[12:15] For someone who is interested. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/64448 [12:15] Malone bug 64448 in kdepim "news part doesn't work in Kontact in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [12:16] Good night everybody. [12:16] and thanks for edgy :) [12:20] bug 36247 [12:20] Malone bug 36247 in kdepim "Kontact sidebar with knode even if knode not installed" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36247 [12:20] the search tool is amazing [12:21] _Sime: just finished to port the patch to 3.5.5 [12:22] 5 lines modified on a file [12:22] nothing that should impact your stuff [12:22] how is 3.5.5? [12:22] nixternal: great ! [12:22] im kind of scared to mess with it right now since xorg-driver-fglrx is still trashed [12:22] oh well, didn't take much, but you just sold me Tonio_ ;) [12:23] nixternal: only known issue at the moment is unstability with kate, but I have a patch to test... [12:23] rogert hat [12:33] i cannot find the kde 3.5.5 link anymore for the repos...link me please ;) [12:41] xeros: phoronix, yes, [12:43] http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages [12:43] http://kubuntu.org edgy Release [12:43] or that one i cant remember [12:44] nixternal: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main [12:44] wonder how i got the other ones :( [12:44] update checks repos i dont even have === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-242-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:48] Howdy [01:51] alrighty..updating to 3.5.5 now === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid__ [n=mike@74.13.29.143] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121nli.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid__ [n=mike@bas1-barrie18-1242373519.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid__ [n=orkid__@bas1-barrie18-1242373519.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid__ [n=orkid__@bas1-barrie18-1242373519.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.180.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:01] Hi guys [07:01] hi DaSkreech [07:01] Hello [07:07] So what's new? [07:07] I've been out for like 3 weeks === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.46.113] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech falls asleep on the floor [08:00] lol === pascalFR [i=GOpOv9Mj@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _froud_ [n=froud@dsl-145-26-85.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:31] mhb: we dont support dist-upgrades from breezy and hoary, iirc [09:34] not directly , breezy to dapper to edgy [09:35] HOW DO YOU PLAN ON ENFORCING THAT? [09:35] true [09:35] Ack caps [09:35] DaSkreech: easy. packages break if they do. === DaSkreech falls asleep on the keyboard [09:35] DaSkreech, simple, say sorry you broke your system [09:35] DaSkreech: we only support the current stable with the replaces, provides, etc [09:36] ie, the transitional packages only are from breezy-->dapper, and dapper--> edgy [09:36] What's on the feature list of r edgy? [09:36] Powermanger [09:36] Looks pretty [09:36] Anything else? [09:36] KubuntuKDEMedia, KDE System Settings [09:36] DaSkreech, wow read the last 3 release notes pages ;) [09:36] I can't sell people on System settings :) [09:36] *and it was soo peacefull before* [09:37] DaSkreech, who are we "selling" to ? === Jucato whistles... [09:37] A) Linux Luddites [09:37] B) People who think that Computers are nightmares :) [09:38] Though I guess I really should put them on Dapper [09:38] But edgy is so pretty :-( [09:38] DaSkreech, that makes no sense, how is that remotely development related [09:39] Well... I guess features would have to be developed? [09:39] It's 3:00 AM give me a break [09:39] we are well past feature freeze [09:39] I've also been out of the loop for three weeks [09:39] Hobbsee: really? Didn't know that, sorry [09:39] right thats why i said read up ;) [09:39] or sleep first then read up :) [09:39] Good idea [09:40] has DU gone yet? [09:40] DU ? [09:40] Akademy finished I think [09:40] good morning [09:40] some things look better after some sleep :P [09:40] Morning mhb [09:40] Oh and good morning imbrandon and Hobbsee [09:41] hey DaSkreech [09:41] imbrandon: The google campus thingy [09:41] Hobbsee: how come it's not supported when the releases still are? [09:41] UDS ? ubuntu developers summit , thats in november [09:41] Ok [09:41] Good :) === DaSkreech goes to create Lil zs [09:42] Hobbsee: my common sense told me the people who use those two are more likely to upgrade [09:42] mhb: tell them to upgrade from breezy --> dapper, then dapper --> edgy. otherwise, you're right [09:42] mhb, becosue thats not the upgrade path ( and hoary is at the EOL ) [09:42] mhb: the transitional packages are all messed if you try to skip releases [09:44] Hobbsee: Are we going to be using pdiffs in edgy? [09:44] say wha? [09:44] no === Hobbsee doesnt know what they are === Hobbsee is running out the door [09:45] damn :-( [09:45] Hobbsee: hm, I find it a bit silly (downloading twice as much data just even though you don't need 1/2 ) but ok [09:45] is there a kickoff package? [09:45] DaSkreech, no [09:45] mhb: then download an iso :P [09:45] and clean install [09:46] Hobbsee: personal data anyone ? :o) [09:47] mhb: and backup /home. duh :P [09:47] Hobbsee: I know there is always a way (back up,install,restore) [09:47] yeah [09:47] well, most people make those backups anyway [09:49] Hobbsee: It's not for me, you know .o) I just find it a bit silly and inconvenient, that's all [09:50] Hobbsee: your way is what I would do in Slackware, not Ubuntu :o) [09:50] well, you can try [09:50] you just might have some more problems [09:51] mhb, you will end up with tons o broken stuff becouse of the transitions [09:51] thas like going directly from woody to sid [09:51] ;) [09:51] yeah, I guess so [09:52] ditto unofficial repos [09:53] there's no use of doing it with these two but can't we somehow avoid it for the future? [09:54] how, sorry? [09:56] somehow stabilize the meta-packages, test if it's working and fix bugs in the upgrade process (that's more of my work) [09:56] etc [09:57] or improve the upgrade process so that it doesn't break (almost) anything === Hobbsee nods [09:58] mhb: poke me about this stuff when i come home again, and am here for a while. i've been thinking about this stuff too === Hobbsee has to be at work in 2 min. ouch [09:59] I guess most of the people should stay with Dapper anyway, but Edgy+1 should be more "not edgy" again, right? [09:59] Hobbsee: ok, see you [09:59] excuse me, is mornfall the only one able to change/fix Adept? [10:00] kde bug 133388 [10:00] KDE bug 133388 in general "Manage Repositories is disabled" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133388 [10:03] anyone can do it [10:05] ah ok. just wondering if it has any hope of being fixed before final release. otherwise we have an incomplete Adept.. [10:07] Jucato: yeah, there are some more, like bug 47181 [10:07] Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/47181 [10:07] ouch... [10:08] Jucato: so we have 50% of adept translated because a bug's somewhere in it [10:09] not good, not good at all... :( [10:09] Jucato: well, my hands are tied :o) as you know, I am but a simple tester [10:10] yeah... I hope someone fixes it. as we both can't... :( [10:15] wow, it looks like everything's disabled there for me [10:15] almost === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === [niceday] [n=daniel@87.100.54.106] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:31] Tonio_: if kipi-plugins hasn't appeared that's because it'll be stuck in NEW === windshear [n=Alain@vpn-wh.rz-zw.fh-kl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-226-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:05] Riddell: yeah kamion told me... [12:05] Riddell: is there a url to check the new queue ? [12:07] Tonio_: source new is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue [12:07] but I'm yet to find anything showing binary new [12:08] Riddell, thats binary and source , see some say (source) and some say (arch) [12:09] btw moins [12:09] also the icons show the open box is source, the closed box is binary [12:10] ah, but of course :) [12:14] Riddell: thanks, I forgot that one existed [12:15] ** deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ dapper main should work [12:15] sebas: ^^ [12:15] mhb: ^^ [12:15] Riddell: I should give you the link the new 3.5.5 packages with sime's patches and a fix for kate segfault [12:15] for i386 only, others uploading now [12:16] Riddell: I also uploaded 3.5.4 package with _Sime's changes === yveslu [n=yves@194.235.200.252] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:18] thanks [12:20] Tonio_: bah, now we're all out of sync [12:21] Tonio_: got the links to the patches? === yveslu [n=yves@194.235.200.252] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] Riddell: will send them to you once I confirm the kate patch works :) [12:34] Riddell: will ping you in a moment [12:41] Riddell: do we need firefox-themes-kubuntu? [12:42] Tonio_: when you have a second can you help me? [12:43] or Riddell... [12:44] toma: hi [12:44] Riddell: hi [12:44] freeflying: I don't know if it's technically possible, it wasn't the last time I looked (firefox was just hard coded to use the ubuntu theme) but they did say that was going to change [12:45] Riddell: I want to depend on libkmime, which is part of the kdepim source package, but I can not find a header package for that... [12:46] toma: got an example of a header file you would like? [12:46] Riddell: kmime_message.h [12:54] Riddell: linking is no problem, libkmime is fine. Only the -dev package seems missing === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@d51A48598.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:57] toma: it looks like it just isn't installed by kdepim, although I'm not sure why not looking at the Makefile.am [12:57] toma: you'd need to ask kdepim dudes if there's a reason it isn't installed (i.e. the API is private) [12:57] Riddell: eiks [12:58] Riddell: ok, will do that. [01:02] toma: I'm not very available today sorry... [01:14] Riddell: pending the answer on that question, should I import a copy and link statically, or only copy the headers and depend on the package? === nuku [n=nuku@e178099168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] hi.. why does the kdebase package has got a Build-Conflicts: nvidia-glx? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee is back === Hobbsee waves [01:55] hey Hobbsee [01:55] hey sivang! === Hobbsee thought sivang wasnt a kde-type person [01:55] I'm still undecisive. I was once a KDE only user, FYI :) [01:56] I have both kubnutu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed now, I'm using application from KDE interchangbly. [01:56] ahhh... [01:56] nice :) [01:56] Konqueror seems to succed where no browser has succeded before. [01:57] hehe === Hobbsee thumps konq === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee has a severe dislike of konq as a web browser [01:57] hey neoncode [01:58] Hobbsee: why so? [01:58] hey Hobbsee [01:58] I just installed Kubuntu Knot 3. =) [01:58] I'm also curious about KDE packaging as well ;-) [01:58] sivang: it doesnt handle one of my 3 bank sites. at all. [01:58] sivang: not that different to gnome [01:59] Hobbsee: handle all of mine , while firefox can't , and it managd quite well with visitscotland.com while firefox just *chocked* to death [02:00] sivang: ahhh... [02:00] sivang: i hit the https:// bank bug. === highvoltage thinks konqueror is quite a good web browser [02:02] which makes it useless for that banking site, if i try to use it [02:02] Hey, how stable is Knot 3? [02:03] should be. ish [02:03] enough [02:03] as stable as any of it id [02:03] *is [02:07] Right. [02:11] I just installed it and told adept to install mplayer-mozilla and it said it would break. However I hade't applyed updates at that point so i'm doing that now then I'll try again. [02:12] try with apt-get === Hobbsee wonders if adept is being worked on in kubuntu ever again. [02:13] Has adept being abandoned? [02:13] *been [02:14] neoncode: not abandoned per se. i'm not sure. i'd have to look up the logs to see exactly what was said. [02:15] Well, what's replaceing it? [02:15] dunno [02:16] Hmmm. Oh how close is Edgy to a full release? [02:16] i'm not sure if they'll examine smart again. maybe it's not mature enough yet [02:16] um. about 20 days or something? [02:16] !release [02:16] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [02:16] !schedule [02:16] Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule [02:16] i've been meaning to combine them. [02:16] Ohh. [02:17] Oh, is it possible to make the bootup screen, the usplash thing, display all the system messages again? [02:19] yes [02:19] just dont ask me how [02:19] i believe a combination of any or all of esc, ctrl, shift, etc will do it [02:27] nice new artwork on g-p-m, btw [02:27] looks like a real battery now :) === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:45] Hobbsee: you have time now? [02:45] mhb: yep. heya :) [02:46] Riddell: ping? [02:48] Hobbsee: hi [02:48] Riddell: heya. [whisper] when will 3.5.5 be released? are you releasing it? [/whisper] [02:48] Hobbsee: 11th is the official date [02:49] I've asked for an UVF exception [02:49] Riddell: ahhh...so i see. that wasnt there when i last looked. [02:49] if we get that I'll probably upload toot sweet since we can't really wait for long with big changes like that [02:49] any word on the exception yet? [02:49] not yet [02:49] Riddell: how are the dapper packages? [02:50] Riddell: ie, are they made? [02:51] Hobbsee: made and uploaded [02:51] testing now welcome [02:51] Riddell: okay. [02:51] deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ dapper main [02:51] Riddell: excellent. === Hobbsee nods [02:52] Riddell: is the kde bug 135O45 fixed in the packages ? It's marked as resolved... [02:53] kde 135045 [02:53] KDE bug 135045 in general "Crash on various occasions" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135045 [02:54] mhb: I believe Tonio_ uploaded that to the ubuntu archive, it's not in the 3.5.5 packages yet [02:54] Riddell: right, so will it be? [02:59] Riddell: could you explain to me why kdebase has Build-Conflicts: nvidia-glx please? [03:01] Hobbsee: kde release dude is making new kdelibs and kdebase tars so I'll rebuild with them [03:01] Riddell: nice, okay [03:03] nuku: not sure I'm afraid, we probably get that from debian, try looking in the changelog === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] Riddell: it's not mentioned there :( === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:09] some other packages seem to mention it: "Please never ever build your opengl based packages with nvidia-glx package installed." ..hmm [03:10] 14:09 < MadCoder> Riddell: because if you don't do so, the kdebase depends upon nvidia-glx because of the shlibs [03:10] 14:09 < MadCoder> that's me that put the build-conflict [03:10] nuku: ^^ [03:11] ok thank you.. so i guess it will be fine for a personal build :) [03:11] for local use, yes [03:11] but not if sharing with others [03:11] yep sure.. === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] Riddell: yeah I uploaded sime stuff for 3.5.4 [03:21] Riddell: I had to port the patches for 3.5.5, I tested them and that's fine. [03:22] Riddell: I'm emailing the patches to you. [03:24] I wonder, the only active channel during the weekend seems to be this :) [03:24] that is, highly active [03:24] sivang: the non-idiotic one, anyway === Hobbsee rolls her eyes at -devel [03:24] Hobbsee: what do you mean? [03:25] sivang: see the "she?" comment? yes, duh. she. i'm unlikely to make a typo over my own gender. then he doesnt even get the joke afterwards. [03:25] Riddell: I sent a second mail for kdelibs, I have a patch for kate segfault. works for me, but I wait for other feedbacki to report it works on kde bts [03:25] Hobbsee: ah, sorry, I must have ignored it automatically then [03:26] sivang: was a while ago [03:26] Riddell: I'm leaving today, will not be there toonight so if you have questions, it is for now :) [03:26] Tonio_: make sure that your machine stays up this time :P [03:26] Hobbsee: it will :) don't worry about it :) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:26] hehe === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.230.185] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:28] Howdy [03:28] hey bddebian === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:28] Heya Hobbsee [03:31] hey bddebian [03:32] Heya sivang === My8os [n=My8os@ppp141-85.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-057-226-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku [n=nuku@e178099168.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Porkotron [n=parker@129.100.97.195] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:38] Riddell: what's the plan for upgrading kopete? i dont have a fast build machine at the moment. aside from that, how does the base tarball get generated for it? === Hobbsee is now confused. === Porkotron [n=parker@129.100.97.195] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:44] Hobbsee: I'll have time on monday to work on kopete if you want [04:44] I finished the work for kipi-plugins and kde-guidance. [04:44] Tonio_: i'd appreciate that, thanks [04:44] Tonio_: and do tell me how you do it :) [04:44] when they've only released 0.12.3 in the kdenetwork source [04:44] Hobbsee: email me your infos (latest sources url etc...) I'll do it === Porkotron [n=parker@129.100.97.195] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:45] Tonio_: latest source is the kde 3.5.5 source, latest kopete is the one currently in edgy. [04:45] Riddell: received my mails ? [04:45] i've yet to find a changelog for 0.12.3, actually [04:45] Hobbsee: yeah I have to compare the versions.... [04:45] Tonio_: want an email reminder anywya about it? [04:45] we can patch kdenetwork if the diff is acceptable size, but it that's too big, I think we'll have to separate it [04:46] Hobbsee: yes that would be nice since I don't have the full kopete historic [04:46] I remember we separated it from kdenetwork once [04:46] Tonio_: we've split it before. [04:46] that's all I know :) [04:46] Tonio_: it's still split [04:46] we could always shove it back in kdenetwork, if we wanted, but they seem to like releasing out of cycle [04:46] Hobbsee: let's rediscuss this on monday okay ? [04:47] I'll have to focus on someone else this WE hehe :) [04:47] Tonio_: will do. [04:47] oh, it's only sunday morning, not monday morning. [04:47] sorry, Tonio_ [04:47] she's not there very often :) [04:47] hehe [04:47] Tonio_: smart, focussing on a woman. [04:47] enjoy [04:48] Hobbsee: heh, no problem don't worry, just that she's only there 3 days in a week; so she doesn't accept the computer during that time hehe :) [04:48] Hobbsee: focussing on THE woman :) [04:48] Tonio_: sounds good to me. yes. the woman. [04:48] :) [04:48] leaving ;) seya on monday === Porkotron_ [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-91.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:49] cya [04:49] Hobbsee: if you wanna test something usefull on that we, how about testing wengophone ? [04:49] you'll find it on my repo : http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org === Hobbsee nods [04:49] may do === Hobbsee has to sleep, go to work again, and actually do her comp tute today. [04:50] Tonio_: Hobbsee can you reproduce malone #35760 [04:50] Malone bug 35760 in scim-qtimm "dapper f5: konsole transparency" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35760 [04:50] a few issues but I think riddell and imbrandon have managed to do interesting things with it :) [04:50] freeflying: I have to leave, will look at that on monday. that bug is on my todo list. [04:51] Tonio_: thanks [04:51] freeflying: i dont use skim [04:52] freeflying: works fine here. [04:52] Hobbsee: thanks, seems I'd reject it :) [04:52] freeflying: i believe it was due to skim stuff, henc ei could never reproduce it === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:54] Hobbsee: when they use en_US locale, skim scim scim-qtimm stuffs will not be used indeed, so I wonder how can tghey interfere [04:54] freeflying: at least that's what we found the cause of it was [04:54] but i'd get the skim type people to test on 3.5.5 and see if it's still there [04:55] Hobbsee: but I can not reproduce, and the author too :) [04:55] good point [04:59] Hobbsee: thanks === buga [n=burjang@csomalin.csoma.elte.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:16] how can malone #52670 be a bug to kubuntu? [05:16] Malone bug 52670 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird uses konqueror as web browser" [Wishlist,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52670 === imbrandon_ [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:19] freeflying_: in the way we set the default browser settings === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.195.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:21] Hobbsee: ya, so it isn't a bug to kubuntu [05:21] freeflying_: well, we should be setting the xxx-alternatives, or something like ti [05:21] so that the default browser in kde is the same all over, for each user [05:22] x-www-browser [05:22] Hobbsee: I don't think so, in kubuntu, the default should be konqueror, not the orthers [05:22] or www-browser? [05:22] freeflying_: yes, but what if you change it? [05:22] Jucato: that's them [05:22] whichever [05:22] heh... === Jucato likes butting in... :( [05:23] Hobbsee: I'd prefer reject it [05:23] :) [05:23] to squish another bug, yes :P [05:24] heh [05:24] wouldn't running 'update-alternatives' from k-d-s be a nice way? [05:26] or make a program to do it, like a wizard or something. easily undoable of course, with a config that apt wont reset every time k-d-s is updated. === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121nli.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@40.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.195.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.46.113] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-132-120.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@40.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@66.252.46.113] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:18] Riddell: Installing the dapper packages now [06:19] Riddell: kdevelop-dev package don't depend on automake and autoconf but it is needed to use kdevelop. is it normal ? [06:38] marseillai: yes, kdevelop-dev depends on kdevelop,which depends on automake and autoconf etc. [06:39] fdoving: sudo apt-get remove automake1.9 remove only automake so kdevelop don't seem to depend on it [06:39] it should but it isn't [06:40] no? [06:40] may be i'm wrong [06:41] sorry, my bad, misread. it recommends automake and autoconf. [06:42] yes for kdevelop [06:42] but i think kdevelop-dev should depend on it an not only recommand it === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:43] what is "apt-index-watch" ? === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger__ [n=tobias@p54A6202E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:51] apt-index-watcher [06:51] Tm_T: it's used to rebuild the apt-front indexes when you, for example run 'apt-get update' or 'aptitude update' instead of say adept -> fetch updates, or synaptics -> update. [06:51] do I need it? it eats 100% cpu every aprox. few sec. [06:53] it does what i just wrote to :) [06:53] -to === claydoh_ [n=clay@216-220-253-42.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:53] fdoving: I just noticed it today after the daily upgrade [06:55] fdoving: what it does is known, but why should it take up 100% every 5 sec [06:56] fdoving: ok, I use only apt-get, and now that stuff eats my cpu [06:56] that's probably not intentional. [06:56] fdoving: thats what I presume [06:56] not for long anyway.. and if it doesn't already, it should be patched to run at lowest priority possible. [06:57] ok; but do we really needed [06:57] need it? [06:57] if you use apt-get/aptitude for all your package-stuff, no. === clay_doh [n=clay@216-220-246-168.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:58] mooh, I reboot, maybe that frees my cpu -> [07:08] sebas: any luck with 3.5.5 [07:08] ? [07:09] marseillai: yes, you can use kdevelop with non C/C++ languages === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.99] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:09] Riddell: Looks good, no regressions on dapper. [07:09] I'm now upgrading this installation to Edgy [07:10] sebas: excellent [07:10] Yeah, is 3.5.5 already in Edgy? [07:10] sebas: no [07:11] but it's on kubuntu.org [07:11] Not that either is released anyway ;-) [07:11] yes [07:11] Riddell: btw, I'm in Edinburgh for a mid-week in late december with Kim [07:11] Just so you can book tickets to run away ;-) [07:12] sebas: ooh, rocking [07:12] sebas: pre-hogmanay? [07:13] hogmanay? [07:13] the big party [07:13] last day of the year [07:13] Ow, that one :) [07:13] Right before i18("Christmas") [07:14] 18-23rd indeed [07:14] So think about a doubledate or something like that [07:15] my birthday is the 24th, maybe I should have a party [07:15] an early party === sebas wonders how apt deals with 3.5.5 kde packages in dapper upgrading to edgy [07:16] Sounds good, we're leaving 22nd, early morning [07:16] sebas: the edgy ones on kubuntu.org have a larger version number [07:16] Ah, cheater ;) [07:17] sebas: who do we want to come to the ubuntu summit? [07:17] What's the pool we can choose from? [07:17] we have john tapsell, Sebastian Kuegler, Nuno Pinheiro, Benjamin Meyer, Celeste Lyn Paul and Josef Spillner [07:17] but only 5 places [07:17] Hm, hard decision. [07:18] I want you for being cool, nuno for artistry, celeste for usability [07:18] Though I'm definitely for having Celeste there, meetings without usability peeps are not hip anymore [07:18] exactly [07:18] Yeah, Ben for kcontrol stuff might make a lot of sense as well === sebas for being cool cannot be underestimated of course ;-) [07:19] yes, I've not got hold of him to confirm he can come [07:19] I'll try not to return with black eye in the morning, btw. [07:19] :) [07:20] I see little direct relation between John, Josef and Ben to Kubuntu otherwise [07:20] Doesn't make any decision easier though [07:22] Riddell: I'm thinking about tackling the decoupling of release cycles for UDS, btw. [07:22] uh oh [07:22] 355 and edgy only shows that it makes more sense [07:22] Not that this situation is too likely to repeat itself in the future, but it would be cool if we could release Kubuntu together with KDE4 [07:23] sebas: together with kde 4 is uber complex because kde 3 and kde 4 don't sit alongside each other [07:23] That would be pretty cool for Kubuntu, first platform to release kde4 or something like that ... [07:23] so we'd lose any kde 3 apps not ported to kde 4, like most of extragear and koffice [07:23] Riddell: Challenging! ;) [07:24] Hm, I thought it was possible [07:24] That's an extremely uncomfortable migration path [07:25] sebas: well it's possible if you put it in /opt and change the default path, but debian-policy (which is used by ubuntu) says everything much go in /usr [07:25] Hm, still messy. [07:26] How does Debian deal with KDE major version bumps? [07:26] (i.e. looks like the policy is broken for real world usecases) [07:26] sebas: last times it just said that would can only have one kde major version installed at a time [07:27] Well, that sucks. [07:27] I mean, realistically, that's just not an option. [07:27] which as do-able for kde 1 -> 2 because there weren't that many apps, and for 2 -> 3 the porting was fairly easy === orkid__ [n=mike@74.13.29.143] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:27] fdoving: what's wrong with that apt-index-watcher, it keeps eating my cpu [07:27] but 3 -> 4 is a tricky port and we have more apps than ever [07:27] Porting 3 to 4 is probably not easy, if done well. [07:27] Yeah, all that phonon and solid goodness ... :) [07:28] Tm_T: don't know. you can try to stop it, or remove it. '/etc/init.d/apt-index-watcher stop' to stop, and 'update-rc.d -f apt-index-watcher remove' to disable from startup. [07:29] marseillai: yes, you can use kdevelop with non C/C++ languages -------->> oki i understand for kdevelop! but for kdevelop-dev packages i think it should be usefull! no? [07:29] fdoving: thanks, I just did kill it =) [07:30] Where are the 355 edgy packages? [07:30] ahh, loads dropped immediately [07:30] Same URL as dapper, but s/dapper/edgy? [07:30] guess so. [07:30] http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ [07:33] Thanks fdoving [07:33] :) === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.178.99] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=clay@216-220-253-138.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-114-20.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:07] um ... what is the preferred way to upgrade from Kubuntu Dapper -> Edgy (i.e. the way that I should test)? [08:08] mhb: afaik, just change the "dapper" words into "edgy" in sources.list [08:08] switch "dapper" to "edgy" in sources.list and then run an upgrade through Adept? [08:09] Jucato: ok, thanks [08:26] we should make a simple script to basically replace dapper/edgy in sources.list, telling users to do it manually is a mess. [08:28] it's a oneliner in perl. could make it take two arguments like 'chdist-sources dapper edgy' would replace all dapper instances with edgy.. or something like that. [08:29] telling users to run a command is easier than explaining what they should change in what file, and how to save with the text editor. etc. === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas wants serenity for Edgy! [08:33] http://ariya.blogspot.com/2006/10/too-many-lines-will-kill-you.html [08:41] Riddell: Does it make sense to have klaptopdaemon in kcontrol, or is it me? [08:45] sebas: I'll try that style, thanks for hint [08:47] Tm_T: Cool :) [08:48] though that possibly doesn't change much in my desktop === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@69-87-143-227.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-016-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:53] fdoving, sure here is your one liner with no script needed or extra packages installed , tell them " sudo sed -i s/dapper/edgy/g /etc/apt/sources.list " [08:53] ;) [08:54] sebas: if you use kcontrol you're on your own :) [08:54] Riddell: Ow, right. I accept that as "it's me" [08:55] Edgy feels smooth and fast, btw. [08:55] No regressions I've found yet. [08:55] man i wish my c++ was not so rusty, i would really like to see/drive a spec for adept/other package manager [08:56] sebas: how did you upgrade? [08:57] YESS !! new hdd just showed up, no more laptop only for me !!! [08:57] s/dapper/edgy in sources.list [08:57] And then dist-upgrade [08:58] I had to 'manually' install the python packages, those wouldn't upgrade without first removeing the 2.4 stuff [08:58] i dident have to remove them but i had to tell python to manualy install [08:59] s/them/2.4 [08:59] they were "held back" [08:59] Yeah, that's what I did [09:00] Boils down to put a little more force into it [09:01] Riddell, i think i fixed the usplash issue too earlier today too, if you hear any more complaints please tell them to poke me and i'll relook at it === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@69-87-143-227.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:11] sebas: there's multiple things I sorta hate :( [09:12] Tm_T: Such as? [09:12] I think I take a pic [09:12] Ok [09:19] or maybe I try to explain afterall :p [09:19] in treeview, there's ugly "buttons" instead of just symbol [09:20] same thing goes in menu [09:20] buttons instead of only symbol [09:21] or hmm, maybe that's my settings, triplechecking [09:23] no, that's in style === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oofus [n=chris@oofus.demon.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:36] imbrandon: what did you do? [10:01] Riddell, removed the --set and added a remove of the old old ( dapper ) alternative and the new alternative and use the weight number to set it higher than dappers ( was 20 dan dappers was 50, so now the wieght is 55 ) [10:01] so should work on upgrades from dapper clean still AND not reset ( via --set ) every time k-d-s is uploaded [10:02] Riddell, did that make sense ? [10:02] heh [10:03] Went from : [10:03] update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so 55 [10:03] update-alternatives --set usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so [10:04] update-initramfs -u [10:04] To : [10:04] update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so [10:04] update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so [10:04] update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so 55 [10:04] update-initramfs -u [10:04] s/55/20 in the first one [10:06] the --set was causing everyones usplash to be reset to kubuntu no matter what they had set using update-alternatives manualy [10:06] everytime we uploaded k-d-s [10:16] Riddell: sorry to bother you but the lines from the hwdb-kde were not added into Rosetta like I suggested to you === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549562A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:28] imbrandon: you fixed it? [10:29] gnomefreak, i'm about 98% sure i have, but some tests would be nice [10:29] hi kwwii [10:29] heya kwwii [10:29] you go it i will remove k-d-s and install it to make sure. [10:29] ack [10:29] not sure if i want to do that :( [10:30] just remembered what that stood for [10:30] lol [10:30] probably not ;) [10:30] not too bad [10:30] i can do this [10:31] it only removes k-d-s and -desktop [10:31] gnomefreak, make sure its 6.10-55 k-d-s installing ( i dont know if its built yet , i just uploaded it a few hours ago ) [10:31] k [10:32] thats the one === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:40] mhb, imbrandon, howdy [10:45] imbrandon, yeah i know that -we- can do it easily. the idea is to make it easier for regular users that don't know sed/perl/etc. having a simple command or a button to push, is the way to go imho. [10:46] kwwii: did you hear the responses to your new battery icon? [10:47] kwwii: some people (including myself) found the concept good, but the icon itself seems out of place due to the lack of colours [10:48] i agree to that. would be nice with some colors. [10:48] does it go red when the batterylevel becomes low/critical? [10:50] mhb: I think that is becuase it is an oxygen icon [10:50] mhb: I have another idea...just need to sit down and draw it [10:50] probably tomorrow or monday [10:50] kwwii: ok [10:50] mhb: thanks for pointing it out [10:51] the old one had too much color, the new one too little :p [10:52] grmpf. [10:52] kwwii: no problem I'm glad you're open to feedback :o) [10:52] Linking /bin/sh to /bin/dash rather than /bin/bash has it's drawbacks. [10:53] sebas: what's the problem? [10:53] sebas, yea it does but its been beat to death on the -devel ML 4 or 5 times each with month long threads soooo [10:53] ati drivers wouldn't install without changing the link back. [10:54] Yeah, glad I didn't read those. === sebas sighs. More errors in the ati installer. [10:58] dpkg-gencontrol: warning: can't parse dependency -driver-fglrx [10:58] dpkg-gencontrol: error: error occurred while parsing Depends [10:58] dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 2304 [10:58] make: *** [binary] Error 1 [10:58] Anybody any idea? [10:58] That's the result of [10:58] ./ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy [10:59] no clue , one reason binary drivers suck [10:59] but i hear ya [11:00] I'm getting pretty sick of this mess. [11:00] why not just install them instead of building a package ? [11:02] um... what's the current situation with libdvdcss? [11:03] mhb, what do you mean ?> [11:03] Hm, funky. [11:03] it's not available for installation in edgy [11:03] I've got to recompile my kernel with edgy's compiler obviously. [11:03] mhb, it isnt in any ubuntu official repos ( seveas has it ) [11:03] becosue its questionably not legal in most places [11:04] I know it's a problematic package but is there any other way how to watch my legally bought dvd in (k)ubuntu? [11:04] nope , just install it from seveas's repos [11:04] it wont ever be in the "official" repo though [11:05] I guess so [11:06] are we going to tell all users to download it from Seveas' repos? [11:07] mhb, yes and thats how its been since day one [11:07] no change [11:07] really? I must have forgotten that :o) [11:08] used to tell users to get it from malirat but those are built for sid so seveas are better imho [11:08] but its really just pref [11:17] sebas: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/Serenity-amarok.png [11:18] Tm_T: With your colorsettings it looks like crap indeed :> [11:18] =) [11:18] sebas: well, it's fine otherwise, but those treeview "buttons" is big minus [11:19] Tm_T: Yeah [11:19] also notice same button thing in menu === Tm_T thinks he could move to darker grey === sebas likes bright and shiny [11:25] well, it's heavy to eyes, atleast here [11:27] sebas: hmm, "CDE" colour scheme seems to be interesting === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:31] sebas: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/Serenity-amarok2.png === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:31] Tm_T: It fits better with the expanders, but I still don't like the colors, too little contrast [11:32] sebas: true, but I think I'll use this as base to my new colour scheme [11:32] I'm not 100 % sure about white text, but it makes everything lighter :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas has X now, but the acpi buttons on the thinkpad stopped working [11:50] kmilo could handle them in dapper === dr_kabuto [n=franky@host219-2-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dr_kabuto [n=franky@host219-2-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"]