=== ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-105-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB790.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D8C38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ooh,] === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 06 Oct 10:00 UTC: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 14:00 UTC: MOTU | 10 Oct 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 12:00 UTC: Community Council === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === capnedwin [n=capnedwi@e178099189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D8C38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === toosa [n=toosa@202.73.108.83] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === shawarma_ [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tonyyaru1so [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === trappist [i=trappist@tra.ppi.st] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === DBO [n=DBO@unaffiliated/dbo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === PuMpErNiCkEl [n=pumperni@CPE000d8802a749-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["bar"] === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA2D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lguerra [n=lguerra@200.119.36.185] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:34] @schedule bogota [05:34] Schedule for America/Bogota: 06 Oct 05:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 09:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 15:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 15:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 07:00: Community Council === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508D9C0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack__ [n=rudi@p508D9C87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D9CE5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D97F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:18] @schedule chicago [06:18] Schedule for America/Chicago: 06 Oct 05:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 09:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 15:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 15:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 07:00: Community Council === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D97F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Linuturk [n=Linuturk@12.11.93.98] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.157] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lamont [i=lamont@nat/hp/x-af70afb15a836fb9] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === unix_infidel [n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:17] 4am accesibility meeting? [08:18] it's not 4m for everyone around the world :) [08:19] granted, but it sounds like my old job :) === buxy [n=nraphael@arrakeen.ouaza.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === unix_infidel [n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seaLne [n=seaLne@ubuntu/member/sealne] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Cabb [i=Cab@eqh83o.campus.luth.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:18] How many hours left to the accessibility meeting? [09:21] 2.5 hours [09:22] it's 7:21 UTC..and the meeting is at 10:00 UTC [09:24] Good, then I'll be able to make it. Always have trouble with these timezones === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:27] @schedule UTC [09:27] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 06 Oct 10:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 14:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 20:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 12:00: Community Council [09:27] @schedule US/Pacific [09:27] Schedule for US/Pacific: 06 Oct 03:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 07:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 13:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 13:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 05:00: Community Council [09:28] @schedule pacific [09:28] Schedule for Canada/Pacific: 06 Oct 03:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 07:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 13:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 13:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 05:00: Community Council [09:28] @schedule pacific-new [09:28] Schedule for US/Pacific-New: 06 Oct 03:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 07:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 13:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 13:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 05:00: Community Council === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2DE2.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tourach [n=tourach@c-redpill-1.ataco.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === unix_infidel [n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:15] @schedule rome [10:15] Schedule for Europe/Rome: 06 Oct 12:00: Accessibility Team | 09 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council === mvo [n=egon@p54A65584.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.249] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === azeem_ [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === hittsjunk [n=kenny@216.180.48.18] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === RKCole [n=chatzill@cpe-204-210-235-119.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.249] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sfllaw [i=sfllaw@debian/developer/coleSLAW] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === heno [n=henrik@ti200720a080-1880.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.249] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Elektrochelovek [i=tu_duchs@88.119.35.40] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jonsd [n=jonsd@adsl-solo-80-168-224-24.claranet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Accessibility Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 09 Oct 14:00 UTC: MOTU | 10 Oct 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 12:00 UTC: Community Council === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:59] Hello everybody [11:59] Hey dholbach. [12:00] Ok, who's here fo the Accessibilty Team meeting? :) === TheMuso raises his hand. === heno hello [12:01] Just listening, in case any questions about eSpeak TTS [12:01] hi jonsd [12:01] Shall we wait until 10:05 for people being a bit late? [12:01] sounds good [12:01] I'm in no hurry. [12:01] else it'd be nice and cozy and just the 4 of us ;-) [12:01] agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda === Joanie [n=jd@c-24-147-88-22.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:03] Joanie: good morning! [12:03] hey henrik!! [12:03] Hey Joanie [12:03] hey luke! === Cabb [i=Cab@eqh83o.campus.luth.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:04] hi Joanie [12:04] Hi Daniel [12:04] Hello [12:05] hi Cabb === jsgotangco [n=me@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === heno introduces dholbach and Joanie via their blogs http://blog.carrolltech.org/ http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/ [12:05] hehe :-) [12:05] Not sure if you've met [12:05] Nice to meet you ;) [12:06] lol [12:06] thanks Henrik. I see Daniel on the list [12:06] jsgotangco: evening [12:06] will check out the blog too [12:06] Ok, let's get going :) [12:06] as heno already pointed out, our agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda [12:06] Right, point 1: Edgy [12:07] I tested the live CD yesterday and the F5 options still do not work :( [12:07] Being looked into. [12:07] Part of the problem has already been found. :) [12:07] Ah nice... [12:08] cool [12:08] Tollef knows about that one. [12:08] nice [12:08] That should see the blindness profile fixed. === heno heh, glances at #u-devel [12:08] Need to test others [12:09] I also intend to see what Riddell has done with the kubuntu accessibility profiles. [12:10] I am actually rsyncing the latest CD images now. [12:10] For ubuntu at least. [12:10] heno: you wanted to do a roundup of Edgy's features? [12:11] Well for a start, we have moved from gnopernicus to Orca, partly due to GNOME doing the same thing. [12:11] ok so we have the live CD boot menu which should do: [12:11] heno, TheMuso: first of all: thanks for all the efforts you put into Edgy. This time the a11y team was much more organised and focused and what we achieved is really really good. [12:11] 1. 'High Contrast' - Use Gnome High Contrast Large Print theme [12:11] 2. 'Magnifier' - Set AT-SPI on and the default Magnifier (as before) [12:11] 3. 'Screen reader' - Set AT-SPI on and the default Screen reader (as before) [12:11] 4. 'Keyboard modifiers' - Set sticky keys and mouse keys (as before) [12:11] 5. 'On-screen keyboard' - Launch the default Gnome on-screen keyboard (we skipped this in Dapper, reintroducing) [12:12] on kubuntu: [12:12] 1. 'High Contrast' - Use KDE High Contrast Large Print theme [12:12] 2. 'Magnifier' - Launch kmag on starting session [12:12] 3. 'Keyboard modifiers' - Set sticky keys [12:12] 4. 'Keyboard and mouse modifiers' - Set sticky keys and mouse keys and mouse click tool [12:13] another big change is onBoard replacing GOK [12:13] yeah - it's good to have that done now. :) [12:13] which is simpler but more responsive and stable [12:14] dholbach: yep, great! [12:14] we've optedto go with new technologies this time, almost on principle [12:14] (the edgy release) [12:15] I know that we had a lot of support requests on the mailing list - but how is the general feedback right now? [12:15] we also have speakup compiled into the kernel by default [12:15] i thought it was already approved for such? [12:16] many of the support brequests are of course of a general Linux nature [12:16] brb guys [12:16] That was my impression too [12:16] perhaps we could recruit some help from the general user list to help answer those [12:17] back [12:17] Ok speakup is not actually in the kernel, it is modules [12:17] I don't always know the answers ... :) [12:17] or... at some stage... split the lists into a11y-user and a11y-devel or something [12:17] hehe === dholbach hugs heno [12:17] Thats an idea. [12:17] (me neither) :) [12:18] dholbach: I agree. This might be the time, before the release [12:18] I have decided to put an audio tutorial together once edgy is released. [12:18] For accessibility. [12:18] cool luke! [12:18] If we can agree on that I can email RT about it [12:18] agree on splitting the lists? [12:18] yes [12:18] I certainly agree. [12:18] i agree [12:19] I don't think many people will want all the bug reports in their inboxes. [12:19] hehehe that's one of the reasons I'm agreeing :_ [12:19] How many people subscribed to the list now? [12:19] TheMuso: hang on [12:19] in fact some users have said the were weary of posting to the list because the content seemed to technical [12:19] so it should suit many users to split as well [12:19] 97 [12:20] wow [12:20] wow indeed. [12:20] alot of the questions seem to be orca specific too, it would be nice to get them directed to the orca list [12:20] I think we can keep ubuntu-accessibility@ for the user list [12:20] so nobody needs to change that one [12:20] cool [12:20] dholbach: agreed [12:20] Yeah. [12:20] ubuntu-a11y-devel@ maybe [12:20] so the name doesn't get too long [12:20] Joanie: yes, we can have a policy of suggesting that [12:20] Makes sense. [12:20] and the reverse too [12:20] yep [12:21] I do see some general 'do you know of a good backup app for ubuntu' questions on the orca list too [12:21] agreed, but there is a second underlying question: "good" = accessible [12:22] the orca wiki is shaping up and I hope to do some writing to contribute to that effort [12:22] so that we can point people there [12:22] true, but we are passing them on to another list where that will also be implied === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:23] looks like we have skipped to agenda point #3, which is fine [12:23] any new team members or ubuntu users here who would like to say 'hi'? [12:24] Hi [12:24] hi! :) [12:24] Hi guys. [12:24] hi hittsjunk, hi Cabb - nice to meet you [12:24] Welcome :) [12:24] okay, hey :) [12:24] I still wonder though, if IRC still seems daunting for some. [12:24] Are you on the accessibililty list too? [12:24] yes [12:24] I am on the launchpad list [12:25] Did you have a chance to test Edgy's a11y features already? [12:25] Hey Kenny. Nice to see you here. [12:25] I installed it from a Cd a few weeks ago without sighed help. [12:26] I haven't tried Edgy yet no [12:26] hittsjunk: that's very cool! did you run Orca as root? [12:26] I've been experimenting with full-screen magnification using VMWare [12:27] hittsjunk: would you mind trying the Live CD installer again to see if it's more useable with the new ubiquity/orca script? [12:27] Yes, I also used speakup. [12:27] sure [12:27] (you don't have to complete the install obviously) [12:28] IK have friends who want to install Edgy, but they are waiting on on a more accessible instll. [12:28] I found a weird problem with ubiquity the other day with the beta release. I need to try again once I have the latest image to see if the problem still exists. [12:28] There are certainly parts of the install that aren't very usable. [12:28] Is the partitioner still the worst spot, or city selection? [12:29] Does it help to run gparted separately ahead of time? [12:29] The hardest bit is reading the text at the top of the window about the current settings you have to make. It is impossible unless you use flat review. [12:29] And since I was doing the install on a notebook, I couldn't use flat review. [12:30] TheMuso: when did you try this,. before or after the custom script was added? [12:30] (a week or so ago) [12:30] I think after the script was added. [12:30] What does the script do? === heno intends to bet a USB numpad for that purpose [12:31] heno: Thats not the point. [12:31] it's an orca sript for ubiquity, meant to smooth out rough edges [12:31] Next release, we really really need to do something about getting a laptop layout into Orca. [12:31] Right. [12:32] Agree, laptops need better support [12:32] did they basically copy the keybindings from gnopernicus? [12:33] (going back 5 years or whatever) [12:33] no, from speakup [12:33] ah, heh [12:33] The biggest problem with working out a laptop keymap is deciding what key to use as a modifier key. [12:33] Like what insert is used for now. [12:33] this would be a good place to standardise btw [12:34] and laptop support is a good excuse to change it everywhere [12:34] at least introduce an alternative layout [12:35] that is the same on all screen readers and move towards that === heno dislikes the insert key [12:35] We need to ask the X guys whether it is possible for an application to request that the X server only turn capslock on if capslock is double-pressed or something. [12:36] The insert key makes sense on a desktop keyboard, as you just use numpad 0. [12:36] ok, we're getting a bit technical now though :) [12:36] :) [12:37] let's talk to the X and kernel guys and write some specs [12:37] Looking at the a11y bugs in Edgy, we don't look too bad: https://launchpad.net/people/accessibility/+packagebugs [12:37] we should mark the real blockers we have with the ubuntu-6.10 milestone [12:37] is rodarvus here? [12:37] are there any you can think of [12:37] heno: he might not be up yet [12:38] I wonder if the GOK bug could be solved by reducing default wacom support [12:38] it's not very common and seems to cause other problems as well [12:38] who do we need a green light from on that, mdz? [12:39] rodarvus: seems to support the move [12:39] and it 'fixes' GOK [12:39] I'll add you two to 'ubuntu-qa' [12:39] then we can mark the bugs appropriately [12:39] I might be there already === TheMuso is mulling over the festival bug. [12:40] Need to pull that down and have a look. [12:40] heno: you are [12:41] heno, I'm here, but not really :) [12:41] (7:40am here) === dholbach hugs rodarvus [12:41] just need to take my daughter to school before I arrive for real ;) === rodarvus hugs dholbach back [12:41] do any of the new users have any comments about the community process? How easy is it to figure out where to start contributing? does access.ubuntu.com help? [12:42] I guess we should have more frequent meetings :) [12:42] absolutely [12:42] Indeed. [12:42] so apart from the gok and the festival/gnome-speech thing? [12:42] the at-spi-registryd thingie [12:42] what else? [12:42] Perhaps we could set up a mentoring system to get going with the AT tools [12:42] I haven't had any real problems with that for ages now. [12:43] things like Orca [12:43] we can start by collecting volunteers on a wiki page === Cabb loves wikis [12:43] and if we get 3-4 we can 'announce' it as a support option [12:43] heno: The problem is essentially that if people have no proven way of getting Linux/Ubuntu set up, it can often be quite difficult for them to do so. [12:44] Sometimes it can very much be a hit and miss affair for many people. [12:44] TheMuso: right, but there are little tricks that others know [12:44] Thats true. [12:44] like running orca as root to install [12:44] I'll have to try that [12:44] dholbach: the casper setting [12:45] (being worked on) [12:45] heno: we should make sure the crucial bits are on that list [12:45] I think we're in quite a good shape [12:45] yep [12:45] apart from having to gag apport or fix the stuff ;) [12:45] \o/ that's a plan! [12:46] :-) [12:46] and fix the rest by running everything as root always [12:46] I tried Edgy-beta. Can't access internet: "Network not accessible". Works OK with Dapper. Is that a know problem or should I report it somewhere? [12:47] jonsd: a typical regular ubuntu problem of some kind === dholbach hugs heno [12:47] jonsd: do you prefer IRC, mail or forums [12:47] First time today on IRC [12:48] you should be able to get good help through any of those methods in the standard channels [12:48] woohoo - ewlcome! :) [12:48] so the ubuntu user mailing list, the general help forum section [12:48] or on #ubuntu [12:49] If you are new to IRC< I suggest trying to avoid #ubuntu if you can. [12:49] might also try a local group near you for less traffic [12:49] Things move very fast in there. [12:49] Thanks, I'll do that. I expect internet works OK for most people or they;d fix it :-) [12:49] right so it's likely a config thing [12:50] that someone should be able to help you with [12:50] Live CD should work automatially? [12:50] if you give enough details [12:50] Depends on your network configuration. === webben [n=webben3@91.84.18.157] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:50] OK, anyway, I'll raise this in a mor approprate place [12:51] Great to have you guys here. [12:51] Should we talk about assigning those important bugs to people at another place? [12:51] shall we talk briefly about the next meeting then? [12:52] OK [12:52] Do you think we should have one before the release? [12:52] dholbach: yes I think so [12:52] Is there anybody involved with a11y going to be at the uds? [12:52] we should harvest some ideas for UDS [12:53] which is quite soon after release [12:53] heno: Ok, that's a valid point. [12:53] TheMuso: yes Chris Jones is going and likely some local Sun guys [12:53] Right. [12:53] (although I might be busy with other release stuff) [12:54] Two weeks from now, same time? [12:54] I think I'll have time after RC for this stuff [12:54] Same time in two weeks sounds fine by me. [12:54] because most of my stuff will be very frozen then [12:55] dholbach: BTW the latest version of festival in launchpad doesn't seem to have been built at all. [12:55] TheMuso: we've had some complaints from people in the Americas about the time of this one :) [12:55] we should look into forward the bugs we have. [12:55] heno: Well whenever it is, I can be there. [12:55] TheMuso: I'll have a look, although I appreciate help with that kind of thing. === Joanie rubs her eyes and sips her coffee :) [12:55] dholbach: Well there is no build records at all [12:56] speech-tools doesn't build either [12:56] I'm going to be out for the rest of this evening, but I'll have a look tomorrow. === Elektrochelovek paskaitos [12:56] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/festival/1.4.3-17.1ubuntu4 - FTBFS [12:56] I'll have a look [12:56] speech-tools doesn't build either [12:56] I'm looking now as well. [12:57] Is Edgy fixed now, or should I offer another update to eSpeak? minor bugfixes and improvements [12:57] which is a dash/bash issue [12:57] bug 63897 [12:57] Malone bug 63897 in speech-tools "source package will not build on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63897 [12:57] jonsd: WHat bugfixes are they? [12:57] Is it a new upstream version? [12:57] Actually, if we are all done here, we will continue the discussion in #ubuntu-accessibility. [12:57] jonsd: only individual patches for bug fixes will be accepted now I think [12:58] I won't be round for long anyway. [12:58] not full version upgrades [12:58] Some language improvements [12:58] dholbach: ^ correct? [12:58] We are in universe freeze, yes. [12:58] I'm not really familiar with Ubuntu development processes; but if we're working on festival improvements, could we get in the lastest version of emacspeak to go with that? [12:58] new upstream version should be fine [12:58] Shall we move to #ubuntu-accessibility? [12:58] jonsd: what is your role in eSpeak, are you a developer? [12:58] we just need to check it [12:58] yeah [12:59] heno: yes [12:59] current version is 23.x; latest version on emacspeak site is 24 i think [12:59] (and it builds okay with dapper, so hopefully with edgy too) [12:59] jonsd: cool, we should talk about eSpeak on Edgy+1 [12:59] OK [12:59] jonsd: Just realized who it was. Nice to see you here. [12:59] TheMuso: can you look into a uvf exception report for emacspeak? [12:59] we may use it as the default on the Live CD so we can support more languages [12:59] dholbach: Sure. [01:00] what is uvf? [01:00] TheMuso: Way to go! Thanks [01:00] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF [01:00] dholbach, ah thanks [01:00] dholbach: I hope to go for MOTU next week, so I don't have to asking people to review stuff. [01:00] webben: UpstreamVersionFreeze exception [01:00] TheMuso: rock on - I'll cheerlead for you in the meeting :) [01:00] TheMuso: cool! [01:01] I'll also have crimsun who has been reviewing a lot of my stuff. [01:01] yeah [01:01] So the ubuntu dev process can be a bit confusing the first time [01:01] we are in a fairly frozen state now, so it may be better to point changes at the next version [01:02] which is only ~6 months away anyway [01:02] If I get MOTU, it will be a lot easier for us to get stuff through into Universe at least. [01:02] It is important to get new ideas in at the very start of the next cycle as well [01:03] If anyone wants to volunteer to help me write specs for UDS that wouldbe great! [01:03] even if it's just filling in use cases and such [01:03] I'll be writing one or two in the coming weeks. [01:03] what sort of specs? [01:04] heno: What do we do in the case of deffered specs such as spoken boot and the partially deferred speakup inclusion? [01:04] webben: like these https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs [01:04] the partial ones should be re-written I guess [01:05] to only have the bits we need [01:05] Right,. [01:05] Well I can do that at least. === heno isn't actually sure [01:05] Have we got any documentation/wiki page for recommending software to be used with Orca? [01:05] Ok, let's close the meeting and move to #ubuntu-accessibility [01:05] lets do that. [01:05] Thanks everybody for joining the meeting. Have a nice day! 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