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| sbalneav | Evening all | 03:27 |
| bddebian | Heya sbalneav | 03:28 |
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| JavierElectrico | hi there | 07:11 |
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| LaserJock | hi jbrefort | 08:51 |
| jbrefort | hi LaserJock | 08:52 |
| highvoltage | hey LaserJock and jbrefort | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage! | 08:53 |
| jbrefort | hi highvoltage | 08:53 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: I put up some Paris pics on my site | 08:53 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: ooh | 08:55 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: where's that again? | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | laserjock.us | 08:55 |
| === highvoltage looks | ||
| LaserJock | it's in the gallery ;-) | 08:55 |
| highvoltage | :) | 08:58 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: does this remind you of sbalneav? http://ftw.generation.no/?n=160 | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | ewwwwww | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | I sure hope not | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 08:59 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 08:59 |
| jbrefort | LaserJock, nice photos | 08:59 |
| LaserJock | I'd never look at LTSP hacking sessions the same | 08:59 |
| highvoltage | lol | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | jbrefort: thanks, I'm an aweful photographer, but you can't go to Paris and not take pictures | 09:00 |
| jbrefort | I can ;) | 09:01 |
| jbrefort | I lived in Paris for six years, when I was a student | 09:02 |
| highvoltage | jbrefort: well, none of us there could really help ourselves, some of us went a bit trigger happy there | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | well, but this was my first time outside of North America | 09:02 |
| highvoltage | jbrefort: how was it living there? | 09:02 |
| jbrefort | stressing, too many people (for me) | 09:03 |
| highvoltage | for me it looked like a nice place to do some site-seeing, but not a place I'd enjoy living so much. | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | jbrefort: yes, waaay too many people | 09:03 |
| jbrefort | but I love going in Paris from time to timebut no more than a couple of days | 09:03 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: do you know what could cause this: | 09:04 |
| highvoltage | xargs: file: exited with status 255; aborting | 09:04 |
| highvoltage | internal error: collect info file-info about package tuxlab-c4k: 13 | 09:04 |
| highvoltage | (lintian error, btw) | 09:04 |
| highvoltage | could it be that the package has too many files inside? | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I'm not sure | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | I can't imagine that it'd choke on too many files. I'm pretty sure it runs on even the largets Debian packages | 09:06 |
| === highvoltage delves a bit deeper | ||
| LaserJock | jbrefort: do you have something like a features ToDo list for gchemutils? | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | and I thought you said you planned on puting gchempaint into gchemutils, is that right? | 09:09 |
| jbrefort | yes, I'll include gchempaint just after branching for 0.8 | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | ah | 09:14 |
| jbrefort | there is a TODO file in the source tree. I don' remember what I put in there | 09:14 |
| jbrefort | Oops, the TODO file is old and needs some refresh | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | heh, I was just reading that | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | is the mozilla plugin done? | 09:16 |
| jbrefort | yes, but it supports only a few file types | 09:16 |
| jbrefort | in the future, I'd like it to support both 2d and 3d files and crystals as well | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 09:17 |
| jbrefort | and, if I can understand how printing works for mozilla plugins, I'll implement it as well | 09:18 |
| jbrefort | anyway, the 3d view needs some love | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | it looked pretty nice to me | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | seems like some of the stuff doesn't have a ton of features, but what it does, it seems to do well | 09:19 |
| jbrefort | I'd like it shows multiple bonds and add more styles (wireframe and more) | 09:19 |
| LaserJock | I loaded up one of my molecules | 09:20 |
| jbrefort | one possibility would be to use the viewer from ghemical | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | and it rendered rather nicely | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:20 |
| jbrefort | gcrystal should also at least import cif files | 09:21 |
| jbrefort | the idea is to use openbabel for that. I started writing an openbabel plugin | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that would be nice | 09:23 |
| jbrefort | I'm going to update the TODO file now | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | most of the time what I find frustrating, is not being able to import the data format I have | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | and not being able to output to the file format I want | 09:24 |
| jbrefort | openbabel is the solution to file formats problems | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | yes | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | I love openbabel | 09:26 |
| jbrefort | I added anly support for a few formats, because I ha no samples for the other known formats | 09:27 |
| jbrefort | but adding new formats to gchem3 is trivial | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | for input? | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | is there any output options? I don't see any | 09:29 |
| jbrefort | it only outputs to screen | 09:30 |
| jbrefort | if you wish to output to another file format, use babel | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm usually interested in creating .ps or .png files | 09:31 |
| jbrefort | we might write a GUI for babel | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | oh, that would be nice | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | there are times when I just want to convert formats | 09:32 |
| jbrefort | gchem3d can export ps files and pdf too (using the print command) | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | ah yeah | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | I sure seems light | 09:32 |
| jbrefort | png and jpeg would be easy to add, and will be added soon | 09:32 |
| LaserJock | I'm running it of ssh from home | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | and it runs nicely | 09:33 |
| jbrefort | just I'm working on some resolution support for these | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | s/of/over/ | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | what do you use for the various plots? | 09:35 |
| jbrefort | goffice | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | oh sure | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | it didn't look like gnuplot to me ;-) | 09:37 |
| jbrefort | as I can change the code in goffice if needed, it seems a good solution | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | is it possible to like zoom in or change axis ranges easily? | 09:39 |
| jbrefort | it would be possible, just it needs some coding | 09:40 |
| jbrefort | I just updated the TODO file | 09:40 |
| jbrefort | we might edit charts using the GogGuru (the same editor as in gnumeric) | 09:41 |
| jbrefort | it would just need to implement a few GObjects (this has to be done in C) | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | very cool | 09:42 |
| jbrefort | two new lines from TODO | 09:42 |
| jbrefort | * allow plotting any property againt another one, i.e. ei vs vdw radius. | 09:42 |
| jbrefort | * allow charts customization (using the code in goffice). | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | yes | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | ah, one thing carsten mentioned was that Kalzium copies the bodr data whereas you depend on it | 09:43 |
| jbrefort | that's easy to implement and should not demand a lot of time, so probably before 0.8 | 09:43 |
| jbrefort | copying needs frequent updates | 09:44 |
| jbrefort | and Daniel added a pc file in bodr to make things easy | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | do you know what license it's distributed under? | 09:44 |
| jbrefort | good question | 09:45 |
| jbrefort | MIT license | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | ah | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | I suppose we'll need a package for that in Debian/Ubuntu | 09:47 |
| jbrefort | Daniel intends to do that afaik, just waiting for 0.4 | 09:47 |
| jbrefort | 0.3 is buggy and can't be used | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | ah | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | I think Michael Banck and I are kinda making sure Daniel gets thing into Debian proper | 09:49 |
| jbrefort | yes | 09:49 |
| jbrefort | sure | 09:49 |
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| LaserJock | I think between the 3 of use we might get somewhere ;-) | 09:50 |
| jbrefort | I discussed with jpansanel about using the structures in bodr as templates for gchempaint | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | yeah? | 09:52 |
| jbrefort | and i'd also like a residue database in bodr | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | how many structures do they have? | 09:52 |
| jbrefort | quite a lot, but only 3d at the moment | 09:53 |
| LaserJock | it would be so cool to have like NMR, UV/Vis, or IR data to go with them | 09:53 |
| jbrefort | yes | 09:53 |
| LaserJock | the organic chemists would love it ;-) | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | and the physical chemists would complain about bad assignments ;-) | 09:54 |
| jbrefort | hmm, unreliable assignments must be avoided | 09:55 |
| jbrefort | there are many in IR especially ;) | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | yes | 09:55 |
| jbrefort | the structure database has 368 structures at the moment | 09:57 |
| LaserJock | is there any easy/straightforward way to convert them to 2D? Can openbabel be used? | 09:58 |
| jbrefort | no, afaik | 09:59 |
| jbrefort | we cab do the 2d->3d conversion using ghemical | 09:59 |
| LaserJock | seems like you would have to figure out what plane to project it onto | 09:59 |
| jbrefort | for some, no projection would give a good result | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:00 |
| LaserJock | seems like it'll be mostly manual work | 10:00 |
| jbrefort | yes, jpansanel was ok | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | he does cdk? | 10:02 |
| jbrefort | i don't think | 10:02 |
| jbrefort | but not sure | 10:02 |
| jbrefort | he wrote some code for konqueror afaik | 10:03 |
| jbrefort | around chemical mime types | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | jbrefort: is there a public svn repo of bodr | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | I found 0.3 but there aren't any structure in it that I can find | 10:11 |
| jbrefort | yes, the svn repository is at http://www.blueobelisk.org/repos/blueobelisk/trunk | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | :/ it give me an error, maybe I'm doing it wrong | 10:14 |
| jbrefort | may be i'm wrong | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | I can see it in a browser | 10:15 |
| jbrefort | http://wiki.cubic.uni-koeln.de/repos/blueobelisk/trunk | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | but I get: svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/repos/blueobelisk/trunk' when I do a svn co | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | sweet, that worked | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | that looks like an excellent project for people to work on | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | you don't have to be a programmer | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | just a chemist with some time ;-) | 10:20 |
| jbrefort | yes, I'll make some proposals for enhancements in bodr | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if I could get people in my department to contribute | 10:21 |
| jbrefort | another place where a non programmer can help is checking my english in docs | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | have a Structure Day | 10:22 |
| jbrefort | ask jpansanel how this must be done | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | heh, yes. I'm a native english speaker and write a fair amount of documentation and I still need lots of proofreading when I'm done | 10:23 |
| jbrefort | so think about what I can produce as a non native english speaker (and I write much better than I speak) | 10:26 |
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| LaserJock | hello ogra | 10:50 |
| juliux | morning orga | 10:52 |
| ogra | hey guys | 10:54 |
| juliux | ogra, is your fujisu siemens thinclient running with edgy? | 10:55 |
| highvoltage | hey ogra | 10:55 |
| highvoltage | ogra: if the ltsp chroot was a static bunch of files that were packaged, where would you ideally put the chroot? /var/ltsp, /usr/share/ltsp, other: _______ ? | 10:56 |
| ogra | juliux, i'll try tomoroow if i make install tests anyway | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'm off now, the germans are up | 10:57 |
| juliux | ogra, here it is not working, it is a problem with the grafics | 10:57 |
| highvoltage | heh. goodnight LaserJock | 10:57 |
| ogra | highvoltage, /var/lib or /usr/share i guess | 10:57 |
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| ogra | night LaserJock | 10:57 |
| juliux | Laser_away, gn8 | 10:58 |
| ogra | juliux, you mean the rangee one, right ? | 10:58 |
| highvoltage | ogra: /var/lib would probably be more correct if I wanted to allow the user to chroot into the environment and change it? | 10:58 |
| juliux | ogra, yes | 10:58 |
| ogra | highvoltage, i'd have to looh up the advantages/disadvantage details in the FHS ... from my gut feeling i'd use /usr/share though ... buit /var/lib might be FHS compliant | 10:59 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ok, thanks for that. I'll look up the FHS documentation and try to figure out what looks reasonable | 11:00 |
| highvoltage | ogra: do you think the chroot is likely to stay in /opt long-term, since upstream and ubuntu ltsp is now the same? | 11:01 |
| ogra | hmm, according to FHS /usr/share would be for arch independent data ... | 11:02 |
| ogra | .... /var/lib looks about right | 11:03 |
| ogra | ... This hierarchy holds state information pertaining to an application or the system. State information is data that programs modify while they run, and that pertains to one specific host... | 11:03 |
| ogra | even though it doesnt get modified at runtime of ltsp-server ... it does get modified in the clients ram :P | 11:04 |
| highvoltage | heh, I don't think that counts though :) | 11:04 |
| ogra | ah, no, wait | 11:05 |
| ogra | Purpose | 11:05 |
| ogra | /srv : Data for services provided by this system | 11:05 |
| ogra | /srv contains site-specific data which is served by this system. | 11:05 |
| ogra | thats the right one | 11:06 |
| ogra | /srv/ltsp/$arch | 11:06 |
| highvoltage | ogra: would it be acceptable to have a tarball in a package that would extract to /opt, or is that too hacky? | 11:06 |
| ogra | if its a tarball, thats the right place | 11:06 |
| highvoltage | ah, that sounds good | 11:06 |
| ogra | but our package should probably use /srv to be FHS compliant | 11:06 |
| ogra | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM | 11:07 |
| === highvoltage bookmarks that page | ||
| highvoltage | I think we'll use /src/ltsp/i386 then for the ltsp installation in tuxlabs. | 11:09 |
| lucasvo | LHS :( | 11:09 |
| highvoltage | *srv | 11:09 |
| lucasvo | :) | 11:09 |
| lucasvo | is ubuntu trying to become compliant? | 11:09 |
| highvoltage | or would /srv/nfs/ltsp/i386 be more appropriate? | 11:10 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: I thought ubuntu is already very compliant :) | 11:10 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: no I wouldn't put it in nfs | 11:10 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:28 |
| highvoltage | howdy bd dd d dbdebian | 03:30 |
| bddebian | Heh, hi highvoltage | 03:33 |
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| highvoltage | cbx33: that's illogical | 07:08 |
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