[12:15] <EnolaGay> For someone who is interested. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/64448
[12:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64448 in kdepim "news part doesn't work in Kontact in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[12:16] <EnolaGay> Good night everybody.
[12:16] <EnolaGay> and thanks for edgy :)
[12:20] <nixternal> bug 36247
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36247 in kdepim "Kontact sidebar with knode even if knode not installed" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36247
[12:20] <nixternal> the search tool is amazing
[12:21] <Tonio_> _Sime: just finished to port the patch to 3.5.5
[12:22] <Tonio_> 5 lines modified on a file
[12:22] <Tonio_> nothing that should impact your stuff
[12:22] <nixternal> how is 3.5.5?
[12:22] <Tonio_> nixternal: great !
[12:22] <nixternal> im kind of scared to mess with it right now since xorg-driver-fglrx is still trashed
[12:22] <nixternal> oh well, didn't take much, but you just sold me Tonio_ ;)
[12:23] <Tonio_> nixternal: only known issue at the moment is unstability with kate, but I have a patch to test...
[12:23] <nixternal> rogert hat
[12:33] <nixternal> i cannot find the kde 3.5.5 link anymore for the repos...link me please ;)
[12:41] <jdong> xeros: phoronix, yes,
[12:43] <gnomefreak> http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages
[12:43] <gnomefreak> http://kubuntu.org edgy Release
[12:43] <gnomefreak> or that one i cant remember
[12:44] <gnomefreak> nixternal: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ edgy main
[12:44] <gnomefreak> wonder how i got the other ones :(
[12:44] <gnomefreak> update checks repos i dont even have
[01:48] <bddebian> Howdy
[01:51] <nixternal> alrighty..updating to 3.5.5 now
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Hi guys
[07:01] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[07:01] <DaSkreech> Hello
[07:07] <DaSkreech> So what's new?
[07:07] <DaSkreech> I've been out for like 3 weeks
[08:00] <Jucato> lol
[09:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: we dont support dist-upgrades from breezy and hoary, iirc
[09:34] <imbrandon>  not directly , breezy to dapper to edgy
[09:35] <DaSkreech> HOW DO YOU PLAN ON ENFORCING THAT?
[09:35] <Hobbsee> true
[09:35] <DaSkreech> Ack caps
[09:35] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: easy.  packages break if they do.
[09:35] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, simple, say sorry you broke your system
[09:35] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: we only support the current stable with the replaces, provides, etc
[09:36] <Hobbsee> ie, the transitional packages only are from breezy-->dapper, and dapper--> edgy
[09:36] <DaSkreech> What's on the feature list of r edgy?
[09:36] <DaSkreech>  Powermanger 
[09:36] <DaSkreech>  Looks pretty
[09:36] <DaSkreech> Anything else?
[09:36] <Jucato> KubuntuKDEMedia, KDE System Settings
[09:36] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, wow read the last 3 release notes pages ;)
[09:36] <DaSkreech> I can't sell people on System settings :)
[09:36] <imbrandon> *and it was soo peacefull before*
[09:37] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, who are we "selling" to ?
[09:37] <DaSkreech> A) Linux Luddites
[09:37] <DaSkreech> B) People who think that Computers are nightmares :)
[09:38] <DaSkreech> Though I guess I really should put them on Dapper
[09:38] <DaSkreech>  But edgy is so pretty :-(
[09:38] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, that makes no sense, how is that remotely development related
[09:39] <DaSkreech> Well... I guess features would have to be developed?
[09:39] <DaSkreech> It's 3:00 AM give me a break
[09:39] <imbrandon> we are well past feature freeze
[09:39] <DaSkreech> I've also been out of the loop for three weeks
[09:39] <mhb> Hobbsee: really? Didn't know that, sorry
[09:39] <imbrandon> right thats why i said read up ;)
[09:39] <Jucato> or sleep first then read up :)
[09:39] <DaSkreech> Good idea
[09:40] <DaSkreech>  has DU gone yet?
[09:40] <imbrandon> DU ?
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Akademy finished I think
[09:40] <mhb> good morning
[09:40] <Jucato> some things look better after some sleep :P
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Morning mhb
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Oh and good morning imbrandon and Hobbsee
[09:41] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[09:41] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: The google campus thingy
[09:41] <mhb> Hobbsee: how come it's not supported when the releases still are?
[09:41] <imbrandon> UDS ? ubuntu developers summit , thats in november
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Ok
[09:41] <DaSkreech>  Good :)
[09:42] <mhb> Hobbsee: my common sense told me the people who use those two are more likely to upgrade
[09:42] <Hobbsee> mhb: tell them to upgrade from breezy --> dapper, then dapper --> edgy.  otherwise, you're right
[09:42] <imbrandon> mhb, becosue thats not the upgrade path ( and hoary is at the EOL )
[09:42] <Hobbsee> mhb: the transitional packages are all messed if you try to skip releases
[09:44] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Are we going to be using pdiffs in edgy?
[09:44] <Hobbsee> say wha?
[09:44] <imbrandon> no
[09:45] <DaSkreech> damn :-(
[09:45] <mhb> Hobbsee: hm, I find it a bit silly (downloading twice as much data just even though you don't need 1/2 ) but ok
[09:45] <DaSkreech> is there a kickoff package?
[09:45] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, no
[09:45] <Hobbsee> mhb: then download an iso :P
[09:45] <Hobbsee> and clean install
[09:46] <mhb> Hobbsee: personal data anyone ? :o) 
[09:47] <Hobbsee> mhb: and backup /home.  duh :P
[09:47] <mhb> Hobbsee: I know there is always a way (back up,install,restore)
[09:47] <Hobbsee> yeah
[09:47] <Hobbsee> well, most people make those backups anyway
[09:49] <mhb> Hobbsee: It's not for me, you know .o) I just find it a bit silly and inconvenient, that's all
[09:50] <mhb> Hobbsee: your way is what I would do in Slackware, not Ubuntu :o)
[09:50] <Hobbsee> well, you can try
[09:50] <Hobbsee> you just might have some more problems
[09:51] <imbrandon> mhb, you will end up with tons o broken stuff becouse of the transitions
[09:51] <imbrandon> thas like going directly from woody to sid
[09:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:51] <mhb> yeah, I guess so
[09:52] <Hobbsee> ditto unofficial repos
[09:53] <mhb> there's no use of doing it with these two but can't we somehow avoid it for the future?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> how, sorry?
[09:56] <mhb> somehow stabilize the meta-packages, test if it's working and fix bugs in the upgrade process (that's more of my work)
[09:56] <mhb> etc
[09:57] <mhb> or improve the upgrade process so that it doesn't break (almost) anything
[09:58] <Hobbsee> mhb: poke me about this stuff when i come home again, and am here for a while.  i've been thinking about this stuff too
[09:59] <mhb> I guess most of the people should stay with Dapper anyway, but Edgy+1 should be more "not edgy" again, right?
[09:59] <mhb> Hobbsee: ok, see you
[09:59] <Jucato> excuse me, is mornfall the only one able to change/fix Adept?
[10:00] <Jucato> kde bug 133388
[10:00] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133388 in general "Manage Repositories is disabled" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133388
[10:03] <mhb> anyone can do it
[10:05] <Jucato> ah ok. just wondering if it has any hope of being fixed before final release. otherwise we have an incomplete Adept..
[10:07] <mhb> Jucato: yeah, there are some more, like bug 47181
[10:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47181
[10:07] <Jucato> ouch...
[10:08] <mhb> Jucato: so we have 50% of adept translated because a bug's somewhere in it
[10:09] <Jucato> not good, not good at all... :(
[10:09] <mhb> Jucato: well, my hands are tied :o) as you know, I am but a simple tester
[10:10] <Jucato> yeah... I hope someone fixes it. as we both can't... :(
[10:15] <mhb> wow, it looks like everything's disabled there for me
[10:15] <mhb> almost
[11:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: if kipi-plugins hasn't appeared that's because it'll be stuck in NEW
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah kamion told me...
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a url to check the new queue ?
[12:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: source new is at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue
[12:07] <Riddell> but I'm yet to find anything showing binary new
[12:08] <imbrandon> Riddell, thats binary and source , see some say (source) and some say (arch) 
[12:09] <imbrandon> btw moins
[12:09] <imbrandon> also the icons show the open box is source, the closed box is binary
[12:10] <Riddell> ah, but of course :)
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks, I forgot that one existed
[12:15] <Riddell> **  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ dapper main    should work
[12:15] <Riddell> sebas: ^^
[12:15] <Riddell> mhb: ^^
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I should give you the link the new 3.5.5 packages with sime's patches and a fix for kate segfault
[12:15] <Riddell> for i386 only, others uploading now
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also uploaded 3.5.4 package with _Sime's changes
[12:18] <mhb> thanks
[12:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: bah, now we're all out of sync
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: got the links to the patches?
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: will send them to you once I confirm the kate patch works :)
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: will ping you in a moment
[12:41] <freeflying> Riddell: do we need firefox-themes-kubuntu?
[12:42] <toma> Tonio_: when you have a second can you help me?
[12:43] <toma> or Riddell...
[12:44] <Riddell> toma: hi
[12:44] <toma> Riddell: hi
[12:44] <Riddell> freeflying: I don't know if it's technically possible, it wasn't the last time I looked (firefox was just hard coded to use the ubuntu theme) but they did say that was going to change
[12:45] <toma> Riddell: I want to depend on libkmime, which is part of the kdepim source package, but I can not find a header package for that...
[12:46] <Riddell> toma: got an example of a header file you would like?
[12:46] <toma> Riddell: kmime_message.h
[12:54] <toma> Riddell: linking is no problem, libkmime is fine. Only the -dev package seems missing
[12:57] <Riddell> toma: it looks like it just isn't installed by kdepim, although I'm not sure why not looking at the Makefile.am 
[12:57] <Riddell> toma: you'd need to ask kdepim dudes if there's a reason it isn't installed (i.e. the API is private) 
[12:57] <toma> Riddell: eiks
[12:58] <toma> Riddell: ok, will do that. 
[01:02] <Tonio_> toma: I'm not very available today sorry...
[01:14] <toma> Riddell: pending the answer on that question, should I import a copy and link statically, or only copy the headers and depend on the package?
[01:26] <nuku> hi.. why does the kdebase package has got a Build-Conflicts: nvidia-glx?
[01:55] <sivang> hey Hobbsee 
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hey sivang! 
[01:55] <sivang> I'm still undecisive. I was once a KDE only user, FYI :)
[01:56] <sivang> I have both kubnutu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop installed now, I'm using application from KDE interchangbly.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[01:56] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[01:56] <sivang> Konqueror seems to succed where no browser has succeded before.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hey neoncode 
[01:58] <sivang> Hobbsee: why so?
[01:58] <neoncode> hey Hobbsee 
[01:58] <neoncode> I just installed Kubuntu Knot 3. =)
[01:58] <sivang> I'm also curious about KDE packaging as well ;-)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> sivang: it doesnt handle one of my 3 bank sites.  at all.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> sivang: not that different to gnome
[01:59] <sivang> Hobbsee: handle all of mine , while firefox can't , and it managd quite well with visitscotland.com while firefox just *chocked* to death
[02:00] <Hobbsee> sivang: ahhh...
[02:00] <Hobbsee> sivang: i hit the https:// bank bug.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> which makes it useless for that banking site, if i try to use it
[02:02] <neoncode> Hey, how stable is Knot 3?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> should be.  ish
[02:03] <Hobbsee> enough
[02:03] <Hobbsee> as stable as any of it id
[02:03] <Hobbsee> *is
[02:07] <neoncode> Right.
[02:11] <neoncode> I just installed it and told adept to install mplayer-mozilla and it said it would break. However I hade't applyed updates at that point so i'm doing that now then I'll try again.
[02:12] <Hobbsee> try with apt-get
[02:13] <neoncode> Has adept being abandoned?
[02:13] <neoncode> *been
[02:14] <Hobbsee> neoncode: not abandoned per se.  i'm not sure.  i'd have to look up the logs to see exactly what was said.
[02:15] <neoncode> Well, what's replaceing it?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> dunno
[02:16] <neoncode> Hmmm. Oh how close is Edgy to a full release?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if they'll examine smart again.  maybe it's not mature enough yet
[02:16] <Hobbsee> um.  about 20 days or something?  
[02:16] <Hobbsee> !release
[02:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:16] <Hobbsee> !schedule
[02:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[02:16] <Hobbsee> i've been meaning to combine them.
[02:16] <neoncode> Ohh.
[02:17] <neoncode> Oh, is it possible to make the bootup screen, the usplash thing, display all the system messages again?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:19] <Hobbsee> just dont ask me how
[02:19] <Hobbsee> i believe a combination of any or all of esc, ctrl, shift, etc will do it
[02:27] <Hobbsee> nice new artwork on g-p-m, btw
[02:27] <Hobbsee> looks like a real battery now :)
[02:45] <mhb> Hobbsee: you have time now?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> mhb: yep.  heya :)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[02:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hi
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heya. [whisper]   when will 3.5.5 be released?  are you releasing it?  [/whisper] 
[02:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 11th is the official date
[02:49] <Riddell> I've asked for an UVF exception
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh...so i see.  that wasnt there when i last looked.
[02:49] <Riddell> if we get that I'll probably upload toot sweet since we can't really wait for long with big changes like that
[02:49] <Hobbsee> any word on the exception yet?
[02:49] <Riddell> not yet
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how are the dapper packages?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ie, are they made?
[02:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: made and uploaded
[02:51] <Riddell> testing now welcome
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay.
[02:51] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ dapper main
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: excellent.
[02:52] <mhb> Riddell: is the kde bug 135O45 fixed in the packages ? It's marked as resolved...
[02:53] <Hobbsee> kde 135045
[02:53] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135045 in general "Crash on various occasions" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135045
[02:54] <Riddell> mhb: I believe Tonio_ uploaded that to the ubuntu archive, it's not in the 3.5.5 packages yet
[02:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, so will it be?
[02:59] <nuku> Riddell: could you explain to me why kdebase has Build-Conflicts: nvidia-glx please?
[03:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kde release dude is making new kdelibs and kdebase tars so I'll rebuild with them
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice, okay
[03:03] <Riddell> nuku: not sure I'm afraid, we probably get that from debian, try looking in the changelog
[03:04] <nuku> Riddell: it's not mentioned there :(
[03:09] <nuku> some other packages seem to mention it: "Please never ever build your opengl based packages with nvidia-glx package installed." ..hmm
[03:10] <Riddell> 14:09 < MadCoder> Riddell: because if you don't do so, the kdebase depends upon nvidia-glx because of the shlibs
[03:10] <Riddell> 14:09 < MadCoder> that's me that put the build-conflict
[03:10] <Riddell> nuku: ^^
[03:11] <nuku> ok thank you.. so i guess it will be fine for a personal build :)
[03:11] <Riddell> for local use, yes
[03:11] <Riddell> but not if sharing with others
[03:11] <nuku> yep sure..
[03:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I uploaded sime stuff for 3.5.4
[03:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I had to port the patches for 3.5.5, I tested them and that's fine.
[03:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm emailing the patches to you.
[03:24] <sivang> I wonder, the only active channel during the weekend seems to be this :)
[03:24] <sivang> that is, highly active
[03:24] <Hobbsee> sivang: the non-idiotic one, anyway
[03:24] <sivang> Hobbsee: what do you mean?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> sivang: see the "she?" comment?  yes, duh.  she. i'm unlikely to make a typo over my own gender.  then he doesnt even get the joke afterwards.
[03:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: I sent a second mail for kdelibs, I have a patch for kate segfault. works for me, but I wait for other feedbacki to report it works on kde bts
[03:25] <sivang> Hobbsee: ah, sorry, I must have ignored it automatically then
[03:26] <Hobbsee> sivang: was a while ago
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm leaving today, will not be there toonight so if you have questions, it is for now :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: make sure that your machine stays up this time :P
[03:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it will :) don't worry about it :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:28] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[03:28] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:31] <sivang> hey bddebian 
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya sivang
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's the plan for upgrading kopete?  i dont have a fast build machine at the moment.  aside from that, how does the base tarball get generated for it?
[04:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll have time on monday to work on kopete if you want
[04:44] <Tonio_> I finished the work for kipi-plugins and kde-guidance.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'd appreciate that, thanks
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: and do tell me how you do it :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> when they've only released 0.12.3 in the kdenetwork source
[04:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: email me your infos (latest sources url etc...) I'll do it
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: latest source is the kde 3.5.5 source, latest kopete is the one currently in edgy.
[04:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: received my mails ?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> i've yet to find a changelog for 0.12.3, actually
[04:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah I have to compare the versions....
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: want an email reminder anywya about it?
[04:45] <Tonio_> we can patch kdenetwork if the diff is acceptable size, but it that's too big, I think we'll have to separate it
[04:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes that would be nice since I don't have the full kopete historic
[04:46] <Tonio_> I remember we separated it from kdenetwork once
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: we've split it before.  
[04:46] <Tonio_> that's all I know :)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it's still split
[04:46] <Hobbsee> we could always shove it back in kdenetwork, if we wanted, but they seem to like releasing out of cycle
[04:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let's rediscuss this on monday okay ?
[04:47] <Tonio_> I'll have to focus on someone else this WE hehe :)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: will do.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> oh, it's only sunday morning, not monday morning.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> sorry, Tonio_ 
[04:47] <Tonio_> she's not there very often :)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: smart, focussing on a woman.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> enjoy
[04:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: heh, no problem don't worry, just that she's only there 3 days in a week; so she doesn't accept the computer during that time hehe :)
[04:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: focussing on THE woman :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sounds good to me.  yes.  the woman.  
[04:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:48] <Tonio_> leaving ;) seya on monday
[04:49] <Hobbsee> cya
[04:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: if you wanna test something usefull on that we, how about testing wengophone ?
[04:49] <Tonio_> you'll find it on my repo : http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[04:49] <Hobbsee> may do
[04:50] <freeflying> Tonio_:  Hobbsee can you reproduce malone #35760
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35760 in scim-qtimm "dapper f5: konsole transparency" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35760
[04:50] <Tonio_> a few issues but I think riddell and imbrandon have managed to do interesting things with it :)
[04:50] <Tonio_> freeflying: I have to leave, will look at that on monday. that bug is on my todo list.
[04:51] <freeflying> Tonio_: thanks
[04:51] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i dont use skim
[04:52] <Hobbsee> freeflying: works fine here.
[04:52] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thanks, seems I'd reject it :)
[04:52] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i believe it was due to skim stuff, henc ei could never reproduce it
[04:54] <freeflying> Hobbsee: when they use en_US locale, skim scim scim-qtimm stuffs will not be used indeed, so I wonder how can tghey interfere
[04:54] <Hobbsee> freeflying: at least that's what we found the cause of it was
[04:54] <Hobbsee> but i'd get the skim type people to test on 3.5.5 and see if it's still there
[04:55] <freeflying> Hobbsee: but I can not reproduce, and the author too  :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> good point
[04:59] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:16] <freeflying_> how can malone #52670 be a bug to kubuntu?
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52670 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird uses konqueror as web browser" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52670
[05:19] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: in the way we set the default browser settings
[05:21] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: ya, so it isn't a bug to kubuntu
[05:21] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: well, we should be setting the xxx-alternatives, or something like ti
[05:21] <Hobbsee> so that the default browser in kde is the same all over, for each user
[05:22] <Jucato> x-www-browser
[05:22] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: I don't think so, in kubuntu, the default should be konqueror, not the orthers
[05:22] <Jucato> or www-browser?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: yes, but what if you change it?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: that's them
[05:22] <Hobbsee> whichever
[05:22] <Jucato> heh...
[05:23] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: I'd prefer reject it
[05:23] <freeflying_> :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> to squish another bug, yes :P
[05:24] <freeflying_> heh
[05:24] <fdoving> wouldn't running 'update-alternatives' from k-d-s be a nice way? 
[05:26] <fdoving> or make a program to do it, like a wizard or something. easily undoable of course, with a config that apt wont reset every time k-d-s is updated.
[06:18] <sebas> Riddell: Installing the dapper packages now
[06:19] <marseillai> Riddell: kdevelop-dev package don't depend on automake and autoconf but it is needed to use kdevelop. is it normal ?
[06:38] <fdoving> marseillai: yes, kdevelop-dev depends on kdevelop,which depends on automake and autoconf etc.
[06:39] <marseillai> fdoving: sudo apt-get remove automake1.9 remove only automake so kdevelop don't seem to depend on it
[06:39] <marseillai> it should but it isn't
[06:40] <marseillai> no?
[06:40] <marseillai> may be i'm wrong
[06:41] <fdoving> sorry, my bad, misread. it recommends automake and autoconf.
[06:42] <marseillai> yes for kdevelop
[06:42] <marseillai> but i think kdevelop-dev should depend on it an not only recommand it
[06:43] <Tm_T> what is "apt-index-watch" ?
[06:51] <jeroenvrp> apt-index-watcher
[06:51] <fdoving> Tm_T: it's used to rebuild the apt-front indexes when you, for example run 'apt-get update' or 'aptitude update' instead of say adept -> fetch updates, or synaptics -> update.
[06:51] <jeroenvrp> do I need it? it eats 100% cpu every aprox. few sec.
[06:53] <fdoving> it does what i just wrote to :)
[06:53] <fdoving> -to
[06:53] <jeroenvrp> fdoving: I just noticed it today after the daily upgrade
[06:55] <jeroenvrp> fdoving: what it does is known, but why should it take up 100% every 5 sec
[06:56] <Tm_T> fdoving: ok, I use only apt-get, and now that stuff eats my cpu
[06:56] <fdoving> that's probably not intentional.
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> fdoving: thats what I presume
[06:56] <fdoving> not for long anyway.. and if it doesn't already, it should be patched to run at lowest priority possible.
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> ok; but do we really needed
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> need it?
[06:57] <fdoving> if you use apt-get/aptitude for all your package-stuff, no.
[06:58] <Tm_T> mooh, I reboot, maybe that frees my cpu ->
[07:08] <Riddell> sebas: any luck with 3.5.5
[07:08] <Riddell> ?
[07:09] <Riddell> marseillai: yes, you can use kdevelop with non C/C++ languages
[07:09] <sebas> Riddell: Looks good, no regressions on dapper.
[07:09] <sebas> I'm now upgrading this installation to Edgy
[07:10] <Riddell> sebas: excellent
[07:10] <sebas> Yeah, is 3.5.5 already in Edgy?
[07:10] <Riddell> sebas: no
[07:11] <Riddell> but it's on kubuntu.org
[07:11] <sebas> Not that either is released anyway ;-)
[07:11] <Riddell> yes
[07:11] <sebas> Riddell: btw, I'm in Edinburgh for a mid-week in late december with Kim
[07:11] <sebas> Just so you can book tickets to run away ;-)
[07:12] <Riddell> sebas: ooh, rocking
[07:12] <Riddell> sebas: pre-hogmanay?
[07:13] <sebas> hogmanay?
[07:13] <Riddell> the big party
[07:13] <Riddell> last day of the year
[07:13] <sebas> Ow, that one :)
[07:13] <sebas> Right before i18("Christmas")
[07:14] <sebas> 18-23rd indeed
[07:14] <sebas> So think about a doubledate or something like that
[07:15] <Riddell> my birthday is the 24th, maybe I should have a party
[07:15] <Riddell> an early party
[07:16] <sebas> Sounds good, we're leaving 22nd, early morning
[07:16] <Riddell> sebas: the edgy ones on kubuntu.org have a larger version number
[07:16] <sebas> Ah, cheater ;)
[07:17] <Riddell> sebas: who do we want to come to the ubuntu summit?
[07:17] <sebas> What's the pool we can choose from?
[07:17] <Riddell> we have john tapsell, Sebastian Kuegler, Nuno Pinheiro, Benjamin Meyer, Celeste Lyn Paul and Josef Spillner
[07:17] <Riddell> but only 5 places
[07:17] <sebas> Hm, hard decision.
[07:18] <Riddell> I want you for being cool, nuno for artistry, celeste for usability
[07:18] <sebas> Though I'm definitely for having Celeste there, meetings without usability peeps are not hip anymore
[07:18] <Riddell> exactly
[07:18] <sebas> Yeah, Ben for kcontrol stuff might make a lot of sense as well
[07:19] <Riddell> yes, I've not got hold of him to confirm he can come
[07:19] <sebas> I'll try not to return with black eye in the morning, btw.
[07:19] <Jucato> :)
[07:20] <sebas> I see little direct relation between John, Josef and Ben to Kubuntu otherwise
[07:20] <sebas> Doesn't make any decision easier though
[07:22] <sebas> Riddell: I'm thinking about tackling the decoupling of release cycles for UDS, btw.
[07:22] <Riddell> uh oh
[07:22] <sebas> 355 and edgy only shows that it makes more sense
[07:22] <sebas> Not that this situation is too likely to repeat itself in the future, but it would be cool if we could release Kubuntu together with KDE4
[07:23] <Riddell> sebas: together with kde 4 is uber complex because kde 3 and kde 4 don't sit alongside each other
[07:23] <sebas> That would be pretty cool for Kubuntu, first platform to release kde4 or something like that ... 
[07:23] <Riddell> so we'd lose any kde 3 apps not ported to kde 4, like most of extragear and koffice
[07:23] <sebas> Riddell: Challenging! ;)
[07:24] <sebas> Hm, I thought it was possible
[07:24] <sebas> That's an extremely uncomfortable migration path
[07:25] <Riddell> sebas: well it's possible if you put it in /opt and change the default path, but debian-policy (which is used by ubuntu) says everything much go in /usr
[07:25] <sebas> Hm, still messy.
[07:26] <sebas> How does Debian deal with KDE major version bumps? 
[07:26] <sebas> (i.e. looks like the policy is broken for real world usecases)
[07:26] <Riddell> sebas: last times it just said that would can only have one kde major version installed at a time
[07:27] <sebas> Well, that sucks.
[07:27] <sebas> I mean, realistically, that's just not an option.
[07:27] <Riddell> which as do-able for kde 1 -> 2 because there weren't that many apps, and for 2 -> 3 the porting was fairly easy
[07:27] <Tm_T> fdoving: what's wrong with that apt-index-watcher, it keeps eating my cpu
[07:27] <Riddell> but 3 -> 4 is a tricky port and we have more apps than ever
[07:27] <sebas> Porting 3 to 4 is probably not easy, if done well.
[07:27] <sebas> Yeah, all that phonon and solid goodness ... :)
[07:28] <fdoving> Tm_T: don't know. you can try to stop it, or remove it. '/etc/init.d/apt-index-watcher stop' to stop, and 'update-rc.d -f apt-index-watcher remove' to disable from startup.
 marseillai: yes, you can use kdevelop with non C/C++ languages -------->> oki i understand for kdevelop! but for kdevelop-dev packages i think it should be usefull! no?
[07:29] <Tm_T> fdoving: thanks, I just did kill it =)
[07:30] <sebas> Where are the 355 edgy packages?
[07:30] <Tm_T> ahh, loads dropped immediately
[07:30] <sebas> Same URL as dapper, but s/dapper/edgy?
[07:30] <fdoving> guess so.
[07:30] <fdoving> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/
[07:33] <sebas> Thanks fdoving 
[07:33] <fdoving> :)
[08:07] <mhb> um ... what is the preferred way to upgrade from Kubuntu Dapper -> Edgy (i.e. the way that I should test)?
[08:08] <Jucato> mhb: afaik, just change the "dapper" words into "edgy" in sources.list
[08:08] <mhb> switch "dapper" to "edgy" in sources.list and then run an upgrade through Adept?
[08:09] <mhb> Jucato: ok, thanks
[08:26] <fdoving> we should make a simple script to basically replace dapper/edgy in sources.list, telling users to do it manually is a mess.
[08:28] <fdoving> it's a oneliner in perl. could make it take two arguments like 'chdist-sources dapper edgy' would replace all dapper instances with edgy.. or something like that.
[08:29] <fdoving> telling users to run a command is easier than explaining what they should change in what file, and how to save with the text editor. etc.
[08:33] <sebas> http://ariya.blogspot.com/2006/10/too-many-lines-will-kill-you.html
[08:41] <sebas> Riddell: Does it make sense to have klaptopdaemon in kcontrol, or is it me?
[08:45] <Tm_T> sebas: I'll try that style, thanks for hint
[08:47] <sebas> Tm_T: Cool :)
[08:48] <Tm_T> though that possibly doesn't change much in my desktop
[08:53] <imbrandon> fdoving, sure here is your one liner with no script needed or extra packages installed , tell them " sudo sed -i s/dapper/edgy/g /etc/apt/sources.list "
[08:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:54] <Riddell> sebas: if you use kcontrol you're on your own :)
[08:54] <sebas> Riddell: Ow, right. I accept that as "it's me"
[08:55] <sebas> Edgy feels smooth and fast, btw.
[08:55] <sebas> No regressions I've found yet.
[08:55] <imbrandon> man i wish my c++ was not so rusty, i would really like to see/drive a spec for adept/other package manager
[08:56] <Riddell> sebas: how did you upgrade?
[08:57] <imbrandon> YESS !! new hdd just showed up, no more laptop only for me !!!
[08:57] <sebas> s/dapper/edgy in  sources.list
[08:57] <sebas> And then dist-upgrade
[08:58] <sebas> I had to 'manually' install the python packages, those wouldn't upgrade without first removeing the 2.4 stuff
[08:58] <imbrandon> i dident have to remove them but i had to tell python to manualy install
[08:59] <imbrandon> s/them/2.4
[08:59] <imbrandon> they were "held back"
[08:59] <sebas> Yeah, that's what I did
[09:00] <sebas> Boils down to put a little more force into it
[09:01] <imbrandon> Riddell, i think i fixed the usplash issue too earlier today too, if you hear any more complaints please tell them to poke me and i'll relook at it
[09:11] <Tm_T> sebas: there's multiple things I sorta hate :(
[09:12] <sebas> Tm_T: Such as?
[09:12] <Tm_T> I think I take a pic
[09:12] <sebas> Ok
[09:19] <Tm_T> or maybe I try to explain afterall :p
[09:19] <Tm_T> in treeview, there's ugly "buttons" instead of just symbol
[09:20] <Tm_T> same thing goes in menu
[09:20] <Tm_T> buttons instead of only symbol
[09:21] <Tm_T> or hmm, maybe that's my settings, triplechecking
[09:23] <Tm_T> no, that's in style
[09:36] <Riddell> imbrandon: what did you do?
[10:01] <imbrandon> Riddell, removed the --set and added a remove of the old old ( dapper ) alternative and the new alternative and use the weight number to set it higher than dappers ( was 20 dan dappers was 50, so now the wieght is 55 )
[10:01] <imbrandon> so should work on upgrades from dapper clean still AND not reset ( via --set ) every time k-d-s is uploaded 
[10:02] <imbrandon> Riddell, did that make sense ?
[10:02] <imbrandon> heh
[10:03] <imbrandon> Went from :
[10:03] <imbrandon> update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so 55
[10:03] <imbrandon> update-alternatives --set usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so
[10:04] <imbrandon> update-initramfs -u
[10:04] <imbrandon> To :
[10:04] <imbrandon> update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-splash.so
[10:04] <imbrandon> update-alternatives --remove usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so
[10:04] <imbrandon> update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so 55
[10:04] <imbrandon> update-initramfs -u
[10:04] <imbrandon> s/55/20 in the first one 
[10:06] <imbrandon> the --set was causing everyones usplash to be reset to kubuntu no matter what they had set using update-alternatives manualy
[10:06] <imbrandon> everytime we uploaded k-d-s
[10:16] <mhb> Riddell: sorry to bother you but the lines from the hwdb-kde were not added into Rosetta like I suggested to you
[10:28] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: you fixed it?
[10:29] <imbrandon> gnomefreak,  i'm about 98% sure i have, but some tests would be nice
[10:29] <mhb> hi kwwii 
[10:29] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[10:29] <gnomefreak> you go it i will remove k-d-s and install it to make sure.
[10:29] <gnomefreak> ack
[10:29] <gnomefreak> not sure if i want to do that :(
[10:30] <gnomefreak> just remembered what that stood for
[10:30] <gnomefreak> lol
[10:30] <imbrandon> probably not ;)
[10:30] <gnomefreak> not too bad
[10:30] <gnomefreak> i can do this
[10:31] <gnomefreak> it only removes k-d-s and -desktop
[10:31] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, make sure its 6.10-55 k-d-s installing ( i dont know if its built yet , i just uploaded it a few hours ago )
[10:31] <gnomefreak> k
[10:32] <gnomefreak> thats the one
[10:40] <kwwii> mhb, imbrandon, howdy
[10:45] <fdoving> imbrandon, yeah i know that -we- can do it easily. the idea is to make it easier for regular users that don't know sed/perl/etc. having a simple command or a button to push, is the way to go imho.
[10:46] <mhb> kwwii: did you hear the responses to your new battery icon?
[10:47] <mhb> kwwii: some people (including myself) found the concept good, but the icon itself seems out of place due to the lack of colours
[10:48] <fdoving> i agree to that. would be nice with some colors.
[10:48] <fdoving> does it go red when the batterylevel becomes low/critical? 
[10:50] <kwwii> mhb: I think that is becuase it is an oxygen icon
[10:50] <kwwii> mhb: I have another idea...just need to sit down and draw it
[10:50] <kwwii> probably tomorrow or monday
[10:50] <mhb> kwwii: ok
[10:50] <kwwii> mhb: thanks for pointing it out
[10:51] <kwwii> the old one had too much color, the new one too little :p
[10:52] <sebas> grmpf.
[10:52] <mhb> kwwii: no problem I'm glad you're open to feedback :o)
[10:52] <sebas> Linking /bin/sh to /bin/dash rather than /bin/bash has it's drawbacks.
[10:53] <mhb> sebas: what's the problem?
[10:53] <imbrandon> sebas, yea it does but its been beat to death on the -devel ML 4 or 5 times each with month long threads soooo
[10:53] <sebas> ati drivers wouldn't install without changing the link back.
[10:54] <sebas> Yeah, glad I didn't read those.
[10:58] <sebas> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: can't parse dependency -driver-fglrx
[10:58] <sebas> dpkg-gencontrol: error: error occurred while parsing Depends
[10:58] <sebas> dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 2304
[10:58] <sebas> make: *** [binary]  Error 1
[10:58] <sebas> Anybody any idea?
[10:58] <sebas> That's the result of 
[10:58] <sebas> ./ati-driver-installer-8.29.6.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy
[10:59] <imbrandon> no clue , one reason binary drivers suck 
[10:59] <imbrandon> but i hear ya
[11:00] <sebas> I'm getting pretty sick of this mess.
[11:00] <imbrandon> why not just install them instead of building a package ?
[11:02] <mhb> um... what's the current situation with libdvdcss?
[11:03] <imbrandon> mhb, what do you mean ?>
[11:03] <sebas> Hm, funky.
[11:03] <mhb> it's not available for installation in edgy
[11:03] <sebas> I've got to recompile my kernel with edgy's compiler obviously.
[11:03] <imbrandon> mhb, it isnt in any ubuntu official repos ( seveas has it )
[11:03] <imbrandon> becosue its questionably not legal in most places
[11:04] <mhb> I know it's a problematic package but is there any other way how to watch my legally bought dvd in (k)ubuntu?
[11:04] <imbrandon> nope , just install it from seveas's repos
[11:04] <imbrandon> it wont ever be in the "official" repo though
[11:05] <mhb> I guess so
[11:06] <mhb> are we going to tell all users to download it from Seveas' repos?
[11:07] <imbrandon> mhb, yes and thats how its been since day one
[11:07] <imbrandon> no change
[11:07] <mhb> really? I must have forgotten that :o)
[11:08] <imbrandon> used to tell users to get it from malirat but those are built for sid so seveas are better imho
[11:08] <imbrandon> but its really just pref
[11:17] <Tm_T> sebas: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/Serenity-amarok.png
[11:18] <sebas> Tm_T: With your colorsettings it looks like crap indeed :>
[11:18] <Tm_T> =)
[11:18] <Tm_T> sebas: well, it's fine otherwise, but those treeview "buttons" is big minus
[11:19] <sebas> Tm_T: Yeah
[11:19] <Tm_T> also notice same button thing in menu
[11:25] <Tm_T> well, it's heavy to eyes, atleast here
[11:27] <Tm_T> sebas: hmm, "CDE" colour scheme seems to be interesting
[11:31] <Tm_T> sebas: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/Serenity-amarok2.png
[11:31] <sebas> Tm_T: It fits better with the expanders, but I still don't like the colors, too little contrast
[11:32] <Tm_T> sebas: true, but I think I'll use this as base to my new colour scheme
[11:32] <Tm_T> I'm not 100 % sure about white text, but it makes everything lighter :)
[11:50] <sebas> kmilo could handle them in dapper