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lucasvoogra: will that wishlist-bug about better login-messages get into edubuntu 7.04?12:28
lucasvoogra: about the ssh key missmatch, wrong pw and so on?12:28
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bddebianHowdy03:07
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tomveenshttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/58704:29
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JavierElectricohi04:40
LaserJockhi04:41
JavierElectricohow are you laser?04:42
LaserJockfine04:42
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RichEdgood morning :)08:32
highvoltagemorning RichEd 08:32
RichEdhello highvoltage 08:32
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willvdlping Richard08:51
willvdlRichEd rather08:51
RichEdWilliam : pong08:51
highvoltagewillvdl: yo don't use tab when typing nicks?08:55
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toosa_Hi RichEd ...10:00
toosa_brb10:00
RichEd'lo toosa ... just on my other machine for a bit ...10:03
cbx33hey peeps10:04
RichEdcbx33: I hold my breath ... news / decision ?10:05
toosa_I'm back10:08
toosa_Finaly, my Edubuntu book (indonesian) is published : http://toosa.oo-linux.com/cms/index.php/home/my_book10:10
toosa_The Title mean : Edubuntu a practical guidance for Linux in Education10:11
toosa_:)10:11
RichEdtoosa_: Well done ! You'll get a feature article and a featured link on the education community space by the time we release Edgy on the 26th10:12
toosa_thx10:12
RichEdas well as a link to your Ubuntu in Education friendly bog :)10:12
RichEdAfter all, how many other education software platforms can claim to have a Indonesian guide for Education !10:13
RichEdtoosa_: was it a lot of work ? and was it worth it for self satisfaction ?10:14
toosa_I have no  information ..  10:14
toosa_first .. i love education10:14
cbx33friendly bog - and agreeable toilet ?10:15
cbx33s/and/an10:15
toosa_I think writing a book in Indonesia still have low reward (in $) ...  10:16
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RichEdtoosa_: yes, but it will give you the credibility you need to one day Manage IT and Education for the Indonesian Government ;)10:17
toosa_you right ... 10:17
cbx33ping ogra you around yet10:18
cbx33having a little trouble upgrading this chroot10:18
toosa_mostly me and others Linuxers ... still love moves in the grass root, the support form the Govt is still not significant or opensource movement10:19
toosa_or=for10:20
RichEdIs the book thick enough to hit people about the head with ;)10:20
toosa_but, it is bigger time to time ...10:20
toosa_no, the book is only about 128 pages10:21
toosa_Btw, remember with the seminar i have been planed ? It has been rescheduled, until my book is published. 10:23
RichEdgood ... when is the new date ?10:28
toosa_sorry .. there was a phone call from my wife :D10:31
toosa_at the begining of December 200610:31
toosa_So do i have to reorder the CD or you can help me to inform who incharge with the CD to resume my order ?10:32
toosa_:)10:33
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toosa_brb10:45
cbx33ogra I can't update the chroot10:50
ograwhy ?10:50
cbx33it can't access the net10:50
cbx33I need to mount the proc etc won;t i?10:51
ogradid you mount proc ?10:51
cbx33I get the can't get hostanme via gethostname10:51
cbx33no not yet10:51
cbx33should I?10:51
ogradont forget you need no sudo ;)10:51
cbx33I know10:51
ograyep, sorry, i should have told you10:51
cbx33it temporarily fails to resolve hostnames10:51
cbx33I'll add the fstab lines and mount -a10:51
ograno !10:51
cbx33no?10:52
cbx33then remove once I'm done10:52
ogradont fiddle with fstab10:52
cbx33ok10:52
cbx33heheh10:52
cbx33is this procedure documented anywhere?10:52
ograsudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/10:52
cbx33done10:52
ograsudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ mount -t proc proc /proc10:53
ograsudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/10:53
ograsudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get update10:53
ograsudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get dist-upgrade10:54
ograthat should theoretically work10:54
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ograhey highvoltage 10:54
highvoltagehey ogra10:54
highvoltagemy home internet is back :)10:54
ograyay !10:54
highvoltagewas installed this morning. after 13 months of disconnectivity10:54
ograsuper, congrats !10:55
cbx33no still not working10:55
highvoltageit's so weird to not have to wait 30 seconds for a web page to start opening :)10:55
highvoltagethanks!10:55
ogracbx33, whats the error ?10:55
cbx33nice one highvoltage 10:55
cbx33same as before10:56
cbx33I am behind a proxy10:56
cbx33so I chroot into....export the http_proxy line10:56
cbx33and then run the apt-get update10:56
cbx33but I still get a failure resolving10:57
cbx33I can ping out10:57
ograand you copied /etc/resolv.conf ?10:57
cbx33yes10:57
ograhmm, doing the above on my systerm here works fine10:58
cbx33ok10:58
cbx33guess I'll have to fiddle aroudn a little more10:58
ograyou probably can set the proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf11:00
cbx33that's not the problem11:00
ograhttp::Proxy "123.456.789.001"11:00
cbx33it can't resolve the proxy hostname11:00
cbx33and I have to specify it by name11:00
ograso use the ip ;)11:00
cbx33I can't11:00
ograwhy ?11:00
cbx33they do some dodgy clever stuff have the same ip for http https ftp socks11:01
cbx33and it's recognised by the name you request11:01
cbx33we tried before using ips for it and it nver worked11:01
ograand you can ping your DNS from the chroot ?11:01
cbx33nope11:01
cbx33unknown server11:01
ograaha11:01
ogra(by ip)11:02
cbx33yes11:02
ograthats weird ...11:02
cbx33yup11:02
ograwhat can you ping ?11:02
cbx33I can't ping and DNS11:02
cbx33only ips11:02
cbx33s/and/any11:02
ograsure, but can you ping hosts from the same segment the DNS is in ?11:02
cbx33nope11:03
ogramounting proc should give you the IP setup from the server11:03
ogracheck your routes11:03
cbx33which it seems to have done11:03
cbx33ifconfig now works11:03
ogra(route -n)11:03
cbx33looks fine11:04
ograis the DNS in your network or is it routed (behind a gateway) ?11:04
cbx33behind gateway11:04
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TeePOGmorning guys11:05
ograand can you ping your DNS from the server ?11:05
cbx33but route -n matches what I have on my desktop11:05
ograhi TeePOG 11:05
cbx33indeed I can11:05
TeePOGhi ogra mate, how goes?11:05
ografine11:05
TeePOGhi cbx3311:05
ograthanks :)11:05
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RichEdhey TeePOG :)11:05
ograjerome !11:05
jsgotangconoooooooooooooo11:05
ograalive again !11:05
TeePOGhi RichEd, owarya?11:05
RichEdjerome: out typhoon survivor !11:05
RichEd*our11:05
jsgotangcoogra: on a computer rental station :(11:05
jsgotangcoON WINDOWS11:06
ograeek11:06
ogra:)11:06
cbx33ok ogra - got it working with ip this time11:06
ogragood11:06
jsgotangcoi am so frustrated already11:06
cbx33last we tried it on a doze machine so...figures I guess11:06
cbx33jsgotangco: DUDE !11:06
RichEdjsgotangco: make sure you wear your UbuntuMan underwear for protection !11:06
jsgotangcogahhh11:07
cbx33ogra dist-upgrade failed11:07
cbx33usplash and libc6 dependency problem11:07
ograRichEd, you mean the thong that even clinto wears ?11:07
jsgotangcoim so frustrated already i want to cry11:07
ogra*clinton11:07
TeePOGplease tell me quickly, how do i choose which desktop manager is loaded on ltsp login?11:08
RichEdogra: mr or mrs ? I'm scared to visualise either !11:08
ogracbx33, hmm, we probably need the dapper security updates first11:08
cbx33ok11:08
ograRichEd, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5388182.stm11:08
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ogra*giggle*11:11
ograTeePOG, in edgy, you use the session menu ... in dapper and before you need to: sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager11:14
jsgotangcoman im so out of touch11:14
ogra(or use a ~/.xsession) 11:14
ograTeePOG, err ... you mean *desktop* manager ... not session manager :)11:15
ograSCREEN_07=startx in lts.conf will start an XDMCP session 11:16
TeePOGerm, yeah... i said desktop manager11:16
TeePOGbut thanks11:17
ograXDMCP will use the desktop manager from the server ... whatever is installed there (thats the old ltsp 4.2 default behavior)11:17
ograbut note that thats not supported and doesnt have all features ldm has 11:17
ogra(i.e. no local device support, sound is not tested with it etc)11:18
cbx33ogra: it's popped up with the initramfs what shall I do11:18
ogracbx33, my edgy upgrade works fine here fwiw11:18
cbx33replace or keep?11:18
ograkeep11:18
cbx33I have errors11:19
cbx33whilst processing the kernel image11:20
ograeven with using the dapper security upgrades first ?11:20
ograhmm11:20
cbx33hang on11:20
ogracaan you pastebin that ?11:20
cbx33bah....dude...i screwed up11:21
cbx33i forgot I'd already done the edgy upgrade before the dapper security11:21
cbx33am I totally screwed?11:21
ograjust pastebin the exact error for me11:22
cbx33ok11:22
cbx33http://pastebin.ca/19286211:24
cbx33someimtes me being an idiot is good - throws up what a normal user may try and do ;)11:25
ograwoah ... that surely shouldnt happen11:25
cbx33even if I wasn't totally uptodate to being with?11:26
highvoltageege11:36
ogracbx33, we're discussing it in -devel11:37
ogracbx33, try if a chrooted dpkg --configure -a solves it (even though i doubt it11:41
ogra)11:41
cbx33ok11:42
cbx33still a problem11:43
ograsame one ?11:43
cbx33i think so yes11:43
cbx33yeh same11:43
cbx33grrr11:43
highvoltagecbx33: do you have a /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs?11:43
ograapt-get -f install ?11:43
ograhighvoltage, he wouldnt have a kernel without it 11:44
ograthe linux-image package depends on it 11:44
cbx33ogra: still the same problem11:44
ogracbx33, did you reboot after upgrading the server (and before upgrading the chroot) ?11:44
highvoltagefrom his output it seems like there is a problem with mkinitramfs11:44
cbx33yes11:44
ograhighvoltage, right ... but not that its not there11:45
ograthe error isd inside mkinitramfs somewhere11:45
highvoltageok11:46
ograthe dist-upgrade edgy->edgy worked fine here btw11:47
ograneed to reboot the client, brb11:47
cbx33yeh but your chroot was upto date11:47
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cbx33ogra yours was fully updated before you started though11:54
ograyes11:54
cbx33ok so my question in....am I totally screwed...should I build a new client root?11:55
ograhrm11:55
ograseems the palette of the progress bar is broken again11:55
cbx33oh no11:55
cbx33:(11:55
ograyes, try that 11:55
cbx33do I just delete that entire folder and start again ;)11:55
jsgotangcoi gotta go12:11
jsgotangcohopefully my phone gets fixed real soon now12:11
jsgotangcoim really wanting to go back to normal mode12:11
highvoltagehey jsgotangco! nearly didn't recognise you ;)12:13
jsgotangcohighvoltage: dudeness! i want to cry nowwwww....12:14
jsgotangcochecking email on gprs/3g for a week makes me cry inside12:15
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faffelafhi.. just have a quick question. I installed i386 on a dual athlon, and need to upgade the kernel to smp. Can I just pick a kernel in the repo, or do I need to build a LTSP patched kernel for the purpose.. thx12:19
faffelafSearched for the answer in the docs, but didnt find any answers...12:19
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faffelafhi Ogra12:23
faffelafdo you know if I just can pick a kernel in the ubunu12:23
faffelafups.. do you know if i can just pick a kernel from the ubuntu repo, and use it as it is?12:24
faffelafanyone not sleeping?12:25
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faffelafbrb12:26
highvoltagehey bimberi 12:29
bimberihi highvoltage12:29
bimberihope the business is going well12:30
faffelafhi.. can I ask a simple kernel question?12:31
highvoltagebimberi: thanks, things are coming together nicely :)12:31
highvoltagefaffelaf: sure, although #ubuntu might be able to help you better with non-edubuntu specific questions.12:32
faffelafcan I use the kernels in the ubuntu repo with edubuntu? :)12:32
cbx33where is all the edubuntu handbook stuff now?12:32
faffelafits related with edubuntu12:33
bimberifaffelaf: yes you can12:33
faffelafI remember from the old LTSP days, that an LTSP patch was needed.12:33
faffelafok... thx12:33
bimberifaffelaf: ubuntu and edubuntu share the same repositories, there aren't any edubuntu specific kernels12:34
bimberi(unless i'm very mistaken :-) )12:34
ograyou arent :)12:34
faffelafI'm from denmark, and trying to spread the edubuntu word.12:34
ograthere are no ltsp specific kernels either :)12:35
faffelafok...12:35
faffelafwhat a relief, that will make things even more simple to admin.12:35
ograltsp 5 is completely built from distro packages12:35
cbx33ogra: I'm rebuilding the client root12:36
faffelafthats fedora 12:36
faffelafisnt it12:36
ograwhat is fedora ?12:36
cbx33wpasupplicant is installed? in the root?12:36
ograi think its pulled in by ubuntu-minimal12:36
faffelaf:)12:37
cbx33hehe12:37
ografaffelaf, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp512:37
faffelafanyone here from skolelinux?12:37
cbx33in the X stage now12:37
cbx33ogra: do you know where the handbook is being created now?12:38
cbx33is it on the wiki?12:38
ograno idea12:38
ograHedgeMage would know 12:38
cbx33hehe12:38
cbx33ok np12:38
ograor pygi12:38
cbx33who won;t be here for a few months12:38
faffelafogra: nice link, thank you12:39
ogra:)12:39
ogracbx33, he's sponsored for MV ... 12:39
ograand he said he would read mail12:39
faffelafanyone here making a living, setting up LTSPs on schools etc?12:41
faffelafI just bought two HP t5125 thinclients, anyone had a chance to test them with edubuntu?12:43
ograi dont see a reason they shouldnt work12:44
ograare they PXE based and i386 compatible ?12:44
faffelafyes12:44
ograthen they should work 12:44
faffelafthey will be a part of my demo, or my pilot project on a local school.12:45
faffelafwas just wondering if any of you, in here, had experience with the t5125.12:46
ogranot specifically, no ... i have a ton of clients here, but no HP among them12:47
faffelafI'm so happy with edubuntu, i hope that I can contribute with something in the future, translations, cash, and so on..12:47
ogragreat ! :)12:47
cbx33ogra: I built a new client12:47
cbx33is that all I needed to do12:47
cbx33then reboot?12:47
ograyes, but this time install the security upgrades first 12:48
ograno, you shouldnt need to reboot12:48
faffelafwas using k12ltsp years ago... worked nice, but not in the same leagure as edubuntu. More kids oriented, just what I need.12:48
ogra(no need to copy the sources.list if you didnt install from CD btw)12:48
cbx33ogra: oh I tried to build an edgy one this time12:49
faffelafok. I will do some work now... thx for your time and your patience.12:49
faffelafbye12:49
ogracbx33, heh, then there is no need to upgrade :P12:49
cbx33in anycase, it failed when I reboot my client12:49
cbx33three mount failed lines12:50
cbx33 /root/dev /sys and /proc12:50
ograthe build-client command finished with a sucess message ? 12:52
ogra(and you unmounted proc in the chroot and wiped /opt/ltsp/i386 cleanly ?)12:53
cbx33yes12:54
cbx33well how was I suppose to wipe /opt/ltsp/i38612:55
ograrm -rf 12:55
ograas usual12:55
cbx33yup12:56
cbx33heheh12:56
ograand the client doesnt boot for you ?12:56
cbx33nope12:56
cbx33i got the old splash too12:56
cbx33is that right?12:56
ograyes, you need to reconfigure edubuntu-artwork for it to be installed12:57
cbx33ahh12:57
cbx33ok12:57
cbx33but still...hmmm12:57
ograls /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ?12:57
ograthere should be an i386 dir12:57
cbx33yup12:58
ograand the new /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf should point to it 12:58
ograin the filename variable12:58
cbx33ahhh12:58
cbx33maybe here is the problem12:58
cbx33remember I don;t use the dhcp server from edubutnu12:58
cbx33I use the windows dhcp server here at work12:59
cbx33have some settings changed?12:59
ogracan you check if the local dhcpd.conf points to the right dir first ?12:59
ograand yes, that has changed12:59
cbx33sure12:59
ograbrb 01:00
cbx33yup looks good01:00
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bimberiogra: thanks (for the reassurance that i'm not mistaken regarding kernels) :)01:32
ogra:)01:33
lucasvoI hate these mailinglists+01:34
lucasvoogra: did you get a mail from me which didn't get through?01:35
ogranot that i'm aware of01:35
ograthere is only one bounce message from a mailbox overquota fromn another user ... but nothing from your address01:39
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tomveensWhat are you all doing today?04:18
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tomveensgood!04:20
tomveensIt is raining outside but still have a :) on my face04:20
bddebianNo, not good, not Ubuntu work, my "real" job :-(04:20
tomveensWhat is that job?04:20
bddebianIT Manager04:20
tomveenswhere ?04:21
bddebianPhiladelphia04:21
tomveensrunning ubuntu there?04:21
tomveensI know Philadelphia from a movie with Tom Hanks.04:22
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tomveenswhat kind of company is it?04:23
sbalneavHeh, I'm working too, but I work at an all Linux/LTSP shop. :)04:28
tomveenswhere?04:28
highvoltagesbalneav: thanks to you ;)04:28
tomveenschange jobs for a day?;)04:28
sbalneavLegal Aid Manitoba, up in Canada04:28
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sbalneavGoogle for us, we've had a couple of stories done on us. :)04:29
tomveensbddebian has apache installed04:31
tomveenssuccesfully installed!04:31
bddebianHuh?04:31
tomveenshttp://www.bddebian.com04:32
highvoltageheh04:33
highvoltageoO04:33
highvoltageGnu/HURD? :)04:33
=== highvoltage has never ran apache on that before
bddebianhighvoltage: Well get on it man :)04:42
highvoltage:)04:43
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Lilandrahi09:27
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LaserJockhi Lilandra 09:30
Lilandrahow're things?09:31
LaserJockok09:31
LaserJockand you?09:31
Lilandrafine! i showed my mom edubuntu live-ppc last night09:32
Lilandrashe told me to install it on the laptop so she could take it to work! :)09:32
LaserJockcool09:35
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Lilandrai just have to make sure it all works properly ooooh and download images :)09:36
fafwhere can I set which nic the clients should connect too, or check which nic is defined for the clients? plz 09:37
LaserJockfaf: I'm not exactly sure09:38
fafok09:38
LaserJockI would guess you should look in the dhcpd.conf09:39
Lilandrame neither dont know09:39
fafcould use a graphical interface, just for the ease of it09:39
fafOne interface for all settings :)09:39
Lilandrayou mean which nic you should use to connect to something?09:40
Lilandralike ethernet card1, ethernet card2, wirelesscard1? etc?09:40
fafeth0 for locallan/internet etc.. and DHCPD on eth109:41
Lilandrayes but what do you want to know precisely09:41
fafI have a DHCP on eth0's net already09:41
Lilandraok...09:41
fafyou know std. setup.. with two nics09:42
fafeth0 for the server, and eth1 for the ltsp clents09:43
Lilandraah! i get it now. so now i know for certain i can't help you. i'm sorry09:43
fafwhats the ususal practice... only one nic?09:43
fafdosent make sense to me09:44
Lilandrano...thats not why i cant help. im new to edubuntu and this ltsp thing09:44
Lilandraso i have no clue :)09:44
LaserJockone nic is fairly common09:45
LaserJockhave you seen the documentation for two nic setups?09:45
fafI used it back in 1999-2000 or so.. on a RH.. also used K12ltsp... but this is a little different.09:45
fafI search the docs.09:45
Lilandraah! i know! i was going to install two nics in my desktop...! (not including the wireless nic)09:45
fafWill try to look again09:45
LaserJocksbalneav: ping?09:46
fafjust a normal setup like in the docs.. :http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted09:47
sbalneavLaserJock: pong09:47
LaserJocksbalneav: do you perhaps have a sec to help faf here. He wants a 2 nic LTSP setup and I just don'g know what I'm doing09:48
fafthe thing is that my DHCPD fails09:48
sbalneavfaf: Are you trying to install edgy?09:48
fafwill check the logs09:48
sbalneavIf you are, edgy during the install will automatically find the unused nick, and set it up as the ltsp interface.09:49
sbalneavIf not, then you'll need to to a bit of dhcp magic.09:49
faflooks like I need to write a subnet declaration in dhcpd.conf, for the network segment to which eth1 is attached...09:52
sbalneavfaf: If you need some tips, check out the ltsp wiki at wiki.ltsp.org09:54
sbalneavWe've got a whole section there on dhcp09:55
fafwill do09:55
fafthx09:55
sbalneavNo problem09:55
fafit works now... logging in from my thin clients10:17
LaserJockwahooo10:18
fafvery slow though... need to speed it up somehow.10:18
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fafis lts.conf going into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ .... or ../i386/ ? plz10:28
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