=== RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-10-83-27.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] or you need to get a UVF exception [12:11] since it really is a new upstream version [12:12] ajmitch: you like staying under the radar on the forums, or would you like a developer tag? === ajmitch shrugs [12:13] it's no big deal either way === jdong sticks it on his tomboy note of death [12:14] also known as his back burner todo list, or the wc -l buffer overflow test suite [12:15] anyway, I'll be off for a while tonight... need to take some time and get my network set up correctly [12:15] ok [12:15] this whole 1mbit wifi connection is not working well [12:16] ajmitch: if it's not too much hassle for you, please poke me in a more obnoxious manner about backports regressions === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon20898.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] jdong: I was going to reopen the bug at some point [12:17] the initial filer is the main upstream developer :) [12:17] you know you broke something when that's who comes knocking at your door :) [12:18] lol... DOH! === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-105-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] margh.. stupid router.... ubunt needs an embedded router distro. this whole out-of-the-box concept does not seem to be catching on in the LFS world === jdong zaps his network connection === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] dunno about routers but i know someone who runs debian on thier nslu2 [12:21] (which is actually acting as a router among other things) [12:21] morning lifeless [12:25] hi, does the entry for maintainer in the control file have to match your gpg key? [12:25] I get the following when running debuild -S [12:25] yes [12:25] Now signing changes and any dsc files... [12:25] signfile hello-debhelper_2.1.1-1.dsc Richard [12:25] gpg: skipped "Richard ": secret key not available [12:25] gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available [12:26] ok [12:26] the comment on the key matters also?? === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] hello Fujitsu [12:29] Hi LaserJock. [12:31] What shall I do about the gcl/maxima fix for Dapper? Wait until the updates policy is decided in the meeting on Monday? [12:31] rmjb: I think you can use "debsign -k" to sign your package with a different name, but I've never tried that myself [12:32] minghua, that's correct. [12:32] but that's apart from the debuild -S command? [12:33] debuild should have some options to not sign the packages it builds [12:33] Yes, you run debsign on the changes file after you run debuild. [12:33] I know dpkg-buildpackage has [12:33] minghua, it won't sign if it can't find the secret key anyway. [12:33] rmjb, you can add the -kYOURKEY option to debuild [12:33] Fujitsu: but that way you get rid of the error message ;-) [12:34] Fujitsu: that's, my issue, it can't find my secret key [12:34] Fujitsu: yeah, we might as well wait until Monday [12:34] I don't know why though [12:34] I even manually installed gpg-agent [12:34] Fujitsu: and fend of the natives biting at our heals until then ;-) [12:34] since it wasn't in edgy [12:34] Yeah. [12:34] That bug this morning was... odd. [12:35] LaserJock: just learn how to flame back [12:35] bah [12:35] we can learn a lot from debian [12:35] I feel bad about my comment as it is [12:35] haha [12:36] That comment is /fine/, LaserJock. [12:36] yeah we can learn how to release eventually.. [12:36] I usually don't reply to those bugs in fear that I can't control my anger === Gervystar [n=alessand@host244-239-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu presses the electrocute-person button on LP. [12:36] hey zul :) [12:36] and I agree LaserJock's reply is very kind and sweet :-) [12:37] he should exemplary self-control [12:37] hey ajmitch [12:37] s/should/showed/ === ajmitch shouldn't think & type at the same time [12:38] wow, so there was a new Slack release [12:38] and it appears to have a 2.4 kernel [12:38] modern [12:38] do they have pam yet? [12:39] LaserJock, yeah, I noticed that... I liked 10.1, used it for a while. What a lovely modern kernel it had. [12:40] the sarcasm in this room is killin me [12:41] rmjb: wait till we talk about RPMs again [12:42] ALFJ SOIHFEQIFLUHSD heh..the sarcasm is nothing [12:42] well, the also have 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 kernels too [12:42] but it seems the default is 2.4 [12:43] It is, yes. [12:43] i still like slackware [12:43] I wonder if I should put it on my data aquisition machine [12:43] STUPID M**** *** *** ** * **** WIRELESS [12:43] I don't know if I can fill in all those words at that length jdong :) [12:43] apparently you can't use wireless routers OR access points as range extenders / repeaters [12:44] and all the fancy AP+bridge modes don't do crap [12:44] "data acquisition machine" is that the new term for bittorrent? [12:44] I've only succeeded at making my own netsplits in my house :) [12:45] LaserJock, I'm surprised that you managed to not explode while replying to bug #64242... The guy pretty much said that the bug he was filing was a dupe of two seperate bugs... I haven't seen such an impressive one ever other than that! [12:45] Malone bug 64242 in maxima "ship working maxima for ppc" [Undecided,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64242 [12:45] anyone with any decent ideas of how to extend the range of my wireless network with minimal effort or cash? [12:45] LaserJock: yeah nice self control [12:46] i wouldnt have that [12:47] very diplomatic response [12:50] is there an issue having spaces in your passphrase? [12:50] I dunno what could be the issue here [12:50] I don't think so [12:50] I've used spaces in my login password [12:51] There are spaces in all of mine. [12:51] the passphrase for your gpg key [12:51] Nope, spaces in that as well. [12:51] I get the following from debuild -S: [12:51] Enter passphrase: gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use [12:51] debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting.... [12:51] debuild: fatal error at line 1151: [12:51] running debsign failed [12:51] Ah. [12:51] That's a known bug. [12:51] rmjb: I'm a chemist [12:51] and it's finding the correct key [12:51] You can't have an {gpg,seahorse}-agent running if you want to sign through debuild. [12:52] LaserJock: a political chemist [12:52] You either have to get rid of the agent, or use debsign afterwards. [12:52] should I remove any one? [12:52] rmjb: I think he is responding to your bittorrent comment [12:52] data aquisition means grabing data and fitting a non-linear curve and displaying all the data at 10Hz [12:52] hehe, "chemist are lazy", that what my chemistry teacher tell us every single courses ;) [12:52] It's because debuild runs using fakeroot. [12:53] LaserJock: oh... I'm only thinking about home use [12:53] urgh, I hate how debuild can't play nicely with agents [12:53] I'll remove gpg-agent since that wasn't even in the ubuntu main repos [12:53] I don't like torrents so that would also be a no ;-) [12:54] theCore: People are lazy ;-) [12:54] jdong: it doesn't work well with any agents? [12:55] is possible to be the maintainer of a package, without being a MOTU? [12:55] why do you need a gpg agent? [12:55] rmjb, correct. [12:55] LaserJock, yeah [12:55] theCore: yes [12:55] cool [12:55] LaserJock: my passphrase takes me around 20 seconds to type at best [12:55] and with each package I need to type it in twice [12:55] my goodness [12:55] it quickly gets annoying [12:55] jdong, Oo [12:55] I thought I had a long password ... [12:55] jdong: you should learn to type faster (jk) [12:56] will the agent problem cause: [12:56] debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting.... [12:56] debuild: fatal error at line 1151: [12:56] running debsign failed [12:56] Hmm, ubuntu/debian difference in in this week's LWN [12:56] minghua: subscription required? === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121nli.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:57] ajmitch: yes. but I assume you have one? [12:58] no [12:58] oh [12:58] isn't there a DD sub? [12:58] yes, there is [12:58] if you request it [12:58] I wonder if any ubuntu-dev members are interested in a similar get-up. [12:59] someone paid for Debian [12:59] it'd be quite nice [12:59] HP did, iirc [12:59] Mark isnt so generous [12:59] not some flaming article, just mentioned the mail to debian-devel about a difference tracking script, Utnubu project, and one of our wiki page I didn't know before [12:59] I mean, he is a nice guy [12:59] but he doesnt do much that he doesnt see a return on [12:59] ok, back later [01:00] ajmitch: yeah, HP [01:00] this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForDebianDevelopers [01:00] you have to pay for LWN? [01:00] rmjb: that's what the fakeroot/debuild/agent problem IS :) [01:00] for subscriber-only sections, LaserJock. [01:00] interesting [01:01] LaserJock: just to read some sections two-weeks early [01:01] I don't really read Linux stuff [01:01] oh cool, mdz has picked up my suggestions [01:01] takes away from my Ubuntu addiction ;-) [01:02] I generally find lwn to be highly informed and quite objective. [01:02] its really one of the few good sources of linux news [01:03] indeed [01:03] everything else is biased, out of context, and poorly edited [01:03] I subscribed LWN partly because I want to read them early, partly because I think they are the only good linux news website around and want to support them [01:03] tseng: digg is a very reliable source for linux news :D [01:03] it broke the story of hans reiser as a wife slasher first [01:03] jdong: digg is a cesspool === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-86-24.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] and not even good at what it claims to do, apperantly [01:04] lol [01:04] I do comb it once in a while when I'm bored.... [01:04] top users have vastly more input === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] or so its written on the very reliable other sites [01:04] i've found some slightly interesting *nix news on it before === jdong is not a fan of its voting system at all [01:05] this section in Synaptic: Installed (auto removable) that's new? [01:05] yeah [01:06] well, maybe I'll have to pay attention sometimes to LWN [01:06] is it LaserJock or Fujitsu that worked on the Ubuntu Packaging Guide? [01:06] the subscriber-only articles (which are the best) get cleared for everybody after a week or a month [01:07] rmjb: I did [01:07] rmjb, certainly not me :P [01:07] maybe Fujitsu should ;-) [01:08] azeem: I think it's two weeks [01:08] sounds sensible [01:08] at the bottom of the first page of chapter 4: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html [01:08] but I must admit some stories are less interesting after two weeks :-( === _MMA_ is now known as _MMA_AWAY [01:08] damn, murphy's law tells me that linux-image-xen0 won't support atheros, and its corollary tells me that the drivers won't build under xen0 either [01:09] right? [01:09] the debuild -S command doesn't work as is... [01:09] LaserJock, did you saw my patch? [01:09] rmjb: debuild -S works just fine, except when you have an agent [01:09] LaserJock, I think I fixed that [01:09] rmjb: if gpg can't find its agent, it will always exit with a failure code [01:09] regardless of it you typed in the right passphrase on fallback [01:10] it's an upstream gnupg bug [01:10] I filed it [01:10] so I shoud remove seahorse then [01:10] it's been fixed in upstream gnupg's release [01:10] rmjb: edit your gnupg.conf, remove use agent; [01:10] rmjb: or run a debsign after running debuild [01:10] just ctrl+C it when it asks for a passphrase === fowlduck [n=fowlduck@198.150.12.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] rmjb, what is your gnupg key number? [01:11] 76F264FF [01:11] rmjb, try that: debuild -S -k76F264FF [01:11] theCore, that won't work. === jdong reboots [01:11] debsign whatever_source.changes [01:12] theCore: that won't work [01:13] theCore: read my explanation above [01:13] jdong, sure? [01:13] theCore: gpg agent won't work because of fakeroot. gpg (BUG) exits with an error code [01:13] FINALLY, removing the use-agent line worked [01:13] theCore, very sure. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] theCore: I've been on this bug in the bzr world for a while now [01:14] I don't think it's supposed to take me 3 weeks to go through this guide [01:14] well, it does work for me ... [01:15] rmjb: which guide? [01:15] the Packaging Guide [01:15] ahhh, yes, check out the debian resources on packaging too, they're VERY VERY VERY helpful === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121nli.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] it's no problem having an edgy system and using a dapper pbuilder right? [01:16] rmjb: no [01:16] rmjb: as long as you set pbuilder up to use an edgy environment [01:17] fowlduck: you mean dapper [01:17] right [01:17] ;) [01:17] oh, got confused a min there [01:17] then stand on your head, drink some water, while rubbing your belly clockwise [01:17] just to clarify [01:17] rmjb: you can have pbuilder for hoary if you like. pbuilder will install a very basic system in the pbuilder env. [01:18] thanks, I'm clarified [01:18] hey, has anyone heard of edgy beta 1 installation where the keyboard stops working immediately? === gnomefreak needs to set up pbuilder again :( [01:19] fowlduck: theres a bug on a keyboard issue but thats all i remember [01:19] gnomefreak: ok [01:19] anyone have a link to edgy launchpad? [01:20] !bug [01:20] If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy [01:20] cool, thx [01:20] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs [01:21] i wouldnt just look in edgy [01:21] it's an edgy bug [01:21] fowlduck: if people dont put edgy in title you wont find it [01:21] alot of people dont put dist. version in bug title [01:22] ugh === ausimage [n=owner@pool-141-149-239-130.syr.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ps-chap.html [01:24] ? [01:24] Hello I recently updated bug #58682. It is a fairly serious issue with galeon. [01:24] Malone bug 58682 in galeon "[Edgy] Consistent Crash while query plugins with Java Script" [Undecided,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/58682 [01:25] I am hoping to get some eyes on this to get a remedy for Edgy === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ausimage [n=owner@pool-141-149-239-130.syr.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === rmjb is now known as rmjb|Away === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:31] any idea when I could catch slomo/nafallo? [01:32] they've not been around the past day or two :D === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o jdong] by ChanServ [01:37] jdong: i thought i saw slomo yesterday or day before :( [01:37] nafallo i almost never see [01:37] gnomefreak: yeah, that's what ubotu told me [01:37] I've seen nafallo like once [01:37] i think i see him after 10pm here [01:37] and he helped me do an upload (thanks!) === jdong wants to poke a MOTU-media about his x264 UVFe === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o tseng] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o jdong] by tseng === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o tseng] by tseng [01:38] lol [01:38] please don't abuse the access list [01:39] huh? did I take op? [01:39] oops [01:39] sorry, tseng, totally an accident [01:39] script I guess [01:39] I needed ops on the two other channels where people are out of control [01:39] so I did a lazy op all [01:39] sorry it gets me all kinds of fussed [01:39] not realizing I had the ability to op to any of the other channels I was in [01:40] I apologize, tseng [01:40] np === rmjb|Away is now known as rmjb [01:41] kernel freeze means no updates to kernel? [01:42] gnomefreak: I expect bugfixes to still go in... else I'd be very disappointed [01:42] thats what i was wondering [01:42] i got scared === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-86-24.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:43] there's still a few regressions in edgy's kernel that I dearly hope are fixed [01:44] most concerning of which, it seems like a large chunk of ich8 sata's don't work in edgy anymore [01:44] my laptop's mobile ich8 still works, but on a few desktops I tried an edgy beta on, it didn't probe any of the hd's [01:45] very irritating when it comes to core 2 duo support, when dapper/edgy support mutually exclusive halves of the chipset :D [01:45] i am on a core 2 [01:45] changing another one of my pcs to edgy this week sometime [01:45] edgy [01:45] i dont see the problem? === gnomefreak has nothing better than a p4 1.7mhz :( [01:46] tseng: hmm, is your hard drive ICH8 SATA? [01:46] i imagine [01:47] ^ich7 [01:47] tseng: the local PC shop here got a core 2 desktop shipment, and I was testing edgy livecd's on it [01:47] laptop [01:47] tseng: that's why. ich8 specific, desktop core 2 duo regression [01:47] ok then [01:47] nonetheless critical to see addressed for edgy [01:47] not sure what talking about it here helps [01:48] nothing really, other than so a few other people have the bug in the back of their head :D [01:48] hmm, maybe we should have the maxima bug person file a request to revert to the Breezy version and subscribe ubuntu-archive [01:49] I really feel awful for poking about bugs [01:49] but from my experience in warty and hoary, it didn't help to just silently file LP bugs === gnomefreak does too much with bugs i cant keep them straight anymore [01:50] there were quite a few that I would've hoped to see addressed but were just swamped [01:50] jdong: i normally poke #ubuntu-bugs to see if they can confirm it [01:51] LaserJock: I am not sure binary-only revert is allowed [01:51] i have a bug i moved upstream and still hasnt been looked at by upstream 3 months now give or take [01:52] minghua: hence my desire to see him try it with ubuntu-archive ;-) [01:52] LaserJock: Ah, I see. so he can argue with someone else? ;-) [01:53] so, just out of curiousity, what do you guys think I need to do to become MOTU [01:53] I think that'd cut down on my need to find and poke MOTU's for backports work [01:53] do something that isn't backports ;-) === gnomefreak hasnt learned backports yet [01:53] jdong: I doubt it would really take much [01:53] aren't backport team members already in MOTU? [01:53] minghua: I am ironically not [01:53] except for jdong, yeah [01:54] lol [01:54] it is kind of ironic [01:54] for the one who started it all to be powerless :) [01:54] jdong: a few packages a few people behind you and a tb meeting should be ok no? [01:54] I'd really like to reach for MOTU === redguy_ [n=mati@adb159.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] gnomefreak: define "a few" [01:54] maybe a few more than a few [01:54] 10 + [01:54] I really don't want to pursue MOTU at the cost of causing more backports backlog [01:54] should i expect edgy's kernel to be updated frequently before the release? [01:54] jdong: did you show up in a TB meeting asking to become a MOTU? [01:55] fowlduck: today is kernel freeze [01:55] minghua: yes, but that was more of seeing if they'd give it to me for free [01:55] minghua: at the time I had done absolutely zero for motu [01:55] lol @ free [01:55] gnomefreak: that's nice :) [01:55] gnomefreak: you know what I mean :P [01:55] i know [01:55] "honorary MOTU" :P [01:55] fowlduck: you might see an update or 2 but dont count on it [01:56] anyway, I'm gonna keep pursuing MOTu in the back of my mind [01:56] there seems to be a dmraid issue with the new kernel: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/54246 [01:56] jdong: that is what I am asking (to give you one for free), but since they don't, I suppose you need to do some MOTU work then :-) [01:56] Malone bug 54246 in dmraid "DMRAID stopped to work in kernels > 2.6.15" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:56] with the freeze in effect does this mean edgy will not have support for fakeraid? [01:56] minghua: that's why I'm asking, what MOTU work do I need to do to prove myself competent MOTU material? :) [01:56] rmjb: you might see an update or 2 but dont count on it [01:56] jdong: and after all, it's decided by TB, not fellow MOTUs [01:57] jdong: I believe every MOTU did different work to get the status [01:57] tb is made up of people you know jdong [01:57] cool, a kernel that changes a lot makes using vmware a pain [01:57] keybuk is one tseng is one i thought too [01:57] jdong: I can tell you my experience, but it probably doesn't help you much [01:57] tseng isn't on TB [01:57] that's unfortunate... that dapper had fakeraid support and edgy won't, but I guess that's the fault of the dmraid developers?? [01:58] it's Keybuk, Kamion, sabdfl, and mjg59 I think [01:58] but I could be wrong [01:58] bbiab [01:58] LaserJock, not Kamion, but mdz. [01:59] sabdfl might be an extra or a silent [01:59] i havent seeen him at the tb meetings ive been to [01:59] I remember elmo in my MOTU application meeting [01:59] Laser_away: I shoudl be [01:59] haha [01:59] maybe I remember wrong, maybe things changed [01:59] TB is awful [01:59] trying to match up times for everyone [02:00] nearly impossible [02:00] kcc is the only one without that issue that i know if [02:00] or kc [02:00] kfc? [02:00] mmmmm [02:00] kubuntu council [02:00] hehe j/k [02:00] anyways === rmjb is now known as rmjb|Away [02:01] maintainer = debian qa group does that mean its likely not to be fixed or do we have them around ubuntu channels? === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121nli.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] Does anybody around here have an Edgy or Dapper PPC I can test some maxima stuff on? [02:07] how much do you reckon debian will miss their release date by this time then? [02:08] oops was scrolled up [02:08] Fujitsu: sorry i dream of a ppc someday :) [02:09] gnomefreak iirc maintainer set to "debian qa group" means there is no maintainer [02:09] gnomefreak: that equals to "no active maintainer" in Debian [02:09] oh great [02:09] gnomefreak: but bugs can still be fixed if patches are provided and someone can review it [02:09] i'd imagine someone could still nmu a patch though [02:09] python-gnome should be desktop maintainers shouldnt? [02:10] let me see if i can file this under pyton-gtk instead of python-gnome as it fits better [02:10] you don't need NMU, debian QA group has a list, get a patch ready and tested, then ask that list to upload a new release [02:11] nope [02:11] hmmmmm [02:11] are we talking about GTK/GNOME 1.x stuff here? [02:11] yes :( [02:12] lol [02:12] python-gtk-1.2 [02:12] is the messed up package [02:16] Hm. [02:16] The Edgy Beta alternate installer didn't ask me for a username or password... I suspect it might have been because my initial partitioning failed. === Fujitsu grumbles, and chroots. [02:24] Fujitsu: at least your keyboard works === rmjb_ [n=richard@cuscon21170.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] mine works too :) === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] " * Add size test, which fails on any debhelper program of more than 150 lines (excluding POD). This is not a joke, and 100 lines would be better." [02:54] joeyh sure writes entertaining changelog entries === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@c-71-232-45-169.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-10-83-27.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma_ [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] tseng: haha, true === rmjb_ is now known as rmjb [03:04] wb === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] Heya gang [03:08] hi bddebian [03:08] Heya LaserJock [03:09] who's the Utnubu Team? [03:09] I think those are Debian Developers === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:09] they try to take Ubuntu work and put it back into Debian [03:10] has the freeze taken effect? [03:10] yes [03:10] shoot [03:10] about a week ago [03:10]