[12:05] <Burgwork> nixternal, thanks
[12:05] <Burgwork> unstable, I have emailed two people looking for information
[12:05] <Burgwork> unstable, hang out in this channel and we shoudl be able to get an answer back to you
[12:05] <Burgwork> or you can email me at corey.burger@ubuntu.com
[12:07] <nixternal> oh...man, when you said unstable, i thought you were talking about Edgy support!
[12:07] <nixternal> haha
[12:09] <Burgwork> nope
[12:10] <unstable> Someone using edgy with agilx + compiz would be awesome.
[12:10] <unstable> Burgwork: shipit.ubuntu.com ships free cds?
[12:11] <Burgwork> unstable, yes
[12:16] <unstable> If the Festival is November 17th, will Edgy cds ship in time before then or no?
[12:17] <Burgwork> mention in your request when you need them by
[12:17] <Burgwork> I don't imagine it will be an issue
[12:17] <Burgwork> how many people are expected to attend?
[12:19] <unstable> It's hard to say.
[12:19] <unstable> My goal is 1000 people.
[12:19] <Burgwork> how many last year?
[12:19] <Burgwork> are you the primary organizer?
[12:19] <unstable> This is our first time.
[12:19] <unstable> Burgwork: yes, myself and an alumni
[12:20] <Burgwork> how many existing users of Linux?
[12:21] <Burgwork> the reason I am asking is I am trying to gauge how many cds you should ask for
[12:21] <unstable> Existing at our school?
[12:21] <Burgwork> expected
[12:21] <unstable> Well we have lilug( www.lilug.org ) which I'm also involved with.
[12:22] <unstable> We have about 4% of students who use GNU/Linux
[12:22] <unstable> But the idea is to have Ubuntu showcased with aiglx and compiz, and OO.o / gaim / firefox etc..and then everyone will want to use it!
[12:23] <Burgwork> cool
[12:23] <Burgwork> how big is lilug?
[12:23] <unstable> 50 people on average a month
[12:24] <Burgwork> I would ask for a 100 to 150 cds
[12:56] <unstable> I'll be idling here for few days, let me know if anything comes up.
[12:56] <unstable> I really appreciate the help, thanks.
[01:01] <Burgwork> unstable, no worries
[01:53] <unstable> Burgwork: How do I know if my "request" was accepted?
[02:00] <Burgwork> unstable, ask
[02:00] <Burgwork> sorry, it will tell you
[02:01] <jenda> Burgwork: I'm near going to bed... in fact, extremely tired. But since a Czech LoCoTeam member wanted to add something to the UWN... I need to ask, how it is ATM.
[02:01] <Burgwork> jenda, spelling checking and then out
[02:01] <Burgwork> have them add it to the next issue
[02:02] <Burgwork> which I am also going to be away for
[02:02] <jenda> OK, very good from my point of view ;)
[02:02] <jenda> I have no clue if he added it or not yet.
[02:02] <jenda> On the wiki?
[02:02] <Burgwork> yep
[02:02] <unstable> Burgwork: There was no option anywhere to specify edgy.
[02:02] <jenda> (He said he discussed it with Riddell)
[02:03] <Burgwork> unstable, you are getting dapper
[02:03] <lophyte> you can't order Edgy CDs
[02:03] <lophyte> its not released yet
[02:03] <unstable> Burgwork: also it automatically approved my order after I made it. So it's geting sent?
[02:03] <Burgwork> yes
[02:03] <unstable> lophyte: I want to order them for November 17th
[02:03] <unstable> For a free/libre software and entertainment technology festival at my University
[02:03] <lophyte> *nods* there's no pre-order, though :)
[02:03] <jenda> Well, each LoCo team gets them, so you might be able to order a few from your LoCo Team... BTW :)
[02:03] <Burgwork> jenda, there is no New York loco team
[02:03] <jenda> (AFAIK)
[02:04] <jenda> There ISN'T???
[02:04] <jenda> You should start one, in that case :)
[02:04] <jenda> And you can get your CDs from the nearest LoCo Team.
[02:04] <Burgwork> for a specific event, you can get cds
[02:05] <Burgwork> after all, events are going to generate higher than usual ROI
[02:05] <jenda> Well, you can always get a few Dapper CDs from shipit... if I understood correctly.
[02:05] <lophyte> if you want Edgy CDs, you'll either have to burn the Beta ISO yourself, or wait until Edgy is released and then order
[02:06] <jenda> lophyte: not really...
[02:06] <Burgwork> lophyte, shipit is not going to ship edgy cds
[02:06] <lophyte> yeah, I heard that too.. was going to mention it
[02:06] <lophyte> I wasn't sure if it was a for sure thingo rn ot
[02:06] <lophyte> thing or not*
[02:07] <jenda> "Our current plan is to keep ShipIt open but to continue shipping Version
[02:07] <jenda> 6.06 LTS CDs rather than Edgy CDs."
[02:07] <lophyte> ahh.
[02:07] <jenda> "We will still produce CDs for Edgy, but are looking to make them
[02:07] <jenda> available through other channels.  Specifically,
[02:07] <jenda> - every approved LoCo team will receive a shipment of 500 CDs"
[02:08] <Burgwork> ah, that is not yet
[02:08] <Burgwork> means I need to get the Canadian loco approved
[02:08] <Burgwork> lophyte, can you put us ont he next CC meeting agenda?
[02:08] <lophyte> that shouldn't take much :P
[02:08] <lophyte> sure
[02:10] <jenda> O-M-G... it's not in there yet? :)
[02:10] <jenda> Even the CZ has been approved for a long time... (and long before I knew, for shame ;))
[02:11] <jenda> In any case, I'll have to go to bed for now. Night.
[04:06] <tomveens> What is the progress of the ubuntu magazine? Is ubuntu marketing doing something with it?
[04:08] <Madpilot> UWN = the magazine effort right now, more or less
[04:09] <unstable> Ubuntu magazine that would be interesting
[04:09] <unstable> I bought that linux magazine once, terrible terrible crap
[04:09] <unstable> heh
[04:10] <tomveens> never heard of the idea to have an ubuntu magazine?
[04:10] <unstable> no
[04:11] <Madpilot> it's been kicked around, currently it's shelved - good idea, but MT doesn't have the people to pull it off as well as all the other stuff
[04:11] <tomveens> https://launchpad.net/projects/ubuntumagazine
[04:12] <tomveens> https://launchpad.net/people/t1nt1n/ he started it I thought?
[04:12] <unstable> Ship a free Ubuntu every 6 months with the magazine
[04:13] <tomveens> The only thing I have heard was a poll for the name
[04:13] <unstable> Even an issue every 3 months would be nice.
[04:13] <Madpilot> tomveens, yeah, the name poll is about as far as it got
[04:13] <unstable> I bet that would be profitable.
[04:13] <unstable> But I know nothing about the magazine business.
[04:14] <tomveens> I was just reading the blender magazine, a good magazine! and I thought there is also a lot to tell about ubuntu
[04:14] <unstable> Like blender3d magazine?
[04:14] <tomveens> http://blenderart.org/
[04:14] <tomveens> here it is
[04:14] <tomveens> you can download it
[04:14] <tomveens> read it, it is very interesting
[04:15] <unstable> awesome
[04:15] <unstable> Someone should make a magazine style wiki.
[04:15] <unstable> And then it exploits the whole issue to pdf and/or odt
[04:15] <unstable> I'd write an article.
[04:16] <unstable> s/exploits/exports/
[04:16] <unstable> heh
[04:16] <tomveens> in my own I can tell others a lot about ubuntu, image what kind of interesting things a group can do
[04:16] <tomveens> mean can tell
[04:16] <Burgundavia> unstable: exporting to pdf is not hard form the current wiki
[04:16] <Burgundavia> plus the idea of an Ubuntu magazine has been raised before
[04:17] <Burgundavia> tomveens: if you want to start the idea up, we will happily help you
[04:18] <tomveens> thanx Burgundavia
[04:18] <Burgundavia> but as Madpilot said, we just don't have the spare cycles to actually do much about it
[04:18] <tomveens> you as an ubuntu-marketing team?
[04:18] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:18] <Burgundavia> here is what I see needing to be done
[04:18] <Burgundavia> create a look, with a template
[04:18] <Burgundavia> write one or two articles
[04:19] <Burgundavia> ask other epole to join you
[04:19] <Burgundavia> forget about definign an audience and don't expect peopel to join you until you have sucess
[04:19] <tomveens> you defining the rules of open community's very well
[04:19] <unstable> yea, once it's sucessful I bet a lot of people will want to join.
[04:20] <Burgundavia> about 90% of the people who express interest will fall away within the first one or two releases
[04:20] <Burgundavia> however, that 10% will carry you
[04:20] <unstable> If you do a bi-monthly issue I bet you'll get dugg and slashdotted regularly.
[04:20] <Burgundavia> I would initially say quartly
[04:20] <Burgundavia> that manages expectations quite well
[04:21] <tomveens> I have to lay in my bed for a while to picture the form in my head, hope I'll succeed in this, because it is an interesting project
[04:21] <unstable> But really how different can the magazine be from digg or slashdot or newsforge or UWN etc.
[04:21] <tomveens> unstable: I rather do not want to be slashdotted because I have a little home server;)
[04:21] <unstable> What will be in the magazine to make it different?
[04:21] <Burgundavia> big articles about ubuntu
[04:22] <Burgundavia> howtos, major successes, etc.
[04:22] <tomveens> And clearer lay-out
[04:22] <poningru> hmm
[04:22] <tomveens> buy a magazine and you'll find out that it has some scoops but mainly a feel-good layout
[04:23] <tomveens> easy reading
[04:23] <tomveens> for a huge audiance as possible
[04:23] <unstable> Debian's DWN died, so you'll have a bigger audience now too.
[04:23] <Madpilot> PDF mags aren't really mass-market - not yet, anyway
[04:24] <tomveens> What is that Debian DWN never heard of it
[04:24] <unstable> tomveens: Where do you think UWN came from?
[04:24] <Madpilot> Debian Weekly News
[04:24] <tomveens> okay
[04:24] <Madpilot> UWN = Ubuntu Weekly News
[04:24] <unstable> http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/39/
[04:24] <unstable> "As Debian experiments with funding, the editor and main author of DWN is going to experiment with spending less time on Debian. Please understand that due to this there may be no future issues of DWN in the current form or that they will only be released less frequently."
[04:25] <tomveens> I find pdf nicer to read than in a browser
[04:25] <unstable> same
[04:25] <unstable> Because of the borders/newspaper like feel.
[04:25] <tomveens> yes
[04:25] <unstable> Less distractions and other crap, I can focus on the text, since I know there is a uniform layout.
[04:26] <tomveens> I is not a newspaper where you feel the paper. But is being busy with the issue
[04:26] <unstable> wow, this blender is a 78 page issue.
[04:26] <unstable> That's a lot.
[04:26] <tomveens> yes
[04:27] <tomveens> magazines have at least 40 pages
[04:27] <tomveens> and that is in the magazine bussiness not much
[04:27] <Madpilot> the only problem with PDF mags/newsletters is that you often wind up scrolling up and down to follow the newspaper-style columns of text
[04:28] <Burgundavia> I would aim for 10 pages
[04:28] <Burgundavia> 4 articles, with filler for the rest
[04:28] <tomveens> you can make the pdf-vieuwer switch to another page, like 1 page to view at the time
[04:29] <Burgundavia> back in a couple of hours
[04:30] <tomveens> I would say as quick  idea to make sections. Because ubuntu exsists of teams and people who are not in those, a lot of different interessts in ubuntu. Developers information is interesting but not for every ubuntu user.
[04:31] <tomveens> some of them just want to use a secure system and openoffice
[04:33] <tomveens> Madpilot: I see what you are talking about, it has to be designed to easy read in a pdf viewer
[04:33] <tomveens> thats a challenge
[04:34] <tomveens> I like the idea to do this, but first I have to think about it, also because of my other projects, but imagine...
[04:35] <tomveens> I start this and publish something on the internet, people find it interesting. Is there server space you can offer the project?
[04:35] <tomveens> how does that work?
[04:37] <poningru> tomveens: supposedly bzr has server space/bandwidth to do such things
[04:37] <poningru> and you can just link it from your page
[04:41] <rjian> Burgundavia: Is it ok to contribute News from Philippines??
[04:41] <tomveens> So the website ubuntuvideo has it own serverspace but can host their video files at bzr?
[04:41] <poningru> rjian: what kinda news?
[04:41] <poningru> if its ubuntu related then ofcourse
[04:41] <tomveens> okay, I see the picture
[04:42] <rjian> Poningru: how about FOSS related?
[04:43] <poningru> hmm you are talking about UWN right?
[04:43] <poningru> put it in for #17, if its too offtopic someone will take it out
[04:44] <rjian> ah ok
[08:44] <Burgundavia> crap, we missed LWN
[08:48] <jenda> hm
[08:51] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, cest la vie
[08:51] <Burgundavia> no matter
[08:51] <elkbuntu> pardon the bad french :
[08:51] <Burgundavia> please do a final spell check
[08:52] <elkbuntu> i did a check last night. fixed my name's spelling up and so forth
[08:52] <Burgundavia> perfect
[08:52] <elkbuntu> jenda, want to take a quick look to make sure i didnt miss anything?
[08:52] <jenda> sure
[08:53] <elkbuntu> bbs. going to get some photocopying done
[08:53] <jenda> BTW, did you keep the gobby and the wiki versions synced?
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jenda: no, I did not
[08:56] <Burgundavia> another minor point
[08:56] <Burgundavia> avoid [http:// blah] 
[08:57] <Burgundavia> it is a moinism
[08:57] <jenda> right
[08:57] <jenda> umm... really?
[08:57] <jenda> I think it's a better way to write a link... but sure.
[08:58] <jenda> can be removed easily.
[08:58] <jenda> Not sure I can sync them now.
[08:58] <jenda> oh crud, I'll force myself.
[08:59] <Burgundavia> we avoid it for the plaintext email, it is too hard to strip out
[08:59] <jenda> what do you mean by strip out?
[09:00] <jenda> BTW I hate the password on gobby. I always have to go to the editing policies page.
[09:01] <jenda> hehe... cool way of making people read the page :-D
[09:02] <jenda> I hope you're sure about that, Burgundavia... I just removed about 30 http:// and https:// from URLs
[09:03] <Burgundavia> oh, don't remove that bit
[09:03] <Burgundavia> just the [ ] 
[09:03] <jenda> grrr
[09:03] <jenda> I didn't understand what you meant.
[09:03] <Burgundavia> sorry
[09:03] <Burgundavia> sync the latest from the wiki
[09:03] <jenda> no undo in gobby :)
[09:03] <jenda> will have to do it manually...
[09:04] <Burgundavia> I just changed a bunch in the wiki
[09:06] <poningru> jenda: its 'uni of florida @ for the win'
[09:06] <jenda> poningru: I know, thanks, but I'm still having trouble remembering :)
[09:06] <jenda> !lart my memory.
[09:07] <poningru> you know we could change it to something else if you _really_ want
[09:07] <jenda> boy does it look stupid when all the http:// in gobby are in my color... wait, it IS stupid...
[09:08] <jenda> poningru: no, it's not the password in particular, it's the fact there is one.
[09:08] <jenda> :)
[09:08] <jenda> But if you think we need it, then I'm not fighting ;)
[09:08] <poningru> yeah rather not have a open ended service running without any password at all
[09:09] <Burgundavia> http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2006-10-04/is-ubuntu-an-operating-system/
[09:09] <Burgundavia> wow
[09:10] <jenda> (grr.. .how can I make xchat open links in firefox by default?)
[09:11] <Burgundavia> you can't
[09:13] <poningru> arr?
[09:13] <poningru> right click
[09:13] <poningru> open in browser
[09:14] <jenda> poningru: opened in galeon...
[09:14] <jenda> ...removed galeon...
[09:14] <jenda> opens in lynx :-D
[09:14] <poningru> oh
[09:14] <poningru> whats your default browser?
[09:14] <jenda> I have a URL handler 'open in firefox', but I'm so used to clicking 'open in browser'
[09:14] <jenda> firefox
[09:15] <jenda> but, for example, when I right click a php script in nautilus, it doesn't offer ff as an option.
[09:15] <jenda> (edgy beta)
[09:16] <Burgundavia> ok, sending the UWN now
[09:16] <Burgundavia> bloody long time
[09:16] <Burgundavia> and this week I am away as well
[09:16] <jenda> Burgundavia: wait, I didn't sync gobby yet.
[09:16] <jenda> or did you?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> no, I didn't
[09:16] <jenda> Or will you rather re-demoin it?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> the wiki is the latest
[09:16] <Burgundavia> afaik
[09:17] <jenda> yes
[09:17] <Burgundavia> I am pulling from the wiki
[09:17] <Burgundavia> I would rather we have one location
[09:17] <jenda> And will you demoinize it all over again?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> when in the wiki, leave in a note in gobby, and vice versa
[09:17] <jenda> (one location is obviously the best)
[09:17] <jenda> But technical issues prevented that this time.
[09:17] <Burgundavia> are there chagnes in ogbby not in moin?
[09:18] <jenda> Only moinisms removed, I hope.
[09:18] <Burgundavia> ok, then remove teh gobby document entirely please
[09:18] <jenda> But it's quite a bit of work to do.
[09:18] <jenda> uh?
[09:18] <Burgundavia> I already removed the moinism from teh wiki copy
[09:19] <jenda> aha
[09:19] <jenda> ok
[09:19] <jenda> double work :(
[09:19] <Burgundavia> sorry
[09:19] <jenda> I won't remove the gobby document, there is even a 15
[09:19] <jenda> UWN 15 there
[09:20] <jenda> But I put a notice that editing takes place in the wiki.
[09:20] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:20] <jenda> or... perhaps there's no point in that... poningru, let's remove them both. The wiki should be good enough an archive.
[09:21] <poningru> so just remove entire UWN 15 and 16?
[09:22] <jenda> Id' say so.
[09:22] <jenda> poningru: and the UWN 15 todo list... and UWN 16 (2
[09:22] <jenda> err... (2)
[09:22] <jenda> :)
[09:22] <Burgundavia> ok, UWN 16 sent
[09:23] <poningru> awesome
[09:23] <jenda> yay
[09:23] <jenda> better than never.
[09:25] <BHSPitLappy> woo.
[09:25] <BHSPitLappy> jenda, what's your situation with case badge stickers?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> 17 created
[09:30] <Burgundavia> edit away
[09:40] <jenda> BHSPitLappy: MenZa will be sending them today
[09:40] <jenda> will be 4 or 5 hundred.
[09:41] <jenda> Well would you look at that... a nice crisp UWN in my box :)
[11:02] <jenda> yay - a poster order from dholbach :)
[12:06] <elkbuntu> hehe
[05:51] <Klaidas> hello
[05:51] <lophyte> hiya