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jdongdoes bug 63274's last comment indicate UVFe granted?12:14
UbugtuMalone bug 63274 in wine "UVF exception request wine 0.9.22" [High,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6327412:14
geserjdong: you need another vote (2 of 3)12:16
ajmitchit needs signed off by 2 people on the UVF team, who'll then set it to confirmed12:16
jdongoh, ok, thanks geser / ajmitch... I'm new to the procedure12:16
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YokoZar\sh_away: new bug on wine by me12:44
ajmitchYokoZar: the UVF request?12:48
YokoZarajmitch: no, actually, a real bug (missing build depends)12:49
LaserJockwhere is Fujitsu today?12:56
ajmitchasleep or busy12:57
ajmitchhi LaserJock :)12:57
LaserJockhi ajmitch12:58
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LaserJockwell, I was going to try to do some dapper-updates uploading12:59
LaserJockbut got sucked into MOTU Management ;-)12:59
zuloh you know you like it01:01
LaserJockI do01:02
LaserJockbut it takes time away01:02
LaserJockfrom other things01:02
zulthank god the week is nearly over01:02
zuli agree01:02
LaserJockzul: you going to be around for a little bit?01:22
zulLaserJock: ill be in and out there is a hockey game on tv01:23
LaserJockheh, ok01:24
LaserJockI'm working on a wiki page that I'd like a little MOTU feedback on01:24
LaserJockI'm waiting for ajmitch to get back01:24
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zulsure ill havea look hen its done01:24
zuldamn it i dont get that channel...yeah ill be around :)01:29
zulbut at 9 im gone...lost is one01:30
zuler..on even01:30
LaserJockcrimsun: I think I asked if we have a -updates policy for MOTU like StableReleaseUpdates01:30
crimsunLaserJock: not that I'm aware, but it would be in our best interest to mimick it01:31
LaserJockok, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/MotuManagement01:32
LaserJockI'd like to pick out specific problems/issues01:33
LaserJockI know there are some pretty general ones01:33
crimsun(attempting. My connection is horrible atm wrt jitter.)01:33
crimsunthe list looks good. Imo concentrating on prioritised tasks based on the development cycle [timetable]  would be most fruitful. Doing so would help resolve the policy documentation issue, and it would play nicely with a 'management infrastructure.'01:37
zuli think the motu school sessions and the recruiting goes hand in hand01:39
zulbut thats just me01:40
LaserJockI really need to split up the recruiting01:40
LaserJockas there are several issues there01:40
LaserJockI'm going to try to get as many specific problems/solutions as I can01:40
zulalso i think people might be intimitated by the steep learning curve01:40
LaserJockand then categorize and prioritize them01:40
zulotherwise looks good to me so far01:41
LaserJockany specific things you guys would like to add/subtract?01:41
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zulim not really for the focused teams bit01:42
LaserJockyeah, that's why I'm trying to put pros and cons01:42
LaserJockso we can look at the potential solutions01:42
LaserJockand se what we want to go for01:42
zuli think there might be too much for one manager maybe a commitee01:42
LaserJockI personally have liked having the MOTU Science01:43
crimsunI think teams are useful; we tend to gravitate toward team-based maintenance, but I concur teams aren't necessarily the most dire point(s).01:43
LaserJockbut I'd be really concerned about sort of splitting up of MOTU and what happens to packages that don't belong to a particular team01:43
LaserJockbottom line, I feel like teams should play a definate role in MOTU but they should grow naturally and not be forced01:44
zulwhatever happened to the mentoring?01:45
LaserJockinitially I got 3 or 401:45
LaserJockand then they dropped off01:45
LaserJockand I haven't gotten any since01:45
LaserJockI think we need to really figure out what we want to do there01:46
LaserJockwe didn't really push MOTU Mentoring01:46
LaserJockand perhaps I didn't do a very good job of it ;-)01:46
crimsunthe reservation I have concerning mentoring is that it tends to reinforce 'MOTU know everything'01:47
LaserJockI'm really struggling with that01:47
LaserJockjust because I'm a MOTU doesn't mean I know everything about package XYZ01:47
lophyteno, but you could definitely point a mentee in the right direction to find out info about package XYZ01:48
lophyteI'd assume anyway01:48
crimsunour MOTU pool is essentially the active forum folks01:48
LaserJocklophyte: but in that case, why have a Mentor when #ubuntu-motu or ubuntu-motu ML works for that01:49
crimsunif people will assist us in identifying those folks [who are actively creating their own packages] , we also make some headway into recruiting01:49
crimsunI think people have worked with quinn-storm, for instance01:50
LaserJockI find there are a lot of people that are mantaining 3rd party repos/packages01:50
lophyteubuntu-motu ML?01:51
LaserJockheh, sorry01:51
lophytetook me a sec to get the acronym :P01:51
LaserJockI'm not opposed to MOTU Mentors by any means01:51
lophyteI think having mentors are a good idea because then you have one person who gets to know you...01:51
LaserJockbut I think we need to look at various "building MOTUs" projects01:51
LaserJockand look at effectivness and efficiency01:52
lophyteI mean, if I use the channel and ML to point me in the right direction.. I might ask person A something today, and a week later ask person B.. and person B will have no idea about my previous experience01:52
lophytewhereas with mentors... the mentor knows what the mentee has done in terms of MOTU work01:52
LaserJockright, and they might also give you a different answer01:52
zulmaybe look at recruiting in the forums01:52
LaserJockI did a little of that with my MOTU School session01:53
LaserJockgot a few people to show up01:53
lophyteI personally like the idea of the teams as well01:53
lophyteI feel more motivated when I know there's others working with me on something.. like yesterday when a few of us said we wanted to tackle unmet deps together01:53
LaserJockbut to be honest. I don' think I've had a single MOTU Hopeful come out of my MOTU Mentoring or MOTU School sessions01:53
lophytewhat's the definition of hopeful, anyway?01:54
lophytelike, what differs a hopeful from someone who's interested in becoming a MOTU but doens't have any experience01:54
LaserJocksomebody who is working there way towards MOTUship01:54
LaserJocksome people really have no intention of becoming a MOTU01:54
LaserJockI  would call them contributors in general01:55
LaserJockHopefuls are saying, I want to seriously become a MOTU and am working in that direction01:55
lophyteI'd call myself a hopeful by a longshot, but a hopeful nonetheless01:55
lophyteI think you're right when you (or whoever it was) said that newcomers will be most confused when they join mid-release01:58
LaserJockso the question is, how effective is MOTU Mentors and MOTU School in producing MOTUs01:58
LaserJockthey are both pretty time intensive so if they aren't working we shouldn't be wasting effort01:59
lophyteno idea, actually01:59
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crimsunit might be more effective, actually, to consider podcasting school sessions02:01
lophytethat's a good idea02:01
lophyteand if there's any questions, people can contact whoever gave the session02:01
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ajmitchLaserJock: MOTU stuff requires a lot of practice, sadly02:02
bddebianHeya gang02:02
bddebianHeya ajmitch02:03
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LaserJockajmitch: maybe that's a key thing02:03
LaserJockmaybe we aren't giving people enough practice02:03
bddebianOr maybe they just don't have the drive? :)02:04
LaserJockpart of this push on REVU02:04
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LaserJockis that you aren't going to get much practice packaging NEW apps very fast02:04
LaserJockit's good practice02:05
LaserJockbut you don't get a whole lot of it02:05
LaserJockbddebian and ajmitch: please check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/MotuManagement02:06
LaserJockif you haven't already02:06
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ajmitchLaserJock: yes I just took a quick look02:08
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bddebianWow, go LaserJock02:09
minghuaLaserJock: I appreciate your work on this, for sure02:09
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LaserJockminghua: well, first the problems, then the solutions ;-)02:10
LaserJockif we had all the solutions we wouldn't have problems ;-)02:10
ajmitchLaserJock: biggest issue that crops up everywhere - time02:10
ajmitchLaserJock: don't we have you as our new motu manager now? ;)02:11
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LaserJockajmitch: yes, time is the biggest constraint really02:11
LaserJockhi Fujitsu02:11
FujitsuHi LaserJock.02:12
Fujitsumaxima works, yay.02:12
FujitsuI had a look at the gcl fixes since Dapper...02:12
FujitsuThey're absolutely enormous.02:12
crimsunI think lj found a missing if () or something02:12
LaserJockyeah, it was a missing "else"02:13
LaserJockI think02:13
zulwhat the hell is maxima02:13
FujitsuThat was a regression from Dapper, I believe.02:13
Fujitsuzul, a Computer Algebra System.02:13
FujitsuThe diff for -21 (I think that was the version of the socket error fix) doesn't apply to the Dapper version, that line of code was completely rewritten. The bug was introduced when that code was rewritten.02:14
LaserJockFujitsu: hmm, well I looked at that line and the only difference was a missing "else"02:14
FujitsuDapper has -14, right?02:15
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FujitsuWhat is with maxima? The .orig.tar.gz is 7.8MB, the diff.gz is like 14MB!02:16
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minghuasome autotools stuff, I suppose02:17
FujitsuI don't believe so02:17
LaserJockit's almost entirerly from a binutils dir02:18
FujitsuThe socket write error fix was -20 -> -21... A single line change, adding an else.02:18
FujitsuHowever, that line has been rewritten since -14.02:18
LaserJockhow so?02:18
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zulgrr...i should stop reading the forum02:19
FujitsuI'll be back in a sec, got to go to form assembly...02:20
LaserJockzul: oh no02:20
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LaserJockoh, I see it02:23
ajmitchLaserJock: pain & suffering02:24
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LaserJockso I wonder if putting gcl -21 into -updates would make archive-admin throw a fit02:24
ajmitchwhy would it?02:25
LaserJockit's a rather large diff02:25
LaserJockand we only want a small fix I think02:25
Fujitsu_LaserJock, it would make everybody collapse and die, I think.02:25
LaserJockI just don't see how we are going to seperate that out02:25
LaserJockfinding a fix for -14 that happened in -2102:26
Fujitsu_It's really non-trivial to locate, the diff is gargantuan.02:26
LaserJockthe tracking of -14 to -20 is the problem02:26
Fujitsu_The fix in -21 ONLY affects the code from after -14.02:26
Fujitsu_That bug was introduced when the line was rewritten.02:26
minghuaif that's the case, why doesn't dapper work already?02:27
Fujitsu_There must be another bug.02:27
LaserJockoh man02:27
LaserJockhow do you know it only affects the code after -14?02:27
Fujitsu_The issue fixed in -21 is that the second bit was ALWAYS executed.02:27
LaserJockk, that makes sense02:28
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LaserJockso it was after they rewrote that line?02:28
Fujitsu_That bug isn't in -14, there must be another one.02:29
LaserJockyucky yucky yucky02:29
LaserJockhmm, maybe we should just shoot for > -2102:29
LaserJockedgy seems to find it ok02:30
Fujitsu_Anybody up for wading through 53881 lines of diff?02:30
LaserJocknot I02:30
LaserJockif it was just maxima I wouldn't have a problem with grabing the edgy version02:30
ajmitchFujitsu_: that's a bit of a silly question02:30
LaserJockall maxima frontends are completely useless at the moment02:31
Fujitsu_LaserJock, exactly... But it's not :(02:31
LaserJockso it can only get better ;-)02:31
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LaserJockbut gcl might effect other things02:31
LaserJockI'd hate for us to introduce a regression02:31
LaserJockalthough ...02:31
LaserJockthe packages in dapper would actually have to be rebuilt to have a problem with a new gcl02:32
LaserJockalthough ...02:32
LaserJockhaving a different version of gcl than what the packages were built on is a little creepy02:32
ajmitch& is quite usual02:33
LaserJockbut it is -updates so people can still have the gcl version that was shipped with Dapper easily enough too02:33
LaserJockbah, this stinks02:33
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Fujitsu_I'm looking through the diff.02:35
Fujitsu_Most of it is CVS meta-data.02:35
LaserJockwell, I suppose we could work it up with gcl -22 and rebuild of Maxima and see if it goes through02:36
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LaserJockok, I'm heading home02:44
LaserJockI'll bbiab02:44
FujitsuOnly 29387 lines of non-CVS-metadata diff. Great.02:46
crimsunI think that was about half of the alsa backporting work I did for dapper ;)02:49
crimsun(it wasn't nearly as bad as it sounds)02:49
ajmitchcrimsun: but how many lines of that was structures, PCI ids, etc?02:49
crimsunajmitch: probably a good 3/502:50
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ajmitchnot so bad02:50
ajmitchstill a lot of code to go through02:50
minghuaHmm, maxima is not in Debian testing, interesting02:54
imbrandonmoins all03:02
FujitsuHi imbrandon.03:03
imbrandonheya Fujitsu03:04
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ajmitchhi imbrandon03:04
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imbrandonhiya ajmitch03:04
imbrandonhowd the script run , good results ?03:04
imbrandon( i realize your probably still wadeing though it )03:05
ajmitchcaught a few, haven't had much time at my machine to do any wading03:05
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ajmitchimbrandon: I'll try & upload a few more rebuilds tonight03:08
imbrandonsweet, if you give me ( or post ) a list somewhere i can do some too03:09
imbrandonawe man03:09
imbrandoni just got the amarok 1.4.4 schedule, its to be released one day before edgy03:09
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imbrandonlooks like that will be edgy+103:10
crimsunsnarf cvs/svn ;)03:10
imbrandonheya crimsun03:10
imbrandonfeature / string freeze is in 10 days , so i could scavage svn after that for fixes03:11
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imbrandonwow room droped off04:01
crimsun($time_of_day , probably)04:04
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ehazletthey all, im not sure if im in the right place, but i was looking for some info on creating an alternate install cd04:17
PlugOooh. I can help you there04:21
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ehazlettPlug: i saw in debian a package for building cd04:23
ehazlettcds with scripts, but i can't find the same for ubuntu...04:23
PlugDo you want to build a CD or modify one?04:23
ehazletti would like to take a list of packages and generate an alternate install disc04:24
ehazlettfrom scratch04:24
PlugI've never done that04:24
ehazlettawesome...  thanks.04:24
PlugI've customised a build CD regularly though04:24
Plugin fact I'm updating mine now :)04:24
ehazletthave you heard of reconstructor?04:24
ehazlettok...  just thought i would ask  :)  thanks for the help...04:27
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Plugit makes Live CDs?04:28
ehazlettcustomizes the ubuntu Live cd04:28
ehazlettyeah, and generates them...04:28
_MMA_I use it for Mubuntu.04:30
_MMA_I just got off the phone with its dev. Hes planning on adding "Alt" cd creation.04:31
PlugServers don't get GUI setup discs :)04:31
Fujitsu_I think I isolated the gcl patch!!!04:32
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LaserJockFujitsu_: !?!04:39
FujitsuCurrently rebuilding -14 to check that it wasn't just my rebuilding.04:39
PlugAnyone got a script that goes through a dir of .debs and keeps on the most recent version of each (based on filename)?04:41
LaserJockPlug: heh, I was just thinking the same thing04:42
ajmitchPlug: nope, I just fill up my disk :)04:43
Plugit'd take a bit of bash and dpkg --compare-versions04:43
Plugbut I'm lazy04:43
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Plugand am sure someone has written this already04:43
ajmitchpartly because I can't be bothered writing a script to cleanup, even though it'd be fairly simple04:43
Plugmy problem exactly!04:44
PlugI should pose it as a 5 min Python problem for Isomer04:44
Plughe loves those04:44
minghuait's written for your APT cache, called "apt-get autoclean", but I don't know how for an arbitrary dir04:45
StevenKapt-get autoclean uses its lists to determine which versions to keep.04:45
Plug"apt-get autoclean removes only package files that can no longer be downloaded."04:45
minghuayeah, apt-get autoclean is actually different04:46
minghuait uses the Release file instead of looking which one is the newest04:46
PlugWhat's apt-smartclean, then?04:47
minghuaso I suppose there is market for a new script :-)04:47
Plugsounds like its for apt4rpm04:47
ajmitchPlug: even better, I've got a python module that means you don't need to call out to dpkg & slow everything down04:47
StevenKLinda has one, too.04:47
ajmitchit sped up a script that took 10 minutes to run down to a few seconds04:47
ajmitchStevenK: I borrowed it from britney04:47
Pluglooking good here04:48
StevenKYou could use python-apt, too.04:48
StevenKExcept python-apt sucks.04:48
ajmitchthat's just boring04:48
Plugwonder if I have RPM anywhere? :)04:48
ajmitchyou probably do04:48
Plugwell, I could install it04:48
Plugwoop!  I can run alien on it and treat it like a package :)04:50
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ajmitchPlug: and be outcast04:50
PlugI'm just trying to extract the script04:50
PlugI dont want the package04:50
Plugyou thought i was goign to ask you to sponsor an alien'd rpm into universe? :)04:51
ajmitchthat's like people coming to us & asking if we can upload checkinstall-created .debs to universe04:51
ajmitchno, I know you're not that stupid04:51
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StevenKSomeone said the c word04:51
FujitsuStevenK, you missed the kick/ban button.04:51
PlugI can't remember (or be bothered looking) how to manually unpack an RPM!04:52
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StevenKPlug: rpm2cpio04:52
FujitsuIt's like so:04:52
StevenKcpio -i04:52
Fujitsushred -u whatever.rpm04:52
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StevenKJust like 'rm -rf' is read mail, really fast.04:53
crimsunthe best lossy compression there is04:53
Plugi'm a dick04:54
StevenKHard to beat 100% compression.04:54
Plugi got the RPM with his GPG key04:54
Plugnot the RPM with the script :)04:54
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FujitsuThat's the spirit, Plug!04:55
Plugnever you mind Fujitsu, i've been hating on RPM for many years ;)04:55
StevenKIt looks like Edgy unmounts removeable media before suspending04:55
ajmitchStevenK: probably a wise move for usb devices04:56
ajmitchI don't know if they'll be powered at all when the system is suspended04:56
Plugso, after all that, I actually found the home page for the program in the RPM04:56
Fujitsuaptsmartclean in an... RPM!?04:57
ajmitchPlug: right, a 5 minute python job..04:57
ajmitchFujitsu: yes?04:57
StevenKajmitch: Point.04:57
ajmitchwe have a centos box here, with apt04:57
StevenKajmitch: Dapper didn't do that.,04:58
Toadstoolhi! I prepared a rpm with checkinstall and converted to a .deb with alien, can anyone upload it to universe? :p04:58
ajmitchToadstool: sure!04:58
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PlugToadstool: those belong in 'main'04:58
Plugyou need to go ask in #ubuntu-devel :)04:58
ajmitchToadstool: what's the forum URL?04:58
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Toadstoolajmitch: heh04:58
StevenKToadstool: Sure, I'll just use the new upload tool, 'rm' instead of 'dput'04:58
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FujitsuWe need a plugin for Ubugtu to do that.04:59
ToadstoolSeveas: ^04:59
Fujitsugcl really does take a while to compile...05:16
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imbrandonmv *.exe *.deb05:16
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FujitsuOn two counts!05:17
Plugthis is exactly what I needed05:17
imbrandonwonder if it works for osx .pkg files to .deb too05:18
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LaserJockimbrandon: dude, you might be getting seriously close to being the first person to have their core-dev privilages removed05:20
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Fujitsu+1 LaserJock05:21
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=== Fujitsu get mangled terribly.
FujitsuOoh, gcl finally finished rebuilding.05:23
FujitsuI don't know how I can possibly do any Debian packaging from inside a Solaris package, but meh.,05:24
ajmitchStevenK: that is cruel05:24
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LaserJockI need him05:25
LaserJocksorry guys05:25
FujitsuThanks, LaserJock :)05:25
FujitsuCurrently rebuilding maxima with the rebuild -14 gcl...05:25
FujitsuIt doesn't work!05:28
FujitsuI've isolated the patch!05:28
LaserJockwhat doesn't work?05:29
minghuaFujitsu rocks05:29
FujitsuLaserJock, I isolated the patch, build gcl whatever-14ubuntu1, built maxima with it, it worked. I just rebuilt -14, rebuild maxima with it, and it doesn't work.05:29
FujitsuSo it's this nice patch here which makes it work.05:30
ajmitchPlug: fancy05:31
Plugits exactly what I needed.  I love when the Internet does that.05:32
LaserJockFujitsu: how big is the patch05:35
PlugI should learn Python.05:36
ajmitchhg has some nice features05:37
ajmitchPlug: I agree05:37
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Plugsomeone recommend me a good learning Python book.05:43
ajmitchand I thought you claimed to not be a coder05:44
Plugajmitch: I do05:45
Plugthing is, I don't program enough to remember syntaxes or APIs05:46
Plugand I don't hugely -enjoy- it05:46
Plugbut I do enough scripting that I bang my head against the bash wall.05:46
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ajmitchpython tends to be much nicer for anything substantial05:47
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Plugwonder if anyone in .nz will have diveintopython in dead-tree05:49
Plugmight be time for an Amazon order05:49
imbrandonPlug, it should be on your hdd05:49
ajmitchas he says, dead tree is easier reading05:50
imbrandonahh ;)05:51
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ajmitchyay, new xen-3.0 built05:54
ajmitchI wonder if we can get a UVF exception for this05:54
minghuabut it seems nobody updates diveintopython anymore05:57
minghuaand while I agree it's good, I still don't have a clear idea about python after reading it05:57
crimsunI recommend Apress's Beginning Python or Practical Python, then05:59
crimsunthe former is really something nice.05:59
minghuaBeginning Python has 5 stars on amazon, I think I'll try that06:01
minghuacrimsun: thanks06:01
minghuacrimsun: so those two books are essentially two editions of the same book, aren't they?06:03
crimsunminghua: the former is distilled from the latter, so they're not really two editions of the same book, no06:04
crimsunI think the former is ... well, if I can say it, more readable06:05
LaserJockwell, that stinks06:09
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imbrandontar -cf brandon.home.tar brandon06:15
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FunnyLookinHatGot this error when trying to install gnomesword with synaptic on edgy:06:20
FunnyLookinHat Depends: libsword5c2a (>=1.5.8-7) but it is not installable06:20
FunnyLookinHatI didn't pastebin b/c it wa sjust a line, srry for spam06:21
LaserJockFunnyLookinHat: yep, it's broke06:21
FunnyLookinHatHow would I go about fixing it?06:21
ajmitchbuild-deps need updated06:22
LaserJockfigure out why it's broken ;-)06:22
ajmitchneeds a rebuild06:22
ajmitchmay need API changes06:22
FunnyLookinHatooh ok06:22
LaserJockit's broken06:22
FunnyLookinHatI'm close to the dev team for project, so I'll talk with them06:22
LaserJockFunnyLookinHat: that's me06:23
LaserJockwe uploaded libsword606:23
FunnyLookinHat: )06:23
LaserJockbut gnomesword is FTBFS06:23
FunnyLookinHatI'm so not with it tongith06:23
LaserJockwith libsword606:23
ajmitchLaserJock: isn't glasseyes maintainer of gnomesword in debian?06:24
ajmitchsweet, upstream of gktools got back to me & has hopefully resolved licensing issues06:25
imbrandonsometimes upstream can be slow06:27
ajmitchhe initially replied within an hour or two of my first mail06:27
ajmitchI was impressed06:27
imbrandonwow , nice06:27
ajmitchwhereas other upstreams, I have their home phone numbers :)06:28
imbrandonhaha ;)06:28
LaserJockI have one of my upstream cell number06:30
LaserJockalthough I don't know why I'd call myself06:30
imbrandonheh i have one too, my own ;( lol06:31
ajmitchthat hardly counts06:31
imbrandonwell i have a ubuntu/canonical emplyee's number ( although like LaserJock i dunno why i would ever use it, err for that matter where i stuck it )06:32
ajmitchsure, they hand them out on their business cards06:32
imbrandonheh well i've never met anyone else ( other than my lug ) that uses ubuntu soooo06:33
LaserJockyeah, well I got to use a Canonical employees phone so :p06:33
ajmitchbut you're a raging MOTU-holic06:33
ajmitchand so being far above us mortals ;)06:33
imbrandoni actualy had my number and mobile on my blog for a long time, but then when i redid it i took it off, as there isnt ever really a reason to call06:34
nixternali have imbrandon's phone number, and anyone who visits the Bloomingdales in downtown Chicago, and uses the bathroom will have it too ;)06:34
imbrandonsides if there is a emergency i'm sure its not hard to whois imbrandon.com ;)06:34
imbrandoni forgot i gave it to nixternal for a wakeup call the day of the MOTU tb meeting06:35
imbrandonbut like i said its not har to whois a domain i own ;)06:35
nixternalno...you gave me your number for a wakeup call for the paris sprint i thought06:35
ajmitchI remember \sh calling here at about 5AM one morning since I was meant to give a MOTU school session06:35
imbrandonnixternal, err yea it was a wakeup call for something06:36
nixternalit has been in kontact for a long time06:36
ajmitchof course I never heard nor answered the phone06:36
ajmitchso my flatmate wondered why foreign people were calling at that hour06:36
nixternali will tell them the truth..it wasn't a wakeup call...crimsun called it the other night ;)06:36
imbrandonlol ajmitch06:36
imbrandonhuh ?06:37
nixternaloh sweety, don't play all innocent now ;)06:37
LaserJockoh man06:38
nixternalim going to stop06:38
LaserJockI'm leaving06:38
nixternalcutiecoder is in offtopic and imbrandon will get something started06:38
whiprushhi guys!06:38
whiprushhi ajmitch!!06:38
nixternalwasabi whip!06:38
ajmitchhey whiprush06:38
nixternalhow are the storms in ohio right now?06:38
ajmitchhow's it going?06:38
whiprushnixternal: I am back in michigan06:39
imbrandonheya whiprush06:39
nixternali will be in michigan in 2 weeks visiting my granny06:39
whiprushajmitch: good good, man, I ran into some serious directory people at ohiolinux06:39
whiprushhi brandon06:39
ajmitchwhiprush: I envy you06:39
whiprushnixternal: oh yeah, where at?06:39
nixternalbenton harbor area06:39
ajmitchwhiprush: got everything sorted for UDS as well?06:39
whiprushajmitch: they asked all the tough questions.06:39
whiprushajmitch: yep, I think so.06:39
nixternal<voice style="icecube">southwest side</voice>06:40
whiprushI wish my more technical friends would be more involved though, they'd do a better job than have me bumbling around trying to figure this out.06:40
LaserJockhmm, we need a "MOTU Wants You!" poster with dholbach on it ;-)06:44
LaserJockwhat the guy saying in -devel?07:01
Fujitsu 1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)07:02
FujitsuThe file in question is file.d.07:02
FujitsuAnd the patch can be reduced even further I believe.07:03
FujitsuAs there are two distinct parts....07:03
FujitsuOne of them is just changing the variable holding a PID from an int to a long, which can easily be obliterated :)07:03
FujitsuI can reduce the patch to 3 modifications and 5 additions trivially.07:05
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FujitsuBut I'm off home now, I'll be back in about 45 minutes.07:07
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LaserJockhi Fujitsu08:18
FujitsuHi LaserJock.08:18
FujitsuAh fsck. The two external machines I use for build-testing are... not connectable.08:20
imbrandonFujitsu, nother 2 days give or take i'll have mine back up for ya ( and Hobbsee )08:22
FujitsuAh, OK, thanks :)08:22
FujitsuIs that the one with the hard drive failure?08:22
Hobbseeimbrandon: yay :)08:22
FujitsuUnfortunately, Burgundavia's machine also seems to not be too responsive at this time.08:23
imbrandoni can build test something if you wish though on my ppc, its just slow for large builds08:23
imbrandonbut horatio only runs a dapper livecd atm heh08:23
FujitsuNo, I'll just build it here, hopefully...08:24
FujitsuThis build generally takes about two hours, unfortunately.08:24
imbrandonfor what ?08:24
FujitsuOr well over one hour.08:24
FujitsuIt is gigantic.08:25
imbrandonkoffice takes about 3.5 on horatio08:25
StevenKI remember vtk taking an hour on liquified08:25
imbrandonthats the bigest thing i build on any kinda normalk basis08:25
FujitsuSimply extracting the source archive takes more than a minute (14MiB .diff.gz)08:25
StevenK(Which is nothing to sneeze at, being a 3GHz amd64)08:25
Fujitsuimbrandon, but that's KDE.08:25
imbrandonheh kde its self ( kdebase and kdelibs ) dont take that long to build08:26
imbrandon~30 minutes or so08:26
imbrandonits koffice and gcc that takes forever ( for me )08:26
imbrandonnever timed gcc but it take a good while08:27
LaserJockwell, I did gcl on my 1.3GHz P408:27
LaserJockthat took a bit08:27
imbrandonand funny enough, i have no idea why but kvirc take longer to build than kdebase08:28
imbrandonkvirc takes FOREVER , like 1+ hours08:28
imbrandonfor just an irc client08:29
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Fujitsu 1 file changed, 8 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)08:30
FujitsuThat's my final patch.08:30
StevenKOh, nice.08:30
imbrandonyea useless considering there is like 1 whole user of kvirc i think08:30
FujitsuNow, this had better work...08:30
StevenKia64 build of vtk 5.0.1-1 in ubuntu edgy RELEASE08:30
StevenKBuild finished:   2006-09-02 10:42:40 EST (2 hours 30 minutes)08:30
imbrandonand its not even me08:30
FujitsuStevenK, nice.08:30
StevenKIt's nice having a machine quicker than an Itantic buildd08:31
imbrandonheh yea08:31
imbrandonitaniums are slow but stable from what i've seen ( stable only becouse most of the time they only run mission critical software that would make a 286 stable )08:31
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imbrandoni've only seen 1 or 2 , and that was at my old job, they got sold and phased out pretty fast08:32
StevenKIt managed to heat up the outside of my bag from 2 metres away.08:33
BurgundaviaFujitsu: my machine is currently off, that is why08:34
FujitsuBurgundavia, that'd do it :)08:34
imbrandonheya Burgundavia08:35
BurgundaviaFujitsu: it will be back on as of tomorrow, for a few days while I am in boston. I need to buy a quieter power supply so I can sleep with it on08:35
Burgundaviahey imbrandon08:36
FujitsuLaserJock, thanks for that response to 37169. I was about to say the same thing when I noticed your comment :)08:36
FujitsuBurgundavia, aha.08:36
StevenKBurgundavia: I solved that problem - I put the computers in another room.08:36
BurgundaviaStevenK: I don't have another room08:36
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LaserJockFujitsu: mhm08:38
FujitsuAs you probably noticed, I got fed up with the Thiloisms, so reversed a number of them.08:42
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Laser_awaynight everybody08:43
FujitsuIt'd be nice to have a visible indication as to the upstream state of a bug (ie. whether it isn't known to affect, affects, or has been forwarded).08:43
Fujitsu'night, Laser_away.08:43
FujitsuThis Pentium M 1.6 is compiling a lot faster than the P4 2.8 I was on before.08:44
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dholbachgood morning08:55
imbrandonheya dholbach08:57
dholbachheya imbrandon08:57
crimsunthese forum posts are bewildering08:57
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Fujitsucrimsun, which?08:58
crimsunjdong pointed me to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=270676 , saying the bugfix wasn't correct (?)08:59
crimsunone of lodp and jdong is clearly misled08:59
laskahello room. I'm looking for help with installing something for FF in ubuntu to watch live radio08:59
crimsunit can't simultaneously work and /not/ work08:59
crimsun'morning dholbach09:00
dholbachhey guys09:00
dholbachhey crimsun09:00
laskais  anyone have any suggestions09:00
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crimsunyou've got the crazy desktop boogs :)09:01
imbrandonboogs hehe09:01
dholbachhehe :)09:01
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=== StevenK wonders if he could see how many bugs he's commented on/fixed in the last few days.
Lathiat'karma' :)09:20
imbrandonyea but i dont think you can see actual bugs09:20
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ajmitchStevenK: not enough09:39
StevenKajmitch: Pfff09:40
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StevenKsteven@liquified:~/ubuntu/firebird2/firebird2- wc -l debian/patches/* | tail -n 1 57275 total09:42
StevenKOooh, now I have a warm and cosy feeling, too.09:42
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StevenK# Initialize k to one09:44
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ajmitchthat's an interesting definition of 109:44
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minghuathere are so many old dapper bugs that only have me, the reporter, and ubuntu-bugs as subscriber :-(10:04
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ajmitchhello Hobbsee10:06
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Gloubiboulgadholbach, the new Xffm (4.5.0) is now modular and all its modules are in edgy, but I'd like to update the xffm4 (currently package to move it into a metapackage. Do I need to fill an UVF bug for this?10:07
dholbachGloubiboulga: that's main, no?10:07
Hobbseehey ajmitch10:07
Gloubiboulgadholbach, no, universe10:08
Gloubiboulgayep, it's the old file manager10:08
ajmitchthunar replaced it, didn't it?10:08
Gloubiboulgawhich can browse samba network (thunar can't)10:08
Gloubiboulgaajmitch, yes, but a lot of users want to use samba, and there's no plugin for thunar yet10:09
dholbachGloubiboulga: i trust your judgement and I know that you will fix bugs that are introduced by the update, but i'd still like to see a changelog - does that make sensen?10:10
Gloubiboulgadholbach, well, everything is in the repos already, but it's split in 8 packages10:11
dholbachoh, now I understand10:12
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dholbachsure that's fine - go ahead10:12
ajmitchwhich is a little hard :)10:12
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ajmitchdholbach: I've got xen-3.0 here - update is from rc1 to rc2, but they don't really supply any changelog10:15
dholbachajmitch: hrm, any NEWS file? any git log or something?10:16
ajmitchhg log, I'll attach that10:17
ajmitchI've got the diffstat now after filtering out the .hg stuff10:17
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ajmitchthe package is also much much smaller since I exported it from hg, rather than including all the hg metadata :)10:18
dholbachoh :-)10:20
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dholbachajmitch: did you chat with zul about the update?10:21
ajmitch11:28 <ajmitch> is there an rc2 tarball released, or just hg?10:21
ajmitch11:28 <zul> i think there is a tarball have to check10:21
ajmitch11:28 <zul> if you want to upload it go ahead10:21
dholbachok cool10:22
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ajmitchdholbach_: ok, assigned to uvf team now :)10:30
StevenKajmitch: Does that mean you can approve your own UVF exception?10:36
ajmitchStevenK: no, I don't think I would10:36
ajmitchthere needs to be 2 approvals anyway10:36
=== StevenK wonders if he should read that as, "I don't really trust myself."
ajmitchmore that "it wouldn't be fair for others"10:37
FujitsuHow likely is it that a backported fix for gcl will get into Dapper, fixing the (w)xmaxima-doesn't-work-at-all bug? I believe it comes under the `severe regressions' category on StableReleaseUpdates, and a large number of people have asked for it to be fixed...10:43
ajmitchask dholbach when he's back - we don't have a set policy at the moment for universe updates10:44
ajmitchI'll happily support it if the fix is small & sane10:45
FujitsuI've finally isolated the gcl patch... Death to all 58000-line diffs!10:45
FujitsuYeah, 3 modifications, 5 insertions.10:45
ajmitchit may be that the uvf team ends up handling -updates as well10:45
FujitsuAnd we finally get maxima working!10:45
ajmitchwe'll try & arrange something :)10:45
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Fujitsu<Fujitsu> How likely is it that a backported fix for gcl will get into Dapper, fixing the (w)xmaxima-doesn't-work-at-all bug? I believe it comes under the `severe regressions' category on StableReleaseUpdates, and a large number of people have asked for it to be fixed...10:46
Fujitsu(ajmitch said you're the person to ask)10:46
ajmitchdholbach: apparantly mdz is fine with MOTUs sorting out something amongst ourselves for -updates10:47
Fujitsuajmitch, that's a good idea.10:47
ajmitchwe've just not really had anything formal in place, like the UVF team10:47
dholbachajmitch: anything specific you're referring to?10:47
ajmitchdholbach: pushing stuff to dapper-updates10:47
dholbachyeah... anything specific?10:47
ajmitchgcl, as Fujitsu is asking10:47
dholbachah ok10:47
dholbachajmitch: it'd be nice if we'd get stuff tested10:48
ajmitchthat's somewhat critical10:48
FujitsuOf course.10:48
ajmitch07:47 < LaserJock> mdz: ^^? or do you want MOTUs to decide that?10:48
ajmitch07:48 < mdz> LaserJock: the latter10:48
ajmitch07:49 < mdz> though I strongly recommend using StableReleaseUpdates or something very close to it10:48
ajmitchin response to a question about the SRU policy10:48
FujitsuIt'd be nice if StableReleaseUpdates actually said it was for main/restricted only.10:49
dholbachwe should decide on a workflow10:49
dholbachand add notes to wiki/SRU once we decided it10:50
ajmitchI think Laser_away is calling for a MOTU meeting sometime soon10:50
FujitsuAnyway... gcl needs a very small (3 modifications, 5 insertions) patch backported, and maxima needs a rebuild, and (w)xmaxima's unworkiness is fixed.10:50
dholbachdo -updates build against -updates?10:52
ajmitchafaik they do10:53
FujitsuI'd presume they would.10:54
ajmitchbut I don't know how many libs or similar we've had through updates to test that10:54
FujitsuSounds like a #-devel question.10:54
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ajmitchabout 50 packages on the unmet deps list are gnustep related11:25
azeemcall for a gnustep team :)11:26
ajmitchthere are UVF exceptions being looked at which will fix all these11:26
ajmitchso it's a good justification to get the UVF done11:26
imbrandongnustep ? litestep like ?11:28
ajmitchlike nextstep, or openstep :)11:28
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imbrandonheh how ironic11:29
ajmitchhow so?11:29
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imbrandoncuz my i386 is livecd only atm heh11:30
ajmitchyou're still working on that11:30
imbrandonwell i quit the other day when my hdd died11:30
ajmitchyou're 'braver' than I thought ;)11:30
imbrandonbut i made a 386 chroot on the amd64 and decided to start over11:30
imbrandonas long as this compiles this time its the last step11:30
imbrandonand /should/ all work11:31
imbrandoneverything else i have done afaik11:31
ajmitchfamous last words11:31
imbrandonlol yea11:31
imbrandonthe last thing before my hdd crashed i got to was gcc compiled but once it got to the making of the deb it complained about striping or soemthing11:32
imbrandonand only made one of the debs, but i was tired and went to sleep and then woke to a broken puter ;(11:32
imbrandonsooo i'm back to that point now11:32
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imbrandonthis person "Nikita Youshchenko <yoush@cs.msu.su>" dosent happen to hang on irc do they ?11:35
azeemimbrandon: https://launchpad.net/people/yoush doesn't indicate they are11:36
imbrandonhum ok thanks11:36
imbrandonguess i'll just patch it and send them a email11:36
imbrandonone of the dpkg-cross scripts needed a cupple additions and had this comment in it ....11:37
imbrandon# This list is far from being complete ...11:37
imbrandon# Please send additions to Nikita Youshchenko <yoush@cs.msu.su>11:37
dholbachwhat about having a MOTU meeting soon11:39
dholbachUni/Multiverse SRU and edgy release-prep should be on the agenda11:39
dholbach... at least ...11:39
imbrandondholbach, i'm all for it , just name a time as far as i'm concerned11:39
dholbachmonday 14 UTC?11:41
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imbrandonlooks ok to me , nothing else is on the schedule on the fridge for that time11:43
imbrandonbut i'm just one person ;)11:43
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FujitsuI am ,yes.11:44
dholbach^ :)11:45
HobbseeFujitsu: midnight monday, isnt it?11:45
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Hobbsee@now utc11:45
UbugtuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: October 05 2006, 09:45:2511:45
Hobbsee@now sydney11:45
UbugtuCurrent time in Australia/Sydney: October 05 2006, 19:45:3011:45
FujitsuYeah, 2400...11:45
FujitsuMidnight Monday.11:45
Hobbseeah, yeah.11:45
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Hobbseethat's doable.  ish.11:45
dholbachcool, I thought so ;)11:46
FujitsuYeah, it is doable, just.11:46
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ajmitchimbrandon: what you want?11:46
HobbseeFujitsu: nasty for you, with school the next day :P11:46
Hobbseeajmitch: will find it horrible11:46
FujitsuHobbsee, yeah, owwwww.11:46
imbrandonajmitch, input from dholbach time for a MOTU meeting11:46
ajmitchdholbach: no chance I'll be there at 1400UTC11:46
FujitsuYear 12 exams in two weeks! Yay!11:46
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dholbachajmitch: what time would you prefer?11:46
ajmitchlittle chance you'll find a time that suits everyone though11:46
dholbach14:00 utc is 7:00 for the east coast of the us11:47
HobbseeFujitsu: fun.11:47
dholbachwest coast11:47
ajmitch& it's 3AM for the single kiwi MOTU11:47
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dholbachmaybe I miscalculated11:47
dholbachoh well11:47
dholbachpick another time ;-)11:47
FujitsuAnd midnight for us three eastern Aussies. Poor ajmitch :(11:47
ajmitchyou don't need me for the meeting11:47
ajmitchanytime that's convenient for me will be very inconvenient for people in the US11:48
dholbachok, let's go with 14 then11:48
Hobbseeajmitch: 3am?  why not 2am?11:48
ajmitchok, I'll read the logs :)11:48
ajmitchHobbsee: because I'm at work at 9AM11:48
Hobbseeajmitch: i realise that.  i thought you were 2 hours out from us11:49
ajmitch3 at the moment11:49
ajmitchdaylight savings started on sunday11:49
imbrandondholbach, want me to add it to the fridge calendar ( i'm sure you will email -motu )11:49
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dholbachimbrandon: I'll mail fridge-devel also11:49
imbrandondholbach, i can add it right now11:50
ajmitchI know that Laserjock was wanting a meeting - make sure that it's an OK time for him11:50
Hobbseeajmitch: ahhh...11:50
ajmitchas long as the active MOTUs are there, it'll be ok :)11:51
ajmitchdholbach: thanks11:55
ajmitchif I'm really brave, I might go to bed early that night & get up for the meeting11:56
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esputo hello, I would like to create a dapper server iso with updated packages, I've been reading arround but I get stuck on the creation of "Packages" files under /dists/ directory, is there any tool for that?12:09
dholbachesputo: no need to ask in several channels - I'd try #ubuntu+1 for support questions like that.12:10
ajmitchtime for me to sleep12:11
sivangnight ajmitch12:11
imbrandongnight ajmitch, maybe tomarrow gcc will be done ;)12:11
sivangajmitch: got the list , just before you drop? :-)12:12
TheMusoHow long is the meeting expected to go for?12:12
esputoOk dholback, I'll do that12:12
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imbrandonTheMuso, i put it on the fridge for an hour since one wasent specified12:13
dholbachTheMuso: we try to be brief - that's what i wrote in the mail12:13
TheMusodholbach: Yeah I saw that.12:13
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FujitsuI will too... I hope the parents won't kill me for it :)12:14
imbrandonFujitsu, flashlight + laptop under the covers like a kid with a book ;)12:14
FujitsuThey weren't particularly happy when I got up at 0530 for the TB meeting, of course.12:15
TheMusoFujitsu: Have you explained Linux/Ubuntu/free software to them at all?12:15
FujitsuOh, of course.12:16
TheMusoWhy weren't they happy?12:16
FujitsuMy father introduced me to it, several years ago...12:16
FujitsuI got up too early, apparently.12:16
TheMusoAh right.12:16
TheMusohehe. I have all my computer stuff in my room, which is enough to keep people out, as it can get noisy when I have everything on, and the alpha makes enough noise on its own. :)12:17
ajmitchsivang: before I sleep, I'm working on it :P12:19
FujitsuTheMuso, ooh... An Alpha! Nice.12:22
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sivangajmitch: heh :)12:24
sivangajmitch: you can work on it tomorrow as well12:24
sivangajmitch: there's no rush ;-)12:25
ajmitchsivang: except release12:25
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ajmitchjust to keep some notes12:25
ajmitchnow I really need sleep12:25
FujitsuSee ya, ajmitch.12:25
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TheMusoimbrandon: Did you see the dreamhost bonus?12:34
TheMusoFujitsu: Yeah it is nice. I use it for IRC/DNS/DHCP.12:39
TheMusoBut the debian install on it is somewhat screwed atm, so it needs a re-install. :)12:39
StevenKRe-install Debian?12:41
StevenKWho does such a thing?12:41
TheMusoStevenK: When one experiments with stuff so much as it screws critical parts of the os. :p12:42
TheMusoAnd a majorly corrupt filesystem.12:42
xopherTheMuso, how can I obtain a cloak like yours for my hostname?12:46
TheMusoxopher: Are you an Ubuntu member?12:48
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xopherWell how do I register if Im not? Ive registered at launchpad and at the forums..12:49
minghuaxopher: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember12:50
xopherthank you12:50
imbrandonTheMuso, yea sorry eating dinner12:54
TheMusoimbrandon: Sounds like a late dinner.12:54
imbrandonTheMuso, yea they gave me 200GB space and 4TB transfer now12:54
imbrandonhehe yea i keep weird hours ;)12:54
TheMusoI'll bet a dreamhost user or two will try and use that.12:54
imbrandonTheMuso, haha yea i was thinking of putting a rsync of the ubuntu archive12:54
imbrandonor atleaste the cdimage12:55
imbrandonthats 110GB ;)12:55
imbrandonbut i run a local apt-mirror so i'll probably only mirror the cdimage and torrents12:55
imbrandonanyhow back to dinner bbiab12:56
Adri2000dholbach: ping12:57
dholbachAdri2000: pong12:57
Adri2000you assigned bug 63964 to me12:58
UbugtuMalone bug 63964 in xmoto "UVF exception request: xmoto 0.2.2-1" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6396412:58
dholbachyeah, as motu-uvf no longer "has anything to do with it"12:58
Adri2000what do you want me to do? I can't upload :p12:58
dholbachhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/FAQ explains how to get that done12:58
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cucohi, i am building a package for ubuntu, which needs to create some mysql tables. on debian, i used the extra file: debian.cnf. this does not work on ubuntu. any ideas whay can i do...?02:44
cucothe question is, how do i install sql tables from postinst scripts ...?02:44
freeflyingcuco: debconf?02:45
cucodebconf is just the way to ask the user some questions. it does not help me in this place.02:45
kristogcuco: right! use postinst02:45
cucoyes, i am doying this on the post install...02:45
cucobut... if the user has a root password for the mysql server this will fail..02:46
kristogcould you paste it somewhere02:46
lionelpcuco: it is not nice to use the debian.cnf file02:46
cucothis is why (at least on debian etch and sarge) you have an extra configuration file, which can be used to override the permissions02:46
lionelpcuco: you should ask a root password in your postinst with debconf02:46
cucolionelp: that ugly ... :(02:47
kristogcuco: uhm ok, you have 2 solution 1) use debconf for know the pw 2) write a script and put it in /doc02:47
lionelpwhy ?02:47
lionelpyour package is not necessary on the mysql server02:47
cucowhat do you mean, not on the mysql server...?02:48
cucojust be be sure: the debian.cnf files does not work on ubunut02:48
kristogyour package is useful without the mysql server?02:48
lionelpyour application is not always set up on the machine that run the mysql server ?02:48
cucothe application,works best on the server which runs the mysql server02:49
cucothe application,works best on the machine running the mysql server (not native english speaker, sorry)02:49
lionelpwhy best ?02:50
lionelpWhat kind of application it is ? Most of applications that use mysql can use it through the network02:50
cucothis is an asterisk configuration web interface02:51
lionelpcuco: okay, I know it02:51
cucolionelp: the packages i wrote, work on sarge and etch. now i am trying to install them on ubuntu.02:52
cuco(mc is in universe...? wow...)02:52
lionelpIn that case, I see no reason why the system where freepbx is installed should have the privilege to create a database on the server02:52
lionelp(yes mc is in universe)02:53
cucothen how will it work..? this means that the package (by default) will depend on an external mysql server02:53
kristogcuco: if you don't need the server i guess you will need the client02:53
kristog(at last)02:54
lionelpno nee for the server absolutely02:54
lionelpyou only depends on php*-mysql module02:54
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cucolionelp: that is a package dependency. the gui still needs to store it's data.02:56
lionelpcuco: a package dependance on mysql-server ?02:57
cucoyes, a virtual-mysql-server is supported, which means you don't have to install the sql server on trhe same machine.02:57
cucobut i want to support the trivial scenario, in which a user "apt-get install freepbx" - and evrything works.02:57
lionelpcuco: it is only for your needs or for distributing ?02:58
cucoanyway, only the grant command fails. all other commands (create, and the newinstall.sql) work.02:58
cucolionelp: lets start with the easy scenario, me02:58
lionelpcuco: ok, you better know your needs than me ;)02:58
cucook, lets ask again, a more specific question:02:59
lionelpcuco: the user in debian.cnf has no right to do the grant02:59
lionelpthat is absolutely right02:59
cucook, how do i workarround this...?02:59
cuco(asking the root password via debconf)03:00
lionelpcuco: or change the rights for the user in debian.cnf (i would not do) or ask the password via debconf03:00
cucochanging the rights of the user in debian.cnf is non standard, not a good idea. debconf seems the best way...03:01
lionelpcuco: agree03:01
cucook, cool. lets say i have the packages working, what should i do to get them into ubuntu...?03:02
lionelpcuco: hum... wait Edgy+1 :)03:03
lionelpwe are now in Freeze due to the proximity of the release03:03
cucook. not a problem for me.03:03
lionelpwhen Edgy+1 is opened, put your package on REVU03:04
lionelpYou will find some documentation on the wiki (see URL in the topic)03:04
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lionelpcuco: there is an ITP on Debian, are you the one who have done it ?03:06
cucolionelp: i don't have an official ITP, but the package is already on pkg-voip's svn.03:07
cucolionelp: the package will not get into etch.03:07
lionelpcuco: ok03:07
lionelpcuco: if your package is uploaded in Debian, it will be automaticaly included in Ubuntu03:07
cucolionelp: apparently upstream is going to handle the packaging as well, as it seems they do not like what happened to trixbox03:08
lionelptrixbox is the old asterisk@home right ?03:08
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cucolionelp: sorry, konversation crashed. first time i seen it :)03:12
cucodid you get my "yes"?03:12
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lionelpcuco: yes03:13
cucook, i will work on this probably next week03:14
cucohow do i check out if a script is runing on ubuntu or debian...?03:20
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kristogcuco: why not 2 build?03:29
kristogcuco: or check sources.list03:30
cucokristog: that is 3 different package versions, not 2.03:30
cucokristog: sarge, etch (and sid) and then also ubuntu03:30
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cucochecking sources.list is not smaty, what if people from the other distro add a secondary apt source...?03:30
cucodpkg -l base-files| grep ubuntu ...?03:31
kristogwhy build a package for sarge and for etch?03:31
cucokristog: no, the same package for both distros03:31
Hobbseecuco: cat /etc/lsb-release03:32
cucoHobbsee: not available on sarge, etch. (also not in centos). might be a good idea...03:32
cucoHobbsee: but still not deterministic enough for my taste03:33
StevenKif [ -f /etc/lsb-release ] ; then ...03:33
cucoit's debian? or ubuntu...? what if debian add this file sometime...?03:33
StevenKIt won't contain Ubuntu in it.03:33
Hobbseecuco: ahh03:34
cucoif grep ubuntu /etc/lsb-release; then echo "ubuntu"; else echo "debian"; di03:34
StevenKgrep -q03:34
cucoof course.03:34
StevenKUbuntu, too03:34
cucosays debian here, works as expected.03:35
cucoif grep -q -i ubuntu /etc/lsb-release; then echo "ubuntu"; else echo "debian"; di03:35
cucoif grep -q -i ubuntu /etc/lsb-release 2> /dev/null; then echo "ubuntu"; else echo "debian"; fi03:35
StevenKsteven@liquified:~% if grep -q -i ubuntu /etc/lsb-release; then echo "ubuntu"; else echo "debian"; fi03:35
cucook, this does seem to work, but dam ugly.03:36
StevenKWhy do are you trying to determine it, anyway?03:36
StevenKs/do //03:36
cucoStevenK: for the freepbx package. on ubuntu it should ask for a mysql root password, but on debian it's not needed.03:38
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StevenKI can't think of why.03:39
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cucosorry, i am not following you03:39
StevenKWhy do you need to prompt on Ubuntu, and not Debian?03:40
realistIsn't the mysql root passwd usually left blank?03:40
cucobecause on ubuntu i cannot grant permission on a mysql database without any passowrd03:40
cucorealist: that's lame no...?03:40
realistOtherwise most packages will ask you for it03:41
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StevenKcuco: You shouldn't be able to do that on Debian either.03:41
cucorealist: look half an hour ago, me and lionelp were talking about it03:41
realistI always set one, doesn't mean you *have* to03:41
thomcuco: um, i'd be shocked if there was any difference between ubuntu and debian03:41
cucoStevenK: works on sarge and etch03:41
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cucothom: cool.03:41
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Tonio_StevenK: may I take 3 minutes of your time ?03:43
Tonio_StevenK: I'm intended to package wengophoneNG since version 2.0 is out since yesterday03:44
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Tonio_Hobbsee told me you already played with it03:44
StevenKTonio_: A new package, or a new version?03:44
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Tonio_StevenK: well as 2.0 is very different from classic, I would probably suggest a new package03:45
StevenKTonio_: Then I have no problems.03:45
StevenKTonio_: Since it doesn't affect the work I just did.03:45
Tonio_StevenK: what are you working on ? I don't wanna duplicate your stuff03:46
StevenKTonio_: 0.99+svn4511-4ubuntu3 FTBFS, I was fixing it03:46
Tonio_StevenK: ah okay03:46
Tonio_StevenK: thanks for the info03:47
StevenKTonio_: I can send you my debian/rules patch - the same problems may bite you.03:48
Tonio_StevenK: yes, definitly03:49
Tonio_StevenK: tonio@ubuntu.com03:49
StevenKTonio_: Aye, I'll just finish checking that my build is sane.03:50
Tonio_StevenK: okay03:51
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StevenKTonio_: Sent03:54
Tonio_StevenK: perfect, thanks a lot03:54
StevenKNo problems03:54
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lophytemorning everyone04:12
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AnAntanyone here ?04:15
AnAntI have a question04:15
azeemjust ask04:15
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AnAntI was packaging tss (terminal screen saver)04:16
AnAntthe problem is that it includes artwork that the author of doesn't know their license04:16
AnAnthis screen saver is GPL since he did it04:16
AnAntbut the artwork is the problem04:16
AnAntwhat should I do about that ?04:17
AnAntshall I remove them from orig tarball or what ?04:17
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AnAntor ask him to do so ?04:17
AnAntfor example ask him to provide a tarball for tss & tarball for the Ascii art (ie the artwork)04:17
AnAntazeem: ?04:19
azeemazeem: I just suggested you should just ask your question, I didn't say I could answer it or would even have the time to look at it :)04:19
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azeemeh, s/azeem/AnAnt/04:19
azeemI don't know how Ubuntu handles artwork licenses, really04:20
thomi'd remove them from the tarball and recommend that he do the same04:20
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thomazeem: same as debian in general, but without the "help" of debian-legal04:20
azeemthom: before or after the current GR? ;)04:21
thomi am pretending that GR doesn't exist in the hopes it'll go away04:21
thomi find debian works much better when i take the "fingers in ears and whistle" approach04:22
azeemjust watch out you stay next to Sledge, or you'll get lost like keybuk04:22
AnAntk , thanks04:25
tepsipakkicould someone sync libpam-krb5 from debian? edgy has the same version as dapper04:25
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AnAnt_is the MOTU meeting about Edgy or Edgy+1 ?04:30
Hobbseeboth, probably04:31
AnAnt_will the result of that meeting be published on web ?04:32
AnAnt_at 14:00 GMT I will be in the bus going home !04:32
Hobbseeit'll likely go for a while04:33
Hobbseeof course it will04:33
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tepsipakkiok, I filed #64189 against libpam-krb5. hopefully it makes it in, works fine also with dapper ;)04:59
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lophytehey superm105:46
lophytehow's it going?05:46
superm1well i've been working at this bug with myth05:46
superm1 bug 6348505:46
UbugtuMalone bug 63485 in rhythmbox "Rhythmbox's cover art plugin should support cover.jpg files like other GNOME music players" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6348505:46
superm1 bug 6348605:46
UbugtuMalone bug 63486 in mythplugins "mythphone causes mythfrontend seg fault on amd64" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6348605:46
lophyteI've never used myth before05:47
superm1while i was working at it, I've been struggling to fix the packaging to generate mythtv-debug again05:47
superm1since when we merged to 0.20, those pieces were lost05:47
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superm1but i'm not sure that dh_strip will properly do it anymore since myth actually has a compile target for debug05:48
superm1but i've been away from the web, so i've been stuck doing this offline for now05:49
superm1hows -motu been treating you the last two days?05:49
lophyteI've been wanting to work on some unmet deps.. ajmitch rebuilt all the packages and I figured he'd post up a list of packages that are really broken and not just in need of rebuilding05:50
superm1did he ever post that list?05:50
lophytehe said he hasn't gone through it yet05:51
superm1well it was a fairly large list, is he still building?05:51
lophytenope.. only took him a couple of hours apparentl05:51
superm1oh hm05:51
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sistpotyhi folks05:52
superm1hi sistpoty05:52
lophyteother than unmet deps, though, I'm not quite sure what to do05:52
lophytehey sistpoty05:52
sistpotyhi superm1, lophyte05:52
superm1sistpoty, perhaps you could help with a question for me.  The old myth packaging produced a mythtv-debug package by using dh_strip on all the libraries.  I'm reluctant to bring this up to the newer packaging because the newer packaging has a --compile-type=debug option which I'm thinking does more then just leave debugging symbols.  What is the appropriate thing to do in this case?05:54
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sistpotysuperm1: the -dbg package only contains (and should contain) the debug symbols, however you can drop this, since lp should produce debug symbols itself now05:56
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superm1oh it does?  how can I obtain the symbols from lp then?05:56
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sistpotysuperm1: haven't tried myself yet... there should be some info in the ubuntu-devel ml (or ubuntu-devel-announce ml), from Martin Pitt (pitti)05:57
superm1Okay. i'll take a look around05:57
superm1how do we phase out the current mythtv-debug package then?05:57
superm1its a version behidn the version of the rest of the suite and un-necessary at this point05:58
sistpotysuperm1: just drop it in debian/control and remove the --dbg from dh_strip (or s.th. like that)... that should imo do the trick05:59
superm1well its not currently listed in debian/control, but it is still available through apt, just the old version shows up06:00
sistpotysuperm1: ah, ok. then you should file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-archive, to remove that very binary package06:01
superm1Ok then06:02
sistpotyhey dholbach: great to have a motu-meeting again :)06:03
sistpotynot quite sure, if I'll make it though... final exam on next wednesday :/ (and I really should be learning right now *g*)06:03
dholbachhey sistpoty06:04
dholbachsistpoty: great to have you here :-)06:04
LaserJockoh nice06:09
LaserJock7am for me :-)06:09
LaserJocksistpoty and dholbach: can I get you guys to look over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/MotuManagement06:10
sistpotyhey LaserJock06:10
sistpotyLaserJock: give me a few minutes ;)06:11
superm1sistpoty, I found the email Martin mentioned if you were curious to read thru it again http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20060705.101916.8b92c5c8.en.html06:11
dholbachLaserJock: who and what is the document intended for?06:12
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dholbachi'm out for a quick walk now - brb06:14
superm1after reading about this automatic debug symbol building, I gotta say it looks very promissing, especially if LP already knows about it06:18
sistpotyLaserJock: just read through this... nice work!06:21
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sistpotyLaserJock: I like the idea of a motu manager06:22
LaserJockwell, right now I'm looking a just identifying problems we are facing06:22
LaserJockand potential solutions06:23
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LaserJockprobably a MOTU Manager can alleviate a lot of the problems simply by  doing a bit of leg work to generate task lists06:23
LaserJockand make sure everybody is aware of policies and deadlines06:23
sistpotyLaserJock: not just that... sometimes I feel that we motu's are a kind of headless crowd :)06:24
LaserJocksistpoty: do you have anything to add to the list?06:24
LaserJocklike a bunch of ants busily running around ;-)06:25
sistpotyLaserJock: not currently... but I'll think about it ;)06:25
LaserJockthe thing I think would be important though06:25
LaserJockis to seperate the MOTU Manager from the higher level technical stuff (UVFe team, etc.)06:26
LaserJockwhat tends to happen is really good MOTUs get more and more put on them06:26
LaserJockand then they have to choose between the technical work and the community work06:26
sistpotyLaserJock: that06:27
sistpoty+'s true06:27
LaserJockso more of a CC and TB style06:27
superm1having a MOTU Manager would be quite a time commitment for someone to take up06:27
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LaserJockyes, it would06:28
LaserJockalthough it perhaps wouldn't be too bad06:28
superm1but in their definition, it better be posted what they are for and arent for to guarantee that things stay working smoothly06:28
superm1like you said choosing between community and technical work is probably what gives the most stress06:29
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superm1would MOTU hopefuls be joining these focused teams, or just hovering where needed?06:30
LaserJockwell, the Teams already exist06:31
LaserJockand are certainly open to Hopefuls06:31
LaserJockthe proposal was to use the more06:31
superm1I hadn't even realized there was any teams other then the MOTU-Media team and the uvfe team06:31
superm1yea good to see :)06:32
superm1with only having 55 MOTUs though, will adding more teams help that much?06:34
LaserJockno, the proposal is not to add more teams06:36
LaserJockbut to *use* teams06:36
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LaserJockI wonder if dholbach is back yet06:42
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LaserJockMr. Barry!06:44
bddebianHeya gang06:45
bddebianHi LaserJock06:45
sistpotyhey bddebian06:46
bddebianHeya sistpoty06:46
LaserJocktuxmaniac: haha, that's got to be one of my favorite logout messages06:50
LaserJock"A patch in time saves kill -9"06:50
tuxmaniacLaserJock> heh06:50
tuxmaniacLaserJock> Dont you feel the bug list for Ubuntu-Science packages on Edgy has been very less?? :D06:51
bddebianI like Casanova's too06:51
tuxmaniacLaserJock> Infact most of them that are ingering around are dapper06:52
dholbachLaserJock: he is06:54
LaserJockdholbach: this wiki page is something we thought of the other day. I'm listing MOTU problems and potential solutions06:59
LaserJockdholbach: I'd like to present this at a MOTU Meeting and perhaps get some input from Jono06:59
dholbachOk nice07:00
dholbachit's all perfectly valid07:00
LaserJockdholbach: my first goal was to simply list problems in as much detail07:00
LaserJockthen get a set of solutions together07:01
LaserJockand prioritize07:01
dholbachOk nice07:01
LaserJockso at the moment I'm wanting to check with other MOTUs to see if they want to add/substract or flame me ;-)07:01
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dholbachno, not flame07:01
dholbachi think it might be good to have a documentation like that for a meeting after edgy release07:02
LaserJockI'd like to work on it more and not distract too much from the issue at hand (getting Edgy out the door)07:02
LaserJocktuxmaniac: yes, the number of bugs is going down a bit. and many that are left are upstream bug watches07:04
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LaserJockhaha, i'm a raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU, I'm wearing my flame-retardent underweard07:05
Bazziah crap07:08
Bazzithere's a package I'd like to see in edgy but I haven't checked debian unstable in time :(07:09
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Toadstoolhey everybody07:16
Bazzihi Toadstool :)07:16
Toadstoolgreat! a meeting!07:16
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Toadstoolhi Bazzi07:17
Toadstooluhuh, meeting at 07:00am...07:20
bddebianHeya Toadstool07:21
sistpotyok, gotta continue learning... cya07:22
Toadstoolhey bddebian07:24
LaserJockToadstool: yep, you're in my TZ now ;-)07:24
bddebianWho the hell is up at 7:00am?07:24
bddebianAnyone know how I disregard char input when doing something like:  scanf ("%d", &foo); ?07:24
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LaserJockbddebian: apparently Toadstool and I will be up at 7:00am ;-)07:30
Toadstoolbddebian: scanf("%s", ...); strtol(...); ? :p07:30
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ToadstoolLaserJock: yep I'll be up07:30
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bddebianpshaw :-)07:32
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thomok, anychance we could have an installable valgrind-callgrind on edgy?07:43
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geserthom: valgrind 1:3.2.0-2ubuntu1 provides valgrind-callgrind07:51
geserthe seperate package isn't needed anymore07:51
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thomthen the others should be removed right?07:55
lophytehi geser07:57
geserhi lophyte07:57
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jdongany Media team folks in here?08:03
jdongsince Dapper's LTS, I'd like to discuss the possibility of an updated multimedia stack in dapper-backports08:04
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LaserJockhi phanatic08:29
phanatichey LaserJock08:29
superm1hey guys, how would I add an app into an edgy pbuilder that I dont want the package normally depending on?08:33
superm1just for some local testing08:33
LaserJockhmm, you want it to depend on it now though?08:33
superm1well its pkg-create-dbgsym08:34
superm1it creates debug symbols08:34
superm1it will eventually be active in LP, but packages dont need to depend on it08:34
superm1it diverts dh_strip to do so08:34
LaserJockok, so you just want it installed in your pbuilder?08:34
LaserJockwell, you could do a pbuilder login08:35
superm1so i can change the base.tgz from that login then huh?08:35
LaserJockcp the pkg-create-dbgsym .deb into the chroot and the source package you want to build08:35
LaserJockthen build it inside the chroot08:36
superm1oh interesting08:36
superm1didn't realize you could actually chroot into a pbuilder08:37
superm1is there a way to make that more permanent, so that if I wouldn't have to chroot to do my builds, but could just queue them up with pbuilder build and still have pkg-create-dbgsym installed in the pbuilder?08:39
LaserJockyou could cp the pbuilder base.tgz08:40
LaserJockthen do a login08:40
LaserJockhang on a sec08:41
jdongsuperm1: make a backup of the base.tgz, then do pbuilder login --save-after-login08:41
jdongsuperm1: install the package, exit, and now base.tgz will be recreated with the changes you made08:42
superm1changes will only be lost then after pbuilder update right?08:42
jdongsuperm1: no, changes will not be lost until you restore your backed up base.tgz!08:42
jdongit permanently taints your pbuilder08:42
superm1hence why to back it up :)08:42
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LaserJockyeah, that's what I was going to say08:44
LaserJockI was just reading man pbuilder08:44
LaserJockto make sure I had it right08:44
LaserJockand then somebody called the lab08:44
superm1so when pkg-create-dbgsym goes active on LP, will it become part of the base package then possibly?08:45
LaserJockmight be cool too08:45
superm1oh --extrapackages would probably be the good way to do it, especially if i can just throw it in a pbuilderrc08:46
jdonghmm, yeah, if it's in apt already, extrapackages mgiht be a better plan08:46
jdongI thought it was a self-rolled deb08:46
superm1yea pitti pushed to get this finished up by edgy time08:46
superm1supposed to make debugging a lot easier08:47
LaserJockfor self-rolled --save-after-login seems better08:47
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dholbachhave a nice evening! see you tomorrow!09:23
tsengbye dholbach09:23
dholbachbye tseng09:23
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bddebianHey tseng, you never hug me?? :'-(09:23
bddebiangnight dholbach09:23
tsengbddebian: you're not as pretty09:23
tsengi hug dholbach is real life09:23
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jdong|laptopare there irc logs for this channel?09:57
ajmitchyes, somewhere09:58
jdong|laptopthat's roughly what I told the forum poster about where his monodevelop packages are :D09:59
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LaserJockbug 6424210:36
UbugtuMalone bug 64242 in maxima "ship working maxima for ppc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6424210:36
ajmitchbtw are you able to make it to the MOTU meeting?10:36
LaserJockI suppose10:36
LaserJockit's 7am for me10:36
ajmitchLaserJock: don't you love maxima bugs?10:36
LaserJockbut I can manage10:36
ajmitchah, I thought it might be 8am10:37
ajmitchit'll be 3am for me10:37
LaserJockwell, that's not just a maxima bug10:37
ajmitchthat's a truly offensive bug report10:37
LaserJockit's a bug to report that bugs aren't being fixed and Ubuntu is the suxor10:37
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LaserJockI'll handle it10:38
ajmitchgood :)10:38
ajmitchyou don't want me to..10:38
LaserJockI know10:43
LaserJockthat's why I'm doing it10:43
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jdongit was... uhh... this morning.... :)10:45
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gesercould a motu please ACK the sync request in bug 64036, bug 64035 and bug 63839?10:48
UbugtuMalone bug 64036 in gnustep-gui "[UVF Exception]  Sync gnustep-gui 0.11.0-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6403610:48
UbugtuMalone bug 64035 in gnustep-base "[UVF Exception]  Sync gnustep-base 1.13.0-3 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6403510:48
UbugtuMalone bug 63839 in gnustep-make "[UVF Exception]  Sync to gnustep-make 1.13.0-1 from Debian unstable" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6383910:48
LaserJockI rejected it with a pleasant little note10:53
LaserJockthat's really irritating10:55
LaserJockthose maxima bugs have plauged me since right before dapper was released10:55
LaserJockand then they say "What do you ignore us, you suck", it really motivates me to fix it that's for sure ;-)10:56
bddebiangeser: Go man, go.. I was wondering why gnustep* was all jacked up in Edgy10:58
ajmitchLaserJock: just say 'you want it, you fix it'10:59
ajmitchah, I see you basically did :)10:59
ajmitchgood response10:59
LaserJockoh man11:00
LaserJockI just found directions to checkinstall maxima/wxmaxima on the wiki11:00
Toadstoolwell done LaserJock11:00
geserajmitch: do I need an ACK from a MOTU if I have a confirmed uvf exception?11:01
geserfor a sync request11:01
jdongLaserJock: that is what happens when ubuntu packages don't work, or ubuntu doesn't provide up to date packages :)11:01
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ToadstoolLaserJock: you should add your comment to the Bug/Responses wiki page :)11:02
LaserJockjdong: you? a rant? I can't imagine ;-)11:04
ajmitchgeser: I don't know, depends on what the archive admins say11:04
LaserJockwell, a UVFe team ack I would assume would count as a MOTU ack11:05
ajmitchjdong: almost as great as those *wonderfully* tested backports :)11:05
bddebianFrick, I hate not being able to do any Ubuntu work.. :'-(11:06
LaserJockoh whatever11:07
LaserJocktake a break then11:07
LaserJockwrite the packaging guide for me11:07
LaserJockadd to the MotuManagement wiki I started11:07
ajmitchbddebian: triage bugs11:07
LaserJockwe still have unmet deps I think11:08
bddebianI mean RL work getting in the way :-(11:08
ajmitchwe have about 18011:08
superm1_awayajmitch, did you ever get that list put together11:08
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LaserJockbddebian: bah, I know how that dude11:08
superm1sorry havent seen you around11:08
LaserJockbddebian: don't worry, just do what you can11:08
theCoredoes someone is working one bug 46428, if not I would like to try to fix it11:09
UbugtuMalone bug 46428 in libming "python-ming is misnamed and basically empty" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4642811:09
LaserJocktheCore: go for it11:11
theCoreok :)11:12
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jdongajmitch: oh come on, I screwed up one.... :)11:34
jdongand I learned to not call my edgy chroots dapper ones11:35
LaserJockpoor jdong11:35
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jdongand speaking of drive-by malone prodding, what about my wine and x264 UVFe's? :D11:35
LaserJockwell, it's not like you broke X or anything ;-)11:37
jdongLaserJock: hehe... I was afraid to say that, else I'd get the pitchfork mob after me :D11:37
ajmitchjdong: just one?11:37
ajmitchjdong: what happens when you backport stuff to dapper, but not subsequent bugfixes to the package? :)11:38
jdongajmitch: urgh, launchpad really needs a better way to track that11:39
jdongajmitch: any such outstanding bugs I should direct my attention to?11:39
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ajmitchbug 6178311:39
UbugtuMalone bug 61783 in phpgroupware "package should depend on php5-imap | php4-imap" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6178311:39
ajmitchjdong: about your uvf request, probably because you subscribed motu-uvf :)11:40
ajmitchx264 is approved if you looked11:40
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jdongajmitch: bah... mixed up backports and motu conventions....11:41
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theCoreis it possible to sync packages from Debian past the freeze?11:50
ajmitchtheCore: new packages?11:50
ajmitchanything new or that has a new upstream revision needs the UVF team's approval11:51
ajmitchif it's just a new debian revision, go ahead11:51
jdongajmitch: wrt x264, who should I bug to do the actual sync and avidemux patch?11:51
theCorethe debian version is newer than the one in Ubuntu11:52
ajmitchpreferably one of the motu media people11:52
superm1does a new debian revision need a UVFe then, or just a debdiff?11:52
ajmitchtheCore: that's expected if it's a sync11:52
ajmitchsuperm1: I just said, you don't need UVF exception for debian revisions, just upstream versionss11:52
superm1oh sorry i misread11:52
superm1thats good to know11:52
theCoreajmitch, so, how I would process to sync the package?11:53
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ajmitchtheCore: file a bug, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors11:53
ajmitchprocess for filing a sync is on the DeveloperResources wiki page11:53
theCorethe bug is already filled11:53
LaserJockajmitch: don't do it11:53
ajmitchLaserJock: aw why not?11:54
ajmitchon the forums, noone knows who I am :)11:54
theCoreajmitch, "If we're in UpstreamVersionFreeze, syncs of a newer upstream version require explicit UVF exception approval."11:55
theCore-- from the Wiki11:55
ajmitchtheCore: exactly as I said11:55
theCoreok, then it's me that misunderstood11:55
theCorepython-ming hadn't been updated since 200511:56
theCoreit's a bit old ...11:56
ajmitcha version is x.y.z-a11:57
ajmitchx.y.z is upstream version11:57
ajmitcha is the debian revision11:57
ajmitch   libming | 0.3beta1+cvs20051127-1 | http://apt-proxy edgy/universe Sources11:58
ajmitch      ming |  1:0.3.0-7 | http://apt-proxy sid/main Sources11:58
ajmitchit appears to be a new upstream version11:58
ajmitchoops, messed up the changelog entry slightly for xen-3.011:58
ajmitch1 missing )11:58
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theCoreajmitch, so, if want to fix the bug I need to patch Ubuntu?12:09
theCoreUbuntu's version*12:09

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