=== jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] does bug 63274's last comment indicate UVFe granted? [12:14] Malone bug 63274 in wine "UVF exception request wine 0.9.22" [High,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63274 [12:16] jdong: you need another vote (2 of 3) [12:16] it needs signed off by 2 people on the UVF team, who'll then set it to confirmed [12:16] oh, ok, thanks geser / ajmitch... I'm new to the procedure === doko__ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-079-174.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [n=mwolson@hariken.rcac.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu === YokoZar [n=scott@71.197.86.67] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] \sh_away: new bug on wine by me [12:48] YokoZar: the UVF request? [12:49] ajmitch: no, actually, a real bug (missing build depends) [12:56] hmm [12:56] where is Fujitsu today? [12:57] asleep or busy [12:57] hi LaserJock :) [12:58] back [12:58] hi ajmitch === ajmitch will be back in an hour or so [12:59] well, I was going to try to do some dapper-updates uploading [12:59] but got sucked into MOTU Management ;-) [01:01] oh you know you like it [01:02] I do [01:02] but it takes time away [01:02] from other things [01:02] thank god the week is nearly over [01:02] i agree [01:22] zul: you going to be around for a little bit? [01:23] LaserJock: ill be in and out there is a hockey game on tv [01:24] heh, ok [01:24] I'm working on a wiki page that I'd like a little MOTU feedback on [01:24] I'm waiting for ajmitch to get back === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] sure ill havea look hen its done [01:29] damn it i dont get that channel...yeah ill be around :) [01:30] heh [01:30] but at 9 im gone...lost is one [01:30] er..on even [01:30] crimsun: I think I asked if we have a -updates policy for MOTU like StableReleaseUpdates [01:31] LaserJock: not that I'm aware, but it would be in our best interest to mimick it [01:31] yes [01:32] ok, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/MotuManagement [01:33] I'd like to pick out specific problems/issues [01:33] I know there are some pretty general ones [01:33] (attempting. My connection is horrible atm wrt jitter.) [01:37] the list looks good. Imo concentrating on prioritised tasks based on the development cycle [timetable] would be most fruitful. Doing so would help resolve the policy documentation issue, and it would play nicely with a 'management infrastructure.' [01:39] i think the motu school sessions and the recruiting goes hand in hand [01:39] well [01:40] but thats just me [01:40] I really need to split up the recruiting [01:40] as there are several issues there [01:40] true [01:40] I'm going to try to get as many specific problems/solutions as I can [01:40] also i think people might be intimitated by the steep learning curve [01:40] and then categorize and prioritize them [01:41] otherwise looks good to me so far [01:41] any specific things you guys would like to add/subtract? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@94.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] im not really for the focused teams bit [01:42] yeah, that's why I'm trying to put pros and cons [01:42] so we can look at the potential solutions [01:42] and se what we want to go for [01:42] i think there might be too much for one manager maybe a commitee [01:43] I personally have liked having the MOTU Science [01:43] I think teams are useful; we tend to gravitate toward team-based maintenance, but I concur teams aren't necessarily the most dire point(s). [01:43] but I'd be really concerned about sort of splitting up of MOTU and what happens to packages that don't belong to a particular team [01:44] bottom line, I feel like teams should play a definate role in MOTU but they should grow naturally and not be forced [01:45] whatever happened to the mentoring? [01:45] initially I got 3 or 4 [01:45] and then they dropped off [01:45] and I haven't gotten any since [01:45] ah [01:46] I think we need to really figure out what we want to do there [01:46] we didn't really push MOTU Mentoring [01:46] and perhaps I didn't do a very good job of it ;-) [01:47] the reservation I have concerning mentoring is that it tends to reinforce 'MOTU know everything' [01:47] yep [01:47] I'm really struggling with that [01:47] just because I'm a MOTU doesn't mean I know everything about package XYZ [01:48] no, but you could definitely point a mentee in the right direction to find out info about package XYZ [01:48] I'd assume anyway [01:48] sure [01:48] our MOTU pool is essentially the active forum folks [01:49] lophyte: but in that case, why have a Mentor when #ubuntu-motu or ubuntu-motu ML works for that [01:49] if people will assist us in identifying those folks [who are actively creating their own packages] , we also make some headway into recruiting [01:50] I think people have worked with quinn-storm, for instance [01:50] yes [01:50] I find there are a lot of people that are mantaining 3rd party repos/packages [01:51] ubuntu-motu ML? [01:51] oh [01:51] nm [01:51] heh, sorry [01:51] took me a sec to get the acronym :P [01:51] I'm not opposed to MOTU Mentors by any means [01:51] I think having mentors are a good idea because then you have one person who gets to know you... [01:51] but I think we need to look at various "building MOTUs" projects [01:52] and look at effectivness and efficiency [01:52] I mean, if I use the channel and ML to point me in the right direction.. I might ask person A something today, and a week later ask person B.. and person B will have no idea about my previous experience [01:52] whereas with mentors... the mentor knows what the mentee has done in terms of MOTU work [01:52] right, and they might also give you a different answer [01:52] yeah [01:52] maybe look at recruiting in the forums [01:53] I did a little of that with my MOTU School session [01:53] got a few people to show up [01:53] I personally like the idea of the teams as well [01:53] I feel more motivated when I know there's others working with me on something.. like yesterday when a few of us said we wanted to tackle unmet deps together [01:53] but to be honest. I don' think I've had a single MOTU Hopeful come out of my MOTU Mentoring or MOTU School sessions [01:54] what's the definition of hopeful, anyway? [01:54] like, what differs a hopeful from someone who's interested in becoming a MOTU but doens't have any experience [01:54] somebody who is working there way towards MOTUship [01:54] ah [01:54] some people really have no intention of becoming a MOTU [01:55] I would call them contributors in general [01:55] Hopefuls are saying, I want to seriously become a MOTU and am working in that direction [01:55] I'd call myself a hopeful by a longshot, but a hopeful nonetheless [01:58] sure [01:58] I think you're right when you (or whoever it was) said that newcomers will be most confused when they join mid-release [01:58] so the question is, how effective is MOTU Mentors and MOTU School in producing MOTUs [01:59] they are both pretty time intensive so if they aren't working we shouldn't be wasting effort [01:59] no idea, actually === xopher [n=xopher@dyn226-120.lpok.dnainternet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch returns [02:00] heya [02:01] it might be more effective, actually, to consider podcasting school sessions [02:01] that's a good idea [02:01] hmm [02:01] and if there's any questions, people can contact whoever gave the session === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] LaserJock: MOTU stuff requires a lot of practice, sadly [02:02] Heya gang [02:02] hi [02:03] Heya ajmitch === Tonio___ [n=tonio@40.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] ajmitch: maybe that's a key thing [02:03] maybe we aren't giving people enough practice [02:04] Or maybe they just don't have the drive? :) [02:04] part of this push on REVU === ajmitch is barely active as it is [02:04] is that you aren't going to get much practice packaging NEW apps very fast [02:05] it's good practice [02:05] but you don't get a whole lot of it [02:06] bddebian and ajmitch: please check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/MotuManagement [02:06] if you haven't already === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] LaserJock: yes I just took a quick look === minghua sees well-defined problems, but not many good solutions :-( [02:09] Wow, go LaserJock [02:09] LaserJock: I appreciate your work on this, for sure === Adri2000_ [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] minghua: well, first the problems, then the solutions ;-) [02:10] if we had all the solutions we wouldn't have problems ;-) [02:10] LaserJock: biggest issue that crops up everywhere - time [02:11] LaserJock: don't we have you as our new motu manager now? ;) === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma_ [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] ajmitch: yes, time is the biggest constraint really [02:11] hi Fujitsu [02:12] Hi LaserJock. [02:12] maxima works, yay. [02:12] excellent [02:12] I had a look at the gcl fixes since Dapper... [02:12] They're absolutely enormous. [02:12] I think lj found a missing if () or something [02:13] yeah, it was a missing "else" [02:13] I think [02:13] what the hell is maxima [02:13] That was a regression from Dapper, I believe. [02:13] zul, a Computer Algebra System. [02:14] ah [02:14] The diff for -21 (I think that was the version of the socket error fix) doesn't apply to the Dapper version, that line of code was completely rewritten. The bug was introduced when that code was rewritten. [02:14] Fujitsu: hmm, well I looked at that line and the only difference was a missing "else" [02:15] Dapper has -14, right? [02:15] right === Fujitsu fires up laptop... I've got the various versions on there. [02:16] What is with maxima? The .orig.tar.gz is 7.8MB, the diff.gz is like 14MB! [02:16] yeah [02:16] heh === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] some autotools stuff, I suppose [02:17] ? [02:17] I don't believe so [02:18] ah [02:18] it's almost entirerly from a binutils dir [02:18] The socket write error fix was -20 -> -21... A single line change, adding an else. [02:18] right [02:18] However, that line has been rewritten since -14. [02:18] how so? === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] grr...i should stop reading the forum [02:20] I'll be back in a sec, got to go to form assembly... [02:20] zul: oh no === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] oh, I see it [02:23] hmm [02:24] LaserJock: pain & suffering === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] so I wonder if putting gcl -21 into -updates would make archive-admin throw a fit [02:25] why would it? [02:25] it's a rather large diff [02:25] and we only want a small fix I think [02:25] LaserJock, it would make everybody collapse and die, I think. [02:25] I just don't see how we are going to seperate that out [02:26] finding a fix for -14 that happened in -21 [02:26] It's really non-trivial to locate, the diff is gargantuan. [02:26] the tracking of -14 to -20 is the problem [02:26] The fix in -21 ONLY affects the code from after -14. [02:26] That bug was introduced when the line was rewritten. [02:27] if that's the case, why doesn't dapper work already? [02:27] There must be another bug. [02:27] oh man [02:27] how do you know it only affects the code after -14? [02:27] The issue fixed in -21 is that the second bit was ALWAYS executed. [02:28] k, that makes sense === shawarma_ [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] so it was after they rewrote that line? [02:28] Yes. [02:29] That bug isn't in -14, there must be another one. [02:29] yucky yucky yucky [02:29] hmm, maybe we should just shoot for > -21 [02:30] edgy seems to find it ok [02:30] Anybody up for wading through 53881 lines of diff? [02:30] not I [02:30] LOL [02:30] if it was just maxima I wouldn't have a problem with grabing the edgy version [02:30] Fujitsu_: that's a bit of a silly question [02:31] all maxima frontends are completely useless at the moment [02:31] LaserJock, exactly... But it's not :( [02:31] so it can only get better ;-) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@40.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:31] but gcl might effect other things [02:31] I'd hate for us to introduce a regression [02:31] although ... [02:32] the packages in dapper would actually have to be rebuilt to have a problem with a new gcl [02:32] although ... [02:32] having a different version of gcl than what the packages were built on is a little creepy [02:33] & is quite usual [02:33] but it is -updates so people can still have the gcl version that was shipped with Dapper easily enough too [02:33] bah, this stinks === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] I'm looking through the diff. [02:35] Most of it is CVS meta-data. [02:36] well, I suppose we could work it up with gcl -22 and rebuild of Maxima and see if it goes through === awbassett [n=andrew@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] ok, I'm heading home [02:44] I'll bbiab [02:46] Bye. [02:46] Only 29387 lines of non-CVS-metadata diff. Great. [02:49] I think that was about half of the alsa backporting work I did for dapper ;) [02:49] Ouch. [02:49] (it wasn't nearly as bad as it sounds) [02:49] crimsun: but how many lines of that was structures, PCI ids, etc? [02:50] ajmitch: probably a good 3/5 === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] not so bad [02:50] still a lot of code to go through [02:54] Hmm, maxima is not in Debian testing, interesting [03:02] moins all [03:03] Hi imbrandon. [03:04] heya Fujitsu === Fujitsu wades through the no longer 57881-line maxima diff. [03:04] hi imbrandon === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] hiya ajmitch [03:04] howd the script run , good results ? [03:05] ( i realize your probably still wadeing though it ) [03:05] s/good/expected/ [03:05] caught a few, haven't had much time at my machine to do any wading [03:05] ;) [03:06] cool === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] imbrandon: I'll try & upload a few more rebuilds tonight [03:09] sweet, if you give me ( or post ) a list somewhere i can do some too [03:09] awe man [03:09] i just got the amarok 1.4.4 schedule, its to be released one day before edgy === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon grumbles [03:10] looks like that will be edgy+1 [03:10] snarf cvs/svn ;) [03:10] hehe [03:10] heya crimsun [03:10] hi [03:11] feature / string freeze is in 10 days , so i could scavage svn after that for fixes === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma_ [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amachu [n=amachu@59.144.8.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] 'evening [03:31] 'earlyafternoon [03:31] :) === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma_ [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@48-34-50.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] wow room droped off [04:04] ($time_of_day , probably) === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-69-212-223-123.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] hey all, im not sure if im in the right place, but i was looking for some info on creating an alternate install cd [04:21] Oooh. I can help you there === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] Plug: i saw in debian a package for building cd [04:23] cds with scripts, but i can't find the same for ubuntu... [04:23] Do you want to build a CD or modify one? [04:24] i would like to take a list of packages and generate an alternate install disc [04:24] from scratch [04:24] https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-cdimage [04:24] I've never done that [04:24] awesome... thanks. [04:24] I've customised a build CD regularly though [04:24] in fact I'm updating mine now :) [04:24] have you heard of reconstructor? [04:26] nope [04:27] ok... just thought i would ask :) thanks for the help... === shawarma_ [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] it makes Live CDs? [04:28] customizes the ubuntu Live cd [04:28] yeah, and generates them... [04:29] <_MMA_> http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/ [04:30] <_MMA_> I use it for Mubuntu. [04:31] Cool. [04:31] <_MMA_> I just got off the phone with its dev. Hes planning on adding "Alt" cd creation. [04:31] Cool. [04:31] Servers don't get GUI setup discs :) [04:32] :O [04:32] I think I isolated the gcl patch!!! === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ is now known as _MMA_AWAY [04:39] Fujitsu_: !?! [04:39] Currently rebuilding -14 to check that it wasn't just my rebuilding. [04:41] Anyone got a script that goes through a dir of .debs and keeps on the most recent version of each (based on filename)? [04:42] Plug: heh, I was just thinking the same thing [04:43] Plug: nope, I just fill up my disk :) [04:43] it'd take a bit of bash and dpkg --compare-versions [04:43] but I'm lazy === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] and am sure someone has written this already [04:43] partly because I can't be bothered writing a script to cleanup, even though it'd be fairly simple [04:44] my problem exactly! [04:44] I should pose it as a 5 min Python problem for Isomer [04:44] he loves those [04:45] it's written for your APT cache, called "apt-get autoclean", but I don't know how for an arbitrary dir [04:45] apt-get autoclean uses its lists to determine which versions to keep. [04:45] "apt-get autoclean removes only package files that can no longer be downloaded." [04:46] yeah, apt-get autoclean is actually different [04:46] it uses the Release file instead of looking which one is the newest [04:47] What's apt-smartclean, then? [04:47] so I suppose there is market for a new script :-) [04:47] sounds like its for apt4rpm [04:47] Plug: even better, I've got a python module that means you don't need to call out to dpkg & slow everything down [04:47] Linda has one, too. [04:47] it sped up a script that took 10 minutes to run down to a few seconds [04:47] StevenK: I borrowed it from britney [04:48] looking good here [04:48] You could use python-apt, too. [04:48] http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.2-i386/RPMS.suser-oc2pus/rpmkey-suser-oc2pus-0.1-0.noarch.rpm [04:48] Except python-apt sucks. [04:48] that's just boring [04:48] wonder if I have RPM anywhere? :) [04:48] you probably do [04:48] well, I could install it [04:50] woop! I can run alien on it and treat it like a package :) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] Plug: and be outcast [04:50] I'm just trying to extract the script [04:50] I dont want the package [04:51] you thought i was goign to ask you to sponsor an alien'd rpm into universe? :) [04:51] that's like people coming to us & asking if we can upload checkinstall-created .debs to universe [04:51] no, I know you're not that stupid === StevenK twitches. [04:51] Someone said the c word [04:51] StevenK, you missed the kick/ban button. [04:52] I can't remember (or be bothered looking) how to manually unpack an RPM! === StevenK isn't quite that leet. [04:52] Plug: rpm2cpio [04:52] It's like so: [04:52] cpio -i [04:52] shred -u whatever.rpm === StevenK high fives Fujitsu [04:53] Just like 'rm -rf' is read mail, really fast. [04:53] haha [04:53] the best lossy compression there is [04:54] i'm a dick [04:54] Hard to beat 100% compression. [04:54] i got the RPM with his GPG key [04:54] not the RPM with the script :) === Plug hates RPMs a bit more [04:55] That's the spirit, Plug! [04:55] Hrm. [04:55] never you mind Fujitsu, i've been hating on RPM for many years ;) [04:55] It looks like Edgy unmounts removeable media before suspending [04:56] StevenK: probably a wise move for usb devices [04:56] I don't know if they'll be powered at all when the system is suspended [04:56] so, after all that, I actually found the home page for the program in the RPM [04:56] http://home.tiscali.cz:8080/~cz210552/aptsmartclean.html [04:57] ........... [04:57] aptsmartclean in an... RPM!? [04:57] Plug: right, a 5 minute python job.. [04:57] Fujitsu: yes? [04:57] ajmitch: Point. [04:57] we have a centos box here, with apt [04:58] ajmitch: Dapper didn't do that., [04:58] s/,// [04:58] hi! I prepared a rpm with checkinstall and converted to a .deb with alien, can anyone upload it to universe? :p [04:58] Toadstool: sure! === Toadstool runs [04:58] Toadstool: those belong in 'main' [04:58] you need to go ask in #ubuntu-devel :) [04:58] :) [04:58] Toadstool: what's the forum URL? === imbrandon looks for the /kick button [04:58] ajmitch: heh [04:58] Toadstool: Sure, I'll just use the new upload tool, 'rm' instead of 'dput' === Fujitsu writes a bot that auto-kicks on checkinstall and alien... [04:59] We need a plugin for Ubugtu to do that. [04:59] Seveas: ^ [04:59] ;) [04:59] heh [05:16] gcl really does take a while to compile... === imbrandon wonders if they make a alien for windows .... [05:16] mv *.exe *.deb [05:17] heh === Fujitsu stabs imbrandon to death. [05:17] TRAITOR! [05:17] <3 [05:17] On two counts! [05:17] this is exactly what I needed [05:17] heh [05:18] wonder if it works for osx .pkg files to .deb too [05:18] ;) === Fujitsu continues to stab. === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:20] imbrandon: dude, you might be getting seriously close to being the first person to have their core-dev privilages removed [05:20] ;-) [05:20] HAHAHA. [05:20] hahhahahaha [05:20] hah === Fujitsu submits these logs to the TB... It's approaching eternally banishment from the FOSS world, I think :P [05:21] *eternal === imbrandon stuffs Fujitsu into a .deb to shush him === LaserJock gets out the whip and hands it to sabdfl. "Thirty lashes" [05:21] +1 LaserJock === Fujitsu sits contentedly inside his .deb. [05:22] heh === StevenK runs alien on Fujitsu.deb and converts it to a Solaris package [05:22] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO === Fujitsu get mangled terribly. [05:23] *gets [05:23] Ooh, gcl finally finished rebuilding. [05:24] I don't know how I can possibly do any Debian packaging from inside a Solaris package, but meh., [05:24] StevenK: that is cruel === LaserJock unpacks Fujitsu [05:25] I need him [05:25] sorry guys [05:25] Thanks, LaserJock :) [05:25] Currently rebuilding maxima with the rebuild -14 gcl... [05:28] HAHAH! [05:28] It doesn't work! [05:28] I've isolated the patch! [05:29] what doesn't work? [05:29] Fujitsu rocks [05:29] LaserJock, I isolated the patch, build gcl whatever-14ubuntu1, built maxima with it, it worked. I just rebuilt -14, rebuild maxima with it, and it doesn't work. [05:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RemovingOldPackageVersions [05:30] So it's this nice patch here which makes it work. [05:31] Plug: fancy [05:32] its exactly what I needed. I love when the Internet does that. [05:35] Fujitsu: how big is the patch [05:36] I should learn Python. 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