
[02:13] <imbrandon> Riddell, ^^
[02:14] <Riddell> arts     kdeaccessibility  kdeadmin    kdebase      kdeedu    kdegraphics  kdemultimedia  kdepim  kdetoys   kdevelop kdeaddons         kdeartwork  kdebindings  kdegames  kdelibs      kdenetwork     kdesdk  kdeutils  kdewebdev
[02:14] <imbrandon> sweet you rock
[02:14] <imbrandon> freeflying, i'll start the builds now and ping you and Riddell when they are done
[02:19] <freeflying> imbrandon: need I build some for u? :)
[02:20] <imbrandon> if you wish, will get it done faster ( but do it in a clean edgy pbuilder so we can put it on kubuntu.org )
[02:21] <imbrandon> and let me know what ones you start so we dont do the same ones ;)
[02:21] <imbrandon> well actualy
[02:21] <imbrandon> the more i think about it that wont work
[02:21] <imbrandon> becouse you have to have the basepackages
[02:22] <imbrandon> so i'll just do them , but thanks anyhow
[02:22] <Riddell> they need to be build together
[02:22] <imbrandon> it wont take tooo long
[02:22] <imbrandon> right
[02:22] <imbrandon> i just realized that after i said it
[02:22] <freeflying> :)
[02:22] <imbrandon> so i'll just do them all
[02:22] <imbrandon> ;) thansk for the thought thoguh
[02:22] <Riddell> raphink: hmm, another sidebar
[02:22] <freeflying> Riddell: can we add another package to desktop-cd?
[02:23] <raphink> hmm sorry wrong channel indeed
[02:23] <raphink>  anyone has seen/worked on http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14779 ?
[02:23] <raphink> hop
[02:23] <Riddell> freeflying: what is it?
[02:23] <raphink> yes Riddell, but it can be interesting
[02:23] <raphink> if it's well integrated
[02:23] <freeflying> Riddell: scim-pinyin
[02:24] <Riddell> freeflying: that should be added to language-support-zh dependencies
[02:24] <Riddell> freeflying: actually it's already there
[02:24] <freeflying> raphink: it has deb package 
[02:24] <raphink> yes freeflying
[02:25] <windshear> ok i'm now fully back
[02:25] <windshear> always these interruptions...
[02:25] <freeflying> Riddell: I see, but if the cd space permitted, will u add this, then guys using zh_CN can input in livecd
[02:26] <Riddell> freeflying: if CD space permits yes, but I doubt we will have enough space
[02:26] <raphink> freeflying: doesn' tseem to be a valid deb
[02:27] <freeflying> raphink: ok, I'd like package it
[02:27] <raphink> :)
[02:27] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks  :)
[02:27] <windshear> Riddell: in the kubuntu installer on the prepare partitions screen, in the first row called numbers, the found paritions are numbered.
[02:27] <raphink> freeflying: do you want to contact the dev?
[02:27] <windshear> What are these numbers good for because they don't necessary match the partition number
[02:27] <freeflying> raphink: ya, maybe i need send out a ITP  :)
[02:27] <raphink> sure
[02:28] <windshear> and this can be quite confusing
[02:28] <raphink> there's no ITP/RFP yet
[02:28] <windshear> in my case /dev/sda5 has number 03
[02:28] <freeflying> raphink: ok,
[02:28] <freeflying> windshear: maybe you'd read the man of fstab
[02:29] <imbrandon> windshear, normaly sdaX where X is the order it was created in and the 03 is the actual order on the physical drive
[02:29] <windshear> i know where these numbers come from
[02:29] <imbrandon> e.g 01 can be /dev/hda2 and 02 can be /dev/hda1 if dev/hda2 is the first on the physical hdd
[02:30] <imbrandon> and the first partition was put at the end of the drive
[02:30] <imbrandon> when it was made etc etc etc
[02:30] <windshear> but do you actually need the numbers how they are on the drive
[02:30] <windshear> i find it quite confusing
[02:31] <windshear> just displaying /dev/sda3 would be enough i think
[02:31] <freeflying> raphink: you know the author of konqburn?
[02:31] <raphink> nope
[02:31] <windshear> anyway ubuntu does it this way
[02:32] <windshear> ok, its just an idea to make it more user friendly...
[02:32] <imbrandon> all linux does it this way ;)
[02:32] <raphink> let's switch to the grub way everywhere!
[02:33] <raphink> media:/(hd0,0)
[02:33] <raphink> hehe
[02:33] <raphink> j/k
[02:33] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:34] <Riddell> windshear: you mean on the qtparted page or the page after that?
[02:34] <windshear> i mean step 5 of 6 in the installer script
[02:35] <windshear> if i select manually create partition table
[02:36] <Riddell> sounds like qtparted page, in which case yes qtparted is silly
[02:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: since you have an amd64 you could try these qt4 packages http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/qt4/
[02:37] <Riddell> just incase you're looking for things to do :)
[02:37] <imbrandon> Riddell, sure
[02:37] <imbrandon> just install them ?
[02:37] <Riddell> imbrandon: yes, and test some qt4 apps
[02:38] <imbrandon> k
[02:38] <windshear> i don't know how to find out the name of the page... there isn't displayed anything
[02:39] <windshear> perhaps its also just me getting confused about this... anyway now i know not to look at the wrong numbers :)
[02:39] <Riddell> windshear: does it have a toolbar and stuff to format partitions, or does it have dropdown boxes to assign mount points to paths?
[02:40] <windshear> it has toolbars to format, partition, resize...
[02:41] <windshear> not the one with the mount points
[02:41] <raphink> Riddell: do we keep the .bzr dirs in the package?
[02:41] <raphink> for k-d-s
[02:41] <Riddell> ok, so yes qtparted is crap, known issue
[02:41] <Riddell> raphink: up to you really, I don't mind either way
[02:41] <windshear> hm, ok then :)
[02:42] <raphink> I do Riddell
[02:42] <raphink> the .bzr dir is 11MB
[02:42] <Riddell> windshear: we were going to get rid of qtparted for edgy, but it'll be edgy+1 now
[02:42] <raphink> more than the size of the package itself
[02:42] <raphink> I think if we keep the package in bzr
[02:42] <windshear> ok
[02:42] <raphink> we need to have a clean rule that removes the .bzr dir
[02:42] <raphink> otherwise our packages will be more than twice bigger
[02:43] <raphink> just as we remove the cvs and svn dirs
[02:45] <windshear> ko now a completely different question
[02:45] <windshear> is the sound system different on ubuntu and kubuntu?
[02:46] <windshear> I have an AC97 audio chipset and in kubuntu 6.06 and ubuntu 6.10 beta it works with no problems
[02:46] <Riddell> windshear: yes, at various levels
[02:46] <serzholino> fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory
[02:46] <serzholino> how can i create this /dev/fuse ?
[02:46] <Riddell> serzholino: wrong channel?
[02:46] <windshear> In kubuntu 6.10 beta my "c-media AC97 Audio Device" does not work anymore.
[02:46] <windshear> I keep on getting the following error message: Sound server fatal error: CPU overload, aborting
[02:47] <serzholino> Riddell: why? this is in kubuntu 6.06
[02:47] <windshear> if i manually select 'open sound system' everything is ok
[02:47] <windshear> -but why can't the system correctly detect it automatically any more?
[02:47] <serzholino> in 5.10 fusermount worked well
[02:48] <imbrandon> serzholino, try #kubuntu for support
[02:48] <serzholino> something udev related maybe?
[02:48] <serzholino> imbrandon: no response
[02:48] <serzholino> on #kubuntu
[02:48] <mhb> serzholino: sudo modoprobe fuse
[02:49] <mhb> serzholino: sorry, "sudo modprobe fuse"
[02:49] <serzholino> oh, yes, works now :) thanks a lot
[02:50] <mhb> serzholino: then the device should work fine (and yes, this is a wrong channel, next time you should go to #kubuntu)
[02:50] <serzholino> ok, sorry
[02:54] <Tonio_> hi ! 
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kubuntu-default-settings in bzr.... why not ;)
[02:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: too late, already done it :)
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, when will that change ? for edgy+1 I assume ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hey ;)
[02:55] <imbrandon> Tonio_, now 
[02:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_.  you fixed it!  :)
[02:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: true :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about fixes, kdesu still fails here
[02:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure you have latest kdelibs4c2a and kdebase-bin?  the version numbers didn't change so you'll need to wget && dpkg --install
[02:57] <Tonio_> I did --reinstall, but maybe I miss kdelibs4c2a
[02:57] <Riddell> and run kdesu from the command line, else it'll go through kdeinit and get the old libraries
[02:59] <Tonio_> my apt config really does strange things with its cache...
[02:59] <windshear> i dont know how the sound detection works, but i thought it would be done by the kernel, thats why i was surprised that it works in ubuntu and not in kubuntu
[03:00] <Tonio_> windshear: indeed, there is no reason that kubuntu reacts differently
[03:00] <Riddell> windshear: where do you get that error?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> windshear: is pcm muted in kmix, by any chance?
[03:00] <windshear> in kde
[03:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, works, was due to apt cache once again...
[03:01] <Riddell> windshear: what happens if you run artsd from the command line?
[03:01] <windshear> when it has finished launching kde it freezes for 5 sec, then gives me this overload message
[03:01] <windshear> if i manually select 'open sound system' everything is ok
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice.  kdesu works now.
[03:03] <Hobbsee> adept comes up really quickly now too, yay
[03:03] <Riddell> groovy
[03:04] <Tonio_> of Riddell I discussed with a guy that night, that has free time and would like to code on kubuntu
[03:04] <windshear> Riddell I tried to run artsd, i get the following: there are already artsd objects registered, looking if they are active......    cpu overload, aborting
[03:05] <Riddell> windshear: so arts is broken for you
[03:05] <Tonio_> he uses C++ for a very long time and has some knowledge in kde/qt... so I talked him about adept, since mornfall wants some help
[03:05] <Riddell> windshear: which is strange since I have an AC97 too
[03:05] <Tonio_> he should come back today to rediscuss this with us
[03:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[03:05] <windshear> hmm
[03:06] <windshear> it is a c-media AC97 Audio device
[03:06] <windshear> and always worked with linux before
[03:07] <Riddell> windshear: try the kde 3.5.5 packages?
[03:07] <Riddell> maybe arts there fixes it
[03:08] <windshear> so ubuntu does not use artsd?
[03:09] <Riddell> no, gnome uses esd
[03:14] <Tm_T> moin
[03:15] <mhb> Tm_T: moin
[03:15] <windshear> i'll do a full system update, this perhaps already fixes it
[03:18] <gnomefreak> is there a link that shows the difference betweet server kernel and reg. kernels?
[03:18] <jdong> gnomefreak: diff the config files?
[03:18] <gnomefreak> k ty
[03:19] <windshear> Riddell by the way it would be nice to have a button in the installer where you can select if it should try to connect to the internet
[03:21] <Riddell> windshear: why?
[03:21] <windshear> in my case the pc is connected to lan but no direct internet connection is avaliable
[03:21] <windshear> so the setup always hangs at: scanning for mirrors
[03:23] <Riddell> ah, hmm
[03:23] <windshear> i have to pull the lan plug before starting my pc so that it doesn't get an ip
[03:23] <Riddell> file a bug 
[03:23] <windshear> if it has no ip, it just says no internet, comments out all the apt servers and continues
[03:24] <windshear> this problem already existed in 6.06 dapper
[03:26] <Hobbsee> sebas: you around?
[03:27] <sebas> Hobbsee: y
[03:27] <sebas> But I might be in a meeting in two minutes
[03:27] <Hobbsee> sebas: in g-p-m, why's the about button right next to the OK button?  i keep hitting it instead of OK?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> sebas: isnt a more sensible place to put it in the other corner, or something?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> im' sure el would say something about it :P
[03:28] <sebas> Hobbsee: Probably yes, but I think it's a problem of KAboutDialog
[03:28] <TheBearded1_> is the developer of adept-manager around?
[03:28] <sebas> I'll check when I have my notebook handy
[03:28] <Tonio_> hi TheBearded1 ;)
[03:28] <Hobbsee> sebas: ahh okay.
[03:28] <sebas> If I forget, ping me, please
[03:28] <Hobbsee> sebas: sure
[03:28] <sebas> TheBearded1_: nope
[03:28] <Tonio_> TheBearded1: mornfall isn't there but Riddell is
[03:28] <sebas> It's mornfall, AFAIK
[03:28] <Hobbsee> TheBearded1_: mornfall?  seems not
[03:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: TheBearded1 is the guy I told you about
[03:29] <Tonio_> hey sebas :)
[03:29] <sebas> Hey Tonio_ 
[03:29] <sebas> !meeting
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meeting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <Tonio_> !lastseen mornfall
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lastseen mornfall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <Hobbsee> !seen mornfall
[03:29] <ubotu> mornfall is on IRC right now!
[03:30] <Tonio_> grmpf..... we need an eggdrop here
[03:30] <Hobbsee> [23:30]  [Whois]  mornfall is a user on channels: #kde-devel
[03:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: thanks :) I forgot lastseen wasn't supported
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: :)
[03:30] <imbrandon> Riddell, 
[03:30] <imbrandon> Unpacking libqt4-debug (from libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...
[03:30] <imbrandon> dpkg: error processing libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--install):
[03:30] <imbrandon>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQt3Support.so.4.2.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-qt3support
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: also /msg seenserv seen mornfall works too
[03:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hu ? he blacklisted kubuntu-devel or ?
[03:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: interesting
[03:31] <Tonio_> TheBearded1_ you probably can contact him on #kde-devel then
[03:31] <Hobbsee> dunno
[03:38] <Tonio_> my god.... wengophone source is 7500 folders, 33000 files........
[03:38] <Tonio_> 5 times more than kdebase....
[03:38] <Tm_T> haha
[03:39] <Tonio_> I really would lke to wait for debian to package it and then sync ;)
[03:39] <Tm_T> yeah, I once tried compile it from cvs(?)
[03:39] <Tonio_> but I promissed to do it
[03:39] <Tonio_> Tm_T: it is a mess isn't it ? ;)
[03:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: do wengo provide .debs?
[03:39] <Tm_T> it was, no idea what it is nowadays
[03:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but no source packages, not even a tarball
[03:39] <Tonio_> I asked them why and it seems they just didn't even think about it......
[03:40] <Tonio_> they just say "then use svn"
[03:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: did they think about it after you asked?
[03:40] <Tonio_> stupid....... tarball is usefull because it is stable
[03:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh, so there's no source package at all?
[03:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, they think about it
[03:40] <Riddell> wonder how GPL compliant that is
[03:40] <Tonio_> we were several people saying that on the channel, so we'll discuss this on their ML
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: well technically, if they provide a deb, but no source package, that's a gpl violation afaik
[03:41] <Tonio_> all you have if svn access
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: stevenk's already playing with wengophone
[03:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: from debian ?
[03:43] <Tonio_> don't know this guy
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i think he was fixing the bugs in it.  ask him in -motu if you want
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: in ubuntu
[03:48] <Tonio_> how can a softphone be 538MB big (svn sources) ? that's completly stupid
[03:49] <Tm_T> hehe
[03:51] <TheBearded1> Tonio_: being cross-platform, do they implement video encoding and such things on their own?
[03:52] <aeig> is there a big bug in the monitor & display module in system settings on edgy?
[03:52] <Tonio_> TheBearded1 yes they do, but honnesly, I never saw something that messy
[03:52] <Tonio_> aeig: works for me, but several people reported it failed launching
[03:52] <aeig> changes made in none administrator mode wouldn't be stored
[03:52] <aeig> change something in administrator mode results in a destroyed xorg.conf
[03:53] <Tonio_> aeig: better talk with _Sime, he's docing this
[03:53] <aeig> ok
[03:53] <Tonio_> coding
[03:55] <freeflying> raphink: do u need konqburn now?
[03:55] <aeig> _Sime: here?
[03:55] <raphink> nope freeflying
[03:55] <raphink> just think it could be nice
[03:56] <freeflying> but universe is freeze, or I can upload soon :)
[03:56] <raphink> universe is frozen
[03:56] <raphink> but it could be for edgy+1
[03:57] <raphink> if the dev wants to take care of it
[03:57] <raphink> it can be a good idea to talk with him now
[03:57] <raphink> to have it on revu
[04:00] <Tm_T> what's situation with kdesu?
[04:00] <Riddell> fix0red
[04:00] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:00] <Tm_T> what version of what package I should have then
[04:01] <Tm_T> still broken here
[04:02] <Tm_T> kdebase/edgy uptodate 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1
[04:03] <raphink> these are not official packages though
[04:03] <raphink> yet
[04:03] <imbrandon> that version but you might need to wget it and reinstall it manualy
[04:04] <Tm_T> aah, I see, then no prob, I do that :)
[04:04] <imbrandon> Riddell, did you see my qt4 thing from above ?
[04:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: nope
[04:07] <imbrandon> [08:30]  <imbrandon> Riddell, 
[04:07] <imbrandon> [08:30]  <imbrandon> Unpacking libqt4-debug (from libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...
[04:07] <imbrandon> [08:30]  <imbrandon> dpkg: error processing libqt4-debug_4.2.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--install):
[04:07] <imbrandon> [08:30]  <imbrandon> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQt3Support.so.4.2.0.debug', which is also in package libqt4-qt3support
[04:07] <Riddell> oh, blurg
[04:08] <Hawkwind> Is there an Edgy repo that we can test kde 3.5.5 yet ?
[04:08] <Riddell> yes
[04:08] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main
[04:08] <Riddell> note hat it's top secret
[04:08] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Thanks.  Going to test it now
[04:08] <Tm_T> Hawkwind: what's your name?
[04:09] <Hawkwind> Tm_T: I don't know :P
[04:09] <Tm_T> hehe
[04:09] <Tm_T> that's my boy ;)
[04:10] <Riddell> Tm_T: launchpad knows all
[04:10] <imbrandon> *cough*Cliff Wade*cough*
[04:10] <imbrandon> netsol.com/whois knows too ;)
[04:10] <Tm_T> haha
[04:11] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Hah!
[04:11] <imbrandon> hehe
[04:15] <imbrandon> Hawkwind, just fyi too it took 1and1 2 weeks of dragging their feet torelease the domain after the fax of cancleing 
[04:16] <imbrandon> so when you switch give it plenty of time
[04:16] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Ah thanks.  I was wondering about that.  I've got about 2 months til I have to worry about it
[04:16] <Tm_T> weird, my settings isn't applied thru kdesu
[04:16] <Riddell> Tm_T: they won't be, since it's run as root
[04:16] <Tm_T> hmm
[04:16] <Tm_T> but, err
[04:16] <Tonio_> imbrandon: how about kds and the alternatives thing ?
[04:17] <imbrandon> e.g goto custom dns and point the domain to dh and make sure it proigates BEFOER you cancle )
[04:17] <Tm_T> I'm almost sure it did
[04:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: another bug has been reported about this
[04:17] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i didnet finish it, i'll do that now
[04:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: bug  64175
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64175 in kubuntu-default-settings "[edgy]  reverts to kubuntu's usplash at each upgrade" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64175
[04:17] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just fyi so that you can close the bug ;)
[04:17] <imbrandon> kk
[04:17] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Yeah my DNS is all handled with domainordering.com actually so I don't have to rely on my webhosts to have the options or whatever
[04:17] <imbrandon> kk
[04:28] <imbrandon> anyone have dapper handy ?
[04:33] <TheBearded1> it probably is xine's fault
[04:33] <imbrandon> did you file a bug in kde bts?
[04:33] <jdong> imbrandon: that hairy thing? :)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:33] <imbrandon> that hary thing gives you the right to complain, other wise shush
[04:33] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:34] <jdong> I'm not complaining... I said I was amused
[04:34] <TheBearded1> jdong: internet explorer can't handle 302's on url's set from within javascript 
[04:34] <jdong> complaining is when my ICH8 SATA does not work on Edgy
[04:34] <jdong> HINT HINT
[04:34] <imbrandon> wrong chanell HINT HINT ;P
[04:34] <imbrandon> channel*
[04:34] <jdong> imbrandon: I already bitched in the other channel this morning :)
[04:35] <imbrandon> other channel ? that would imply this would be correct too <grin>
[04:35] <imbrandon> clearly false heh
[04:35] <jdong> well.. it affects kubuntu too :P
[04:36] <jdong> finding my hard drive might help towards loading kdm
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Riddell: If you're around trappist is around as well if you'd like to or need to speak to him about the ops thing
[05:05] <Riddell> I've opped him
[05:06] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:06] <imbrandon> gnight Hobbsee
[05:06] <mhb> gnight
[05:08] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Many thanks :)
[05:39] <jdong> _Sime: poke
[05:39] <jdong> _Sime: unpoke
[05:43] <gnomefreak> amarok can be used with ipod? and some sort of "itunes?
[05:46] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: yes and no
[05:46] <Tonio_> it can be used with ipod, but does not stand as an "itunes like"
[05:46] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:46] <Tonio_> you can only manage files in the ipod, that's all
[05:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: shoudn't we ship an email notification system with kubuntu ?
[05:50] <Tonio_> I miss that sometimes :)
[05:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: notification of what?
[05:50] <gnomefreak> email notification?
[05:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: email notification
[05:52] <Tonio_> it checks the mails in the background and when new mails are there, you get an icon in the systray
[05:52] <gnomefreak> yay
[05:52] <Tonio_> better than starting kontact everytime to check........ at least in my opinion
[05:53] <sistpoty> hi folks
[05:53] <gnomefreak> support multiple email boxes please :(
[05:53] <Tonio_> that's very usefull for people that don't receive a lot of emails
[05:53] <marseillai> Tonio_: kmail 
[05:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds like your want a watching feature in ksystemlog
[05:53] <Tonio_> marseillai: kmail can't do that afaik
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum I don't see the point with ksystemlog ?
[05:53] <marseillai> euh it stay in systray and show umber of unread mail
[05:54] <Tonio_> marseillai: but you can't configure it to "open reduced", so that you have to launch it first
[05:54] <Tonio_> marseillai: the point a real email notification client is a daemon
[05:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: you want a feature in ksystemlog that monitors the log files for important stuff and gives you a notification
[05:55] <Tonio_> marseillai: close kmail and it doesn't work anymore, that's why email notification clients exist :)
[05:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: no, you missunderstoof me
[05:55] <marseillai> Tonio_: oki! perhaps it could be better to ask a feature for kmail : hide icon when no new mail or something similar ?
[05:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I want an app, like kded daemon, that checks for my mails and popups me when new mails are available
[05:55] <pascalFR> marseillai: already present
[05:56] <Tonio_> I didn't found a way to do that with kmail
[05:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: no you don't, since ubuntu doesn't e-mail anything
[05:56] <Riddell> oh, you mean general e-mails
[05:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: AHHHHHHHHHHHH ! ;)
[05:56] <Riddell> I misunderstood, appologies
[05:57] <Tonio_> yes, I'm talking about an "email notification client"
[05:57] <Tonio_> but in general
[05:57] <marseillai> Tonio_: "configurer kmail -> apparence -> boite a miniatures -> n'afficher kmail que s'il y a des messages non lu" it's not what you want ?
[05:57] <Tonio_> marseillai: let me check
[05:57] <pascalFR> marseillai: that's what I said
[05:58] <Tonio_> I'm sure that's not that
[05:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: investigate korn
[05:58] <marseillai> pascalFR: i didn't know i've just find that! it must be recent feature
[05:58] <pascalFR> marseillai: yeah just one year ago ;)
[05:58] <marseillai> oki pascalFR ....
[05:58] <marseillai> sorry
[05:58] <pascalFR> marseillai: dont be :)
[05:58] <Tonio_> marseillai, pascalFR: okay it works, but will that restart automatically with a kde session
[05:58] <Tonio_> ?
[05:59] <Tonio_> doesn't that need to launch kmail manually the first time ,
[05:59] <pascalFR> Tonio_: as long as kontact is running when u stop kde   yes
[05:59] <marseillai> Tonio_: just launch kmail at start
[05:59] <pascalFR> kontact / kmail is part of session
[05:59] <Tonio_> marseillai: yes but I want to avoid that
[05:59] <pascalFR> Tonio_: avoid what ?
[06:00] <Tonio_> pascalFR: having to unsure kontact/kmail is launched when I stop
[06:00] <marseillai> Tonio_: it would need a "start on start-up" feature for kmail
[06:00] <Tonio_> pascalFR: a "real" email notification client is a daemon
[06:00] <pascalFR> Tonio_: yes of course   but this one is integrated to kmail only when it is running
[06:01] <pascalFR> that's the main problem of too much integration
[06:01] <pascalFR> idem for akregator notif
[06:01] <Tonio_> pascalFR: hum, the other point is I'm getting a systray icon even when I don't have unread messages, as long as kontact is closed
[06:02] <pascalFR> Tonio_: marseillai has found the option for that
[06:02] <Tonio_> pascalFR: yes, but it respects your choices only when kontact is opened :)
[06:02] <Tonio_> close kontact/kmail, and you get the icon everytime
[06:02] <Tonio_> marseillai: can you confirm this ?
[06:02] <pascalFR> Tonio_: I find thius icon practical because cliking on it allows  to  hide/show kontact  and send msg etc
[06:03] <Tonio_> pascalFR: yes I agree on that point
[06:03] <marseillai> Tonio_: no if i close kmail icon disappear
[06:03] <Tonio_> marseillai: hu ?
[06:03] <pascalFR> Tonio_: you are true  if kontact is stopped  u have no more notification
[06:04] <pascalFR> there is no difference I think marseillai
[06:04] <pascalFR> the kmail icon is just a RUNNING indicator
[06:04] <marseillai> yes
[06:04] <pascalFR> that can change on no read emails
[06:04] <Tonio_> hum, marseillai it looks like your right
[06:04] <marseillai> as usual Tonio_ ........ :p
[06:05] <Tonio_> pascalFR: in fact I choosed to hide icon and that works pretty nicelly
[06:05] <Tonio_> let's wait for a mail to come....
[06:05] <pascalFR> Tonio_:  yes but kmail is still running
[06:05] <Tonio_> pascalFR: yes
[06:05] <pascalFR> ok :)
[06:05] <Tonio_> so it is possible to configure it as a notification client
[06:05] <Tonio_> now the question is what happens if I logout/login
[06:06] <pascalFR> if will still be there
[06:06] <pascalFR> as long as kmail runs when you logout
[06:06] <marseillai> i'm not sure
[06:06] <pascalFR> I am
[06:06] <pascalFR> I do that everyday
[06:06] <marseillai> pascalFR: i don't use restore seesion
[06:06] <marseillai> so it'll not start
[06:06] <TheBearded1> you have to have it autoatically save your session when you logout
[06:06] <TheBearded1> automatically*
[06:07] <marseillai> i launch it with ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:07] <pascalFR> and since kmail freeze a lot when reading mails I delayed first auto retrieving of mails
[06:07] <pascalFR> marseillai: yes  session or autostart
[06:08] <pascalFR> sessions now start very fast on edgy
[06:08] <sistpoty> Tonio_: I've been playing with kubuntu-default-settings a little bit... imo it shouldn't ship /.hidden and /media/.hidden in the package, as an admin might want to modify them (and thus these would just get overwritten)
[06:09] <sistpoty> Tonio_: I've already patched the package to put these to /etc/kubuntu-default-settings and create symlinks instead... what do you think?
[06:09] <Tonio_> sistpoty: hum, that can be said for any file in fact
[06:09] <Tonio_> sistpoty: that's interesting indeed
[06:09] <Tonio_> sistpoty: did you upload that to bzr ?
[06:10] <pascalFR> wow since last edgy update I cannot open dirs on konqueror
[06:10] <sistpoty> Tonio_: I'm not in kubuntu-devel... I'm just pushing to tiber (will take some more minutes I guess *g*)
[06:10] <Tonio_> sistpoty: can you send me your modifications ?
[06:10] <pascalFR> clicking on dirs start kaffeine !? :D
[06:10] <Tonio_> pascalFR: hu ?????????
[06:10] <sistpoty> Tonio_: ok... will do a debdiff
[06:10] <pascalFR> something weid with file assos
[06:10] <pascalFR> weird
[06:11] <pascalFR> where should I look?
[06:11] <Tonio_> pascalFR: remove ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc and ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror
[06:11] <Tonio_> pascalFR: something going wrong there probably
[06:11] <pascalFR> saving my bookmarks and cookies !
[06:13] <pascalFR> is it normal to have lots of *.new files in ~/.kde/share/config/ ?
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc0yIf9a.new
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrcDGJsbb.new
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrcil69eb.new
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrclJ9Pha.new
[06:15] <pascalFR> file:///home/pascal/.kde/share/config/konquerorrcNgIOUa.new
[06:19] <Riddell> pascalFR: I have plenty
[06:19] <sistpoty> Tonio_: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/kubuntu-default-settings.debdiff
[06:19] <pascalFR> humm file assos for inode/directory is now kaffeine by default !
[06:20] <pascalFR> it worked this morning
[06:20] <pascalFR> i just did an upgrade one hour ago
[06:22] <Riddell> sistpoty: why are symlinks better than files?
[06:22] <toma> pascalFR: kaffeine not starting?
[06:22] <sistpoty> Riddell: if I change the files locally, these will just get overwritten with the next version of the package... 
[06:23] <sistpoty> Riddell: however being in /etc, these are treated as conffiles
[06:23] <Riddell> interesting
[06:23] <Riddell> win 11
[06:23] <Riddell> tsk
[06:24] <pascalFR> toma: yes  not starting
[06:24] <pascalFR> kaffeine is now the first choice in file assos
[06:25] <pascalFR> konqueror the second
[06:25] <toma> pascalFR: i spotted a debian report for that as well, iirc it is forwarded upstream
[06:25] <imbrandon> Riddell, w00t we have dedicated guineypigs^Wtesters in #kubuntu-testers now ;)
[06:25] <Riddell> imbrandon: that's rather exciting
[06:25] <toma> pascalFR: oh, that i dont know
[06:25] <pascalFR> and this happens just after kubuntu-defauts-setting as been updated ... 
[06:25] <pascalFR> has
[06:26] <pascalFR> very strange
[06:26] <pascalFR> i cannot be the only one in this case
[06:28] <Tonio_> sistpoty: why .PHONY: install clean build ?
[06:28] <sistpoty> Tonio_: these targets don't create any files called install/clean or build?... then these are phony targetes
[06:29] <sistpoty> Tonio_: but that's just asthethics w.o. real impact ;)
[06:29] <imbrandon> Riddell / sistpoty , i think the bug number in that changelog is wrong too
[06:29] <Tonio_> sistpoty: okay, I'm testing and comitting if that works, thanks !
[06:29] <sistpoty> Tonio_: cool, thanks
[06:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: if you're doing k-d-s you can remove the dep on lipstick as well if we've changed to plastik
[06:29] <sistpoty> imbrandon: /me looks
[06:29] <marseillai> Tonio_: kxmame problem is solve?
[06:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: heh, indeed, I forgot that :)
[06:30] <sistpoty> imbrandon: right... type here :)
[06:30] <Tonio_> marseillai: nope, that's a bit complicated in fact...
[06:30] <marseillai> ok
[06:31] <pascalFR> ii  kubuntu-default-set 6.10-53 
[06:31] <Tonio_> marseillai: will requires a new version build, and as the app is now unmaintained, I wonder if that's necessary...
[06:31] <sistpoty> Tonio_: the bugnumber should be 63048
[06:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: and remember to do it in the bzr archive :)
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just finished cleaning the sources....
[06:31] <marseillai> Tonio_: is there a replacement for this package ?
[06:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: for openwengo.... still 130 MB
[06:31] <Riddell> whee
[06:32] <Tonio_> marseillai: don't think so, but xmame as its own gui
[06:32] <Tonio_> sistpoty: will correct the bug number too, thanks (klipper funky sometimes)
[06:32] <imbrandon> did anyone make a debian/rule to rm -rf the .bzr ? and what about upgrades for people that have .hidden already in / ?
[06:33] <sistpoty> imbrandon: it will get removed if the old package is removed... then the new package's postinst will create the symlinks to the correct files
[06:34] <imbrandon> removed yes, but replaced ?
[06:34] <imbrandon> or both
[06:34] <imbrandon> heya \sh
[06:35] <\sh> moins
[06:36] <\sh> hmm...why doesn't  cdrecord has the permissions to burn a cd via k3b?
[06:36] <\sh> edgy that is
[06:37] <Tonio_> \sh: isn't that done ? I asked for the same thing a moment ago and I was told it was resolved in edgy
[06:37] <\sh> Tonio_: hmm...I should wait for my dist-upgrade ,)
[06:38] <Tonio_> \sh: hehe
[06:38] <\sh> the other thing is, shouldn't we have  smp kernels in edgy by default, even for desktop installs?
[06:38] <sistpoty> imbrandon: it's s.th. like that: old package get's uninstalled, removing /.hidden (since it was in the package). new package get's unpacked with /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/hidden-root. upgrade get's run (noop for hidden-files stuff) and finally configure is run, which creates the symlinks to /etc/.../hidden-root
[06:38] <sistpoty> hey \sh
[06:38] <\sh> because my dual core laptop tells me I just have one cpu and not two ,)
[06:39] <imbrandon> sistpoty, ahh yes becosue it wasent a config file before, right , my mistake
[06:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: and openwengo as no scons configure directive, so dealing with builddeps is a real........ pleasure.......
[06:39] <imbrandon> err "seen" as a config
[06:40] <sistpoty> imbrandon: yes... but for the postinst/postrm scripts, it's better to have another look, since it mustn't fail in any case
[06:41] <imbrandon> \sh, you do have the -generic kernel installed correct ? ( e.g. the -386 isnt smp enabled )
[06:41] <imbrandon> ( assuming your on edgy )
[06:41] <\sh> imbrandon: oh damn...why is it installing -386v ;)
[06:42] <imbrandon> afaik becosue of some rare driver issues with smp kernels to be fixed by edgy+1 but for now if you have smp you need the -generic kernel
[06:42] <imbrandon> and hope you dont need the ralink driver ;)
[06:43] <imbrandon> easy , just " sudo apt-get install linux-generic " and reboot , problem solved, but yes it should be handled better
[06:43] <imbrandon> but thats the "hot-to" for now
[06:43] <imbrandon> s/hot/how
[06:44] <\sh> imbrandon: THX :) 
[06:46] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:47] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[06:47] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[07:03] <mhb> Riddell: two minutes faster :o)
[07:04] <Tonio_> sistpoty: uploaded
[07:04] <sistpoty> Tonio_: cool, thx
[07:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: first real kds bzr version is out :)
[07:22] <sistpoty> cya
[07:28] <aeig> _Sime: are you here ?
[07:30] <mhb> Riddell: in your meeting invitation email you wrote "see you in #ubuntu-devel" but meeting's as usual in #ubuntu-meeting (looks like it's scheduled there), right?
[07:33] <Riddell> doh
[07:35] <imbrandon_> okies i'm off to take a nap before the meeting while this kde compiles some more heh
[07:35] <imbrandon_> see yall in  a few hours
[07:35] <mhb> imbrandon_: enjoy the well-deserved rest :o)
[07:39] <jdong> \sh_away: if  had the 386 kernel before your dist-upgrade, it'll still pull in a 386 kernel
[07:39] <jdong> if you pulled in ubuntu-desktop, it'll also pull in linux-generic, too :D
[07:43] <jdong> sysmond: CRITICAL load average: amadeus.jd.lan reported 1175.50
[07:44] <jdong> *blink*
[07:46] <jdong> *sigh*, amazing what bad indenting in Python could do
[08:10] <Riddell> yay!
[08:10] <Riddell> _Sime: I take it you can't come to the US summit?
[08:10] <_Sime> Riddell: it sounds nice, but I don't have the holiday time AND I'm going to Oz for 5 weeks at the end of the year.
[08:11] <Riddell> ooh, save your holiday for oz then
[08:12] <_Sime> it is just not possible to organise that with my Real Work.
[08:12] <_Sime> Riddell: you've going?
[08:12] <Riddell> _Sime: to the US?  of course
[08:12] <Riddell> so's sebas (yay!)
[08:12] <jdong> Riddell: can bug 61946 be marked higher priority and targetted at 6.10?
[08:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "umount progress dialog missing in Edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[08:13] <jdong> Riddell: that's a high data loss potential bug
[08:13] <Riddell> jdong: has _Sime responded to that?
[08:13] <_Sime> Bastard!
[08:13] <jdong> Riddell: IIRC _Sime didn't cause the bug :)
[08:13] <_Sime> :-)
[08:13] <_Sime> I'll see sebas on the weekend.
[08:14] <_Sime> jdong: I'm hacking on it right now actually.
[08:14] <_Sime> Riddell: I want to get to Akademy 2007, and whatever summit there is mid-2007 for Ubuntu.
[08:15] <Riddell> akademy sometime in july in glasgow, ubuntu probably May time
[08:16] <_Sime> glasgow sounds do-able.
[08:16] <_Sime> once i figure out where it is. ;-)
[08:18] <_Sime> jdong: does the unmount dialog work in dapper for you? or anyone?
[08:18] <jdong> _Sime: it works in stock dapper
[08:18] <jdong> _Sime: I've not tried dapper 3.5.4 repos recently but IIRC they worked
[08:19] <_Sime> jdong: stock eh
[08:19] <jdong> as in dapper + dapper-updates
[08:20] <_Sime> I'm using dapper plus the 3.5.4 repo.
[08:24] <jdong> _Sime: and does that work?
[08:24] <jdong> (I'm guessing no, from your questions)
[08:24] <_Sime> I've tried to make it appear, but it won't.
[08:26] <jdong> _Sime: are your usb devices mounted async?
[08:26] <jdong> can you see activity after unmounting?
[08:28] <_Sime> jdong: on dapper or edgy?
[08:28] <jdong> on either
[08:28] <jdong> After I umount on either, I can clearly see iowait activity for a while, depending on how much data I wrote
[08:29] <jdong> in an extreme case, around 1 minute's worth of iowait
[08:29] <jdong> during which time KDE is basically telling me it's safe to yank out my stick
[08:33] <_Sime>   /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[08:40] <jdong> hmm
[08:40] <jdong> yeah, that should make for a dangerous umount
[08:40] <jdong> kde 3.5.2 definitely showed a unmount progress dialog for that
[08:44] <_Sime> jdong: have you looked through bugs.kde.rog?
[08:45] <jdong> _Sime: it's a hairy mess, and I could never get search to narrow bugs below half a quintillion hits
[08:45] <jdong> so if you have more eperience with it, good luck :)
[09:24] <fdoving> hmm.. anyone know where the prism2_usb driver is on edgy? can't find it on a freshly installed edgy-beta
[09:25] <fdoving> nevermind.. they are gone.
[09:31] <jdong> fdoving: I believe the next kernel upload is turning it back on?
[09:31] <jdong> but then that might've been my dream last night where I was browsing upstream changelogs
[09:33] <fdoving> haha.. you should take a break. a walk in the forest is nice. :)
[09:33] <fdoving> the next kernel really should turn it back on.
[09:33] <fdoving> and it should also update the bcm43xx driver,  currently my ibook hard-freezes every ~5-6 hours if the wlan is enabled.
[09:34] <fdoving> googled it and found it's a known bug.
[09:34] <jdong> as much as I'd love to sit here and put on a BenC hat, your best bet is to go poke him about it :)
[09:36] <fdoving> if you say so :)
[09:49] <trappist> what package do I want if I want to poke at the way kde handles changing desktop backgrounds when it's cycling through a directory of images
[09:51] <danimo> heya folks
[09:51] <Riddell> yo yo danimo 
[09:51] <danimo> heya
[09:51] <trappist> for example, I'd like add a feature to let it search directories recursively for images to use
[09:51] <danimo> Riddell: I guess you still haven't tried amarok and daap?
[09:51] <danimo> (along with zeroconf)
[09:51] <Riddell> can't say I have
[09:52] <danimo> Riddell: doesn't work for me it seems :(
[09:52] <Riddell> zeroconf I've tried, I need to fix that
[09:52] <danimo> Riddell: fixed what?
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: wengophone should be done toonight
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that'll not be accepted in uvf exception request
[09:55] <Tonio_> that's not a bugfix release....
[09:56] <Riddell> danimo: I need to fix zeroconf
[09:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: well, maybe we can talk nicely to the masters :)
[09:56] <danimo> Riddell: what's wrong with it?
[09:56] <Riddell> danimo: libnss-mdns doesn't set up nss.switch properly
[09:57] <danimo> Riddell: ah, that's why I cannot find anything :)
[09:59] <Riddell> add mdns at the end of hosts:
[09:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :) not to mention him ;)
[09:59] <danimo> Riddell: does mdns-scan have to be installed?
[10:00] <danimo> Riddell: I did that, before dns as adviced on the kde wiki
[10:00] <Tonio_> I have finished the code cleaning and builddeps, just the "install" part needs to be done (because that doesn't go in standard folders of course, so debhelper cannot install the files...)
[10:00] <danimo> Riddell: nothing happens
[10:40] <Lure> interesting bug 62703 - another reason not to use gtk... ;-)
[10:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62703 in Ubuntu "huge desktop memory leak" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/62703
[10:46] <Tonio_> meeting in 15 minutes
[10:47] <marseillai> question : when we will be able to add some feature request for edgy+1 ?
[10:48] <jdong> marseillai: his name is Santa... he comes about once a year
[10:49] <marseillai> edgy +1 will be call santa ?
[10:49] <marseillai> jdong: scuse me i'm not sure i've well understand
[10:50] <jdong> marseillai: never mind, launchpad, distro ubuntu, the features button on the left
[10:51] <jdong> marseillai: I was basically trying to tell you that from my experience, putting things on that list is like writing your government welfare system for a 16-core opteron server :)
[10:52] <marseillai> lol
[10:52] <marseillai> oki
[10:53] <marseillai> i was wondering two things for ubiquity : simplify partionning! i didn't understood it at all and came back to alternate cd because of it! and create a power-user mode of installation with package selection, sources.list modification .....
[10:59] <Riddell> ** three minutes to meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:27] <GNUro> Hi
[11:28] <seaLne> kwwii: the background i get on my second head (xinerama) looks a bit disjointed and dosen't seem to match up with the main one, not sure if its just my setup
[11:29] <seaLne> i'll try to remember to get a screen shot tommorow at work
[11:29] <kwwii> hrm, sounds funny, the file itself is quite big, perhaps there is some scaling problems going on
[11:29] <seaLne> i ahve 2 1280x1024
[11:30] <kwwii> well, if they are both the same size, you should get exactly the same ratio
[11:30] <kwwii> if they are different ratio's the pic will be stretched a bit different
[11:31] <seaLne> probably easier to wait till screenshot :)
[11:31] <seaLne> i'm stil trying to decide if i like xinerama, previously i've always had seperate heads, but haven't worked out how to do it on ne ati dual head card
[11:32] <kwwii> hehe
[11:32] <kwwii> yeah, I actually liked having seperate logins
[11:33] <seaLne> i didn't have seperate logins but they were distinct, so apart from shared kbd+mouse they behaved independantly and i could change desktops on 1 without affecting the other
[11:34] <kwwii> there almost needs to be a bigger themeing idea behind multi-head setups
[11:35] <kwwii> that would be really cool
[11:35] <kwwii> like staying at the movie long enough to learn the real secrets which only came at the very end
[11:35] <kwwii> :p
[11:38] <seaLne> normally i just have a black background which is simpler :)
[11:38] <kwwii> hehe, no doubt
[11:38] <kwwii> actually, a tiled bg is perfect for this kinda thing as well
[11:38] <kwwii> but tiled bgs are soooo out
[11:39] <seaLne> but big improvement recently(?) when kdm has a background on both heads
[11:42] <kwwii> one day, when Tonio_ is some big, famous KDE guy I will saw I knew him when he was young
[11:43] <Tonio_> kwwii: mouarf :) hard to become famous when you don't code :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> kwwii: I don't plan to learn C++ at all :)
[11:45] <Lure> Tonio_: you can do it in php ;-)
[11:45] <Tonio_> Lure: lol
[11:45] <Lure> Tonio_: and you mentioned that you are learning python
[11:45] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, true
[11:46] <Tonio_> but I am at the very begining
[11:47] <kwwii> Tonio_: don't worry...the grasshopper does not know the extent of the world until he makes his first jump (/me tries to sound mystical)
[11:48] <kwwii> one day you can say I was a mentor or some crap like that
[11:48] <seaLne> jdong: isn't that what flash drives are for?
[11:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: lol :)
[11:48] <jdong> seaLne: dvd+rw's are considerably cheaper
[11:48] <seaLne> jdong: is it something many people do?
[11:48] <toma> Tonio_: is digikamimageplugins also on the cd?
[11:49] <jdong> seaLne: I use that functionality of +RW's a lot
[11:49] <jdong> seaLne: I have flash drives, but I can't buy 40GB worth of flash drives for 5 bucks
[11:50] <jdong> those with too much free time on their hands have attempted ubuntu installs to dvd+rw's, actually, and I've heard limited success stories :D
[11:50] <seaLne> is it specific to + rather than -?
[11:50] <Tonio_> toma: no
[11:51] <toma> Tonio_: hm.
[11:51] <Lure> Tonio_: why not? 
[11:51] <Tonio_> toma: we don't ship showfoto
[11:51] <Tonio_> and they are mostly usefull with it
[11:52] <jdong> seaLne: it's specific to +. - does not support truly random access, i.e. block device
[11:52] <toma> Tonio_: no, thats not true
[11:52] <seaLne> i only just ordered some rw dvds recently to play with
[11:53] <Lure> Tonio_: but digikam editor uses them too
[11:53] <Tonio_> toma, Lure: Size: 4462602
[11:54] <Tonio_> maybe the day we have freed some space on the cd, we can ship it
[11:54] <toma> Tonio_: i prefer them above kipi
[11:54] <Lure> Tonio_: they are not even in main :-(
[11:54] <Lure> toma: +1 
[11:55] <Tonio_> that's why I really hope we'll give a try at koffice for edgy+1, but that'll probably be discussed at UDS
[11:55] <Tonio_> yes, but kipi-plugins can be used in several applications, not only digikam
[11:55] <allee> toma, Lure: really?  YOu do lot's of image editing?  Compared to slideshow sendimage etc in kpi-plugins?
[11:55] <toma> allee: well, digikam without the plugins is kind of running outside naked
[11:55] <Tonio_> I beleive yes
[11:55] <allee> Tonio_: no
[11:56] <Lure> allee: adjustcurves/levels are useful
[11:56] <Tonio_> allee: okay
[11:56] <Tonio_> Lure: I would like to include them, but the size on the cd becomes a problem, really......
[11:57] <Tonio_> winfloss can be discussed too... but not a chance to remove that....
[11:57] <seaLne> i wonder if we can teach the cat "rm -rf /" :)
[11:57] <Tonio_> although I think that winfloss shouldn't be prior to kubuntu content
[11:57] <Lure> Tonio_: does not help for ppc and amd64 where we have the least space
[11:57] <seaLne> isn't winfloss what the opencd is for?
[11:57] <Tonio_> Lure: yes,
[11:58] <Tonio_> seaLne: true, that's why, even if that's usefull, I think that'll have to be removed one day
[11:58] <Tonio_> winfloss + OOo are about 100 MB
[11:58] <Tonio_> 15% of the cd
[11:58] <seaLne> i'd be interested to know if there are any statistics about anyone ever using the winfloss stuff
[11:58] <Tonio_> but I agree winfloss isn't THE solution since amd64 as the same problem
[11:59] <Tonio_> seaLne: very few people in my opinion
[11:59] <seaLne> yeah
[11:59] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning amd64, that's another debate.... maybe one day that'll just be a dvd, I don't know...
[12:00] <Tonio_> amd64 computers generally have a dvd and a dsl line :)
[12:04] <Riddell> kwwii: https://launchpad.net/people/jr/+branch/kubuntu-website/main
[12:04] <Riddell> you need to bzr branch that one
[12:04] <Riddell> and you can  bzr checkout https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members/+branch/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[12:05] <Riddell> see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-October/001364.html
[12:06] <kwwii> Riddell: erm, am I in kubuntu-members?
[12:06] <imbrandon_> kwwii: yes
[12:07] <freeflying> imbrandon_: kde-355 ok now?
[12:07] <imbrandon_> https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members
[12:07] <imbrandon_> kwwii: ^^
[12:07] <kwwii> imbrandon_: thanks
[12:07] <imbrandon_> freeflying: still compiling , its only about 1/3 the way done
[12:07] <imbrandon_> my ppc compiler is SLOW heh
[12:08] <kwwii> this whole launchpad thins makes my head spin
[12:08] <imbrandon_> freeflying: but Riddell said he is going to get a uvf for it tomarrow so it will be in the main archive soon
[12:08] <imbrandon_> ( and qt4.2 )
[12:08] <freeflying> imbrandon_: yep
[12:09] <imbrandon_> kwwii: hehe yea it took me a long time to get used to ut
[12:09] <imbrandon_> it*
[12:09] <imbrandon_> but its nice once you figure out all the bits
[12:12] <kwwii> imbrandon_: definitely true