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for Europe/Rome: 05 Oct 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Oct 23:00: Kubuntu | 06 Oct 12:00: Accessibility Team | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team === sigurdga [n=sigurdga@186.84-48-48.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:44] @schedule America/Montreal [08:44] Schedule for America/Montreal: 05 Oct 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Oct 17:00: Kubuntu | 06 Oct 06:00: Accessibility Team | 10 Oct 16:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 16:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team [08:45] morning [08:45] mdz_: Hey. [08:45] Certainly morning. === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p549550C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 05 Oct 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 06 Oct 10:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 10 Oct 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team [08:51] morning [08:51] good morning [08:51] who else is here? [08:52] pong === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:53] Hi === Fujitsu pokes his head out of the shadows. [08:53] pitti: hi === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:53] hi all === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B3C82.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mdz_ waits for the last-minute barrage from the UK === mdz_ [n=mdz@12.170.226.2] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === mdz_ [n=mdz@12.170.226.2] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:54] We're being flooded by core-devs! [08:54] dholbach: morning === Fujitsu drowns. [08:54] good morning, mdz [08:54] morning everybody else :) [08:54] Hi dholbach. [08:54] GOOD MORNING, Daniel! [08:54] good morning [08:54] Hey doko__. [08:55] HEYA T O L L E F - hey doko__, Fujitsu :-) === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fujitsu misses Mithrandir. [08:55] Hello everyone. [08:56] hi fschoep [08:56] mdz: pong [08:56] mdz: can you put me a bit later in the queue, I've got a cold and need to order my list a bit more [08:56] hi dholbach [08:56] dholbach: Doing fine, I hope? [08:56] fschoep: ok === xeros [n=xeros@dvc139.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:57] fschoep: yeah, blubuntu and peace uploaded, will do tropic after the meeting (they'll be sitting in NEW for a while) === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.160] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:57] dholbach: OK, thanks lot === heno [n=henrik@ti200720a080-3150.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:57] heno: morning [08:58] fschoep: no problem - i hope we have the artwork example packaging gallery complete soon ;-) [08:58] mdz_ morning :) === keescook [n=kees@mylar.outflux.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:58] dholbach: OK, can you also peek at my patch for #57626 today :) ? === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:58] fschoep: sure will [08:58] dholbach: thanks [08:58] de rien :) [09:00] we are short ~5, waiting a minute for stragglers [09:02] tardiness abounds === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:02] time to get started though [09:02] tfheen: you're up [09:02] misc: some casper hacking, cleanups after beta, preparations for RC [09:02] next week: RC preparations, finishing touches to casper === ranf [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-132-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:02] oh, and I'm going to get a new Opera version into -commercial too [09:02] tfheen: what's your feeling on the bug list for RC/final? [09:02] (security fixes) [09:02] mdz_: the list of targeted bugs looks manageable. [09:03] tfheen: have you looked over the process doc for RC? [09:03] yes, and it looks good. [09:03] let's see if the execution works well too. :-) [09:03] the key is to make corrections as you go :-) [09:04] yeah, I'm going to do that [09:04] the checklist starts...3 days ago I think [09:04] it starts today, iirc? [09:04] with KernelFreeze [09:04] ah, correct [09:04] and then monday [09:04] yeah [09:05] ok, thanks [09:05] pitti: next [09:05] Done: [09:05] * security updates: firefox 1.0->1.5 for breezy (ugh, thanks to all involved), openssl, mono, checked/published lots of updates from Kees [09:05] * fixed langpack-o-matic infrastructure to work with new SRU policy (upload staging in *-proposed), uploaded new langpacks to dapper-proposed, discussion about publishing/review is ongoing [09:05] * fixed langpack-o-matic to only generate new versions if something actually changed [09:05] * taught apport how to run really *fast* [09:05] * improved apport-retrace script to make use of new ddeb archive, so that you now get symbolic stack traces to the extent possible (depending on ddeb availability); will announce it on u-devel [09:05] * Beta CD testing [09:05] * bug fixing sprint [09:05] Todo: [09:05] * finish discussion and SRU policy about langpack updates to get updates working again [09:05] * another bug fixing sprint, catch up with bug triage [09:05] * some more pending security updates, clean up the backlog of low-profile issues with Kees [09:05] * care for mysql merge if infinity's workload is too high [09:05] pitti: anything on your bug list for final? [09:06] yeah, quite a number [09:06] I used the milestone [09:06] manageable though? [09:06] about 15 which are easy [09:06] yes, the only bug that will need time to fix is the sudo one [09:06] for the rest I have patches or an easy solution, just a matter of applying and testing them [09:07] pitti: is that the ssh+sudo terminal bug? [09:07] I think I can kill them by the end of the week [09:07] pitti: are you getting feedback about the ddeb infrastructure [09:07] keescook: yes [09:07] mdz_: yes, some; people seem to love it :) [09:07] and various Debian guys approached me as well [09:07] morning [09:07] Hurray! [09:07] but with yesterday's apport-gtk, the ddebs start making real sense === sivang is here now [09:08] erm, s/gtk/retrace/ [09:08] excellent [09:08] pitti: is there a doc which explains to developers how to use it? [09:08] it would be useful if bug triagers could decode the crash reports [09:08] mdz: that's the 'will announce it today' part [09:08] pitti: ok, thanks [09:08] yes, I probably put it into the wiki [09:08] heno: next [09:09] a11y for Edgy: [09:09] * onBoard promoted to main but needs seeding to desktop and GOK should be un-seeded. This will save several MB [09:09] * Bugs: GOK crasher (58600) AT-SPI crasher (62446) [09:09] * Live CD: Will test latest Casper settings, Need ubquity orca-as-root hack [09:09] * usability: gnome-at-prefs patch pending to eliminate a11y menu entries in Applications menu (59553) [09:09] *WinFOSS: just some cosmetic cleanups and latest versions of apps (esp. Firefox now in RC) [09:09] heno: I'm happy to do the seed change. [09:09] was just about to ask ;-) [09:09] ;) [09:09] dholbach: thanks! [09:09] heno: de rien [09:10] tfheen: winfoss is one for the checklist; please add it [09:10] the gok crasher was X-related, I think [09:10] it should have a deadline well in advance of RC [09:10] heno: for the at-spi crasher, we should get in touch with William again [09:11] dholbach: sorry William who? [09:11] heno: you had a chance to test a11y in beta and those are the only known major issues? [09:11] heno: Walker [09:11] mdz_: yes, that's what's on my list [09:12] heno: ok, thanks [09:12] several things have been fixed in the past few days [09:12] iwj: next [09:12] package-dependency-field-breaks: reverted the Breakses in edgy (update-manager couldn't be made to cope in time) [09:12] automated-testing-deployment: Some progress on packaging the Xen/LVM virtualisation scripts. [09:12] other done: firefox 1.0->1.5 security update for breezy finally done. Bugs. [09:12] todo: Bugs and more automated-testing-deployment. [09:12] mdz_: done [09:12] iwj: ISTR the firefox branding list being a targeted bug; have you had a look at that? [09:12] tfheen: thanks [09:12] s/list/issue/ [09:13] "bon echo" -> "firefox" [09:13] mdz_: Err, no ... === freemanen [n=freemane@c83-248-211-211.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:13] I was waiting to see what came out of your negotiations with upstream. [09:13] And secretly hoping the actual 2.0 might make it. [09:13] iwj: they're not being very responsive; we're likely to go with what we have for edgy === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:13] according to upstream there is no need to name the pre-releases Bon Echo [09:14] so we don't need to wait for 2.0 for that [09:14] mdz: So just to be clear, I should arrange for it to be called `firefox' unless I hear from you otherwise ? [09:14] (and we need to fix it even if it doesn't come) [09:14] iwj: yes, matching dapper [09:14] mdz: Well, yes, but when 2.0 comes the name will change automatically. [09:14] iwj: s/when/if/ :-) [09:14] Quite. [09:14] iwj: ok, thanks [09:14] sfllaw: next === doko_ is away for 2min [09:15] Done: [09:15] * Set up lab environment to test fixes for *-proposed [09:15] * Verified bug 59228 was fixed [09:15] * Bug triage [09:15] * Hug day [09:15] Malone bug 59228 in cpio "cpio build glitch breaks Unicode char handling" [Unknown,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/59228 [09:15] * Pinged cgps about interns [09:15] * Installer testing with cr3 [09:16] To do: [09:16] * Hug day [09:16] * Bug triage [09:16] sfllaw: there are a few non-mainstream use cases which I think we need to formally QA in advance of RC; please email me and I will fill in the details tomorrow [09:17] mdz_: Writing e-mail as we speak. [09:17] sfllaw: since you were in proximity, do you happen to know what's happening wrt cr3 and certification testing? [09:17] I know that they're going to be testing the boxes that Intel has shipped them. [09:18] And that they will try to do all the boxes in the lab on a best effort basis. [09:18] ok, that's one of the items I was referring to, but I have a specific list of line items [09:18] will follow up via email [09:18] thanks sfllaw [09:18] doko_: next [09:18] this week: [09:18] - openoffice.org - OOo 2.0.4 RC3 packages, splitting out icon styles [09:18] and dropping dependency on java-gcj-compat (saving 17MB on the CD). [09:18] fix openoffice.org-gcj to work again, updated some needed -java [09:18] packages. [09:18] - toolchain-roadmap: addressing bugs, still outstanding: glibc build [09:18] failure on ia64, currently working on it. [09:18] - toolchain-roadmap+1: prepare gcc-4.1/gcc-4.2, binutils updates. [09:18] - some fixes for python using packages [09:18] - other: looking at eclipse update, oprofile sync. [09:18] next week: [09:18] - focus on OOo report, python reports. [09:18] - address glibc build failure on ia64 [09:19] "saving 17MB" yay :) [09:19] doko_: the java-gcj-compat changes are landed now? === pitti hugs doko_ for CD space savings [09:19] mdz_: yes [09:20] doko_: well done [09:20] doko_: do you expect to see a 2.0.4 final before RC freeze? [09:20] mdz: it's expected before our RC, let's see how it works [09:21] final python 2.4.4 is another candidate for an update [09:21] doko_: could you follow up with LP folks to see about opening edgy+1 in advance? last i heard, it was deemed possible but the plan wasn't very concrete [09:22] ok, will do [09:22] doko_: thanks [09:22] BenC: next [09:22] Done: [09:22] * Most of the way through the dapper kernel post-release changes audit [09:22] * edgy kernel is about ready. Few more regressions to look at. Upload tomorrow will be for kernel freeze. [09:22] * started work on edgy+1 kernel [09:22] * no-boot-loader changes will be uploaded tomorrow with kernel. [09:22] Todo: [09:22] * Bug review [09:22] oops, one liner change to that [09:22] * edgy kernel is about ready. Few more regressions to look at. Maybe have a few patches by tomorrow, but nothing that will cause an ABI change. [09:22] BenC: uh, tomorrow? Freeze is today, can you get it in today? [09:22] BenC: are the regressions targeted? [09:23] yes [09:23] BenC: or is it your tomorrow which is thursday? [09:23] tomorrow == today for you guys :) [09:23] ok, thanks [09:23] Thursday [09:23] hurrah for timezones [09:23] BenC: thanks for the intel review, have a conference call tomorrow with them to confirm everything [09:24] seb128: next [09:24] let me know if you need any more info on kernel support [09:24] Done: [09:24] - GNOME 2.16.1 [09:24] - beta CD testing [09:24] - fixed desktop bugs, a bunch with edgy milestone [09:24] - bug triage [09:24] To do: [09:24] will do [09:24] - bugs marathon, backlog jumped from 220 to 340 in a week [09:24] - keep fixing bugs for edgy [09:24] seb128: how big is your targeted bug list? anything which should worry us? [09:25] edgy bugs list is fairly small (13 desktop-bugs milestoned for edgy atm) [09:25] no real blocker [09:25] 3-4 bugs I really want to have a look at [09:25] other are bonus [09:25] seb128: you have a lead on that gnome-settings-daemon issue? [09:25] it's gst_init failing sometime, I've started to try figuring why [09:25] I want to look at it today [09:26] ok, thanks [09:26] dholbach: next [09:26] Done (since last meeting) [09:26] * gnome 2.16.1 [09:26] [* celebrated germany's union] [09:26] * bug triage [09:26] * telepathy packaging [09:26] * artwork packaging ({blubuntu,peace,tropic}-look) [09:26] * motu-uvf [09:26] * motu reviews [09:26] * apt-get.org reviews [09:26] To do [09:26] * BUG TRIAGE, BUG FIXING [09:26] * look into Debian fixes [09:26] * a11y team meeting [09:26] * more motu-uvf [09:26] * more apt-get.org reviews (didn't manage as much over the WE as I'd liked) [09:26] dholbach: is artwork up to date with the latest from the art team now? [09:27] I'll upload tropic after the meeting [09:27] but after that, that's all I have [09:27] we might add some emblems to human-icon-theme, but fschoep knows more about that [09:27] Indeed [09:27] dholbach: ok, thanks [09:27] (nothing grave at any rate) [09:27] Keybuk: next [09:28] Done: [09:28] * CD/Upgrade testing [09:28] * sysvinit: mount /proc/bus/usb again for release, using an awesome recursive bind-mount hack [09:28] * upstart: fixed bug of calling shutdown from runlevel 0 or 6 [09:28] * first cut at making nvidia/fglrx only load if needed, infinity working on improvement for nvigia-legacy [09:28] * cleaned up anastacia [09:29] ToDo: [09:29] * inittab migration [09:29] * update readahead lists [09:29] Keybuk: _very solid and obviously correct_ awesome recursive bind-mount hack I hope [09:29] mdz_: totally bogus, scary, freaky [09:29] but works [09:30] Keybuk: I feel so much better now [09:30] . o O { We're all going to die... } [09:30] /proc/bus/usb is a recursive bind-mount of /dev/bus/usb [09:30] with usbfs mounted with restrictive permissions at /dev/bus/usb/.usbfs [09:30] Keybuk: any remaining upstart issues to fix for final? [09:30] and a devices symlink in there [09:30] mdz_: just the inittab migration [09:31] Keybuk: how scary? [09:31] which bit? [09:31] inittab migration [09:32] it's vaguely annoying, because inittab isn't a very well-specified config file [09:32] will have to look for "common patterns" (like commenting out something with getty in its command) rather than actual changes [09:32] Keybuk: you are full of good news today [09:32] mdz_: I want you to sleep well tonight ;) [09:32] sleep?! [09:32] heh [09:32] :) [09:32] that's why I threw in the shiny anastacia emptyness [09:33] to make you feel better [09:33] Keybuk: satisfied with the archive checklist having put it into practice? [09:33] mdz_: needs adjusting to better deal with NBS I think [09:33] Keybuk: how so? [09:34] to find them, check them, arrange for rebuilds if necessary [09:34] ok, by all means ;-) [09:34] Keybuk: thanks [09:34] mvo: next [09:34] also a note that you can't ever satisfy jessica [09:34] Did: [09:34] - Beta release testing/bugfixing [09:34] - Lot of bug triage (beta brought in lots of reports) [09:34] - dist-upgrader work (edgyQuirks code that will ensure proper python2.4-foo -> python-foo transition and deal with hpijs, fixes, revert support for backports, we will get this in edgy+1) [09:34] - g-a-i desktop files updated, added desktop-files from CommonCustomization [09:34] - prepared notifications about non-free drivers (update-notifier url support) [09:34] - desktopsecure dapper-commercial update [09:34] - backported gtkhtml to breezy g-a-i because ff1.5 update broke pymozembed [09:34] - python-apt work (memleak fixed + nasty crashes due to python2.5 C-API changes) [09:34] - apt fixes in the i18n code and made the pkgTagFile buffer more dynamic [09:34] - apt and recent g++ trouble with #pragma debugged with doko (http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=29289) [09:34] gcc.gnu.org bug 29289 in c++ "[4.1/4.2] additionally weak symbols referenced/generated" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:34] - upgrade testing [09:34] - various fixes uploaded [09:35] Will do: [09:35] - more bugtriage/testing/fixes [09:35] - fix synaptic performance regression (#63171) [09:35] - fix language-selector problem when new fontconfig fragments are added (#62869) [09:35] - investigate popcon bug #64122, need access to the apache logs [09:35] Malone bug 64122 in popularity-contest "Duplicated HOSTID in popcon" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64122 [09:35] - user notification for non-free drivers(?) [09:35] Keybuk: *inappropriate comment suppressed* [09:35] - look into non-free icons issue of app-install-data (#61076) [09:35] mvo: is the dist-upgrader in shape for RC/final? [09:35] mdz_: yes. we only get bugs about failing postinst etc now [09:36] mvo: in main? [09:36] are those filed and targeted? [09:36] and there is a common upgrade issue for people who have installed unofficial compoiz packages [09:36] urg urg urg :-( [09:36] mdz_: yes, I usually reassign those. mostly caused by customization in some way [09:37] mvo: you have an RT ticket open for the logs? [09:37] no, doing that now [09:37] ok, thanks [09:37] keescook: next [09:37] Done: [09:37] * new hire checklist, system access, etc [09:37] * Beta testing [09:37] * build environment creation [09:37] * security reviews: keeping "unchecked" CVE list short [09:37] * security updates created and released: gdb/all, ffmpeg/dapper,breezy,hoary, xine-lib/dapper,breezy,hoary, kino/hoary [09:37] * security updates built: bind9, python2.[34] === Kamion [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:37] * security investigated for: libmusicbrainz, libksba [09:37] * bug triage [09:37] * minor apport debugging/improvement, patches incorporated by pitti [09:37] damnit, sorry, totally forgot ... [09:37] To do: [09:37] * security updates pending with pitti: bind9 [09:37] * security updates with build trouble: python2.[34] [09:37] * security updates for: libmusicbrainz, libksba, awstats [09:37] * stricter build environment (sbuild+schroot+lvm snapshots) [09:38] keescook: build trouble -> related to the update or something else? [09:38] mdz_: related to the 'spethial' packaging of python [09:38] it's related to build system changes, I'm assuming. doko and pitti have a fuller understanding. [09:38] and to some kernel weirdness in the test suite [09:38] nnrrgghhh [09:39] mdz_, pitti: no failure of a test (just on the buildd's) [09:39] it's been tracked down, and the first pass at the hoary updates finished okay. [09:39] (eternal hang in a test that didn't happen in final) [09:39] ok [09:39] keescook: are you now able to process updates/advisories end-to-end? [09:39] nope, still going through pitti at the moment. [09:39] the vendor-sec objection period finished today, I filed an RT for security@u.c. alias [09:40] I'll also file an RT for jackass access [09:40] keescook: as you should be, but you have all the necessary privileges now, yes? [09:40] but we need to make kees an ubuntu-core-dev for full access, and that needs to go through the official process [09:40] or waiting on sysadmin? [09:40] ah [09:40] what pitti said. :) [09:40] pitti: you'll guide kees through the core-dev process? [09:40] mdz_: of course [09:40] ok [09:40] thanks keescook [09:40] already at it [09:40] Riddell: next [09:40] done: beta release, went very well. KDE conference, lots of Kubuntu love. [09:40] bug fixing [09:40] KDE 3.5.5 packaging, Qt 4.2 packaging [09:40] keescook: the TB accepts bribes [09:41] unblocked: ruby, thanks BenC [09:41] todo: finish KDE 3.5.5, Qt 4.2. KOffice 1.6 also out this week. UVF exception requests to come [09:41] Keybuk: I must perfect my beer-over-IRC system. [09:41] Riddell: time is very short for major new upstreams at this point; are there high-priority fixes in there? === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:42] mdz_: qt 4.2 has some important stuff like not duplicating packages and giving us back qt4 dbus [09:43] Riddell: please be thorough with your rationales [09:43] nothing vital in kde and koffice, but still plenty of nice fixes [09:43] yep [09:43] Riddell: targeted bugs for Kubuntu? [09:44] mdz_: I'll do some malone targetting today, but making sure accessibility and oem-config work will be there [09:44] also if anyone want to fix libnss-mdns to touch nss.switch that would be great [09:44] Riddell: ok, please make sure those bugs are targeted by the end of the week [09:44] we need to know where we stand [09:44] Riddell: thanks [09:45] kwwii_: next [09:45] The last weeks I did: [09:45] completely new powermanager icons [09:45] final tweaks on usplash pic, tested on lots of machines - seems to work and look fine. [09:45] windeco button tweaks [09:45] kdm and kslpash pics and config to fix bug and center the logo (fixed https://launchpad.net/bugs/40821) [09:45] Malone bug 40821 in kdebase "login dialog font is huge on 147 DPI screen" [Low,Fix released] [09:45] played a bit and finally gave up on the about/help/app-start pages [09:45] next week I plan to do: [09:45] kwwii_: is the artwork now final? [09:45] kmenu side image [09:45] kubuntu branded kmenu icon [09:45] web page images [09:45] polishing anything left [09:45] create a wiki page with all final artwork, screens, etc. [09:46] mdz_: very close to it, yes...just polishing left [09:46] kwwii_: let's make RC freeze the hard deadline, including polishing [09:46] doable? [09:46] hrm, we could come close [09:47] kwwii_: we need it finalized; no last-minute changes this time around [09:47] we are not missing anything major anyway...so whatever gets left out is not such a big deal [09:47] ok [09:47] kwwii_: thanks [09:48] fschoep: next [09:48] Done: [09:48] * community-artwork: conference call with jmak and sabdfl, follow-up tomorrow, wrote down final directions [09:48] * firefox-themes-ubuntu: fix bugs, Ian uploaded new package [09:48] * art-mailing-list: fix ML moderation, we now have an active team for it again [09:48] * theme-teams: did my best to package their work, Daniel is doing the final touches [09:48] * fixing bugs [09:48] * updating specifications and bugs [09:48] Ongoing: [09:48] * usplash-artwork: work with Seveas and msikma to get a new design in [09:48] * sound-themes: got in touch with cbx33, working on shorter sounds [09:48] * community-artwork: creating final designs to sabdfl's liking [09:48] * ubuntu-art-polish-human-icons: iterate with Dave on polishing icons, integrating some community crafted icons [09:48] fschoep: likewise, make artwork freeze your drop-dead date [09:48] er, RC freeze [09:48] mdz_: I'll do my best and communicate that plan to sabdfl tomorrow [09:48] fschoep: any deliverables from the artwork call for final? [09:49] mdz_: I'm not sure if I get that question, can you rephrase it? [09:49] fschoep: were there any issues raised during the conference call which must be addressed for final? [09:50] mdz_: yes [09:50] it sounds like there were, but we need a list [09:50] mdz_: the only issue was that the artwork sucks so to speak [09:50] please file bugs for each of them and target them to ubuntu-6.10 so that tfheen sees them [09:50] mdz_: so we worked this week on solving it [09:50] fschoep: I am not amused [09:50] mdz_: it wasn't funny [09:51] mdz_: so I'll file bugs for the GDM and wallpaper then? [09:51] fschoep: anything which is needed for final [09:51] and it needs to be complete by RC freeze [09:51] barring extraordinary circumstances [09:51] mdz_: right, I'll do that [09:52] fschoep: ok, thanks [09:52] Kamion: next [09:52] Done: [09:52] misc: Edgy beta release. Lots of archive admin. openssh security fix. germinate fix to stop it wanting to promote type-handling to main. Renamed "server" to "command-line" install on the alternate CDs. [09:52] sane-installer-keyboard: Extra bits of integration missed earlier, done for beta. Keyboard variant selector in ubiquity. Other minor fixes. [09:52] ubiquity: Fixed to prevent selection of reserved usernames. Now catches file copying errors and displays a more helpful error message, which should cut down the incoming bug flow a lot. [09:52] no-more-devfs: kickseed fix for partition selection required by device name changes. [09:52] To do: [09:52] usplash: tasksel enhancements to fix resolution detection on fresh d-i installs still needed. [09:52] ubiquity: Still need to at least analyse gtk-mainloop-crash and invalid-literal-for-int crashes; may be able to at least work around these. Two other major bugs remaining for final (dodgy country selection and broken manual partitioning summary). [09:52] misc: Fix system-config-kickstart, which is broken at the moment and needs a bit of an overhaul. [09:52] (I'm going to give the usplash stuff priority) [09:52] Kamion: are those important-sounding todo items recorded as targeted bugs? [09:53] yes, except for those two crashes because I haven't decided on those yet [09:53] ok [09:53] have you had a look over the process docs? [09:53] briefly, but not yet extensively I'm afraid [09:53] ok, best to do it in the throes for the best chance of catching omissions [09:53] I've todoed that for myself [09:54] yeah [09:54] Kamion: how is OEM mode looking? [09:54] well, it works now, which is better than beta [09:54] still not that pretty, I'm wondering if it's worth fixing up the session startup [09:54] I haven't had a look at it lately, but feel free to email me with details if you need opinions [09:55] (for the curious, the bug was that importing the oem-config frontend to find out which one to use caused gtk to be imported which caused it to try to talk to the X server before we'd started it) [09:55] Kamion: thanks [09:55] anything else outstanding? [09:55] mdz_: i have an update as well [09:55] sivang: go [09:55] hubackup: [09:55] - backup stage uses the new GUI designed in UDS Paris, including usability improvements and media detection fixes. [09:55] I wrote the above hastily, but I think it's complete for me [09:55] - Working to have a version to to upload early as edgy+1 opens. [09:55] system clean up tool: [09:55] - KleanSweap's author now working with me (was excited about me approaching him for Ubuntu). He already produced a perliminary version of a python back end, which we will work to bug fix, and I'm intending to use for a PyGTK gui. for Kubuntu will use KleanSweap's GUI itself, or we might come up with easier GUI for the simple user, if that is desired. [09:55] - Old kernel removals are still pending discussion and guidance. [09:56] DB2: [09:56] - Finally discovered the culprit for DB2 connection problems on canonical testing hosts. [09:56] - Now awaiting minor setup needed on testing hosts. Kurt von Fink forwarded an request email from me to right places, hopefully this will get sorted quick in order to finish. [09:56] sivang: you can CC me and kernel-team for input on kernel removal if you need it [09:56] mdz_: sure thing, will do [09:56] that is surely all edgy+1 work now though [09:56] indeed [09:56] sivang: ok, thanks [09:56] last call for other business [09:56] ? [09:56] forgot me ? [09:56] ogra: oh, you're here now [09:56] * last-week: [09:56] - beta release [09:56] - new gnome screensaver and powermanager packages [09:56] - fixed some edubuntu-artwork bugs [09:56] - identified remaining installer bugs (hardcoded hostname setting, translation regression in german) [09:57] - identified remaining minor ltsp bugs (#62036 and missing "DO_NOT_SWITCH_VT" in ldm) [09:57] - had to handle a huge mail bashing flood resulting from http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/27154.html [09:57] * next week: [09:57] - fix the remaining installer and ltsp bugs [09:57] ogra: i pinged several times [09:57] - go over screensaver and powermanager bugs, fix the non intrusively fixable ones [09:57] - fix 640x480 usplash picture (was interim for beta, new scaled down pic there, not packaged yet) [09:57] - fix a minor student-control-panel bug with pessulus [09:57] - prepare for RC [09:57] ----------- [09:57] * sidenotes [09:57] - we're now allowed to call our ltsp the ltsp 5.0pre version :) [09:57] - lots and lots of thanks to the bug squad for sorting all the screensaver duplicates ! [09:57] - beta feedback for edubuntu was very positive, all automation seems to work as planned now [09:57] i was here the whole meeting :) [09:57] i answered UTC 7:00 in #canonical [09:57] ogra: are you still planning a sysvinit upload, or should I? [09:57] oh, err, 7:15 [09:58] Keybuk, will do it today, its so small :) [09:58] I would appreciate opionions for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/61076 <- we say in http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components that some non-modifiable bits in main are ok (like fonts) [09:58] ogra: edubuntu bugs targeted for final? [09:58] Malone bug 61076 in gnome-app-install "app-install-data contains non-free icons from multiverse, app-install-data-commercial contains even more unfree stuff" [High,Confirmed] [09:58] ogra: it's what you do with it, that counts === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.4.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:58] mvo: ->ubuntu-devel@ I'd say === mvo appologizes for posting before ogra has finished [09:58] mdz_, yes, but not all filed ... most are one liner fixes ... got them on my whiteboard [09:58] mdz_: ok [09:59] ogra: please get them in launchpad today [09:59] ogra: did you get round to going back through the IRC logs to find out why we hardcoded the hostname in the first place? [09:59] mdz_, even if i fix them today ? [09:59] because I know you must have given me a good enough reason for that - it wasn't something I was keen on [09:59] Kamion, not yet, that one i'll file [10:00] mvo: are they non-free in the sense that they forbid redistribution or modification of the icon [10:00] ogra: doesn't matter, so long as at the end of the day all of the major issues are targeted [10:00] ok [10:00] or are they just non-free because "the icon lacks source code" [10:00] ogra: thanks [10:00] right on time [10:00] adjourned, thanks everyone [10:00] :) [10:01] thanks everyone === mvo goes to get some breakfirst [10:01] thanks all [10:01] thanks [10:01] thanks! I'm off to bed. :) === sivang follows mvo to the breakfast stand. === ogra goes to try to wake up now === keescook [n=kees@mylar.outflux.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Bye"] [10:02] mdz_: I'm probably overlooking it, but how do I target a milestone for a bug in Launchpad? [10:02] fschoep: edit the bug, choose milestone === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-3-114.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:02] mvo: no, it was meetingfirst, now is breaknext :p [10:02] just like you'd do if you were marking it as fixed or whatever [10:02] seb128: haha [10:02] you might not be to the right team to have milestone right === seb128 hugs mvo [10:03] seb128: possibly [10:03] I have seen bugs having the property but I can't set it myself it seems [10:03] There's just no such option anywhere on my bugs === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [""] [10:04] seb128: do you know someone who could elevate my privileges? [10:04] mdz [10:04] I'm not sure there is some fine granularity atm for it though [10:04] fschoep: I'll add you to ubuntu-qa [10:04] dholbach: qa can't set milestone, can they? [10:04] dholbach: if that solves the problem, great [10:05] seb128: not entirely sure [10:06] dholbach: I think they are not [10:06] fschoep: added you - try again === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:06] dholbach: it seems to work, thanks! Should I now use the 6.10 milestone (not beta)? 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#ubuntu-meeting === Linuturk [n=Linuturk@12.11.93.98] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:02] time for the meeting I think... [11:02] yo === Kubu [n=higi@18.Red-213-97-49.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:02] I'm there, lagging because wengophone build, but there :) [11:03] agenda at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [11:03] who's all here? [11:03] me === seaLne [n=seaLne@ubuntu/member/sealne] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:03] pfff, 3 people... [11:03] hi === Lure is Luka Renko === allee is Achim Bohnet === fdoving is Frode M. Doeving. (leaving in 10mins or so). === Tonio_ is Anthony Mercatante === seaLne is Kenny Duffus === kwwii is Kenneth Wimer [11:05] ah, allee makes quorum for kubuntu council :) [11:05] heh [11:05] anyone here for kubuntu membership? [11:06] groovy [11:06] Tonio_: your item [11:06] okay [11:06] so we currently ship 2 apps than can make usage of kipi-plugins [11:06] I was wondering if there is any reason we don't currently ship those plugins by default [11:06] begs the question if we should be doing so [11:07] that's my idea yes [11:07] seems like a good idea to me === toma_ [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:07] hi Tonio_ [11:07] err, toma [11:07] Tonio_: well it's yet another package to add to the CDs [11:07] Riddell: indeed... [11:07] kipi-plugins are _very_ useful and has lots of bugs ;) [11:07] Riddell: hi, i missed the date, sorry im late [11:07] most kde graphic apps can use them [11:07] allee: what sort of bugs? [11:08] allee: exactly, but toma may have more to say [11:08] Tonio_: only extragear apps [11:08] Riddell: bugs asking that we ship it :) [11:08] Lure: can you fill me in? [11:08] Riddell: yes, like those we currently ship (plus showimg and others) [11:08] Riddell: no grave bugs. Just little usability bugs here and there. [11:08] toma: we are discussing if we include kipi-plugins by default === Hawkwind Has arrived [11:08] it comes down to do we want kipi-plugins or do we want another language pack [11:09] any idea how large kipi-plugins is? [11:09] AFAIK most are now fixed. Nevetheless they are useful [11:09] erk, 7772kB [11:09] Riddell: which language pack? [11:09] Riddell: heh, that's the problem :) [11:10] toma: dunno, whichever is at the bottom of the list when we fill up the CDs with language packs [11:10] the daily CDs have no language packs just now, I'll fill it up closer to RC time [11:10] Riddell: which kipi apps are shipped by default? [11:10] in my opinion 7MB is too much to lose [11:10] gwenview and digikam [11:10] Riddell: how much space do we have ? [11:11] I know that the problem is on amd64 cd right ? [11:11] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20061005/ [11:11] Riddell: did't we just got 17MB from OOo back? ;-) [11:11] 13MB on i386 [11:11] i think kipi brings the fun to digikam and gwenview, so i think it is important [11:11] for the user experience [11:11] toma: +1 [11:12] well the size on the cd becomes a real issue, so maybe we need to discuss and find a solution to that problem... === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D897E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:12] how can we free space ? [11:12] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20061005/ 6MB on ppc [11:12] Riddell: ~ 5 MB are documentation. biggest lang in it is 1.6 MB [11:12] we could split doc [11:12] allee: you are fast [11:12] allee: so we coud split out docs from kipi-plugins and only have about 2MB? [11:13] Riddell: would not surprise me [11:13] Riddell: same doc author as digikam ;-) [11:13] sound like a plan [11:13] any volunteers to do that? [11:13] whats the deadline? [11:13] toot sweet! [11:13] Riddell: I can [11:14] Why aren't the docs splitted out during build in kubuntu? Is this only done for messages? [11:14] Riddell: if you are okay on the plan, I'll split out the docs tomorrow [11:14] allee: it's only done for messages so far, main kde modules put their translations into kde-i18n-xx [11:14] Tonio_: ok, lets do that [11:15] Will this be accepted by ftp-master? AFAIK, debian ftp-master reject such - splits [11:15] if we say it's needed to get it on the CD that'll be fine [11:15] Riddell: but talking about space on the cd, I really think switching in one or two releases to koffice could free LOTS of space...., but that's not the subject today [11:15] Tonio_: that's a separate issue :) [11:16] allee: split doc and doc translations, not split all languages seperate... [11:16] Riddell: hehe, yes, but that'll have to be discussed also ;) [11:16] ok, moving on? === pcniatic [n=mauro@pc-83-103-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:16] yes [11:16] kwwii: your item [11:16] Tonio_: so kipi-plugins and kupi-plugins-doc? [11:16] ok....I wanted to discuss what we think still needs to be done to complete the theme for 6.10..it is now or never :-) [11:16] allee: exactly [11:16] kmenu side image! [11:16] I thought about adding a kmenu icon that is kubuntu branded, ideas? === j_ack__ [n=rudi@p508D8347.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:17] Tonio_: then see KubuntuKDEExtras wiki page and feel invited : [11:17] +) [11:17] Riddell: whether or not we use a kubuntu menu icon affects the kmenu image [11:17] personally i like the K [11:17] in general I'm against a kmenu icon, but I'd be interested to see the ideas [11:17] kwwii: I am all for it [11:17] allee: will do [11:17] I like kubuntu to keep KDE branding [11:17] Riddell: yes, me too [11:17] ok, so nothing sticks out in peoples mind as "why the hell didn't he make that pic!"? [11:18] kwwii: got ideas for an announcement image? [11:18] kwwii: I prefer the standard k menu. We should not do branding everywhere so KDE does not look like KDE as in other distros [11:18] .. [11:18] I know my chest was pretty sexy for the beta, but we'll need another idea for the final [11:18] Riddell: that is the second point, kinda [11:18] late fella's sorry [11:18] what do we want to do with the website? [11:19] do we want to go back to something simple, more like ubuntu? or keep up the 3d image thing === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:19] kwwii: which 3d image? [11:19] kwwii: can we make logout dialog more kubuntu-ish [11:19] Riddell: I will work on something === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB5FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fdoving likes simple. [11:19] Riddell: the old "new" logo [11:19] Riddell: as compared to the new, new logo (the one printed on the banners at akademy) [11:20] freeflying: too late for that in edgy I think, but I'd love to see patches for edgy+1 [11:20] freeflying: good suggestion!!! [11:20] i don't think the logo on the webpage quite fits with the rest of it [11:20] kwwii: new new logo is nice [11:20] Riddell: or should we use a simple gradient with the simple 2d logo on it? [11:20] kwwii: well you're the artist :) but I like the new new logo as you say [11:21] ok, I'll work on two versions and we can see what people think [11:21] whoa no +1 on the kmenu logo "becouse everyone else does it" ?!? [11:21] imbrandon_: no +1 == -1 ? [11:21] kwwii: do you have the bzr source of the kubuntu-website? [11:21] kwwii: desktop and web/wiki style matching is a nice thing IMHO [11:21] yea [11:21] I could put part of a half transparent logo at the bottom right of the wallpaper, but I think it would ruin the balance [11:22] Riddell: no, I will have to ask you later for the different bzr sources (k-d-s as well) [11:22] would also look weird for multi head [11:22] yea that would not be good [11:23] seaLne: very good point [11:23] so kmenu side image, maybe kmenu icon, announce image (and RC image?) and website headers [11:23] and I need to package guidance to get the new guidance power manager icons === orkid__ [n=mike@74.13.29.143] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:24] Riddell: hehe, I might just update them as well...when would you do that? [11:24] kwwii: whenever I get a few minutes [11:24] I have a really good idea, but I need to take time and try to draw it [11:24] well, we can live with the current ones === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:24] I guess people like them better than the colored versions? [11:24] kwwii, Riddell: I'll have time for this tomorrow too [11:25] Riddell: I can build guidance tomorrow [11:25] Tonio_: cool, it's fiddly I'll talk to you about it later [11:25] Tonio_: are you full time working on kubuntu now? [11:25] kwwii: they are better than old one, I just think black is just to dark (and Oxygen like) [11:25] toma: I don't have any job at the moment, so yes, I have a lot of free time :) [11:25] ;lk;' [11:25] Lure: as they are the current oxygen icons, that is good :-) [11:25] Tonio_: okay [11:26] hnb9 [11:26] toma: but no I don't get paid for that :) [11:26] Tonio_: oh, that was not my question ;-) [11:26] toma: haha [11:26] Tonio_: I'll bring you some irn-bru in the US [11:26] any other artwork issues? [11:26] nope [11:27] it's all great in general [11:27] no - kwwii just rocks! [11:27] ;-) [11:27] and sabdfl likes it too, which is the important thing :) [11:27] yes, kwwii's work kickass, really :) [11:27] thanks guys === allee nods [11:27] yup i'm with Riddell , rockin [11:27] kwwii: yes, i was surprised with the beautifull artwork as well when I upgraded... [11:28] kwwii: btw, do we now set colorize for panel? [11:28] ... after his purple preference decreased ;) [11:28] JJesse comments that we'll need to update the documentation stylesheets if we change the website but that's not the case unless I'm missing something [11:28] I hope that my work is a step in the right direction and that it helps in the future to make kubuntu even better [11:28] we still use the KDE stylesheets for our docs [11:28] Lure: I think we should [11:28] kwwii: this is k-d-s stuff, so probably Tonio_ can fix it [11:29] so, we're at the end of the agenda [11:29] Riddell: there's a css issue that the kde folks still haven't fixed, if that's what you mean [11:29] Tonio_: can you change k-d-s to set "Colorize to match the desktop color scheme" in panel settings? [11:30] trappist: what's that? [11:30] Lure: I'll have a look [11:30] Riddell: many of the links in the html docs are unclickable in firefox [11:30] hmm, that's not good [11:30] Riddell: we've got a patch for ours, and I've sent it to kde-docs, but they haven't applied [11:30] it's a very small and easy patch though [11:30] Tonio_: thanks [11:30] trappist: send that to me please [11:31] can do [11:31] trappist: maybe we can include it waiting for kde to do the same [11:31] any other business? [11:32] Riddell: koffice ? [11:32] not from me === Tonio_ runs away, fast !!!!!! [11:32] # [11:32] Riddell: joking of course [11:32] im [11:32] excuse me [11:32] Riddell: when I got accross bug 57831, I was thunking how we can improve that such patches are not forgotten [11:32] Malone bug 57831 in kdeadmin "KDE Network Settings docs broken" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/57831 [11:32] -0 [11:33] Riddell: I would like to discuss about _sime's patches to kde [11:33] they are nice, but still have a binch of issues... [11:33] maybe Kubuntu Patches team or something like that [11:33] Riddell: RC will be there soon, so maybe we should make a point with sime on that point [11:33] Lure: the easiest way is to subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors if there is a patch [11:33] Lure: if you see a patch that seems easy to apply poke anyone in core-dev [11:33] then bug team could assign them and core dev's/MOTU could pick them up [11:33] Lure: why not upstream [11:33] or ubuntu-dev has applies [11:33] Riddell: do we include them now or do we wait for edgy+1, so that they become mature and bugfree [11:34] oups, sorry... I lag a lot [11:34] Tonio_: do we have a list of remaining issues? [11:34] Lure: if the patch is confirmed ok, I'll move it into kde straight away [11:34] Riddell: most of them are on the wikipage yes [11:34] floppies don't work, but they never did [11:35] toma: true [11:35] Tonio_: i say we keep them and work on the issues === Lure do not dare to commit such stuff to kde svn yet (only powermanager) ;-) [11:35] I agree with imbrandon_ [11:35] i have a comment about the automounting of cds, there is no obvious way to unmount now only eject which isn't very usefull with k3b [11:35] it has gotchas but we knew that would happen going in, and the old ways are just as broken [11:36] Lure: i'll have a look and get back to you [11:36] Riddell: sent [11:36] I agree too, but those issues are becoming emergencies [11:36] seaLne: +1 - just got this issue today when I wanted to overwrite by CDRW [11:36] if you want to reuse a cdrw i haven't found a way other than to umount /media/cdrom0 [11:36] yep [11:36] seaLne: thats known and one of the issues covered in the latest patch ( not applied yet ) === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:36] what is the solution? [11:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDEMedia if you find issues, maybe interesting to add them here === allee does not like automouting at all, sigh [11:38] Tonio_: did you forget to say "if jdong touches that page again, Simon will come after him with a shotgun"? :D [11:38] jdong: lol :) [11:38] in the whole kde shouldn't do anything if you insert a writable cd or dvd when k3b is running [11:39] Riddell: +1 [11:39] and if k3b isn't running it should have an option to start it [11:39] well, when it asks for a CD, it would nice if it simly started when it found one [11:40] wait, what does it do right now if you put in a blank CD? [11:40] Riddell: second part isn't that hard to do [11:40] s/simly/simply [11:40] does it try to automount a blank disc? [11:40] Riddell: first part looks like....... hard to patch [11:40] jdong: yeah and most of the time fails (good) [11:40] jdong: not, but it does mount already written cdrw (that I may want to overwrite) [11:40] i use cdrws all the time [11:41] interestingly talking to media ioslave man ervin at akademy he said he isn't going to use this in kde 4 nor will he use kioslaves again, he'll make it just do sensible stuff behind the scenes and have the file manager display sensible things [11:41] which probably isn't expressing his ideas very well [11:41] problem is I was used to click cancel and not selecting k3b [11:41] Riddell: no not really :) [11:41] Riddell: sensible to the context then ? [11:42] Riddell: thats GREAT news [11:42] Riddell: what is the status of kde 3.5.5 for edgy? [11:43] Lure: works for me === jdong also doesn't really appreciate the whole automounting thing [11:43] I'll ask for an UVE exception tomorrow [11:43] Riddell: is kdesu already fixed? [11:43] Lure: yes [11:43] Lure: yes (but you need to delete your cache and --reinstall) [11:44] especially for my dvd+rw's which only have so many mounts before they are toast [11:44] but there's no guarantee we'll get the UVF exception [11:44] I'll ask for qt 4.2 too [11:44] and indeed koffice 1.6 later this week [11:44] jdong: dvd+rw that only has so many mounts ? i think you mean writes [11:44] Riddell: does 3.5.5 show any signs of fixing that unmount problem? [11:44] imbrandon_: dvd+rw's with rewritable UDF filesystems [11:45] imbrandon_: those only have 1000 mounts before the superblock dies [11:45] jdong: not sure, I don't have any media to hand [11:45] jdong: but sime said he was looking at it today [11:45] k === jdong _really_ cares about that bug [11:45] does that affect all? [11:46] seaLne: does what affect all? [11:46] mount limit on dvd+rw [11:46] Riddell: not sure about koffice 1.6. kspread 1.5.0 was a pain. With 1.6.1 I would have no problem ;) [11:46] thats kinda silly to make a UDF file system on a limited media for important stuff imho but to each their own [11:46] seaLne: if you format it with a read-write filesystem , yes [11:46] ah so different from treating it like a cdrw? [11:47] seaLne: yea [11:47] allee: koffice 1.6 is primarily krita update [11:47] imbrandon_: it's not silly. I control and keep track of how much I've used the medium, deciding whether to mount ro or rw [11:47] allee: I think koffice 1.6 is not much changed, they're mostly working on koffice 2 [11:47] Riddell: is 80 MB wengophone deb to big to feet on the cd anyday ? ^_^ [11:47] seaLne: right. dvd+rw's can be used as regular block devices === allee relaxes [11:47] Tonio_: err, yes :) [11:47] Tonio_: 80 MB!?! [11:47] Tonio_: you packaged windows binary? ;-) [11:47] seaLne: OT, but I really don't recommend doing it. I'm daredevil so I do it :) [11:47] Riddell: I think there are useless files, but will probably not be less that 20 megs at least [11:48] Lure: wengophone is HUDGE, you cannot imagin [11:48] Tonio_: sounds like a dmg package for osx :) [11:49] ok , what about spec's , when does the edgy+1 spec drive start >? any kubuntu ones we should be working on ? [11:49] imbrandon_: once edgy is out [11:49] imbrandon_: but I'm open to any ideas [11:49] kk [11:49] imbrandon_: and obviously since you're coming you can register and drive them yourself [11:49] no ideas just yet, well some very gerneral ones but yea hehe [11:49] ;) [11:50] ok so for now we should all be in 110% bug mode, correct ? [11:51] so anyone with ideas please tell me or anyone else going to the conference [11:51] yes, death to bugs! [11:51] what about a script for text install on the shippit cd's ? for those that have trubble with the graphic install? (hope that wasn't out of line) [11:52] intelikey: far too late for the in edgy, but as a spec for edgy+1 sounds interesting [11:52] Riddell: debian will disable disconnected imap in kmail for etch, are there similar plans here? [11:52] toma: +1, its buggy as hell, i can attest to that [11:52] toma: hmm, we had a patch for that, but I guess debian has that too [11:53] i found out that was what was causing kmail to segfault ever few minutes for me [11:53] just got here, sorry, is it too late to add something to the agenda? (kicker locked by default) [11:53] imbrandon: 3.5.5 contains fixes for that [11:53] toma: great [11:53] lk-0io [11:54] Riddell: ? [11:54] Riddell: do you keep falling asleep on your kbd? :) [11:54] we'll see if they are good enough [11:54] cat ? hehe [11:54] blame the cat for random characters [11:54] #;' [11:54] ahem [11:54] ryanakca: why lock the taskbar ? [11:54] lol === intelikey blames cat "cat /dev/random " :) [11:55] toma: I've not heard of any problems with dimap since I added that patch, but I don't know if that means anything [11:55] would be a shame not to have dimap [11:56] imbrandon_: so that the applet handles (the little bars that popup when you mouse over systray or taskbar, etc) disappear... we were talking about disabling them completly in #kubuntu-devel earlier, but that would mean that you can get to the configuration part of the applet [11:56] -[=o# [11:57] toma: I'll talk to danimo and other kdepim types to get an opinion on it [11:57] Riddell: 'rm -fr catonmylap' might help :P [11:57] handles are good, else you can't configure kicker [11:57] thats what i was thinking [11:57] Riddell: yeah, so just lock the pannel to hide them, and then right click the pannel, unlock it, and configure away [11:58] no remove them completly... [11:58] s/no/not [11:58] toma: disconnected IMAP works nicely for me === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:59] Lure: it works nicely for everyone until their inbox gets deleted [11:59] so just the same as "right click --> lock" only default [11:59] ? [11:59] Riddell: I use it heavily with my work inbox on Exchange (250 MB with several 1000s of emails) - no problems [11:59] yeah [11:59] Riddell: i think till has put in a real efford to fix it, there have been no reports of mail loss in the br at kde or debian === Lure is concerned now [12:00] ] pl[ [12:00] give him food [12:00] [12:00] she's a her [12:00] hehe [12:01] thats why i stay out of the casino [12:01] ryanakca: I sense the feeling of the meeting is that handles are good [12:02] well I need to go to bed, anything else? [12:02] Riddell: kk === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA578.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:02] not from me [12:02] ( as in anything else ) === imbrandon_ is sleepy too [12:03] thanks all [12:03] keep squishing beaties [12:03] ;) [12:03] :) [12:03] beasties [12:03] kbugs !?! ;) [12:03] lol === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] [12:04] ok gnight all [12:04] g'night imbrandon_, Riddell :) [12:05] if anyone has a good idea for a name of new mail application, let me know [12:05] toma: kk === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508DB790.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:05] kk? awfull name [12:05] toma: does it HAVE to have a 'K' in it? [12:05] NO [12:06] toma: kk = ok [12:06] ;-) === ryanakca gets tired of K's in app names [12:06] toma: why are you writing mail app? [12:06] ryanakca: the advantage is that you can find them easy [12:06] but at least it makes finding kde apps simple [12:06] lol [12:06] toma: for kde4? [12:06] no kde3 [12:07] bbl [12:07] Lure: i need some things kmail does not have at the moment [12:07] toma: then add them so I do not need to switch ;-) [12:07] Lure: the code of kmail is not easy to understand for me [12:08] toma: true - I was also hunting some bugs in code and it is fun... [12:08] Lure: see http://www.omat.nl/drupal/?q=node/98 [12:10] toma: deleted mails also bothers me...