[12:28] ogra: will that wishlist-bug about better login-messages get into edubuntu 7.04? [12:28] ogra: about the ssh key missmatch, wrong pw and so on? === muchdeeper [n=pieter@bak-c-48377.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === DeMoNSeEd [n=DeMoNSeE@bas1-sherbrooke40-1177557023.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #edubuntu === DeMoNSeEd [n=DeMoNSeE@bas1-sherbrooke40-1177557023.dsl.bell.ca] has left #edubuntu [] === Lilandra [n=lilandra@241-10.greendottt.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === Jon335 [n=jon335@unaffiliated/jon335] has joined #edubuntu === toosa_ [n=toosa@202.73.108.83] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === th1a_ [n=th1a@pool-70-109-199-148.prov.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [03:07] Howdy === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-164-179.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [04:29] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/587 === JavierElectrico [i=Javier_E@pc-55-216-239-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:40] hi [04:41] hi [04:42] how are you laser? [04:42] fine === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [04:51] hi ogra === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.39.149] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-58-82-251-252-146.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [08:32] good morning :) [08:32] morning RichEd [08:32] hello highvoltage === willvdl [n=Will@vc-196-207-45-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:51] ping Richard [08:51] RichEd rather [08:51] William : pong [08:55] willvdl: yo don't use tab when typing nicks? === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego_ [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu [10:00] Hi RichEd ... [10:00] brb [10:03] 'lo toosa ... just on my other machine for a bit ... [10:04] hey peeps [10:05] cbx33: I hold my breath ... news / decision ? [10:08] I'm back [10:10] Finaly, my Edubuntu book (indonesian) is published : http://toosa.oo-linux.com/cms/index.php/home/my_book [10:11] The Title mean : Edubuntu a practical guidance for Linux in Education [10:11] :) [10:12] toosa_: Well done ! You'll get a feature article and a featured link on the education community space by the time we release Edgy on the 26th [10:12] thx [10:12] as well as a link to your Ubuntu in Education friendly bog :) [10:13] After all, how many other education software platforms can claim to have a Indonesian guide for Education ! [10:14] toosa_: was it a lot of work ? and was it worth it for self satisfaction ? [10:14] I have no information .. [10:14] first .. i love education [10:15] friendly bog - and agreeable toilet ? [10:15] s/and/an [10:16] I think writing a book in Indonesia still have low reward (in $) ... === RichEd flushes cbx33 down the friendly bog [10:17] toosa_: yes, but it will give you the credibility you need to one day Manage IT and Education for the Indonesian Government ;) [10:17] you right ... [10:18] ping ogra you around yet [10:18] having a little trouble upgrading this chroot [10:19] mostly me and others Linuxers ... still love moves in the grass root, the support form the Govt is still not significant or opensource movement [10:20] or=for [10:20] Is the book thick enough to hit people about the head with ;) [10:20] but, it is bigger time to time ... [10:21] no, the book is only about 128 pages [10:23] Btw, remember with the seminar i have been planed ? It has been rescheduled, until my book is published. [10:28] good ... when is the new date ? [10:31] sorry .. there was a phone call from my wife :D [10:31] at the begining of December 2006 [10:32] So do i have to reorder the CD or you can help me to inform who incharge with the CD to resume my order ? [10:33] :) === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [10:45] brb [10:50] ogra I can't update the chroot [10:50] why ? [10:50] it can't access the net [10:51] I need to mount the proc etc won;t i? [10:51] did you mount proc ? [10:51] I get the can't get hostanme via gethostname [10:51] no not yet [10:51] should I? [10:51] dont forget you need no sudo ;) [10:51] I know [10:51] yep, sorry, i should have told you [10:51] it temporarily fails to resolve hostnames [10:51] I'll add the fstab lines and mount -a [10:51] no ! [10:52] no? [10:52] then remove once I'm done [10:52] dont fiddle with fstab [10:52] ok [10:52] heheh [10:52] is this procedure documented anywhere? [10:52] sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ [10:52] done [10:53] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ mount -t proc proc /proc [10:53] sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/ [10:53] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get update [10:54] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get dist-upgrade [10:54] that should theoretically work === highvoltage jumps up and down excitedly like a crazy person [10:54] hey highvoltage [10:54] hey ogra [10:54] my home internet is back :) [10:54] yay ! [10:54] was installed this morning. after 13 months of disconnectivity [10:55] super, congrats ! [10:55] no still not working [10:55] it's so weird to not have to wait 30 seconds for a web page to start opening :) [10:55] thanks! [10:55] cbx33, whats the error ? [10:55] nice one highvoltage [10:56] same as before [10:56] I am behind a proxy [10:56] so I chroot into....export the http_proxy line [10:56] and then run the apt-get update [10:57] but I still get a failure resolving [10:57] I can ping out [10:57] and you copied /etc/resolv.conf ? [10:57] yes [10:58] hmm, doing the above on my systerm here works fine [10:58] ok [10:58] guess I'll have to fiddle aroudn a little more [11:00] you probably can set the proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf [11:00] that's not the problem [11:00] http::Proxy "123.456.789.001" [11:00] it can't resolve the proxy hostname [11:00] and I have to specify it by name [11:00] so use the ip ;) [11:00] I can't [11:00] why ? [11:01] they do some dodgy clever stuff have the same ip for http https ftp socks [11:01] and it's recognised by the name you request [11:01] we tried before using ips for it and it nver worked [11:01] and you can ping your DNS from the chroot ? [11:01] nope [11:01] unknown server [11:01] aha [11:02] (by ip) [11:02] yes [11:02] thats weird ... [11:02] yup [11:02] what can you ping ? [11:02] I can't ping and DNS [11:02] only ips [11:02] s/and/any [11:02] sure, but can you ping hosts from the same segment the DNS is in ? [11:03] nope [11:03] mounting proc should give you the IP setup from the server [11:03] check your routes [11:03] which it seems to have done [11:03] ifconfig now works [11:03] (route -n) [11:04] looks fine [11:04] is the DNS in your network or is it routed (behind a gateway) ? [11:04] behind gateway === TeePOG [n=arno@196.211.231.162] has joined #edubuntu [11:05] morning guys [11:05] and can you ping your DNS from the server ? [11:05] but route -n matches what I have on my desktop [11:05] hi TeePOG [11:05] indeed I can [11:05] hi ogra mate, how goes? [11:05] fine [11:05] hi cbx33 [11:05] thanks :) === jsgotangco [n=me@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [11:05] hey TeePOG :) [11:05] jerome ! [11:05] noooooooooooooo [11:05] alive again ! [11:05] hi RichEd, owarya? [11:05] jerome: out typhoon survivor ! [11:05] *our [11:05] ogra: on a computer rental station :( [11:06] ON WINDOWS [11:06] eek [11:06] :) [11:06] ok ogra - got it working with ip this time [11:06] good [11:06] i am so frustrated already [11:06] last we tried it on a doze machine so...figures I guess [11:06] jsgotangco: DUDE ! [11:06] jsgotangco: make sure you wear your UbuntuMan underwear for protection ! [11:07] gahhh [11:07] ogra dist-upgrade failed [11:07] usplash and libc6 dependency problem [11:07] RichEd, you mean the thong that even clinto wears ? [11:07] im so frustrated already i want to cry [11:07] *clinton [11:08] please tell me quickly, how do i choose which desktop manager is loaded on ltsp login? [11:08] ogra: mr or mrs ? I'm scared to visualise either ! [11:08] cbx33, hmm, we probably need the dapper security updates first [11:08] ok [11:08] RichEd, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/5388182.stm === RichEd notes the thong is white to hide the monica stains evidence ... but that only helps if clinton is coming and not going. [11:11] *giggle* [11:14] TeePOG, in edgy, you use the session menu ... in dapper and before you need to: sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager [11:14] man im so out of touch [11:14] (or use a ~/.xsession) [11:15] TeePOG, err ... you mean *desktop* manager ... not session manager :) [11:16] SCREEN_07=startx in lts.conf will start an XDMCP session [11:16] erm, yeah... i said desktop manager [11:17] but thanks [11:17] XDMCP will use the desktop manager from the server ... whatever is installed there (thats the old ltsp 4.2 default behavior) [11:17] but note that thats not supported and doesnt have all features ldm has [11:18] (i.e. no local device support, sound is not tested with it etc) [11:18] ogra: it's popped up with the initramfs what shall I do [11:18] cbx33, my edgy upgrade works fine here fwiw [11:18] replace or keep? [11:18] keep [11:19] I have errors [11:20] whilst processing the kernel image [11:20] even with using the dapper security upgrades first ? [11:20] hmm [11:20] hang on [11:20] caan you pastebin that ? [11:21] bah....dude...i screwed up [11:21] i forgot I'd already done the edgy upgrade before the dapper security [11:21] am I totally screwed? [11:22] just pastebin the exact error for me [11:22] ok [11:24] http://pastebin.ca/192862 [11:25] someimtes me being an idiot is good - throws up what a normal user may try and do ;) [11:25] woah ... that surely shouldnt happen [11:26] even if I wasn't totally uptodate to being with? [11:36] ege [11:37] cbx33, we're discussing it in -devel [11:41] cbx33, try if a chrooted dpkg --configure -a solves it (even though i doubt it [11:41] ) [11:42] ok [11:43] still a problem [11:43] same one ? [11:43] i think so yes [11:43] yeh same [11:43] grrr [11:43] cbx33: do you have a /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs? [11:43] apt-get -f install ? [11:44] highvoltage, he wouldnt have a kernel without it [11:44] the linux-image package depends on it [11:44] ogra: still the same problem [11:44] cbx33, did you reboot after upgrading the server (and before upgrading the chroot) ? [11:44] from his output it seems like there is a problem with mkinitramfs [11:44] yes [11:45] highvoltage, right ... but not that its not there [11:45] the error isd inside mkinitramfs somewhere [11:46] ok [11:47] the dist-upgrade edgy->edgy worked fine here btw [11:47] need to reboot the client, brb [11:47] yeh but your chroot was upto date === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-58-82-251-252-146.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [11:54] ogra yours was fully updated before you started though [11:54] yes [11:55] ok so my question in....am I totally screwed...should I build a new client root? [11:55] hrm [11:55] seems the palette of the progress bar is broken again [11:55] oh no [11:55] :( [11:55] yes, try that [11:55] do I just delete that entire folder and start again ;) [12:11] i gotta go [12:11] hopefully my phone gets fixed real soon now [12:11] im really wanting to go back to normal mode [12:13] hey jsgotangco! nearly didn't recognise you ;) [12:14] highvoltage: dudeness! i want to cry nowwwww.... [12:15] checking email on gprs/3g for a week makes me cry inside === faffelaf [n=faf@83.72.201.180.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #edubuntu [12:19] hi.. just have a quick question. I installed i386 on a dual athlon, and need to upgade the kernel to smp. Can I just pick a kernel in the repo, or do I need to build a LTSP patched kernel for the purpose.. thx [12:19] Searched for the answer in the docs, but didnt find any answers... === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:23] hi Ogra [12:23] do you know if I just can pick a kernel in the ubunu [12:24] ups.. do you know if i can just pick a kernel from the ubuntu repo, and use it as it is? [12:25] anyone not sleeping? === bimberi [n=dave@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] brb [12:29] hey bimberi [12:29] hi highvoltage [12:30] hope the business is going well [12:31] hi.. can I ask a simple kernel question? [12:31] bimberi: thanks, things are coming together nicely :) [12:32] faffelaf: sure, although #ubuntu might be able to help you better with non-edubuntu specific questions. [12:32] can I use the kernels in the ubuntu repo with edubuntu? :) [12:32] where is all the edubuntu handbook stuff now? [12:33] its related with edubuntu [12:33] faffelaf: yes you can [12:33] I remember from the old LTSP days, that an LTSP patch was needed. [12:33] ok... thx [12:34] faffelaf: ubuntu and edubuntu share the same repositories, there aren't any edubuntu specific kernels [12:34] (unless i'm very mistaken :-) ) [12:34] you arent :) [12:34] I'm from denmark, and trying to spread the edubuntu word. [12:35] there are no ltsp specific kernels either :) [12:35] ok... [12:35] what a relief, that will make things even more simple to admin. [12:35] ltsp 5 is completely built from distro packages [12:36] ogra: I'm rebuilding the client root [12:36] thats fedora [12:36] isnt it [12:36] what is fedora ? [12:36] wpasupplicant is installed? in the root? [12:36] i think its pulled in by ubuntu-minimal [12:37] :) [12:37] hehe [12:37] faffelaf, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5 [12:37] anyone here from skolelinux? [12:37] in the X stage now [12:38] ogra: do you know where the handbook is being created now? [12:38] is it on the wiki? [12:38] no idea [12:38] HedgeMage would know [12:38] hehe [12:38] ok np [12:38] or pygi [12:38] who won;t be here for a few months [12:39] ogra: nice link, thank you [12:39] :) [12:39] cbx33, he's sponsored for MV ... [12:39] and he said he would read mail [12:41] anyone here making a living, setting up LTSPs on schools etc? [12:43] I just bought two HP t5125 thinclients, anyone had a chance to test them with edubuntu? [12:44] i dont see a reason they shouldnt work [12:44] are they PXE based and i386 compatible ? [12:44] yes [12:44] then they should work [12:45] they will be a part of my demo, or my pilot project on a local school. [12:46] was just wondering if any of you, in here, had experience with the t5125. [12:47] not specifically, no ... i have a ton of clients here, but no HP among them [12:47] I'm so happy with edubuntu, i hope that I can contribute with something in the future, translations, cash, and so on.. [12:47] great ! :) [12:47] ogra: I built a new client [12:47] is that all I needed to do [12:47] then reboot? [12:48] yes, but this time install the security upgrades first [12:48] no, you shouldnt need to reboot [12:48] was using k12ltsp years ago... worked nice, but not in the same leagure as edubuntu. More kids oriented, just what I need. [12:48] (no need to copy the sources.list if you didnt install from CD btw) [12:49] ogra: oh I tried to build an edgy one this time [12:49] ok. I will do some work now... thx for your time and your patience. [12:49] bye [12:49] cbx33, heh, then there is no need to upgrade :P [12:49] in anycase, it failed when I reboot my client [12:50] three mount failed lines [12:50] /root/dev /sys and /proc [12:52] the build-client command finished with a sucess message ? [12:53] (and you unmounted proc in the chroot and wiped /opt/ltsp/i386 cleanly ?) [12:54] yes [12:55] well how was I suppose to wipe /opt/ltsp/i386 [12:55] rm -rf [12:55] as usual [12:56] yup [12:56] heheh [12:56] and the client doesnt boot for you ? [12:56] nope [12:56] i got the old splash too [12:56] is that right? [12:57] yes, you need to reconfigure edubuntu-artwork for it to be installed [12:57] ahh [12:57] ok [12:57] but still...hmmm [12:57] ls /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ? [12:57] there should be an i386 dir [12:58] yup [12:58] and the new /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf should point to it [12:58] in the filename variable [12:58] ahhh [12:58] maybe here is the problem [12:58] remember I don;t use the dhcp server from edubutnu [12:59] I use the windows dhcp server here at work [12:59] have some settings changed? [12:59] can you check if the local dhcpd.conf points to the right dir first ? [12:59] and yes, that has changed [12:59] sure [01:00] brb [01:00] yup looks good === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-146-164-179.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [01:32] ogra: thanks (for the reassurance that i'm not mistaken regarding kernels) :) [01:33] :) [01:34] I hate these mailinglists+ [01:35] ogra: did you get a mail from me which didn't get through? 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[04:18] Hello tomveens [04:18] hello bddebian [04:18] What are you all doing today? [04:19] Working :'-( [04:20] good! [04:20] It is raining outside but still have a :) on my face [04:20] No, not good, not Ubuntu work, my "real" job :-( [04:20] What is that job? [04:20] IT Manager [04:21] where ? [04:21] Philadelphia [04:21] running ubuntu there? [04:22] I know Philadelphia from a movie with Tom Hanks. [04:22] heh [04:22] No it's an all MS shop :-( [04:23] what kind of company is it? [04:28] Heh, I'm working too, but I work at an all Linux/LTSP shop. :) [04:28] where? [04:28] sbalneav: thanks to you ;) [04:28] change jobs for a day?;) [04:28] Legal Aid Manitoba, up in Canada === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [04:29] Google for us, we've had a couple of stories done on us. :) [04:31] bddebian has apache installed [04:31] succesfully installed! [04:31] Huh? [04:32] http://www.bddebian.com [04:33] heh [04:33] oO [04:33] Gnu/HURD? :) === highvoltage has never ran apache on that before [04:42] highvoltage: Well get on it man :) [04:43] :) === skoger [n=skoger@200.87.20.1] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.39.149] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-29-82-248-214-35.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFE34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lilandra [n=lilandra@241-10.greendottt.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:27] hi === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [09:30] hi Lilandra [09:31] how're things? [09:31] ok [09:31] and you? [09:32] fine! i showed my mom edubuntu live-ppc last night [09:32] she told me to install it on the laptop so she could take it to work! :) [09:35] cool === faf [n=faf@0x55515366.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #edubuntu [09:36] i just have to make sure it all works properly ooooh and download images :) [09:37] where can I set which nic the clients should connect too, or check which nic is defined for the clients? plz [09:38] faf: I'm not exactly sure [09:38]