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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 06 Oct 10:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 14:00 UTC: MOTU | 10 Oct 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 12:00 UTC: Community Council | ||
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| lguerra | @schedule bogota | 05:34 |
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| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Bogota: 06 Oct 05:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 09:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 15:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 15:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 07:00: Community Council | 05:34 |
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| nixternal | @schedule chicago | 06:18 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Chicago: 06 Oct 05:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 09:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 15:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 15:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 07:00: Community Council | 06:18 |
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| unix_infidel | 4am accesibility meeting? | 08:17 |
| robitaille | it's not 4m for everyone around the world :) | 08:18 |
| unix_infidel | granted, but it sounds like my old job :) | 08:19 |
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| Cabb | How many hours left to the accessibility meeting? | 09:18 |
| robitaille | 2.5 hours | 09:21 |
| robitaille | it's 7:21 UTC..and the meeting is at 10:00 UTC | 09:22 |
| Cabb | Good, then I'll be able to make it. Always have trouble with these timezones | 09:24 |
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| robitaille | @schedule UTC | 09:27 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 06 Oct 10:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 14:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 20:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 12:00: Community Council | 09:27 |
| robitaille | @schedule US/Pacific | 09:27 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for US/Pacific: 06 Oct 03:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 07:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 13:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 13:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 05:00: Community Council | 09:27 |
| robitaille | @schedule pacific | 09:28 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Canada/Pacific: 06 Oct 03:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 07:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 13:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 13:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 05:00: Community Council | 09:28 |
| robitaille | @schedule pacific-new | 09:28 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for US/Pacific-New: 06 Oct 03:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 07:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 13:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 13:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 05:00: Community Council | 09:28 |
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| GNAM | @schedule rome | 10:15 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 06 Oct 12:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 10:15 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Accessibility Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 09 Oct 14:00 UTC: MOTU | 10 Oct 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 12:00 UTC: Community Council | ||
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| dholbach | Hello everybody | 11:59 |
| TheMuso | Hey dholbach. | 11:59 |
| dholbach | Ok, who's here fo the Accessibilty Team meeting? :) | 12:00 |
| === TheMuso raises his hand. | ||
| === heno hello | ||
| jonsd | Just listening, in case any questions about eSpeak TTS | 12:01 |
| dholbach | hi jonsd | 12:01 |
| dholbach | Shall we wait until 10:05 for people being a bit late? | 12:01 |
| heno | sounds good | 12:01 |
| TheMuso | I'm in no hurry. | 12:01 |
| dholbach | else it'd be nice and cozy and just the 4 of us ;-) | 12:01 |
| heno | agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda | 12:01 |
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| heno | Joanie: good morning! | 12:03 |
| Joanie | hey henrik!! | 12:03 |
| TheMuso | Hey Joanie | 12:03 |
| Joanie | hey luke! | 12:03 |
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| dholbach | hi Joanie | 12:04 |
| Joanie | Hi Daniel | 12:04 |
| Cabb | Hello | 12:04 |
| dholbach | hi Cabb | 12:05 |
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| === heno introduces dholbach and Joanie via their blogs http://blog.carrolltech.org/ http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/ | ||
| dholbach | hehe :-) | 12:05 |
| heno | Not sure if you've met | 12:05 |
| dholbach | Nice to meet you ;) | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 12:06 |
| Joanie | thanks Henrik. I see Daniel on the list | 12:06 |
| heno | jsgotangco: evening | 12:06 |
| Joanie | will check out the blog too | 12:06 |
| dholbach | Ok, let's get going :) | 12:06 |
| dholbach | as heno already pointed out, our agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda | 12:06 |
| heno | Right, point 1: Edgy | 12:06 |
| heno | I tested the live CD yesterday and the F5 options still do not work :( | 12:07 |
| TheMuso | Being looked into. | 12:07 |
| TheMuso | Part of the problem has already been found. :) | 12:07 |
| dholbach | Ah nice... | 12:07 |
| heno | cool | 12:08 |
| TheMuso | Tollef knows about that one. | 12:08 |
| jsgotangco | nice | 12:08 |
| TheMuso | That should see the blindness profile fixed. | 12:08 |
| === heno heh, glances at #u-devel | ||
| TheMuso | Need to test others | 12:08 |
| TheMuso | I also intend to see what Riddell has done with the kubuntu accessibility profiles. | 12:09 |
| TheMuso | I am actually rsyncing the latest CD images now. | 12:10 |
| TheMuso | For ubuntu at least. | 12:10 |
| dholbach | heno: you wanted to do a roundup of Edgy's features? | 12:10 |
| TheMuso | Well for a start, we have moved from gnopernicus to Orca, partly due to GNOME doing the same thing. | 12:11 |
| heno | ok so we have the live CD boot menu which should do: | 12:11 |
| dholbach | heno, TheMuso: first of all: thanks for all the efforts you put into Edgy. This time the a11y team was much more organised and focused and what we achieved is really really good. | 12:11 |
| heno | 1. 'High Contrast' - Use Gnome High Contrast Large Print theme | 12:11 |
| heno | 2. 'Magnifier' - Set AT-SPI on and the default Magnifier (as before) | 12:11 |
| heno | 3. 'Screen reader' - Set AT-SPI on and the default Screen reader (as before) | 12:11 |
| heno | 4. 'Keyboard modifiers' - Set sticky keys and mouse keys (as before) | 12:11 |
| heno | 5. 'On-screen keyboard' - Launch the default Gnome on-screen keyboard (we skipped this in Dapper, reintroducing) | 12:11 |
| heno | on kubuntu: | 12:12 |
| heno | 1. 'High Contrast' - Use KDE High Contrast Large Print theme | 12:12 |
| heno | 2. 'Magnifier' - Launch kmag on starting session | 12:12 |
| heno | 3. 'Keyboard modifiers' - Set sticky keys | 12:12 |
| heno | 4. 'Keyboard and mouse modifiers' - Set sticky keys and mouse keys and mouse click tool | 12:12 |
| heno | another big change is onBoard replacing GOK | 12:13 |
| dholbach | yeah - it's good to have that done now. :) | 12:13 |
| heno | which is simpler but more responsive and stable | 12:13 |
| heno | dholbach: yep, great! | 12:14 |
| heno | we've optedto go with new technologies this time, almost on principle | 12:14 |
| heno | (the edgy release) | 12:14 |
| dholbach | I know that we had a lot of support requests on the mailing list - but how is the general feedback right now? | 12:15 |
| heno | we also have speakup compiled into the kernel by default | 12:15 |
| jsgotangco | i thought it was already approved for such? | 12:15 |
| heno | many of the support brequests are of course of a general Linux nature | 12:16 |
| TheMuso | brb guys | 12:16 |
| dholbach | That was my impression too | 12:16 |
| heno | perhaps we could recruit some help from the general user list to help answer those | 12:16 |
| TheMuso | back | 12:17 |
| TheMuso | Ok speakup is not actually in the kernel, it is modules | 12:17 |
| heno | I don't always know the answers ... :) | 12:17 |
| dholbach | or... at some stage... split the lists into a11y-user and a11y-devel or something | 12:17 |
| dholbach | hehe | 12:17 |
| === dholbach hugs heno | ||
| TheMuso | Thats an idea. | 12:17 |
| dholbach | (me neither) :) | 12:17 |
| heno | dholbach: I agree. This might be the time, before the release | 12:18 |
| TheMuso | I have decided to put an audio tutorial together once edgy is released. | 12:18 |
| TheMuso | For accessibility. | 12:18 |
| Joanie | cool luke! | 12:18 |
| heno | If we can agree on that I can email RT about it | 12:18 |
| Joanie | agree on splitting the lists? | 12:18 |
| heno | yes | 12:18 |
| TheMuso | I certainly agree. | 12:18 |
| Joanie | i agree | 12:18 |
| TheMuso | I don't think many people will want all the bug reports in their inboxes. | 12:19 |
| Joanie | hehehe that's one of the reasons I'm agreeing :_ | 12:19 |
| TheMuso | How many people subscribed to the list now? | 12:19 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: hang on | 12:19 |
| heno | in fact some users have said the were weary of posting to the list because the content seemed to technical | 12:19 |
| heno | so it should suit many users to split as well | 12:19 |
| dholbach | 97 | 12:19 |
| heno | wow | 12:20 |
| TheMuso | wow indeed. | 12:20 |
| Joanie | alot of the questions seem to be orca specific too, it would be nice to get them directed to the orca list | 12:20 |
| dholbach | I think we can keep ubuntu-accessibility@ for the user list | 12:20 |
| dholbach | so nobody needs to change that one | 12:20 |
| Joanie | cool | 12:20 |
| heno | dholbach: agreed | 12:20 |
| TheMuso | Yeah. | 12:20 |
| dholbach | ubuntu-a11y-devel@ maybe | 12:20 |
| dholbach | so the name doesn't get too long | 12:20 |
| heno | Joanie: yes, we can have a policy of suggesting that | 12:20 |
| TheMuso | Makes sense. | 12:20 |
| heno | and the reverse too | 12:20 |
| Joanie | yep | 12:20 |
| heno | I do see some general 'do you know of a good backup app for ubuntu' questions on the orca list too | 12:21 |
| Joanie | agreed, but there is a second underlying question: "good" = accessible | 12:21 |
| Joanie | the orca wiki is shaping up and I hope to do some writing to contribute to that effort | 12:22 |
| Joanie | so that we can point people there | 12:22 |
| heno | true, but we are passing them on to another list where that will also be implied | 12:22 |
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| heno | looks like we have skipped to agenda point #3, which is fine | 12:23 |
| heno | any new team members or ubuntu users here who would like to say 'hi'? | 12:23 |
| hittsjunk | Hi | 12:24 |
| Cabb | hi! :) | 12:24 |
| TheMuso | Hi guys. | 12:24 |
| dholbach | hi hittsjunk, hi Cabb - nice to meet you | 12:24 |
| heno | Welcome :) | 12:24 |
| Joanie | okay, hey :) | 12:24 |
| TheMuso | I still wonder though, if IRC still seems daunting for some. | 12:24 |
| dholbach | Are you on the accessibililty list too? | 12:24 |
| hittsjunk | yes | 12:24 |
| Cabb | I am on the launchpad list | 12:24 |
| dholbach | Did you have a chance to test Edgy's a11y features already? | 12:25 |
| TheMuso | Hey Kenny. Nice to see you here. | 12:25 |
| hittsjunk | I installed it from a Cd a few weeks ago without sighed help. | 12:25 |
| Cabb | I haven't tried Edgy yet no | 12:26 |
| heno | hittsjunk: that's very cool! did you run Orca as root? | 12:26 |
| Cabb | I've been experimenting with full-screen magnification using VMWare | 12:26 |
| heno | hittsjunk: would you mind trying the Live CD installer again to see if it's more useable with the new ubiquity/orca script? | 12:27 |
| hittsjunk | Yes, I also used speakup. | 12:27 |
| hittsjunk | sure | 12:27 |
| heno | (you don't have to complete the install obviously) | 12:27 |
| hittsjunk | IK have friends who want to install Edgy, but they are waiting on on a more accessible instll. | 12:28 |
| TheMuso | I found a weird problem with ubiquity the other day with the beta release. I need to try again once I have the latest image to see if the problem still exists. | 12:28 |
| TheMuso | There are certainly parts of the install that aren't very usable. | 12:28 |
| heno | Is the partitioner still the worst spot, or city selection? | 12:28 |
| heno | Does it help to run gparted separately ahead of time? | 12:29 |
| TheMuso | The hardest bit is reading the text at the top of the window about the current settings you have to make. It is impossible unless you use flat review. | 12:29 |
| TheMuso | And since I was doing the install on a notebook, I couldn't use flat review. | 12:29 |
| heno | TheMuso: when did you try this,. before or after the custom script was added? | 12:30 |
| heno | (a week or so ago) | 12:30 |
| TheMuso | I think after the script was added. | 12:30 |
| TheMuso | What does the script do? | 12:30 |
| === heno intends to bet a USB numpad for that purpose | ||
| TheMuso | heno: Thats not the point. | 12:31 |
| heno | it's an orca sript for ubiquity, meant to smooth out rough edges | 12:31 |
| TheMuso | Next release, we really really need to do something about getting a laptop layout into Orca. | 12:31 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 12:31 |
| heno | Agree, laptops need better support | 12:32 |
| heno | did they basically copy the keybindings from gnopernicus? | 12:32 |
| heno | (going back 5 years or whatever) | 12:33 |
| hittsjunk | no, from speakup | 12:33 |
| heno | ah, heh | 12:33 |
| TheMuso | The biggest problem with working out a laptop keymap is deciding what key to use as a modifier key. | 12:33 |
| TheMuso | Like what insert is used for now. | 12:33 |
| heno | this would be a good place to standardise btw | 12:33 |
| heno | and laptop support is a good excuse to change it everywhere | 12:34 |
| heno | at least introduce an alternative layout | 12:34 |
| heno | that is the same on all screen readers and move towards that | 12:35 |
| === heno dislikes the insert key | ||
| TheMuso | We need to ask the X guys whether it is possible for an application to request that the X server only turn capslock on if capslock is double-pressed or something. | 12:35 |
| TheMuso | The insert key makes sense on a desktop keyboard, as you just use numpad 0. | 12:36 |
| heno | ok, we're getting a bit technical now though :) | 12:36 |
| dholbach | :) | 12:36 |
| heno | let's talk to the X and kernel guys and write some specs | 12:37 |
| dholbach | Looking at the a11y bugs in Edgy, we don't look too bad: https://launchpad.net/people/accessibility/+packagebugs | 12:37 |
| dholbach | we should mark the real blockers we have with the ubuntu-6.10 milestone | 12:37 |
| heno | is rodarvus here? | 12:37 |
| dholbach | are there any you can think of | 12:37 |
| dholbach | heno: he might not be up yet | 12:37 |
| heno | I wonder if the GOK bug could be solved by reducing default wacom support | 12:38 |
| heno | it's not very common and seems to cause other problems as well | 12:38 |
| heno | who do we need a green light from on that, mdz? | 12:38 |
| heno | rodarvus: seems to support the move | 12:39 |
| heno | and it 'fixes' GOK | 12:39 |
| dholbach | I'll add you two to 'ubuntu-qa' | 12:39 |
| dholbach | then we can mark the bugs appropriately | 12:39 |
| heno | I might be there already | 12:39 |
| === TheMuso is mulling over the festival bug. | ||
| TheMuso | Need to pull that down and have a look. | 12:40 |
| dholbach | heno: you are | 12:40 |
| rodarvus | heno, I'm here, but not really :) | 12:41 |
| rodarvus | (7:40am here) | 12:41 |
| === dholbach hugs rodarvus | ||
| rodarvus | just need to take my daughter to school before I arrive for real ;) | 12:41 |
| === rodarvus hugs dholbach back | ||
| heno | do any of the new users have any comments about the community process? How easy is it to figure out where to start contributing? does access.ubuntu.com help? | 12:41 |
| heno | I guess we should have more frequent meetings :) | 12:42 |
| dholbach | absolutely | 12:42 |
| TheMuso | Indeed. | 12:42 |
| dholbach | so apart from the gok and the festival/gnome-speech thing? | 12:42 |
| dholbach | the at-spi-registryd thingie | 12:42 |
| dholbach | what else? | 12:42 |
| heno | Perhaps we could set up a mentoring system to get going with the AT tools | 12:42 |
| TheMuso | I haven't had any real problems with that for ages now. | 12:42 |
| heno | things like Orca | 12:43 |
| heno | we can start by collecting volunteers on a wiki page | 12:43 |
| === Cabb loves wikis | ||
| heno | and if we get 3-4 we can 'announce' it as a support option | 12:43 |
| TheMuso | heno: The problem is essentially that if people have no proven way of getting Linux/Ubuntu set up, it can often be quite difficult for them to do so. | 12:43 |
| TheMuso | Sometimes it can very much be a hit and miss affair for many people. | 12:44 |
| heno | TheMuso: right, but there are little tricks that others know | 12:44 |
| TheMuso | Thats true. | 12:44 |
| heno | like running orca as root to install | 12:44 |
| Cabb | I'll have to try that | 12:44 |
| heno | dholbach: the casper setting | 12:44 |
| heno | (being worked on) | 12:45 |
| dholbach | heno: we should make sure the crucial bits are on that list | 12:45 |
| dholbach | I think we're in quite a good shape | 12:45 |
| heno | yep | 12:45 |
| dholbach | apart from having to gag apport or fix the stuff ;) | 12:45 |
| heno | \o/ that's a plan! | 12:45 |
| dholbach | :-) | 12:46 |
| heno | and fix the rest by running everything as root always | 12:46 |
| jonsd | I tried Edgy-beta. Can't access internet: "Network not accessible". Works OK with Dapper. Is that a know problem or should I report it somewhere? | 12:46 |
| heno | jonsd: a typical regular ubuntu problem of some kind | 12:47 |
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| heno | jonsd: do you prefer IRC, mail or forums | 12:47 |
| jonsd | First time today on IRC | 12:47 |
| heno | you should be able to get good help through any of those methods in the standard channels | 12:48 |
| dholbach | woohoo - ewlcome! :) | 12:48 |
| heno | so the ubuntu user mailing list, the general help forum section | 12:48 |
| heno | or on #ubuntu | 12:48 |
| TheMuso | If you are new to IRC< I suggest trying to avoid #ubuntu if you can. | 12:49 |
| heno | might also try a local group near you for less traffic | 12:49 |
| TheMuso | Things move very fast in there. | 12:49 |
| jonsd | Thanks, I'll do that. I expect internet works OK for most people or they;d fix it :-) | 12:49 |
| heno | right so it's likely a config thing | 12:49 |
| heno | that someone should be able to help you with | 12:50 |
| jonsd | Live CD should work automatially? | 12:50 |
| heno | if you give enough details | 12:50 |
| TheMuso | Depends on your network configuration. | 12:50 |
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| jonsd | OK, anyway, I'll raise this in a mor approprate place | 12:50 |
| dholbach | Great to have you guys here. | 12:51 |
| dholbach | Should we talk about assigning those important bugs to people at another place? | 12:51 |
| heno | shall we talk briefly about the next meeting then? | 12:51 |
| dholbach | OK | 12:52 |
| dholbach | Do you think we should have one before the release? | 12:52 |
| heno | dholbach: yes I think so | 12:52 |
| TheMuso | Is there anybody involved with a11y going to be at the uds? | 12:52 |
| heno | we should harvest some ideas for UDS | 12:52 |
| heno | which is quite soon after release | 12:53 |
| dholbach | heno: Ok, that's a valid point. | 12:53 |
| heno | TheMuso: yes Chris Jones is going and likely some local Sun guys | 12:53 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 12:53 |
| dholbach | (although I might be busy with other release stuff) | 12:53 |
| dholbach | Two weeks from now, same time? | 12:54 |
| heno | I think I'll have time after RC for this stuff | 12:54 |
| TheMuso | Same time in two weeks sounds fine by me. | 12:54 |
| heno | because most of my stuff will be very frozen then | 12:54 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: BTW the latest version of festival in launchpad doesn't seem to have been built at all. | 12:55 |
| heno | TheMuso: we've had some complaints from people in the Americas about the time of this one :) | 12:55 |
| dholbach | we should look into forward the bugs we have. | 12:55 |
| TheMuso | heno: Well whenever it is, I can be there. | 12:55 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: I'll have a look, although I appreciate help with that kind of thing. | 12:55 |
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| TheMuso | dholbach: Well there is no build records at all | 12:55 |
| dholbach | speech-tools doesn't build either | 12:56 |
| TheMuso | I'm going to be out for the rest of this evening, but I'll have a look tomorrow. | 12:56 |
| === Elektrochelovek paskaitos | ||
| dholbach | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/festival/1.4.3-17.1ubuntu4 - FTBFS | 12:56 |
| dholbach | I'll have a look | 12:56 |
| dholbach | speech-tools doesn't build either | 12:56 |
| TheMuso | I'm looking now as well. | 12:56 |
| jonsd | Is Edgy fixed now, or should I offer another update to eSpeak? minor bugfixes and improvements | 12:57 |
| dholbach | which is a dash/bash issue | 12:57 |
| dholbach | bug 63897 | 12:57 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63897 in speech-tools "source package will not build on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63897 | 12:57 |
| TheMuso | jonsd: WHat bugfixes are they? | 12:57 |
| TheMuso | Is it a new upstream version? | 12:57 |
| TheMuso | Actually, if we are all done here, we will continue the discussion in #ubuntu-accessibility. | 12:57 |
| heno | jonsd: only individual patches for bug fixes will be accepted now I think | 12:57 |
| TheMuso | I won't be round for long anyway. | 12:58 |
| heno | not full version upgrades | 12:58 |
| jonsd | Some language improvements | 12:58 |
| heno | dholbach: ^ correct? | 12:58 |
| TheMuso | We are in universe freeze, yes. | 12:58 |
| webben | I'm not really familiar with Ubuntu development processes; but if we're working on festival improvements, could we get in the lastest version of emacspeak to go with that? | 12:58 |
| dholbach | new upstream version should be fine | 12:58 |
| TheMuso | Shall we move to #ubuntu-accessibility? | 12:58 |
| heno | jonsd: what is your role in eSpeak, are you a developer? | 12:58 |
| dholbach | we just need to check it | 12:58 |
| dholbach | yeah | 12:58 |
| jonsd | heno: yes | 12:59 |
| webben | current version is 23.x; latest version on emacspeak site is 24 i think | 12:59 |
| webben | (and it builds okay with dapper, so hopefully with edgy too) | 12:59 |
| heno | jonsd: cool, we should talk about eSpeak on Edgy+1 | 12:59 |
| jonsd | OK | 12:59 |
| TheMuso | jonsd: Just realized who it was. Nice to see you here. | 12:59 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: can you look into a uvf exception report for emacspeak? | 12:59 |
| heno | we may use it as the default on the Live CD so we can support more languages | 12:59 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: Sure. | 12:59 |
| webben | what is uvf? | 01:00 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: Way to go! Thanks | 01:00 |
| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF | 01:00 |
| webben | dholbach, ah thanks | 01:00 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: I hope to go for MOTU next week, so I don't have to asking people to review stuff. | 01:00 |
| dholbach | webben: UpstreamVersionFreeze exception | 01:00 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: rock on - I'll cheerlead for you in the meeting :) | 01:00 |
| heno | TheMuso: cool! | 01:00 |
| TheMuso | I'll also have crimsun who has been reviewing a lot of my stuff. | 01:01 |
| dholbach | yeah | 01:01 |
| heno | So the ubuntu dev process can be a bit confusing the first time | 01:01 |
| heno | we are in a fairly frozen state now, so it may be better to point changes at the next version | 01:01 |
| heno | which is only ~6 months away anyway | 01:02 |
| TheMuso | If I get MOTU, it will be a lot easier for us to get stuff through into Universe at least. | 01:02 |
| heno | It is important to get new ideas in at the very start of the next cycle as well | 01:02 |
| heno | If anyone wants to volunteer to help me write specs for UDS that wouldbe great! | 01:03 |
| heno | even if it's just filling in use cases and such | 01:03 |
| TheMuso | I'll be writing one or two in the coming weeks. | 01:03 |
| webben | what sort of specs? | 01:03 |
| TheMuso | heno: What do we do in the case of deffered specs such as spoken boot and the partially deferred speakup inclusion? | 01:04 |
| heno | webben: like these https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs | 01:04 |
| heno | the partial ones should be re-written I guess | 01:04 |
| heno | to only have the bits we need | 01:05 |
| TheMuso | Right,. | 01:05 |
| TheMuso | Well I can do that at least. | 01:05 |
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| webben | Have we got any documentation/wiki page for recommending software to be used with Orca? | 01:05 |
| dholbach | Ok, let's close the meeting and move to #ubuntu-accessibility | 01:05 |
| TheMuso | lets do that. | 01:05 |
| dholbach | Thanks everybody for joining the meeting. Have a nice day! | 01:05 |
| heno | right | 01:05 |
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| dholbach | :-) | 01:05 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: kipi-plugins splitted and uploaded | 01:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm rebuilding openengo and it'll be finished in 10 minutes | 01:15 |
| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 01:15 |
| Tonio_ | oups bad channel... | 01:16 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 09 Oct 14:00 UTC: MOTU | 10 Oct 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 12:00 UTC: Community Council | 18 Oct 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | ||
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| siretart | !help | 02:59 |
| siretart | !schedule | 03:00 |
| highvoltage | @schedule | 03:00 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 09 Oct 14:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 20:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 12:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 12:00: Edubuntu | 03:00 |
| highvoltage | siretart: you can also add your timezone at the end for your local schedule | 03:00 |
| siretart | @schedule berlin | 03:00 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 09 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 03:00 |
| siretart | one hour to go | 03:00 |
| siretart | thnx highvoltage | 03:00 |
| highvoltage | :) | 03:01 |
| GNAM | @schedule rome | 03:01 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 09 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu | 03:01 |
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| Seveas | highvoltage, siretart: for an eta of the nxt meeting, use @now or @time | 03:07 |
| highvoltage | ok | 03:07 |
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| siretart | oh. thnx | 03:11 |
| siretart | @time | 03:11 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Etc/UTC: October 06 2006, 13:11:39 - Next meeting: MOTU in 3 days | 03:11 |
| siretart | @time Berlin | 03:11 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Europe/Berlin: October 06 2006, 15:11:50 - Next meeting: MOTU in 3 days | 03:11 |
| siretart | 3 days? that should read in 50 min | 03:11 |
| Fujitsu | siretart, why? | 03:12 |
| Seveas | motu meeting is october 9, not october 6 | 03:13 |
| Fujitsu | That's what I would have thought :) | 03:13 |
| siretart | oh | 03:15 |
| siretart | my bad then | 03:15 |
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