[12:11] <ajmitch> or you need to get a UVF exception
[12:11] <ajmitch> since it really is a new upstream version
[12:12] <jdong> ajmitch: you like staying under the radar on the forums, or would you like a developer tag?
[12:13] <ajmitch> it's no big deal either way
[12:14] <jdong> also known as his back burner todo list, or the wc -l buffer overflow test suite
[12:15] <jdong> anyway, I'll be off for a while tonight... need to take some time and get my network set up correctly
[12:15] <ajmitch> ok
[12:15] <jdong> this whole 1mbit wifi connection is not working well
[12:16] <jdong> ajmitch: if it's not too much hassle for you, please poke me in a more obnoxious manner about backports regressions
[12:16] <ajmitch> jdong: I was going to reopen the bug at some point
[12:17] <ajmitch> the initial filer is the main upstream developer :)
[12:17] <jdong> you know you broke something when that's who comes knocking at your door :)
[12:18] <lifeless> lol... DOH!
[12:19] <jdong> margh.. stupid router.... ubunt needs an embedded router distro. this whole out-of-the-box concept does not seem to be catching on in the LFS world
[12:20] <plugwash> dunno about routers but i know someone who runs debian on thier nslu2
[12:21] <plugwash> (which is actually acting as a router among other things)
[12:21] <ajmitch> morning lifeless
[12:25] <rmjb> hi, does the entry for maintainer in the control file have to match your gpg key?
[12:25] <rmjb> I get the following when running debuild -S
[12:25] <zul> yes
[12:25] <rmjb> Now signing changes and any dsc files...
[12:25] <rmjb>  signfile hello-debhelper_2.1.1-1.dsc Richard <rmjb@mail.com>
[12:25] <rmjb> gpg: skipped "Richard <rmjb@mail.com>": secret key not available
[12:25] <rmjb> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[12:26] <rmjb> ok
[12:26] <rmjb> the comment on the key matters also??
[12:29] <LaserJock> hello Fujitsu
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Hi LaserJock.
[12:31] <Fujitsu> What shall I do about the gcl/maxima fix for Dapper? Wait until the updates policy is decided in the meeting on Monday?
[12:31] <minghua> rmjb: I think you can use "debsign -k" to sign your package with a different name, but I've never tried that myself
[12:32] <Fujitsu> minghua, that's correct.
[12:32] <rmjb> but that's apart from the debuild -S command?
[12:33] <minghua> debuild should have some options to not sign the packages it builds
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Yes, you run debsign on the changes file after you run debuild.
[12:33] <minghua> I know dpkg-buildpackage has
[12:33] <Fujitsu> minghua, it won't sign if it can't find the secret key anyway.
[12:33] <theCore> rmjb, you can add the -kYOURKEY option to debuild
[12:33] <minghua> Fujitsu: but that way you get rid of the error message ;-)
[12:34] <rmjb> Fujitsu: that's, my issue, it can't find my secret key
[12:34] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yeah, we might as well wait until Monday
[12:34] <rmjb> I don't know why though
[12:34] <rmjb> I even manually installed gpg-agent
[12:34] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: and fend of the natives biting at our heals until then ;-)
[12:34] <rmjb> since it wasn't in edgy
[12:34] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[12:34] <Fujitsu> That bug this morning was... odd.
[12:35] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just learn how to flame back
[12:35] <LaserJock> bah
[12:35] <ajmitch> we can learn a lot from debian
[12:35] <LaserJock> I feel bad about my comment as it is
[12:35] <LaserJock> haha
[12:36] <Fujitsu> That comment is /fine/, LaserJock.
[12:36] <zul> yeah we can learn how to release eventually..
[12:36] <minghua> I usually don't reply to those bugs in fear that I can't control my anger
[12:36] <ajmitch> hey zul :)
[12:36] <minghua> and I agree LaserJock's reply is very kind and sweet :-)
[12:37] <ajmitch> he should exemplary self-control
[12:37] <zul> hey ajmitch
[12:37] <ajmitch> s/should/showed/
[12:38] <LaserJock> wow, so there was a new Slack release
[12:38] <LaserJock> and it appears to have a 2.4 kernel
[12:38] <ajmitch> modern
[12:38] <ajmitch> do they have pam yet?
[12:39] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, yeah, I noticed that... I liked 10.1, used it for a while. What a lovely modern kernel it had.
[12:40] <rmjb> the sarcasm in this room is killin me
[12:41] <Plug> rmjb: wait till we talk about RPMs again
[12:42] <Fujitsu> ALFJ SOIHFEQIFLUHSD<vbscdj,hnfkvhfi
[12:42] <zul> heh..the sarcasm is nothing
[12:42] <LaserJock> well, the also have 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 kernels too
[12:42] <LaserJock> but it seems the default is 2.4
[12:43] <Fujitsu> It is, yes.
[12:43] <zul> i still like slackware
[12:43] <LaserJock> I wonder if I should put it on my data aquisition machine
[12:43] <jdong> STUPID M**** *** *** ** * **** WIRELESS
[12:43] <Plug> I don't know if I can fill in all those words at that length jdong  :)
[12:43] <jdong> apparently you can't use wireless routers OR access points as range extenders / repeaters
[12:44] <jdong> and all the fancy AP+bridge modes don't do crap
[12:44] <rmjb> "data acquisition machine" is that the new term for bittorrent?
[12:44] <jdong> I've only succeeded at making my own netsplits in my house :)
[12:45] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, I'm surprised that you managed to not explode while replying to bug #64242... The guy pretty much said that the bug he was filing was a dupe of two seperate bugs... I haven't seen such an impressive one ever other than that!
[12:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64242 in maxima "ship working maxima for ppc" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64242
[12:45] <jdong> anyone with any decent ideas of how to extend the range of my wireless network with minimal effort or cash?
[12:45] <zul> LaserJock: yeah nice self control
[12:46] <zul> i wouldnt have that
[12:47] <rmjb> very diplomatic response
[12:50] <rmjb> is there an issue having spaces in your passphrase?
[12:50] <rmjb> I dunno what could be the issue here
[12:50] <minghua> I don't think so
[12:50] <minghua> I've used spaces in my login password
[12:51] <Fujitsu> There are spaces in all of mine.
[12:51] <rmjb> the passphrase for your gpg key
[12:51] <Fujitsu> Nope, spaces in that as well.
[12:51] <rmjb> I get the following from debuild -S:
[12:51] <rmjb> Enter passphrase: gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[12:51] <rmjb> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[12:51] <rmjb> debuild: fatal error at line 1151:
[12:51] <rmjb> running debsign failed
[12:51] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[12:51] <Fujitsu> That's a known bug.
[12:51] <LaserJock> rmjb: I'm a chemist
[12:51] <rmjb> and it's finding the correct key
[12:51] <Fujitsu> You can't have an {gpg,seahorse}-agent running if you want to sign through debuild.
[12:52] <rmjb> LaserJock: a political chemist
[12:52] <Fujitsu> You either have to get rid of the agent, or use debsign afterwards.
[12:52] <rmjb> should I remove any one?
[12:52] <minghua> rmjb: I think he is responding to your bittorrent comment
[12:52] <LaserJock> data aquisition means grabing data and fitting a non-linear curve and displaying all the data at 10Hz
[12:52] <theCore> hehe, "chemist are lazy", that what my chemistry teacher tell us every single courses ;)
[12:52] <Fujitsu> It's because debuild runs using fakeroot.
[12:53] <rmjb> LaserJock: oh... I'm only thinking about home use
[12:53] <jdong> urgh, I hate how debuild can't play nicely with agents
[12:53] <rmjb> I'll remove gpg-agent since that wasn't even in the ubuntu main repos
[12:53] <LaserJock> I don't like torrents so that would also be a no ;-)
[12:54] <LaserJock> theCore: People are lazy ;-)
[12:54] <rmjb> jdong: it doesn't work well with any agents?
[12:55] <theCore> is possible to be the maintainer of a package, without being a MOTU?
[12:55] <LaserJock> why do you need a gpg agent?
[12:55] <Fujitsu> rmjb, correct.
[12:55] <theCore> LaserJock, yeah
[12:55] <LaserJock> theCore: yes
[12:55] <theCore> cool
[12:55] <jdong> LaserJock: my passphrase takes me around 20 seconds to type at best
[12:55] <jdong> and with each package I need to type it in twice
[12:55] <LaserJock> my goodness
[12:55] <jdong> it quickly gets annoying
[12:55] <theCore> jdong, Oo
[12:55] <theCore> I thought I had a long password ...
[12:55] <rmjb> jdong: you should learn to type faster (jk)
[12:56] <rmjb> will the agent problem cause:
[12:56] <rmjb> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[12:56] <rmjb> debuild: fatal error at line 1151:
[12:56] <rmjb> running debsign failed
[12:56] <minghua> Hmm, ubuntu/debian difference in in this week's LWN
[12:56] <ajmitch> minghua: subscription required?
[12:57] <minghua> ajmitch: yes.  but I assume you have one?
[12:58] <ajmitch> no
[12:58] <minghua> oh
[12:58] <crimsun> isn't there a DD sub?
[12:58] <ajmitch> yes, there is
[12:58] <ajmitch> if you request it
[12:58] <crimsun> I wonder if any ubuntu-dev members are interested in a similar get-up.
[12:59] <tseng> someone paid for Debian
[12:59] <ajmitch> it'd be quite nice
[12:59] <ajmitch> HP did, iirc
[12:59] <tseng> Mark isnt so generous
[12:59] <minghua> not some flaming article, just mentioned the mail to debian-devel about a difference tracking script, Utnubu project, and one of our wiki page I didn't know before
[12:59] <tseng> I mean, he is a nice guy
[12:59] <tseng> but he doesnt do much that he doesnt see a return on
[12:59] <ajmitch> ok, back later
[01:00] <azeem> ajmitch: yeah, HP
[01:00] <minghua> this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForDebianDevelopers
[01:00] <LaserJock> you have to pay for LWN?
[01:00] <jdong> rmjb: that's what the fakeroot/debuild/agent problem IS :)
[01:00] <crimsun> for subscriber-only sections, LaserJock.
[01:00] <LaserJock> interesting
[01:01] <minghua> LaserJock: just to read some sections two-weeks early
[01:01] <LaserJock> I don't really read Linux stuff
[01:01] <azeem> oh cool, mdz has picked up my suggestions
[01:01] <LaserJock> takes away from my Ubuntu addiction ;-)
[01:02] <crimsun> I generally find lwn to be highly informed and quite objective.
[01:02] <tseng> its really one of the few good sources of linux news
[01:03] <crimsun> indeed
[01:03] <tseng> everything else is biased, out of context, and poorly edited
[01:03] <minghua> I subscribed LWN partly because I want to read them early, partly because I think they are the only good linux news website around and want to support them
[01:03] <jdong> tseng: digg is a very reliable source for linux news :D
[01:03] <jdong> it broke the story of hans reiser as a wife slasher first
[01:03] <tseng> jdong: digg is a cesspool
[01:03] <tseng> and not even good at what it claims to do, apperantly
[01:04] <jdong> lol
[01:04] <jdong> I do comb it once in a while when I'm bored....
[01:04] <tseng> top users have vastly more input
[01:04] <tseng> or so its written on the very reliable other sites
[01:04] <jdong> i've found some slightly interesting *nix news on it before
[01:05] <rmjb> this section in Synaptic: Installed (auto removable) that's new?
[01:05] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:06] <LaserJock> well, maybe I'll have to pay attention sometimes to LWN
[01:06] <rmjb> is it LaserJock or Fujitsu that worked on the Ubuntu Packaging Guide?
[01:06] <azeem> the subscriber-only articles (which are the best) get cleared for everybody after a week or a month
[01:07] <LaserJock> rmjb: I did
[01:07] <Fujitsu> rmjb, certainly not me :P
[01:07] <LaserJock> maybe Fujitsu should ;-)
[01:08] <minghua> azeem: I think it's two weeks
[01:08] <azeem> sounds sensible
[01:08] <rmjb> at the bottom of the first page of chapter 4: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-debhelper.html
[01:08] <minghua> but I must admit some stories are less interesting after two weeks :-(
[01:08] <jdong> damn, murphy's law tells me that linux-image-xen0 won't support atheros, and its corollary tells me that the drivers won't build under xen0 either
[01:09] <jdong> right?
[01:09] <rmjb> the debuild -S command doesn't work as is...
[01:09] <theCore> LaserJock, did you saw my patch?
[01:09] <jdong> rmjb: debuild -S works just fine, except when you have an agent
[01:09] <theCore> LaserJock, I think I fixed that
[01:09] <jdong> rmjb: if gpg can't find its agent, it will always exit with a failure code
[01:09] <jdong> regardless of it you typed in the right passphrase on fallback
[01:10] <jdong> it's an upstream gnupg bug
[01:10] <jdong> I filed it
[01:10] <rmjb> so I shoud remove seahorse then
[01:10] <jdong> it's been fixed in upstream gnupg's release
[01:10] <jdong> rmjb: edit your gnupg.conf, remove use agent;
[01:10] <jdong> rmjb: or run a debsign after running debuild
[01:10] <jdong> just ctrl+C it when it asks for a passphrase
[01:11] <theCore> rmjb, what is your gnupg key number?
[01:11] <rmjb> 76F264FF
[01:11] <theCore> rmjb, try that: debuild -S -k76F264FF
[01:11] <Fujitsu> theCore, that won't work.
[01:11] <Fujitsu> debsign whatever_source.changes
[01:12] <jdong> theCore: that won't work
[01:13] <jdong> theCore: read my explanation above
[01:13] <theCore> jdong, sure?
[01:13] <jdong> theCore: gpg agent won't work because of fakeroot. gpg (BUG) exits with an error code
[01:13] <rmjb> FINALLY, removing the use-agent line worked
[01:13] <Fujitsu> theCore, very sure.
[01:13] <jdong> theCore: I've been on this bug in the bzr world for a while now
[01:14] <rmjb> I don't think it's supposed to take me 3 weeks to go through this guide
[01:14] <theCore> well, it does work for me ...
[01:15] <fowlduck> rmjb: which guide?
[01:15] <rmjb> the Packaging Guide
[01:15] <fowlduck> ahhh, yes, check out the debian resources on packaging too, they're VERY VERY VERY helpful
[01:16] <rmjb> it's no problem having an edgy system and using a dapper pbuilder right?
[01:16] <gnomefreak> rmjb: no
[01:16] <fowlduck> rmjb: as long as you set pbuilder up to use an edgy environment
[01:17] <gnomefreak> fowlduck: you mean dapper
[01:17] <fowlduck> right
[01:17] <gnomefreak> ;)
[01:17] <rmjb> oh, got confused a min there
[01:17] <fowlduck> then stand on your head, drink some water, while rubbing your belly clockwise
[01:17] <fowlduck> just to clarify
[01:17] <gnomefreak> rmjb: you can have pbuilder for hoary if you like. pbuilder will install a very basic system in the pbuilder env.
[01:18] <rmjb> thanks, I'm clarified
[01:18] <fowlduck> hey, has anyone heard of edgy beta 1 installation where the keyboard stops working immediately?
[01:19] <gnomefreak> fowlduck: theres a bug on a keyboard issue but thats all i remember
[01:19] <fowlduck> gnomefreak: ok
[01:19] <fowlduck> anyone have a link to edgy launchpad?
[01:20] <gnomefreak> !bug
[01:20] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[01:20] <rmjb> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy
[01:20] <fowlduck> cool, thx
[01:20] <gnomefreak> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[01:21] <gnomefreak> i wouldnt just look in edgy
[01:21] <fowlduck> it's an edgy bug
[01:21] <gnomefreak> fowlduck: if people dont put edgy in title you wont find it
[01:21] <gnomefreak> alot of people dont put dist. version in bug title
[01:22] <fowlduck> ugh
[01:24] <rmjb> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ps-chap.html
[01:24] <rmjb> ?
[01:24] <ausimage> Hello I recently updated bug #58682. It is a fairly serious issue with galeon.
[01:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58682 in galeon "[Edgy]  Consistent Crash while query plugins with Java Script" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/58682
[01:25] <ausimage> I am hoping to get some eyes on this to get a remedy for Edgy
[01:31] <jdong> any idea when I could catch slomo/nafallo?
[01:32] <jdong> they've not been around the past day or two :D
[01:37] <gnomefreak> jdong: i thought i saw slomo yesterday or day before :(
[01:37] <gnomefreak> nafallo i almost never see
[01:37] <jdong> gnomefreak: yeah, that's what ubotu told me
[01:37] <jdong> I've seen nafallo like once
[01:37] <gnomefreak> i think i see him after 10pm here
[01:37] <jdong> and he helped me do an upload (thanks!)
[01:38] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:38] <tseng> please don't abuse the access list
[01:39] <jdong> huh? did I take op?
[01:39] <jdong> oops
[01:39] <jdong> sorry, tseng, totally an accident
[01:39] <tseng> script I guess
[01:39] <jdong> I needed ops on the two other channels where people are out of control
[01:39] <jdong> so I did a lazy op all
[01:39] <tseng> sorry it gets me all kinds of fussed
[01:39] <jdong> not realizing I had the ability to op to any of the other channels I was in
[01:40] <jdong> I apologize, tseng
[01:40] <tseng> np
[01:41] <gnomefreak> kernel freeze means no updates to kernel?
[01:42] <jdong> gnomefreak: I expect bugfixes to still go in... else I'd be very disappointed
[01:42] <gnomefreak> thats what i was wondering
[01:42] <gnomefreak> i got scared
[01:43] <jdong> there's still a few regressions in edgy's kernel that I dearly hope are fixed
[01:44] <jdong> most concerning of which, it seems like a large chunk of ich8 sata's don't work in edgy anymore
[01:44] <jdong> my laptop's mobile ich8 still works, but on a few desktops I tried an edgy beta on, it didn't probe any of the hd's
[01:45] <jdong> very irritating when it comes to core 2 duo support, when dapper/edgy support mutually exclusive halves of the chipset :D
[01:45] <tseng> i am on a core 2
[01:45] <gnomefreak> changing another one of my pcs to edgy this week sometime
[01:45] <tseng> edgy
[01:45] <tseng> i dont see the problem?
[01:46] <jdong> tseng: hmm, is your hard drive ICH8 SATA?
[01:46] <tseng> i imagine
[01:47] <tseng> ^ich7
[01:47] <jdong> tseng: the local PC shop here got a core 2 desktop shipment, and I was testing edgy livecd's on it
[01:47] <tseng> laptop
[01:47] <jdong> tseng: that's why. ich8 specific, desktop core 2 duo regression
[01:47] <tseng> ok then
[01:47] <jdong> nonetheless critical to see addressed for edgy
[01:47] <tseng> not sure what talking about it here helps
[01:48] <jdong> nothing really, other than so a few other people have the bug in the back of their head :D
[01:48] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe we should have the maxima bug person file a request to revert to the Breezy version and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[01:49] <jdong> I really feel awful for poking about bugs
[01:49] <jdong> but from my experience in warty and hoary, it didn't help to just silently file LP bugs
[01:50] <jdong> there were quite a few that I would've hoped to see addressed but were just swamped
[01:50] <gnomefreak> jdong: i normally poke #ubuntu-bugs to see if they can confirm it
[01:51] <minghua> LaserJock: I am not sure binary-only revert is allowed
[01:51] <gnomefreak> i have a bug i moved upstream and still hasnt been looked at by upstream 3 months now give or take
[01:52] <LaserJock> minghua: hence my desire to see him try it with ubuntu-archive ;-)
[01:52] <minghua> LaserJock: Ah, I see.  so he can argue with someone else? ;-)
[01:53] <jdong> so, just out of curiousity, what do you guys think I need to do to become MOTU
[01:53] <jdong> I think that'd cut down on my need to find and poke MOTU's for backports work
[01:53] <LaserJock> do something that isn't backports ;-)
[01:53] <LaserJock> jdong: I doubt it would really take much
[01:53] <minghua> aren't backport team members already in MOTU?
[01:53] <jdong> minghua: I am ironically not
[01:53] <LaserJock> except for jdong, yeah
[01:54] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:54] <jdong> it is kind of ironic
[01:54] <jdong> for the one who started it all to be powerless :)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> jdong: a few packages a few people behind you and a tb meeting should be ok no?
[01:54] <jdong> I'd really like to reach for MOTU
[01:54] <jdong> gnomefreak: define "a few"
[01:54] <gnomefreak> maybe a few more than a few
[01:54] <gnomefreak> 10 +
[01:54] <jdong> I really don't want to pursue MOTU at the cost of causing more backports backlog
[01:54] <fowlduck> should i expect edgy's kernel to be updated frequently before the release?
[01:54] <minghua> jdong: did you show up in a TB meeting asking to become a MOTU?
[01:55] <gnomefreak> fowlduck: today is kernel freeze
[01:55] <jdong> minghua: yes, but that was more of seeing if they'd give it to me for free
[01:55] <jdong> minghua: at the time I had done absolutely zero for motu
[01:55] <gnomefreak> lol @ free
[01:55] <fowlduck> gnomefreak: that's nice :)
[01:55] <jdong> gnomefreak: you know what I mean :P
[01:55] <gnomefreak> i know
[01:55] <jdong> "honorary MOTU" :P
[01:55] <gnomefreak> fowlduck: you might see an update or 2 but dont count on it
[01:56] <jdong> anyway, I'm gonna keep pursuing MOTu in the back of my mind
[01:56] <rmjb> there seems to be a dmraid issue with the new kernel: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/54246
[01:56] <minghua> jdong: that is what I am asking (to give you one for free), but since they don't, I suppose you need to do some MOTU work then :-)
[01:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54246 in dmraid "DMRAID stopped to work in kernels > 2.6.15" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:56] <rmjb> with the freeze in effect does this mean edgy will not have support for fakeraid?
[01:56] <jdong> minghua: that's why I'm asking, what MOTU work do I need to do to prove myself competent MOTU material? :)
[01:56] <gnomefreak> rmjb: you might see an update or 2 but dont count on it
[01:56] <minghua> jdong: and after all, it's decided by TB, not fellow MOTUs
[01:57] <minghua> jdong: I believe every MOTU did different work to get the status
[01:57] <gnomefreak> tb is made up of people you know jdong
[01:57] <fowlduck> cool, a kernel that changes a lot makes using vmware a pain
[01:57] <gnomefreak> keybuk is one tseng is one i thought too
[01:57] <minghua> jdong: I can tell you my experience, but it probably doesn't help you much
[01:57] <LaserJock> tseng isn't on TB
[01:57] <rmjb> that's unfortunate... that dapper had fakeraid support and edgy won't, but I guess that's the fault of the dmraid developers??
[01:58] <LaserJock> it's Keybuk, Kamion, sabdfl, and mjg59 I think
[01:58] <LaserJock> but I could be wrong
[01:58] <Laser_away> bbiab
[01:58] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, not Kamion, but mdz.
[01:59] <gnomefreak> sabdfl might be an extra or a silent
[01:59] <gnomefreak> i havent seeen him at the tb meetings ive been to
[01:59] <minghua> I remember elmo in my MOTU application meeting
[01:59] <tseng> Laser_away: I shoudl be
[01:59] <tseng> haha
[01:59] <minghua> maybe I remember wrong, maybe things changed
[01:59] <tseng> TB is awful
[01:59] <tseng> trying to match up times for everyone
[02:00] <ajmitch> nearly impossible
[02:00] <gnomefreak> kcc is the only one without that issue that i know if
[02:00] <gnomefreak> or kc
[02:00] <fowlduck> kfc?
[02:00] <fowlduck> mmmmm
[02:00] <gnomefreak> kubuntu council
[02:00] <fowlduck> hehe j/k
[02:00] <fowlduck> anyways
[02:01] <gnomefreak> maintainer = debian qa group does that mean its likely not to be fixed or do we have them around ubuntu channels?
[02:07] <Fujitsu> Does anybody around here have an Edgy or Dapper PPC I can test some maxima stuff on?
[02:07] <plugwash> how much do you reckon debian will miss their release date by this time then?
[02:08] <plugwash> oops was scrolled up
[02:08] <gnomefreak> Fujitsu: sorry i dream of a ppc someday :)
[02:09] <plugwash> gnomefreak iirc maintainer set to "debian qa group" means there is no maintainer
[02:09] <minghua> gnomefreak: that equals to "no active maintainer" in Debian
[02:09] <gnomefreak> oh great
[02:09] <minghua> gnomefreak: but bugs can still be fixed if patches are provided and someone can review it
[02:09] <plugwash> i'd imagine someone could still nmu a patch though
[02:09] <gnomefreak> python-gnome should be desktop maintainers shouldnt?
[02:10] <gnomefreak> let me see if i can file this under pyton-gtk instead of python-gnome as it fits better
[02:10] <minghua> you don't need NMU, debian QA group has a list, get a patch ready and tested, then ask that list to upload a new release
[02:11] <gnomefreak> nope
[02:11] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm
[02:11] <minghua> are we talking about GTK/GNOME 1.x stuff here?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> yes :(
[02:12] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:12] <gnomefreak> python-gtk-1.2
[02:12] <gnomefreak> is the messed up package
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Hm.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> The Edgy Beta alternate installer didn't ask me for a username or password... I suspect it might have been because my initial partitioning failed.
[02:24] <fowlduck> Fujitsu: at least your keyboard works
[02:24] <gnomefreak> mine works too :)
[02:54] <minghua> "   * Add size test, which fails on any debhelper program of more than 150 lines (excluding POD). This is not a joke, and 100 lines would be better."
[02:54] <minghua> joeyh sure writes entertaining changelog entries
[03:03] <LaserJock> tseng: haha, true
[03:04] <tseng> wb
[03:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:08] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[03:08] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:09] <rmjb> who's the Utnubu Team?
[03:09] <LaserJock> I think those are Debian Developers
[03:09] <LaserJock> they try to take Ubuntu work and put it back into Debian
[03:10] <rmjb> has the freeze taken effect?
[03:10] <LaserJock> yes
[03:10] <rmjb> shoot
[03:10] <ajmitch> about a week ago
[03:10] <rmjb> there's a problem with dmraid
[03:10] <rmjb> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dmraid/+bug/54246
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54246 in dmraid "DMRAID stopped to work in kernels > 2.6.15" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:10] <ajmitch> you can get freeze exceptions
[03:10] <rmjb> some guy just uploaded a deb, but he's not a pacakger
[03:11] <ajmitch> see last URL of topic
[03:11] <ajmitch> sid doesn't have rc11 either
[03:11] <rmjb> I was wondering if someone could take a look at it... without it edgy wont have fakeraid support... even tho dapper did
[03:12] <LaserJock> me neither
[03:12] <rmjb> oh...
[03:12] <ajmitch> I always use the kernel's software RAID
[03:12] <LaserJock> I don't use RAID at all
[03:12] <rmjb> I can test the package, but I can't verify the packaging
[03:12] <TheMuso> I have the hardware, but don't have the desire to screw hard drives up just to write some metadata to them.
[03:12] <ajmitch> ok
[03:12] <ajmitch> I'll look at the package tonight, if at all possible
[03:12] <LaserJock> TheMuso: haha
[03:12] <ajmitch> no guarantees :)
[03:13] <rmjb> cool, it's just when I came to ubuntu under dapper I saw a lot of posts asking about getting SATA RAID working and the stock response was to install dmraid
[03:14] <TheMuso> You know if people care about it so much, they should write a spec for it to get integrated.
[03:14] <rmjb> if it's broken in edgy a lot of hardware enthusiasts will be really disappointed
[03:14] <rmjb> oh... isn't the spec process reserved for members?
[03:14] <TheMuso> rmjb: Its nothing to be so enthused about.
[03:14] <TheMuso> Not that I know of.
[03:15] <rmjb> I like to say I have RAID0... even if there's some software involed and the low level
[03:15] <TheMuso> If I ever use RAID, and I intend to for my server project, it will be hardware RAID.
[03:15] <ajmitch> TheMuso: why?
[03:15] <rmjb> this RAID is in the hardware... kinda
[03:16] <ajmitch> usually quite badly
[03:16] <ajmitch> I find that the kernel's software RAID tends to be the best
[03:16] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I'd rather not have the CPUs doing the work.
[03:16] <LaserJock> how much work does it have to do?
[03:16] <TheMuso> And I thought at the moment one can't use software raid with LVM.
[03:16] <LaserJock> like in % CPU
[03:17] <rmjb> it's not that much of a hit, I've a Sepmron 1800+ running a Soft RAID5 and it's fine
[03:17] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Probably not a lot, but since this project is being done over a long period of time, I feel I can take the time to invest in the hardware to do it.
[03:17] <rmjb> LVM2 works I think
[03:17] <TheMuso> DOes d-i support LVM2?
[03:18] <TheMuso> More precisely, dapper's d-i?
[03:18] <rmjb> one advantage of software RAID is your RAID controller wont go bad and corrupt your array... which happened at a place I worked
[03:18] <rmjb> what's d-i?
[03:18] <Toadstool> TheMuso: hardware RAID controllers are expensive and when they break...
[03:18] <TheMuso> Debian installer.
[03:18] <TheMuso> Toadstool: Thats true.
[03:19] <LaserJock> well, software breaks too
[03:19] <Toadstool> LaserJock: yeah but repairing it is cheaper ;)
[03:19] <LaserJock> heh, true
[03:20] <ajmitch> software RAID is also much more flexible
[03:20] <Toadstool> true
[03:20] <rmjb> software usually only breaks when it upgrades to a bug, and repair is easier yeah, any linux system with mdadm can rebuild a soft-raid
[03:20] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Yeah true.
[03:20] <rmjb> you'll need the exact hardware to rebuild a hard-raid
[03:20] <TheMuso> Is it possible to buy sata cards that have a lot of ports on them, and the card not be RAID?
[03:21] <rmjb> most of those cards can work in a non raid mode
[03:23] <ajmitch> buying the exact hardware when you've had a RAID controller fail could be a nightmare
[03:23] <TheMuso> Yeah theres that
[03:24] <ajmitch> including a friend who had to rebuild his RAID array at work every year or so due to some transient errors
[03:25] <rmjb> mdadm is pretty solid, I've removed a failed drive and replaced it and rebuilt with mdadm already, no issues
[03:25] <rmjb> mdadm = linux soft-raid
[03:26] <rmjb> someone mentioned getting fakeraid support into the spec, how would you go about doing that? get a member to recommend it and let the Technical Team decide on it?
[03:27] <rmjb> and once it's in the spec there would be priority on ensuring it's working with each release right?
[03:27] <crimsun> rather, /you/ spec it and implement it.
[03:28] <rmjb> I don't need to be a member to do that?
[03:28] <crimsun> nope.
[03:29] <crimsun> you do need an LP account, though (which is, of course, free to create and use).
[03:29] <rmjb> okay then, I'll propose it for edgy+1
[03:29] <rmjb> I've got me an LP account already
[03:33] <TheMuso> Hmm. Seems that if one wants a SATA card with lots of ports, they only come in RAID flavours.
[03:33] <TheMuso> At least so far as I can find here in Aus.
[03:33] <TheMuso> Or maybe just go 2 4-port cards.
[03:33] <TheMuso> hmmm
[03:33] <ajmitch> TheMuso: why do you need that many SATA drives?
[03:34] <TheMuso> ajmitch: For future expansion. The server won't have that much initially, but will be going in a full tower case, with the capacity for 10 or so drives.
[03:35] <ajmitch> but not the $$ to fill it up
[03:35] <TheMuso> As I said, certainly won't be full right away, but for future expansion.
[03:36] <ajmitch> plus mine is just a little desktop box for home :)
[03:36] <TheMuso> ajmitch: You using any raid with that box?
[03:36] <rmjb> can always add more sata cards
[03:36] <TheMuso> Yeah, but I'd like to keep one or two slots for digital TV tuner cards.
[03:36] <ajmitch> TheMuso: software RAID
[03:36] <TheMuso> ajmitch: What level?
[03:37] <ajmitch> 5
[03:37] <TheMuso> Right.
[03:37] <TheMuso> How many drives?
[03:37] <ajmitch> 3
[03:37] <TheMuso> What if you want to add to that array? Is it trivial to do so?
[03:37] <TheMuso> As in, add another drive.
[03:39] <TheMuso> Just trying to work out whether RAID 5, or pairs of drives in RAID 1 with LVM would be better etc. I have heard different opinions from different people.
[03:41] <ajmitch> TheMuso: yes, I could extend the array
[03:41] <ajmitch> and then extend the LVM volume on top of that & then the filesystem
[03:41] <TheMuso> Right.
[03:42] <ajmitch> mdadm 2.5 (not in edgy) has more support for online-resizing of raid 5
[03:42] <TheMuso> But all the drives have to be the same capacity right
[03:42] <ajmitch> no
[03:42] <ajmitch> well, I'm not entirely sure about RAID 5 rules
[03:42] <ajmitch> since all mine were bought at the same time
[03:43] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:25] <jdong> ajmitch / TheMuso: regarding sw raid, with 5 or 6 all disks should be the same size
[04:25] <jdong> else md will waste the extra space
[04:26] <jdong> which is probably not what you want
[04:27] <jdong> for raid 0, md will just not stripe excess space
[04:36] <LaserJock> cool, I got gallery set up on my site
[04:36] <LaserJock> put up some Paris pics
[04:37] <crimsun> the raging motu-aholic solidifies his Web presence.
[04:37] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[04:38] <zul> LaserJock: whats the url again?
[04:38] <LaserJock> www.laserjock.us
[04:40] <theCore> LaserJock, drupal?
[04:40] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:44] <theCore> I think I will write my own little cms
[04:44] <theCore> it could be fun...
[04:44] <theCore> ...but also a waste of time
[04:46] <LaserJock> heh
[04:46] <LaserJock> there seems to be quite a few out there
[04:47] <theCore> yeah, but they are all bloated ;)
[04:47] <theCore> I'm capricious
[04:48] <joejaxx> LaserJock: may i pm you?
[04:49] <LaserJock> joejaxx: sure
[04:55] <rmjb> TheMuso: about all drives being the same size
[04:56] <rmjb> mdadm will use the smallest size across all the devices
[04:56] <rmjb> but if your parition well, you can claim excess space as new regular or lvm partitions
[04:57] <rmjb> there will be performance issues with that though
[04:58] <rmjb> your = you
[04:59] <rmjb> g'night all
[05:57] <marshall> hey guys
[05:58] <marshall> can somebody tell me what galago is exactly
[05:58] <jldugger> looks like the launchpad cert expired =|
[06:36] <LaserJock> lots of activity
[06:37] <ajmitch> yep
[06:56] <tepsipakki> I'm going through bugs that don't have a package assignment.. first up: bug 27789 would be easy to fix, just sync php-doc from debian
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27789 in Ubuntu "php-doc package missing" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27789
[07:39] <imbrandon> moins all
[07:39] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[07:39] <TheMuso> How goes it?
[07:40] <imbrandon> good , just wakin up ;)
[07:40] <imbrandon> checkthe the gcc build logs after some patches and a restart before i went to bed
[07:40] <imbrandon> looked like it made it 90% of the way this time
[07:40] <imbrandon> look:
[07:40] <imbrandon> dpkg-deb: building package `g++-4.1-powerpc-linux-gnu' in `../g++-4.1-powerpc-linux-gnu_4.1.1-13ubuntu4_i386.deb'.
[07:41] <imbrandon> and a few others BUT not all of them ;(
[07:41] <TheMuso> hehe sounds fun.
[07:41] <imbrandon> i'm gonna figure this out if it kills me, heh , i also found where someone made some sarge debs for the same thing i'm doing but no source for their patches
[07:42] <imbrandon> ;(
[07:42] <imbrandon> and its for the older gcc
[07:42] <imbrandon> 3.4.X i think
[07:43] <TheMuso> Fun fun fun
[07:43] <imbrandon> TheMuso, want the instructions for what i've done so far? maybe you can help me figure out the home stretch hehe, its choking on the dbg packages now becouse i removed dh_strip ( as it cant strip ppc binarys , unknown format )
[07:44] <TheMuso> imbrandon: I am actually pondering a less stressful solution.
[07:44] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[07:44] <imbrandon> hehe me too, i'm still gonna setup the build farm but i dont wanna let this beat me
[07:44] <TheMuso> I am actually thinking of selling my G3, and getting a quicksilver G4 dual 1Ghz machine off Ebay which has a few problems, which are easily fixable.
[07:44] <imbrandon> nice
[07:45] <imbrandon> yea check the ones at the geeks too , they are reasonably priced
[07:45] <TheMuso> The geeks?
[07:45] <imbrandon> i think after UDS i'm gonna sell my ibook too and get a faster ppc laptop
[07:45] <imbrandon> but i cant before then as its my only laptop and i'll need a lappy ;)
[07:45] <TheMuso> Hehe true.
[07:46] <imbrandon> yea the geesk, let me get the exact url
[07:46] <imbrandon> s/s//
[07:46] <TheMuso> imbrandon: But if you have instructions on what you have done so far, that would be cool.
[07:46] <imbrandon> yea i do, its actualy not that much with instructions, can be recreated in 15 minutes, its just jumping through hoops now
[07:46] <imbrandon> heh
[07:47] <imbrandon> one sec lemme get the url to geeks and then i'll tell you all how so far
[07:48] <TheMuso> Ok.
[07:49] <imbrandon> TheMuso, http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=810
[07:51] <minghua> imbrandon: of course you are going to have problems with -dbg packages if you comment out dh_strip
[07:52] <imbrandon> minghua, oh i know ;)
[07:52] <minghua> good :-)
[07:52] <imbrandon> minghua, i was just giving the "update" on where i was ;)
[07:52] <minghua> okay
[07:54] <minghua> hope they are useful to someone.  my impression about imbradon's attempt for a cross-compile environment so far is simple:  Bradon started trying to build a ppc environment -> Bradon's hard drive broke -> Bradon got a new hard drive -> Bradon started over again  :-)
[07:55] <imbrandon> well the new hdd isnt here yet, i started over in a chroot on a amd64 shell i have ;)
[07:55] <imbrandon> hdd should be here in the next day or two ;)
[07:55] <imbrandon> but basicly yea
[07:55] <minghua> hmm, so my short summary is still inaccurate :-(
[07:58] <TheMuso> hehe
[07:59] <TheMuso> imbrandon: WHy do you keep such odd hours?
[07:59] <imbrandon> hum no real reason, i'm just a night owl
[08:00] <jldugger> because one can ;)
[08:00] <imbrandon> yea ;)
[08:00] <imbrandon> heya jldugger
[08:00] <jldugger> hey
[08:00] <jldugger> imbrandon, did i mention i got right click to work in gnome with my tablet pen?
[08:00] <imbrandon> ok making the cross compiler page
[08:00] <imbrandon> jldugger, nope
[08:01] <imbrandon> well not to me
[08:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:01] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Does it annoy those who live with you?
[08:01] <jldugger> heh, everyone in my apartment is still up
[08:01] <imbrandon> TheMuso, nah not really, i rent the bottom of the house so its pretty much like i live alone
[08:01] <TheMuso> Right.
[08:02] <TheMuso> Do you have to share the net with everybody else?
[08:02] <imbrandon> unless i cracnk the music way up or something
[08:02] <imbrandon> TheMuso, well i dont HAVE to as its mine but i run cat5 up there becouse the old man ( 65ish ) only checks his email
[08:02] <imbrandon> even set him up on kubuntu
[08:02] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:03] <TheMuso> Right.
[08:03] <imbrandon> but the line comming in is mine and i control it , and let them use it ( since they use it so very little )
[08:04] <imbrandon> he could really be on dialup and be happy but its just easier this way ;)
[08:06] <TheMuso> True that.
[08:06] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Howd that stuff with the job in Europe go?
[08:07] <imbrandon> they hired some locals as to not have to deal with imagration ;(
[08:07] <imbrandon> but said they "would keep me on the list" heh
[08:08] <TheMuso> Damn.
[08:08] <TheMuso> So I guess you are still looking?
[08:08] <imbrandon> yup yup
[08:10] <TheMuso> imbrandon: I am looking for work also. SO you're not really alone in that.
[08:10] <TheMuso> Hey Fujitsu.
[08:10] <Fujitsu> Hi TheMuso.
[08:10] <imbrandon> wb Fujitsu
[08:10] <imbrandon> TheMuso, ;)
[08:11] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[08:11] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: What needs testing?
[08:11] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, i have edgy ppc give me a few minutes to finish up this doc on cross compiler then i'll try what you want
[08:11] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, there's a nasty bug in the Dapper version which causes it to just hang, apparently, and a lot of people are annoyed about this. I'm trying to fix it.
[08:12] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: What package?
[08:12] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, maxima.
[08:12] <Fujitsu> That'd be great, imbrandon :)
[08:13] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Twill have to be you, as I don't have X installed on my ppc atm.
[08:13] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, X isn't a requirement.
[08:13] <TheMuso> hmm ok then.
[08:13] <Fujitsu> There are graphical frontends, but maxima itself is CLI.
[08:14] <TheMuso> Installing...
[08:18] <Fujitsu> Edgy or Dapper, TheMuso?
[08:18] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: How is one supposed to test this?
[08:18] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: edgy.
[08:18] <Fujitsu> Aha, it's bug #37169, and isn't currently known to affect Edgy, I want it tested :)
[08:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37169 in maxima "Maxima hangs on ppc Dapper" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37169
[08:19] <Fujitsu> If it's not too much trouble, can you install the latest Dapper version, and try to run that? It should do the same as it would on a Dapper system.
[08:20] <Fujitsu> If only we had a nice MOTU build/test-farm :(
[08:20] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Same simptoms as in that bug report.
[08:21] <minghua> uh-oh
[08:21] <TheMuso> I get the same output with maxima -v it seems.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> The Edgy version still has that bug?
[08:21] <Fujitsu> This is with the Edgy version?
[08:21] <TheMuso> Yes.
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Darn it.
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Thanks for testing that.
[08:22] <TheMuso> np
[08:23] <TheMuso> And like the report, it also uses up 99-100% CPU.
[08:23] <minghua> Fujitsu: does maxima run tests during the package building?
[08:23] <Fujitsu> minghua, yes, I believe it does. I don't know how it could have passed.
[08:24] <minghua> that's what I am wondering
[08:24] <minghua> let me dig the build log a bit
[08:24] <Fujitsu> OK, I'm sorta in the middle of something else at the moment... Can you tell me when it was last built?
[08:24] <minghua> TheMuso: what is your maxima version?
[08:25] <minghua> the debian package version, i.e. dpkg -l maxima
[08:25] <minghua> Fujitsu: LP says it's not built yet
[08:25] <TheMuso> luke@lars:~$ dpkg -l maxima
[08:25] <TheMuso> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[08:25] <TheMuso> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[08:25] <TheMuso> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[08:25] <TheMuso> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[08:25] <TheMuso> +++-[08:25] <Fujitsu> Wait, what am I on!? I just uploaded it two days ago, I'm truly being silly.
[08:25] <TheMuso> ii  maxima         5.9.2-2ubuntu1 A fairly complete computer algebra system--
[08:26] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, are you serious!?
[08:26] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Yes. Note that this is from a .au mirror.
[08:26] <minghua> now we probably know why it doesn't build on non-i386...
[08:26] <Fujitsu> That's prehistoric. I should have noticed that.
[08:26] <TheMuso> I can switch to the main archive if you like.
[08:26] <Fujitsu> PPC is on dep-wait.
[08:27] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, don't bother. YOu're 4 versions old, only i386 is recent.
[08:27] <Fujitsu> Fsck.
[08:27] <Fujitsu> Stupid thing... Doesn't notify me when there are build-failures, of course.
[08:28] <minghua> hehe
[08:28] <Fujitsu> PPC gcl failed to build.
[08:28] <minghua> yeah, maxima was last built on ppc on 2006-05-02 14:38:58 CDT
[08:28] <TheMuso> How can one set up to be notified of build failures?
[08:28] <Fujitsu> Great:
[08:28] <Fujitsu> Unrecoverable error: GBC is not enabled.
[08:28] <minghua> which sounds the dapper version to me (which we know doesn't work)
[08:28] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, you can't. It doesn't work yet.
[08:28] <minghua> /sighs
[08:28] <Fujitsu> minghua, yes, that's the Dapper version.
[08:28] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Right.
[08:29] <TheMuso> We so need that.
[08:29] <TheMuso> As for the build farm, it seems that at least some of us are trying to work on that.
[08:29] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, can you please apt-get source --build gcl?
[08:30] <Fujitsu> Hopefully it was just a buildd having a heart attack.
[08:30] <TheMuso> I'm on it.
[08:30] <minghua> I always put the bug on "fix committed" status after uploading the fix, and change to "fix released" why it builds on all arches
[08:30] <TheMuso> DOwnloading now.
[08:30] <minghua> just as a reminder to myself
[08:30] <Fujitsu> minghua, as do I, generally, but there wasn't a bug on this.
[08:30] <TheMuso> minghua: THats what I/my uploaders have been doing.
[08:34] <minghua> Fujitsu: I see
[08:34] <minghua> apparently everybody want to track build failures on LP
[08:35] <TheMuso> SOurce still unpacking.
[08:35] <TheMuso> meh need to install build-deps
[08:38] <Fujitsu> Thanks a lot for this, TheMuso.
[08:38] <TheMuso> np
[08:39] <TheMuso> Still fetching packages.
[08:43] <imbrandon> TheMuso, ping
[08:43] <TheMuso> imbrandon: pong
[08:43] <imbrandon> TheMuso, http://www.imbrandon.com/ubuntu-cross-compiler-howto/  here is where i'm at, should take about 15 minutes to get to the same spot
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon hey
[08:43] <imbrandon> its not a work of art, but i'll clean it up as i go
[08:43] <TheMuso> imbrandon: ok thanks dood
[08:43] <imbrandon> hello Admiral_Chicago
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm thinking about being a package maintainer
[08:43] <Admiral_Chicago> whan do you think?
[08:44] <Admiral_Chicago> i have no idea how to do it though.
[08:44] <imbrandon> Admiral_Chicago, cool, if thats what you want to do ;)
[08:44] <imbrandon> read the package guide to start your self off
[08:44] <Fujitsu> Anybody have any idea what a GBC is? I find it unlikely that gcl on PPC requires a Gameboy Color...
[08:44] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon i have the links
[08:44] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, lol
[08:44] <Admiral_Chicago> but i'll probably get to them some time later this week
[08:45] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Ok, it is now attempting to be built.
[08:45] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, it unfortunately takes ages...
[08:45] <TheMuso> How long is ages?
[08:45] <Fujitsu> Ah, this one finished with a few minutes, though.
[08:45] <imbrandon> Admiral_Chicago, cool, after a few weeks you should get the hang of it pretty fast
[08:45] <Admiral_Chicago> i hear that
[08:46] <Fujitsu> The entire build can take up to 1.5 hours on a Pentium M 1.6... But if it gets through the first 10 or 15 minutes, I'll say it works.
[08:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i still need to become a member of Ubuntu...how does that occur
[08:46] <imbrandon> !newmember
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about newmember - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:46] <imbrandon> hum one sec
[08:47] <imbrandon> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NewMemberHowto
[08:47] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Ok, since I am dealing with a G3 300 here, that could be quite a while./
[08:49] <TheMuso> imbrandon: debian/rules control to do with to do with gcc. What do you mean by that?
[08:50] <imbrandon> actualy type that on the command line
[08:50] <imbrandon> it will prep the build
[08:50] <TheMuso> ah right.
[08:50] <TheMuso> I get it now.
[08:54] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: It is compiling now, so we'll see what happens.
[08:54] <TheMuso> imbrandon: So I guess that is not the complete procedure?
[08:55] <imbrandon> well it is
[08:55] <imbrandon> but the gcc compile needs a bit of love
[08:56] <TheMuso> Which you are still working out right?
[08:56] <imbrandon> as in i've had to patch a few of the *.install files from the /debian dir
[08:56] <imbrandon> right
[08:56] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, what stage is it up to? Has it passed configure?
[08:56] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Yes.
[08:57] <Fujitsu> It failed while make was in gcl-2.6.7/unixport, so once it passes through the directory, we should be OK.
[08:58] <TheMuso> Not up to there yet.
[08:58] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: I am going out for a walk, I will let you know how its going when I get back if thats ok.
[08:59] <Fujitsu> OK, that's fine. I'll be gone in about 40 minutes for about 3 or 4 hours, but I'll leave my client open, so you can /msg me if I'm not around :)
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Again, many thanks... It's non-trivial to fix this sort of thing without having a machine to test it on :)
[09:00] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Yeah I know.
[09:00] <TheMuso> I don't know whether you were here when I was telling imbrandon or not, but I was thinking of getting rid of this G3, and picking up a G4 dual 1Ghz quicksilver which needs a few repairs done to it, and using that.
[09:01] <TheMuso> Then I'd consider offering people build/test accounts on it.
[09:01] <Fujitsu> Ooh, nice.
[09:01] <Fujitsu> OK, I'm off for about 10 minutes now.
[09:01] <TheMuso> ok cya
[09:09] <superm1> imbrandon, imbrandon_ ping?
[09:10] <imbrandon> pong
[09:10] <superm1> ah hello
[09:12] <superm1> i had a couple of debdiff that I finished assembling to update mythtv and mythplugins related to some chatter here in the channel, some bugs on LP, and a newer debian revision from debian multimedia.  I was wondering if u could glance at them?  bug 64285 and bug 63486
[09:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64285 in mythtv "Update to newer debian multimedia revision" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64285
[09:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63486 in mythplugins "mythphone causes mythfrontend seg fault on amd64" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63486
[09:12] <imbrandon> sure
[09:13] <superm1> Thx
[09:24] <siretart> imbrandon: hey
[09:24] <siretart> imbrandon: I read you want to tackle bug #63130?
[09:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63130 in amarok "Amarok does not play *.shn files" [Undecided,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63130
[09:24] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[09:24] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[09:25] <siretart> imbrandon: if you do, would you mind doing it in the branch https://launchpad.net/people/siretart/+branch/xine-lib/xine-lib.ubuntu-main+repacked1.1.1.2?
[09:25] <siretart> imbrandon: this is my packaging branch for current xine in ubuntu
[09:26] <imbrandon> siretart, sure thing
[09:26] <imbrandon> infact i was just about to tackle that today
[09:35] <imbrandon> wow bzr is crazy slow sometimes
[09:35] <lifeless> imbrandon: what are you doing ?
[09:36] <lifeless> imbrandon: and what version ?
[09:37] <imbrandon> branching
[09:37] <imbrandon> and um latestest in edgy
[09:37] <imbrandon> lemme check
[09:37] <freeflying> imbrandon: not sometimes  :)
[09:37] <lifeless> imbrandon: from where to where ?
[09:37] <imbrandon> Bazaar (bzr) 0.11.0
[09:38] <imbrandon> lifeless, bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~siretart/xine-lib/xine-lib.ubuntu-main+repacked1.1.1.2
[09:38] <imbrandon> localy
[09:38] <lifeless> imbrandon: ok, that should not be slow :(
[09:38] <lifeless> for that operation, we can beat rsync at speed
[09:38] <imbrandon> its been running 3 minutesa and still halfway through step 1 / 4
[09:39] <imbrandon> s/step/phase
[09:39] <lifeless> one of the problems is that step 1 is about 10 times larger than the other steps combined, or more
[09:39] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:40] <imbrandon> whats it doing other then just grabbing a snapshot of the latest branch ?
[09:40] <siretart> it fetches the complete history?
[09:40] <imbrandon> shouldent it go atleaste at http speeds?
[09:41] <siretart> that branch contains ALL revision since xine started ;)
[09:41] <imbrandon> heh wow
[09:41] <dholbach> good morning
[09:41] <lifeless> imbrandon: as siretart says
[09:41] <siretart> morning dholbach!
[09:41] <imbrandon> moins dholbach
[09:41] <imbrandon> lifeless, wow , is there a "lite" branch or something to only get the latest revision like svn ?
[09:42] <dholbach> hey siretart, imbrandon
[09:42] <lifeless> imbrandon: there is, but at the moment it still pulls essentially the same data. however, with the smart server in 0.12 it should be about the same as svn
[09:42] <lifeless> its 'checkout --lightweight' if you want to use it now, though like I say - it wont be fast
[09:42] <imbrandon> nice , cool , i'll be looking forward to it ;)
[09:42] <imbrandon> yea i'll wait , no biggie heh
[09:43] <lifeless> anyway, it shold finish in a minute or two
[09:43] <lifeless> siretart: whats the revno in that branch ?
[09:43] <imbrandon> yup just did 466 revisions ;)_
[09:44] <imbrandon> s/_//
[09:44] <tepsipakki> any ideas how to use a OTHERMIRROR with pbuilder which is signed? update complains about the signature, as it would
[09:45] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: FTBFS
[09:46] <imbrandon> siretart, would you rather me put this in its own diff or mv ubuntu2.diff ubuntu3.diff add it to that and change the rules accordingly
[09:52] <siretart> imbrandon: err, sorry?
[09:52] <imbrandon> right now to have one large ubutnu2.diff
[09:52] <sivang> morning
[09:52] <imbrandon> ubuntu2*
[09:53] <siretart> why a large ubuntu2.diff? whats in there?
[09:53] <imbrandon> yes
[09:53] <siretart> I understand the patch is rather small?
[09:53] <imbrandon> thats whats there currently , not a debian/patches
[09:53] <imbrandon> yea its tiny, 3 or 4 lines
[09:54] <siretart> xine-lib doesn't use dpatch or stuff
[09:54] <imbrandon> no no currently , untouched by me , the bzr checkout there is a large debian/ubuntu2.diff
[09:54] <siretart> just plain bzr
[09:54] <imbrandon> for the changes from debian proper i'm guessing
[09:55] <siretart> I maintain xine in both debian and ubuntu. I have different branches, but I exchange revisions here and there
[09:55] <imbrandon> ahh ok , so just patch the source directly and push my branch for you to look at ?
[09:56] <siretart> jepp. that would be most convinient for me
[09:56] <imbrandon> rockin
[09:56] <imbrandon> k
[09:56] <siretart> if thats too painfull for you, I can also fetch your upload, generate a debdiff and import that
[09:57] <imbrandon> no thats fine by me, its just not how i'm used to doing it so i wanted to be clear
[09:57] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:57] <siretart> :)
[09:58] <tepsipakki> to answer my question about pbuilder: I used APTCONFDIR, that copies amongst others the trusted.gpg to the chroot
[09:59] <tepsipakki> and it seems to work.
[09:59] <imbrandon> tepsipakki, sounds about right
[09:59] <tepsipakki> maybe some sort of a hook would also do, especially if I'd want to use other suite than the host system
[10:01] <tepsipakki> there, nfs-common_1.0.10-1 built for dapper ;)
[10:02] <tepsipakki> it didn't before, since the necessary libraries were on the local repository
[10:11] <imbrandon> siretart, ok pushing now, i'll poke ya when its done
[10:16] <imbrandon> TheMuso, great email, i'll add some of my comments on this later this afternoon ( maybe sooner ) once i've woken up a bit more ;)
[10:16] <TheMuso> Ok np.
[10:19] <tepsipakki> siretart: about bug 64189, it is now assigned to me (yay!), but I've got no upload rights :)
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64189 in libpam-krb5 "UVF: please sync from debian" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64189
[10:23] <imbrandon> well if its a sync you shouldent need upload rights
[10:23] <tepsipakki> right, but I need to poke someone?
[10:24] <imbrandon> subscribe ubuntu-archive, looks like all the other ducks are in a row
[10:24] <imbrandon> and they will get to it on the next archive round
[10:25] <tepsipakki> ah, alright!
[10:26] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: thanks for filing that
[10:26] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: I wanted a new libpam-krb5 as well
[10:26] <ajmitch> siretart: shall we get libpam-heimdal in also?
[10:27] <tepsipakki> ajmitch: np, it was on my list before but I've been offline for a while ;)
[10:27] <tepsipakki> actually since June
[10:27] <siretart> ajmitch: sure
[10:27] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:27] <siretart> tepsipakki: see the MOTU FAQ
[10:27] <ajmitch> siretart: you saw my note about it being the same source?
[10:27] <siretart> ajmitch: I remember that. yes
[10:29] <tepsipakki> siretart: ok, maybe I'll keep remembering stuff better gradually ;)
[11:06] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[11:07] <sivang> hey ajmitch , \sh
[11:08] <\sh> moins
[11:41] <imbrandon> siretart, ping
[01:02] <imbrandon> heya dholbach
[01:02] <dholbach> heya imbrandon
[01:40] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, oh darn.
[01:42] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Want a build log?
[01:42] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, yes please :)
[01:44] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/gcl-build.log
[01:44] <Fujitsu> Exactly the same error :(
[01:45] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: the patch didn't fix it?
[01:45] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, different thing. gcl from Debian FTBFS on PPC Edgy.
[02:47] <TheMuso> c
[02:47] <TheMuso> damn wrong console. :)
[02:49] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, you seem to often do that :)
[02:51] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Yeah.
[02:51] <TheMuso> I often think my hands can work as fast as my brain. :)
[03:04] <TheMuso> If any MOTU sponsors could please review the debdiff attached to Malone #63897 that would be great. Thanks.
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63897 in speech-tools "source package will not build on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63897
[03:05] <Fujitsu> That's in main.
[03:05] <TheMuso> No its not
[03:06] <StevenK> speech-tools | 1:1.2.3-9.3 | http://au.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe Packages
[03:06] <StevenK> TheMuso wins.
[03:06] <Fujitsu> On the LP page:
[03:06] <Fujitsu> Component:  main
[03:06] <imbrandon> speech-tools | 1:1.2.3-9.3 | http://192.168.1.5 edgy/main Sources
[03:06] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, wins
[03:07] <Fujitsu> Yeah, the source is in main.
[03:07] <imbrandon> source main , package universe?
[03:07] <imbrandon> heh
[03:07] <StevenK> That's .... odd.
[03:07] <TheMuso> ah yes I see
[03:07] <TheMuso> Ok.
[03:07] <imbrandon> wonder why
[03:07] <Fujitsu> It produces a library as well, which I believe is in main.
[03:07] <TheMuso> I'll fix that one up
[03:08] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:08] <TheMuso> Yeah looks like it/.
[03:08] <Fujitsu> Yeah, libestools1.2 is in main.
[03:08] <imbrandon> TheMuso, just a bashism fix? i can upload
[03:09] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Yeah. Thats what the bug report is about
[03:09] <TheMuso> So I just applied the fix.
[03:09] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, the diff is trivial.
[03:09] <imbrandon> kk i got it, no need to fix the bug
[03:09] <TheMuso> ok
[03:11] <TheMuso> imbrandon: BTW have you had more thoughts on the build farm project?
[03:12] <imbrandon> TheMuso, uploaded and bug closed
[03:12] <TheMuso> Thanks dude.
[03:12] <imbrandon> TheMuso, yea makin a email now
[03:12] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:07] <TheMuso> Wow. Major IRC breakage.
[04:08] <StevenK> Why oh why does the second assignment need to be ASP.
[04:09] <bddebian> Becase ASP ROCKS :)
[04:09] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:10] <bddebian> heh
[04:11] <thom> StevenK: asp.NIT?
[04:12] <StevenK> Anything that furthers Visual Basic as a viable language is something to be avoided in my opinion.
[04:12] <bddebian> ASP != Visual Basic
[04:13] <StevenK> It is when language="VBScript"
[04:13] <bddebian> VBScript != Visual Basic either
[04:13] <bddebian> But you can also write ASP in JScript, C#, etc :)
[04:14] <StevenK> bddebian: My point is it isn't a .. real language, like Perl, Python or Ruby.
[04:14] <bddebian> :-)
[04:21] <TheMuso> Bedtime I think.
[04:25] <StevenK> % dpkg -c verbiste_0.1.14-1.1build1_amd64.deb | grep locale.al
[04:25] <StevenK> -rw-r--r-- root/root      2666 2006-10-07 00:24:17 ./usr/share/locale/locale.alias
[04:25] <StevenK> Leet.
[04:37] <superm1> imbrandon, did you get a chance the last few hours to take a look at the two debdiffs I had up there?
[04:44] <freeflying> can I ask sync a new package from sid now?
[04:50] <imbrandon> superm1, not yet but i will today
[04:52] <superm1> Oh ok.  wasn't sure how busy you were
[04:52] <superm1> Have a good day then, i'll be off to work shortly. :)
[05:09] <crimsun> freeflying: if it's a brand new one not currently in Ubuntu, it needs to adhere to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF
[05:10] <freeflying> crimsun: thanks
[05:10] <crimsun> np
[05:41] <matid> Any MIT student here?
[05:50] <sladen> matid: ask mako
[05:51] <matid> sladen: Thanks, I'll get in touch with him
[05:51] <sladen> matid: you after PGP signing or somesuch?
[05:52] <matid> sladen: Not really, I'd like to apply and I want to get some testimonials
[05:53] <matid> I need to know if it's manageable to both study and work, what are the expenses, etc.
[05:53] <matid> But if mako is working at MIT, I think he should know
[06:20] <LaserJock> nixternal: ping
[06:21] <nixternal> pong
[06:21] <LaserJock> nixternal: seriously, I post a lengthly philosophical blog post and all you have to comment on is my lack of hair? ;-)
[06:21] <nixternal> hahahaha
[06:22] <nixternal> i kind of figured that was what the ping was about ;)
[06:24] <nixternal> i think the lack of hair displays your true philosophical nature and is only an attribute some of us weren't blessed with ;)
[06:25] <LaserJock> hehe, well when I wear my glasses my true nerdy chemist look shows ;-)
[06:25] <LaserJock> haha
[06:25] <LaserJock> my Gimp skills are really bad
[06:26] <LaserJock> it took me several tries to get that hackergotchi
[06:26] <nixternal> i thought i was going to be good and not go through with loosing hair..as my dad hasn't yet, but my younger bro is almost bald..well it seems the crown is starting to thin
[06:26] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:26] <LaserJock> my dad is pretty bald
[06:26] <nixternal> i am a mad man when it comes to hackergotchi's...i can pump them out in a matter of 1 to 2 minutes now
[06:27] <LaserJock> my older brother is pretty much bald
[06:27] <nixternal> only took me a million tries though to become and expert
[06:27] <LaserJock> my grandpa had all his hair
[06:27] <LaserJock> and I thought I'd maybe get some of his genes
[06:27] <nixternal> haha
[06:27] <LaserJock> but alas, it was not to be
[06:27] <LaserJock> and now he is bald as he just started chemo
[06:27] <nixternal> ya, i thought i would get or had the same genes as my dad...boy was i wrong
[06:28] <nixternal> well chemo is cheating in order to get the bald effect
[06:28] <nixternal> my neighbor who i have known all my life just started, and she has lost all her hair as well
[06:29] <phanatic> good evening
[06:29] <nixternal> i bought an ubuntu hat for her, but good old cafe pres sent me a piece of garbage that lasted a solid month and fell apart
[06:29] <nixternal> hiya phanatic
[06:29] <phanatic> hey nixternal
[06:30] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Who do I need to talk to about Cinerella? To get it packaged and in a repo?
[06:33] <LaserJock> _MMA_: the MOTU I would imagine :-)
[06:35] <_MMA_> :)
[06:36] <_MMA_> LaserJock: I just built a new disk. Our base + the audio apps. 674megs.
[06:36] <LaserJock> nixternal: yeah, we need some better Ubuntu merchendise ;-)
[06:36] <LaserJock> _MMA_: did you remove everything you were talking about last night?
[06:37] <LaserJock> _MMA_: and is that a live cd?
[06:37] <_MMA_> Yes its live. Heres the "remove" list:
[06:38] <_MMA_> deskbar-applet diveintopython yelp xvncviewer rhythmbox gnopernicus gok screensaver-default-images xscreensaver-data xscreensaver-gl gnome-accessibility-themes f-spot example-content gnome-btdownload gaim edgy-wallpapers ekiga gimp gimp-data gimp-print gimp-python ubuntu-docs gnome-games-data openoffice.org* evolution* gnome2-user-guide libsane xsane xsane-common tsclient gnome-orca
[06:39] <_MMA_> Im gonna add somethings back in. Move others to other meta-packages.
[06:39] <sivang> is this part of the list of unmept deps? :-)
[06:39] <LaserJock> no
[06:39] <LaserJock> heh
[06:39] <LaserJock> it's a new derivative, mubuntu
[06:39] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mubuntu
[06:40] <_MMA_> WIKI still needs work.
[06:40] <LaserJock> _MMA_: you might look at adding back in a couple things that other apps will need. yelp is used I think a fair amount, as is the evolution-data-server
[06:41] <_MMA_> Yelp was one I was thinking. What else uses evolution-data-server?
[06:41] <LaserJock> I can't remember for sure, but more then just evolution
[06:41] <_MMA_> Ill look into it.
[06:42] <LaserJock> gnome-panel and gnome-contro-center depend on it
[06:43] <LaserJock> _MMA_: do apt-cache rdepends <packagename> to see what packages depend on <packagename>
[06:44] <_MMA_> I dont know. That package alone is 11megs. In what way do gnome-panel and gnome-contro-center depend on it?
[06:45] <_MMA_> If we can structure the disks the way I want its really no problem. That is still up in the air.
[06:45] <_MMA_> 2 CDs or 1 DVD. I dont know if the final say is up to me.
[06:46] <LaserJock> it depends on libedataserver1.2-7
[06:46] <LaserJock> how did you get you get it to work without taking out gnome-panel?
[06:47] <_MMA_> I just removed THAT package.
[06:47] <_MMA_> The live disk worked fine. :)
[06:47] <LaserJock> so did you renove libedataserver1.2-7
[06:47] <_MMA_> Lemmie look.
[06:48] <LaserJock> maybe more importantly, did you remove libedataserverui1.2-6
[06:50] <_MMA_> is 1.2-6 right?
[06:51] <LaserJock> I don't know sercher for the base
[06:51] <LaserJock> phew, I'm typing bad today
[06:53] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Crap. I have to go. Ill look into those packages and let you know. Do you want to test the .iso when I get it together?
[06:53] <LaserJock> ok, well it looks to me like it's just a Recommends: or Suggests: in gnome-panel and gnome-control-center
[06:53] <_MMA_> Ok.
[06:53] <_MMA_> not a dep.
[06:53] <LaserJock> so removing evolution-data-center itself isn't a problem
[06:53] <LaserJock> *evolution-data-server
[06:54] <LaserJock> I gotta go too
[06:54] <LaserJock> glad to hear you have a little space left though ;-)
[06:54] <_MMA_> Ill get better. For some reason lillypond-data didnt get pulled though.
[06:55] <_MMA_> Had to go back and add it.
[07:05] <LaserJock> _MMA_: btw, I mentioned mubuntu in my planet blog post ;-)
[07:06] <_MMA_> Nice. Thank you.
[07:07] <_MMA_> I really hope we can get out something that can aid some serious linux media creation. :)
[07:08] <_MMA_> Or... media creation on linux.
[07:32] <kristog> _MMA_AWAY: do you use cinelerra
[07:32] <kristog> ?
[07:44] <_MMA_AWAY> kristog: No sir I dont. But I see it as the equivalent to Ardour but for video. So I want to get it into the repos.
[08:00] <kristog> what cinelerra?
[08:02] <chillywilly> bah, just did a fresh install of dapper server edition and it hangs on the boot linux line :(
[08:02] <chillywilly> bah
[08:02] <bddebian>  noapic nolapic?
[08:02] <chillywilly> Ok, booting the kernel. line...guess I'll try again...
[08:02] <chillywilly> bddebian: I dunno man, it's a mini-ITX box
[08:04] <chillywilly> never had to put any special options in the last time I installed on it
[08:05] <chillywilly> tries*
[08:05] <_MMA_AWAY> kristog: I dont know what you mean by that.
[08:16] <kristog> _MMA_AWAY: do you want cinelerra in universe?
[08:18] <aigarius> who do I talk to get an update of a universe package to (now frozen) edgy? bugfix release responding to bugs found by edgy beta testers.
[08:20] <kristog> what package?
[08:23] <aigarius> kristog: sbackup
[08:23] <_MMA_AWAY> kristog: Yes.
[08:24] <kristog> hello aigarius :)
[08:24] <kristog> _MMA_AWAY: cool, i guess you want try cinellera-CV (cvs.cinelerra.org)
[08:26] <_MMA_AWAY> kristog: There looks to be someone who maintains Ubuntu packages for cinerella-CV but I dont know why they dont try to get them in universe. They maintain Breezy and Dapper packages.
[08:26] <aigarius> kristog: hello indeed, didn't recognise you behind that irc nick :)
[08:26] <_MMA_AWAY> Im going to email them.
[08:26] <_MMA_AWAY> To see if they would work with me.
[08:30] <dholbach> aigarius: can you file a bug on that?
[08:30] <dholbach> aigarius:  http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/sbackup/+filebug ?
[08:30] <dholbach> as we're in freeze, somebody will have to step up to write a http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/UVF for it
[08:31] <dholbach> but I trust somebody in here will step up and do it :-)
[08:31] <dholbach> . o O { they can't ALL be lazy ;-) }
[08:36] <aigarius> need ack for syncing - https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/sbackup/+bug/64402
[08:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64402 in sbackup "Bugfix-only release 0.10.2 is available - please sync" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[08:38] <aigarius> no Ubuntu specific changes present, if that helps
[08:43] <keescook> If I have a bugfix (rather than a sync or upstream version) for something in universe, should I still open a UVF and attach my debdiff, build logs, etc?
[08:44] <aigarius> should I assing this to ubuntu-universe-sponsors or motu-uvf ?
[08:45] <dholbach> aigarius: motu-uvf - i'll take a look
[08:45] <dholbach> keescook: only if it's a new upstream release
[08:45] <aigarius> dholbach: ok, thanks
[08:46] <keescook> dholbach: okay, cool.  For bug fix stuff, should I attach the debdiff to the bug it fixes?  (I have an area on rookery I use for security uploads with pitti too)
[08:47] <dholbach> aigarius: thanks for your work on it - looks good
[08:47] <dholbach> keescook: debdiff is cool, yes
[08:47] <dholbach> keescook: attaching it is a good thing also - yeah
[08:48] <keescook> dholbach: okay.  who should I assign the bug to to get the upload through?
[08:48] <dholbach> for universe: ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[08:48] <dholbach> for universe/multiverse: ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[08:48] <dholbach> for main/restricted: ubuntu-main-sponsors
[08:48] <keescook> okay, thanks.
[08:48] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/FAQ links to the announcement mail
[08:49] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[09:06] <joejaxx> Gloubiboulga: hello
[09:06] <joejaxx> may i pm you?
[09:06] <Gloubiboulga> joejaxx, sure
[09:21] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon you around?
[09:23] <Admiral_Chicago> i suppose not
[09:24] <sivang> who's the guy that worked on the ubuntu packaging guide?
[09:26] <zul> LaserJock i think
[09:30] <LaserJock> woah
[09:30] <LaserJock> sivang: what's up, want to complain about the packaging guide?
[09:31] <sivang> LaserJock: I want to hug you for it, great reference for the "from scratch" packaging :-)
[09:31] <sivang> LaserJock: my favorite part
[09:31] <LaserJock> heh
[09:32] <sivang> thinking of letting my gf use it, to start doing some package for Ubuntu or so
[09:32] <LaserJock> it's not exactly complete, but it's getting there
[09:41] <sivang> LaserJock: I like it very much, this is the same piece that is shipped in Ubuntu docs right?
[09:41] <LaserJock> yep
[09:45] <sivang> LaserJock: cool
[09:45] <LaserJock> we also have a print version of the Dapper one on lulu.com
[09:46] <sivang> she's going to start IRCing a bit and maybe try get into packaging and development.
[09:46] <LaserJock> very cool
[09:56] <ajmitch> hi
[09:58] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:02] <liatm> Hi all
[10:06] <LaserJock> hi
[10:07] <LaserJock> yes, sivang was just saying something about that ;-)
[10:09] <liatm> LaserJock:  cool, he also sent me an RTFMing over your mannual (instead of directly mentoring me :-p  )
[10:10] <liatm> sladen: hi Paul, remember me ?
[10:10] <LaserJock> naughty sivang
[10:10] <LaserJock> sivang: didn't we MOTUs teach you better? ;-)
[10:13] <sivang> LaserJock: Well, every good study starts with some reading :) I'm not here right, anyhow :-)
[10:13] <LaserJock> liatm: have you read the whole thing?
[10:15] <liatm> LaserJock: i've just started reading  (finished the Introduction chapter allready :) )
[10:15] <LaserJock> good start then
[10:31] <dholbach> good night
[10:36] <LaserJock> cy dholbach
[10:51] <yosch> hi guys
[10:53] <yosch> anybody can give me pointers on where I need to look if I want to add things to the /home/ of the user created at boot time by the dapper livecd? casper?
[10:53] <yosch> i'm doing a little livecd remixing
[10:54] <LaserJock> well, you have to look at the scripts that are used to create the user's ~/
[10:55] <LaserJock> and modify them to do what you want
[10:55] <LaserJock> bddebian: did you do the scilab 4 stuff?
[10:55] <yosch> LaserJock: yep, can't seem to find them, will do some more aggressive grepping
[10:56] <Toadstool> yosch: maybe it uses /etc/skel...
[10:57] <yosch> Toadstool: mm, but I'd like to copy over more than just dotfiles
[10:58] <LaserJock> it uses scripts
[11:00] <yosch> LaserJock: I think I got it: I'm looking into usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom  is that what you had in mind? Do I need to look somewhere else?
[11:00] <bddebian> LaserJock: Nope, it was a sync wasn't it?
[11:01] <Toadstool> yosch: casper-bottom/10adduser
[11:01] <yosch> Toadstool: yep looks like it :)
[11:03] <Toadstool> yosch: it uses the user-setup package
[11:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: it only compiled on i386
[11:04] <LaserJock> :/
[11:06] <bddebian> :-(
[11:33] <chillywilly> if I have a .dsc, .orig.tar.gz, and a .diff.gz file how can I quickly build a package?
[11:34] <LaserJock> chillywilly: do you have a pbuilder?
[11:34] <chillywilly> yea
[11:34] <LaserJock> pbuilder build *.dsc
[11:34] <chillywilly> I suppose I could get off my butt and look at the guide again...
[11:34] <chillywilly> thanks
[11:35] <bddebian> dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[11:35] <bddebian> cd foo-1.0
[11:35] <bddebian> dpkg-buildpackage
[11:35] <LaserJock> oh man, overkill ;-)
[11:35] <bddebian> LaserJock: Well if he didn't have pbuilder :)
[11:36] <Toadstool> bddebian: you forgot apt-get build-dep ;)
[11:36] <bddebian> Oh yeah, hehe
[11:37] <LaserJock> yucky
[11:37] <LaserJock> I'd rather build a pbuilder than do apt-get build-dep ;-)
[11:37] <Toadstool> heh
[11:38] <Toadstool> even better /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends :p
[11:39] <LaserJock> yes
[11:40] <LaserJock> I've been using that a bit lately
[11:40] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:56] <joejaxx> imbrandon_: are you around?
[11:59] <gnomefreak> i saw 3 people that would know but now down to one lol
[11:59] <gnomefreak> brb smoke time
[12:00] <Laser_away> gnomefreak: know what?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Laser_away: a gpg key issue
[12:05] <zachtib> hey, i was told to ask this here: is there a flag for dpkg-buildpkg to chown the files in the deb to root?  after i built a deb of my program and installed it, the files and directories installed were still owned and thus writable by me
[12:05] <azeem> zachtib: no, chown them in debian/rules
[12:06] <zachtib> ok, thanks
[12:10] <minghua> azeem: that sounds weird