=== ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === gaz00 [n=gaz00@d198-53-178-2.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === tonyyaru1so [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === cpk2 [n=cpk1@sjs-130-65-211-65.sjsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:53] hi, I am curious if you guys do billboard ads? [03:54] cpk2: Probably out of our scope. [03:54] cpk2: but who knows :) [03:55] I started out with stickers, now I'm doing posters... [03:55] hrmm, just wondering because I saw an ubuntu billboard ad the other day and wondering how it happened [03:55] hehe :) [03:55] It's a big secret, they didn't tell us much about it. [03:55] You live in California, right? [03:55] yeah, it was on the way into san francisco [03:55] yep [03:56] just wondering how the ubuntu team managed to get the resources for it =P [03:56] It's Canonical's work, AFAIK. [03:56] canonical has a benevolent dictator at the helm :) [03:56] ooohh [03:56] yeah i cant imagine billboard space on the main freeway into san francisco being cheap =) === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:58] does canonical rely solely on donations? [03:58] canonical does, yes, from one person [03:59] but ubuntu has quite a community behind it [03:59] people who do things for the good of ubuntu off their own back [04:01] oh, some more reading at canonical reveals that they sell support [04:01] well... canonical has profits too :) [04:01] exactly [04:01] canonical is a commercial company like any other... [04:01] ...except it pours insane cash into Ubuntu. [04:01] [04:01] :) [04:01] oo unicode smiley [04:02] [04:02] [04:02] \o/ [04:02] so where can i get these posters then ? :) [04:02] hehe [04:03] hehe... from me, of course. [04:03] what do they look like and how do I get them? [04:03] why doesnt ubuntu have an "ubuntu gear" webpage? =) [04:03] They will look like this: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Posters/HanZo/poster-v01.jpg [04:03] (approx) [04:03] cpk2: they do - cafepress [04:03] cpk2: I'm working on one :) [04:03] rigth [04:04] nice, like it [04:04] oh cool [04:04] different - I'm working on a website with community supplied marketing material. [04:04] and marketing howto's [04:05] jenda: so a webpage that is kinda like a howto spread the ubuntu word? and some tools to help people with that I guess? [04:05] In any case, just drop an email to jenda at ubuntu dot com if you want a poster. They should be ready in about two weeks, and a good rule of thumb on the price is between $1 and 1 per poster + 2/$3 shipping. [04:05] cpk2: yep [04:05] the posters will be A3 [04:08] ok, guys... it's 4 AM here, so I think it's a suitable time for bed :) [04:08] :) [04:08] Good night. [04:08] nn [04:08] night, reading your wiki atm =) === Cogito_ergo_sum [n=c27@201.211.20.78] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [04:13] (It's probably very outdated... but it reminds me to check it from time to time... :) ) === Cogito_ergo_sum [n=c27@201.211.20.78] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["Ex-Chat"] [04:14] some cool ideas, I had no idea ubuntu was trying to be such a force [04:15] [04:15] "trying" :D [04:16] well I feel like it already is as easy to install as windows, which helps, its just after you install it getting all those windows things you did before to work (media being the biggest problem) [04:16] i think thats probably one of the biggest marketing problems =\ [04:17] cpk2: You can thank american patent law for those problems. imho [04:17] And the lame trend of non-free proprietary standards, ie wmv/ram/mov. [04:18] yes, but once people are used to using those standards they dont want to have to switch to ogg and stuff when they already have stuff in non-free format [04:18] and drivers - nvidia/wireless [04:18] I think once open document format starts to gain momentum, people will realize the benefits of open standards. and things might change [04:18] Look how great html can be as an open standard. [04:18] Just one sencence before I leave... :) If you consider the huge amount of effort and manpower that has to be mustered to create something as complex as an OS at Ubuntu's quality level, you must reach the conclusion that the people have strong motivation... and when you assume that there must be a certain number of people who have the same motivation, but not the capabilities to actually improve the SW itself, you inevitably have a huge amount [04:18] of non-tech workforce, and thus Ubuntu becomes a 'force'. [04:18] yeah, open office is really great [04:18] I'm one of those people :) I find other ways to support the cause. [04:19] no cpk2 not open office, open document formats.. [04:19] not the same [04:19] And as for the media stuff, cpk2, please check easyubuntu.freecontrib.org [04:19] ogg(theora+vorbis) is awesome [04:19] [04:19] heh [04:19] A lot of video game manufacturers(most of them) use this video for playing videos in their games. [04:20] Since it's an open standard/patent free === jenda is off, sorry. [04:20] o/ [04:20] But real player / windows media player / quicktime all want to push their proprietary non-free standards and usually don't support ogg(theora+vorbis) by default. [04:21] popey: I see, but wow odf is really new [04:21] things will change, hopefully people will realize their data is in non-free proprietary formats and will want them to be in free(libre) open formats. for better interoperability [04:21] yeah, we have had some experience of making videos in our Linux User Group, making ones that play on everything is impossible [04:21] you have to have multiple formats [04:21] one for windows, one for everyone else [04:21] popey: Or just do what my lug does, only release ogg(theora+vorbis) [04:21] And link to codecs for win32 and mac. [04:21] yeah, but lots of potential lug members are on windows [04:22] and using desktops they don't control [04:22] like in a corporate environment [04:22] popey: so, they can watch ogg(theora+vorbis) on windows. [04:22] popey: So portable apps vlc [04:22] not if they don't control the desktop [04:22] They don't need to install it, just run it. [04:22] some people just flat can't do that [04:22] we want to be as accessible as possible [04:23] I don't want to cut out people because we're too bloody-minded to make videos available for them [04:23] eh, I like pushing open standardized formats. [04:23] we had very lengthy heated discussions about this [04:23] yeah, and we do [04:23] I don't want to release non-free formats and encourage them. [04:23] we do stuff in ogg [04:23] we aren't encouraging them [04:23] we are making it accessible [04:23] anyway, that's what we do [04:23] People will just pick what is easy. [04:23] yea [04:24] and then they get to watch our video [04:24] which is probably the non-free format for the windows users [04:24] that's the key point [04:24] that's fine [04:24] I just flat don't care [04:24] I want them to watch the video [04:24] flv is interesting [04:24] it's 'winning' [04:24] cos people don't want to care about codecs, players, etc [04:24] yeah, we upload to google video too :) [04:24] yea, looks like flv will be big [04:24] I hope gnash does a good job reverse engineering flv [04:25] or *HAH!* adobe opens up flash [04:25] [04:25] hehe [04:25] They opened PDF [04:26] It's got some patents, but it's royalty free(gratis) and they call it an open standard. [04:26] hence xpdf/gpdf/kpdf using it. [04:27] But big media regimes have a lot of money. So I doubt Adobe will open flash considering it's purpose. [04:29] You can upload ogg(theora+vorbis) to Google video? [04:29] if