[12:38] <porkpie_> BenC:hi
[12:39] <porkpie_> BenC:has it failed again ?/
[01:48] <porkpie_> BenC:are you still here
[03:42] <tritium> BenC: I believe jldugger is correct.  My bug is the same as #61979.
[04:21] <poptones> hello?
[04:22] <poptones> pingaling, i have a question about tv cards
[04:23] <poptones> hello?
[04:27] <crimsun> just ask, and if someone can answer, (s)he will.
[04:55] <BenC> anyone here have ich8 chipset machine that uses the achi driver?
[09:56] <tormod> BenC, prism2 now works! thanks. But why is there no /proc/net/p80211?
[09:58] <tfheen> hi tormod
[11:49] <gnomefreak> heres a weird question that might be very important for dapper. why does libc6-dev depend on a kernel dapper doesnt use?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> heres te depends for it http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libdevel/libc6-dev
[11:49] <gnomefreak> nvm its >
[12:05] <infinity> It doesn't depend on a kernel at all.
[12:38] <gnomefreak> infinity: from that link it says it depends on linux-headers-2.6.11 or greater
[12:39] <infinity> Not "linux-headers", but "linux-kernel-headers", which are the userspace headers, and not directly tied to the running kernel in any way.
[12:39] <infinity> We've rnamed that package in edgy to "linux-libc-dev" to be a bit less confusing to people.
[12:41] <gnomefreak> yeah i saw that but he wants us to change those packages so he can run his 3rd party app
[12:42] <infinity> ...?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> infinity: he saying the linux-headers-2.6.11 is not right for his program
[12:45] <infinity> Err, why not?
[12:45] <infinity> No runtime application should care what headers you have installed, and I've not run into anything that wouldn't compile on dapper.
[12:46] <gnomefreak> infinity: i dont know let me see if i cant find his complaint
[12:47] <gnomefreak> roconnor > gnomefreak: my program that I downloaded uses the  PAGE_SIZE in a statically allocated array.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> roconnor > gnomefreak: but in linux-headers, one has #define  PAGE_SIZE       (1UL << PAGE_SHIFT)
[12:51] <infinity> He shouldn't include asm/page.h anyway, but use sysconf() to get PAGE_SIZE
[12:51] <gnomefreak> http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~zandy/ckpt/ is what he is building
[12:52] <gnomefreak> i told him it was his script/code that wasnt calling it correctly but he insists its "our" fault
[12:53] <infinity> Tell him to use sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE) instead of the PAGE_SIZE constant, and it'll be all good.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> ok
[12:55] <infinity> A newer set of userspace kernel headers won't suddenly make using PAGE_SIZE correct, I assure you.
[12:55] <infinity> I've been eradicating PAGE_SIZE usage left, right, and centre for the last year.
[12:55] <gnomefreak> ah 
[02:33] <porkpie_> BenC:are you in today ???
[03:38] <BenC> zul, kylem: Please add your email addresses to https://wiki.canonical.com/UdsMountainViewSponsorships
[03:40] <zul> BenC: we need a password to get into that
[03:40] <zul> but its zulcss@gmail.com 
[03:40] <BenC> Ah, that's right, it's canonical wiki
[03:46] <kylem> feel free to just add my email (kyle@mcmartin.ca)
[03:48] <BenC> thanks
[03:48] <BenC> if either of you need anything or have any questions, email me or Claire Newman
[03:49] <zul> ok 
[03:49] <TheBearded1_> anybody in here know anything about the difference between -general and -386 linux-image packages?
[03:51] <kylem> BenC, ok, cool, cheers
[03:52] <crispin_> Guys, I was wondering if you have an insight into why the ubuntu (dapper) kernel was about 10% slower for tcp traffic than a stock 2.6.15 kernel. We have a benchmark that does about 87000 connections per second under 2.6.15, but only 75000 under the ubuntu kernel
[03:57] <tonfa> crimsun: same sysctl settings ?
[04:19] <porkpie_> BenC:hi any luck with the kernel ???
[04:34] <BenC> porkpie_: I need to upload it, and my sat connection is real messed up because of this storm
[04:35] <porkpie_> BenC:ok ...no problem ...let me know when 
[04:35] <porkpie_> BenC:where are you located ..
[04:36] <BenC> virginia
[04:37] <zul> BenC: : i have the xen crack merged for 2.6.19 i just have to showhorn the debian/rules et al
[04:37] <infinity> zul: Say, speaking of Xen...
[04:37] <infinity> zul: How many more upload before the FTBFS goes away? :)
[04:37] <BenC> lol
[04:38] <zul> this upload should build fine
[04:38] <infinity> "this"...?
[04:38] <infinity> As in, your next one? :)
[04:39] <zul> the one im uploading right now
[04:39] <infinity> kylem: Ooo, you're going to be in Mountain View?
[04:40] <kylem> yessir.
[04:40] <infinity> Spiff.  Would be cool to meet after all these years.
[04:40] <kylem> indeed!
[04:41] <infinity> We can sit around saying "eh" and "aboot" and such.
[04:41] <infinity> Or, as I generally request of Jeff, bring me maple syrup, and other reminders of home. :)
[04:41] <kylem> :)
[04:41] <thom> and then i can laugh at infinity saying aboot in an aussie accent
[04:42] <infinity> Oh, ouch.  That sounds like it would hurt just trying.
[04:42] <infinity> Adding a dipthong to the "oo" in "aboot" would probably break me.
[04:43] <thom> heh
[04:44] <infinity> diphthong, even.  Zofia would kill me for misspelling that.
[04:45] <mjg59> infinity: You can drink Pimms!
[04:45] <infinity> You'll have to force it down my gullet.
[04:46] <mjg59> Get with the program
[04:46] <infinity> I look forward to being in a country that knows what a Long island Iced Tea is, though.
[04:46] <mjg59> Kernel hackers + Pimms = goodness
[04:47] <zul> kylem: ylejust bring some american maple syrup they wont nkow the differences..
[04:47] <zul> stupid lag
[04:47] <kylem> cruel. :)
[04:48] <infinity> I'm pretty sure I couldn't tell you the difference between Vermont and south-east Ontario, unless I saw landmarks, so I doubt the syup's much different.
[04:49] <zul> heh south-east ontario is flat and vermount is not :)
[04:50] <infinity> zul: I'm a westerner, I'm ignorant of these things.  I just know that both have maple trees. :)
[04:56] <zul> lol
[04:56] <infinity> Besides, I'm sure I'd consider both flat, given that I grew up in the rockies.
[04:57] <zul> heh im originally from vancouver
[06:44] <mjg59> BenC: That ata_piix change is going to nuke some other hardware support
[06:45] <BenC> mjg59: I'm going to look over the diff and try to backport the other stuff...problem is the new driver is a regression
[06:45] <mjg59> Sure
[06:45] <mjg59> Just making sure you know it may hit something else :)
[06:46] <mjg59> My suspicion would be the ich8_map_db stuff
[06:46] <mjg59> One of those entries may be incorrect and mapping the ports to the wrong thing
[06:48] <BenC> I wish someone who had the time and hw could work on it
[06:48] <BenC> right now, I'm working on it from remote, and at 1 second latency, ssh really sucks
[06:49] <mjg59> I'm supposed to be getting an ICH8 board, but I've no idea how long it'll take
[06:49] <mjg59> Can't you get Mark to spring for one?
[06:50] <BenC> not sure I can get it in time
[06:51] <BenC> let me ask him
[06:51] <BenC> I have 4 spare xeon procs, maybe I can just pick up a mobo
[06:51] <mjg59> The right sort of Xeons?
[06:51] <BenC> latest ones, marked Intel Confidential :)
[06:51] <mjg59> Ah
[06:51] <mjg59> Ought to do :)
[06:52] <BenC> 2@2.6hz, and 2@3ghz
[06:53] <thom> 3GHz woodcrests? shiny
[07:05] <BenC> (II) I810(0): direct rendering: Enabled
[07:05] <BenC> sweet, fixes i965
[07:32] <zul> gar...redhat..
[07:35] <zul> yay it works
[07:35] <zul>     * edgy i386 Successfully built
[07:35] <zul>     * edgy amd64 Successfully built
[07:35] <infinity> zul: Processing new queue now.
[07:35] <zul> sweet..
[07:35] <zul> i told you..:)
[07:37] <infinity> You told me the last few uploads would build too. :P
[07:37] <zul> yeah i know..
[07:37] <zul> meh...
[07:39] <infinity> Oh, since this is an ubuntu-specific source package, can you do me a huge favour and change your section in debian/control from "base" to "universe/optional", so I can stop manually overriding evey single package? :)
[07:40] <infinity> Err, not universe/optional, but universe/base, I guess.
[07:40] <infinity> Or whatever.  Just get the "universe/" in there for everything.
[07:41] <zul> sure..
[10:53] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[10:58] <rouzic> Hi all
[11:00] <rouzic> I have a problem with the modules madwifi-ng of the kernel in Edgy
[11:17] <gnomefreak> rouzic: you might be better off asking in #ubuntu
[12:12] <porkpie_> BenC:Are we getting there ?