[12:11] <soulrider> theyre back
[12:11] <soulrider> THANK YOU!! <3
[12:12] <soulrider> all my work was there
[12:12] <Chousuke> heh
[12:12] <Chousuke> back up
[12:12] <Chousuke> :P
[12:12] <soulrider> im SO gonna back it up
[12:12] <Chousuke> on a separate machine if possible.
[12:12] <Chousuke> you never know when a hardrive fails.
[12:12] <Chousuke> or when a fire happens.
[12:12] <wildchild> can someone advice me how to install mic so I could talk by aMSN please?
[12:14] <_Shade_> i'm just doing dist upgrade as they say in the wiki. Can i close adept and then continue the process tomorrow since it's just downloading now ?
[12:15] <draik> Can Norton Ghost work on linux?
[12:16] <JohnFlux> _Shade_: yes
[12:17] <JohnFlux> _Shade_: just dist upgrade again tomorrow and it will continue from where it left off
[12:17] <JohnFlux> _Shade_: it will even continue from a half downloaded file
[12:18] <_Shade_> JohnFlux: you mean i have to  click "full upgrade" in adept, right ?
[12:18] <draik> Chousuke, my HDD is about to melt away soon
[12:18] <draik> Backup is my friend
[12:18] <wildchild> does anyone here use aMSN ???
[12:18] <ka6sox> wildchild, yes, but not the audio portion
[12:18] <wildchild> aha
[12:18] <_Shade_> because i am using adept right now, not cli
[12:18] <wildchild> :S
[12:19] <JohnFlux> _Shade_: right
[12:19] <wildchild> ka6sox which program do u use for audio cahtting
[12:19] <JohnFlux> _Shade_: the package thing is really solid now - it's been worked on for like 15 years now
[12:19] <ka6sox> skype
[12:20] <wildchild> ka6sox can I get it via adept?
[12:20] <ka6sox> probably not...
[12:20] <_Shade_> JohnFlux: that's fine... i hope it will work since it wasnt last time when i was about to perform dapper -> edgy knot3 update
[12:20] <thygrrr> Whats a good way to terminate & restart the X server when you can not interact with the screen or apps that are currently open?
[12:20] <Chousuke> draik: My HD melted a week ago
[12:20] <ka6sox> wildchild, probably from skype
[12:20] <poseidon> thygrr: ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:21] <thygrrr> poseidon, what does it do?
[12:21] <Chousuke> draik: I had no backups, but luckily important data was elsewhere :P
[12:21] <draik> Chousuke, ouch. Mine has minor welts on the bottom
[12:21] <poseidon> kills the X server.
[12:21] <thygrrr> poseidon, ok. what happens to the apps that are open?
[12:21] <draik> I'm on a 250GB HDD
[12:21] <JohnFlux> doesn't kubuntu tell X to block ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:21] <poseidon> thygrr: they all close
[12:22] <thygrrr> poseidon, do they close gracefully? :)
[12:22] <poseidon> thygrrr: no.
[12:22] <thygrrr> ouch
[12:22] <draik> Chousuke, I'm hoping that my HDD will last me to the holidays. 1TB HDD will be out by then... so they say
[12:22] <_Shade_> ok gtg
[12:23] <_Shade_> take care guys
[12:23] <_Shade_> g'nite
[12:24] <bertha> !es
[12:24] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:24] <thygrrr> poseidon, see, I have a problem I'm trying to investigate (closing LWJGL opengl apps cause my X server to pretty much stop in its tracks except for some sporadic widgets) ... it's really annoying and I only have some vague ideas. so far, I'm trying to at least avoid rebooting :)
[12:25] <thygrrr> probably only the graphics output part, apps still seem to react to the mouse (mouse cursor is rendered properly, app windows aren't). that's nasty.
[12:28] <thygrrr> Everything is fine while the LWJGL app is still running. I can even move the windows to another desktop or minimize them
[12:31] <ka6sox> trying to install dapper, once it "boots" it shuts down the monitor, keyboard *and* mouse
[12:31] <thygrrr> how can you tell the mouse is shutdown when the monitor is black?
[12:31] <wildchild> why doesnt update my /dev/apt/sources.list when I put in it: deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:31] <enguillem> hi?
[12:32] <ka6sox> because the LIGHT is OFF.
[12:32] <enguillem> where can i get a good tutorial of qt?
[12:32] <thygrrr> ok I'll intentionally crash my X server now. :)
[12:32] <cpk2> wildchild: you mean /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:32] <poseidon> yeah, ctrl-alt-backspace does, in fact, work.
[12:33] <wildchild> cpk2 yes
[12:33] <cpk2> wildchild: you editing it as root?
[12:33] <wildchild> yes
[12:33] <thygrrr> ok, CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE worked.
[12:33] <wildchild> otherwise I cant submit changes..
[12:33] <thygrrr> now I can look to fix the problem :)
[12:34] <cpk2> wildchild: so when you cat /etc/apt/sources you dont see your changes?
[12:34] <cpk2> sources.list that is
[12:34] <wildchild> nano /etc/apt/sources
[12:34] <wildchild> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:35] <cpk2> yes but cat or less it to see the changes are there
[12:35] <cpk2> if they are
[12:36] <greeg> hi guys
[12:36] <wildchild> # deb http://blognux.free.fr/debian unstable main
[12:36] <wildchild> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:36] <wildchild> it's enabled..
[12:36] <wildchild> but still when I: apt-get update there isn't any skype package
[12:37] <greeg> X for some reason is having trouble and im forced to use a live cd.  although i have not exported my firefox book marks.  it is still possible to back them up ?
[12:37] <cpk2> wildchild: does it need a gpg key?
[12:38] <wildchild> I don't know what gpg is
[12:38] <wildchild> but I take these actions from: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype?action=show&redirect=SkypeHowto
[12:38] <wildchild> and there isnt'n mentioned any gpg key
[12:38] <ka6sox> thygrrr, basically I"ve been trying hoary, breezy and dapper and haven't gotten any of them to work.
[12:39] <wildchild> '
[12:39] <tmdx120> I am having trouble with syncing my palm, can anyone help?
[12:40] <cpk2> wildchild: apt-cache search skype turn up anything?
[12:40] <greeg> X for some reason is having trouble and im forced to use a live cd.  although i have not exported my firefox book marks.  it is still possible to back them up ?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> cpk2: sykpe isnt in repos last i checked
[12:41] <wildchild> cpk2 nothing
[12:41] <cpk2> gnomefreak: he added a skype repo ^^
[12:41] <gnomefreak> Seveaa's repo had skype in it
[12:41] <cpk2> which apparently isnt working
[12:41] <gnomefreak> wildchild: did you run sudo apt-get update :)
[12:41] <wildchild> ofcourse, 4times :)
[12:42] <wildchild> hm
[12:42] <gnomefreak> wildchild: add Seveas's repo
[12:42] <wildchild> or maybe is just unstable version of 6.10 ..
[12:42] <cpk2> did it say it was able to fetch from that repo or did it ignore it?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> unless he pulled it out
[12:42] <Seveas> did that when skype.com had packages that work on Ubuntu
[12:42] <wildchild> cpk2 something did there..
[12:44] <wildchild> I have the same problem with adding into sources.list: # deb http://blognux.free.fr/debian unstable main
[12:44] <wildchild> packgage for easycam
[12:44] <cpk2> well the # means its ignored
[12:45] <wildchild> I know..
[12:45] <wildchild> I tried without #
[12:46] <wildchild> aha
[12:46] <wildchild> maybe this is the reason:
[12:47] <lluka_> anyone know how to open system sound in the terminal?
[12:48] <wildchild> cpk2: http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/193534
[12:48] <wildchild> it's like server doesn't exists
[12:48] <zorglu_> q. is there a vlc package which support mp3 encoding ?
[12:49] <zorglu_> vlc people told me it is coming from ffmpeg compiled with mp3 and statically linked
[12:49] <zorglu_> with=without
[12:49] <zorglu_> oopsa
[12:49] <zorglu_> !plf
[12:49] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[12:49] <finalbeta> what kde version does kubuntu ship?
[12:49] <buzzy> people should one install a firewall on kubuntu?
[12:50] <bertha> !es
[12:50] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: what version of kubuntu
[12:50] <finalbeta> gnomefreak, the edgy one.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> 3.5.4
[12:50] <finalbeta> thnx
[12:50] <cpk2> wildchild: yeah, how old is the wiki you have? maybe skype changed the location
[12:50] <buzzy> people should one install a firewall on kubuntu?
[12:51] <wildchild> so I have to find the location
[12:51] <zorglu_> buzzy: install one if you want to
[12:51] <buzzy> zorglu_,  am i safe if i have not?
[12:51] <buzzy> or do i risk ?
[12:52] <zorglu_> you are not safe in both case
[12:52] <cpk2> buzzy: you are perfectly safe with or without
[12:52] <buzzy> ok
[12:52] <buzzy> why zorglu_
[12:52] <buzzy> ?
[12:52] <zorglu_> with a properly configured firewall, you may be less vulnerable
[12:52] <zorglu_> buzzy: because writing software is hard and dev doesnt care much about security
[12:53] <zorglu_> buzzy: so there is security hole in software
[12:53] <greeg> dont  software testers check for those?
[12:53] <buzzy> ok
[12:53] <greeg> or even security admins perhalps ?
[12:53] <poseidon> how can I run a program with less privlages? Like, not able to use swap, and stuff?
[12:53] <buzzy> zorglu_, ok bye
[12:53] <buzzy> ;)
[12:54] <zorglu_> poseidon: 'ulimit' is the way to set some of those
[12:54] <zorglu_> quota may help too
[12:54] <zorglu_> greeg: to detect security hole is hard too :) some tools exists to help tho
[12:54] <exmethix_> i have a simple question
[12:54] <poseidon> zorglu: thanks
[12:55] <snook353> has anyone else had any probs with superkaramba?
[12:55] <exmethix_> i'd like to make a link to my trash on the desktop
[12:55] <zorglu_> but linux is well known to have much less security vulnerability than window for example
[12:55] <exmethix_> would be fine if it would change it icon when its full or empty
[12:55] <wildchild> cpk2 so u've installed manually skype?
[12:55] <wildchild> cpk2 couse I am total newbie
[12:56] <greeg> time devoted to security is time stolen from technological advancement.
[12:56] <exmethix_> could anybody help me?
[12:57] <cpk2> I dont use skype but I'm sure the have the source for it somewhere
[12:58] <snook353> exmethix_, right click on the panel
[12:58] <zorglu_> exmethix_: just tried and found out i dont know how to do it
[12:58] <exmethix_> snook353:
[12:58] <exmethix_> jep
[12:58] <exmethix_> now
[12:58] <exmethix_> ?
[12:59] <snook353> idk what jep means
[12:59] <exmethix_> jes
[12:59] <exmethix_> yes
[12:59] <snook353> still don 'tknow
[12:59] <exmethix_> what do you want to tell me?
[12:59] <cpk2> wildchild: you are in luck skype has a .deb on their site http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/
[01:00] <snook353> ok, nm
[01:00] <zorglu_> snook353: jep == yes
[01:01] <tmdx120> does anyone know how to get a palm to sync correctly using kpilot
[01:01] <chx> i know this sounds a bit whacky but really -- i have a password in my kwallet , which is open and i need the password to be used elsewhere. how can i get ? I *do* have the wallet password.
[01:01] <exmethix_> i simply want to have a trash on my desktop and that it changes the icon when full or empty
[01:01] <snook353> that's all i know.  just for the applet
[01:01] <exmethix_> would be even better if i could empty it with rightklick
[01:01] <exmethix_> ok
[01:01] <cpk2> wildchild: although skyps webite sys tht this repo works deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[01:01] <Dr_willis> exmethix_,  dont like it in the panel eh?
[01:02] <exmethix_> Dr_willis: right
[01:02] <rubikcube> any idea what might be the gpg frontend with the most complete features?  I'm especially looking for the possibility to create new subkeys
[01:03] <chx> Skype -- if you get Skype 1.3 *disable animated emoticons*
[01:03] <Dr_willis> im sure theres a way to make it show on the desktop.. but i never noticed.. I perfer it on the panel where its not always getting hidden. ;) Thers some control-center icon/tool that lists what icons are showned on the desktop
[01:03] <exmethix_> :D
[01:03] <exmethix_> very simple
[01:03] <snook353> how'd ya do it?
[01:04] <tmdx120> does anyone know how to get a palm to sync correctly using kpilot
[01:04] <snook353> exmethix_, how'd ya do it
[01:04] <exmethix_> i just made a link to url: trash:/
[01:05] <snook353> oh
[01:05] <exmethix_> icons and so on come along themselfs
[01:05] <exmethix_> :D
[01:05] <Dr_willis> google  for 'kubuntu how to show the trashcan on desktop' has a few hits.. :)
[01:05] <Torched> !garbage
[01:05] <Dr_willis> http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/23/how-to-show-the-trash-can-and-others-on-your-desktop-in-ubuntu/
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about garbage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <Dr_willis> I cant see why one would NOT like it on the panel. :)
[01:05] <exmethix_> Dr_willis: i have it
[01:06] <tmdx120> does anyone know how to get a palm to sync correctly using kpilot
[01:06] <Dr_willis> oh wiat that url is for gnome.. :P
[01:06] <Dr_willis> lol
[01:06] <Torched> all the links are always for gnome
[01:06] <Dr_willis> tmdx120,  what have you tried so far?
[01:06] <Torched> no one seems to give a fuck about kde
[01:07] <Torched> i'm sick of being persecuted
[01:07] <Dr_willis> I specificially put 'kubuntu' in the google search. :P
[01:07] <Torched> too bad!
[01:07] <Dr_willis> the #2 link was for Kubuntu. :)
[01:07] <Dr_willis> Create a text file on your Desktop by right-clicking on it and pointing to Create New > Text File. Open this file and paste the following in the file:
[01:07] <Dr_willis> http://linuxfud.wordpress.com/2006/09/24/how-to-add-the-trash-can-to-your-kubuntu-desktop/
[01:09] <tmdx120> Dr_willis: I got kpilot working. I managed to get my database file from my desktop to my palm to do a resore. Now everytime I sync Iget "unable to read system information from pilot"
[01:09] <Dr_willis> Interesting.
[01:10] <Dr_willis> so the downloading of data from Pilot -> linux worked.. but not  uploading.
[01:12] <tmdx120> Dr_willis: it synced once. And that was just a normal sync. Since the palm was empty and my kpilot had info, it added the info to the palm
[01:14] <Brydenn33> quick quesiton: my Kubuntu drive is hd0,0 How do i find out what my WindowsXP slave drive is?
[01:15] <Brydenn33> Dr_willis: do you know? you seem to know quite a bit :)
[01:17] <Dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l, and see whats what. :P then i think theres /boot/grub/SOMTHING that tells what hdX kind of drive is what  grub Named drive..
[01:17] <cpk2> Brydenn33: is it mounted?
[01:17] <Dr_willis> let me check
[01:17] <SyckPuppi> Testing 1,2,3
[01:17] <Dr_willis> /boot/grub$ cat device.map
[01:17] <Dr_willis> (hd0)   /dev/hda
[01:17] <Dr_willis> (hd2)   /dev/sda
[01:17] <Brydenn33> yes my drive is mounted
[01:17] <Dr_willis> Your device.map will vary :)
[01:18] <Brydenn33> yah i figured that
[01:19] <Brydenn33> see
[01:19] <Brydenn33> i didnt install kubuntu WITH my WinXP drive present
[01:20] <Brydenn33> so it doesnt show up in GRUB as an option to boot to
[01:20] <Brydenn33> so i need to figure out how to "manually" do it
[01:20] <Brydenn33> i'm assuming i need to add my XP drive into device.map
[01:20] <Brydenn33> and add it to the menu.list in grub
[01:20] <Brydenn33> correct?
[01:29] <AWOSDev> I'm having problems with, uh, everything.
[01:29] <AWOSDev> Konversation won't load for some reason.
[01:30] <AWOSDev> Nothing printed on stdout or stderr.
[01:30] <AWOSDev> KDE File Picker isn't listing half of the files in my home directory.
[01:30] <bluch> !xserver
[01:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:30] <AWOSDev> And OpenOffice freezes when I do, uh, anythihng.
[01:30] <AWOSDev> s/anythihng/anything
[01:31] <AWOSDev> Anybody know why all this crap is happening to my poor little laptop?
[01:32] <AWOSDev> Is there like a #Kubuntu-level2 channel?
[01:32] <rubikcube> level2?
[01:33] <AWOSDev> yeah for those harder problems that level 1 techs can't solve :)
[01:33] <rubikcube> You finished off the level 1 monster boss, continue on Level 2 :)
[01:33] <AWOSDev> :)
[01:33] <warpzone> hmm I'm like, a level 0.1. I just figured out where the log files are :-P
[01:34] <AWOSDev> warpzone, ya just discovered the wonderous /var/log huh?  :)
[01:34] <rubikcube> AWOSDev: for the really advanced problems, there are #foo-dev channels quite often
[01:34] <Dr_willis> tail -f /var/log/SOMTHING  :)
[01:34] <warpzone> but I point anybody < 0.1 to the correct wiki or forum pages. just trying to do my part :)
[01:34] <AWOSDev> Hey Dr_willis.
[01:34] <warpzone> ooo tail would be handy., im writing that down
[01:35] <Dr_willis> Hello AWOSDev
[01:35] <Dr_willis> warpzone,  tehres tools that can put the tail/log output in a terminal/desktop background also. :P
[01:36] <warpzone> Dr_willis: omg been searching for that forever, not only is it cool but I get geek creds X)
[01:36] <warpzone> now I have a direction, thanks
[01:36] <Dr_willis> 'roottail' is fun
[01:36] <Dr_willis> as is colortail
[01:37] <AWOSDev> colortail, hmm, I'll have to check that out :)
[01:37] <Dr_willis> and colorgcc
[01:37] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis, for some reason I view as a level 2.  Do you know why my laptop is really really screwed up?
[01:37] <Dr_willis> those may be a bit out of date now a days and replaced with better tools
[01:37] <Dink> Dr_willis, I installed ultraiso via cxoffice and just extracted the mdf image =)
[01:38] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  PEBKAC ?
[01:38] <Dr_willis> :P
[01:38] <AWOSDev> AWOSDev, I don't *think* so :)
[01:38] <warpzone> ooo do they have color-coding like vim or gedit?
[01:38] <Dr_willis> Dink,  thats... sick. :)
[01:38] <Dink> was the only way to do it
[01:38] <Dink> lol
[01:38] <Dr_willis> warpzone,  yep.
[01:38] <AWOSDev> I like Kdevelop for that.
[01:38] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  #1 test - i would make a totally NEW user.. and see if the issues affect him as well.
[01:39] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis, hmm interesting.
[01:39] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  if they DONT then you some how got some really messed up kde settings for the first user.
[01:39] <Dink> ohh and cxoffice 6 beta2 seems to be better at installing games then cedega, this is going to be interesting
[01:39] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis, that's a good idea.  Didn't think of that.  Shall I name him "whitenerdy" :P
[01:39] <Dr_willis> #2 test.. dont use kdm/gdm - boot to the console and start X with 'startx' see if any logg/errors show up
[01:39] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis kinda forced to do that
[01:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:39] <AWOSDev> kdm doesn't work anymore :(
[01:40] <Dr_willis> #3 - sounds lik eit may be time to backup /home in that case.. and reformat/reinstall.. :P
[01:40] <Dr_willis> #2.5 try some live cd's see if they have an issue
[01:40] <Dr_willis> im out of order now
[01:40] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis, ugh, I just installed it in August
[01:40] <Dr_willis> I reinstalled last week after testing out Edgy...
[01:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:41] <Dr_willis> advise for now.. leave edgy alonw.
[01:41] <Dr_willis> alone.  Heh heh
[01:41] <warpzone> AWOSDev: did you use the default or mess around with stuff
[01:41] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  you been twiddling with things?
[01:41] <AWOSDev> warpzone, meaning what?  I installed from the live CD.
[01:41] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis no
[01:41] <Dr_willis>  can you even Prove its a KDE issue?
[01:41] <Dr_willis> try gdm, see if it works good.
[01:41] <warpzone> my first install I tried to do some advanced stuff, not even really advanced, and wound up with no sudo and a root password and no package manager
[01:41] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis I was just making road signs in KolourPaint, went to open my I-95 Exit 21 picture, and it wasn't there
[01:42] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis so I typed the name and it opened it
[01:42] <Dr_willis> odd.
[01:42] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis and now exits 20-32 are missing
[01:42] <warpzone> AWOSDev: oh wait, I havent installed since breezy, wasnt the same then
[01:42] <AWOSDev> even with "show hidden files"
[01:42] <AWOSDev> I'm *soooooooo* confused
[01:43] <AWOSDev> And Konversation won't come up
[01:43] <Dr_willis> hidden files --> ones that begin with a .    Nothing more.. nothing less.
[01:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:43] <AWOSDev> no errors printed on the Konsole though
[01:43] <AWOSDev> so I'm on irssi
[01:43] <AWOSDev> which isn't that pretty
[01:43] <AWOSDev> half of the nicks are white on white :P
[01:44] <AWOSDev> Besides I have no where to back up to
[01:44] <AWOSDev> my ~ is very large
[01:44] <dennister> g'day all
[01:44] <AWOSDev> 600+ 4 megapixel digital camera pictures
[01:44] <Dr_willis> AWOSDev,  thats a bit personal isent it... :)
[01:45] <AWOSDev> Dr_willis LOL
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Thats what fileservers are for.
[01:45] <Dr_willis> Been tuneing up my fileserver all week.
[01:45] <AWOSDev> Yeah I don't have one, I want one
[01:45] <Dr_willis> the fan on the MB/chipset was going out making nouses.. replaced it with a Huge Heatsink/no fan.. :P
[01:45] <AWOSDev> I have the 40gig over there, but she's only got about 5GB free
[01:45] <Dr_willis> then i found a video card (old pci) with no fan...
[01:46] <Dr_willis> 40gb? gesh.. i got those ... in the closet.
[01:46] <Dr_willis> :P
[01:46] <warpzone> thats what this box is going to be as soon as I get my signing bonus :-P 1 terabyte of media and docs and games. delicious
[01:46] <AWOSDev> 1TB!?
[01:46] <AWOSDev> dang
[01:46] <Dr_willis> Slowly making a Noiseless (well very little little) Fileserver
[01:46] <AWOSDev> I really need to go to Office Depot
[01:46] <warpzone> yeah 500g HDs are cheap now
[01:46] <AWOSDev> they have a sale, 100GB for $20
[01:46] <AWOSDev> I could use that
[01:46] <AWOSDev> Heck I could make a RAID array with that
[01:46] <Dr_willis> i saw 100gb external usb/laptop sized drives for $100 today
[01:47] <warpzone> im going to do a raid0, so i guess its only 500g
[01:47] <Dr_willis> tiny and storage.
[01:47] <warpzone> man makes me feel old and Im 23. I remember my sony with 500megs
[01:47] <AWOSDev> warpzone, *only* 500GB?
[01:47] <warpzone> lol
[01:47] <AWOSDev> I remember my 8088 with 20MB
[01:47] <dennister> hey pps, anyone know how to debug ivtv driver install?
[01:47] <AWOSDev> Hey, Office Depot is still open for another hour
[01:48] <AWOSDev> Oh my I'm so tempted
[01:48] <AWOSDev> sale ends tomorrow
[01:48] <warpzone> dennister: nope :( but i'll be with you in a week or so, can't wait to try it
[01:48] <warpzone> damn AWOSDev get moving
[01:48] <dennister> when u get that new pc built?
[01:48] <AWOSDev> I could get the 20GBs of Windows crap off this laptop and make it a Linux-only
[01:49] <dennister> lucky u
[01:49] <AWOSDev> alright fine
[01:49] <warpzone> dennister: yeah this will eventually be a fileserver + mythTV box, once yknow, I learn how to set one up :-P :-P
[01:49] <AWOSDev> I think I will
[01:49] <AWOSDev> if I can scrounge up the $100 pre-rebate money I will
[01:49] <AWOSDev> well let's see what I can find through the house
[01:49] <AWOSDev> bye all!
[01:49] <warpzone> adios
[01:49] <dennister> that's what I'm trying to accomplish here with this 7mo-old htpc
[01:50] <dennister> have my lamp server, at the ivtv driver stage, but they're not right yet, and I want them right b4 I move to next stage
[01:50] <Dr_willis> i got a 5 MB hard drive out in the garrage
[01:50] <warpzone> dennister well best of luck, hope to hear updates from you
[01:51] <warpzone> Dr_willis good god
[01:51] <dennister> k...here's another question some of u may know: how do I do a search for all files on pc with the "ko" extension?
[01:51] <warpzone> locate
[01:51] <warpzone> i would do locate *.ko
[01:52] <MotorCityMadMan> Added memory/kubuntu hangs on login/removed added memory/kubuntu boot's normally/anyhelp ?/BIOS settings ?
[01:52] <Dr_willis> warpzone,  its for an Apple MacSE  little bitty Mac. the Drive/exclosure is the size of many pc's :)
[01:52] <dennister> tried that: "*.do"
[01:52] <Dr_willis> wait - it may be 15mb...
[01:52] <fateisajester> i am having the same issue as with this page http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=321704
[01:52] <fateisajester> how to i define $PATH to gtk
[01:53] <Brydenn33> sweet
[01:53] <warpzone> dennister: hmm, wonder what else woudl work
[01:53] <Dr_willis> err....
[01:53] <dennister> omg...tried again, and the list is huge! (perhaps i'd used find instead of locate b4)
[01:53] <Brydenn33> i got the dual boot to Windows XP now guys
[01:53] <Dr_willis> $PATH is one thing... whats this GTK thing you are trying to define?
[01:53] <Brydenn33> wasnt even that hard hahaha
[01:54] <warpzone> dennister my girl was doing the same thing, dunno why find and locate are so different
[01:54] <dennister> bryden: it's incredibly easy with 2 hdd
[01:54] <Brydenn33> yah i know but i had to manually do it
[01:54] <bluch> how can i use transparancy and shadows?
[01:54] <Brydenn33> didnt install kubuntu with the xp drive present
[01:54] <dennister> i didn't have to do follow any of the howto's after all
[01:54] <warpzone> Brydenn33: ever read the unofficial ubuntu starter guide?
[01:54] <fateisajester> idk. thats what it said in the forum
[01:54] <Brydenn33> warpzone:  ya, but that was a long time ago ;)
[01:54] <warpzone> Brydenn33: it shows how to set one up super easy
[01:55] <fildo_> hey guys, i have a created a sym link from my home dir / to anoter users home dir . with sudo
[01:55] <Brydenn33> warpzone: i'm sure it does. i read another link though. helped me out
[01:55] <fildo_> but when i try n ftp in , the directory is there, but there isnt any file listings
[01:55] <warpzone> Brydenn33: i point any new users to it, its what helped me start ubuntu
[01:55] <dennister> i thought the dual boot wasn't working yet because I was trying to follow the howtos
[01:56] <fildo_> would this be permissions ? would i have to chmod the symlink ?
[01:56] <dennister> then i came home one day and found my son had simply selected it in grub...and it worked!
[01:56] <Brydenn33> warpzone: yep, i went there the first time in installed kubuntu a year ago
[01:56] <dennister> didn't even have to fool windows
[01:56] <warpzone> fildo_: I would try that, if you made it with root you would need to chmod it, prolly 755
[01:57] <warpzone> dennister haha thats awesome
[01:57] <dennister> yeah...people should really be told they don't have to follow any howtos or fool windows at all with ubuntu
[01:57] <fildo_> warpzone: ta, i try now
[01:57] <Brydenn33> anyone here running Edgy?
[01:58] <DeadSouL> me
[01:58] <Brydenn33> i have the 386 installed. do they have a 686 for edgy yet?
[01:58] <DeadSouL> dunno
[01:58] <dennister> struggling with howtos to get a dual boot going for a newbie is a huge waste of time, and can turn the newbs away from linux
[01:59] <warpzone> dennister I started linux with Gentoo, I know how you feel
[01:59] <Brydenn33> lol @ Gentoo
[01:59] <dennister> mandriva wasted about 6 weeks of nonstop time
[01:59] <Brydenn33> i had a discussion about it yesterday
[01:59] <Brydenn33> i couldnt even get Gentoo to load
[01:59] <warpzone> ever seen a total newb try to configure a kernel and xserver?
[02:00] <Brydenn33> and i tried like 25 times
[02:00] <dennister> mandriva is NOT ready for 64 bit platforms for newbs...it will fall apart way too soon
[02:01] <dennister> i was really tempted to start with gentoo from the beginning...all of 2 months ago
[02:02] <warpzone> gotta say, I love ubuntu. If it wasnt for this I would maybe buy a macbook, but I actually feel like I use my computer now
[02:02] <warpzone> if only I could ditch the MS partition... but I'm learning photoshop :(
[02:03] <dennister> hey, I even programmed a dhcpd daemon from scratch the other day...debugged it, and it worked!
[02:03] <warpzone> dennister: neat, what for?
[02:03] <dennister> my isp won't let me have a static ip
[02:03] <dennister> and mythtv needs one, so I was trying to make my ubuntu server the router
[02:04] <warpzone> ooo that reminds me, gotta set up the DNS cache
[02:04] <dennister> and have the other 2 pc's connect to the internet through the hub, hub to ubuntu, ubuntu to cable modem
[02:04] <warpzone> eh for router I'll get the wrt54gl and flash it, can';t wait to play with that
[02:04] <warpzone> computer for router would just use to much electricity I think
[02:05] <dennister> wapzone, if u can, get a dlink...they have some of the best customer serve and tech support i've ever seen
[02:05] <MotorCityMadMan> Added memory/kubuntu hangs on login/removed added memory/kubuntu boot's normally/anyhelp ?/BIOS settings ?
[02:05] <dennister> warpzone; it was to be a multi-function server
[02:05] <warpzone> dennister ah
[02:06] <dennister> warpzone: like i said: dlink!
[02:06] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: not a clue man, but saying hi helps a ton in getting help
[02:06] <MotorCityMadMan> hello
[02:07] <dennister> i can't help either motorcitymadman
[02:07] <dennister> sorry
[02:07] <dennister> <--------too much of a newb
[02:07] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: :-P howdy, let me check the forums real quick, maybe this is common issue
[02:07] <MotorCityMadMan> warpzone: thank you
[02:08] <MotorCityMadMan> i'm thinking a bios setting maybe
[02:08] <MotorCityMadMan> MHz ?
[02:08] <dennister> the bios should detect the new ram
[02:08] <MotorCityMadMan> Sysinfo for 'Kubuntu': Linux 2.6.15-27-amd64-generic running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlon643400+ at 1808 MHz (3622 bogomips), , RAM: 423/1003MB, 98 proc's, 21.34min up
[02:08] <dennister> that's usually pnp
[02:09] <Torched> i want to live on a ship
[02:09] <MotorCityMadMan> dennister: it did but login screen just hangs
[02:10] <MotorCityMadMan> also did a recovery
[02:10] <MotorCityMadMan> still no luck
[02:10] <dennister> oh dear...would love to help if i could
[02:10] <MotorCityMadMan> old memory stick became very hot
[02:10] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: hey have you tried the memtest that comes with ubuntu?
[02:11] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: or does it not reach that point on boot?
[02:11] <Ranarchy> MotorCityMadMan: Have you tried the new stick on its own?
[02:11] <MotorCityMadMan> warpzone: i will give memtest a go
[02:11] <warpzone> from what I see, it might be a bad stick
[02:11] <dennister> most of what I'm good for is apa 5th, endnote script-level programming, and linux-multimedia
[02:11] <MotorCityMadMan> Ranarchy: yes and works fine
[02:11] <warpzone> hmm nvm
[02:12] <MotorCityMadMan> works good with one or the other but not both
[02:12] <dennister> are the two sticks the same? they should be matched exactly if possible
[02:13] <MotorCityMadMan> dennister: yes 1gb , 512mb both pc-3200 ddr-400
[02:14] <MotorCityMadMan> 1gb bank 1 and 512 in bank 2
[02:14] <koboi_> # ubuntu-probleme
[02:14] <dennister> k...i know the mobos are picky about dual channel matching...might detect both, but doesn't necessarily work well with both if they're not matched
[02:14] <koboi_> #ubuntu-probleme
[02:15] <dennister> hmmmmmm
[02:15] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan have you tried with another operating system to see if it is linux-specific (if thats a possibility)
[02:15] <Brydenn33> quick question: is Gentoo or OpenBSD harder to install? hehe
[02:15] <shadowraven> gentoo
[02:16] <Brydenn33> isnt gentoo based off BSD?
[02:16] <maryen> noo
[02:16] <maryen> linux
[02:16] <dennister> gentoo? i couldn't even get the livecd installed on an old pII; hung at detecting the cdrom drive
[02:16] <Brydenn33> BSD is its own thing huh
[02:16] <maryen> yeah
[02:16] <MotorCityMadMan> warpzone: yes i have / winxp boots fine / it's just kubuntu thats having the issue
[02:16] <Brydenn33> dennister:  i had the same issue. hung every time
[02:16] <dennister> imagine: not being able to install a livecd
[02:16] <dennister> lol
[02:17] <maryen> the gentoo graphical install is said to be worse
[02:17] <maryen> gentoo is for freaks that like to compile
[02:17] <maryen> aka masochists
[02:17] <MotorCityMadMan> i will do the memtest
[02:17] <Brydenn33> haha
[02:18] <dennister> and yet the systemrescuecd worked fine on the same pII, and it's gentoo-based
[02:19] <dennister> i did a compile last night, and now i'm here with a problem, lol
[02:19] <maryen> i compile some things, such as my ndiswrapper
[02:19] <dennister> <------- may be a tech wannabe, but isn't there yet
[02:19] <maryen> but when apt-get is an alternative, i always take it
[02:20] <dennister> maryen, would you know how to debug an ivtv driver make?
[02:20] <maryen> no
[02:20] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: okay this might work
[02:20] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: do you get to the login screen before it locks?
[02:20] <dennister> k...thought i'd ask
[02:21] <dennister> couple of error messages...this one may not be ivtv-specific tho: (error message will be on next line)
[02:21] <dennister> no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
[02:22] <notech> if the bios is set for dual channel and you have a 1GB and 512MB stick, it'll fail
[02:22] <warpzone> MotorCityMadMan: if you can get to a terminal before it locks (hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 at login screen) then login to the terminal and type "sudp dpkg-reconfigure kdm"
[02:22] <dennister> i think he means 1G total ram, 2 sticks of 512
[02:22] <coreymon77> hey guys
[02:22] <dennister> hi coreymon
[02:22] <coreymon77> ya
[02:23] <coreymon77> my wireless network cardis fying
[02:23] <coreymon77> so
[02:23] <coreymon77> i was wondering
[02:23] <dennister> <-----assumes 'guys' is generic for pps
[02:23] <warpzone> well hey guys im out, if MotorCity shows back up tell him to scroll up :-P
[02:23] <warpzone> thanks for help, sees ya later
[02:23] <dennister> k...bye wapzone
[02:24] <coreymon77> whats a decently priced, good wireless network card that will connect to a linksys router and works in dapper out of the box
[02:24] <dennister> oops...warpzone
[02:24] <maryen> dunno coreymon, whats wrong with your current one? dead?
[02:24] <coreymon77> dying
[02:24] <dennister> not sure what works with linux, but I adore my dlink router and card for other xp pc
[02:25] <maryen> hmm
[02:25] <dennister> they have fabulous tech support and warranties
[02:25] <josh_> whats up people
[02:25] <josh_> have  big issue i cant figure out
[02:25] <josh_> i just got a wireless router
[02:25] <maryen> http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ here u go coreymon77
[02:26] <dennister> which brand?
[02:26] <josh_> i have a network router already so i want to keep it in place for the sensitive traffic
[02:26] <dennister> routers seems to be a running theme today
[02:26] <coreymon77> my router is a linksys on
[02:26] <coreymon77> e
[02:26] <josh_> but i cant seem to have 2 routers at once?
[02:26] <dennister> sure u can josh
[02:26] <coreymon77> and im wondering if i should just get another card from linksys
[02:26] <coreymon77> or get something else
[02:26] <dennister> most small businesses have a series of routers, all daisy-chained
[02:26] <josh_> thats what i thought
[02:27] <josh_> but when i restart the computer it wont allow me to get online for some reason
[02:27] <maryen> that page should have info about wireless cards and how well they work coreymon77
[02:27] <dennister> i just feel it's safer to have wireless router and cards from the same company to ensure compatability
[02:28] <dennister> welcome back motorcity
[02:28] <coreymon77> wait a sec guys
[02:28] <MotorCityMadMan> dennister: ty
[02:28] <dennister> warpzone had to go, he said to tell u to scroll up
[02:29] <maryen> actually this one is better coreymon77 http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
[02:29] <coreymon77> all be right back
[02:29] <coreymon77> ill*
[02:30] <MotorCityMadMan> me undersatnd now: 1GB card is single-sided RAM | 512 card is dual-sided RAM
[02:30] <dennister> great motorcity! u've successfully diagnosed the problem
[02:30] <maryen> ok so let me get this straight josh_
[02:30] <dennister> now u can fix it by returning what u just bought
[02:30] <MotorCityMadMan> 1st bank supports dual and 2nd and 3rd support only single-sided RAM
[02:30] <maryen> you've got one router connected to the net
[02:31] <josh_> yes
[02:31] <maryen> then you've got another connected into it
[02:31] <maryen> for wireless
[02:31] <josh_> and another router (wireless) connect to a hub downstairs
[02:31] <josh_> exactly
[02:31] <josh_> the wife just bought a mac and she wants to do her work everywhere in the house... so i got the wireless for her
[02:31] <dennister> how many pc's do u have to these 3 routers josh?
[02:32] <maryen> i don't think that will work because your wireless router probably wont send a dhcp request to the old one
[02:32] <maryen> get a wireless access point instead
[02:32] <josh_> 3 to the first, 3 on the hub and 2 on the wireless
[02:33] <maryen> http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=427968&SourceID=k22350
[02:33] <fateisajester> does any one know if linpal is on anyof the repositories. i cant find it and im having a really hard lime installing it from a "binary+source package"
[02:33] <josh_> well the thing is... when i have all thecomputers connected to the internet and then plug in the wireless, my wife and turn on her mac and get online
[02:33] <dennister> u should be able to just get a new card for the mac, attach it (so to say) to a wireless router u've already got
[02:33] <josh_> its only if i restart and try to log on that it happens
[02:34] <maryen> you connecting via wireless yourself?
[02:34] <josh_> well the mac and my laptop arte the only 2 comps that have wireless
[02:34] <dennister> and what exactly "happens"
[02:34] <MotorCityMadMan> $90 dollar mis-steak on my part. paid for the wroung ram. not is lost thu, the 1gb ram does work in the first bank
[02:34] <josh_> but since i dont ever use the laptop in my house really there was no need for wireless
[02:35] <dennister> u should be able to return it motorcity
[02:35] <maryen> so is it a problem with your laptop or one of your landline computers?
[02:35] <MotorCityMadMan> trash man has all the rappings
[02:35] <josh_> so my wife bought and mac and wanted wireless... bought the router... hooked it up and everything is fine....then i had to reinstall linux on the comp im using now.
[02:35] <josh_> after i did the install i couldn't get online
[02:36] <josh_> so i unplugged the wireless... restarted my linux box and now i can get online
[02:36] <dennister> can u use it on another pc motorcity?
[02:36] <MotorCityMadMan> dennister: good idea
[02:36] <maryen> try plugging into the wireless router
[02:36] <dennister> always! keep all your tech receipts, wrappings until it works well
[02:36] <MotorCityMadMan> i have three towers and 4 mobo
[02:37] <josh_> i can cable connect the wireless and access it
[02:37] <dennister> <--------keeps boxes for moving purposes
[02:37] <josh_> i can even connect to the non wireless router
[02:37] <MotorCityMadMan> <-- here comes the sreew drivers out
[02:37] <josh_> i put the wireless on a sperate ip address so i could access both if i needed
[02:38] <dennister> i gotta get back to my ivtv driver-debugging pps...cya later
[02:38] <maryen> bye dennis
[02:38] <maryen> got a guide for it?
[02:38] <MotorCityMadMan> later dennister
[02:38] <MotorCityMadMan> ty
[02:38] <josh_> so with this accesspoint... i can just plug that into my hub that is connected to my router (non-wireless) and it will act as a wireless router?
[02:39] <maryen> yes
[02:39] <josh_> i will be able to connect the mac wirelessly with just the existing router?
[02:39] <maryen> yes
[02:39] <josh_> oh snap!!
[02:39] <josh_> i gotta run back to the store
[02:39] <josh_> thanks
[02:39] <maryen> lol bye
[02:39] <josh_> bye
[02:42] <MotorCityMadMan> shutting down for upgrade
[02:48] <Dr_willis> Ok.. explain this to me.. I got TV out working.. looks good.. I plug in the audio cable to my sound card.. and the tv out picture gets all sorts of interfearance...
[02:51] <BonBonTheJon> Dr_willis: what kind of video card do you use
[02:52] <Dr_willis> gt6800pro
[02:52] <BonBonTheJon> nvideo?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> Ive always noticed the tv out being sort of bla.. with interfearcnac
[02:52] <BonBonTheJon> nvidia?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> but i moved the machine today.. plugged the cables in and poof - GOOD tv out pic..
[02:52] <Dr_willis> yes nvidia
[02:53] <Dr_willis> so i then plug in the audio cables.. and bam- picture gets all sorts of interfearance
[02:53] <InteliWasp> how can i tell what version of kde i have?
[02:53] <BonBonTheJon> any idea how to get tv out working on ati
[02:53] <BonBonTheJon> InteliWasp: open any kde app and its in the help menu
[02:53] <Dr_willis> BonBonTheJon,  Nope. :P
[02:55] <Dr_willis> AHA -
[02:55] <Dr_willis> it pays to not have a cable plugged into the SVideo in, and rca in...
[02:56] <Dr_willis> putting the stero R  - into the RCA video in... is not good. :)
[02:56] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: red plug to red plug
[02:56] <jahanzaib> hello
[02:56] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: white to white
[02:57] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: yellow to yellow --
[02:57] <SeanTater> jahanzaib: hello
[02:57] <Dr_willis> they tdont match up. :P
[02:57] <Dr_willis> it has blue and black..
[02:57] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: ?
[02:57] <Dr_willis> Plus its dark behind the tv.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> But hay! i got decent tv out now!
[02:57] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: all red, yello, and red here, green and yellow for svideo
[02:58] <claudio> salve :D
[02:58] <SeanTater>  /yello/yellow
[02:58] <Dr_willis> after i went and bought  a new svideo cable that i aparently dident need .
[02:58] <LeeJunFan> Dr_willis: I'm afraid we may have to yank voice from you on this channel - not sure we need you giving advice any more :p
[02:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:58] <BonBonTheJon> dr_willis: are you using the proprietary drivers, or some open source one
[02:58] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: Actually, I;ve been looking for an svideo cable for a week
[02:58] <Dr_willis> BonBonTheJon,  using the nvidia drivers
[02:58] <claudio> nessuno parla italiano qua? :)
[02:58] <Dr_willis> SeanTater,  Walmart had some nice 6 ft ones  for $7
[02:59] <Dr_willis> SeanTater,  BestBuy was a total rip-off on them
[02:59] <ekim\> Hi
[02:59] <Dr_willis> $20 for a 6 ft svideo cable!
[02:59] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[02:59] <SeanTater> Dr_willis: um -- svideo -> rca cables?
[02:59] <SeanTater> ekim\: hello
[02:59] <SeanTater> BonBonTheJon: hello
[02:59] <Dr_willis> rca = the single plug.. svideo has several smaller pins..
[02:59] <SeanTater> !it claudio
[02:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about it claudio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:59] <ekim\> Alright...I was going to ask how to install kubuntu...
[02:59] <SeanTater> !it > claudio
[03:00] <ekim\> but first I have to figure out what version I have
[03:00] <ekim\> Is there an easy way to do that ?
[03:00] <Dr_willis> ekim\,  huh.. what are you running now anyway?
[03:00] <SeanTater> ekim\: probably
[03:00] <SeanTater> ekim\: when did you download it?
[03:00] <ekim\> Im running kubuntu niw
[03:00] <ekim\> the live cd
[03:01] <SeanTater> ekim\: if you start konqueror, it will probably tell
[03:01] <ekim\> What version did they start making the install disk and the livde cd the same disk
[03:01] <ekim\> I c
[03:01] <BonBonTheJon> dapper?
[03:01] <ekim\> Awesome
[03:01] <ekim\> IT comes with katapult
[03:01] <SeanTater> ekim\: nope
[03:01] <ekim\> Never new that
[03:02] <SeanTater> ekim\: sorry, konq won't tell
[03:02] <SeanTater> ekim\: but as for katapult, I never figured out what key started it
[03:02] <ekim\> ha
[03:02] <ekim\> its alt space
[03:02] <ekim\> I use something like it on windows all the time
[03:02] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: run 'uname -r' in konsole
[03:02] <ekim\> Love it
[03:02] <LeeJunFan> ah damn, ekim\ gave me an idea - to set my nick to /quit but it won't let me :) hehe
[03:02] <SeanTater> dumbkiwi: I once had a bird named kwiw, it was the dumbest bird I ever knew
[03:02] <ekim\> haha
[03:02] <SeanTater> dumbkiwi: /kiwi/
[03:03] <ekim\> it cant start with a \
[03:03] <ekim\> and / doesent work at  all
[03:03] <ekim> See
[03:03] <ekim> I did ekim/
[03:03] <ekim> but it didnt do it
[03:03] <ekim\> :)
[03:03] <LeeJunFan> I tried to start with / and I got an erronious nick error.
[03:03] <ekim\> Indeed
[03:04] <ekim\> O cool
[03:04] <ekim\> uname -r
[03:04] <SeanTater> ekim\: I tried cahracters like [ { and ( too, they don;t work either
[03:04] <SeanTater> ekim\: or spaces, they don't seem to work
[03:04] <ekim\> as a rule the only punctuation that works is ! . and -
[03:04] <ekim\> also _
[03:04] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: that should give the kernel you are using, that would give an indication of the release
[03:04] <ekim\> :)
[03:04] <ekim\> this might seem like a noob question..how do I copy from teh terminal
[03:04] <[testNick] > wow -- it did work
[03:04] <ekim\> Indeed
[03:05] <ekim\> 2.6.12-9-386
[03:05] <Dr_willis> ekim\,  cp command
[03:05] <ekim\> There you go
[03:05] <King_Brad> does ubuntu have any webcam software i can use?
[03:05] <Dr_willis> ekim\,  reading a few bash tutorial/guides is worth the time spent.
[03:05] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:05] <ekim\> Hmm
[03:05] <ekim\> yeah I think it omes with one
[03:05] <Sean> King_Brad: sure
[03:05] <LeeJunFan> \quit is owned by someone
[03:05] <ekim\> I figured it out
[03:05] <ekim\> ...
[03:05] <n00btard> how do i fix this error? /bin/sh: make: command not found
[03:05] <ekim\> haha
[03:05] <King_Brad> anyone got a name?
[03:05] <Sean> King_Brad: the webcam is avtually built into the kernel
[03:05] <ekim\> I didnt mean copy IN the terminal
[03:05] <ekim\> I mean copy FROM the terminal
[03:06] <ekim\> Litterally copy + paste text
[03:06] <ekim\> I know cp ha
[03:06] <Sean> King_Brad: I think one is ktvtime
[03:06] <King_Brad> Sean: ok, but i still gotta have software to use it right?
[03:06] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: right click
[03:06] <Dr_willis> select/middle click
[03:06] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:06] <ekim\> O cool
[03:06] <ekim\> :)
[03:06] <ekim\> Thanks for the tip
 O cool
[03:06] <BonBonTheJon> !make
[03:06] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:06] <ekim\> !install
[03:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[03:06] <Dr_willis> heh middle click works for me in Xchat
[03:06] <ekim\> Hey
[03:06] <LeeJunFan> maybe I should just go with LeeJ[tab] 
[03:07] <ekim\> just out of curiosity
[03:07] <BonBonTheJon> n00btard: i think you need automake
[03:07] <ekim\> Has anyone here heard of DigitalLife
[03:07] <ekim\> the convention
[03:07] <n00btard> ohhh
[03:07] <ekim\> next week
[03:07] <BonBonTheJon> n00btard: try installing that, then tell me if it worked
[03:07] <n00btard> ok thx
[03:07] <ekim\> Hmm...Im curious what other browsers could I use on here besides firefox an kq
[03:07] <ekim\> I know there are los
[03:07] <ekim\> liek galeon
[03:07] <BonBonTheJon> n00btard: what are you trying to install
[03:08] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: Opera
[03:08] <n00btard> im trying to compile this program i made
[03:08] <ekim\> O cool
[03:08] <n00btard> with kdevelop
[03:08] <ekim\> I forgot about it
[03:08] <BonBonTheJon> n00btard: do you have a compiler (ie. gcc) installed
[03:08] <ekim\> me <3 gcc :)
[03:08] <n00btard> ahhhhhh
[03:08] <n00btard> idk
[03:09] <n00btard> im new to it
[03:09] <BonBonTheJon> n00btard: you also need build-essential
[03:09] <ekim\> anyway
[03:09] <n00btard> ok thanks
[03:09] <ekim\> Is anyone going to DigitalLife next week ?
[03:09] <n00btard> do i need gcc as well?
[03:09] <LeeJunFan> I thought kdevelop had deps on all the gcc make, automake and what not, hrm.
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> n00btard: install build-essential
[03:10] <n00btard> just did, im gunna try and see if it works now
[03:10] <ekim\> Anyway ...Installing kubuntu
[03:10] <ekim\> How do I do it
[03:11] <n00btard> says it requires automake 1.6.... ill install that i guess
[03:11] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: if you are using the live cd, there is an installer icon on the desktop
[03:11] <King_Brad> ekim, the documentation should help ya
[03:12] <ekim\> :(
[03:12] <ekim\> Anyone here ?
[03:13] <BonBonTheJon> what do you need help with
[03:13] <ekim\> lol
[03:13] <n00btard> configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:13] <ekim\> Obviously I checked for the icon
[03:13] <ekim\> ...
[03:13] <n00btard> wtf does that mean?
[03:13] <ekim\> the reason im using kubuntu is for some reason ubuntu wouldent boot
[03:13] <ekim\> really frustrating
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> !includes
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about includes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <ekim\> Can sombody please help me ?
[03:15] <MotorCityMadMan> n00btard: x-dev
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hmm, maybe not.
[03:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> !xincludes
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xincludes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <BonBonTheJon> !x-dev
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh. It was just a lot of lag.
[03:16] <ubotu> x-dev: dummy package for transition purposes. In component main, is optional. Version 7.0.4-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB
[03:16] <ekim\> Please ?
[03:16] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: I'm trying to find an answer on the web site
[03:16] <MotorCityMadMan> n00btard: or maybe libx11-dev
[03:16] <Dr_willis> you mean the ubuntu live cd wouldent boot but the kuibuntu live cd would ?
[03:16] <ekim\>  O ok
[03:17] <n00btard> hmmmm
[03:17] <ekim\>  :)
[03:17] <MotorCityMadMan> n00btard: or maybe kdebase-dev
[03:17] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: if you can, try downloading the kubuntu alternative install cd
[03:17] <n00btard> im confused..
[03:17] <MotorCityMadMan> n00btard: just what are you trying to confiure ?
[03:18] <n00btard> why it is giving me this path error thing
[03:18] <BonBonTheJon> !x11-dev
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about x11-dev - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
 n00btard: just what are you trying to confiure ?
[03:18] <n00btard> when i select kdebase-dev for install it says "BREAK (install)" what does that mean?
[03:19] <n00btard> im trying to build this program
[03:19] <n00btard> with kdevelop
[03:19] <fateisajester> is there a gui for wine?
[03:20] <ekim\> ...you need one ?
[03:20] <Dr_willis> fateisajester,  a gui to do what? theres a config tool for wine with a gui.. but i hear its not  advised to use any more
[03:20] <fateisajester> it would be nice
[03:20] <ekim\> erm ok
[03:20] <Dr_willis> double click on the .exe :) perhaps
[03:21] <fateisajester> really?
[03:21] <fateisajester> that easy?
[03:21] <Dr_willis> when i install stuff with wine. it puts icons for the programs in my kde menu
[03:21] <larson9999> Dr_willis, wine-tools?  i hear that too but i always do use it.  too many things that i can't get set up without it
[03:21] <ekim\> indeed
[03:21] <fateisajester> lol
[03:21] <Dr_willis> fateisajester,  go find sol.exe and try.
[03:21] <olivier> hi no body's asleep here?
[03:22] <larson9999> olivier, i am
[03:22] <fateisajester> i am too
[03:22] <olivier> bien, je commence  tre un peu crev aussi moi :)
[03:22] <ekim\> nice
[03:23] <olivier> english room?
[03:23] <Dr_willis> !fr
[03:23] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:23] <Dr_willis> Wee. :)
[03:23] <olivier> thx
[03:23] <fateisajester> god i feel so stupid
[03:23] <fateisajester> lol
[03:23] <olivier> doesn't matter
[03:23] <n00btard> how do i fix this error? configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[03:24] <Dr_willis> n00btard,  fire up the package manager.. search for 'dev' and install anything that looks like X11 and dev :)
[03:24] <n00btard> ok
[03:24] <olivier> good night everybody
[03:24] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search x11 | grep dev
[03:24] <Dr_willis> gives me a few hits..
[03:24] <larson9999> still can't believe these dorks go to 13 year old girls' houses they met online looking for sex
[03:25] <Dr_willis> xlibs-dev - X Window System client library development files transitional package
[03:25] <Dr_willis> would be a start
[03:25] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: go to the console and type "dpkg -l | grep ubiquity", that should tell you if ubiquity is installed
[03:25] <Dr_willis> ibx11-dev - X11 client-side library (development headers)
[03:25] <ekim\> erm
[03:25] <Dr_willis> also --------->  libx11-dev - X11 client-side library (development headers)
[03:26] <ekim\> what is ubiquity ?
[03:26] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: the live cd installer
[03:26] <ekim\> O
[03:26] <ekim\> cool
[03:26] <ekim\> 1 sec
[03:26] <n00btard> wtf, now i have this error...
[03:26] <n00btard> configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:26] <n00btard> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[03:26] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: then type "dpkg -L ubiquity" to find the files installed
[03:27] <n00btard> why the hell doesn't kdevelop install all this shit when i install the program?
[03:27] <ekim\> Cam you pm me this please
[03:28] <ekim\> Hmm
[03:28] <ekim\> Weird
[03:28] <ekim\> it did nothing
[03:28] <ekim\> No errors or anything
[03:28] <BonBonTheJon> ok
[03:28] <ekim\> Can I install it somehow
[03:28] <ekim\>  ?
[03:29] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: try "dpkg -L ubiquity"
[03:29] <ekim\> k
[03:29] <ekim\> Package ubiquity is not installed
[03:30] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: maybe this isn't dapper, in which case there is no installer, and you will need to download an install cd
[03:30] <ekim\> :(
[03:30] <ekim\> K
[03:30] <ekim\> Also one more question
[03:30] <ekim\> remember when I said ubuntu wouldent boot
[03:30] <ekim\> as apposed to kubuntu
[03:30] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: yeah
[03:31] <ekim\> Welll I found this boot floppy thing
[03:31] <ekim\> Right...
[03:31] <ekim\> Using a program called rawrite
[03:31] <ekim\> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[03:31] <ekim\> problem is it only shows how to do it on windows
[03:31] <ekim\> is there a way to do it on linux
[03:32] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: that would be used if you can't boot from cd
[03:32] <ekim\> Yeah...
[03:32] <ekim\> Oh well
[03:32] <ekim\> IT will work for my purposes
[03:32] <ekim\> How do you do it on linux
[03:32] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: do you have bittorent? the download of a new cd should take only 10 minutes, then burn a new one
[03:33] <ekim\> I just downloaded ubuntu
[03:33] <ekim\> ...
[03:33] <ekim\> I wonder why it wont boot
[03:33] <ekim\> ...it boots into this thing called somthing like DSC-DOS
[03:34] <n00btard> what does "BREAK (install)" mean in Adept?
[03:34] <ekim\> or DRD-DOS
[03:34] <ekim\> or somthign like that
[03:34] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: is the cd ok, you should be a check cd option on boot
[03:34] <Dr_willis> DR-DOS
[03:34] <Dr_willis> If your system is booting to DR-DOS - that tells me its booting the Hard drive.. not the cdrom. and some how you managed to have a dr-dos bootloader on the hd.
[03:35] <ekim\> I see
[03:35] <ekim\> ...
[03:35] <ekim\> Thats it
[03:35] <ekim\> DR-dos
[03:35] <ekim\> anyways
[03:35] <ekim\> if I get to there is that bad
[03:35] <Dr_willis> #1 check the cd.. what FILES are on the cd.. if theres Somthing.iso - you burnt it wrong
[03:35] <ekim\> Indeed
[03:35] <ekim\> I thout so
[03:35] <ekim\> It was just ubuntu.iso
[03:35] <ekim\> ...I knew somthing was amiss...
[03:36] <ekim\> but the thing is ...I have burnt many isos before
[03:36] <Dr_willis> Bingo! "You just made a coaster" :)
[03:36] <ekim\> and I specifially selected BOOTABLE iso
[03:36] <ekim\> ...
[03:36] <ekim\> haha
[03:36] <Dr_willis> I always use 'burn at once ' under windows.. double click on an iso.. click burn and away it goes.
[03:36] <ekim\> Its ok
[03:36] <ekim\> I also effecrivley made a 20 cent coaster
[03:36] <ekim\> ...I used nero
[03:36] <Dr_willis> 20 cent? gesh.. buy in bulk man
[03:37] <Dr_willis> in nero i just use the burn iso image.. (i think) never select anything
[03:37] <ekim\> yeh I know ...
[03:37] <Dr_willis> been ages since ive used nero
[03:37] <ekim\> I didnt need that many
[03:37] <ekim\> Dr_willis:  for good reason
[03:37] <ekim\> ...
[03:37] <ekim\> ITs that ...it was already on the pc
[03:37] <ekim\> Ok
[03:37] <ekim\> I knew somthing was wrong when all I saw was ubuntu.iso on the disk
[03:38] <ekim\> Ok
[03:38] <ekim\> How long does it take for the ubuntu install
[03:38] <larson9999> 20 cents is cheap
[03:38] <BonBonTheJon> ekim:\ 30 mins, maybe
[03:38] <ekim\> say on a 1ghz pc with a 52x cdrom
[03:38] <ekim\> 256 megs of ram
[03:38] <larson9999> isn't it?
[03:38] <Dr_willis> 30min to an hr..
[03:39] <ekim\> That is reasonable hardware for ubuntu right
[03:39] <Dr_willis> ram is a little low..
[03:39] <ekim\> ...
[03:39] <Dr_willis> but should work ok,
[03:39] <ekim\> :(
[03:39] <ekim\> I know
[03:39] <ekim\> but its not too bad right
[03:39] <ekim\> Is ubuntu more or less ramhungry than windows
[03:39] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: maybe look into xubuntu?
[03:39] <ekim\> nah
[03:39] <Dr_willis> Much less hungry
[03:39] <ekim\> I REALLY REALLY like the ubuntu ui
[03:39] <ekim\> metacity is my thing ;)
[03:39] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:40] <ekim\> Ubuntu
[03:40] <Dr_willis> then why are you hanging in #kubuntu :)
[03:40] <Dr_willis> lol
[03:40] <ekim\> Because im USING kubuntu now
[03:40] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: xubuntu does a lot of the same as ubuntu
[03:40] <Dr_willis> we make fun of Gnome users  in here! :)
[03:40] <ekim\> ...I dont care
[03:40] <ekim\> ...
[03:40] <thompa> ive been trying gnome
[03:40] <ekim\> Kde is too shiny
[03:40] <Dr_willis> The more i tried gnome... the more i hated it.
[03:40] <ekim\> why is that ?
[03:40] <thompa> have used kde for about 5 years now
[03:40] <Dr_willis> Gnome is too Dull. :)
[03:41] <Dr_willis> happy?
[03:41] <ekim\> Exactly
[03:41] <ekim\> Kde is distracting to me
[03:41] <Dr_willis> actually many of the features i wanted/used were not in gnome.. apaently the Devs decided that the users are idiots and easially confused.
[03:41] <ekim\> I like the colors of gnome
[03:41] <thompa> it depends for me, i dont like the way ubuntu has gnome, but that can change in some settings
[03:41] <Dr_willis> colors.. pffft.
[03:41] <ekim\> their warmer
[03:41] <ekim\> :)
[03:41] <thompa> also you can run Konqueror in gnome
[03:42] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: you can change the colors
[03:42] <ekim\> Its not about the colors
[03:42] <ekim\> ...
[03:42] <Dr_willis> first thing i do on a new system is be sure to have ubuntu and kubuntu and xubuntu desktops all installed.
[03:42] <ekim\> Its the whole design
[03:42] <thompa> the other theing you may want to try is just changing the kde desktop settings and panel.. have panel on top
[03:42] <ekim\> Ok
[03:43] <ekim\> here is a tough question (NOT) how can I burn an iso (CORRECTLY!!!!) in kubuntu
[03:43] <Dr_willis> GNOME guys keep changing their minds about wether to use the Browser filemanager system. or the spatial mode. :P   heh.. that was an amusing flamewar or 5 to read.
[03:43] <Dr_willis> ekim\,  with the live cd? Hmmm...
[03:43] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: use kb3
[03:43] <BonBonTheJon> !kb3
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kb3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Dr_willis> ekim\,  correct? you are now on the Kubuntu live cd?
[03:43] <ekim\> O ok
[03:43] <BonBonTheJon> !k3b
[03:43] <thompa> first i dont like any log in sound, or the graphics
[03:43] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[03:43] <ekim\> I wasnt suer if k3b did images out of the box (so to speak)
[03:43] <ekim\> Cool
[03:44] <Dr_willis> bbl
[03:44] <ekim\> I love irc
[03:44] <thompa> if i put the debian blue background in gnome first, remove sound, add konquerer, but kubuntu is very minimal too
[03:45] <Simulacra> has anyone here had any luck getting the rt71 wireless drivers to work
[03:45] <thompa> right now i hope this upgrade fixes kubuntu edgy, make screens a little sluggish
[03:46] <thompa> i think its the nvidia is not working
[03:46] <Simulacra> im also having trouble with VIA Deltachrome
[03:46] <ekim\> I am such an idiot
[03:46] <thompa> if you change in xorg.conf driver to vesa it always works
[03:46] <ekim\> I just realized...I cant burn a cd ...because Im using the cd drive to run the OS
[03:46] <ekim\> gege
[03:46] <ekim\> hehe
[03:46] <BonBonTheJon> lol
[03:46] <ekim\> Is there a k3b for windows ?
[03:47] <thompa> but i am wondering what else is happening when there is a system upgrade that requires a reboot because of kernel
[03:47] <ekim\> Just curious
[03:47] <ekim\> Looking for a good burning app
[03:47] <Dave_W> Can anybody help me troubleshoot/diagnose a dcc problem?
[03:47] <ekim\> dcc like irc dcc ?
[03:47] <ekim\> Ok later guys
[03:47] <Dave_W> yes
[03:47] <thompa> k3b was eating too much power too
[03:47] <ekim\> Ill be back in like 20 minutes .
[03:47] <BonBonTheJon> ekim\: good luck
[03:47] <thompa> or maybe cause i got 300w only
[03:47] <ekim\> Hopefully with ubuntu installing :)
[03:47] <ekim\> thanks
[03:47] <ekim\> Ill be back
[03:48] <thompa> i did it once
[03:48] <thompa> cant remember how, was in kanotix
[03:49] <thompa> im using that too and edubuntu
[04:09] <Torched> why did amarok just freeze my computer for half an hour?
[04:10] <BonBonTheJon> Torched: what were you doing with it
[04:10] <Torched> nothing
[04:10] <Torched> i loaded up a stream someone pasted
[04:10] <BonBonTheJon> Torched: what happened just before it crashed
[04:10] <Torched> and it started building a collection in the background
[04:10] <Torched> i didn't ask it to
[04:11] <Torched> meanwhile the computer ground to a halt while amarok built a collection
[04:11] <Torched> this took half an hour
[04:12] <BonBonTheJon> Torched: you might want to ask around on #amarok
[04:23] <josh_> !easysources
[04:23] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:35] <actinic> 5 or 6 Ubuntu books now out.  Any suggestions?
[04:41] <Dr_willis> I got that Ubuntu Hacks - it has some nice info i dident know.
[04:42] <Dr_willis> Problem with Linux books - is you often waste your $$ on things that tell you stuff you allready know
[04:42] <orkid__> anyone care to help with an nvidia edgy problem?
[04:42] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu Hacks helped me do a few things  I dident know about.
[04:42] <Dr_willis> orkid__,  heh ..  seems like that stuff either works... or wont work.
[04:43] <orkid__> root@ubuntu:~# modprobe nvidia
[04:43] <orkid__> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[04:43] <orkid__> (prolly bad module version or somethin?)
[04:43] <Hawkwind> orkid__: If you're running Edgy, try in #Ubuntu+1
[04:43] <Dr_willis> check dmesg output.
[04:43] <orkid__> (everything's upto date...)
[04:43] <orkid__> Hawkwind: will do.
[04:44] <actinic> how about 'Ubuntu Unleashed" ?
[04:46] <Dr_willis> Google for book reviews i guess
[04:47] <Dr_willis> books for linux shouldent have a lot of pictures. :P
[04:47] <actinic> i dunno, naked penguins turn me on :)
[04:48] <Dr_willis> Ever see that Beer Comercial  with the Pengins in the zoo at closing time?
[04:49] <actinic> don't think so
[04:49] <Dr_willis> THey go behind a rock, and you see little Tuxcedos getting tossed all around.. then they come out all white.. with big beer guts and Speedo swim trunks on.
[04:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:50] <actinic> lol
[04:51] <Steven_M> hi all
[04:51] <actinic> like that commercial where the guy & girl decide to skinny dip in what they think is a remote pond ... turns out to be a bar aquarium, lol
[04:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:53] <Steven_M> does anyone know how to change kopete's typing area font size?
[04:54] <Steven_M> actinic: I wish I see that ad :)
[04:55] <actinic> Steven_M: i wish i were the bartender! :)
[04:56] <Steven_M> yeah hehe :)
[04:56] <actinic> off to see season premier of Battlestar Galactica.  woohoo!
[04:56] <Steven_M> actinic: which country are you from?
[04:57] <actinic> US of A
[04:57] <niroxx> what time is it in your country?
[04:57] <niroxx> @actinix
[04:57] <actinic> time to watch battlestar galactica
[04:57] <niroxx> actinic
[04:57] <actinic> lol, almost 8 pm ... Arizona
[04:58] <niroxx> arizona rocks ;)
[04:58] <actinic> yeah we've got alot of 'em :)
[04:58] <actinic> bye!
[05:01] <ranio> a
[05:01] <niroxx> hi
[05:01] <ranio> hi
[05:02] <niroxx> i will sleep yet, good night
[05:02] <ranio> I have some error with firefox
[05:02] <ranio> help me
[05:03] <niroxx> which errors ?
[05:03] <ranio> downloaded firefox
[05:03] <ranio> and run ./firefox
[05:03] <niroxx> and ... ?
[05:04] <ranio> ./run-mozilla.sh : line131: 6291 segmentation error
[05:04] <ranio> "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
[05:04] <ranio> so i can't run firefox
[05:05] <niroxx> uh and the download was really finished ? md5 sum was correct ?
[05:05] <ranio> yes
[05:05] <ranio> i tried two times ,but same error
[05:06] <ranio> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:06] <ranio> and this error
[05:06] <niroxx> have you tried to download firefox of the kubuntu repos ?
[05:06] <ranio> no
[05:07] <ranio> I am beginner
[05:07] <niroxx> than go to the console type in : "sudo aptitude install mozilla-firefox"
[05:07] <ranio> ok.
[05:07] <niroxx> no problem, it will function
[05:08] <sjg0120> Can any one help me plz~
[05:09] <sjg0120> plz tell me how to download codec for playing movie
[05:09] <niroxx> ranio: does is work ?
[05:09] <lluka> hey there, anyone know how to get a jar file to open?
[05:09] <niroxx> does it work
[05:09] <Dr_willis> !w32codec
[05:09] <ranio> wait plz
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <niroxx> k
[05:09] <Dr_willis> Hmm...
[05:09] <Dr_willis> !codec
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <sjg0120> thank you~
[05:09] <Dr_willis> Stupid bot.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> I always go get the w32codecs from the mplayer homepage and install them manually.
[05:10] <sjg0120> oh i see
[05:10] <sjg0120> thank you for helping me
[05:10] <Dr_willis> but theres other ways to get it  if you set up the right repo.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> I jut cant rember the bot factoid.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> go ask in #ubuntu
[05:11] <KDEfanboy> lluka: java -jar FILE
[05:11] <lluka> it give me error
[05:11] <ranio> ok ~!
[05:11] <ranio> thanks
[05:11] <lluka> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError
[05:11] <niroxx> no problem, good night
[05:11] <ranio> niroxx : thanks~
[05:11] <niroxx> ranio: ;)
[05:11] <niroxx> see you
[05:11] <KDEfanboy> lluka: a repository app?
[05:11] <ranio> see you~
[05:12] <lluka> no just a jar file
[05:13] <KDEfanboy> lluka: could be anyting from problem with the app, java version mismatch, or java interpreter (ie, official verson vs blackdown)
[05:14] <lluka> i dont think any java apps work
[05:15] <KDEfanboy> lluka: even hello world?
[05:15] <lluka> how do i check the hello world
[05:15] <lluka> i just wanna play pac man lol
[05:15] <jason> hi
[05:16] <jason> i need help
[05:16] <jason> any helpers out thre???
[05:16] <Dr_willis> ask a question and see.
[05:16] <jason> ok i want firefox
[05:16] <jason> i have a default install of kubuntu
[05:17] <jason> i cant figure out how to install it i figured it should be on the cd
[05:17] <jason> i even tried an auto install script from the internet
[05:17] <jason> it seemed to work but
[05:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  that add/remove programs icon dont have it in there?
[05:17] <jason> i get an error when i try and launch it from command
[05:17] <jason> its in there
[05:17] <jason> i think but it was greyed out
[05:18] <jason> or that was java that was greyed
[05:18] <Dr_willis> java is not needed..  i think. :)
[05:18] <jason> the add/remove didnt have much to choose from
[05:18] <Dr_willis> add/rremove programs. -  'any suite' search for firefox.
[05:18] <jason> let me try brb
[05:18] <Dr_willis> learn to use the tool. :P check the check box's and pull down menus
[05:19] <lluka> got a jar file i can test that u think shoudl work?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> 18422 packages are 'installable' :)
[05:19] <jason> hey bud its in there but its greyed and uncheckable
[05:19] <Dr_willis> did it ask for your password when you started it?
[05:20] <jason> yes
[05:20] <Dr_willis> thats odd..
[05:20] <jason> i dont think there are that many on mine
[05:20] <jason> is there a file that pooooints to the package sources
[05:20] <Dr_willis> !apt-get
[05:20] <jason> like how do i tell it to look on the cd
[05:20] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> it pays to learn to use the apt system
[05:21] <Dr_willis> first thign i do is disable the cdrom as a source for software. i download it off the internet
[05:21] <ejm> this channel must have a bot for troubleshooting? good, because I'm going to need one.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> !info firefox
[05:21] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-ubuntu0.6.06 (dapper), package size 7739 kB, installed size 22928 kB
[05:21] <Dr_willis> jason,  you SHOULD be able to do a 'sudo apt-get install firefox'
[05:21] <jason> ok dr let me try it
[05:22] <Dr_willis> of course ya should  proberly do a  'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'  first. :P
[05:22] <KDEfanboy> lluka: which java package do you have installed?
[05:22] <ejm> oops, I'm on the wrong channel. I should be on the mepis channel, not the kubuntu.
[05:23] <jason> Package firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:23] <jason> whats a good repo for apt\
[05:23] <jason> whats the official repo and where do i put it in my file
[05:23] <lluka> java-common, java-gcj-compat, java-gcj-compat-dev, and i compiles the jre
[05:24] <lluka> the general error seems to  be in finding the "thread in main" java.lang etc etc
[05:24] <lluka> each time its slightly different
[05:24] <lluka> but it alwasy has the word 'main'
[05:24] <jason> anyone know?
[05:24] <ejm> how would I get my broadcom 4318 wifi to work on ubuntu 6?
[05:25] <ejm> I got it to work in the last version, 5.10
[05:25] <Dr_willis> jason,   do a  'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade'  first perhaps
[05:25] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[05:25] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:26] <Dr_willis> jason,  then perhaps use that source-o-matic page to generate a new sources.list Or use adept to enable the other repos.
[05:26] <lluka> heres another one
[05:26] <lluka> Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from myjar.jar
[05:27] <jpiccolo_> i have a question for you guys, how can i connect to another pcs xserver from a different pc that only has cli
[05:27] <jason> sudo gedit /etc/apt/apt.conf
[05:27] <jason> i dont even have gedit
[05:28] <Dr_willis> gedit is notpart of Kubuntu :P
[05:28] <Dr_willis> thats Ubuntu
[05:28] <Dr_willis> try kate
[05:28] <Dr_willis> or learn vi :)
[05:28] <ejm> kedit
[05:28] <jpiccolo_> mmmm vi
[05:28] <Dr_willis> ejm,  :P if you say so.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> for once gnome and kde use a similer name?! that cant be!!
[05:29] <ejm> lol I'm actually using simplymepis.
[05:29] <ejm> I'd use ubuntu, but my wifi is messed up.
[05:29] <Dr_willis> willis@Audigy:~$ kedit
[05:29] <Dr_willis> bash: kedit: command not found
[05:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:29] <Dr_willis> !info kedit
[05:29] <ubotu> kedit: basic text editor for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 116 kB, installed size 456 kB
[05:29] <Dr_willis> !info kate
[05:29] <ubotu> kate: advanced text editor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27 (dapper), package size 754 kB, installed size 2164 kB
[05:29] <ejm> sweet...this bot is so much better than the susehelp bot on #suse.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> see... one is advanced... :P other is basic! :)
[05:30] <Dr_willis> !info kvim
[05:30] <ubotu> Package kvim does not exist in any distro I know
[05:30] <Dr_willis> Wtf!
[05:30] <ejm> lol
[05:30] <KDEfanboy> lluka: hm, first thing i'd say is that you don't need to compile a jre since there are some available in the repository
[05:30] <Dr_willis> But i like.. have kvim installed..
[05:30] <mabreaux> vym
[05:30] <lluka> was giving me the same error before :/
[05:30] <mabreaux> ?
[05:31] <KDEfanboy> lluka: since you're trying to run a non-repository app, you'll get more help on java-specific errors for it in #java
[05:31] <KDEfanboy> lluka: what error?
[05:31] <lluka> the manifesting main class
[05:31] <lluka> Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from jar.jar
[05:31] <method|> would anyone like to test out this mp3 announcer script i made for konversation + amarok?
[05:32] <lluka> i reinstalled the repository apps tho
[05:33] <M4X1MUM> whats the command to show the chmod of all files?
[05:33] <jason> boys
[05:33] <jason> it was because when i installed i had no internet connection
[05:34] <jason> so it commented out my sources by defult
[05:34] <jason> because  they "didnt verify"
[05:34] <jason> or girls
[05:34] <jason> whoever
[05:38] <Manyfold> how to activate hardware acceleration for my graphic card?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> jason,  thats why ya should of enabled the repos with adept :)
[05:39] <Dr_willis> but now ya know! and knowing is half the battle!
[05:39] <Dr_willis> I thought the add/remove programs tool - when first ran - asked to enable the different repos.. that may of been a  older version of it.
[05:39] <jason> Dr_willis: i just deleted the #
[05:39] <jason> how do i enable them with adept
[05:39] <jason> i didnt see an option
[05:40] <Dr_willis> adept would just remove the #'s
[05:40] <jpiccolo_> is there a  way that i can have a xserver installed but not boot to it automatically? just stay at the command line and i can start it if i want to?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> add/remove is a  more dumbed down interface.. adept has a repo thing  in the menus somewhere.. I perfer synaptic myself.
[05:40] <jason> i didnt see anything about sources in adept
[05:40] <Dr_willis> did you  run adept or dod you just run that 'add/remove programs' icon?
[05:41] <jason> the icon once i actually ran adept
[05:41] <Dr_willis> right now adept is dwnloading so i cant check the menus. :()
[05:41] <jason> what r u running
[05:41] <Dr_willis> !adept
[05:41] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[05:41] <jason> it cme default on kubuntu
[05:41] <KDEfanboy> lluka: hm.. what instructions did you follow to install java?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Installing games at the moment with that 'add/remove programs' icon which i THINK is a 'adept in a light-user-interface mode'
[05:42] <jpiccolo_> whats the path to the gdm.conf
[05:43] <Dr_willis> locate gdm.conf
[05:43] <Dr_willis> should find it.
[05:43] <lluka> i got hello world to werk
[05:43] <jpiccolo_> ok cool thanks
[05:43] <lluka> but pac man wont work still
[05:43] <lluka> :(
[05:43] <lluka> now its saying
[05:43] <vaimaca> hi
[05:43] <Dr_willis>  /etc/gdm/gdm.conf is one i see
[05:44] <lluka> exception  in thread..... at java.lang.Class.initializeClass(libgcj.so.7)
[05:44] <jpiccolo_> hrm nope
[05:44] <Dr_willis> what pacman?
[05:44] <jpiccolo_> and located doesnt work either
[05:44] <Dr_willis> your locate database may not be updated
[05:45] <Dr_willis> You do realize that this is KUBUNTU :P gdm is not installed by default in Kubuntu.
[05:45] <jpiccolo_> oh haha\
[05:45] <jpiccolo_> yeah
[05:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <KDEfanboy> lluka: i'd recommoned making sure you have installed using Ubuntu's instructions. after doing that, since you're trying to run a non-repository app, you should check the docs for the app and try #java
[05:45] <KDEfanboy> !java > lluka
[05:46] <jpiccolo_> Dr_willis, whats the kde version of gdm?
[05:46] <Dr_willis> kdm
[05:46] <Dr_willis> :P
[05:46] <Dr_willis> then a got the old xdm
[05:46] <M4X1MUM> guys whats the shortcut to minise windows?
[05:46] <Dr_willis> then theres the PORN variant XXXdm
[05:47] <jpiccolo_>  /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm.config
[05:48] <Dr_willis> jpiccolo_,  that would be a package file/cache is my guess
[05:48] <KDEfanboy> M4X1MUM: Control Center -> Rgional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts. [Global Shortcuts]  -> System -> Windows -> Minimize Window
[05:48] <Dr_willis>       /etc/kde3/kdm
[05:49] <Dr_willis>    /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[05:49] <Dr_willis> jpiccolo_,  you do realize thres a nice gui front end to configuring KDM. :)
[05:49] <jpiccolo_> i see, still kinda a nub
[05:49] <jpiccolo_> no i did not
[05:50] <Dr_willis> it pays to explore the control panel tools. :)
[05:50] <Dr_willis> 'system settings' :) not control panel
[05:50] <jpiccolo_> hehe yeah
[05:50] <jpiccolo_> ha control panel
[05:51] <Dr_willis> 'only the names have been changed.. to protect the lawyers'
[05:51] <M4X1MUM> thanks!
[05:52] <TheHighChild> anyone pretty knowledgeable about the different glx things? I have a few questions about which is best for me
[05:52] <Dr_willis> You dont want to hear my answers.. I HATE glx. :)
[05:53] <TheHighChild> I tried one configuration and it was horrible
[05:53] <TheHighChild> I just want a few of the effects, like desktop switching without pillaging my keyboard shortcuts
[05:54] <M4X1MUM> !nvidia
[05:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Blacken,  write a howto on it now! :)
[05:54] <noiesmo> Blacken, yeah buy a nvidia card
[05:54] <Blacken> Dr_willis: I would, if I hadn't completely ballsed it from the beginning.
[05:54] <M4X1MUM> how do i set the default internet browser??
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Oh - one of those spent 4 hrs... learning to do a 3 min job? :P
[05:55] <TheHighChild> start > system settings > KDE components (under personal) > Default applications
[05:55] <Blacken> Dr_willis: Close. See...I didn't read carefully...and I installed the ATI package first *without* config'ing it for Ubuntu...AND then tried the apt-get linux-restricted-modules way...
[05:55] <TheHighChild> M4X1MUM:
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Blacken,  :P
[05:56] <Blacken> noiesmo: Find an nVidia laptop card that doesn't entirely, entirely suck AND is sold by Dell for the extremely awesome Inspiron E1X05 series of notebooks. Then I'll get an nVidia card. But I won't hold my breath.
[05:56] <Dr_willis> i can honestly say ive never used the ati installer under ubuntu
[05:56] <Dr_willis> Nvidia based laptops can be rare.. sadly
[05:56] <M4X1MUM> aaah nice thanks
[05:56] <TheHighChild> np
[05:56] <Blacken> Dr_willis: It wasn't bad once I R'd TFH.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:57] <noiesmo> Blacken, fair enough, there should be more nvidia laptops
[05:57] <TheHighChild> so no glx/xgl/aiglx freaks in here?
[05:57] <Blacken> noiesmo: Actually, no...no...there really shouldn't be. :P
[05:57] <Dr_willis> i was suprised when the ATI stuff worked for my x200m laptop
[05:57] <Dr_willis> gee just wait for Intel to buy nvidia , and AMD to get ATI into shape...
[05:58] <Dr_willis> then... where will matrox go?
[05:58] <M4X1MUM> glx freak?
[05:58] <M4X1MUM> my pc is amd with nvidia :)
[05:58] <Dr_willis> heck - where are they now?
[05:58] <TheHighChild> meaning, someone that knows them and about them
[05:58] <Blacken> Dr_willis: Where it belongs. Down with the nice chap with a pitchfork and pointy tail.
[05:59] <TheHighChild> I can get the stuff working. I am not looking for someone to talk me through a process, just share their experience and see if I can get what I want out of it
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Blacken,  find a live cd with it - and play for an hr.. then dump it. :P
[05:59] <Blacken> And since I'm pretty sure that I probably won't like it (but want to try it anyway), I want to be able to roll back easily.
[05:59] <Blacken> Dr_willis: LiveCDs suck...I want to experience using it on my normal stuff.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Blacken,  bah..  Live CD's Rock.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> saved my Backside many a times.
[06:00] <Blacken> Dr_willis: Knoppix is nice for that, sure. I meant for anything more than that.
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Not sure how legally some of these live cds are including the nvidia and ati drivers however... :)
[06:00] <KDEfanboy> Dr_willis: which?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> I got a broke laptop - that runs SaxenOS :) it can even net-boot OTHER machines on the lan.
[06:01] <Dr_willis> KDEfanboy,  i forget which one did it last week for me.. i test most of them in vmware. but one did have  the nvidia drivers
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu's live cd - is somewhat lacking in ways
[06:01] <Dr_willis> i found a Windows XP live cd the other day.. :) now thats scary
[06:02] <noiesmo> Dr_willis, bartpe 's not bad when you do need ntfs read/write support otherwise give me a knoppix disk anyday
[06:02] <Dr_willis> belenix0.5.iso  deli-0.7.iso  DLxfce2.1_WORKS_060920-en.iso  Elive_Revolution.iso
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i THINK that elive_revolution livecd had the nvidia drivers on it.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Accelerated-KNX-1.1_20060613.iso   - looked neat.. but the download took forever.. and then dident work. :()
[06:03] <Dr_willis> its supposed to be optmized to boot faster
[06:04] <mabreaux> Yes Dr Willis that is very scary!
[06:04] <TheHighChild> Doesn't Xandros?
[06:04] <TheHighChild> or at least til they got sued
[06:05] <flaccid> what is the theme that kubuntu uses
[06:05] <flaccid> i can not select it again in kcontrol
[06:05] <Dr_willis> I was thinking Mepis or Xandros inclded them also.. but they got permission.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  no 'human' theme?
[06:06] <TheHighChild> Dr_willis: Permission? from whom? They were sued for violating the GPL, they'd have ahd to get a lot of permission.
[06:06] <Dr_willis> They got the ok from nvidia and other companies. to include the nvidia drivers
[06:06] <Dr_willis> or are we talking about 2 different companies/things. :P
[06:06] <Dr_willis> I forget the details even.. heh
[06:06] <flaccid> no human theme
[06:07] <flaccid> oh who did i ask in here about changing firefox font?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  isent Plastik the default theme? i
[06:07] <flaccid> looks like you can in Appearance -> GTK styles and fonts
[06:07] <jpiccolo_> i remeber when walmart was selling pcs with lindows on them
[06:07] <TheHighChild> Xandros was sued for violating the GPL by distributing a distro that included kernel level - closed source modules
[06:07] <flaccid> Dr_willis: i got something else with my install
[06:07] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  pick one ya like. :P lol
[06:07] <Blacken> I still wonder if it'd be possible to wrap all of that into the install process.
[06:08] <flaccid> the one i like is the deafult one
[06:08] <Blacken> Have two CD's in the box. CD 1 is Linux, CD 2 has the restricted modules.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Blacken,  i think thats how mepis does it.. not sure..
[06:08] <Blacken> Integrate on-the-fly.
[06:08] <Blacken> Dr_willis: I think so too.
[06:08] <Blacken> Dr_willis: The legality is still suspect.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> i recall a big argument/flamwar over it  some months ago
[06:14] <Dr_willis> I dont see much reason to use xandros over kubuntu , from what i am reading on the wiki pages :)
[06:14] <noiesmo> hmmm gaim does not seem to want to log on to msn anyone else having these problems
[06:15] <mabreaux> ?
[06:15] <TheHighChild> Kubuntu > *
[06:15] <TheHighChild> gaim blows
[06:15] <TheHighChild> but everything else blows more
[06:16] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, yeah so does msn but a couple mates are windows nuts so its easier to chat
[06:16] <TheHighChild> noiesmo: You have to upgrade to 2.0.3 beta
[06:16] <TheHighChild> noiesmo: 1.5 stopped working with MSN in August
[06:16] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, have done sys upgrade but will check gaim version cheers
[06:17] <TheHighChild> Betas will never be part of an upgrade to a release
[06:17] <TheHighChild> Have you tried Kopete?
[06:17] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, well there you go
[06:17] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, no will try it
[06:17] <TheHighChild> 2.0 is ok, mostly the same but a lot less options, you have to edit your gtorc just to get contrl -enter to send
[06:18] <TheHighChild> gaim 2.0*, .gtkrc*
[06:20] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, well kopetes crap
[06:21] <TheHighChild> i know, the blue heads freak me out. I still use gaim, I just do so with disdain
[06:21] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, will get gaim beta
[06:23] <TheHighChild> noiesmo: http://bsiebens.wordpress.com/2006/08/23/gaim-20-beta-3/
[06:24] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, cheers already downloading
[06:25] <TheHighChild> noiesmo: excellent, don't get your hopes up, there's nothing much done  to the UI and a ton of features removed. I can only presume the guts are what's being worked on.
[06:25] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, don't worry I won't all I wants basic chat anyway
[06:26] <TheHighChild> noiesmo: Cool, if you need any setup assistance, let me know
[06:27] <noiesmo> TheHighChild, thanks
[06:27] <Prak> i have a question about whether a laptop driver that's written for windows xp environment would work in kubuntu using an emulator
[06:28] <turtletime> Hi all, I'm thinking about installing kubuntu as a LAMP/Personal Dev Machine.  Can anyone point me to a package list for ubuntu/kubuntu? Is it basically debian packages or what? I'm looking for something like freshports.org for freebsd or http://www.gentoo-portage.com/ for gentoo... Anyone got anthing?
[06:29] <turtletime> Nevermind...google helped me :)
[06:29] <TheHighChild> Prak: Unlikely unless you're talking about wireless. In that case, ndiswrapper will do that
[06:31] <Prak> i'm using an acer travelmate 2300 laptop right now
[06:32] <Prak> i would like to retain the launch manager and the eSettings feature where i can control my fan to turn on all the time
[06:33] <Prak> in ubuntu
[06:34] <TheHighChild> Prak: I don't know of anything and am doubtful you'll find an emulator, however, there are probably some hacks out there to do the same things
[06:34] <Prak> ok
[06:34] <Prak> probably hold it off for now then
[06:34] <Prak> thanks
[06:35] <BonBonTheJon>  /msg nickserv link BonBonTheJon 2064679
[06:35] <Jucato> uh oh....
[06:38] <flaccid> so where to get the kubuntu default kde theme from?
[06:38] <BonBonTheJon> flaccid: what do you mean
[06:38] <Jucato> flaccid: what do you mean?
[06:39] <flaccid> when i installed kubuntu it had a different kde theme
[06:39] <flaccid> it is not in the list of themes
[06:39] <flaccid> and i want to go back to it
[06:40] <Jucato> In Dapper? the default color scheme is "Kubuntu Colors", the default window decoration is Crystal, default icon set is Crystal SVG, default style (not 100% sure) is Lipstik
[06:40] <flaccid> yes dapper
[06:40] <flaccid> w0a so a theme was never made?
[06:41] <Jucato> flaccid: KDE themes are handled differently from how Windows handles themes
[06:41] <flaccid> i don't use windows
[06:41] <flaccid> but a theme could be created to apply those styles could it not?
[06:41] <Jucato> or GNOME for that matter :)
[06:42] <BonBonTheJon> flaccid: Plastik theme is close to the default kubuntu them
[06:42] <flaccid> why do you assume i'm a windows user?
[06:42] <Jucato> flaccid: well it could, except that KDE Theme Manager is a bit gimped
[06:42] <flaccid> Plastik doesn't use the crysal window dec
[06:42] <Jucato> flaccid: I'm not assuming. I'm just stating a fact
[06:42] <Arepie> i've installed my ATI driver.. but.. there's an error..
[06:42] <flaccid> lol that fact didn't help :)
[06:42] <Arepie> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual!
[06:42] <Jucato> flaccid: Plastik is a widget style. you can use it with any window decorator
[06:42] <Jucato> decoration
[06:43] <june> !ntfs
[06:43] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[06:43] <Jucato> flaccid: afaik, Kubuntu doesn't use the "KDE Theme Manager" (.kth files) as much as possible
[06:43] <flaccid> basically my point is if someone wants to go back to kubuntu 'factory default' theme, there is no 1-click
[06:43] <Jucato> that's why it's not even in System Settings (but it is in KControl)
[06:43] <Jucato> ooh hybrid!
[06:44] <flaccid> but i appreciate you knowing the dapper components to change individually
[06:44] <flaccid> i'm back to normal now..
[06:44] <Jucato> flaccid: true. but you see, .kth files (KDE Theme Manager) only works if and only if *all* the components of the theme is already installed
[06:44] <Cyraq> wow, ssh is fast today.
[06:44] <flaccid> Jucato: thats ok, because by default they are
[06:44] <Jucato> it doesn't automatically install/download those themes if needed
[06:45] <flaccid> but the themes it needs are installed :)
[06:45] <flaccid> you would have to uninstall them
[06:46] <Jucato> true. but since KDE Theme Manager isn't in System Settings, it's a bit pointless to have a .kth file for the Kubuntu theme. imho
[06:47] <BonBonTheJon> what is the default media player in kubuntu? isn't it kaffeine?
[06:48] <Jucato> BonBonTheJon: Kaffeine for video, Amarok for audio, KsCD for Audio CD's
[06:48] <Jucato> but Kaffeine can do all of those, too. @_@
[06:48] <BonBonTheJon> Jucato: thanks, I've been using kmplayer, but I don't like it
[06:55] <Ademan> when i try to open a word *.doc all it displays is "Your browser does not support frames" what should I do?
[06:56] <Jucato> Ademan: can you right-click on it and select Open With OpenOffice?
[06:56] <Ademan> oh, yeah its being opened with open office
[06:57] <flaccid> !fat32
[06:57] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[06:57] <Jucato> it's OpenOffice that's giving that error message?
[06:57] <flaccid> program to scan fat32 partitions for errors?
[06:58] <Parkotron> flaccid: fsck.vfat, I think.
[06:58] <flaccid> mad thanks
[06:59] <Ademan> Jucato: no, its actually in the editing area
[06:59] <Jucato> maybe that's all that it contains?
[06:59] <Ademan> nope
[06:59] <Ademan> opened it with kate
[07:00] <Ademan> theres a LOT more
[07:00] <Arepie> what does this mean? -> "Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual!"
[07:00] <Jucato> hm.. strange indeed...
[07:00] <Ademan> Arepie: do you have your graphics divers?
[07:00] <Ademan> drivers*
[07:00] <Arepie> yes.. i've installed it
[07:01] <Arepie> i just install the new ATI driver
[07:01] <flaccid> sweet that works good
[07:01] <Ademan> Arepie: go to the console and do glxinfo, paste it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:01] <Arepie> Ademan: hold on
[07:02] <Ademan> Jucato: yeah, one of the lines i saw in kate was MicrosoftOffice.8  is it possible its an unsupported format?
[07:02] <Arepie> Ademan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25883/
[07:02] <Jucato> that I wouldn't know...  haven't touched an MS Word document in a looooooong time...
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Jucato: cooties?
[07:03] <Jucato> DaSkreech: nah. I just haven't had done any heavy duty word processing in years :)
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Wimp :)
[07:04] <Jucato> lol
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Real men Process :)
[07:04] <Jucato> wimp? I use Kate for my document needs, and mostly save in HTML format/code :P
[07:04] <arunkale> Jucato: Why does Kate add those damn dots after each word
[07:05] <Jucato> arunkale: not sure why. it's a setting I guess, for the benefit of programmers? not really sure
[07:05] <Ademan> its to signify a tab
[07:05] <Ademan> there's a way to turn it off
[07:05] <arunkale> Okay...
[07:05] <Ademan> gimme a sec
[07:05] <arunkale> Is there any way to get rid of those? :)
[07:06] <Jucato> Settings > Configure Kate > Editor group > Appearance > uncheck Show Indentation Lines?  (not 100% sure)
[07:07] <arunkale> okay..
[07:07] <arunkale> will try it
[07:07] <arunkale> btw, i cant wait for edgy this month
[07:07] <DaSkreech> arunkale: Poll time :)
[07:07] <mabreaux> anyone know when it is due to be released?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> arunkale: What are you interested in for edgy?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> !schedule
[07:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[07:08] <arunkale> The looks
[07:08] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:08] <Jucato> mabreaux: Oct 26 if all goes well
[07:08] <arunkale> Jucato: Show Indentation Lines is already unchecked
[07:08] <Jucato> arunkale: hm.. I'll go looking again :)
[07:09] <arunkale> What's Xen
[07:09] <TheHighChild> anyone use 3ddesktop?
[07:09] <Jucato> TheHighChild: I do
[07:10] <TheHighChild> Jucato: their site is skimpy, does it provide anything outside of the desktop switching? Is there a keyboard shortcut for it?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> http://www.tiltedmill.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7221&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1134941050
[07:11] <DaSkreech> :-D
[07:11] <Jucato> TheHighChild: well it's pure desktop switching, but there are different modes/styles of switching. you'd have to make your own keyboard shortcut for it
[07:11] <TheHighChild> Jucato: ok, thanks
[07:11] <Jucato> TheHighChild: man:/3ddesk (in Konqueror) gives a bit more detail
[07:13] <TheHighChild> DaSkreech: You play Enemy Territory? If so, you have to try the No Quarter mod, a couple friends made it. Totally revived the game.
[07:13] <Jucato> arunkale: I'm baffled, I can't seem to see the setting. what version of Kate are you using btw?
[07:13] <arunkale> Kate 2.5.2
[07:13] <DaSkreech> TheHighChild: What's it do?
[07:14] <Jucato> arunkale: hm.. probably they removed it in 2.5.4... I'm not sure...
[07:14] <TheHighChild> DaSkreech: New weapons, much better admin interface, some new skins and animations, lots of new features like CPR and 9 levels per class.
[07:15] <DaSkreech> Hmmm :-)
[07:15] <arunkale> Where's that link with the Edgy screenshots
[07:15] <arunkale> What are the major differences in the looks?
[07:15] <arunkale> and other functions
[07:16] <Ademan> Arepie: sorry i was afk, doesnt sound like you installed them right
[07:16] <Ademan> either that or you may need to edit your xorg.conf
[07:17] <Arepie> how to edit my xorg.conf ?
[07:17] <wrabbit^> sudo gedit /sbin/xorg.conf
[07:17] <wrabbit^> I think that's the path
[07:17] <wrabbit^> ouchy
[07:17] <Jucato> arunkale: the "looks" may or may not be final yet. but as of Knot 3 (Alpha) they have this: http://jucato.multiply.com/photos/album/24 | for Beta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Beta/Kubuntu and http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution=Kubuntu%206.10%20Beta
[07:18] <Jucato> Arepie: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:18] <wrabbit^> aww
[07:18] <wrabbit^> same thing
[07:18] <Jucato> what same thing?
[07:18] <wrabbit^> ksame kthing
[07:18] <Jucato> gedit is not installed on Kubuntu, so it would give him an error
[07:19] <Jucato> there is no /sbin/xorg.conf file, that would also give him an error
[07:19] <wrabbit^> ah alright.  I have ubuntu with the kde desktop.  Didn't realise they were different
[07:19] <Jucato> as for using sudo to launch gedit/kate...
[07:19] <DaSkreech> and you don't sudo graphical apps
[07:19] <Jucato> !kdesu
[07:19] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:20] <Jucato> hey leave some for me!! :)
[07:20] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Well now you have won half the battle :)
[07:20] <Jucato> lol... G.I. Joe :)
[07:21] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, There's a battle?
[07:21] <Jucato> "So now you know! And knowing is half the battle." - G.I. Joe
[07:21] <wrabbit^> ah right... I was more of a TMNT guy
[07:21] <Jucato> heh. cowabunga?
[07:22] <Jucato> (how do you spell that anyway?!?! lol!)
[07:22] <DaSkreech> As long as it has cow in it it's right
[07:22] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Seen the new movie?
[07:23] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: It's not even out yet, is it?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> No
[07:23] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, Then no
[07:23] <DaSkreech>  And John Woo isn't directing it any more :(
[07:23] <maryen> the power display in edgy freezes sometimes, how would i bug report it
[07:23] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: any idea who is? I lost touch with the shell heads a while back
[07:24] <DaSkreech> filmforce.ign.com shouldn't let you down :)
[07:25] <maryen> you guys should upgrade to edgy
[07:25] <maryen> you can play flash movies in firefox without any problems at all
[07:25] <arunkale> why is that right click dialog box for flash movies so ugly
[07:26] <Jucato> hm... I very rarely have problems with Flash movies in Konqi on Dapper...
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Flash9 Should be out soon :)
[07:26] <Jucato> arunkale: GTK1 I think
[07:26] <maryen> dunno, because macromedia now adobe sucks
[07:26] <Jucato> DaSkreech: soon as in next year :P
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Next year is soon
[07:26] <DaSkreech>  Ask any Microsoft Exec
[07:26] <Jucato> hah! Next decade is soon for MS :P
[07:27] <wrabbit^> Is there a way to "repair and clean" my installation without having to a) reinstall and b)lose the saved stuff in /home/username?
[07:27] <arunkale> kubuntu edgy looks all web 2.0
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Whereas whenever KDE4 comes out it's too Damn long >_<
[07:27] <maryen> sound always runs in flash on edgy unless you are actually running a sound atm, like playing music in amarok
[07:27] <Jucato> arunkale: really? could you please define what web 2.0 is or looks like?
[07:27] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: is home on it's own parition
[07:27] <maryen> ill have you take that back arunkale
[07:28] <arunkale> haha okay, i'll take that back
[07:28] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: I'm pretty sure it isn't.  It was a default installation
[07:28] <arunkale> i just meant the gloss
[07:28] <maryen> ah
[07:28] <DaSkreech> A well consider doing that at some point :)
[07:28] <maryen> it is kinda glossy
[07:28] <maryen> but i like it
[07:28] <DaSkreech> What's the problem with your install?
[07:28] <mabreaux> when edgy comes out is there a system update proceedure or do you have to save and reformat?
[07:28] <maryen> plus fonts look a lot better, and everything is awesome
[07:28] <Jucato> heh since when did glossy = web 2.0? :P
[07:28] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[07:28] <ubotu> Upgrading, please see the instructions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:29] <arunkale> maryen: my fonts render like os x anyway
[07:29] <Jucato> mabreaux: you can just upgrade if you want to
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Everyone says that
[07:29] <DaSkreech>  what does that mean?
[07:29] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: No problems.  I'd just like to get rid of alot of crap and start over.  It's my first time on linux so now that everything is the way I like it, I had to go through alot of crap to get here
[07:29] <maryen> mabreaux, you just need to alter your repos to edgy ones and then do apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:29] <wrabbit^> Clean is good
[07:29] <DaSkreech> Sooooo you want to get rid of all the work you did to get to the point of it being good?
[07:30] <maryen> does apt in dapper have autoremove?
[07:30] <pierre_> hello
[07:30] <maryen> i forget
[07:30] <maryen> hi
[07:30] <Jucato> maryen: no
[07:30] <pierre_> i am looking for a great notebook solution - like onenote from ms... something compareable?
[07:30] <maryen> :/
[07:30] <maryen> onenote?
[07:30] <Jucato> maryen: but then again,there's aptitude :)
[07:31] <unix_infidel> pierre_: you're running a tablet on Kubuntu?
[07:31] <arunkale> What are the major functional differences between Edgy and Dapper?
[07:31] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, I know it sounds wierd but yeah.
[07:31] <maryen> knotes?
[07:31] <maryen> journal in kontact
[07:31] <pierre_> no - but i like onenote for my notes
[07:31] <DaSkreech> unix_infidel: May want to invert that question
[07:31] <Jucato> arunkale: more recent kernel, more recent KDE, more recent version of some apps
[07:31] <unix_infidel> DaSkreech: just woke up :)
[07:31] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: I won't learn anything otherwise.  First off, I'd like to get rid of automatix.  That thing did alot for me and I haven't learnt anything in the process.
[07:31] <arunkale> Jucato: ah, okay
[07:31] <DaSkreech> unix_infidel: Just going to bed
[07:31] <maryen> arunkale: apt has autoremove and can recognize when packages are no longer needed
[07:31] <Jucato> arunkale: new init system (upstart), new looks for System Settings, new themes
[07:32] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Ha ha wise choice
[07:32] <unix_infidel> i find VIM a better system for taking notes than onenote honestly.
[07:32] <arunkale> cool
[07:32] <maryen> arunkale: powermanagement is better
[07:32] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: What do you have in ~?
[07:32] <maryen> arunkale: alot better
[07:32] <pierre_> knotes and journal are both not convincing for me... i like the tab and structure in onenote
[07:32] <Jucato> maryen: have you tried removing something installed with kubuntu-desktop yet?
[07:32] <maryen> hmm?
[07:32] <unix_infidel> pierre_: if you just need tabs, vim+screen :P
[07:32] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: -?
[07:32] <maryen> not yet, why?
[07:32] <Jucato> Kontact's Journal is a.. joke... :(
[07:32] <TheHighChild> lol
[07:32] <unix_infidel> or a multitabbed $TERM with VIM
[07:32] <DaSkreech> ~ == $HOME
[07:32] <Jucato> KNotes in Kontact is a bit.. er...
[07:33] <arunkale> Jucato: look what I came across on google search.. 'Jucato's Data Core'
[07:33] <Jucato> arunkale: Wordpress or Multiply? :P
[07:33] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, ahh.  Just PDF files, python stuff and other misc. mp3 podcast episodes.
[07:33] <maryen> are you talking about the suggested apps jucato?
[07:33] <arunkale> Multiply
[07:33] <DaSkreech> arunkale: While searching for Jessica alba no doubt
[07:33] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, I could always burn em
[07:33] <arunkale> you're on Wordpress too?
[07:33] <arunkale> haha
[07:33] <Jucato> arunkale: *was*...
[07:33] <TheHighChild> I think Knotes rock. Ufortunately Outlook (although very crappy) is still better than Kontact
[07:33] <pierre_> unix_infidel - no that doesnt work so fine for me
[07:33] <pierre_> hehe
[07:33] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: sure if you don't have a spare hard drive somewhere
[07:33] <maryen> i love kontact
[07:34] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: When reinstalling make a parition for /home
[07:34] <Jucato> TheHighChild: yeah KNotes is good as a standalone app. but when you use it with Kontact.. it just isn't....
[07:34] <arunkale> i'm just upset i cant use xgl/compiz
[07:34] <maryen> arunkale: oh yeah, the open source drivers for video cards are much much better
[07:34] <TheHighChild> I like Kmail alot it's just not a very good client if you have to migrate a lot of mail
[07:34] <DaSkreech> pierre_: What do you like about onenote?
[07:34] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech: alright.  Shouldn't be too hard.  I'll burn and give it a try now.  Once my installation for Ubuntu is done, I just have to sudo apt-get kde-desktop right?
[07:34] <maryen> arunkale: plus easy beryl usage
[07:34] <unix_infidel> does kmail handle outlook imports?
[07:34] <TheHighChild> Jucato: That's how I feela bout the entire Suite
[07:34] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Umm ok :)
[07:35] <arunkale> maryen: what's beryl
[07:35] <DaSkreech>  wrabbit^: You want KDE and Gnome?
[07:35] <pierre_> the tab structure... and the possibilite to organize all notes very well - fast and simple
[07:35] <TheHighChild> apt-get install
[07:35] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, Just KDE
[07:35] <pierre_> i like "memoranda" looks very good, but i cant install... get always error
[07:35] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Why don't you just use a kubuntu Cd?
[07:35] <Jucato> maryen: if you try to remove one of the default apps installed, it will try to remove almost everything
[07:35] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, I don't have one
[07:35] <maryen> arunkale: compiz forked and beryl is the community verion, with better kde support
[07:35] <DaSkreech> ha ha which Ubuntu Cd do you have?
[07:36] <wrabbit^> The latest
[07:36] <maryen> jucato: guh... -.0 they needa fix that
[07:36] <wrabbit^> 6.06 LLTS
[07:36] <wrabbit^> =L
[07:36] <DaSkreech> maryen: And even cooler is that KDE has better support for it :)
[07:36] <arunkale> maryen: too bad i can't get this stuff.. i have an integrated video card
[07:36] <DaSkreech> wrabbit^: Sorry I meant Live or alternate?
[07:36] <maryen> intel card?
[07:36] <arunkale> S3 Savage
[07:36] <Linux_Galore> yeah s3 works
[07:36] <DaSkreech> Jucato: My friend wants to build an AIGLX Ubuntu Live Cd
[07:36] <Jucato> I hope KNotes become as good as Tomboy someday... :(
[07:37] <maryen> arunkale: it might work, the open source ati drivers in edgy now have 3d acceleration
[07:37] <mike__> hello would a snes emulator need to be  ran in wine or should it start right in a file manager?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> It's a S3 mobo he has as well
[07:37] <Linux_Galore> arunkale: no good for heavy stuff like XGL though
[07:37] <arunkale> I need to get a new computer, but doesn't look like I'm going to be able to afford it anytime soon
[07:37] <maryen> mike_: apt-get zsnes
[07:37] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, it's the live/install cd
[07:37] <maryen> mike_: er apt-get install zsnes
[07:37] <Jucato> mike__: there's zsnes
[07:37] <wrabbit^> it was sent
[07:37] <DaSkreech> >_<
[07:37] <mike__> ok thanks all will try
[07:37] <DaSkreech> And you didn't get a Alternate Cd?
[07:37] <maryen> not that i use zsnes to play illegal games
[07:38] <wrabbit^> DaSkreech, Not that I know of
[07:38] <mike__> maryen I didn't make that assumption
[07:38] <maryen> hopefully beryl will get cleaned up and faster
[07:38] <DaSkreech> maryen: It's open source so .... Duh!
[07:39] <maryen> daskreech: hush
[07:39] <DaSkreech> PLus it's totally useless Bling so lots of people will jump on it :)
[07:39] <maryen> actually i would think if properly programmed it could speed up your desktop by using your gpu to draw rather than the processor
[07:40] <arunkale> has anyone heard the new audioslave? it's f***in awesome
[07:40] <DaSkreech> maryen: http://developer.kde.org/summerofcode/knoware.html
[07:41] <maryen> thats an awesome project
[07:41] <Jucato> arunkale: a new one? it's been there for almost like ages
[07:41] <maryen> and definitely needs to be done
[07:41] <arunkale> revelations?
[07:41] <Jucato> audiocd:/
[07:41] <maryen> then we can put those gnome users in their place once and for all
[07:42] <arunkale> i dont get how people prefer gnome over kde
[07:42] <DaSkreech> maryen: It's in SVN :)
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Course no one is working on it :-P
[07:43] <Jucato> arunkale: two words: personal preference
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Hasn't been touched in 8 months
[07:43] <DaSkreech> Same way they prefer windows over * and fish over an interesting pet
[07:43] <mike__> when I try to run that apt get Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[07:43] <maryen> bah
[07:43] <pierre_> pierre@pg:~/Desktop/MemorandaSWT$ sudo sh MemorandaSWT.sh
[07:43] <pierre_> /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01/bin/java -cp :./build/*.jar:./lib/*.jar:./lib/gtk/*.jar:./lib/jface/*.jar -Djava.library.path=./lib/gtk net.sf.memoranda.ui.swt.AppMain ''
[07:43] <pierre_> MemorandaSWT.sh: line 22: /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_01/bin/java: No such file or directory
[07:43] <DaSkreech> maryen: Interested in helping out?
[07:44] <pierre_> ups sorry :-)
[07:44] <maryen> you need to run sudo apt-get install zsnes mike_
[07:44] <maryen> sudo gives you admin priveledges
[07:44] <Jucato> mike__: "sudo apt-get install <packagename>"
[07:44] <mike__> k will try
[07:44] <pierre_> i always get that message ... how can i solve that problem? cause java is installed and working fine...
[07:44] <maryen> daskreech: i don't know how to program
[07:45] <DaSkreech> I don't recall seeing anything about that in my question :)
[07:45] <maryen> well ya i am
[07:45] <Jucato> contribute/help out != programming
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Preach Jucato!!
[07:45] <Jucato> :P
[07:45] <Jucato> no I'm not in a preachy mood today heh
[07:46] <Cyraq> http://tinyurl.com/h4q5b and http://tinyurl.com/hjcjs - please help me decide everyone
[07:46] <pierre_> please anyone help me with that problem : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25884/
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Well there are tow things needed to get this back up. one is the original authour whom I'm trying to work on and the otehr is public outcry :)
[07:46] <arunkale> man, i really need to use internet radio.. and i found this great app, but unfortunately it requires Java and Tomcat, and Dreamhost doesn't allow for servlets to be installed
[07:46] <Jucato> wow so many links to click!!
[07:47] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you're trying to work on the original author?
[07:47] <unix_infidel> arunkale: bebo?
[07:47] <maryen> public outcry
[07:47] <DaSkreech> Yeah he's very shrewd about hiding who he is and any reference to get in contact with him but I think I've tickled the surface
[07:47] <DaSkreech>  still hasn't responded to me though
[07:48] <DaSkreech> He's still working on open source stuff just shifted interests
[07:48] <maryen> ah
[07:48] <pierre_> come on:-) small help for me
[07:48] <DaSkreech> I wouldn't mind a set of good docs though to start going and a blessing from him
[07:48] <arunkale> bebo?
[07:48] <Jucato> pierre_: what version of Java did you install? Sun Java?
[07:48] <DaSkreech> maryen: Got a blog?
[07:49] <pierre_> japp
[07:49] <maryen> nope
[07:49] <DaSkreech> http://blog.case.edu/bmb12/2005/07/knoware_interface
[07:49] <Jucato> pierre_: japp?
[07:49] <pierre_> yes
[07:49] <Jucato> aah
[07:49] <pierre_> hehe sorry
[07:49] <Jucato> pierre_: did you follow the step to set the Default Java version?
[07:49] <arunkale> unix_infidel: what's bebo
[07:49] <pierre_> hm i guess not :-)
[07:50] <unix_infidel> nevermind, misread.
[07:50] <Jucato> pierre_: do that (it's in the Java wiki)
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Of course the funn thing is that Edgy has a optional hardware database :)
[07:50] <DaSkreech> which plays right into Knoware's hand
[07:50] <Manyfold> i get no sound from amarok and kaffeine system sounds work
[07:50] <DaSkreech>  which plays right in to KDE's hand :)
[07:50] <maryen> i was about to say that
[07:50] <Jucato> DaSkreech: well, it's not optional in the sense that it's installed by default :P
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Jucato: No it's optional the way knoware is optional
[07:50] <Manyfold> also glx is extremely slow
[07:50] <Jucato> Manyfold: trying to play MP3's?
[07:51] <Manyfold> yes and dvb
[07:51] <DaSkreech> You choose to add your specs to the global knowledge
[07:51] <maryen> the hardware database could give you a list of reported problems and solutions to your hardware
[07:51] <Manyfold> i get the tv image but not the sound
[07:51] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yeah I know that part :)
[07:51] <arunkale> anyone know any good internet radio/streaming solutions for linux? something where i can just stream songs from my server?
[07:51] <Jucato> Manyfold: you need to install libxine-extracodecs for MP3 playback
[07:51] <Jucato> !mp3 > Manyfold
[07:51] <pierre_> Jucato - alright , try to find
[07:52] <Jucato> !java > pierre_
[07:52] <Manyfold> Paket libxine-extracodecs ist nicht verfgbar, wird aber von einem anderen
[07:52] <Manyfold> Paket referenziert. Das kann heien, dass das Paket fehlt, dass es veraltet
[07:52] <Manyfold> ist oder nur aus einer anderen Quelle verfgbar ist.
[07:52] <Manyfold> E: Paket libxine-extracodecs hat keinen Installationskandida
[07:52] <Jucato> Manyfold: you need to enable the multiverse repository
[07:52] <maryen> !ge
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <maryen> !german
[07:52] <Jucato> !multiverse
[07:52] <Manyfold> where can i find that packet?
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about german - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:53] <Jucato> Manyfold: follow that guide ^^^^
[07:53] <maryen> !de
[07:53] <Jucato> (Repositories/Kubuntu)
[07:53] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:53] <maryen> yay i did it!
[07:53] <Jucato> maryen: not really needed since he seems to be speaking fine english :)
[07:53] <maryen> :( dont take this away from me
[07:53] <Jucato> lol
[07:53] <Jucato> I'm cruel :P
[07:54] <maryen> hey jucato
[07:54] <arunkale> anyone? internet radio/streaming?
[07:54] <maryen> is there a module list you can alter for modules to be loaded at start?
[07:55] <flaccid> arunkale: what is your question?
[07:55] <maryen> amarok can do internet radio if i remember correctly
[07:55] <Jucato> maryen: modules? not sure. services, probably System Settings > System Services ?
[07:55] <DaSkreech> arunkale: Eh?
[07:56] <arunkale> i want to be able to store some files on a remote server, and have the play list repeat all through the day
[07:56] <maryen> i run ndiswrapper, and for some reason it didnt load this boot
[07:56] <DaSkreech> arunkale: You want to make a internet radio station?
[07:56] <arunkale> Yes
[07:56] <DaSkreech> !icecast
[07:56] <maryen> not a huge problem but a little inconvenient
[07:56] <flaccid> arunkale: icecast server
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icecast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <DaSkreech> !info icecast
[07:56] <ubotu> Package icecast does not exist in any distro I know
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Abh
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Bah
[07:56] <maryen> maybe it needs a snack
[07:56] <Jucato> maryen: you could probably try looking into System Services? not sure as I'm unfamiliar with ndiswrapper and modules...
[07:56] <DaSkreech> anyway icecast is what you are looking for
[07:56] <maryen> !botsnack
[07:56] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Ha ha hahahahahahaha
[07:57] <Jucato> !icecast2
[07:57] <ubotu> icecast2: Ogg Vorbis and MP3 streaming media server. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.1-2 (dapper), package size 256 kB, installed size 720 kB
[07:57] <maryen> lol
[07:57] <arunkale> I've heard Icecast requires commandline access?
[07:57] <maryen> eh
[07:57] <flaccid> arunkale: correct. but there are guis
[07:57] <arunkale> okay.. and i can use this from a remote server?
[07:57] <maryen> i probably updated something having to do with the kernel and it knocked it out of my modules
[07:58] <flaccid> arunkale: if you can run the process in shell
[07:58] <arunkale> will people need winamp/xmms to listen to it? or is there anyway i can embed a player in a pop up window?
[07:58] <Jucato> maryen: if you update the kernel, make sure that the linux-restricted-modules is updated/installed also
[07:58] <arunkale> flaccid: I dont think I have shell access
[07:58] <maryen> the module is running so its ok
[07:58] <flaccid> you can do .ogg and .mp3. client needs to support your stream format
[07:58] <pierre_> Jucato - i followed that steps, butgetting same message
[07:59] <flaccid> you can embed with web there is many ways
[07:59] <Jucato> hm... strange...
[08:00] <pierre_> :-(
[08:01] <pierre_> another idea what to do?
[08:01] <Jucato> sorry none... :(
[08:02] <pierre_> i think the Memoranda.sh included the wrong programm dir for java...
[08:02] <Jucato> probably
[08:03] <pierre_> look - here ... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25885/
[08:04] <Jucato> pierre_: I think the problem is that the .sh file is hardcoded to look for Java in a specific directory only
[08:05] <pierre_> anyway to install that program? :-(
[08:05] <Jucato> pierre_: just an experiment, you could edit that .sh file. make JAVA_PROGRAM_DIR point to where Sun Java is installed?
[08:05] <pierre_> i could try... how i know where my java is?
[08:07] <Jucato> pierre_: "update-alternatives --list java" and look for the line with "sun" in it. copy that line,  but only up to the "bin" word
[08:07] <Jucato> pierre_: on my system the path is /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/
[08:09] <omar> hi guys, do you know how to use rapidshare twise and repeatly without problem
[08:10] <pierre_> no sucess, but at least another message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25886/
[08:11] <maryen> nevermind, sound was stolen from my flash
[08:11] <maryen> damn adobemedia
[08:11] <Jucato> hm... I think I made a boo boo :)
[08:12] <pierre_> ?
[08:12] <Jucato> pierre_: I think you need to install JDK, not just JRE
[08:12] <Jucato> sun-java5-jdk
[08:12] <Jucato> err pierre_
[08:13] <Jucato> yeah you could try installing jdk and make the .sh file point to the jdk directory...
[08:13] <pierre_> hm ok i apt-get :-) lets se if it work aftewards
[08:13] <pierre_> oki doki i wil try that
[08:13] <Jucato> I hope so
[08:17] <wrabbit> DaSkreech: Hey again.  Installing now.  I assigned three partitions.  One for / one for /home and one for swap.  Is that correct?
[08:18] <Schalken> wrabbit: yes. just make sure the one far swap is of type 'linux swap' and the / and /home partitions are either of type 'reiserfs' and 'ext3' or other supported filesystem.
[08:18] <Schalken> for*
[08:18] <Schalken> or*
[08:18] <wrabbit> Schalken: I think they were set like that by default
[08:18] <Schalken> wrabbit: cool :D
[08:18] <wrabbit> If it doesn't work, I'll just try again.  I still have my lappy :)
[08:21] <Schalken> in kubuntu, does the ubuntiquity installer still use Gtk?
[08:22] <Schalken> ubuquity* (is it?)
[08:23] <wrabbit> Schalken: Looks like both filesystems are ReiserFS :
[08:23] <wrabbit> Swap partition just says filesystem: Memory Swap.  Is that bad?
[08:23] <Schalken> wrabbit: either reiserfs or ext3 will work. the default is normally ext3, im using reiserfs.
[08:24] <Schalken> wrabbit: no, as long as it works ;)
[08:24] <wrabbit> excellent :)
[08:24] <DaSkreech> wrabbit: Yeah
[08:25] <Schalken> other than kubuntu, what do you consider to be the best kde-based distro?
[08:25] <pierre_> someone of you using "krita" ?
[08:25] <wrabbit> Well I'd like to try slackware at some point.  That has KDE by default doesn't it?
[08:25] <pierre_> i cant find the option to "skew" a picture
[08:28] <axel> i think slackware is the best for server ,but ubuntu best for  home desktop + this very stable old debian engeine :)
[08:30] <Schalken> does kubuntu come with gimp?
[08:30] <Schalken> or only kde/qt apps?
[08:30] <pierre_> Schalken - as far i can see gimp is not included.. the kde "gimp" is "krita"
[08:30] <Schalken> pierre_: okay, is krita as good?
[08:31] <pierre_> i dont know... i use photoshop
[08:31] <axel> lol
[08:31] <Schalken> lol okay is it as good as photoshop?
[08:31] <pierre_> no - if so - i wouldnt use photoshop
[08:31] <pierre_> i guess its still in developing...
[08:32] <Schalken> yeah
[08:32] <Schalken> gimp is nice though
[08:32] <pierre_> didnt try gimp long time - big chances happend :-) ?
[08:32] <Schalken> chances?
[08:33] <pierre_> :-) changes :-)
[08:33] <Schalken> oh
[08:33] <wrabbit> I'm gonna test this partition installation by reinstalling again :P  I've created /home/hi If it's there after this, I'm happy
[08:33] <Schalken> not sure but its definately in a powerful state
[08:33] <Schalken> (gimp i mean)
[08:34] <pierre_> maybe i should try out again
[08:35] <pierre_> its faster than photoshop -right?
[08:37] <arunkale> pierre_: get gimpshop
[08:37] <arunkale> it's gimp with an interface that's almost identical to photoshop
[08:38] <pierre_> ok i will try that one
[08:38] <pierre_> actually i am still downloading photoshop 7... its running with crossoveroffice... so i have time to try out gimp one more time
[08:38] <wrabbit> has anybody here tried a BSD?
[08:41] <pierre_> i have abig problem with stupid openoffice... all fonts are changed to 14Minutes font... and i cant change it back ...
[08:45] <flaccid_> where can i find the correct fstab entry for automount of an optical drive
[08:46] <unix_infidel> optical drive?
[08:46] <flaccid_> a dvd writer actually
[08:46] <unix_infidel> flaccid_: you must've irc'd into the past.
[08:46] <cvg> como configuto itc pasra inforchat
[08:46] <cvg> configuro
[08:47] <flaccid_> pardon
[08:47] <flaccid_> !cdrom
[08:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:47] <unix_infidel> flaccid_: its pretty much the same syntax for all drives
[08:47] <flaccid_> !cd
[08:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:48] <flaccid_> i got /dev/hdb       /media/cdrom1   auto            user,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid                                0       0
[08:48] <flaccid_> but then there is /dev/scd0      /media/cdrom0   iso9660,udf     user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid                              0       0
[08:49] <axel> ok i have like this:)   dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[08:49] <axel> and it works
[08:50] <flaccid_> ok
[08:50] <flaccid_> the auto one returns mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:50] <flaccid_> dunno how it got there
[08:50] <wrabbit> woo hoo! It worked :D
[08:53] <axel> u have 2 hda(windows) and hdb(pinguin) ,or only hda(linx) ,hdc for cd i have like this
[08:56] <axel> !ping
[08:56] <ubotu> ping: connection timeout
[08:56] <unix_infidel> anyone know how i can go past the 10th window in xchat with the alt+num keybinds.
[08:57] <axel> i dont know i use konversation
[08:58] <axel> its very simple
[08:59] <axel> the most handy can by irssi but dont know all commands yet
[08:59] <unix_infidel> yea, i use irssi, but i'm limited to xchat at the moment.
[09:08] <AWOSDev> Please help me, I need to reinstall kdefilepicker but don't know which package to reinstall.
[09:08] <AWOSDev> Which package?
[09:10] <AWOSDev> My kdefilepicker is broke, it won't display half of the files in my folders.
[09:12] <DHGE> AWOSDev: try some other views, experiment with the pixel width (in options)
[09:12] <AWOSDev> I tried
[09:12] <pierre_> Jucato - how to find the location of my newley installed java5-jdk?
[09:12] <pierre_> Jucato - how to find the location of my newley installed java5-jdk?
[09:13] <Jucato> pierre_: it doesn't show up in update-alternatives ?
[09:13] <pierre_> /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1
[09:13] <pierre_> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[09:13] <pierre_> no
[09:14] <AWOSDev> second one
[09:14] <pierre_> but thats not the jdk folder ... right?
[09:14] <Jucato> I don't think so. maybe there's a jdk folder under /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/ ?
[09:15] <DHGE> pierre_: locate is your friend
[09:15] <AWOSDev> locate jdk
[09:17] <pierre_> locate jdk gives me nothin
[09:18] <KDEfanboy> pierre did you install a jdk package?
[09:18] <AWOSDev> java5-jdk he says
[09:19] <pierre_> yes i made apt-get install java5-jdk
[09:19] <pierre_> and its finished
[09:19] <pierre_> :-)
[09:19] <pierre_> thanks
[09:21] <KDEfanboy> pierre find the app in adept, click details -> installed files
[09:21] <KDEfanboy> or dpkg -L <package>
[09:21] <Jucato> that works too :)
[09:22] <pierre_> :-O
[09:22] <pierre_> not installed he said :-(
[09:22] <Jucato> ?
[09:22] <Jucato> ok that's just weird then
[09:22] <pierre_> i ake a look to adept
[09:24] <pierre_> should be /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06/bin
[09:25] <Jucato> for jdk?
[09:25] <pierre_> thats what i find in adept
[09:26] <Jucato> pierre_: try it
[09:29] <pierre_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25887/ :-((((((((((((((((((((
[09:30] <Jucato> um.. I'm now clueless... :(
[09:30] <pierre_> stupid ... thats the big problem with linux... its too hard sometimes
[09:30] <pierre_> even easy things doesnt work easy
[09:31] <Jucato> maybe the problem is with the package, not with Linux... oh well...
[09:31] <Jucato> sorry
[09:31] <pierre_> hihi
[09:31] <pierre_> Jucato - thanks for your help anyway
[09:34] <pierre_> how about taht message? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25888/
[09:38] <cox377> Hello all, i was playing a number of home made videos last night using Mplayer and tried vlc  , every time i opened a new video and the previous video was still running it just opens a new app and runs both videos @ the same time rather than just open the new video in the player already open, is there anyway to stop this as i've checked options and u soon have 10 players open
[09:57] <freewill> my keyboad gets dedected wronge how to i change this?
[09:58] <freewill> like if i press # i get  and i can't make a backslash....
[10:00] <abattoir> freewill: System Settings->Regional and Accessibility->Keyboard Layout
[10:00] <abattoir> freewill: you are running dapper, correct?
[10:00] <freewill> abattoir: yes
[10:01] <abattoir> freewill: ok, see if you can change your keyboard layout from there
[10:01] <abattoir> freewill: are you using US English, or another keyboard variation?
[10:03] <usux> kubuntu
[10:03] <usux> linux
[10:03] <usux> sux
[10:03] <freewill> abattoir: cool its working, i just clicked 'Enable keyboard layouts' and it set it automaticly to 104 us
[10:03] <abattoir> freewill: great :)
[10:03] <freewill> rolf usux uber nooblet
[10:03] <usux> i have been using da net for ova 10 years
[10:03] <usux> dumb azz
[10:03] <usux> noob
[10:04] <freewill> i have for 4 and what about it
[10:05] <freewill> abattoir: does Edgy Eft have xgl?
[10:05] <freewill> abattoir: its got x 7.1 though
[10:05] <abattoir> freewill: Compositing is enabled in Xorg by default
[10:05] <freewill> abattoir: cool
[10:05] <abattoir> freewill: i think its available in the repos, not sure as i dont use it
[10:06] <freewill> k thx
[10:06] <freewill> cheers
[10:06] <abattoir> :)
[10:15] <Ash-Fox> !ati
[10:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:16] <Manyfold> how can i tweak dhclient in a way that the interface only gets the address from the dhcpserver but not the nameserver?
[10:16] <Manyfold> at bootup
[10:25] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[10:26] <dinosaur-rus> I've tried http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/repairing-reiserfs-file-system-with-reiserfsck.html - no success, so I can forget about that data and enjoy Kubuntu (after it'll be downloaded and installed)
[10:38] <nathalie> Hello
[10:38] <nathalie> i have a problem
[10:38] <nathalie> my keayboard is being locked under a specific user
[10:38] <nathalie> in KDE
[10:38] <nathalie> can anyone help?
[10:40] <ViGGi> well, you could try #ubuntu channel and hope they won't kill u :P
[10:41] <nathalie> haha
[10:41] <nathalie> can no one help
[10:41] <nathalie> ?
[10:42] <nathalie> need help with kayboard lock problem
[10:42] <hsihh> hi. why only kubuntu works with my soundcard (integrated intel)? xubuntu and ubundu refuses to do so
[10:43] <nathalie> is there another chanel where i can try?
[10:43] <ViGGi> I can't even start kubuntu from the cd... yay..
[10:43] <hsihh> i thinked that kde, xfce and gnome are only guis, but kubuntu works much better with my hardware
[10:43] <Jucato> nathalie: you could try asking in the forums? http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:43] <dinosaur-rus> ViGGi: Kubuntu 6.10 for x64?
[10:44] <Jucato> or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/forums
[10:44] <ViGGi> nah 6.06 for i386
[10:44] <nathalie> thnx
[10:45] <zorglu_> ViGGi: is it a laptop ?
[10:45] <ViGGi> Nope
[10:45] <zorglu_> ViGGi: what happen when you try to boot
[10:45] <dinosaur-rus> ViGGi: I have the same problem with 64-bit 6.10... it loads at 1 attempt from 10
[10:45] <Jucato> hsihh: probably because KDE (kubuntu) and GNOME (ubuntu) use different sound engines?
[10:46] <zorglu_> ViGGi: btw try to put the nick of the personn you are talking to in your sentence, it make the communciation easier
[10:46] <zorglu_> dinosaur-rus: have you talked to #ubuntu+1 people about this ?
[10:48] <dinosaur-rus> zorglu_: it's Kubuntu, and I've talked about that yesterday
[10:48] <zorglu_> dinosaur-rus: yep but have you talked to #ubuntu+1 people about this ?
[10:49] <dinosaur-rus> zorglu_: so now I'm downloading the alternative CD, I hope there'll be less problems with it
[10:49] <dinosaur-rus> zorglu_: no
[10:49] <zorglu_> the #kubuntu channel is for 6.06, #ubuntu+1 is for edgy which is a developement version aka unstable :)
[10:49] <dinosaur-rus> zorglu_: ah ok
[10:49] <zorglu_> 6.06 is more stable
[10:49] <dinosaur-rus> :P
[10:50] <zorglu_> Jucato: about that, is there a way to determine the version whcih has been installed in a box, like cat /etc/REDHAT in redhat distribution
[10:51] <Jucato> zorglu_: "lsb_release -a"
[10:51] <zorglu_> thanks
[10:51] <Jucato> zorglu_: or "cat /etc/lsb-release" :)
[10:52] <zorglu_> cleaner that the usual cat /etc/REDHAT :)
[10:54] <hsihh> Jucato
[10:54] <Jucato> hsihh: huh?
[10:54] <hsihh> Jucato - and what about xfce?
[10:54] <Jucato> xfce uses the same sound engine as GNOME afaik...
[10:55] <Jucato> KDE uses aRts, GNOME/Xfce uses ESD.
[10:55] <flaccid> where are all messages shown on startup logged to?
[10:55] <zorglu_> flaccid: /var/log/messages or the 'dmesg' command
[10:55] <dinosaur-rus> flaccid: /var/syslog ?
[10:55] <Jucato> flaccid: type "dmseg" ?
[10:55] <Jucato> zorglu_ beat me to it :P
[10:55] <jason> hey in what directory should i put my win32 codecs
[10:56] <zorglu_> :)
[10:56] <Jucato> jason: anywhere, it doesn't matter since you'll be installing it
[10:56] <jason> the package must have used another directory other than the mplayer default
[10:56] <Torched> !wmv
[10:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:56] <Jucato> jason: ah I thought you were talking about w32codecs
[10:56] <flaccid> that doesn't seem to be all of em
[10:56] <jason> yes
[10:56] <jason> i downloaded them
[10:57] <flaccid> does it log the service starts with [ok] 
[10:57] <flaccid> which file is that
[10:57] <Jucato> jason: the w32codecs .deb file?
[10:57] <jason> no
[10:57] <jason> zip file
[10:57] <Jucato> ah that's a different thing.
[10:57] <jason> .deb?
[10:58] <jason> i have adept
[10:58] <dinosaur-rus> flaccid: look at the /var/logs/syslog, may be you'll find something there
[10:58] <jason> but i dont think the sources serve up w32codecs
[10:58] <flaccid> dinosaur-rus: yeah not there
[10:58] <zorglu_>  /usr/lib/codecs <- is where the .deb installed mine
[10:59] <jason> let me look
[10:59] <dinosaur-rus> flaccif: look other files in /var/logs
[10:59] <zorglu_> flaccid: as far as i know the [ok]  line are not logged
[10:59] <flaccid> dinosaur-rus: yeah can't seem to find it
[11:00] <jason> nosuch directory
[11:00] <dinosaur-rus> flaccid: may be /var/log? my brains are buggy a bit :))
[11:00] <flaccid> if i log into gnome and then logout, it hardcrashes
[11:01] <dinosaur-rus> flaccid: try #ubuntu channel
[11:02] <tomas_> hola
[11:02] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[11:03] <kay> how can i mount a nfts hd so that i can use it as user? when i am su i can look at it but not as user
[11:03] <zorglu_> !ntfs
[11:03] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[11:04] <dinosaur-rus> !mc
[11:04] <hsihh> Jucato - and what about video server? how is it in kubuntu and ubuntu?
[11:04] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 2073 kB, installed size 5952 kB
[11:04] <zorglu_> kay: look at the page, especially the 'user' option in the /etc/fstab
[11:04] <kay> zorglu_: THX!
[11:04] <dinosaur-rus> yeah I like mc :P
[11:06] <flaccid> which file contains default window manager for user?
[11:06] <jason> heres an easy 1 whats the command for copy?
[11:07] <zorglu_> jason: cp sourcefile destfile
[11:07] <jason> ty
[11:07] <zorglu_> jason: replace the name obviously :)
[11:07] <zorglu_> flaccid: this one is not trivial. you tried to do it with the kdm menu ? likely much easier that using file
[11:08] <flaccid> zorglu_: doing some troubleshooting
[11:08] <kay> ok thx for help but i need to know how i can give the hda1 (nfts) to the users? i can mount it and look at it but only as superuser
[11:09] <zorglu_> else the option is buried in the x startup, somewhere in startx, ~/.xsessions and such, i dunno where exactly, flaccid
[11:09] <flaccid> ok i'll google
[11:09] <dinosaur-rus> kay: there're "nouser" and "umask" parameters
[11:09] <kay> dinosaur-rus: what does this mean?
[11:10] <dinosaur-rus> kay: look "man fstab" and "man mount" for details
[11:10] <kay> k
[11:10] <kay> thx
[11:11] <flaccid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81431
[11:11] <flaccid> ^^^ typical ubuntu situation
[11:12] <flaccid> there is a bug, solution is always to reconfugure instead of manually editing the required file
[11:12] <flaccid> seems quite common people doing sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop on top of kubuntu and running into this
[11:20] <zorglu_> noted
[11:21] <zorglu_> flaccid: note the date of the thread tho, it it oct/2005 for 5.10
[11:22] <flaccid> zorglu_: thats even worse
[11:22] <flaccid> nothing done
[11:23] <zorglu_> or the same bug cames back to life
[11:23] <zorglu_> flaccid: is the fix working ?
[11:23] <flaccid> no
[11:24] <flaccid> i hate reconfigure fixes. why loose your existing config?
[11:24] <zorglu_> i understand your point
[11:25] <flaccid> its just things like this
[11:25] <flaccid> is why i swapped from fedora
[11:26] <flaccid> doesn't seem like many distros have the abstraction between x components set very stable
[11:26] <zorglu_> well X is complex and old. so we have to handle the compatibility
[11:27] <flaccid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81431
[11:27] <flaccid> i disagree
[11:27] <flaccid> its not really that complex at all
[11:27] <flaccid> in this case its conflict with what kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop do
[11:27] <zorglu_> i guess we have a very different view of complexity :)
[11:28] <zorglu_> ah ok, yes what you try to do should not break anything
[11:28] <flaccid> is the only way to install a working gnome by install ubuntu-desktop?
[11:28] <flaccid> but it does..
[11:28] <zorglu_> hence it is a bug :)
[11:29] <flaccid> not that its a solution. its an ignorant assumption.
[11:29] <flaccid> looks like lots of people reporting the problem but no one fixing it
[11:29] <flaccid> and because ubuntu is more desktop oriented, its hard to find out what the actual file where a config is stored
[11:30] <flaccid> intead you get a dpkg-reconfigure 'solution'
[11:30] <zorglu_> yep software are not perfect
[11:30] <flaccid> its coz like there are more desktop users in the community
[11:30] <flaccid> need more nitty gritty users to solve problems like this
[11:31] <flaccid> like i still can't find how kubuntu handles default window manager with xinitrc
[11:31] <zorglu_> yep always a tradeoff, either you are easy to use so hide the complexity from the users, or you dont
[11:31] <zorglu_> if the complexity is hidden, less people knows how to fix it
[11:32] <zorglu_> but you get a lot more users
[11:32] <flaccid> both can be done
[11:32] <flaccid> like more available documentation would help
[11:32] <zorglu_> to expose the complexity and remain easy to use is possible but require a large coherent community :)
[11:33] <flaccid> there would have to be some..
[11:33] <flaccid> i thought thats what this is
[11:34] <flaccid> i guess i'm looking for documentation on kubuntu's structure
[11:34] <flaccid> it would have to exist?
[11:35] <zorglu_> depend on what you are looking for
[11:36] <zorglu_> if i were you, i would look at the x startup documentation
[11:36] <flaccid> oh cool where is that
[11:36] <zorglu_> then parse the various/multiple config file
[11:36] <zorglu_> then fix
[11:36] <zorglu_> somewhere in the web :) and not easy to find would be my guess
[11:36] <zorglu_> or you could report the bug and talk to people who may know in kubuntu
[11:37] <flaccid> rightio, then how did you know it existed?
[11:37] <zorglu_> it would be faster and benefit to the whole community
[11:37] <zorglu_> it = ?/
[11:38] <flaccid> bbl
[11:50] <Lechero> someone has wath "it crowd" :) i am wathing it and is the best geek videos that i have never seen lol lol
[11:50] <sorush20> hi
[11:51] <promethevs_> hey, anyone know when a bug in amarok xine engine will be fixed?
[11:51] <sorush20> I keep getting a blue box like this on fgl_glxgears
[11:51] <sorush20> http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7507/pantallazopbufferglxgears6tk.png
[11:51] <sorush20> promethevs_: what bug?
[11:51] <promethevs_> it is almost a 2 months since amarok cant play flac files
[11:51] <Lechero> this bug have been reported?
[11:52] <Lechero> may to be license problems
[11:52] <promethevs_> i don't know
[11:52] <promethevs_> flac is open source
[11:52] <zorglu_> look in launchpad to find if it has been reported, else fill it
[11:53] <zorglu_> if it is reported you can follow the progression on the work made on it
[11:54] <promethevs_> ive find a workaround (downgrade libxine-main with 3rdparty patch) but update notifier notifies of newer (broken) version
[11:54] <Lechero> sorush20: are you spanish?
[11:55] <zorglu_> promethevs_: this is important information, be sure to include this in the bug report
[11:56] <thygrrr> Hi, what's this "Kernel Build Environment" that the ATI fglrx drivers need. Apparently the current version of the driver doesn't have a precompiled module for my current kernel.
[11:57] <Lechero> you could get the source of you linux-image with apt-get source linux-image-x.y.z-386 and then apply the path and then do a make modules_prepare and then compile the ati drivers
[11:57] <promethevs_> this problem is discussed here for at least four months http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=210683
[11:57] <Flosoft> hey
[11:58] <Flosoft> does any use mutella?
[11:59] <hsihh> hi. who will get the kubuntu ico from cd,and post it on internet for me, in http://www.megaupload.com/ in example?
[12:00] <Lechero> why do you want to do that? kubuntu can be downloaded from kubuntu.org directly
[12:00] <hsihh> i`m downloading the iso, but need the ico now, and i can`t find it on google
[12:00] <trappist> wget http://kubuntu.org/favicon.ico
[12:01] <trappist> ico?
[12:01] <trappist> an ico file is just an icon
[12:01] <zorglu_> hsihh: what is this ico you are talking about
[12:01] <Lechero> ico = icon or you want to say iso?
[12:02] <promethevs_> where i can see/add a bug?
[12:02] <zorglu_> https://launchpad.net/malone <- promethevs_
[12:03] <trappist> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu
[12:03] <Lechero> promethevs_: if you enter on the amarok oficial web page there are a section for submit bugs
[12:03] <Ademan> what files do the power saving settings get installed to?
[12:04] <Ademan> saved to*
[12:04] <PiR> hello
[12:04] <Ademan> i guess i'm getting tired
[12:04] <Lechero> someone know if is truth the rumor that ubuntu edgy dont will be sent free to you home?
[12:04] <Ademan> don't will?
[12:04] <flaccid> yay windows key shortcuts no longer work form e
[12:05] <Lechero> or wont :) i dont speak english like i could to speak it
[12:05] <PiR> when i update with adept, it can't to update a macromedia flash package
[12:05] <promethevs_> thanx for link
[12:05] <Ademan> Lechero: I haven't heard that, Why would they stop sending them out?
[12:05] <PiR> how can i solve this problem ?
[12:05] <Ademan> They've done it for a long time now
[12:06] <hsihh> i`m searching for kubuntu version of this icon: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OWGGFHW2
[12:06] <Ademan> PiR: well for one don't use adept, its got tons of known problems
[12:06] <Lechero> Ademan: i have read that on dig at least 2 month ago
[12:06] <Ademan> either use the commadn line or Synaptic
[12:06] <hsihh> zorglu_ ^
[12:06] <promethevs_> this is xine related bug, and someone reported this already
[12:06] <Ademan> Lechero: anyone can submit any news about anything on digg :-)
[12:06] <PiR> ok Ademan
[12:06] <zorglu_> hsihh: this link just provide me a bunch of ads, but nothing else
[12:07] <zorglu_> !flash
[12:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:07] <zorglu_> PiR: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats#head-c268ba69c6b38af1dc31ea09701c7d296cf971c3 in particular
[12:08] <Lechero> yes but is true that on the other version you could to submit cd request at least 1 month before the oficial realease, and there arent possibbly to submit cds of edgy yet
[12:08] <Ademan> where do KDE power saving settings get saved to?
[12:09] <zorglu_> http://everythingelse.wordpress.com/2006/09/20/shipit-will-not-take-orders-for-edgy-eft/ <- about shipit and edgy
[12:09] <Ademan> zorglu_: well... maybe thats because edgy isnt released yet?
[12:09] <zorglu_> Ademan: apparently it is more because edgy is a developement release
[12:10] <zorglu_> Ademan: dapper being the stable one
[12:10] <Ademan> ah
[12:10] <Ademan> interesting
[12:10] <Ademan> if there's any better hardware support in edgy though... that would be nice...
[12:11] <zorglu_> anything which is dimmed stable in edgy will be backported to dapper
[12:11] <Ademan> zorglu_: but what about people who can't even INSTALL dapper because of hardware issues? (i don't know if that happens, but in theory it could right?)
[12:12] <zorglu_> Ademan: if edgy is installable for them, they can either download edgy from the internet or wait to the change to be backported to dapper
[12:13] <zorglu_> i do understand the position of shipit on this, to spread a developement version to plain users is not a good idea
[12:13] <zorglu_> they may be mislead into thinking it is a stable one
[12:14] <Lechero> ubuntu may to have better suport for palms devices, now work but the sync is doing when kpilot want and not when you want :)
[12:15] <zorglu_> talk to kpilot dev about this
[12:15] <zorglu_> one of the hard part with open source is to find the one responsible for a task :)
[12:15] <zorglu_> there is a #kpilot channel :)
[12:16] <flaccid> i wish dapper was more stable :)
[12:17] <Lechero> the problem isnt from kpilot, it seem to be a kernel problem, or a system problem. Because the problem is that when you plug the first time the palm the system create /dev/pilot, but when you push the sync buton again it create another /dev/pilot-1 device, and then a /dev/pilot-2... etc... :)
[12:17] <thygrrr> How do I turn off password storing in Konqueror?
[12:17] <thygrrr> (e.g. for web site logins)
[12:17] <Lechero> and if you configure kpilot for use /dev/pilot only work the first time the you push sync button lol
[12:18] <hsihh> zorglu_ http://38.119.88.48/a753fd6dca17e7d90c3363be5a8276e8/other/ubuntu.ico kubuntu version of this
[12:19] <zorglu_> hsihh: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork <- may be of interest
[12:20] <flaccid> another dismal bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/control-center/+bug/12153
[12:21] <Lechero> see you later
[12:21] <zorglu_> flaccid: like old thread hey :) i use the window key as modifier key on my box
[12:22] <flaccid> another old bug that has carried through the distro versions. read the last threads..
[12:23] <flaccid> i don't even know what a modifier key is
[12:23] <hsihh> zorglu_ thanks
[12:23] <zorglu_> flaccid: it is window key + some other key, in this case the window key is a modifier key
[12:24] <zorglu_> flaccid: because you add it to some other key
[12:24] <flaccid> usually for adding those symbols to chars
[12:24] <flaccid> i know what you mean
[12:24] <flaccid> doesn't help the bug however
[12:25] <flaccid> its like 2 major bugs in one day
[12:25] <flaccid> for me
[12:27] <thygrrr> Which kernel version would you suggest for ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version 8.29.6 ? During installation, it says it has no matching precompiled module, and I think I want to avoid compiling a new one (mostly because I have no damn clue what to get).
[12:29] <keelbill> hi any of you knows a how to for kbuntu edgy + nvidia beta drivers and beryl?
[12:30] <Lechero> hi again
[12:31] <thygrrr> Lechero: What did you mean earlier by "apply the path" with regard to the linux kernel sources.
[12:32] <Lechero> i meant to do a path -p1 ../file.diff for apply the differences that have the ubuntu kernel binaries
[12:32] <flaccid> who else has had problems with ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed?
[12:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> sorry? if i am using dhclient as a daemon and i want to renew the lease, what do i have to do? since if i call again sudo dhclient eht1, the result is that another dhcpclient process is added to the process tree.... can you give me any suggestion? basically i'd like to have a refresh function, like the one that is used in MS windows
[12:34] <flaccid> lol another bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kcontrol-autostart/+bug/49859
[12:34] <oheard> ``Replacing the venerable Gnopernicus is the new Orca, a scriptable screenreader for the GNOME desktop. Expect some great things from this in the coming months and years. Best of all, it is written in Ubuntu's favourite language, Python." <-= shouldn't that read ``Best of all, it is written in Mark Shuttleworth's favorite language, Python."? xD
[12:35] <Lechero> OpenBSD, one bug in 15 years, Ubuntu 1 bug per seconds :)
[12:35] <thygrrr> Lachero: oook. path... I guess you meant patch.
[12:35] <octan> hi all
[12:36] <Bazzi> Lechero: openbsd is not on crack like ubuntu though ;)
[12:36] <thygrrr> Lechero: apt said dpkg-source: applying ./linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-27.48.diff.gz , so I guess it applied it already.
[12:36] <oheard> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Beta <-= why is that all about Ubuntu? Where can I find info about Kubuntu Edgy? -_-
[12:36] <Lechero> thygrrr: sorry, maybe i fail on writting "path" but my english is really bad :)
[12:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !edgy
[12:36] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[12:36] <thygrrr> Lechero: No problem, thanks :D
[12:37] <jan_> i someone here familiar with Oracle?
[12:37] <Lechero> jan_ a lot of, i use it on my university :)
[12:38] <jan_> yeah, but can you tell me how to install it on Kubuntu? i'm quite new on this al
[12:38] <octan> how do i tell which order the modules are loaded? i have a pvr 500 card,, it has video0 and video1 and i have a webcam /dev/video2 however.. when i restart my pc my webcam comes on video0 i cant have it there,, how can i tell it to be video2, or tell it to be loaded after the ivtv module ? my webcam uses the spca5xx module
[12:39] <Lechero> now sorry i have never install Oracle :( But Oracle interfaces are java, it may to be similar that in Windows
[12:39] <tmdx120> identify 5percent
[12:39] <zorglu_> tmdx120: time to change your password, btw konversation make it easy to do that autoamtically and avoid this to happen in the future
[12:40] <tmdx120> zorglu_: how do I do that?
[12:40] <zorglu_> tmdx120: i think i alread seen your password on this channel :)
[12:40] <jan_> what is a "debian package "?
[12:40] <tmdx120> zorglu_: I have benn having a heck of a time!  LOL! how do I change it?
[12:40] <jan_> i mean
[12:40] <jan_> how do i install it
[12:41] <zorglu_> tmdx120: setting -> identity -> auto identify
[12:41] <jan_> i just cant figure out this linux-stuff :$
[12:41] <thygrrr> tmdx120, at least it's not 50cent
[12:41] <Lechero> jan_ a debian package is a program in a .deb file, and you can install it with dpkg -i file.deb
[12:41] <tmdx120> thygrrr: ROTFLOL
[12:41] <zorglu_> jan_: it is a package made for the debian distribution. aka not for the kubuntu one
[12:42] <CarD> I would like start install of windows xp on qemu.... What command for this?
[12:42] <zorglu_> !qemu
[12:42] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[12:42] <CarD> (sorry for my english)
[12:42] <CarD> roh :)
[12:42] <Lechero> CarD: your english is better that my english :)
[12:42] <zorglu_> CarD: i did it without success, fun to look at :)
[12:42] <zorglu_> without= WITH
[12:43] <zorglu_> i keep doing this kind of bad typo :(
[12:43] <CarD> tx :)
[12:44] <Lechero> i think that i may to read more books in english for write correctly here :)
[12:44] <CarD> roh :)
[12:44] <CarD> good boy qemu :)
[12:44] <Lechero> i learned english reading Harry Potter lol lol
[12:45] <tmdx120> zorglu_: Should I take it off autoidentify?
[12:45] <zorglu_> tmdx120: i dont understand what you mean
[12:45] <CarD> hum i would like media:/hda1 for my install... how can choice this partition?
[12:45] <tmdx120> zorglu_: right now it has my nick and password in the auto identify.
[12:46] <zorglu_> you put nickserv in the service and your password <- tmdx120
[12:46] <zorglu_> tmdx120: ah ok, nope the 'service' is nickserv
[12:46] <zorglu_> !identify
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about identify - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <zorglu_> !register
[12:46] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[12:46] <zorglu_> tmdx120: the above link explains it
[12:46] <hyper> !german
[12:46] <hyper> !de
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about german - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:47] <sorush20> Lechero: no I not spanish..
[12:47] <sorush20> Lechero: why do you ask?
[12:47] <Lechero> sorush20: i thought it because the name of the capture is *pantallazo* and "pantallazo" is spanish :)
[12:48] <Lechero> pantallazo in spanish is screenshot in english
[12:48] <zorglu_> my guess is indian :)
[12:48] <sorush20> Lechero: no I ont
[12:49] <sorush20> zorglu_: close.. iranian.. I just haveing some uranium for tea..
[12:49] <zorglu_> not that close :)
[12:49] <Lechero> i think that usa have more uranium that all the other countrys :)
[12:50] <pexi> someone knows why fglrx not run with kubuntu now??
[12:50] <sorush20> uranium is no less expensive than oil.. http://www.uxc.com/review/uxc_Prices.aspx
[12:51] <pexi> i don't know why but i have to type modprobe fglrx and reboot the X
[12:51] <Lechero> i'll bye uranium for my car this afternoon :)
[12:51] <CarD> aiglx on SIS graphic card... It's possible?
[12:51] <Lechero> bye = BUY
[12:52] <zorglu_> CarD: #ubuntu-xgl may have more info on that
[12:52] <hyper> hello abattoir :)
[12:53] <CarD> k tx
[12:53] <jan_> i get an error installing OracleXE:
[12:53] <jan_> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of oracle-xe:
[12:53] <jan_>  oracle-xe depends on libaio (>= 0.3.96) | libaio1 (>= 0.3.96); however:
[12:53] <jan_>   Package libaio is not installed.
[12:53] <jan_>   Package libaio1 is not installed.
[12:53] <jan_> dpkg: error processing oracle-xe (--install):
[12:53] <jan_>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[12:53] <jan_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:53] <jan_>  oracle-xe
[12:53] <octan> OK Guys,, whrere does the modules get loaded from ? it aint /etc/modules because it got more modules running than listed in that file
[12:53] <zorglu_> !pastbin > jan_
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <Lechero> fucking kde wallet... is the worse idea of the world, is allways fucking me
[12:54] <zorglu_> jan_: please use pastebin in the future
[12:54] <MenZa> !language
[12:54] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:54] <zorglu_> !pastebin > jan_
[12:54] <jan_> i'm sorry
[12:54] <Lechero> you must install libaio and libaio1 :)
[12:54] <tmdx120> zorglu_: thanks.
[12:55] <jan_> Lechero: where do i get these?
[12:55] <zorglu_> !info libaio
[12:55] <ubotu> Package libaio does not exist in any distro I know
[12:55] <zorglu_> !info libaio1
[12:55] <ubotu> libaio1: kernel aio access library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.104-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 5 kB, installed size 60 kB
[12:55] <Lechero> jan_: if you havent it on your souces maybe you could to use www.apt-get.com for search new sources
[12:56] <octan> whrer does the modules get loaded from ? if it aint from /etc/modules  where else??   because it got more modules running than listed in that file
[12:56] <jan_> i have libaio1 and libaio-dec
[12:56] <jan_> dev*
[12:56] <jan_> both install?
[12:56] <zorglu_> jan_: 'sudo apt-get install libaio1'
[12:56] <harmental> hi everybody...is it safe to upgrade to edgy....how do i do it?
[12:57] <octan> dont do it
[12:57] <Lechero> octan: kubunt detect hardware on the init and load the modules that he need automatic
[12:57] <zorglu_> harmental: edgy is a develpement version, do it if you want to help testing it
[12:57] <tmdx120> zorglu_: did it show that time?
[12:57] <zorglu_> tmdx120: nope :)
[12:57] <zorglu_> tmdx120 is an identified user. <- and it worked :)
[12:58] <octan> Lechero oh? so how can i tell which order to load the modules ?
[12:58] <tmdx120> zorglu_: THANKS!!! :)
[12:58] <Lechero> octan: if you want to creat a order you must to add the modules in your orden on /etc/modules
[12:58] <octan> Lechero, like i want ivtv module loaded before spca5xx module
[12:58] <harmental> zorglu_: ok..Thx...
[12:59] <tmdx120> Im having trouble with Kontact, can anyone help?
[12:59] <zorglu_> octan: you may try to play with /etc/modprove.d and /etc/modules
[12:59] <Lechero> octan: add ivtv on the first line of /etc/modules antd spca5xx on the last line
[01:00] <octan> Lechero, i just did that
[01:00] <octan> rebooting to test
[01:01] <Lechero> it is 13:01
[01:01] <Lechero> :)
[01:02] <tmdx120> if I have  a reported bug in a piece of software (Kontact) where do I go?
[01:02] <heinkel_111> you mean if you want to report a bug?
[01:02] <zorglu_> tmdx120: http://launchpad.net/malone
[01:03] <zorglu_> tmdx120: or http://bugs.kde.org it is kde related
[01:04] <heinkel_111> Kontact: i guess is probably KDE related?
[01:04] <zorglu_> yep if the bug is in kontact
[01:04] <heinkel_111> :)
[01:05] <zorglu_> always fun to find the proper place to report :)
[01:05] <Lechero> i always prefer reports bugs in the oficial page of the project
[01:05] <jan_> i'm told to
[01:05] <zorglu_> ok going to work, have fun :)
[01:06] <jan_> ou must run '/etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure' as the root user to configure the database.
[01:06] <jan_> how do i do this :s
[01:06] <Lechero> jan_: write /etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure in a console :)
[01:07] <Lechero> with sudo of course
[01:07] <octan> Lechero,
[01:07] <octan> that didnt work
[01:08] <Lechero> octan: what message say console to you
[01:09] <octan> Lechero, something is weird
[01:09] <octan> Lechero, i put spca5xx at the bottom
[01:09] <octan> now when i do did cat /etc/modules to check
[01:10] <octan> it isnt there
[01:10] <octan> but
[01:10] <octan> if i open the file with a editor its ther
[01:10] <Lechero> if you check dmesg can you find any error with the load of this module?
[01:11] <octan> i dont have errors
[01:11] <octan> i need to get ivtv to load firsr
[01:11] <octan> not spca5xx
[01:11] <Lechero> is rare
[01:12] <freewill> i can't update/intstall/... pkgs because if i go into adept then it tells me there is something using the db but i can't find out what
[01:12] <oheard> My HDD is going AOT, does anyone know a free alternative to western digitals diagnostic software?
[01:13] <Lechero> another option is add ivtv to /etc/modules and add spca5xx to the blacklist of modprobe and then create a script for load spca5xx on the system init. But this solution is the worse option :)
[01:13] <freewill> nothings runing in a window and if i press ctrl+esc then i don't know what all that stuff is but its not telling me adept is runing there
[01:17] <tk> Hawkwind: you around?
[01:17] <octan> Lechero, :(
[01:18] <freewill> octan: have you thought fo triying maxor's software
[01:18] <octan> ok so i put ivtv before spca5xx in /etc/modules. but still spca5xx loads first
[01:19] <octan> freeflying, whats that?
[01:20] <freewill> octan: when my maxtor 40gb went i could revive it for about 2 weeks and then it went finaly (just enough time to back my stuff up)
[01:20] <freewill> octan: recovering app
[01:21] <Lechero> ?
[01:21] <freewill> octan: i can't remember its name though :p it was a few years back
[01:21] <octan> freeflying, ? what does that have to do with me?
[01:21] <octan> *freewill,
[01:22] <freewill> octan: i thought u want a app to help ur hdd live
[01:22] <octan> lol
[01:22] <octan> no
[01:22] <octan> thats not my case
[01:22] <freewill> octan: do you just want a app that tells u stuff of ur hdd?
[01:23] <octan> freewill, no i want help figuring out why spca5xx module loads before ivtv module
[01:23] <freewill> octan: dangy
[01:23] <Lechero> octan: you must play with the blacklist and with with /etc/modules, i had the same proble with the mouse driver and usbhid and finally i have usbhid on the blacklist of modprobe and the driver mouse on the top of /etc/modules and usbhid on the botton, and i get load the mouse driver before with this
[01:24] <freewill> octan: this looks like gentoo :P
[01:24] <octan> Lechero, ok i'll try add spca5xx to the blacklist
[01:25] <freewill> i can't update/intstall/... pkgs because if i go into adept then it tells me there is something using the db but i can't find out what
[01:25] <Lechero> freewill: reboot
[01:26] <freewill> i have ...
[01:26] <freewill> Lechero: but it still tells me the same thing
[01:26] <freewill> Lechero: nothings runing in a window and if i press ctrl+esc then i don't know what all that stuff is but its not telling me adept is runing there
[01:27] <Lechero> use aptitude in console
[01:27] <freewill> Lechero: k
[01:27] <Lechero> sudo aptitude-update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:27] <freewill> Lechero: lol nice app
[01:29] <Lechero> :)
[01:29] <Werzi2001> hi@ll
[01:29] <Lechero> i have never use adept yet :)
[01:30] <Werzi2001> i am afraid about the security of my kubuntu-system
[01:30] <freewill> Lechero: do you just use aptitude?
[01:30] <oheard> Werzi2001: why?
[01:30] <Lechero> freewill: yes, aptitude and apt
[01:30] <Werzi2001> i have installed pptpconfig (i need it for work)
[01:31] <Werzi2001> and this program starts (sometimes)... but i didnt start it
[01:31] <Werzi2001> in the kde process list it says:
[01:31] <Werzi2001> pptpconfig thomas /usr/lib/php-pcntl/bin/php
[01:31] <Werzi2001> this php-thing makes me afraid
[01:32] <Werzi2001> is it possible that anyone starts this program using a php-hole?
[01:32] <oheard> No idea. :-)
[01:32] <Werzi2001> :/
[01:33] <octan>  Lechero thank you.. putting the module in the blacklist did the trick :D
[01:33] <nuku> Werzi2001: pptpconfig is written in php :p
[01:33] <Lechero> octan: work now ok?
[01:33] <Werzi2001> nuku: ok that makes sense ;)
[01:33] <octan> yea
[01:34] <octan> thanks man
[01:34] <Lechero> np
[01:34] <Werzi2001> thx
[01:34] <nuku> Werzi2001: you may have a look at kvpnc ..
[01:34] <nuku> it can handle most types of vpn connections including pptp
[01:35] <octan> Lechero, i was starting to worrie i had to reconfigure mythtv,. thats alot of work :P
[01:36] <benjamin> Anyone knows how i rename the NFS-icons on the desktop?
[01:36] <Lechero> i dont like mythtv :) it is like windows media center :)
[01:37] <Werzi2001> nuku: thx... i ll have a look at it :)
[01:37] <Bocian> who's from poland? :P
[01:37] <octan> Lechero, mythtv was like 10 years before winblows media center
[01:37] <Lechero> i am from spain :)
[01:38] <Bocian> hello x] 
[01:38] <freewill> i am form south AFRICA lol :P
[01:38] <Werzi2001> thx for your help... bye@ll
[01:38] <octan> im from the artic shit hole
[01:38] <octan> <-- norway :P
[01:38] <Lechero> freewill: south africa? you must to be the first in receive the ubuntu cds :)
[01:38] <Bocian> ;] 
[01:39] <freewill> octan is it cold there?
[01:39] <freewill> Lechero: yeah ;)
[01:39] <octan> freewill, is that a trick question :P
[01:39] <Lechero> ubuntu are been created in south africa, arent it?
[01:39] <benjamin> Well, here in sweden it it cold today :/
[01:39] <freewill> octan lol
[01:39] <octan> freewill, not so could at the moment.. only -2 deg celcius
[01:39] <Bocian> anyone play in enemy territory? :D i search clan players :)
[01:40] <Lechero> no, i play armageton
[01:40] <flaccid> !backup > flaccid
[01:40] <freewill> Lechero: i am not entirely sure but i think mark suttleworh strated/ are supporting it allot and his form here
[01:40] <Lechero> and FretsOnFire too
[01:40] <Bocian> yeah me to :PPP
[01:41] <Bocian> booring  ;/
[01:41] <freewill> octan: my gfx-card needs a new fan because its so warm here it overheats
[01:41] <ubuntu_> Polska ?
[01:41] <Lechero> freewill: i always read that mark is from south africa, and from the space, but that he live in south africa :)
[01:41] <Bocian> jasne :D
[01:41] <octan> freewill, lol
[01:41] <Bocian> czesciowo :P
[01:42] <ubuntu_> hey
[01:42] <ubuntu_> co to jest? IRC
[01:42] <ubuntu_> ?
[01:42] <Bocian> yes it is :D
[01:42] <Lechero> english please
[01:42] <freewill> Lechero: yeah first south-african if not african in space
[01:42] <Bocian> right ubuntu :D
[01:43] <ubuntu_> odpalilem Ubuntu z plyty i wcisnelem konversation
[01:43] <ubuntu_> czy Ubyntu mozna zainstalowac na HDD ?
[01:43] <Bocian> pisz na priv jak piszesz po polsku :D
[01:43] <ubuntu_> sorry
[01:43] <freewill> its bad i'm getting 67 celius if i play a while
[01:43] <ubuntu_> ok
[01:44] <Lechero> The people say that Johan Esburgo is a european city on Africa
[01:44] <freewill> lol how does that work
[01:44] <Bocian> aah pirv not working before register.. omfg ;/
[01:45] <freewill> i'm just going to get me a zalman cooler my fiend that lives in my streat got the same gfx card as me but his got a zalman cooler and his is avraging @ 44c
[01:45] <freewill> *street
[01:46] <Bocian> what's the polish-kubuntu irc adress?
[01:46] <fdoving> !pl
[01:46] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[01:46] <Bocian> ahh thx :D
[01:47] <Bocian> i never use irc ;] 
[01:47] <freewill> what are u using now??
[01:47] <Snake[Away] > Hey guys, can anyone link me to a good place to start learning how to build and distribute packages?
[01:48] <nuku> Snake[Away] :  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[01:48] <Bocian> now irc, my first time ;/
[01:48] <Snake[Away] > nuku: thanks
[01:48] <freewill> Bocian, what do you normaly use?
[01:49] <Bocian> c'ya all!
[01:49] <Arlington> wich is the best dvd/cd burning software for linux?
[01:49] <Bocian> normaly nothing :D
[01:49] <freewill> Bocian cheers
[01:49] <Bocian> c'ya
[01:49] <Snake[Away] > K3B is good alterato
[01:49] <Snake[Away] > oops
[01:49] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: K3B
[01:49] <Bocian> sorry a dont speak english :D
[01:50] <Arlington> nice. i saw that nero is availible for linux
[01:50] <Snake[Away] > its nothing like nero for windows
[01:50] <Snake[Away] > were rather....neglected
[01:50] <Arlington> ooo too bad... i'll try k3b then.
[01:51] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: !
[01:51] <Snake[Away] > :-D
[01:52] <Arlington> hmm is this  k3b embed in kubuntu or can i launch a window (like nero) i wanna make a bootable copy of a windush xp cd for a friend of mine...
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey Snake[Away] !
[01:52] <Snake[Away] > launch a window Arlington ?
[01:52] <Snake[Away] > Oh
[01:53] <nuku> Arlington: yes it is a "standalone" application if you mean that
[01:53] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: You just go to the start menu and run it, its its own app
[01:53] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: whatcha been up to?
[01:53] <Arlington> yes i meant that but can't find it in my start menu...
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : at work.  and you're clearly not away
[01:53] <Arlington> but adept says i have it installled...
[01:53] <nuku> Arlington: its under multimedia
[01:53] <Arlington> aaah. sorry didn't look hard enough.
[01:53] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: hehe I know, i'm getting ready to leave though, when I get home, im going to start learning how to build debs
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : yay :)  properly?
[01:54] <Snake[Away] > Think I could write down Ubuntu Member on a job application/college resume?
[01:54] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: yea, im trying for membership ;)
[01:54] <flaccid> looks like a lot of my problems may just be my hard  disk failing
[01:54] <Snake[Away] > so I gotta build up something
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : nice.  hehe, i fyou want
[01:54] <flaccid> which is bad, but at least ubuntu is not at fault
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : kubuntu or ubuntu membership?
[01:55] <Arlington> the cd i wan't to duplictae is bootable(windows install cd) how can i make sure the ne cd becomes bootable to?
[01:55] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: theres 2 now???
[01:55] <Snake[Away] > lol
[01:56] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: probly ubuntu, I havn't used KDE for a while thanks to XGL
[01:56] <Arlington> Snake[Away] : the cd i wan't to duplictae is bootable(windows install cd) how can i make sure the ne cd becomes bootable to?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : ahhh..
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : sure.  well, they're the same thing, decided by different people
[01:56] <Hobbsee> Snake[Away] : there's also edubuntu membership
[01:58] <Snake[Away] > Hobbsee: sheesh lol
[01:59] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: I believe when you select the iso, it automatically makes it bootable, just give me a moment to check though
[01:59] <Snake[Away] > !iso
[01:59] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[01:59] <Snake[Away] > GOD DAMN YOU ubotu
[02:00] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto follow that
[02:00] <Snake[Away] > (scroll down to Kubuntu, obviously)
[02:00] <Arlington> thanx. everyone in here are so kind to a linuxneewbie like me :-D thanx kubuntu communitiers!
[02:01] <Snake[Away] > hehe
[02:02] <Arlington> Snake[Away] : at first i was really intimitaded to make the leap of changing to  linux but now (a week into my linux life) i'am just so happy :-)
[02:03] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: I hope it stays that way ;-) (I myself am nearing my one year anniversary of the leap next month)
[02:04] <Arlington> Snake[Away] :  the only thing taht is bad is that the drivers for my printer dosn't work but that is propably because i havn't tried har enough :-D
[02:04] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: ive noticed printers are rather difficult to set up, I didnt want to put up with it so I didnt go near that one
[02:05] <Arlington> a tip is the turboprint driver but it costs 30 $ but works with nearly all printers as well as mine :-D
[02:06] <Snake[Away] > yea thats what I keep hearing, I bet that program makes a killing
[02:06] <tk> dont need to worry about printers until I can get my wifi working under linux :P (not in a huge hurry but it owuld be nice to have wen I fly out Monday)
[02:06] <nuku> turboprint is really good
[02:06] <Arlington> think so. first i installed that then installed canon own driver and now none works so i guess i have to uninstall them in someway wich i havn't learned yet.
[02:07] <nuku> but it would be better if canon and so would just be so kind and release opensource drivers :)
[02:07] <Arlington> tk: what wifi card are you using or what is the problem. my wifi works perfect.
[02:07] <tk> Arlington: its a broadcomm internal, let me get the exact
[02:08] <tk> Arlington: eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"bungalo"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4306"
[02:08] <Arlington> because my usb stick is working perfectly
[02:09] <narasim_7> hi all
[02:09] <tk> Arlington: I havent really tried very hard to get it working... probably something stupidly simple, my stuff I needed for working from home kinda took precedence (I currently sit 1 ft away from my wifi router so... a cable sufficed :P)
[02:09] <Arlington> tk:  i expect that u have gone through the ubuntu wiki wifi
[02:09] <narasim_7> adept lacks some features of synaptic..
[02:10] <narasim_7> is there an equivalent program for kubuntu?
[02:10] <Arlington> hehe. have you checked the nertwork setting in the system menu?
[02:10] <Arlington> narasim_7:  synaptic is availible :-)
[02:10] <Arlington> tk:  i mean did kubuntu recognise your wifi card?
[02:11] <Snake[Away] > Arlington: broadcom chipsets cant work out of the box
[02:11] <Snake[Away] > unfortantly
[02:11] <narasim_7> Arlington: yes :D .... anyway thanks
[02:11] <tk> Arlington: I'm actually in the K'less version right now... but it sees my card
[02:12] <tk> just dont work :P
[02:12] <Arlington> and you have activated it?
[02:12] <tk> looking for hte wifi wiki now
[02:12] <Snake[Away] > alright im out
[02:12] <Snake[Away] > cya
[02:13] <Arlington> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29
[02:13] <Arlington> there are more if you go here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryDocumentation
[02:14] <Arlington> the whole wiki list. oftenly you can get very good help by searching the forums.
[02:16] <tk> wow, someone should fix this...
[02:16] <tk> Where FEFEFEFEFE is the WEP key in hexadecimal. Hexadecimel uses 0-F rather than 0-9 (This is base 16 with A representing 10 all the way up to F = 15 and then 10 representing 16.). This is the way all keys are specified. You should then be able to browse the web/ping. Not entirely sure but it seems sometimes you have to wait a minute or so for it to start working.
[02:16] <tk> 10 represents 16 in hex? there is no 16 in hex....
[02:17] <Arlington> u can change it :-)
[02:17] <Lechero> yes there are 16 in hex but 16 in hex is 22 in dec :)
[02:19] <Arlington> tk:  any success?
[02:19] <tk> there are 16, but "16" is not "10"  there is no "16" in hex 0-15 =your 16 choices.... 10-15 being A-F....
[02:19] <Arlington> sucess?
[02:19] <tk> Arlington: havent gotten that far yet :P lookin at 2 pages, the first not so helpful
[02:19] <Kimisch> good luck! :)
[02:20] <Arlington> tk: really hope that it helps :-) too bad if a wifi  problem should halt your linux life ;-)
[02:21] <Lechero> 16d = 0x10 = 10000b = 0x2o
[02:21] <flaccid> its a bad analogy of the base16 number system
[02:22] <Arlington> this hex talk is way above a simple law student like me :-D
[02:22] <flaccid> easiest way is base2 (decimal) goes to 10
[02:22] <flaccid> base16 goes to 0-9,a-f
[02:22] <flaccid> binary is base2
[02:22] <flaccid> 0-1
[02:23] <kraut> moin
[02:23] <flaccid> heh why am i thinking aloud
[02:23] <tk> Arlington: doesnt stop it, just makes me use windows when needing inet (or using a jack) while travelling
[02:23] <flaccid> err decimal is base10
[02:23] <tk> flaccid: congrats :P
[02:23] <Arlington> tk: the goal must be to make the total transition :-D
[02:24] <tk> Arlington: slowly getting there :P atleast now I have my windows web dev and my linux web dev all using the same paths now so my work is seamless between the two :P
[02:24] <boguh> which window decoration does kunbuntu use by default?
[02:25] <Arlington> tk: nice easier for me because my comp. usage only reach as far as internet and office use.
[02:25] <tk> havent found a good programming environment in linux yet though... nothing as simple as notepad++ (which I guess I chould keep using it in linux.... )
[02:25] <Lechero> 0xA  10d = 10010110b :)
[02:25] <tk> Arlington: heh, if I setup VMware... I could probably ditch it... but, VMware can be troublesme at times
[02:26] <Arlington> tk: there must be good software for programming?! i mean linux eing opensource and all ?
[02:26] <Arlington> *being
[02:26] <tk> Lechero:  are you doing hexidecimal multiplications? :P
[02:26] <Lechero> tk: is a multiplication of a hexidecimal and a decimal, and the result in binary :)
[02:27] <tk> Lechero: ahhh, I just assumed the A d b were Hex chars :P
[02:27] <Arlington> tk: Lechero: stop this hexadecimal things or i start dropping the EU commitment law's in here :-D
[02:28] <Lechero> no no, the d and b caracter at the end of a numbers show the base, and 0x is used for say that the number is hex
[02:28] <tk> Arlington: just a matter of finding something Im comfortable with (until recently i used notepad and wordpad and vi :P) so... slowly advancing up to modern tools :P I even installed Firebug for Firefox *huge step* :P
[02:28] <Arlington> what is firebug?
[02:28] <tk> Lechero: yah I knew the 0x is hex... but d and b are also hex chars so it was just a bad assumption :P
[02:29] <tk> Arlington: a nice web dev tool, lets you view the dom, hilight dom nodes, modify the pages dom elements, see javascript errors.... it makes debugging javascript and CSS stuff fairly easy :)
[02:29] <Lechero> no, B is a hex number but b isn't it, b is used for indicate that the digit is binary
[02:30] <Arlington> tk: aaah okay nice!
[02:30] <Lechero> at least in my university the profesor use this system
[02:30] <Arlington> can someone tip me about good direct connect software for linux?
[02:32] <tk> Lechero: your math looks wrong though... shouldnt it be 1100100b?
[02:33] <Lechero> tk yes, is wrong :) sorry lol
[02:33] <tk> I started writing it down cause i thought I did it wrong in my head
[02:34] <Lechero> i did the menthal operacion asuming A like F :) my brain is ofusqued
[02:35] <tk> sadly, I used to be able to do binary math in my head, but that was damn near.... 10 years ago
[02:35] <tk> aint used it since then :(
[02:36] <Arlington> hex math guys: does anybody of you have the possibility to tip mea bout a direct connect client?
[02:37] <Lechero> what do you mean with direct connection?
[02:37] <tk> there is... a DC++ for linux... (direct connect++)
[02:38] <tk> automatix has an install option for it I believe
[02:38] <Arlington> tk:  thanks
[02:39] <tk> np, aint used DC++ in yers... it sucked back then
[02:39] <Lechero> i was thinking in direct lynk connection using the pararell port :)
[02:39] <Arlington> haha
[02:39] <tk> Lechero: hehe, at first I thought directWay type stuff (dish internet :P)
[02:39] <Arlington> tk:  really depends on hub. i know nice ones.
[02:39] <Lechero> lol
[02:40] <Arlington> have to restart x. brb
[02:40] <Lechero> see you i go to eat, it is 14:40 here :)
[02:40] <tk> cya
[02:41] <tk> ugh, wput is slow as ....
[02:41] <tk> maybe I should have installed an ftp client
[02:42] <tk> Arlington: hubs didnt matter, it was the fact that back then you couldnt resume off another person who had the same file... had to start/finish with same person
[02:43] <tk> and you couldnt download parts from multiple people ala, limewire/kazaa/etc
[02:43] <Arlington> tk:  i remember :-D
[02:44] <Arlington> is it possible to create some sort of shortcut to media drives because i can't share my media library.
[02:44] <tk> and I didnt like that to get to a decent server you had to have bookoo's of files to share....
[02:44] <tk> shortcut, ln -s /path/to/file/or/folder /path/to/shortcut/file/or/folder
[02:45] <tk> back then I had like a 3.2gig HD :P so... I was limited in where I could go just by that fact
[02:47] <Arlington> tk explain much more specifik (linux user for one week ) :-)
[02:47] <Arlington> that sentence was to include a please :-)
[02:49] <tk> to create a shortcut use "ln" like so "ln -s ~/IwantAshortCutToThisFile /and/this/is/where/IwantIt
[02:49] <tk> morning soulrider
[02:50] <Arlington> tk. :-S
[02:50] <tk> that help Arlington?
[02:51] <soulrider> hey there
[02:51] <tk> in the process of setting up Gallery2 :)
[02:51] <soulrider> sweet! ;)
[02:52] <Arlington> the thing is it's notpossible in valknut(the dc software) to share other than the etc3 discs. and i have all my medifiles on a fat32 partition.
[02:52] <Arlington> therefor i wondered if it was possible to link to the fat32 partitionin some way.
[02:52] <tk> Arlington: why not? should be able to read from your disks i they are mounted and readable...
[02:53] <Arlington> yes i play from them but there is now ay to navigate further back then ... /
[02:53] <soulrider> is there any place where we can request features for edgy ?
[02:54] <Arlington> it was nothing i'am not used to mounted drives being folders under .../ i'am still partly stuck in windows regarding filesystmes.
[02:54] <tk> Arlington: how do you mean under ../?
[02:54] <Arlington> i just remembered that all things are files i linux world:-D
[02:55] <tk> Arlington: your Fat drives should be under /media/something right?
[02:55] <Arlington> with / i mean root folder.
[02:55] <Arlington> tk: i found them there... i thought i would find them like i do in windows like drives if you understand what i mean :-) not like folders.
[02:55] <tk> ohh
[02:56] <tk> yah, no C drive and D drive in linux :P
[02:56] <tk> ok screw gallery2 for now, I'll upload it with GFTP after rtebooting
[02:59] <mikal_> i want to install the nvidia legacy drivers (geforce ti 200). but yesterday i got only a black window and had to restart my computer. how can i switch at boot time to a login prompt?
[02:59] <|mikael|> to prevent a new install :)
[03:02] <|mikael|> no one there?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> !info ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts edgy
[03:02] <ubotu> ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts: BPG Georgian fonts. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2 (edgy), package size 295 kB, installed size 652 kB
[03:04] <GnarusLeo> using open-ssh server ... how you do a "sudo" if i remote ssh from another machine .. it wont take my password
[03:04] <GnarusLeo> do I need to set some privelegies?
[03:05] <tk> just got Beryl working :)
[03:05] <llevaneus> anybody know about Jmeter?
[03:06] <octan> GnarusLeo, ssh $(user-on-sshd-pc)@IP then just sudo.
[03:06] <llevaneus> hi, can you hel me?
[03:06] <llevaneus> help
[03:07] <octan> also check if ther is a sudousers in /etc /on the host pc
[03:07] <GnarusLeo> ah! the user I am remoting with is not a super user
[03:08] <Arlington> tk: wifi working
[03:08] <Arlington> ?
[03:08] <tk> Arlington: nah, got sidetracked with GLX stuff :)
[03:09] <Arlington> :-)
[03:09] <octan> GnarusLeo, you should disallow root login with ssh
[03:09] <octan> its not a good idea
[03:09] <tk> the effects of BEryl are pretty damn awesome :)
[03:09] <octan> just log in as a user , then su root
[03:09] <Arlington> glx for what driver?
[03:09] <tk> Arlington: nvidia
[03:10] <tk> octan: I dont think you can su root either, I believe you have to sudo -s dont you?
[03:10] <llevaneus> hi, anybody can help me?
[03:10] <octan> tk, you can su root
[03:10] <llevaneus> i need information about jmeter
[03:10] <octan> if ther is a root account
[03:10] <octan> with password
[03:10] <GnarusLeo> ok
[03:10] <octan> tk, i do it all the time
[03:11] <GnarusLeo> over to something else :) How do I know wich wireless adapter I have?
[03:11] <octan> look at it
[03:11] <kutan> I wish flashplayer didn't suck so much on linux.
[03:11] <octan> GnarusLeo, it most likely says what bran it is
[03:12] <fly> Hi, I've set up my xorg conf on "Clone" with 2 screens : LCD and TV
[03:13] <fly> everything works except my tv frequence doesn't seems to work :/
[03:13] <tk> octan: ahh for some reason I remember that not working before...
[03:13] <fly> any ideas what frenquences I should you use for my tv ?
[03:14] <octan> fly, E1 or E2 or E3
[03:14] <fly> what is E1, E2 , E3 ?
[03:14] <octan> channels
[03:15] <fly> I have no idea
[03:15] <octan> sure... the scart plug
[03:15] <fly> 	Option          "TVOutFormat" "COMPOSITE"
[03:15] <fly> 	Option		"TVStandard" "PAL-N"
[03:15] <tk> ack, that was weiird
[03:15] <fly> that's not what you asked ?
[03:15] <octan> it uses E1 or E2 or E3
[03:16] <octan> on your tv
[03:16] <octan> S video
[03:16] <octan> input
[03:16] <fly> E1
[03:16] <octan> fly, thouse are predifined channels
[03:16] <octan> erm.. frequnses
[03:16] <fly> I only have to channels
[03:16] <fly> I have the image
[03:17] <fly> it' sin color
[03:17] <fly> hold on, i'll get my dictionnary and find the exact word -_- (need translating)
[03:18] <fly> twinkling ?
[03:18] <octan> cant you just scan all the frequenses?
[03:18] <fly> I don't think you understood my problem
[03:19] <fly> my computer on Kubuntu has 2 screens (clone) , one is my LCD screen and the other is my tv
[03:19] <fly> everything works except there'a twinkling on my tv screen
[03:20] <octan> try to finetune the freq
[03:21] <fly> so I just put random freq until it works ?
[03:22] <GnarusLeo> root@kimmern-laptop:/home/kimmern# ifconfig eth1 up
[03:22] <GnarusLeo> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Timer expired
[03:22] <GnarusLeo> anyone seen this before?
[03:23] <Arlington> !cedega
[03:23] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on wine, aimed at running windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[03:23] <octan> fdly is it a old tv ?
[03:23] <octan> *fly
[03:23] <|mikael|> how can i switch to a prompt at boot up? if i upate my nvdia drivers i get only a black screen
[03:24] <|mikael|> is there any key-combination?
[03:24] <octan> alt F1
[03:24] <fly> aound 5/6 years old
[03:24] <|mikael|> octan: at boot ?
[03:24] <|mikael|> because i get only a black screen
[03:24] <ken> anybody? im having a problem with my ekiga. i try to call the 300 and 500 echo accounts but it just hangs up after a few rings. is it a problem on my part or are these accounts offline?
[03:24] <|mikael|> i see kubuntu booting up but it doesn't switch over to kde
[03:25] <octan> fly, you should have a tuning function in your tv,, somewher in the manus
[03:25] <fly> I don't , already check that
[03:25] <ken> anyone with an ekiga account i can have a test call with? thanks.
[03:25] <fly> or at least couldn't find it
[03:25] <octan> [wait a while.. then press Alt F1
[03:25] <fly> bbs (testing my new xorg.conf
[03:25] <fly> )
[03:25] <fly> thx octan
[03:26] <|mikael|> thx octan
[03:26] <octan> hmm.. did it work ?
[03:26] <KRaevel> is it possible to write to NTFS disks?
[03:26] <octan> no
[03:26] <octan> yes
[03:26] <octan> in windows
[03:26] <octan> :p
[03:27] <KRaevel> :-(
[03:27] <KRaevel> can i convert to another fs without losing the data?
[03:27] <octan> yes
[03:27] <KRaevel> yay
[03:27] <octan> thes a basick rule for that..
[03:27] <octan> backup you data to a cd|dvd or another partiton. the format :P
[03:28] <bubu1uk> octan: like ur sense of humour
[03:28] <KRaevel> right, unfortunately it's 200GB
[03:28] <hsihh> hello
[03:28] <bubu1uk> :p
[03:28] <octan> :)
[03:28] <bubu1uk> KRaevel: backup on external hdd. :p
[03:29] <hsihh> i run kubuntu on vmware player. after the next virtual-install there is no sound in kubuntu (on normal livecd mode there is sound). i made the exactly the same file (www.easyvmx.com). what`s wrong?
[03:29] <GnarusLeo> Is there a command for checking wich wireless adapter I have?
[03:30] <tk> GnarusLeo: yah one sec
[03:31] <KRaevel> bubu1uk: yeah i might just do that
[03:31] <GnarusLeo> ok, thanks tk
[03:32] <tk> GnarusLeo: "iwconfig |grep name"
[03:32] <tk> that will filter out the adapters "Nickname"
[03:32] <GnarusLeo> thanks
[03:35] <hsihh> one question: why do you use kubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[03:35] <octan> because we like KD
[03:35] <octan> E
[03:35] <GnarusLeo> root@kimmern-laptop:/home/kimmern# ifconfig eth1 up
[03:35] <GnarusLeo> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Timer expired
[03:35] <GnarusLeo> hm, tk, what do you make of this?
[03:37] <tk> I have no idea, I dont have my wifi working :P
[03:41] <kumsy> gnomefreak: need help in changing the display resolution in kubuntu
[03:42] <octan> GnarusLeo, pherphaps kwifimanager can help you
[03:42] <kumsy> octan: need help in changing the display resolution in kubuntu
[03:42] <bubu1uk> kumsy: control panel >> display
[03:42] <GnarusLeo> octan, nah .. Im using shell (kwifimanager just uses the commands I use anyways)
[03:42] <octan> alright
[03:43] <octan> ndiswarpper ?
[03:43] <GnarusLeo> maybe
[03:43] <GnarusLeo> ill try
[03:46] <kumsy> bubu1k: thank u
[03:47] <bubu1uk> kumsy: np
[03:48] <kumsy> bubu1k: but i wanna reduce the refresh rate for my monitor. but theres only one refresh rate for it specified(85 hz)
[03:48] <bubu1uk> kumsy: it might not support it then
[03:48] <bubu1uk> kumsy: not sure
[03:49] <who_knows_who_i_> hi, which package has a version of qmake that's 4.x.x? i installed the qt4 dev packages but my qmake is staill at a version 3.3.4
[03:50] <kumsy> anyone: i wanna reduce the refresh rate for my monitor. is there any way?
[03:50] <bubu1uk> kumsy: does ur monitor support it?
[03:50] <Arlington> anyone cunning in cedega?!
[03:50] <bubu1uk> cuz i have those options there, so i can do it. but dont have for example 85
[03:50] <bubu1uk> have less
[03:51] <kumsy> bubu1K: yes my monitor and chipset models are correctly specified in the control panel
[03:51] <bubu1uk> kumsy: ur monitor probably doesnt support it then.
[03:51] <bubu1uk> it even dependes on screen resolution i think.
[03:52] <bubu1uk> try lower, might be able to change it
[03:56] <M4X1MUM> how do i change the owner of a harddisk?
[03:57] <nomadsoul> hi i need to install openvpn but if i do apt-cache search openvpn i get no results
[03:57] <nomadsoul> can someone help me?
[03:58] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: did u try to search thru adept?
[03:58] <nomadsoul> mmm
[03:58] <nomadsoul> nope
[03:58] <nomadsoul> i'm working on ubuntu-server :P
[03:58] <M4X1MUM> how do i change the owner of a harddisk? anyone?
[03:58] <bubu1uk> just command line? or gnome??
[03:58] <nomadsoul> i was wondering if someone has a repository that contains openvpn :P
[03:59] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: command line, of course :P
[03:59] <bubu1uk> M4X1MUM: chown command
[03:59] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: sec
[04:00] <M4X1MUM> ok thanks
[04:00] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: sec?
[04:01] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: did u try just to install it?
[04:01] <bubu1uk> package is called openvpn
[04:01] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: mmm i was looking for some repository
[04:01] <nomadsoul> i don't think i have it in mine
[04:01] <bubu1uk> try universe repos then
[04:02] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: how can i enable it?
[04:02] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: what repos u have allowed?
[04:02] <Arlington> how do i use a .deb file? i know it's some kind of package but how do i unpack and install?
[04:02] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: wait i'll paste them
[04:02] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: dpkg -i file.deb
[04:03] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: i think i've found universe :P
[04:03] <BonBonTheJon> Arlington: you need sudo in front of it
[04:03] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: just uncomment those u want in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:04] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: yes, i've just seen that the source.list is well commented :P
[04:05] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: well, as default there are only main repos allowed i think
[04:05] <nomadsoul> bubu1uk: now, by using command line, if i want the openvpn service started at boottime, what i have to look for?
[04:05] <M4X1MUM> !automatix
[04:05] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://www.getautomatix.com/ ; For help with and discussion of automatix please join #automatix.
[04:06] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: ehm, not sure in ubuntu/kubuntu
[04:07] <bubu1uk> nomadsoul: try documentation
[04:07] <LecheroAway> hahahaha i recomend "it crowd" for all the people here, hahahaha
[04:11] <root> how can i prevent kubuntu from booting in kde (automatically)?
[04:11] <root> i want to stop it because kde doesn't work (the screen keeps black)
[04:12] <root> so if i press alt-f1 i can see what it is doing at boot up
[04:12] <root> but it doesn't help me - i need a prompt
[04:12] <conhe> TibiaPlayerLinux: X Server has no OpenGL extensions
[04:12] <conhe> =\
[04:12] <Arlington> is it possible to create virtualdrives in kubuntu?
[04:12] <Arlington> how do i do it?
[04:12] <root> no one who can answer me
[04:13] <conhe> !kernel
[04:13] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:13] <octan> Arlington, yes its posseble
[04:13] <octan> Arlington, look up man dd and make a iso file with it then mount it :)
[04:14] <conhe> TibiaPlayerLinux: X Server has no OpenGL extensions
[04:14] <Arlington> what did u mean?
[04:14] <octan> Arlington, example... dd if=/dev/zero of=/your.iso bs=256 count=4 will make a iso file on 1 MB
[04:15] <octan> then you mount that file like.. mount -o loop  your.iso /path
[04:15] <octan> mkfs.ext3 /path/your.iso
[04:16] <Arlington> is there any software like deamontools for windows to mount .isos
[04:17] <octan> mount -o loop
[04:17] <octan> for godsake. this aint windows.. if you need a gui tool.. make it yourself :P or stick to command line
[04:18] <magical_trevsky> hi, I have an "Mobile AMD Athlon XP 2000+" processor, and am using the 386 kernel at the moment.. would i notice any reasonable advantages (or disadvantages) in switching to the k7 kernel?
[04:18] <M4X1MUM> hmm yeah how to mound cd/dvd image in linux?
[04:18] <GnarusLeo> Makefile.inc:113: *** KERNELPATH: /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/build does not exist.  Stop.
[04:18] <octan> i have said it like 3 times now
[04:19] <GnarusLeo> hm ... from where do I get the build
[04:19] <octan> mount -o loop  your.iso /path
[04:19] <octan> mount -o loop  your.iso /path
[04:19] <octan> mount -o loop  your.iso /path
[04:19] <M4X1MUM> thats it? no need special software or anything like that?
[04:19] <octan>  thats it
[04:19] <M4X1MUM> wow
[04:20] <M4X1MUM> im starting to like linux
[04:21] <M4X1MUM> but what about the cd protection stuff?
[04:22] <gyhu> hi. what ubuntu distro is better supported?
[04:22] <marcus> hi anybody happen to know the shell command for myphpadmin off hand?
[04:23] <conhe> X Server has no OpenGL extensions what it?
[04:24] <octan> gyhu, dapper
[04:25] <M4X1MUM> how do can i share with windows network?
[04:25] <Lechero> M4X1MUM: use samba
[04:26] <M4X1MUM> ok
[04:28] <casper_> Anyone having problems getting ATI (9600) drivers to work on the latest Edgy/ kernel?
[04:29] <octan>  pls go to #ubuntu+1 for edgy
[04:29] <casper_> join #kubuntu+1
[04:29] <timinphx1> quit
[04:31] <Arlington> how do i mount a .bin file?
[04:31] <octan> convert it to iso
[04:31] <octan> !mount iso
[04:31] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.12r-4ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 149 kB, installed size 336 kB
[04:31] <octan> !iso
[04:31] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[04:31] <domibel> you can use bchunk
[04:32] <M4X1MUM> !cue
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <Lechero> that bot has a really big db
[04:32] <M4X1MUM> so you can't mount a bin/cue image?
[04:32] <conhe> !nvidia
[04:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:33] <domibel> bchunk - Converts BIN/CUE images to ISO 9660 tracks
[04:33] <Lechero> there are a application for convert .cue into .iso but i dont remember the name
[04:33] <Lechero> domibel: you win :)
[04:33] <simp> hello i have a problem with wifi if i try to connect it hangs up at 28% and after a while tells me that knetworkmanager has been dissconnected... my wifi network is secured with wpa1 tkip
[04:33] <M4X1MUM> .iso do not store the protection files, different from bin/cue
[04:34] <Lechero> simp: for conect to a wifi network you must to have at leas 60% for to have a normal session without cuts
[04:34] <Dr_willis> Im not even sure that bin/cue stores much.. isent that why  the Achol120% guys came out with MDF files.
[04:35] <simp> Lechero: i can see the wifi connection here as 80% but while connecting it hangs up at 28%
[04:35] <M4X1MUM> downloading samba!! lets hope it works
[04:36] <Lechero> simp: i had problems with knetworkmanager too, try with wifi-radar
[04:36] <simp> Lechero: thanks i'l try that
[04:36] <kg21> hi folx
[04:36] <nuku> which linux software has got cds with copy-protection anyway?! :)
[04:36] <kg21> i got a question
[04:36] <kg21> where can i download wordweb for kubuntu?
[04:37] <Dr_willis> nuku,  none that i have seen.. then again.. with the  programs out now for windows.. cd copy protection seems to work for about a week.. then someone crakcs it
[04:37] <Dr_willis> !wordweb
[04:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wordweb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <Dr_willis> kg21,  never heard of it.. wht is it.
[04:37] <simp> Dr_willis: it is usually less then a week but the harder ones take a week ;)
[04:38] <kg21> it's a english-english dictionary
[04:38] <Lechero> only 3 weeks for edgy... i feel really impacient
[04:38] <Hawkwind> tk: I am now, what's up ?
[04:39] <nuku> Dr_willis: sure copy protection is just to annoy honest customers anyway :)
[04:39] <Dr_willis> simp,  ive see the anti-copy protection hacks out befor the game is even released
[04:39] <Dr_willis> nuku,  i agree there - i basicially have given up on PC games
[04:39] <simp> thats true as well :)
[04:39] <Dr_willis> that and the prices are gone through the roof.. and otehr silly gimmics.
[04:39] <tk> Hawkwind: ahh nothing was setting up G2 :P but it dint go so well (slow uplink)
[04:39] <simp> Dr_willis: whats the point of buying them so :)
[04:40] <linuxbomb> is there a problem with kubuntu and blender? or is it python ? or is it that i'm a dumbass because when i run blender and use it there is some wierd behaviour going on
[04:40] <M4X1MUM> ooh yeah i forgot about that hahaha im only using linux for 3 days now
[04:40] <nuku> well the future lies in online games anyway.. so there is no need for low-level copy protection anymore :)
[04:40] <Dr_willis> nuku,  i saw yesterday if you Preordered the NeverWintersNight2 - you characters got a bonus weapon.. AND a discount at the Ingame merchants... But - thats.. basicially cheating. :)
[04:40] <simp> :D
[04:40] <Dr_willis> nuku,  too bad the MMORPGS online are so sad.
[04:41] <Lechero> you can play neverwinter on kubuntu?
[04:41] <Dr_willis> Second Life is Enteraining... and free... but then you realize the whole world is XXX/Porn/Stores Selling Ingame garbage.
[04:41] <Dr_willis> Lechero,  NWN has a Linux port - yes
[04:41] <tk> Hawkwind: and then my wife called, so I cant upload.... now just waiting on my phone to free up so I can upload with resume on to speed it along :)
[04:42] <Lechero> Dr_willis: but must to be original? or its possibly to play to the cracked version?
[04:42] <nuku> Dr_willis: true.. when its about money its about pr0n :/
[04:42] <Manyfold> i enable the nvidia module but glx is still slow with glxgears with framerates < 300
[04:43] <Manyfold> what cani do
[04:43] <Manyfold> ?
[04:43] <simp> Lechero: what is the wpa driver thingy what should i put there?
[04:43] <Lechero> i dont understand that
[04:44] <M4X1MUM> ok ive installed samba, now what?
[04:44] <M4X1MUM> how do i share and access windows network?
[04:44] <Lechero> M4X1MUM: now you must read a samba manual
[04:44] <linuxbomb> Lechero: good help
[04:45] <simp> Lechero: sorry i might be bad at explaining: if i go and edit/add a network... then there is this WPA tag... there is this place that says driver what should i put in there?
[04:45] <M4X1MUM> oooh wow it work, now i just need to find out how to share my directory....gaaaah my directory is ext3!!! not NTFS
[04:46] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,   you want to access shares on a windows machine? or have windows access your linux home shares?
[04:46] <Dr_willis> The filesystem of a share does NOT matter
[04:46] <Lechero> simp i am sorry but i dont use wpa :(
[04:46] <Dr_willis> You may want to read the "Using Samba Book" thats online  to get a handle on the fundamentals.
[04:46] <simp> ok then thanks anyway :)
[04:46] <M4X1MUM> windows access shared directory
[04:47] <Dr_willis> to get windows to access your home shares.. you need tomake a samba password for your linux user.
[04:48] <Dr_willis> sudo  smbpasswd -a USERNAMEHERE
[04:48] <ranio> test
[04:48] <M4X1MUM> my account username?
[04:48] <Dr_willis> You also may want to edit the  /etc/samba/smb.conf   to set the home shares to be writeable
[04:49] <M4X1MUM> oooh no i just want the shared folder to be read-only
[04:49] <Dr_willis> Your linux username/login/   that you wish to have home shared.
[04:49] <ranio> somebody help~ how can I run .wmv file?
[04:49] <Dr_willis> KDE has a samba confguration front end as well.. but i rarely use it
[04:49] <M4X1MUM> you can't set which directory you want to set?
[04:50] <M4X1MUM> want to share* i meant
[04:50] <Dr_willis> ranio,  install the w32codecs package, and be lucky,. try vlc/xine/mplayer
[04:50] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  this is linux.. of COURSE you can.
[04:50] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  but by default the users Homes are set up to be shared.
[04:50] <ranio> thanks, I wil try it
[04:50] <M4X1MUM> wooow thats bad
[04:50] <Dr_willis> control center -> internet -> samba
[04:50] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  no its not..
[04:50] <RawSewage> where is the php.ini I change
[04:51] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  they are not shared untill you just installed samba, and set up that password.
[04:51] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  and even then.. they re default read only
[04:51] <M4X1MUM> ooh
[04:51] <Dr_willis> and theres that KDE bugglet again in the samba control  center applet.
[04:51] <Dr_willis> resize the window to see all the buttons. :)
[04:52] <RawSewage> anyone know where I can find php.ini  .  I found 2, but those dont seem to be the rigth ones
[04:52] <RawSewage> I need to increase php memory from 8mb to 48mb
[04:52] <M4X1MUM> errr, control center is the same as system settings?
[04:52] <M4X1MUM> i dont see any samba there
[04:53] <Dr_willis> I may ofinstalled it.. i got one right there
[04:53] <Dr_willis> actually i use the quick icon in the taskbar called 'settings' :)
[04:53] <faz> u guys know how can i install my ATI graphic card drivers installed on Kubuntu?
[04:54] <Dr_willis> and the gui i am accessing is called 'control center' in the titlebar
[04:54] <Dr_willis> the other settings gui - may be a little diffeently laidout/tweaked
[04:54] <M4X1MUM> oooh man so different
[04:54] <M4X1MUM> im using kubuntu
[04:54] <Dr_willis> Right click panel -> add applet --> settings
[04:55] <Dr_willis> SO am i M4X1MUM
[04:55] <Dr_willis> theres just different ways to get to the different tools
[04:55] <Dr_willis> I perfer the Settings Applet on the taskbar
[04:55] <M4X1MUM> aaah i see samba in the setting icon
[04:56] <Dr_willis> 'system settings' is sort of a dumbed down interface compared to 'control center'
[04:56] <M4X1MUM> oooh
[04:56] <M4X1MUM> i always thought they are the same thing
[04:57] <Dr_willis> run ----->  kcontrol            then run  'system settings' icon
[04:57] <Dr_willis> and compare the 2
[04:57] <Dr_willis> they access the same tools.. but the layout is different
[04:57] <M4X1MUM> ok i've open the samba window and maximize it, shouldn't the window have a scroll bar if content is outside the viewport?
[04:57] <Dr_willis> kcontrol is the old way i think.. and system settings is a smarter way
[04:58] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  theres some buglets
[04:58] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  ya see a administrator mode button at the bottom?
[04:58] <M4X1MUM> yes
[04:58] <Dr_willis> then you are lucky :)
[04:58] <Dr_willis> depends on the screen res. the window gets resized where thats not seen on some machines
[04:59] <simp> hello i have a problem with wifi if i try to connect it hangs up at 28% and after a while tells me that knetworkmanager has been dissconnected... my wifi network is secured with wpa1 tkip
[04:59] <Dr_willis> the fix is to alt-click drat the window UP some.. then grab the bottom frame and expand the window down..
[04:59] <frankkm> Admiral_Chicago: I have installed ffmpeg, and I followed the link you send me, but when I did it, it told me that I missed a codec
[04:59] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: does that mean the devs installs a standard KDE system, then tinker with the menus?
[04:59] <M4X1MUM> well i only see the button partially though
[04:59] <Dr_willis> THEN it seems to figure out the res and does it right from then on
[05:00] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  allteh disrtos ive seen with KDE - tweak the kde stuff. BUT also the actual kde devs  are constantly twiddling with things.
[05:00] <Dr_willis> GENTOO i think is the only disrto ive seen that uses a Vanilla KDE layout
[05:00] <Dr_willis> but i could be wrong in some of this information
[05:00] <Dr_willis> I do belive the "trashcan on the panel" is a Kubuntu 'idea' which i much perfer.
[05:02] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: I have been trying to find out how you install a clutter-free KDE system on other distros, but no one seems to know, however one person did suggest everything was there, but that the menus had been suitable modified
[05:02] <M4X1MUM> alright in samba window, the security level is changed to shared, and windows still need to login to read the files?
[05:02] <M4X1MUM> windows user*
[05:02] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  as far as i know Gentoo uses the KDE default.. now wether that is Clutter-free is the next question. ;P
[05:02] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  yes.. that makes sence..
[05:03] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  also you may need to restart the samba services for the changes to take effect
[05:03] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: hmmm I got kororaa installed, let me see...
[05:03] <M4X1MUM> is it possible to allow the windows user to read the files without login?
[05:04] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  i looked at that once. :)
[05:04] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  you can make a public share.
[05:04] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  samba has so many features it would make your head explode
[05:05] <M4X1MUM> yeah its scary just looking at this samba setting screen so many stuff
[05:05] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: I trashed my gentoo system accidently & could not face going through all that stuff again, so I installed kororaa as a short cut :-)
[05:05] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  thats why a read of that Using Samba BOok is nice . to get you up to speed on what all is going on.
[05:05] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  ahh.. I rember kororaa now.. tried it.. lasted a day.. :P went back to Kubuntu
[05:06] <M4X1MUM> how do i set the file view to details instead of icons all the time?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> save it as the default profile.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Seen that asked befor. :)
[05:08] <Dr_willis> settings -> save view profile
[05:08] <Dr_willis> make up several if ya like. :)
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: actually it's not bad, not too far away from kubuntu, got the trash can in the taskbar, but slower to load than, goodness knows what arch are doing, but it's fast!!
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> slower than arch*
[05:09] <Dr_willis> i read up on arch.. and some of the things they are doing... just scare me away
[05:09] <TheGateKeeper> like?
[05:10] <M4X1MUM> i still feels a bit weird, not used to the way files is stored in linux :(
[05:10] <Dr_willis> well ive only messed with the live cd of it.. but some of the rants i hear are... screwy init system. removal of docs to save space...
[05:10] <Dr_willis> and other tweaks because 'they wanted to'
[05:10] <Dr_willis> but ya would have read up on arch and get through all the 'we are cool' posts/docs they like to brag about. :)
[05:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:11] <Dr_willis> http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/gnu/gnuzilla/
[05:12] <MistaED> Dr_willis: how does packman compare with apt/deb?
[05:12] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: hmmm I just installed it to see what it was like, I like what I see apart from not being able to install KDE the way I want it :-(
[05:12] <Dr_willis> MistaED,  only used the live cd . so cant really tellya
[05:12] <MistaED> fair enough
[05:12] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  vmware to the rescue :)
[05:12] <Dr_willis> vmare lets me test out other disrtos now - safely :)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> downloading some PCLinuxOS-gamers cd right now.
[05:13] <proog> Admiral_Chicago: My friend frankkm installed ffmpeg and we tryed to convert the flv file, but its said that there was a missing codec
[05:13] <Dr_willis> PCLinuxOS  - seems odd in some ways as well.
[05:14] <M4X1MUM> aaah the save view profile doesn't really work
[05:14] <tmdx120> Hello all. How can I get my palm to sync with Kontact?
[05:14] <Dr_willis> the PCLOS SuperGamer-1 system  http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/6136
[05:14] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  it worked for me.
[05:14] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis: I have an old P3 test box, from some of the stuff I have heard edge might have to go on it before it makes it to my main box
[05:14] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  i just saved it as the  main profile and its the default on a new window opening
[05:14] <M4X1MUM> i want to have detailed view by default for all viewing of directory
[05:15] <Dr_willis> set up the file manager how ya like.. save the profile    'save view profile "kubuntu file manager" ' is what i did
[05:15] <Dr_willis> and its rembered as the default one now
[05:15] <proog> anyone knows something about ffmpeg and can help me?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> there used tobe a lot of example view profiles out you could install
[05:16] <M4X1MUM> aaarghh i need to load the profile all the time
[05:17] <Goffi> hi
[05:17] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  what name did you save the profile as?
[05:17] <simp> where is konqueror located?
[05:17] <Goop2> my sound dosent work, it used to, nothing changed, and its not muted
[05:18] <Goop2> its not plugged in either.. nevermind =P
[05:18] <Dr_willis> which konqueror
[05:18] <Dr_willis> /usr/bin/konqueror
[05:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:18] <M4X1MUM> Kubuntu File manager, dang i set shift+m minimize the window now i cannot type capital m lol
[05:18] <Dr_willis> M4X1MUM,  i just used the save..and dident even enter a new name
[05:19] <Dr_willis> the menu item said  "save profile "Kubuntu File Manager"'  soi let it save it over the  original :)
[05:20] <M4X1MUM> ok
[05:22] <Dr_willis> If theres a hard way to do it... M4X1MUM  will find a harder way! :)
[05:24] <baldi> how can i deinstall the ati-driver?
[05:28] <M4X1MUM> aaaaaah it works
[05:28] <Jucato> excuse me, how would I know if the "box" given by my ISP is a modem or a router? (ADSL PPPoE)
[05:28] <fdoving> heh.. find the name and number and google it?
[05:28] <fdoving> ( #kubuntu-offtopic by the way )
[05:28] <Jucato> well, it's brand is the name of the ISP?
[05:29] <fdoving> no clue.
[05:29] <Jucato> fdoving: actually it will become ontopic in a few moments... (I have follow up questions...)
[05:29] <fdoving> ah. ok :)
[05:29] <Jucato> nvm then.. :(
[05:29] <ace> !kde
[05:29] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[05:30] <M4X1MUM> ok next problem! my ktorrent is telling me the directory is not accessible.....the directory owner is me, and why the heck is it still not accessible?
[05:31] <ace> ubotu, sudo
[05:31] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:31] <nuku> Jucato: you could try nmap -O ...
[05:31] <M4X1MUM> the error is actually "permission denied"
[05:31] <Jucato> nuku: thanks. I'll try that
[05:31] <M4X1MUM> should i just do chmod 777?
[05:31] <ace> M4X1MUM: I dont know alot about this but the same eror was gien to me by the test editor and i used sudo
[05:32] <fdoving> M4X1MUM: depends on what it is, and what you want, really.
[05:32] <Strahlung-Alpha> hi folks
[05:32] <octan> M4X1MUM, ls -ls /torrent dir
[05:32] <zorglu_> M4X1MUM: could you put your nick in lower caps please.
[05:32] <M4X1MUM> i want to allow ktorrent to be able to write onto the directory
[05:32] <octan> *ls -la
[05:33] <octan> m4x1mum, chown YOU:useres /torrent-dir && chmod 755 /torent-dir
[05:33] <octan> *YOU:users
[05:33] <m4x1mum> drwxr-xr-x 10 max adm  4096 2006-10-04 21:51 Files
[05:33] <zorglu_> m4x1mum: thanks
[05:34] <m4x1mum> thats the result
[05:34] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir && chmod 755 /torent-dir
[05:34] <octan> that should fix it
[05:35] <m4x1mum> literally "YOU" ?
[05:35] <octan> no
[05:35] <octan> your username
[05:35] <m4x1mum> aah ok
[05:35] <m4x1mum> how about the sub-dir?
[05:36] <octan> do like this
[05:36] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir/*
[05:36] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir/*/
[05:36] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir/*/*
[05:36] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir/*/*/
[05:36] <octan> m4x1mum,  chown YOU:users /torrent-dir/*/*//
[05:36] <octan> so on
[05:36] <m4x1mum> whooooaaa
[05:36] <zorglu_> or "chown -R YOU:users /torrent-dir" :)
[05:37] <octan> zorglu_, does that the subdirs?
[05:37] <zorglu_> btw -R works for chmod too
[05:37] <octan> --recursive :)
[05:37] <zorglu_> octan: yes it applies reccursively to all the subfiles/dir
[05:37] <octan> yes i saw..
[05:37] <octan> just looked it up in man
[05:37] <m4x1mum> i thought is small letter "r"
[05:38] <Jucato> how do I share internet connection between Linux and Windows? connection is ADSL PPPoE using a router...
[05:38] <octan> maquerade
[05:38] <octan> or forward
[05:39] <zorglu_> currently you got some admin tools doing it for you
[05:39] <fdoving> Jucato: guidedog
[05:39] <zorglu_> all the NAT+ip_forward stuff
[05:39] <octan> Jucato, can you loginto the router ?
[05:39] <nuku> Jucato: on easy way is to use something like "firestarter" ..you'll get a basic setup from it...
[05:40] <nuku> but on the otherhand its better to configure manually :)
[05:40] <fdoving> Jucato: that's if you want your linux box to be connected to the adsl-box, and your windows box to be connected to the linux box or share hub/switch with it.
[05:40] <Jucato> well basically they each can connect to the internet, but not at the same time. one has to be disconnected...
[05:40] <Jucato> fdoving: they're both connected directly to the router
[05:40] <fdoving> Jucato: can they connect to each other?
[05:40] <zorglu_> Jucato: the 'router' being the adsl box from your isp ?
[05:41] <Jucato> zorglu_: yes
[05:41] <Jucato> fdoving: err... I don't know.. :(
[05:41] <zorglu_> Jucato: your PC are connected to your adsl box via ethernet ?
[05:41] <fdoving> Jucato: do you get a private (192.168.x.x/10.x.x.x/172.x.x.x) ip or a public one?
[05:41] <Jucato> zorglu_: yes
[05:42] <octan> Jucato, way retarded way is to set you router to forward all traffic from the windows pc to the linux bc.. then on linux pc for all traffic fom the windows pc to the router
[05:42] <zorglu_> Jucato: usualy in those case, you got a web site on the adsl box, and some option already exists to share the connection
[05:42] <Jucato> fdoving: I think it's a public one
[05:42] <zorglu_> Jucato: words like 'share' / 'forwarding' / 'nat' somewhere
[05:43] <Jucato> zorglu_: ok I'll try searching...
[05:43] <fdoving> Jucato: i figure since you have to use pppoe the box itself doesn't do any routing. you have to connect a pc to dial and all. right?
[05:44] <CatSoup> how do i network my new kubuntu box onto my linksys router so that my other windows computer can see it?
[05:44] <nuku> well there a couple of hybrid boxes acting both as router or as a modem
[05:44] <Jucato> fdoving: I just enter the username and password that the ISP gave
[05:44] <zorglu_> yep, my adsl box does a lot
[05:45] <fdoving> Jucato: do you have to setup pppoe on each box?
[05:46] <mation> uff
[05:46] <Jucato> oh krap... they're saying it's not a router after all... :(
[05:46] <octan> lol
[05:47] <Jucato> a multi-port modem....??? :(
[05:47] <octan> Jucato, do you got 2 network cards in your pc?
[05:47] <octan> linux ppx
[05:47] <octan> *pc
[05:47] <Jucato> octan: no. :(
[05:48] <zorglu_> you dont need 2 cards
[05:48] <nuku> you can assign virtual devices
[05:48] <octan> :\ it would made your life easyer
[05:48] <nuku> like eth0:1
[05:48] <Jucato> one ethernet card on the PC, one on the lappy...
[05:49] <octan> nuku, thats not posseble with nat. i was thisking like .. Modem ---> eth0 Linuxbox eth1 ---> windows
[05:49] <nuku> octan: why wouldn't that be possible?  modem->eth0:0 eth:0:1->windows
[05:50] <octan> nuku, and where would you connect the 2nd tcp/ip cable?
[05:50] <nuku> into the hub
[05:50] <fdoving> octan: if the modem is multiport and act like a hub.. that would be possible.
[05:50] <octan> he dosent have that
[05:50] <zorglu_> no need to another cable
[05:50] <KrAmMeR> does anyone know how to extract rar files, the ones that are packaged where you would usually extract the first rar file in the folder and it does the rest?
[05:50] <octan> alright
[05:51] <Jucato> oh please explain that :)
[05:51] <nuku> !info unrar
[05:51] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[05:51] <KrAmMeR> yeh
[05:51] <KrAmMeR> i got this
[05:51] <KrAmMeR> http://download.gna.org/unrar/
[05:51] <octan> Jucato, make like this.. ifconfig eth0:1 IP up
[05:51] <zorglu_> the window connection the linux and the linux connect the adsl box, all happening with MAC address on a single ethernet linkx
[05:52] <KrAmMeR> installed it
[05:52] <KrAmMeR> but its not working or im just typing in the wrong command
[05:52] <zorglu_> the window must hook the linux as gateway
[05:52] <octan> then you do.. like iptables -t nat POSTROUTING -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
[05:52] <zorglu_> the linux must do ip forward + nat from the adsl to the window
[05:52] <octan> erm eth0:0
[05:52] <zorglu_> i already did it
[05:52] <Jucato> zorglu_: I only have one NIC card. is that possible?
[05:53] <nuku> KrAmMeR: use the one in the repositories not a manual installation..
[05:53] <KrAmMeR> where do i get that
[05:53] <fdoving> Jucato: if you have multiple ports on the modem it can be.
[05:53] <Jucato> octan: I will try this. so it's the ifconfig comman d first, then the iptables command? need to use sudo on both?
[05:53] <KrAmMeR> ?
[05:53] <nuku> !repository
[05:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:53] <zorglu_> Jucato: do you have a hub, something which would allow your window to talk to your linux and your linux to talk to your adsl box
[05:53] <KrAmMeR> ok thanks
[05:53] <nuku> enable multiverse and install "unrar"
[05:53] <zorglu_> Jucato: a hub or any kind of cable solution to do so
[05:53] <nuku> via adept or whatever you use as a package manager
[05:54] <KrAmMeR> k
[05:54] <octan> Jucato, well you need to setup a 2 ip on eth card.. and use eth0:1 's ip as the gateway on windows
[05:54] <Jucato> zorglu_: no... but it seems that the "router" is actually just a multi port modem... would that do?
[05:54] <zorglu_> Jucato: e.g. linux -> hub, adsl -> hub, window -> hub would have only 1 card per box
[05:54] <m4x1mum> whats a good torrent client? ktorrent seems too simple
[05:54] <nuku> m4x1mum: azureus
[05:55] <Jucato> octan: oh... any guide on how I could do this?
[05:55] <zorglu_> Jucato: no idea what is a 'multiport modem' :) if it is a hub, aka if the window can talk to the linux thru it, it is ok
[05:55] <m4x1mum> whoaa azureus is abit heavy weight kind
[05:55] <octan> nop.. use you head and draw a sheme.. it make it easyer
[05:55] <KrAmMeR> nuku: i cant find it
[05:55] <zorglu_> Jucato: but i find surprising that a adsl box able to receive multiple ehternet cable is not able to share the adsl between them
[05:55] <Jucato> zorglu_: same here.
[05:56] <nuku> KrAmMeR: have you enabled multiverse? and did and update?
[05:56] <zorglu_> Jucato: to provide multiple plug is more expensive and would be useless without ability to share the connection
[05:56] <nuku> (read the link above)
[05:56] <Jucato> ok probably a simpler question: how can I check if Linux and Windows can see each other through the box?
[05:56] <KrAmMeR> i typed that in adept and it doens't show up
[05:56] <octan> zorglu_, his ips is porbealy block him
[05:56] <octan> i mean the other pc
[05:56] <Jucato> KrAmMeR: you need to enable multiverse
[05:56] <octan> my modem works only on 1 mac
[05:56] <Jucato> !multiverse
[05:56] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:56] <nuku> Jucato: assign internal ip address on both and ping :)
[05:56] <Jucato> KrAmMeR:  ^^^
[05:57] <zorglu_> Jucato: depends, you can simply ping each other, or try to generate trafic on window and use tcpdump on the linux
[05:57] <KrAmMeR> <---newbie
[05:57] <KrAmMeR> ok i'll try agian
[05:57] <junti> i need help :0(
[05:57] <zorglu_> Jucato: are you 100% sure the adsl box is unable to do it ?
[05:58] <nomadsoul> gosh it's the 3rd time that the graphical installer crash.. is there any command-line installer or ncurses installer?
[05:58] <Jucato> zorglu_: well, I can't connect to the internet at the same time... if Linux is connected, Windows can't or vice-versa
[05:58] <rance> hey guys, I just installed kubuntu and got my system running, looks very nice, great job all
[05:58] <junti> i opened a mp3stream file in amarok, but I cant hear anything. I#m an absolutely rookie. Installed the system yesterday
[05:59] <nuku> Jucato: thats not the point.. check if dhclient obtains an ip address from the box
[05:59] <nuku> Jucato: not via pppoe
[05:59] <m4x1mum> aaaargh this crappy konquerer just keep crashing on me!!
[05:59] <nuku> Jucato: and then you might be able to use a browser to set it up
[05:59] <Jucato> nuku: er... how? (sorry, new at this...)
[05:59] <KrAmMeR> nuku: ok there enabled
[05:59] <zorglu_> Jucato: yep this mean your current configuration doesnt work, but the box may still be able to do it. i insist because im surprised about those multiple plug and because all the alternatives are not real nice (e.g. double traffic on the link and force to keep the linux ON to use window)
[05:59] <m4x1mum> junti: hei i got same problem too
[06:00] <nuku> Jucato: dhclient ethX .. and see if it gets an ip
[06:00] <junti> @m4x1mum: Did you solve the problem?
[06:00] <nuku> Jucato: if you get an ip than you can probably connect to x.x.x.1 with a browser...
[06:00] <m4x1mum> nope i have no idea whats wrong, i just installed kubuntu a few days ago
[06:00] <m4x1mum> still setting up the system :(
[06:00] <Jucato> nuku: I need sudo for that?
[06:01] <nuku> Jucato: sure..
[06:01] <m4x1mum> my torrent doesn't work, mp3 doesn;t work video doesn't work
[06:01] <zorglu_> m4x1mum: bad day hey :)
[06:01] <m4x1mum> my nividia driver installation is unsuccessful too
[06:01] <nuku> m4x1mum: what RIAA would think about it :p *scnr*
[06:02] <junti> m4x1mum: Thanks for the moral support ;o). I will read all the topics...there is still time until the soccer match starts..Greetiing friom germany
[06:02] <m4x1mum> lol
[06:02] <KrAmMeR> nuku: there enabled now, do i have to do anything else?
[06:03] <nuku> KrAmMeR: click on fetch updates and then you should find unrar
[06:03] <Jucato> nuku: I connect through PPPoE, not DHCP... will dhclient still work?
[06:03] <KrAmMeR> ok thanks
[06:03] <Arlington> is there a system requirement page to view for kubutntu?
[06:04] <KrAmMeR> maybe this is why my sound for video clips or mp3's doesn't work either
[06:04] <KrAmMeR> ...
[06:04] <m4x1mum> and its freakin midnight damn, so many things to do, so little time
[06:04] <nuku> Jucato: well it will break your connection probably :) most important is if you get an ip via dhcp or not .. best without pppoe
[06:04] <nuku> Jucato: and if you do so if you can connect to the box with a browser..
[06:05] <nuku> if not.. you most likely got a modem only box :p
[06:05] <nuku> KrAmMeR: yes.. you have to install libxine-extracodecs thats also not in the repositories enabled per default :)
[06:05] <KrAmMeR> : )
[06:06] <zorglu_> !codecs
[06:06] <sales> hi
[06:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:06] <nuku> blame frauenhofer and the whole software patent lobby for this :)
[06:06] <zorglu_> KrAmMeR: the first link will help for the audio/video problem :)
[06:06] <KrAmMeR> thats annoying they should change that lol
[06:07] <larson9999> i don't mind software patents but they are patenting things that should be patented.  ugh!
[06:07] <nuku> like mp3? ;)
[06:08] <m4x1mum> those patents dont last forever, they can expire i think
[06:08] <puttlick> r det ngon som lyckats installera XGL?
[06:08] <nuku> well like in 20 years :)
[06:08] <larson9999> nuku: i think the test is supposed to be something that wouldn't be 'obvious' to those in the field.
[06:09] <m4x1mum> unfortunaly so..lol
[06:09] <jonatan> puttlick: prova paa engelska, responsen blir nog baettre daa
[06:09] <zorglu_> !se
[06:09] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[06:09] <fdoving> Jucato: maybe this can help you somehow: http://rafb.net/paste/results/7EOCYI34.html
[06:09] <zorglu_> jonatan: did i guess right ? :)
[06:09] <KrAmMeR> universe sources is takin foreever
[06:09] <nuku> larson9999: sure thats a basic criteria in most patent laws anyway .. like "inventive step"
[06:09] <jonatan> zorglu_: yea
[06:09] <m4x1mum> ok im gonna sleep, im gonna start the battle with kubuntu tomorrow!!
[06:10] <m4x1mum> Linux Wars: Episode 2!! Coming Soon tomorrow
[06:10] <nuku> but this still leads to many restrictions on things that may get "standards"
[06:10] <jonatan> heck, I'm swedish and even I find it annoying when people use it in the english channels
[06:10] <Jucato> fdoving: thanks I'll try it
[06:10] <larson9999> nuku: yeah, but they want to patent everything the first time it's done.  that's what get's me.
[06:10] <KrAmMeR> what exactly are repositories?
[06:10] <jonatan> KrAmMeR: basically a small space on another server that holds a lot of packages in a database
[06:11] <KrAmMeR> k
[06:11] <zorglu_> !repo
[06:11] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:11] <nuku> larson9999: sure .. there are really alot of trivial patent but still there are other things that may be not THAT trivial but the patent claims come AFTER the thing is established (like mp3/gif/...)
[06:12] <nuku> but i guess we are getting offtopic :)
[06:12] <zorglu_> hehe :) just at the moment i were writing about about offtopi c:)
[06:12] <jonatan> you know, they could solve the entire patent debate by just making the patent duration reflect the speed of development in the field
[06:12] <jonatan> "software patent? Sure, you can have one. Our deluxe option expires in 2 months "
[06:14] <KrAmMeR> having trouble finding libxine-extracodecs
[06:15] <KrAmMeR> OoOO
[06:15] <KrAmMeR> wait a min
[06:15] <KrAmMeR> i have updated
[06:15] <KrAmMeR> updates
[06:15] <zorglu_> !info libxine-extracodecs
[06:15] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[06:15] <zorglu_> KrAmMeR: get multiverse
[06:16] <KrAmMeR> yeh i just did but i need to update it more
[06:16] <zorglu_> :) once is enougth :)
[06:17] <Jucato> make sure that you  added the correct multiverse repo
[06:17] <KrAmMeR> beats me i updated it once already and then it showed up again
[06:17] <KrAmMeR> so maybe it didn't go through
[06:17] <nuku> */5 * * * aptitude update :p
[06:17] <nuku> for the crontab fans around :p
[06:18] <Hawkwind> Might be a crontab fan, but not aptitude that's for sure
[06:19] <nuku> hehe :)
[06:19] <nuku> just kidding
[06:19] <nuku> we all demand the bleeding edge :)
[06:25] <ubuntu_> Hi! I am just testing the kubuntu edgy live cd. Can someone tell me, why OpenOffice is the default office suit, and not KOffice?
[06:29] <puttlick> Does anyone know if you could install compiz running KDE?
[06:30] <BatmanX> hi .. anyone know if there's an issue with Dapper and a fireGL2 video card? .. all I get is a hang on "Uncompressing kernel"
[06:30] <nuku> puttlick: yes you can .. it will just replace kwin ..
[06:31] <nuku> you will keep kicker and stuff..
[06:31] <puttlick> Nuku: okey, I was reading som guide saying I couldn't...
[06:32] <nuku> go for beryl anway its much easier to configure and such..
[06:32] <puttlick> Iwanna run XGL but everything just fucks up
[06:32] <jonatan> hmm
[06:32] <jonatan> some help required
[06:32] <KrAmMeR> nuku: im still gettin errors
[06:33] <KrAmMeR> do i need to restart?
[06:33] <nuku> .. #ubuntu-xgl is for this kind of questions :)
[06:33] <jonatan> I want to create a separate user account without administrator privileges
[06:33] <jonatan> do I just make sure not to add it to the admin group ?
[06:33] <puttlick> Nuku: thx didn't know it existed ;P
[06:33] <nuku> KrAmMeR: what errors?
[06:33] <BatmanX> jonatan: yes
[06:33] <jonatan> what about the adm group
[06:33] <jonatan> should I leave that as well
[06:34] <KrAmMeR> nuku: an error occured while trying to open the archive
[06:34] <Samuli^> hey gnomefreak, would you mind cancelling my ban on #ubuntu?
[06:34] <nuku> KrAmMeR: using unrar?! maybe your archive is broken :)
[06:34] <KrAmMeR> lemme try command line
[06:34] <KrAmMeR> i thought it would just work normally
[06:34] <GnarusLeo> Have anyone got ubuntu to work with Prism drivers (Network Adapter) ?? How do I do this?
[06:34] <KrAmMeR> ...i did install another unrar program manually
[06:35] <KrAmMeR> maybe thats messing withit
[06:35] <nuku> possibly..
[06:35] <KrAmMeR> how do i uninstall that one
[06:35] <nuku> but its just a single executeable so chances are very small
[06:35] <KrAmMeR> k
[06:35] <KrAmMeR> lemme try command line
[06:36] <KrAmMeR> nope
[06:36] <KrAmMeR> still doesn't work
[06:36] <nuku> unrar x ...rar ?
[06:36] <KrAmMeR> yeh
[06:36] <nuku> so..its likely your archive thats broken :/
[06:36] <KrAmMeR> unrar -x filename
[06:36] <puttlick> dpkg: efterfrgad operation krver superanvndarbehrighet wtf?
[06:37] <nuku> oh not -x just x
[06:37] <KrAmMeR> oh
[06:37] <GnarusLeo> puttlick, sudo unrar x file
[06:37] <KrAmMeR> im already root
[06:37] <GnarusLeo> puttlick, sorry :) sudo dpkg -i file
[06:37] <KrAmMeR> sudo -s
[06:38] <GnarusLeo> oh .. beats me
[06:38] <nuku> you dont need to be root.. more you should not be root when doing no administrative stuff :)
[06:38] <KrAmMeR> it says unrar: invalide archive
[06:38] <BatmanX> then its an invalid archive
[06:38] <KrAmMeR> it says unrar: invalide archive "x" bad address
[06:38] <KrAmMeR> damit
[06:38] <KrAmMeR> ok
[06:38] <KrAmMeR> that sucs
[06:39] <KrAmMeR> im gonna download something small
[06:39] <KrAmMeR> and see if it work
[06:39] <nuku> ?
[06:39] <KrAmMeR> to unrar
[06:41] <puttlick> ganarusleo: Thx ;)
[06:43] <KrAmMeR> alright so if this doens't work then i think it might be the other rar program that i installed
[06:43] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: unrar e file.rar
[06:44] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: That is the proper syntax to unrarring a .rar file with unrar
[06:44] <KrAmMeR> ok i'll try that
[06:44] <nomadsoul> does kubuntu have an ncurses installer? the graphical one crashes..
[06:44] <Hawkwind> nomadsoul: The alternate CD has ncurses, yes
[06:44] <GnarusLeo> Have anyone got ubuntu to work with Prism drivers (Network Adapter) ?? How do I do this?
[06:44] <nomadsoul> Hawkwind: i'm talking about the normal kubuntu cd
[06:44] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: nope got the same error
[06:45] <nomadsoul> 6.06 with LTS
[06:45] <Hawkwind> nomadsoul: What do you call 'normal' ??  There is the alternate CD, and then the 'desktop' CD which is the Live CD
[06:46] <nomadsoul> Hawkwind: the one that canonical ship you at home
[06:46] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Can you do an ls in that directory with the files and then run the command, and paste all of that into http://pastebin.ulteo.us so I can see it please
[06:46] <Hawkwind> nomadsoul: That would be the 'desktop' Live CD, which is graphical.  Use the alternate CD which is a full blown installer
[06:46] <KrAmMeR> sure just a sec
[06:46] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Make sure you paste the command(s) you do as well please
[06:48] <Samuli^> what was the command to get root access for infinite amount on that window?
[06:48] <Samuli^> something like su -sh?
[06:48] <nomadsoul> sudo su
[06:48] <Hawkwind> Samuli^: sudo -i or sudo su or you can even create a traditional root account real easily if you wanted
[06:49] <gnomefreak> Samuli^: are you done with the language that you used?
[06:49] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: ok its pasted in
[06:49] <KrAmMeR> and posted
[06:49] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You need to paste us the resulting URL
[06:49] <Samuli^> gnomefreak, yeah, sorry about that. I was very tired :)
[06:49] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Good afternoon!
[06:49] <KrAmMeR> lol
[06:49] <KrAmMeR> sorry
[06:49] <KrAmMeR> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/138
[06:50] <gnomefreak> Samuli^: give me a minute or 2
[06:50] <abattoir> hi Hawkwind :)
[06:51] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Hmmm, maybe you got a bad download and those aren't actually rar files.  Though seems unlikely
[06:51] <KrAmMeR> yeh they could be bad
[06:51] <KrAmMeR> im downloading something else right now
[06:51] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Have you run 'file lmg-tyfsmoking-dvdr.part045.rar'  to see if it tells you what kind of file it is ?
[06:51] <KrAmMeR> that will have to extract the same way
[06:51] <gnomefreak> done
[06:52] <KrAmMeR> well its a rar file
[06:52] <KrAmMeR> ...
[06:52] <KrAmMeR> .rar
[06:52] <KrAmMeR> right?
[06:52] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Does it tell you that when you run that command ?
[06:52] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Anyone could change the filename to a .rar and call it a rar file when originally could be something totally different
[06:52] <KrAmMeR> yes
[06:53] <KrAmMeR> it says its a RAR file
[06:53] <KrAmMeR> rar archive data
[06:53] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Hm strange.  You do have unrar installed I assume.  If you didn't it would tell you unrar isn't a command
[06:53] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: dpkg -l unrar
[06:53] <KrAmMeR> yeh i do
[06:53] <KrAmMeR> i installed it manually
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> when i was trying to get it to work before
[06:54] <Hawkwind> Ahhh, why ?
[06:54] <Hawkwind> You should just apt-get it
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> cuz i didn't know about he repositories
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> : /
[06:54] <Hawkwind> You should always use what's in the repos first and foremost
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> nothing was comin up when i typed unrar
[06:54] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Uninstall that one, add the right repos, and then sudo apt-get install unrar
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> so i had to get them
[06:54] <Hawkwind> !info unrar
[06:54] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.5.4-0.1 (dapper), package size 84 kB, installed size 216 kB
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> i have the right reposiories now
[06:54] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: It's in multiverse
[06:54] <KrAmMeR> but they must be conflicting
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> yeh i have that now
[06:55] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Uninstall the unrar you have now first
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> so run this command
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> dpkg -l unrar
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> ?
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> which one...
[06:55] <Hawkwind> I assume you compiled unrar ?
[06:55] <KrAmMeR> yea
[06:56] <Hawkwind> As in did a make sudo make install
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Then from within that directory you did all that, do a sudo make uninstall
[06:56] <KrAmMeR> na i download it from somewhere
[06:56] <KrAmMeR> then did ./configure
[06:56] <KrAmMeR> and the rest
[06:56] <Hawkwind> RIght
[06:56] <Hawkwind> Go to the directory that you did all that in, and type: sudo make uninstall
[06:57] <KrAmMeR> eek
[06:57] <KrAmMeR> i think i just ran it from the desktop
[06:57] <KrAmMeR> lol
[06:57] <KrAmMeR> but ok
[06:57] <Hawkwind> It'll error if you don't do it from within the directory of the source
[06:57] <abattoir> gnomefreak: hi, do you know if i can chroot from a 32-bit system into a 64-bit one?
[06:58] <KrAmMeR> k
[06:58] <KrAmMeR> not sure if it worked
[06:59] <KrAmMeR> nothing to be done for "uninstalled-am"
[06:59] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: sudo apt-get install unrar
[06:59] <KrAmMeR> k
[06:59] <puttlick> bash: cd: kwintv-0.8.5: tkomst nekas? Kubuntu is just bringing shit for me right now...
[07:00] <KrAmMeR> says its not there
[07:00] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install unrar
[07:01] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: its workin now
[07:01] <KrAmMeR> im gonna copy that command down
[07:01] <KrAmMeR> : )
[07:01] <WAL> I need some help getting firefox and "make"
[07:01] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: So unrar installed now ?
[07:01] <Hawkwind> WAL: sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:02] <WAL> I get an error
[07:02] <Hawkwind> WAL: What's the error ?
[07:02] <WAL> I'm new to Kubuntu, I think I have issue with my repositories
[07:02] <Hawkwind> WAL: Have you added all the repositories already ?
[07:02] <WAL> Hawkwind: I've added some, not sure if I've done the right ones
[07:02] <Hawkwind> !repos > WAL
[07:03] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: yeh but then it failed to fetch when installed again
[07:03] <Hawkwind> WAL: Follow what the bot just told ya
[07:03] <KrAmMeR> "installing"
[07:03] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Paste the complete error to http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[07:03] <puttlick> why does it say tkomsn nekas when i'm using cd?
[07:04] <WAL> Hawkwind: should those be the only two?
[07:04] <USER020871> moldova
[07:04] <Hawkwind> WAL: You really want/need universe and multiverse.  Make sure you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list appropriately
[07:06] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/139
[07:07] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and make all instances of us.archive.ubuntu.com just simply:  archive.ubuntu.com  and then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install unrar again
[07:07] <sarimano> hi
[07:08] <KrAmMeR> k
[07:09] <octan> Jucato i forgot to tell you.. you should also put ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.1 in that script.-. before iptables
[07:09] <WAL> Hawkwind: different error now
[07:09] <WAL> should I paste in PM?
[07:09] <Hawkwind> WAL: Paste the command(s) you performed and the errors to http://pastebin.ulteo.us
[07:09] <Jucato> octan: lol I thought so :)
[07:10] <octan> sorry about that
[07:10] <WAL> Hawkwind: it's there
[07:10] <Hawkwind> WAL: You need to paste us the resulting URL please
[07:11] <WAL> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/140
[07:11] <Hawkwind> WAL: Then you don't have your repos setup accordingly
[07:11] <Hawkwind> WAL: Can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list file into http://pastebin.ulteo.us as well please
[07:12] <WAL> yep
[07:12] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: its not letting me save the file
[07:12] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You need to edit it as root.   Try: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:12] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: You can of course replace kwrite with kate or whatever GUI editor you want
[07:12] <KrAmMeR> k
[07:13] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: If you prefer vi, then just do: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:13] <WAL> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/141
[07:13] <Hawkwind> WAL: There is your problem.  You only have universe and multiverse.  You need main and other repos as well
[07:13] <josh_> ok guys... i just did a fresh install of linux on my new drive... i dont remember half the programs i had though... what are some interesting programs out there? what is a good webcam/chat program (normally use yahoo but not compatible with linux)
[07:13] <josh_> vi is the sheeznit
[07:14] <josh_> :P
[07:14] <johey> Is there any v2.0 package for ktorrent available for Kubuntu?
[07:14] <WAL> Hawkwind: are those the commecial ones?
[07:14] <BonBonTheJon> josh_: kopete is good
[07:14] <Hawkwind> WAL: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/142
[07:14] <josh_> does it have cam abilities?
[07:14] <mioemi> hello people
[07:14] <Hawkwind> WAL: Those are mine.  Add those to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:15] <johey> josh_: At least with MSN. Don't know about Yahoo.
[07:15] <mioemi> I want to use tv tunner on my system
[07:15] <josh_> hmm...
[07:15] <mioemi> I want to use tv tunner on my system
[07:15] <Hawkwind> WAL: You'll want to do: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list    Replace kate with your favorite GUI editor of choice
[07:15] <andred-> josh_: it does yahoo webcam, too
[07:15] <josh_> what do i need to burn/watch dvd's?
[07:15] <josh_> kopete does?
[07:15] <WAL> Hawkwind: I just did it with Adept Manager, that works the same right?
[07:15] <andred-> josh_: kopete 0.12 series does
[07:15] <josh_> woot woot. im getting that sucker then
[07:16] <mioemi> I want to use tv tunner on my system
[07:16] <mioemi> can any good guy help
[07:16] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/143
[07:16] <johey> john__: It is by far the most featured IM client available for KDE. Maybe the most featured multi protocol IM client available for any system?
[07:16] <Hawkwind> WAL: Sure.  Just make you enable main, updates, multiverse, universe at the very minimal
[07:16] <KrAmMeR> gettin that error
[07:16] <josh_> mioemi: whats ur problem?
[07:16] <josh_> ahh
[07:16] <mioemi> thanks josh
[07:16] <josh_> nevermind
[07:16] <josh_> cant help you
[07:16] <mioemi> ok
[07:16] <josh_> i dont have one of those yet
[07:16] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Try with kate.  You also do *not* need to be in the /etc/apt directory
[07:16] <josh_> im working on i though :P
[07:16] <mioemi> I want to use tv tunner card on my system
[07:17] <silox> how do i twinview my desktop on my TV? (i use Nvidia 9625 BETA drivers)
[07:17] <johey> josh_: I meant you, not john__ ...
[07:17] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: still same thing
[07:17] <josh_> lemme see what i can google up
[07:17] <mioemi> are U there josh?
[07:17] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Are you familiar with vi at all ?
[07:17] <WAL> Hawkwind: if security a good idea?
[07:18] <KrAmMeR> not really but i'll try it
[07:18] <Hawkwind> WAL: Certainly
[07:18] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: I can help you with it if you need
[07:18] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:18] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: Hit 'i' for insert mode, edit what you want/need.  Then when you're done hit the ESC key, then type    :wq
[07:18] <josh_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96631
[07:19] <KrAmMeR> k
[07:19] <johey> Would it be stupid to install ktorrent_2.0.2-1_i386_sarge.deb in Kubuntu (from Ktorrent's official web page)?
[07:19] <mioemi> I want to use tv tunner card on my system
[07:19] <josh_> mioemi: what type of card is it?
[07:19] <silox> how do i put a command in "autostart" so it will start upp automatically when i start x?
[07:19] <Hawkwind> josh_: 2.0.2 is available for Dapper
[07:19] <mioemi> can any body help?
[07:19] <Hawkwind> johey: That was for you, sorry
[07:20] <johey> Hawkwind: It is?
[07:20] <Hawkwind> johey: Absolutely
[07:20] <WAL> Hawkwind: that looks like it's gonna do it, thanks for the help, all this apt stuff is new for a former slackware user like me :D
[07:20] <johey> Hawkwind: Where can I get that?
[07:20] <Hawkwind> johey: Probably in backports
[07:20] <Hawkwind> WAL: No problem.  If you have anymore questions don't hesitate to ask
[07:21] <WAL> Hawkwind: thanks, have a good day
[07:21] <Hawkwind> johey: 2.0.2 is definitely in backports
[07:22] <jamie> so.....
[07:23] <bnilsen> Can anyone here advise about bash programming?
[07:23] <Hawkwind> bnilsen: I can't, but you might ask the experts in #Bash
[07:23] <Hawkwind> bnilsen: Those guys know their stuff, very well in fact
[07:24] <bnilsen> Thanks Hawkwind I'll try there.
[07:25] <tribble> hi.. maybe someone knows the solution: i would like to reset the filebrowser behavior in kubuntu edgy from single klick to open a file to doubleclick but i cant find the option for this anywhere.. i know that if you install kde on a debian you get a configuration assistant who asks about this behaviour but i dont know how to start him manually.. any idea how to do this ?
[07:25] <bnilsen> #join bash
[07:25] <bnilsen> ahhh shucks!!!
[07:26] <Jucato> tribble: System Settings > Mouse
[07:26] <johey> Hawkwind: I see. Thanks! But that required me to add the backports repository to my sources list. Can I ensure all packages primarily will be downloaded from the main repository, and backports only on specific packages?
[07:26] <shriphani> how to let kde run super fast on 256 megs ram ?
[07:26] <Hawkwind> johey: Which ever is newest is what will get installed
[07:27] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Buy more RAM
[07:27] <tribble> ahhh i never looked there.. i was looking in konqueror settings or window behaviour.. thanks :)) i really have to look closer next time
[07:27] <shriphani> uh oh
[07:27] <Hawkwind> shriphani: It won't run 'super fast' on that little bit of RAM
[07:27] <shriphani> i have just 256 megs
[07:27] <shriphani> and i am running kubuntu
[07:27] <Hawkwind> tribble: It's also found in kcontrol -> peripherals -> mouse
[07:27] <shriphani> kinda freakin me out
[07:28] <johey> Hawkwind: :(
[07:28] <Hawkwind> shriphani: You really need more RAM than 256
[07:28] <shriphani> Hawkwind: so ubuntu suits the best for 256 megs ram ?
[07:28] <zorglu_> or build super fast disk :)
[07:28] <tribble> hawkwind: thx fount it.. jucato mentioned the same.. i was looking in a completely wrong place for that option ;)
[07:28] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: why was the us.ubuntu interfering?
[07:28] <shriphani> or should i get xfce ?
[07:29] <Hawkwind> KrAmMeR: It's just a bogged down mirror
[07:29] <KrAmMeR> ok
[07:29] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Might give it a try.  You can sudo apt-get install xfce-desktop if you want to try Xfce
[07:29] <Momal> Does anyone know what the best screen capture program is to run under kde? (capturing the screen as video into an avi or mpeg doesn't matter I can change it later).. that wont lag to much when capturing at 1280x1024 (I have amdx2 4200, 2gbram, gf7800)... Or able to rec at that res then when it saves to smaller size
[07:29] <Hawkwind> Momal: Have you tried wink at all ?
[07:29] <KrAmMeR> its still updating
[07:29] <LjL> shriphani, you should get more ram IMHO. it's unfortunate that modern desktop need such an impressing amount of memory to run smoothly, but still, another 256meg chip is probably around 25 or less
[07:29] <Hawkwind> Momal: It's not a KDE app at all, and it doesn't come with any distro unfortunately
[07:30] <shriphani> Hawkwind: but how do i kick out kde then ?
[07:30] <Hawkwind> RAM is so horribly cheap.  I can buy the same 2x512(1GB w/ copper heat sinks) for $50 where as 15 months ago I paid $150
[07:30] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Click the logout button from the menu
[07:31] <shriphani> no like uninstall kde completely
[07:31] <Hawkwind> shriphani: No need to uninstall it
[07:31] <Momal> hawkwind: its not even linux for that matter is it lol?
[07:31] <Hawkwind> shriphani: You can have them both installed without issues
[07:31] <Hawkwind> Momal: Yes it is
[07:31] <Hawkwind> Momal: I use it all the time in fact
[07:31] <shriphani> Hawkwind: i had tried ubuntu + xfce
[07:32] <Momal> oo.. ok i'll check it out thanls
[07:32] <Momal> thanks*
[07:32] <LjL> Hawkwind: good for you, though here a gig of RAM is more like 100
[07:32] <shriphani> it ended up getting updates for gnome apps
[07:32] <shriphani> like open office and such
[07:32] <Hawkwind> shriphani: It always will as long as Gnome is installed.  That's the security in mind.  You don't just update what you use, but what's installed
[07:32] <Hawkwind> !wink
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wink - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <shriphani> so i cant uninstall it?
[07:33] <LjL> shriphani: you can probably remove libgnome. most of the stuff that relies on gnome will go away.
[07:33] <LjL> shriphani: or kdelibs4 in the case of kde
[07:33] <shriphani> oh
[07:33] <Hawkwind> shriphani: You could, but why would you want to ?
[07:34] <LjL> Hawkwind: well, if he doesn't use it...
[07:34] <Hawkwind> shriphani: You should always have 2 - 3 window managers installed.  That way if one is broken and you can't get into it, you have others to get into and fix the broken stuff
[07:34] <shriphani> Hawkwind: wanna have just one desktop manager memory issues
[07:34] <Hawkwind> LjL: ^^^^^^^^^^^
[07:34] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Bad idea IMO
[07:34] <shriphani> oh
[07:34] <Hawkwind> I don't use Gnome, KDE, Xfce, nor windowmaker, but I have them all installed
[07:34] <LjL> Hawkwind: well, if a window manager is broken, you can always boot plain unmanaged X. or fix the problem from the console for that matter.
[07:35] <Hawkwind> LjL: Most new users don't know CLI and are afraid of it
[07:35] <shriphani> so you say i put xfce and let kde stay ?
[07:35] <LjL> and gnome and kde aren't quite just "window managers" anyway.
[07:35] <Hawkwind> Point is...it hurts absolutely nothing to have them install.  Best to have a couple incase things go wrong with one
[07:35] <Hawkwind> LjL: Sheeesh, it was a 'general' statement
[07:35] <fdoving> shriphani: don't want to join thos one or a bunch window manager discussion, but if you really want to remove KDE the best way to remove everything kde-ish is to remove the package 'libartsc0'.
[07:35] <Hawkwind> I wasn't trying to be down right specific.  Was just trying to help the user who is in need of learning
[07:35] <LjL> Hawkwind: well, it hurts in that it takes up disk space, and download time for the updates. it may or may not matter, but it should be considered
[07:36] <zorglu_> not worth a war, for sure :)
[07:36] <Hawkwind> LjL: Diskspace isn't that much at all.  Seriously....it's best to have a couple installed
[07:36] <shriphani> umm i have dialup cant keep updating kde thins
[07:36] <Jucato> octan: thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:36] <fdoving> Hawkwind: it's best to have one that doesn't break. :)
[07:36] <LjL> Hawkwind: ok, but if you consider (say) Gaim a part of Gnome, then there's really no reason to have Gaim installed if you aren't using it. make the same example for all other programs that ship with Ubuntu's Gnome and KDE.
[07:36] <octan> Jucato, :) your welcome
[07:37] <Hawkwind> If you're about space, buy a new 300GB harddrive for $120 when you buy new RAM :)
[07:37] <shriphani> hey wait wont xfce put everything gtk-ishn the box ?
[07:37] <LjL> Hawkwind: you see, as long as you're only talking about the core Gnome/KDE libraries and their window managers, ok, i agree -- one can just keep them installed. but as concerns all the programs that come with them, well, they *do* take up a fair amount of space
[07:37] <Hawkwind> LjL: If a user is scared of or doesn't know X, and his KDE breaks....how is he going to fix it ?  Chances are a reinstall.  If there is another wm/de installed, he will log into that first and foremost
[07:37] <fdoving> Hawkwind: can't put that in my nice little ibook you know :)
[07:37] <fdoving> Hawkwind: livecd
[07:38] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Heh, buy a new laptop while you're buying ram then :P
[07:38] <zorglu_> hehe :) all solved now :)
[07:38] <Lechero> 4 8 15 16 23 42
[07:38] <Hawkwind> fdoving: Or a live CD.  But having only wm/de installed is IMO a bad idea.  I don't use any wm/de ya'll mention on a regular basis, yet I have them all installed, including KDE/Gnome
[07:38] <shriphani> hey what bout the gtk stuff xfce will bring ?
[07:38] <LjL> Hawkwind: ok, i'm not against having a redundant WM installed. i'm just against (well, not even really) having the *whole* of Gnome/KDE with the *whole* of the Gnome/KDE programs that come with Ubuntu installed, and not being used
[07:38] <Hawkwind> Lechero: Are those going to make me millions tonight :P
[07:39] <Samuli^> shriphani, what about it?
[07:39] <LjL> Hawkwind: shriphani talked about OpenOffice for install (though that's really neither a Gnome or a KDE app, but anyway)... why would you want to have it installed if you aren't using it?
[07:39] <Hawkwind> LjL: That's your opinion, and this was mine.  That's the great thing about Linux, choice
[07:39] <mioemi> R U there josh?
[07:39] <Hawkwind> LjL: I don't use it, and it's installed
[07:39] <shriphani> well i just something lightweight altho kde is smooth back here
[07:39] <Lechero> Hawkwind:  only each 128 minutes
[07:39] <Hawkwind> LjL: I'm also not a new user either, so that makes a world of different
[07:40] <fdoving> shriphani: xfce+gnome isn't as much bloat as gnome+kde as xfce uses much of the same stuff gnome does.
[07:40] <shriphani> hmm
[07:40] <mioemi> R U there josh?
[07:40] <LjL> !repeat
[07:40] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[07:40] <Hawkwind> mioemi: He left earlier
[07:40] <zorglu_> mioemi: /whois josh josh will give you information about idle and presence
[07:40] <abattoir> !seen josh
[07:40] <ubotu> josh is on IRC right now!
[07:40] <abattoir> :P
[07:41] <Hawkwind> He's just not in this channel :P
[07:41] <Momal> hawkwind: seems i just get segment fault after trying to run it :(
[07:41] <abattoir> mioemi: he's not in this channel
[07:41] <Hawkwind> Momal: You got everything installed that it needs ?
[07:41] <Hawkwind> Anyways, lunch time here.   Back in a bit
[07:41] <Momal> well I ran its installer script and it didn't say it needed anything
[07:42] <GnarusLeo>  Can anyone please help me? I have succesfully installed and probed my wireless adapter drivers with ndiswrapper (ndiwswrapper -l is ok),"modprobe ndiswrapper" is ok ... insmod is ok and "ndiswrapper "-m is ok. ... but when I wirte "iwconfig" no wlan0 shows up .. any ideas?
[07:44] <mioemi> which channel can I talk to him ?
[07:44] <Hawkwind> mioemi: /whois josh
[07:44] <Hawkwind> mioemi: If he's in a channel it will tell you
[07:44] <Hawkwind> Which he isn't in any
[07:44] <shriphani> Hawkwind: anythig lightweight and qt oriented ?
[07:44] <shriphani> i mean win managers or dm's
[07:45] <zorglu_> hmm bad bt, bad
[07:45] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Nope.  QT is all KDE
[07:45] <mani_> ola
[07:45] <Hawkwind> shriphani: Just use Xfce or fluxbox, or something like E17 or windowmaker
[07:46] <Blacken> Fluxbox is extremely nice if you have a liking for the traditional X sort of thing.
[07:46] <abattoir> Jucato: i remember seeing a stripped down version of kde
[07:46] <shriphani> i wod like traditional x
[07:46] <Jucato> KDE Light
[07:46] <shriphani> would ^
[07:46] <Jucato> but that's just a fork...
[07:46] <abattoir> Jucato: Mini-KDE, google says
[07:46] <Blacken> shriphani: Fluxbox is in the *buntu repositories. It does take a bit of configuration though.
[07:47] <Jucato> hm... still a fork probably? :)
[07:47] <Blacken> One package alone managed to sell me on KDE, though--yakuake.
[07:47] <Jucato> let me check that Mini-KDE... sounds new
[07:47] <abattoir> Jucato: not sure if its just conceptual, though
[07:47] <zorglu_> just under 'unmaintained experiment' section :)
[07:47] <Jucato> Blacken: well there's tilda which also works on GNOME afaik...
[07:48] <Blacken> Jucato: GNOME isn't worth the time of day.
[07:48] <shriphani> anything which will work outta the box and still be traditional x
[07:48] <Blacken> shriphani: No...those environments tend to be for people who are comfortable with configuring things.
[07:49] <Blacken> Hmm, guess that solved it for him. :p
[07:50] <niroxx_> how can i get the source of dpkg-reconfigure ?
[07:50] <Blacken> niroxx_: apt-get source it?
[07:51] <niroxx_> ohh sometimes its easier than i think
[07:51] <overlimit> I installed kubuntu in my laptop but every time I set the time property in reboot it's always 2 hours wrong...any ideas why?
[07:51] <zorglu_> overlimit: the hour in the bios should be UTC one, and the thus the local zone will be ok
[07:52] <zorglu_> overlimit: aka put 17:53 in the bios hour
[07:52] <Blacken> zorglu_: Doesn't that make Windows get annoyed, though?
[07:52] <shriphani_> ok so how do i get traitional x ?
[07:52] <KrAmMeR> Hawkwind: now says utility unrar is not in my path
[07:52] <zorglu_> Blacken: i dunno... i dont use it
[07:52] <shriphani_> tradional ^
[07:52] <KrAmMeR> seems like the update didn't work either
[07:52] <Blacken> shriphani_: Straight X is pretty painful. I'd look into Blackbox or Fluxbox.
[07:52] <zorglu_> overlimit: if it make window annoyed, set your local timezone as UTC
[07:53] <shriphani_> icewm is good ?
[07:53] <Blacken> shriphani_: I used to use it, it's okay. Not exactly X-ish, though.
[07:53] <shriphani_> oh
[07:54] <shriphani_> i think i'll go with fluxbox
[07:54] <Blacken> Good choice.
[07:54] <LjL> shriphani_, "straight X" simply has *no* window management at all. you cannot even move windows around
[07:54] <Blacken> LjL: Hence my suggestion, eh? ;)
[07:54] <fdoving> shriphani_: i think you're better off testing some, and then choose. it's hard for others to tell you what you'll like :)
[07:54] <Jucato> shriphani_: btw, there's a fluxbuntu project going around
[07:54] <zorglu_> telnet to X server, and be a man :)
[07:54] <Blacken> Jucato: Excuse me while I say "zomg!".
[07:55] <KrAmMeR> http://pastebin.ulteo.us/144
[07:55] <shriphani_> does flxbox come with anything for n00bs like me ?
[07:55] <Jucato> Blacken: you're excused :)
[07:55] <LjL> shriphani_: anyway, if you expect to gain significant performance by changing window manager, i think that's a bit pointless. what's making your computer slow is the *programs* you're running, and if you keep running programs that use big libraries (such as the KDE or the Gnome libraries), any improvements from the WM will be marginal at best
[07:55] <JohnFlux_> !nvidia
[07:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:56] <Blacken> shriphani_: "n00bs" ought to stick to GNOME and KDE, because frankly the others are going to be pretty hard at first.
[07:56] <LjL> Blacken: yes, but it sounded like he thought that "straight X" was something that was/is originally intended for actual use -- which it, of course, never was
[07:56] <Blacken> LjL: True.
[07:56] <maryen> theres no x wm?
[07:56] <shriphani_> thx for the advice folks
[07:57] <shriphani_> goodbye
[07:57] <maryen> bye
[07:57] <LjL> maryen: no. X leaves window management to something else.
[07:57] <maryen> oh, x is the sound server right? :)
[07:57] <LjL> maryen: err, no.
[07:58] <LjL> maryen: X is a windowing system. it lets programs draw into "windows", which are boxes that X draws on the screen by talking to the graphics card
[07:58] <LjL> maryen: however, for X a window is *just* a box, with no close/maximise/minimize/resize/whatever buttons at all. that's what a window manager adds
[07:58] <maryen> so its a window manager because it manages windows
[07:58] <BatmanX> no .. it doesnt manage windows
[07:58] <LjL> maryen: no. X makes the windows. the window manager manages the windows that X creates.
[07:59] <BatmanX> window managers such as twn and fluxbox manage then
[07:59] <BatmanX> x simply draws them
[07:59] <maryen> plus i thought linux didnt use windows, why do linux people hate microsoft then?
[07:59] <LjL> ... scuse me?
[07:59] <BatmanX> twm/fluxbox/etc give you titlebars, ability to move, minimize, close, etc
[08:00] <BatmanX> ok  .. me thinks maryen is just being stupid now
[08:00] <LjL> maryen: you don't think the concept of a "window" in computing was invented by Microsoft, do you?
[08:00] <fdoving> maryen: they don't, they just don't care what microsoft does. unless they are server admins and have to cope with clients using it or something in that direction. :)
[08:00] <mhb> hey everyone
[08:00] <mhb> I have a really dumb question
[08:00] <maryen> windows is owned by microsoft
[08:00] <zorglu_> all that is very helpfull for support :)
[08:00] <LjL> maryen: the *program* called "Windows" (capital W) is a Microsoft product.
[08:00] <zorglu_> ok lets launch a language war
[08:00] <zorglu_> python is best
[08:00] <Samuli^> lol
[08:01] <maryen> that twm manages right?
[08:01] <Samuli^> maryen is just zinging with ou.
[08:01] <fdoving> let's get back on topic :)
[08:01] <linuxkid2> but windows are something invented by either apple or xerox. (which one?)
[08:01] <mhb> or maybe I don't
[08:01] <LjL> maryen: ok, i'm now also convinced that you're just trolling.
[08:01] <maryen> lol im no troll
[08:01] <fdoving> linuxkid2: not related to #kubuntu - please use #kubuntu-offtopic for non-support issues.
[08:02] <linuxkid2> I was just joining the conversation. :(
[08:02] <LjL> (linuxkid2: xeros)
[08:02] <LjL> x
[08:02] <maryen> mhb left
[08:02] <maryen> wonder why
[08:02] <fdoving> linuxkid2: sorry about that, but the whole conversation should take place in #kubuntu-offtopic. This was not to attack you.
[08:03] <linuxkid2> maryen: twm, evilwm and hackerbox are super-minimal window managers that give you nothing much more than window frames.
[08:04] <maryen> applets would be nice too
[08:04] <rance> can someone give me a hand with a problem, I want to configure cups on kubuntu to be a client of a cups server on another box, kubuntu doesnt come with a /etc/cups/client.conf file by default so I copied that file from that other box, and edited the "ServerName" variable to be what I wanted still kubuntu printer setup wants to load printers from localhost? what gives
[08:04] <maryen> but i guess thats just too fancy for twm
[08:04] <linuxkid2> maryen, then blackbox or fluxbox.
[08:06] <Mantits> does a black man used kubuntu?
[08:06] <maryen> mantis: huh?
[08:07] <Mantits> does a black man used kubuntu?
[08:07] <maryen> mantis: your mixing of past and present tense has blown my mind
[08:07] <Samuli^> lol
[08:07] <Mantits> sorry english is not my language
[08:07] <zorglu_> i heard vi is better that emacs, what do you think ?
[08:07] <maryen> nano rules all
[08:08] <linuxkid2> depends. vi is old anyways, vim is better
[08:08] <Mantits> is GNAA like GNU?
[08:08] <zorglu_> damn
[08:08] <linuxkid2> nano's nice
[08:08] <zorglu_> yep but vi is better than rubby too ?
[08:08] <linuxkid2> i've never used emacs myself
[08:08] <fdoving> rance: can't you just add the printer with 'system settings -> printers -> add' ?
[08:08] <zorglu_> because i heard emacs is better than python
[08:08] <zorglu_> so vi is better than rubby
[08:08] <simen> Hi, my systray dissapeared after upgrading to edfy eft, anyone have any ideas on how to get it back?
[08:09] <maryen> hur?
[08:09] <Samuli^> is nano better than gnome?
[08:09] <fdoving> rance: in the wizard you select 'remote cups server'
[08:09] <linuxkid2> huh? emacs is a text editor, and python is a script language. what's this?
[08:09] <fdoving> simen: try alt+f2 'dcop kicker kicker restart'
[08:09] <rance> ok, I didnt see that
[08:09] <LjL> zorglu_: visual basic rules the world
[08:09] <simen> already done that, seems as the systray aplet isnt installed
[08:09] <Mantits> i am go to sleep
[08:09] <Mantits> have a nice sleep
[08:10] <maryen> noooo
[08:10] <simen> what package should it be in?
[08:10] <maryen> i like kate
[08:10] <LjL> linuxkid2: you can most definitely write a text editor in a script language. though you'd probably need a text editor in the first place
[08:10] <Jucato> simen: did you try Add Applet to Panel?
[08:10] <maryen> oooo edgy has updates
[08:10] <maryen> come to papa
[08:10] <simen> LjL: echo "code" > myneweditor.py ;)
[08:10] <linuxkid2> LjL: I was just confused. he looked like he was comparing the two.
[08:10] <LjL> simen: yeah, cat might be handier though
[08:10] <maryen> awww only 2 packages
[08:11] <fdoving> simen: it's in the kicker package, and you really should have it installed.
[08:11] <Jucato> maryen: reinstall Edgy Knot 1 and then update so you'll have more packages :P
[08:11] <LjL> linuxkid2: and he was... just spitting nonsense on purpose :)
[08:11] <rance> fdoving: typically when you have a localhost cups server connected to a printer on a remote cups server there are problems when you have to maintain that printer, I find its easier to just set the cups client to look at the other box
[08:11] <maryen> hmmm... that sounds like a great idea!
[08:12] <maryen> or better yet, install hoary and upgrade to dapper!
[08:12] <fdoving> rance: isn't that what the local cups server will do? - look at the remote server?
[08:12] <Jucato> maryen: well, hoary > breezy > dapper > edgy
[08:12] <Jucato> you can't take shortcuts
[08:12] <fdoving> rance: i -think- that's what it does, not sure though.. don't have a printere here.
[08:12] <Jucato> or at least not from breezy to edgy
[08:12] <maryen> ok update to breezy then dapper
[08:13] <maryen> thats like 2x the package updating fun
[08:13] <rance> fdoving: I'll try it and see, in the past that hasnt worked the way that I would like
[08:13] <fdoving> rance: ok, i understand what you want.
[08:13] <simen> the systray applet was in kicker-applets package for some obscure reason
[08:13] <simen> got it installed, thanks for the help
[08:13] <maryen> bye
[08:16] <maryen> zzzzz
[08:16] <Jucato> :)
[08:17] <maryen> i think ill take a nap
[08:17] <maryen> daytime is not my friend
[08:17] <Jucato> heh.. I need to sleep now too
[08:18] <fdoving> bye.
[08:18] <maryen> bye
[08:18] <fdoving> have a nice nap :)
[08:18] <Jucato> bye everyone! fdoving thanks for the tip/guide :)
[08:18] <fdoving> Jucato: did it work?
[08:20] <troy> hey, is anyone on edgy? Did gmail stop working in konq for you?
[08:21] <fdoving> works for me.
[08:21] <narasim_7> what package do i need to extract a rar archive?
[08:21] <fdoving> narasim_7: unrar-nonfree or p7zip
[08:22] <troy> fdoving: it used to work for me (using Firefox 1.5 user agent string), but now it just times out... firefox still works as expected, so it's not a network issue...
[08:22] <narasim_7> fdoving: thanks
[08:22] <fdoving> troy: i'll check again.. hold on.
[08:23] <fdoving> troy: yes, it works.
[08:23] <troy> fdoving: which UA string are you sending?
[08:23] <troy> fdoving: (and are you using the basic html display, as opposed to the javascript fancified version?)
[08:24] <fdoving> troy: for gmail.com i send firefox 1.5.0.4
[08:24] <fdoving> troy: and yes, i use the cool version.
[08:25] <troy> fdoving: okay, I'll try nuking konq's settings and see if that helps
[08:33] <troy> no change...
[08:34] <markeib> is there no package to install opera?
[08:35] <MotorCityMadMan> markeib: there is
[08:35] <markeib> oh
[08:35] <markeib> i'm stupid then ^^
[08:35] <ed_> can anyone help me learn hoe to connect with a modem?
[08:36] <ironfroggy> how can i get xvideo extension configured?
[08:36] <markeib> what's the name of it, then MotorCityMadMan?
[08:37] <troy> it's in multiverse, methinks
[08:37] <BonBonTheJon> markeib: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[08:37] <MotorCityMadMan>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:38] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: install the proper video driver
[08:38] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: 'xvinfo' to get the info about it
[08:38] <MotorCityMadMan> markeib: deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free
[08:38] <ironfroggy> zorglu_: not sure what i do with that info. ive got the right driver and all.
[08:39] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: "xvinfo | grep ports" gives you what results
[08:39] <BonBonTheJon> ed_: try looking at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_identify_Modem_chipset
[08:39] <MotorCityMadMan> markeib: or deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main
[08:40] <ironfroggy> zorglu_: im sorry but i dont know what that is for. it says 'number of ports: 1
[08:40] <ironfroggy> zorglu_: and port base: 73. am i to use that somehow?
[08:40] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: this mean you already got xv extention
[08:40] <ironfroggy> then why do videos play blue?
[08:41] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: that i dunno
[08:41] <ironfroggy> :-/
[08:41] <troy> well, clearing konq's cache fixed it, so that's weird...;
[08:41] <zorglu_> ironfroggy: at least, now you knows it is due to the lack of xv
[08:42] <zorglu_> try other player and other video
[08:42] <dennister> howdy pps
[08:43] <dennister> is everyone asleep?
[08:43] <BonBonTheJon> nope
[08:43] <dennister> hi bonbon :-)
[08:43] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[08:43] <dennister> how r ya this fine chilly day?
[08:43] <BonBonTheJon> a little cold
[08:44] <dennister> yeah...my heat's not on yet, so i opened the oven door
[08:44] <dennister> where are u?
[08:44] <tony_> hello.. can i use wireless  USB Network adapter with linux without any problmes
[08:44] <BonBonTheJon> cincinnati
[08:44] <dennister> <-----Toronto...hi tony
[08:44] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: what chipset?
[08:45] <tony_> USB is trendnet
[08:45] <tony_> i want to buy one .. so i thout i ask befoe
[08:45] <tony_> MONTREAL <<<<<<<
[08:45] <dennister> howdy neightbour!
[08:45] <tony_> good.. how you doing
[08:46] <dennister> cold
[08:46] <tony_> sunny and cold over here too
[08:46] <tony_> :)
[08:46] <Samuli^> how cold is cold?
[08:46] <dennister> tony: there's a list of compatible hardware for ur distro
[08:46] <tony_> not as cold but you got to have a jacket on
[08:46] <BonBonTheJon> tony_: looks like you probably can use it
[08:46] <Samuli^> around 0 C here.
[08:47] <BonBonTheJon> Samuli^: where are you at?
[08:47] <tony_> i also get this error message when i boot , something about my boot loader is different from backup
[08:47] <Samuli^> that's when water freezes if you don't know your celciuses :)
[08:47] <Samuli^> Finland bonbon. ;)
[08:47] <BonBonTheJon> Samuli^: oh, no wonder its cold
[08:47] <dennister> look: i'm having a problem opening a folder...i can see it, but root konsole keeps telling me it doesn't exist when i try to open it or the files inside
[08:48] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: are you using konqueror to open it?
[08:48] <dennister> it's named funny, too, a number, space, "Retail"...more numbers with periods
[08:48] <tony_> there is a different between your bootsectore and its backup .. how should i fix this ??
[08:48] <Samuli^> dennister, could it be that the folder doesn't have +x permission?
[08:49] <dennister> in root konsole it's colored blue
[08:49] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: put a \ in front of the space
[08:49] <Samuli^> dennister, i think folder
[08:49] <Samuli^> 's need that.
[08:51] <dennister> k, tried renaming it but konsole told me "illegal octal digit 9"
[08:51] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: if you are in consolue, you can hit tab to autocomplete the name
[08:52] <dennister> the permissions in konq are drwxr-xr-x
[08:53] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: permissions are ok
[08:53] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: what's the ownership of the folder
[08:53] <dennister> then why can't I open it in root terminal?
[08:53] <dennister> root, and i am in root terminal
[08:53] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: type the beginnign of the name and hit tab to autocomplete
[08:53] <zorglu_> dennister: what is the name of this folder
[08:54] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: or put \ in front of the space in the name
[08:56] <dennister> i'm in!
[08:56] <BonBonTheJon> good
[08:57] <MetaMorfoziS> have anybody succesfully installed firefox rc2 with working mplayer plugin?
[09:00] <dennister> finally! was able to copy those files into where i needed them
[09:00] <dennister> now let's hope all that hell was gone thru with the writer driver ;-)
[09:01] <dennister> u don't know what i went through b4 i cam in here, lol
[09:01] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: its amazing what you can find out if you ask around
[09:01] <dennister> <-------still working on her ivtv drivers
[09:02] <dennister> yeah...but once when i came in here someone was helping me...and then told me he couldn't hold my hand...i should read
[09:02] <dennister> <---------does read b4 asking
[09:03] <dennister> the problem with the umpteen howtos about ivtv drivers is that they're almost all out of date, or u can't find the files in the ftp or http sites they direct you to
[09:06] <nightstar> ciao a tutti !
[09:06] <tony_> Guys, i get this message duing boot
[09:06] <tony_> dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
[09:06] <tony_> There are differences between boot sector and its backup.
[09:06] <tony_> Differences: (offset:original/backup)
[09:06] <menace> i've heard about a lot of people having trouble with the flashplugin-nonfree package. and i think thats what's wrong with some of my applications. could someone please tell me how to fix this?
[09:06] <tony_> im trying to use dosfsck , using interactive, should i copy backup to original ??? would this fix the problme
[09:08] <nightstar> hi guys
[09:08] <BonBonTheJon> hi nightstar
[09:08] <nightstar> i have problem with Kmail
[09:09] <BonBonTheJon> nightstar: what is it
[09:09] <dennister> does anyone else have any exp with ivtv drivers?
[09:09] <tony_> i guess no one knows
[09:09] <tony_> :(
[09:09] <zorglu_> tony_: you get that *during* linux boot ?
[09:09] <tony_> yes
[09:09] <nightstar> i can't download the mail
[09:09] <tony_> i have both window and linux
[09:09] <BonBonTheJon> nightstar: can you get on the internet
[09:09] <tony_> grub installed and after selecting boot linux , i get that
[09:10] <nightstar> the program say : command pass failure
[09:10] <BonBonTheJon> nightstar: if you aren't on the computer
[09:10] <nightstar> i can connect in the internet
[09:10] <zorglu_> tony_: seems weird that you got that when you boot linux
[09:10] <tony_> i have no problme booting window..
[09:11] <zorglu_> tony_: ohhhh you just installed window or something ?
[09:11] <tony_> i checked ubuntu forum and solution was to run dosfcsk .. but im not pretty sure
[09:11] <tony_> no
[09:11] <BonBonTheJon> nightstar: what does the status bar at the bottom say as its trying to check mail
[09:11] <tony_> i installed window first
[09:11] <zorglu_> tony_: did it ever worked ?
[09:11] <tony_> then linux on different partition been working well untill recently
[09:11] <nightstar> what can i do ?
[09:12] <dennister> k...i'm off for now...cya later
[09:12] <BonBonTheJon> dennister: bye
[09:12] <tony_> worked very well no problme.. i guess that happned when installed mysql aministration program in lunx and that crashed on me
[09:12] <zorglu_> tony_: wild guess, some misconfiguration in grub
[09:12] <zorglu_> tony_: nothing that mysql admin should change tho
[09:13] <tony_> but it crashed linux
[09:13] <tony_> :|
[09:13] <BonBonTheJon> nightstar: what does the status bar say when the error happens
[09:13] <tony_> should i copy the backup to original ??
[09:13] <tony_> using dosfsck
[09:13] <tony_> ?
[09:13] <zorglu_> likely ... not sure tho
[09:13] <zorglu_> that what i would do
[09:13] <zorglu_> tony_: give the url of the forum where you saw that
[09:14] <tony_> hold on
[09:14] <tony_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32531
[09:15] <zorglu_> looking
[09:15] <tony_> based on forum , seems many got same problme as i do :) .
[09:15] <zorglu_> tony_: you are on live cd, now
[09:15] <zorglu_> ?
[09:15] <tony_> no, in full installation
[09:15] <zorglu_> hmm im lost
[09:16] <tony_> i can boot to linux , but during boot, i get that message ..
[09:16] <zorglu_> how did you boot
[09:16] <zorglu_> ah ok
[09:16] <tony_> thrugh grub
[09:16] <tony_> boots ok, but just boot gets out of boot splash , and shows that message , and then starts with normal boot
[09:17] <zorglu_> tony_: ok can you paste your /etc/fstab in pastebin
[09:17] <zorglu_> !pastebin
[09:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[09:17] <LjL> tony_: that message is usually harmless
[09:17] <zorglu_> or another
[09:17] <LjL> tony_: i got it too, and you can run dosfsck to fix it
[09:17] <tony_> im not very good with linux , so no clue as how to get that info from fstab.
[09:17] <LjL> tony_: if your system doesn't boot, however, that's another story, but i'm not sure it'd be related to that message
[09:18] <tony_> my system boots ok..
[09:18] <tony_> just the message , and it says it can not fix that automatically
[09:18] <tony_> i can only fix that using dosfcsk using interactive
[09:18] <tony_> but im not sure if i should copy the backup to original or original to back up
[09:19] <markeib> hello, when my webcam is connected as i boot my pc i have no sound because the mic of the webcam is recognised as a "soundcard" i think. is there a way to have the webcam connected while booting and still have sound?
[09:19] <LjL> tony_: yes, do that. run "sudo dosfsck -ar /dev/whatever"
[09:19] <c4__> hi guys
[09:19] <LjL> tony_: when asked, select option number 1 (i.e. overwrite the backup with the original)
[09:19] <zorglu_> tony_: have you tried to put a 1 in the last field (pass)
[09:19] <tony_> no..
[09:19] <zorglu_> a 0 i meant
[09:19] <LjL> zorglu_: that sh
[09:19] <LjL> ah nevermind
[09:19] <tony_> i tought to first ask you  guys before i do anything
[09:20] <LjL> tony_: putting a 0 there will simply bypass the filesystem check. you might want to do that -- the system will probably boot a little faster
[09:20] <zorglu_> tony_: wise decision
[09:20] <LjL> tony_: though the dosfsck thing will fix the problem
[09:20] <zorglu_> tony_: LjL: yep it is more a workaround that a fix
[09:21] <LjL> zorglu_: i've done both things, myself.
[09:21] <zorglu_>  sudo dosfsck -ar /dev/hdc1
[09:21] <zorglu_> 
[09:21] <zorglu_>  Choose to make the original the backup (option 1 I think), and then choose "Y".
[09:21] <LjL> yep
[09:21] <zorglu_> LjL: oh ok
[09:21] <zorglu_> tony_: then follow ljl advices, as im just guessing here :)
[09:21] <tony_> ok , i used sudo dosfsck -ar /dev/hda1 and now i have to choose the option ,, 1, 2 or 3 (no action) which one to use?
[09:22] <LjL> 1
[09:22] <zorglu_> 1) Copy original to backup
[09:22] <tony_> ok , hold on .. will do that now
[09:22] <tony_> now asking perform changes ? y / n
[09:22] <tony_> shold i go with Y ?
[09:23] <LjL> yes
[09:23] <tony_> OK.. i will boot later to window and then linux ,,and will let you guys know :)
[09:23] <zorglu_> test it now while it is hot :)
[09:24] <c4__> anyone know how to fix a corrupted/messed up flashplugin-nonfree?
[09:24] <uncannybuzzard> hey, does anyone know how to run gnome 2.16 once garnome is finished building it?
[09:26] <c4__> i guess noone knows?
[09:26] <BonBonTheJon> c4__: only idea is uninstall then reinstall
[09:26] <c4__> i tried that
[09:26] <c4__> but it still doesnt work
[09:27] <zorglu_> c4__: tried a 'dpkg --configure -a' ?
[09:27] <c4__> no i havnt...good idea
[09:27] <zorglu_> and have you installed it thru adept ?
[09:27] <c4__> synaptic
[09:27] <zorglu_> ok, dunno about synaptic but i know adept got issue with stuff which require license approval
[09:28] <dinosaur> hi
[09:28] <c4__> zorglu_: all that did was bring up a new prompt
[09:28] <c4__> the dpkg configure thing
[09:28] <zorglu_> i dunno if it is the case here, but in doubt you may try to install it by hand <- c4__
[09:28] <zorglu_> c4__: is the stuff still broken ?
[09:28] <mirjam> hi all
[09:28] <c4__> yes, frostwire wont run,, and i cant watch movies on youtube
[09:29] <mirjam> I'm new to Ubuntu and I wondered howto add mp3 support?
[09:29] <dinosaur> is installing ia32 package enough for running 32-bit apps?
[09:29] <c4__> !mp3
[09:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:29] <zorglu_> i have yet install flash on mine...
[09:29] <c4__> there you are mirjam
[09:29] <c4__> ok.
[09:29] <BonBonTheJon> !ia32
[09:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ia32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:29] <tony_> ok, im back
[09:29] <tony_> :)
[09:30] <tony_> problme seems to been fixed now :)
[09:30] <tony_> but one more question
[09:30] <tony_> why do i get out of boot splash , either when i boot or during shootdown?
[09:30] <c4__> zorglu_: i had this problem on my old computer and i came here and someone walked me through fixing it. it used a lot of konsole commands...got any ideas on what they told me to do?
[09:30] <zorglu_> c4__: nope :(
[09:30] <LjL> tony_: i'm not sure what you mean there
[09:30] <c4__> k
[09:31] <tony_> when booting kubuntu, you get that splash screen showing devices loading and OK to the side.. but at one point i lose that and end up in consol look boot sequence
[09:32] <c4__> wtf. now the scroll bar on firefox looks corrupted
[09:32] <fleissigfiona> my hp printer keeps spurting out blank pages when i want to print
[09:32] <c4__> fleissigfiona: out of ink?
[09:32] <TowerKeeper> yo yo
[09:32] <fleissigfiona> no
[09:33] <c4__> have you set up the printer?
[09:33] <fleissigfiona> just continual pages going straight through
[09:33] <fleissigfiona> yes
[09:33] <c4__> idk
[09:33] <TowerKeeper> i need to know which driver kubuntu is using to operate my wlan
[09:33] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: what are you printing from? what app?
[09:33] <uncannybuzzard> anyone know how to boot to a new gnome installation after running garnome?
[09:33] <fleissigfiona> ive tried on kpdf and kview
[09:34] <fleissigfiona> using the kde print thing
[09:34] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: try 'cat /usr/share/cups/data/testprint.ps | lp' from a konsole and see if the testpage prints.
[09:35] <markeib> why won't icon themes apply everywhere immediately?
[09:35] <fleissigfiona> lp: Error - no default destination available.
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: if that doesn't print then there's a driver problem. It could be that the driver that came with kubuntu is assumed working, but really doesn't, and you'll want to see if you can find a new ppd from linuxprinting.org.
[09:35] <fleissigfiona> ok
[09:35] <tony_> i think i switch to window.. linux seems too complicated for now :( ..
[09:35] <dinosaur> so what about x86 support?
[09:35] <zorglu_> q. why my eclipse leaks memory like crazy ?
[09:35] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: okay, that means that you haven't set a printer to default, which you can do from the printer control panel by right clicking and set user default.
[09:36] <tony_> i tried eclips . and was very slow on my ssytem and i just removed it
[09:36] <zorglu_> tony_: which cpu/ram you got
[09:36] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: or you could use lp -d [name of printer] , you can get a list of printers installed on your system with lpstat -t, it will also show you what jobs might be waiting.
[09:36] <fleissigfiona> oh yeah i forgot, i just uninstalled it and im just putting it back one
[09:36] <mirjam> ok, thank you for pointing to the mp3 support! :)
[09:36] <tony_> AMD Athelon.. 64 , with 1 gig ddr 2
[09:36] <zorglu_> tony_: you have to run with with java sun tho :)  the gnu one is way too slow to run it
[09:37] <zorglu_> tony_: ok so the issue was the java used
[09:37] <mirjam> I want to convert movies from divx to a different format, can anyone suggest me software?
[09:37] <zorglu_> mirjam: meconder/ffmpeg are able to do that
[09:37] <zorglu_> mencoder even
[09:37] <tony_> yehh, but im looking for good editor somethinglike  dreamweaver for linux.. thatas why i still use window
[09:37] <mirjam> zorglu_: are those easy programs?
[09:37] <LeeJunFan> ffmpeg is
[09:38] <mirjam> is that a nice gui?
[09:38] <c4__> does anyone know of a program that can burn .iso files to a CD?
[09:38] <zorglu_> tony_: ok, ubuntu want you to be happy :)
[09:38] <mirjam> I want point-and-click :)
[09:38] <zorglu_> c4__: k3b
[09:38] <c4__> thanks zorglu
[09:38] <zorglu_> !info k3b
[09:38] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: no, but there probably is one if you search in adept for ffmpeg
[09:38] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.12.14-0ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 3941 kB, installed size 8376 kB
[09:38] <mirjam> LeeJunFan: adept?
[09:38] <tony_> so far, installed ubuntu like 5 times for past three weeks that i got it . hehhe
[09:38] <c4__> awsome. this is just like nero
[09:39] <tony_> one too many consol works . :( ..
[09:39] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: man ffmpeg  --- it's simple, why have a GUI for something you don't need one for?
[09:39] <mirjam> LeeJunFan: I hated DOS interfaces, I'm not going to start now
[09:39] <tony_> how you guys deal with copy protected Movies ??? is there a ripper for linux ????
[09:39] <tony_> just a question
[09:40] <LeeJunFan> !css
[09:40] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html  Libdvdcss can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:40] <c4__> !ktorrent
[09:40] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 738 kB, installed size 2964 kB
[09:40] <c4__> grrr i need a tutorial for ktorrent...i've never used torrents before
[09:40] <LjL> tony_, for the splash problem, it might sometimes happen that a command takes too long to execute, and the splash screen times out... it's not really a problem, it's just aesthetics
[09:40] <LjL> tony_: do try putting that "0" in the fstab -- dosfsck taking too long *could* possibly be the culprit
[09:40] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: it's just a couple options. You're missing out by not knowing the command line, that's where the true power of any OS lies.
[09:40] <tony_> c4__ is pretty easy . just start the program , do a search for what you want and download
[09:41] <zorglu_> c4__: what are your question, i implemented bt, so i got good knowledge of it :)
[09:41] <josh_> whats up guys
[09:41] <josh_> anyone in here use proftp?
[09:41] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: GUI's generally lack powerful options that command line allows otherwize there'd be 2000 buttons/switched on every app.
[09:41] <tony_> where can i find FSTAB ??? and how can i open it ?
[09:41] <josh_> etc/fstab
[09:42] <josh_> gedit / vim /nano
[09:42] <c4__> i just dont get the seeding and stuff.....zorglu: bt = backtrack?
[09:42] <tony_> ok . will do that now
[09:42] <mirjam> LeeJunFan: really, I don't have the patience for command line
[09:42] <zorglu_> c4__: nope, bt = bittorrent, sorry :)
[09:42] <LjL> tony_: "sudo nano /etc/fstab" will open it for editing
[09:42] <zorglu_> tony_: no more window, then ? :)
[09:42] <josh_> mirjam: commandline is quicker then the gui...
[09:42] <c4__> ooooh ok. thats cool
[09:42] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: I think theres a gtranscode that is a gui to transcode, but personally I find that more confusing than simply ffmpeg -i infile [outfile] .
[09:42] <c4__> am i the only one that feels like backtrack isnt stable?
[09:43] <c4__> lol
[09:43] <zorglu_> c4__: seeding is when you already got the totality of the file but you still offer it to other, thus they can download it faster
[09:43] <tony_> ok, but , what part of fstab should i change to 0 ?? all entries or there are specific entries
[09:43] <zorglu_> tony_: hue ? you already did that no ?
[09:44] <fleissigfiona> thanks LeeJunFan it works now :D
[09:44] <josh_> tony... first what are you trying to do in fstab?
[09:44] <LeeJunFan> fleissigfiona: cool, yer welcome.
[09:44] <tony_> no not yet.. i did open it ,. but i have few entry , all are 0 and some with 0 and 1 ..
[09:44] <josh_> first is dump second is pass
[09:44] <rahmetli> i have a program in tar.gz ,if i install it, am i going to be able to remove is from adept?
[09:44] <LjL> tony_: the one that refers to your FAT drive
[09:44] <trappist> rahmetli: no
[09:45] <LjL> tony_: i.e. the Windows partition(s)
[09:45] <rahmetli> trapp
[09:45] <c4__> do i want to download or save the torrent?
[09:45] <rahmetli> thanx
[09:45] <josh_> save the torrent
[09:45] <Manyfold>  i can't enable fast writes with my nvidia graphics card also it's supported by both bios and graphic card
[09:45] <c4__> k
[09:46] <josh_> that way you can pick it up later if you lose the connection
[09:46] <Manyfold> distro is ubuntu drapper
[09:46] <josh_> dapper
[09:46] <Manyfold> and nothing in the wiki works :(
[09:46] <Manyfold> yes dapper kubuntu
[09:46] <LeeJunFan> mirjam: I hate to say it but linux isn't really the OS for someone who is not willing to use command line.
[09:46] <josh_> LeeJunFan: couldn't have said that any better
[09:47] <Manyfold> nvidia driver is installed and nothing shows up in the logs
[09:47] <c4__> then i open the torrent file that i saved?
[09:47] <josh_> yep
[09:47] <josh_> just doubleclicking should do it
[09:47] <uncannybuzzard> has anyone updated gnome using garnome?
[09:47] <Manyfold> what can i do?
[09:47] <josh_> Manyfold: what are you trying to do?
[09:47] <tony_> done.. will reboot back to linux to see how it works , comming back in few seconds.
[09:48] <c4__> An error occurred while loading the torrent. The torrent is probably corrupt or is not a torrent file.
[09:48] <c4__> i got that error
[09:48] <Manyfold> well i installed the nvidia binary drive
[09:48] <Manyfold> r
[09:48] <josh_> ok
[09:48] <uncannybuzzard> anyone? garnome? ;)
[09:48] <josh_> ... whats the problem Manyfold
[09:48] <c4__> gah i gotta restart now...brb
[09:48] <Manyfold>  enabled agp gart and direct rendering in xorg conf
[09:48] <josh_> never used it uncannybuzzard
[09:49] <josh_> u trying to install qingy?
[09:49] <uncannybuzzard> bah. well, would you know anything about the scripting i need to point xwindows at an updated gnome?
[09:49] <josh_> nope... this is a kde chat... you might want ubuntu room... thats a gnome based desktop OS
[09:50] <josh_> they might be able to help you with your gnome issue
[09:50] <Manyfold>  i can't enable fast writes with my nvidia graphics card also it's supported by both bios and graphic card
[09:50] <uncannybuzzard> weird, my computer boots kubuntu, but the default GUI is gnome
[09:50] <Manyfold> that's the problem
[09:51] <Manyfold> the other problem is glxgears gives me an average fps of 400
[09:51] <LjL> uncannybuzzard: at the login screen, click on "Options" (or the icon on the left of the login/password textboxes), and select KDE as your session
[09:51] <josh_> uncanny, if you want kde you need to do "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" that will use kde desktop
[09:51] <tony_> well, things working well now :)
[09:51] <tony_> heheh
[09:51] <josh_> yeah or what ljl said
[09:51] <tobias__> hello lovely kubuntus
[09:52] <josh_> hello
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> josh_: hehe, that's too simple. I would have said to change /et/X11/default-display-manager
[09:52] <LeeJunFan> :)
[09:52] <uncannybuzzard> nah, i like gnome
[09:52] <josh_> lol LeeJunFan im going for simple
[09:52] <josh_> :)
[09:52] <Manyfold> no one can help me?
[09:52] <josh_> Manyfold: not me... i used the normal "nvidia-glx" drivers
[09:53] <tony_> is that driver any good
[09:53] <tobias__> :)
[09:53] <tony_> i can not undrestand how to install nvidia driver from nvidia site
[09:53] <josh_> worked for my 3ddesk....
[09:53] <Snake[Away] > Hey any package builders in here?
[09:54] <josh_> download it... then you will probably have to compile
[09:54] <dinosaur> tony_: tha's simple - download it and do "sudo path-to-downloaded-file"
[09:54] <dinosaur> *that
[09:54] <josh_> which reminds me i need to get build essentials :P
[09:54] <josh_> thanks for the reminder :)
[09:55] <tony_> downloading is ok.. but installing is different story , it keeps asking for all sort of stuff that need to be installed . including kernel and stuff
[09:55] <tony_> me no clue abut things like that
[09:55] <josh_> is it binary?
[09:55] <josh_> *source?
[09:55] <dinosaur> josh_: hehe, I've installed it before downloading development packages :)))
[09:55] <tony_> no. the extension is .run
[09:55] <josh_> then do what dinosaur said
[09:55] <tony_> is setup program of sort
[09:56] <josh_> what are some intersting programs out there?
[09:56] <josh_> i just did a fresh install on my 250 gig harddrive and i need too fill it :P
[09:57] <tony_> if i do with sudo downlaod .. i will still bedownloading same program .
[09:57] <josh_> no
[09:57] <josh_> u download it
[09:57] <tony_> humm. im more confused .. hehhehe
[09:57] <josh_> then from a terminal you would do "sudo /foo/bar" where /foo/bar = path to file
[09:57] <tony_> im talking about Nvidia driver for linux
[09:57] <josh_> yeah
[09:58] <tony_> that would install the driver for me ?
[09:58] <josh_> ok what graphics card do you have?
[09:58] <dinosaur> sudo NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-8774-pkg2.run
[09:58] <josh_> 6600 gt?
[09:58] <LjL> tony_: what (wasn't following), "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"? that will install the driver
[09:58] <LjL> tony_: though you'll then need to activate it
[09:58] <tony_>  Nvidia gEFORCE 7300 GS OC
[09:59] <Jonty> Has anyone had trouble with gsfonts-x11 when upgrading to the new Edgy beta?
[09:59] <josh_> wouldn't the normal "nvidia-glx" driver work?
[09:59] <tony_> On nvidia site, it says not to have glx if i m going to install thier driver
[09:59] <josh_> ahh
[09:59] <tony_> right now i have NV driver
[09:59] <josh_> gotcha
[10:00] <dinosaur> LjL: if I install pre-compiled driver with Adept, will it correctly replace already installed (manually) one?
[10:00] <Jonty> Can I force apt-get NOT to remove something automatically?
[10:00] <LjL> dinosaur: i don't know. which is why i do not recommend installing this kind of stuff manually
[10:00] <menace> how can i make the downloads on my bittorrent go faster? could i keep opening the torrent?
[10:00] <LjL> Jonty: what is it removing automatically?
[10:01] <josh_> nope menace
[10:01] <LjL> tony_, the driver that ships with ubuntu (nvidia-glx, not the plain nv) might not be the latest and greatest, but it'll probably be much simpler and safer to install than one downloaded externally
[10:01] <menace> k
[10:02] <keelbill> hi
[10:02] <dinosaur> LjL: I mean their installer and pre-compiled package may write files to different places... may be...
[10:02] <tony_> i see. ok.. can you agin point to on how to install nvidia-glx ???
[10:02] <keelbill> good afternoon everyone
[10:02] <Jonty> LjL: gsfonts-x11
[10:02] <josh_> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:02] <keelbill> anyone can point me to a repository for edgy that contains mplayer?
[10:02] <tony_> thats all there is ???
[10:02] <josh_> lol yep
[10:02] <LjL> dinosaur: i don't know what their installer does. if it's not giving you any problems, perhaps it's best to just leave things as their are...
[10:02] <Jonty> I'll pastebin the error I get - it's running the post-install/remove script but without arguments
[10:03] <keelbill> tony installing on edgy?
[10:03] <tony_> dapper
[10:03] <LjL> tony_: yes and no -- after that's done, you'll need to enable the driver (i.e. tell your system that you want to use the "nvidia-glx" driver rather than the plain "nv" driver)
[10:03] <keelbill> ok
[10:03] <tony_> installing now
[10:03] <tony_> how ot enable
[10:03] <tony_> to
[10:03] <LjL> tony_: that can be done from KDE's System Settings -- or failing that, you can edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and change the driver line from "nv" to "nvidia"
[10:03] <keelbill> on edgy it toome 3 minutes to install with the beta nvidia drivers
[10:04] <josh_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:04] <Jonty> LjL: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25925/
[10:04] <tony_> hold on
[10:04] <keelbill> ok i have uncommented the restricted modules repositories and still it can't find mplayer
[10:04] <LjL> Jonty: had you installed that package manually (i.e. using "sudo dpkg"), and did it complain about dependencies?
[10:05] <josh_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will walk you through all the steps, different display modes, drivers, monitors... whole 9
[10:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:05] <Admiral_Chicago> someone said my nick while i was afk...oh well
[10:06] <LjL> josh_: yeah, but that's probably not even needed... for just changing the driver, modifying xorg.conf manually is probably easier
[10:06] <tony_> im in system setting , display section and in nvidia section , i don't see in nvidia-glx ..
[10:06] <Jonty> LjL: No, it was during an upgrade to Edgy (which failed)
[10:06] <Jonty> so I'm in between the two
[10:06] <tony_> i see bunch of other NVIDIA driver
[10:06] <LjL> josh_: (or using the KDE settings is even easier, *if* it decides to work)
[10:06] <LjL> Jonty: agh
[10:06] <LjL> tony_: where?
[10:06] <Jonty> indeed
[10:06] <josh_> more then likely, but if his old card didn't support certain res. he might want to run through if he wants to use better ones
[10:07] <tony_> System setting>> Display and i selected hardware tab
[10:07] <Jonty> LjL: I had hoped there was some resolvable bug, but there apparently isn't: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/gsfonts-x11/+bugs
[10:07] <tony_> there i should be able to select driver i guess ????
[10:08] <LjL> tony_: yes
[10:08] <LjL> tony_: that tab does sometimes act up, though
[10:08] <LjL> tony_: anyway, in "Hardware", select your card, and choose "Proprietary driver" instead of the other option
[10:08] <Jonty> LjL: No, someone seems to have had a similar problem: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gsfonts-x11/+bug/52803
[10:09] <LjL> Jonty: i don't know what i'd do... besides trying some "sudo apt-get reinstall gsfonts-x11"...
[10:09] <tony_> ok .. , i have geforce 7300 , but i have no idea which one of those cards i have to select
[10:09] <Jonty> LjL: E: Invalid operation reinstall
[10:09] <Admiral_Chicago> tony_: nivdia
[10:09] <keelbill> install
[10:09] <keelbill> if it can be reinstalled install will work
[10:10] <tony_> Under Nvidia i have few hardwear selection
[10:10] <Jonty> LjL: It still fails :(
[10:10] <tony_> such as Nvidia geforce 256 , geforce2 DDR , etc
[10:11] <tony_> my nvidia is ddr2 , geforce 7300
[10:11] <samoth13> elo
[10:11] <LjL> Jonty: ah, sorry, that's aptitude syntax
[10:11] <LjL> Jonty: with apt-get it would be "sudo apt-get --reinstall install gsfonts-x11"
[10:11] <LjL> not that i really believe it will work though, mind you
[10:11] <samoth13> do you know where i can fin french?
[10:12] <mirjam> back :)
[10:12] <josh_> LjL: why not have him do a remove, clean and then a install?
[10:12] <rahmetli> "DISPLAY CHANGED: LCD on" what is this??  i dont press anything and i sometimes see this in the center of laptop's monitor suddenly and it disappears.
[10:12] <josh_> will --reinstall clean the old config files?
[10:12] <mirjam> How do I install the nvidia drivers? aka: how do I switch off X?
[10:12] <keelbill> nvidia beta drivers?
[10:12] <LjL> josh_: no it won't. i dunno, i'm just going by attempts... when i see APT breaking like that (which, fortunately, happens quite rarely here), i just pray and try fiddling around ;)
[10:13] <tony_> ohh, well, i give up,
[10:13] <josh_> gotcha
[10:13] <LjL> tony_: just leave the card model as it was
[10:13] <josh_> tony
[10:13] <tony_> i can not select any nvidia .. i keep getting VESA
[10:13] <josh_> just do this
[10:13] <mirjam> kejust the 8xxx drivers
[10:13] <josh_> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:13] <LjL> tony_: well, then select geforce2 DDR. seems like the closest match
[10:13] <josh_> once that is installed
[10:13] <josh_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and go through that
[10:14] <BatmanX> should just be able to run nvidia-glx-config also
[10:14] <larson9999> picked up a complete p4 tower(no monitor, etc) for $30 at the salvation army.  they were selling a p2 right next to it with a crappy monitor, mouse, and keyboard for $100
[10:14] <tony_> ok. i guess i have restart x server
[10:14] <silox> how do i setup a command to autostart in Gnome?
[10:14] <tony_> be back
[10:14] <heliotropo> holas
[10:15] <keelbill> holas
[10:15] <ja> Quick questions, I'm getting occasional hiccups in my audio playback. Which audio device are you do you use? (alsa / oss etc?)
[10:15] <rahmetli> larson9999 so?
[10:15] <jtholmes> silox: go to  #ubuntu  and ask the question
[10:15] <larson9999> rahmetli: just thought that was a good deal.
[10:16] <rahmetli> larson9999 it seems to be,sure of p4?
[10:16] <rahmetli> larson9999 :)
[10:16] <keelbill> i use both no problems here
[10:16] <larson9999> rahmetli: yeah.  and early one
[10:16] <keelbill> i mean i can switch form alsa to oss
[10:17] <rahmetli> larson9999 so what r u going to install?
[10:17] <ja> Hmm, okay thx keelbill.
[10:18] <Jonty> LjL: I finally got it sorted - apparently it's an issue with xfonts-utils - installed it with the --download-only option and then installed it directly
[10:18] <josh_> i need to figure out how to get my music to play through freenx....
[10:18] <josh_> this no music thing sucks donkey
[10:19] <zorglu_> josh_: from which os do you use freenx
[10:19] <larson9999> rahmetli: not sure.  i've been using kubuntu for a few months now and mandriva since the 1990's before that.  this is going to be an upgrade for my son's p3.  i'm thinking of going with mandriva 2007 since it comes with the jazzed up version of wine.  have to see how it handles mandriva though
[10:19] <josh_> windows :***(
[10:19] <zorglu_> josh_: hmm i would say you use http streaming from your linux box :)
[10:19] <larson9999> nx is a nice solution.  the fastest free thing i've use for the purpose
[10:20] <josh_> http streaming you say...
[10:20] <josh_> explain please :)
[10:20] <josh_> i like the sound of that
[10:20] <zorglu_> josh_: you need to get the actual sound of the box or just the song file in it ?
[10:20] <Lechero> 4 8 15 16 23 42
[10:20] <keelbill> any repository that contains mplayer for kbuntu edgy?
[10:20] <josh_> just the song file i have playing through amarok
[10:20] <zorglu_> Lechero: twice already, what are those numbers ?
[10:20] <rahmetli> larson9999 your son,how old is he? is he good at linux?
[10:20] <keelbill> i try to install and it says it's not found
[10:21] <zorglu_> josh_: can you drop ammarok and just get the song file from your window and play them there with a window player ?
[10:21] <Lechero> zorglu_: i must write that number each 108 minutes for save the world
[10:21] <samoth13> do you know how to do for gi on icq chanel?
[10:21] <samoth13> irc.icq.com
[10:21] <josh_> not that im aware of...
[10:22] <samoth13> on #french
[10:22] <larson9999> rahmetli: he's 5.  he's been using both linux and xp since he was 1.  could actually log in with his own userid and pw by 2.  all the whippersnappers take to them like they're appendiges(sp)
[10:22] <zorglu_> josh_: ok then use the 'file sharing' applet to share your song directory thru http and read that from a window player
[10:23] <larson9999> rahmetli: well, now he's only got linux on his computer. sometimes he uses my wife's laptop which has xp
[10:23] <josh_> how would i do taht through http?
[10:23] <zorglu_> josh_: put the url in the player, and it will play immediatly :)
[10:24] <zorglu_> josh_: you can even export playing list like that. .m3u
[10:24] <josh_> but i have to have it stream thru some sort of http server...
[10:24] <tony_> Thanks for your helps guys.. things are working well , i guess. :)
[10:24] <rahmetli> larson9999 lucky boy, i wished my father would know about linux when i was 1 :))
[10:24] <josh_> np tony_
[10:24] <tony_> so im off to buy a wireless network card for my system
[10:24] <zorglu_> josh_: yep, either you use the simple one called 'file sharing' applet
[10:25] <tony_> on other note, what you suggesst
[10:25] <tony_> USB . or PCI
[10:25] <tony_> wireless network controler
[10:25] <zorglu_> josh_: or you config yourself a appache2 and put them in the ~/public_html, all that very simple
[10:25] <zorglu_> josh_: very ... depends your current skill which i dunno/remmeber
[10:25] <rahmetli> larson9999 actually he doesnt know computer's letter "C"
[10:26] <zorglu_> josh_: on the other end you already got freenx running which implies some skills
[10:26] <zorglu_> josh_: so yeah i say very easy :)
[10:26] <larson9999> rahmetli: took him about 6 months to figure out moving the mouse moved something on the screen.  after that he took off like crazy.
[10:26] <josh_> lol
[10:26] <larson9999> rahmetli: who doesn't know 'computer's letter "C"'?
[10:26] <rahmetli> larson9999 my father
[10:26] <larson9999> rahmetli: oh
[10:27] <larson9999> rahmetli: i doubt mine does, either
[10:27] <josh_> ok... well looks like im off to set up apache then :P
[10:27] <josh_> talk to you later guys
[10:27] <rahmetli> larson9999 LOL
[10:27] <tony_> later josh_
[10:28] <keelbill> any repository that contains mplayer for kbuntu edgy?
[10:28] <keelbill> i try to install and it says it's not found
[10:28] <rahmetli> larson9999 you managed to teach your son,the best one ;)
[10:28] <tony_> what you  guys recommend ??? USB wireless network controller, or PCI network controller
[10:28] <keelbill> i don't like wireless anything it sucks for gaming
[10:29] <larson9999> Hawkwind: have you tried out mandriva 2007?  i was thinking about checking it out for the jazzed up version of wine that's supposed to come with it... for my son's computer.  curious if you've checked it out and had any thoughts?
[10:29] <tony_> im not gamer . .:)
[10:29] <tony_> just internet
[10:29] <tony_> thats all
[10:29] <keelbill> ok i don't like wireless cause i have a lot of packet loss when playing
[10:29] <tony_> but it sucks to open the pc and install the pci . and is more expansive
[10:29] <rahmetli> larson9999  how many years have you been dealing with linux?
[10:29] <larson9999> rahmetli: actually, i didn't teach him.  i just put it in his room and let his curiousity take over.
[10:30] <keelbill> but if you don't care about that then wireless is more practical
[10:30] <keelbill> i think you need the lrm for some wireless cards to work
[10:30] <tony_> i just need to move my wireless router out of where i am . .hehe. but need something that linux can recognize and work withought me configuring anything
[10:31] <keelbill> arrrggh damn mplayer won't install
[10:31] <larson9999> rahmetli: i installed it in 1997 for the first time and used it just a bit at first gradually increasing until about 2002 when I switched full time for personal use.  now i use windows only on someone else's computer or for work.
[10:31] <jtholmes> !schedule
[10:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Edgy schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[10:32] <tony_> hopefully when all major software developers start to port thier products to linux as well, everyone start to use linux :)
[10:33] <zorglu_> tony_: or the opposite :)
[10:33] <tony_> or atleast if dot net framework gets ported for linux :) ,
[10:33] <zorglu_> i call this problem the 'seeding problem' :)
[10:33] <jtholmes> tony_: they  wont go there unless there is a market and it is not there yet, but getting closer
[10:33] <rahmetli> larson9999 you do everything personal on linux then.
[10:33] <tony_> or the opposite..
[10:33] <tony_> more and more people getting on linux. im one of them .. been usiung window since dose
[10:33] <rahmetli> "DISPLAY CHANGED: LCD on" what is this??  i dont press anything and i sometimes see this in the center of laptop's monitor suddenly and it disappears.
[10:33] <tony_> dos
[10:33] <zorglu_> but ms is helping us quite a lot recently :)
[10:33] <larson9999> tony_: yeah but it doesn't matter so much to me.  i'm not tied to linux.  but i am tied to open source.  for instance if reactos would get to 1.0 i'd throw it into my OS rotation.
[10:34] <keelbill> Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:34] <keelbill> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:34] <keelbill> is only available from another source
[10:34] <jtholmes> tony_: yes but we are still the minority
[10:34] <larson9999> rahmetli: yep.  well, i just added freedos so i'm switching between linux and freedos
[10:34] <keelbill> what can i do to insta
[10:34] <keelbill> install
[10:34] <tony_> i guess, there are one too many distro out there .. people are allconfused,..
[10:35] <keelbill> i tried to download the ./configure make and make install but no luck
[10:35] <tony_> some ask me if linux will work with window ..
[10:35] <tony_> when i tell them is OS , they freak
[10:35] <hellsoul> hi
[10:35] <keelbill> i read that on tux magazine
[10:35] <keelbill> lol
[10:35] <tony_> keelbill, i lovce to use VLC .. you can install that for your multimedia
[10:35] <tony_> love
[10:36] <keelbill> VLC
[10:36] <keelbill> ok will try
[10:36] <tony_> will paly almost anything
[10:36] <hellsoul> someone can help me whit a little prob on GNOME?
[10:36] <rahmetli> larson9999 is reactos linux based?
[10:36] <keelbill> i like mplayer cause it plays anything
[10:36] <tony_> so do vlc
[10:36] <tony_> ALmost all MOVIE format
[10:36] <jtholmes> tony_: i am sure you had initial problems but you had some driving force to move to linux maybe to play etc.
[10:36] <dinosaur> oh, all those devel packages take so much space...
[10:36] <larson9999> rahmetli: nope.  it's a windows clone.  kinda like linux is a unix clone.
[10:36] <keelbill> it says E: Couldn't find package vcl
[10:37] <tony_> im not player .. but i think i like rock solid OS that is not crashing evey 10 minute or soo
[10:37] <rahmetli> larson9999 is it opensource?
[10:37] <hellsoul> need little help qhit gnome
[10:37] <tony_> but i use window , because i have Dreamweaver and dotnet framwork installed on it which i use
[10:37] <keelbill> my windo9ws isn't crashing every 10 minutes or so
[10:37] <keelbill> haven't crashed on me for like 2 years
[10:37] <larson9999> rahmetli: yep.  but i'm guessing it's about a year away from being REALLY useful.  if you consider being 1.0 of windows nt, usable.
[10:38] <keelbill> except for 3dsmax
[10:38] <keelbill> but that's autodesk's fault
[10:38] <keelbill> yet i like linux
[10:38] <jtholmes> tony_: however the majority of windows users view the os as a tool box and they have no desire to trade in the tool box they have become very use to for one  lacking in key tools and no tools at all for some jobs we have a long way to go but getting there
[10:38] <larson9999> rahmetli: they are starting to pick up steam on the developement of reactos so maybe kinda soon it'
[10:38] <larson9999> ll be useful.  some thing do run on it now though
[10:38] <keelbill> yeah and configuring and installing appz is sometimes confusing on linux
[10:39] <tony_> you are right jtholmes..
[10:39] <keelbill> many peeps stay away from it because of that
[10:39] <tony_> but i guess , linux can also benefit from apple  marketing ,
[10:39] <rahmetli> larson9999 you r waiting for it?
[10:39] <tony_> using very nice looking Computer and bundling linux on it :)
[10:39] <jtholmes> tony_: i was  never a windows bigot i was always looking for something more for x86 since I cut me teeth on Unix when at AT&T and linux filled that vacuum
[10:40] <keelbill> yeah bundled with beryl
[10:40] <keelbill> people freaks whet they watch my beryl box
[10:40] <larson9999> rahmetli: i don't know if that's the right word but basically i'll use just about any foss os that hit's v1.0
[10:40] <jtholmes> tony_: apple is a great machine especially since jobs converted to OSX I  am considering purchasing one for my wife
[10:40] <tony_> well im new to linux myself, only 3 weeks old. .:) , so far , beside some minor newbee problmes, i had no problmes .. using tools that i needed like apache and mysql and been working wonderfully
[10:41] <keelbill> tony not everyone is computer savy
[10:41] <cvacubo> Good evening.
[10:41] <keelbill> most peeps will need help even to login
[10:41] <tony_> they look more like conversation pieces :) , i like the way they look , but someone told me MACOSX iis build on Linux kernel
[10:41] <jtholmes> tony_: apache is very mature in the web area it has the largest market share of servers, bar none
[10:41] <tony_> not sure if that is true
[10:41] <tony_> thats right ..
[10:42] <tony_> im using apchae and mysql and php for my site and developing stuff. ( new to php )
[10:42] <larson9999> mac os is derived from bsd.
[10:42] <jtholmes> tony_: as far as i know  OSX  is composed of  mach kernel, some bsd and Jobs own (excellent) Next Step os (next step was a marketing failure)
[10:42] <tony_> didn't know that .
[10:43] <rahmetli> i didnt know that also
[10:43] <larson9999> for me, mac came to the unix dance a bit too late.  and it's still too expensive and in many ways even less free than windows
[10:43] <tony_> i guess, when apple never allwoed clonning , that realy kild it products.
[10:43] <tony_> but now gaining good foot,, due to designe of thier computer
[10:43] <jtholmes> larson9999: i thought i saw a Mac desktop for about $1100 was I wrong
[10:43] <tony_> i like to have apple , just because is pretty :)
[10:43] <larson9999> well, there were some apple clones.  i have one.
[10:44] <tony_> yes. they came too late. i guess :)
[10:44] <larson9999> jtholmes: that's too expensive for me :)
[10:44] <tony_> window got where it is because of IBM clons
[10:44] <rahmetli> i dont have one but i am ok with kubuntu :)
[10:44] <larson9999> jtholmes: i just bought a desktop for $400
[10:44] <tony_> :)
[10:44] <jtholmes> larson9999: ok i was just comparing to the original  $3000 laptops which i was not going to buy
[10:44] <cvacubo> I want help Kubuntu. And I create Lila deb-package. But I don't know what I need to do for send or upload my deb-package to Kubuntu Community. Maybe you can help me ?
[10:45] <tony_> kubuntu is my first linux installatin , and to my surprise was fast and easy ..
[10:45] <larson9999> jtholmes: but it's the non-freedom of the OS that would prevent me from going OS X even if i had all the cash in the world.
[10:45] <duane> pclinuxos is an easier install than kubuntu by far imo
[10:45] <duane> it's better out the box than kubuntu too
[10:46] <Samuli^> duane, how could it even be? :)
[10:46] <larson9999> jtholmes: i don't buy laptops either for the same reason.  too expensive for the horsepower.
[10:46] <duane> Samuli^: i dunno, i've just always found PCLOS's more intuitive
[10:46] <keelbill> anything easir than kubuntu?
[10:46] <tony_> anyways, im out to get me wireless controller , so wish me luck i get something that would work out of box with linux :):)::)
[10:46] <jtholmes> larson9999: i   cant argue w/that but i would go to it for my wife as  i hear it is very trouble free and has many built in features, me I will stick with linux of some flavor
[10:46] <duane> yeah, im using kubuntu now
[10:46] <keelbill> lol this time i didn't have to do anything
[10:46] <Samuli^> I don't buy laptops because i'm then restricted to the keyboard and monitor.
[10:46] <keelbill> just set timezone and keyboard layout
[10:46] <duane> PCLOS deals with partitions easier
[10:46] <rahmetli> tony_ LOL
[10:47] <Samuli^> if one of them fails the laptop is useless.
[10:47] <duane> like if you already have a linux partition
[10:47] <keelbill> ok
[10:47] <jtholmes> tony_: look on teh linux wireless page to see what works
[10:47] <duane> PCLOS is also setup alot better out the box than kubuntu
[10:47] <keelbill> i actually already had my reiser and swap partitions
[10:47] <tony_> will do that .
[10:47] <larson9999> yeah, those wife thingies.
[10:47] <duane> i hate how ugly the fonts are out the box on kubuntu
[10:47] <duane> and PCLOS comes with mp3, and video playback support out the box
[10:47] <keelbill> i will check PCLOS then
[10:47] <rahmetli> "DISPLAY CHANGED: LCD on" what is this??  i dont press anything and i sometimes see this in the center of laptop's monitor suddenly and it disappears.
[10:48] <duane> and to install graphics drivers all you got to do is install a package and restart x
[10:48] <jtholmes> Samuli^: keyboard yes monitor most laptops have a port for external monitor
[10:48] <duane> pclos just doesnt work with my wireless card
[10:48] <duane> so i'm on kubuntu and i just made it look just like pclos
[10:48] <Samuli^> jtholmes, I'm pretty sure they have port for keyboard too, if they don't that's pretty bad engineering IMO.
[10:48] <duane> so it's not much a difference since pclos uses synaptic and apt also
[10:48] <Samuli^> but still, it's not a laptop with external monitor anymore.
[10:49] <duane> pclos is just easier to setup out the box that's the reason why i like it
[10:49] <jtholmes> Samuli^: true but i like mine for traveling it is great
[10:49] <rahmetli> duane is pclos adebian clone?
[10:49] <Samuli^> I don't travel that much :)
[10:49] <rahmetli> duane is pclos a debian clone?
[10:49] <keelbill> bah mine looks much better than pclos
[10:50] <keelbill> still if it comes with video and mp3 will be very atractive for new users
[10:50] <duane> rahmetli: it's a fork of mandrake
[10:50] <keelbill> specially if partitioning is as easy as he says
[10:50] <duane> uses rpm
[10:50] <luka80> hi, where i download amule? u know a link?
[10:50] <rahmetli> keelbill it will never come i think :)
[10:51] <luka80> amule for kubuntu
[10:51] <duane> holy crap i got 9 gigs on my linux partition
[10:51] <duane> where'd that come from :)
[10:51] <ubuntu__> hi guys
[10:52] <rahmetli> duane where?? tell us so we can have the same 9 gigs :))
[10:52] <duane> i wish it was that easy
[10:52] <duane> hehe
[10:52] <keelbill> i only have 6gb for my linux partition the rest is winblows
[10:53] <rittap> is it dangerous to make a partition on a hard drive where part is partitioned and part is not?
[10:53] <dennister> i'm baaaaaaack
[10:53] <dennister> hi all
[10:54] <keelbill> ok i try to install VCL with apt-get and it can't find it
[10:54] <rahmetli> duane should we use rsync for the same 9 gigs? :)))
[10:54] <duane> lol sure why not
[10:54] <duane> keelbill: after I fix my windows partition i'm going to allot more space towards linux than windows
[10:55] <keelbill> yeah id like that too
[10:55] <rittap> I want to make a linux partitioning on a non-partitioned part of my hard drive, the other part is partitioned with windows..
[10:55] <duane> i honestly dont use windows for anything but to use this program to dj parties
[10:55] <rittap> is that secure?
[10:55] <keelbill> but somehow my games run crappier on linux than windows
[10:55] <keelbill> also i have software that won't run on linux
[10:55] <duane> <--not a gamer
[10:55] <duane> so i dont have that problem
[10:56] <keelbill> so i'm forced to stay on windows
[10:56] <rahmetli> duane which program to dj parties?
[10:56] <duane> yeah i think everyone must use windows for something
[10:56] <dennister> i'm trying to load some modules, and i'm getting errors that they don't exist
[10:56] <keelbill> yeah that sucks
[10:56] <duane> rahmetli: a program called djdecks
[10:56] <duane> www.djdecks.be
[10:56] <rahmetli> duane is it opensource
[10:56] <duane> nope
[10:57] <rahmetli> "DISPLAY CHANGED: LCD on" what is this??  i dont press anything and i sometimes see this in the center of laptop's monitor suddenly and it disappears.
[10:57] <dennister> <-----would like to use windows, but can't cause her disk is cracked
[10:57] <dennister> so here I am trying to load ivtv :-(
[10:57] <rittap> hmm
[10:57] <rittap> @dennister disk is cracked?
[10:57] <dennister> yep...disk 1 of xp media center edition
[10:58] <dennister> lovely little 1/2 inch split from center
[10:58] <rittap> @dennister bummer, no backups??
[10:59] <rittap> @dennister or other less-legal ways :)
[10:59] <dennister> it's been over a week now with no tv...nope...hard to backup a holographed disk set
[10:59] <rittap> ow darn
[10:59] <fdoving> hint #kubuntu-offtopic hint.
[10:59] <dennister> my oem is trying to get me some replacement media
[10:59] <dennister> hey fdoving! :-)
[10:59] <rittap> okay that's service
[11:00] <fdoving> hi dennister.
[11:00] <dennister> how is my savior?
[11:00] <dennister> <---loves fdoving
[11:00] <rahmetli> "DISPLAY CHANGED: LCD on" what is this??  i dont press anything and i sometimes see this in the center of laptop's monitor suddenly and it disappears.
[11:01] <dennister> fdoving: can u help me with my ivtv drivers? I've been struggling with them and howtos for 2 days now
[11:01] <rittap> @rahmetli maybe some screen setting?
[11:02] <fdoving> dennister: i doubt that, don't know much about ivtv.
[11:02] <rahmetli> rittap i dont know,it started to irritate me :(
[11:02] <fdoving> dennister: maybe someone else here does.
[11:02] <dennister> can't load the modules into /proc/modules
[11:02] <dennister> anyone?
[11:02] <fdoving> dennister: what's the modulename?
[11:03] <dennister> there are 4: msp3400, cx25840, wm8775, and saa7127
[11:03] <dennister> aka almost all of them
[11:03] <dennister> lol
[11:04] <dennister> <------doesn't even know where they might be to copy them over
[11:04] <ErikTheRed> are you trying to have the modules autoload on startup?
[11:04] <dennister> i'm definitely closer...but...yes i am erik
[11:05] <ErikTheRed> can you modprobe them currently?
[11:05] <dennister> i believe so, but not sure
[11:05] <dennister> i don't get any error message when i try to modprobe
[11:05] <ErikTheRed> yeah they're working then
[11:05] <dennister> amazzing
[11:05] <ErikTheRed> you'll want to add the names of all the modules to /etc/modules
[11:06] <ErikTheRed> that'll take care of autostarting them
[11:06] <dennister> and where are they located? i'm afraid i'll get 10 million results if i do a locate
[11:07] <ErikTheRed> you don't need to know where they are
[11:07] <ErikTheRed> you just edit /etc/modules with a text editor and add each one's name on a seperate line
[11:07] <dennister> ahhhhh...k, brb
[11:07] <fdoving> rahmetli: take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21808.html
[11:08] <xwolf-> i'm having a problem here. i type my login+password but ksplash won't start. it goes back to login/password request form
[11:08] <rahmetli> fdoving thanks,i am checking
[11:09] <rittap> @xwolf is this your first startup?
[11:09] <xwolf-> nope. i was just using it. then i put a dvd on and clicked its icon so it would get mounted+acessed through konqueror. when i came back, the pc was down
[11:10] <xwolf-> i turned it on and now it won't start graphically. i'm using irssi here.
[11:11] <xwolf-> rittap: sorry. it's up there /\
[11:11] <rittap> lol
[11:12] <rittap> thats kinda weird
[11:12] <rittap> tried to reboot??
[11:12] <dennister> k, the're all in /etc/modules now...even 2 saa files, lol...that'll be an error for sure
[11:13] <xwolf-> no. i guessed a reboot wouldn't do since it was already off.
[11:13] <xwolf-> but i'll reboot just to double check.
[11:13] <xwolf-> exit
[11:14] <dennister> now i'm gonna have to reboot, and something different should happen when i try to load them all
[11:14] <dennister> be back soon with a report
[11:15] <steakhades> deutsch???
[11:15] <rittap> #kubuntu-de
[11:15] <rittap> :P
[11:16] <steakhades> :D das hab ich nicht gesehen
[11:16] <rittap> gern geschehen :)
[11:18] <xwolf-> yeap. no change, rittap. tried failsafe session login as well.
[11:18] <rittap> @xwolf hmm thats totally weird
[11:19] <rittap> read /etc/fstab is the disk still mounted?
[11:19] <xwolf-> i'm sorry, i don't follow you. what do you mean?
[11:19] <rittap> is the DVD still mounted?
[11:20] <marcus> how does one start konq in root mode without being root?
[11:20] <rittap> in /etc/mtab
[11:20] <BonBonTheJon> marcus: in the k-menu do run program, and run 'kdesu konqueror"
[11:20] <xwolf-> rittap: no, it's not even mentioned.
[11:21] <rittap> @xwolf: Then I'm sorry, I can't help you, I'm not an expert
[11:21] <xwolf-> marcus: alt+f2 -> kdesu konqueror
[11:22] <marcus> thank you for the help
[11:22] <xwolf-> rittap: ok, let's assess. why wouldn't login work in the first place?
[11:23] <rittap> @xwolf because of a corrupt script?
[11:24] <larson9999> this thing has rimm ram.  is that good or bad for cheap guys like me?
[11:24] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[11:24] <oslo>  hi i'm trying 1.0-9625 on kubuntu when i install it , its OK, then i start kdm then i log in ALL is OK, but if i reboot nvidia not working anymore !!! can u help ?
[11:24] <rysiek|pl> when is edgy expected to be releassed as stable?
[11:25] <xwolf-> rittap: well, if you're saying :)... so, which script?
[11:25] <BonBonTheJon> rysiek|pl: its in beta now and should come out by the end of the month
[11:25] <fdoving> rysiek|pl: 28th this month.
[11:25] <rittap> @xwolf uh I dont know, there a quite a few! :)
[11:26] <xwolf-> damn.
[11:26] <rysiek|pl> fdoving: thanks a lot
[11:27] <xwolf-> it's weird... really weird. i type login+pass then enter. but the screen behaves as i've restarted it with ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:27] <rittap> and console login works?
[11:27] <xwolf-> yeap
[11:28] <fdoving> xwolf-: can you login from console,and read the output of 'tail -n10 ~/.xsession-errors' ?
[11:30] <xwolf-> fdoving: i typed it but it outputs nothing
[11:30] <|lostbyte|> Hi guys :)
[11:30] <dennister> hi again
[11:30] <BonBonTheJon> hi
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> Is there a linux live radio ?
[11:31] <dennister> report: some improvement! all but one module loaded at boot
[11:31] <|lostbyte|> dennister, hi :)
[11:31] <dennister> hi lostbyte
[11:31] <BonBonTheJon> |lostbyte|: can you give an example
[11:31] <dennister> it was that stubborn msp3400 one i've been struggling with almost from the getgo
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> BonBonTheJon, Like i been searchin for a internet radio that is dedicated to linux..
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> BonBonTheJon, like http://www.linuxreality.com
[11:32] <|lostbyte|> But they only host pod casts.
[11:32] <dennister> lostbyte: there is live radio with the tuners
[11:32] <BonBonTheJon> |lostbyte|: I don't know about live radio, but i know there are some podcasts
[11:32] <xwolf-> fdoving: no ideas?
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> BonBonTheJon, which othere, do you know ?
[11:33] <fdoving> xwolf-: i would start searching http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[11:33] <|lostbyte|> dennister, tuners ?
[11:33] <fdoving> xwolf-: can't do it for you, have to go to bed. hope you can find something.
[11:33] <dennister> erikthered had to leave? :-(
[11:33] <BonBonTheJon> |lostbytes|: i know i've seen some on itunes, linux quwestions is one
[11:33] <xwolf-> fdoving: thank you
[11:33] <dennister> yes lostbyte...i'm trying to set up a tuner now
[11:34] <|lostbyte|> dennister, looking on it.
[11:34] <dennister> tvtuner that is, but most tuners have fmradio too
[11:34] <xwolf-> does anyone know of an msn protocol text-mode thingie?
[11:34] <fdoving> xwolf-: tmsnc
[11:34] <dennister> it's not for the faint of heart lostbyte...tuners are some of the most difficult things in the world to setup
[11:34] <dennister> both in windows and linux
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> huh.. 8-)
[11:35] <|lostbyte|> dennister, could you link me.
[11:35] <dennister> link u? not sure what u mean?
[11:36] <xwolf-> fdoving: great, the thing just says it couldnt create a config file.
[11:36] <|lostbyte|> dennister, link me to more info on tuners.
[11:37] <dennister> that's a huge task lostbyte...start searching the ubuntu.com site
[11:37] <dennister> or try for hauppauge...they're supposed to work for ubuntu
[11:37] <|lostbyte|> dennister, oh, ok.. let it be then.
[11:37] <|lostbyte|> huh. ok
[11:37] <dennister> k...too bad erikthered had to leave :-(
[11:38] <dennister> finally someone that knew something about ivtvdrivers
[11:38] <dennister> any new pps here who could help?
[11:39] <dennister> erik!!!
[11:39] <dennister> i was just bemoaning the fact that u were gone
[11:40] <dennister> all but one module loaded: msp3400 has been giving me probs since the getgo
[11:42] <dennister> hi motorcity
[11:44] <dennister> hello?
[11:44] <BonBonTheJon> hi, dennister
[11:44] <|lostbyte|> :)
[11:44] <|lostbyte|> :-o
[11:44] <dennister> <------wasn't getting any response at all, from anyone to anyone
[11:45] <dennister> ok now
[11:47] <dennister> i've done loacates for a driver that did have its module loaded, and compare it with the msp34000...see where the latter file is *not* showing up like the others
[11:49] <|lostbyte|> dennister, /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/msp3400.ko
[11:50] <|lostbyte|> :-/
[11:50] <dennister> u have it there lostbyte?
[11:51] <rance> I need to ask a question about scanners? I have one that sane supports in the version of sane that is part of kubuntu, but I cant seem to get my scanning apps to find the scanner even when scanimage -L will figure it out fine
[11:51] <|lostbyte|> thats what locate said for me.
[11:51] <|lostbyte|> dennister, locate msp3400
[11:52] <dennister> i did...i have it in lots of places, but not as many places as the other drivers
[11:53] <josh_> how do i add smb mounts to my fstab again?
[11:54] <josh_> its been a long LONG time since i have had to mess with samba lol
[11:54] <dennister> lostbyte, I have the msp3400 in the right directory: just like yours, only different kernel name
[11:54] <josh_> why can windows just be more like linux...
[11:54] <|lostbyte|> dennister, its always loaded from .. /lib/modules/`uname -r`/
[11:54] <josh_> :P
[11:55] <dennister> <---thinks lostbyte was holding out on her at first
[11:55] <|lostbyte|> "holding out" ?
[11:56] <dennister> yeah, u knew about tuners...and here i was trying to tell you about them when u first came in
[11:56] <dennister> lol
[11:57] <|lostbyte|> dennister, huh, not really. just experiance setting up my saa7134
[11:58] <gupta> I have to use a script that has "/usr/bin/env ruby" as the first line
[11:58] <gupta> which package do I need to run this?
[11:58] <gupta> which exact package? ;)
[11:58] <|lostbyte|> !env
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about env - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <gupta> actually th first line is #!/usr/bin/env ruby
[11:59] <dennister> ok...u've been helping, that's the main point
[12:00] <|lostbyte|> gupta, looks like it already installed by default
[12:00] <dennister> basically i've got 8 copies of msp3400 on my hdd, and about twice that of the other modules
[12:00] <dennister> or files
[12:01] <gupta> |lostbyte|: the error: /usr/bin/env: ruby: No such file or directory
[12:02] <gupta> ok apt-get install ruby was all that was needed.. sry!
[12:02] <|lostbyte|> dennister, dmesg | grep msp3400      .. should show something..
[12:04] <dennister> ok...got 3 lines in response, one about it failing to load module, and two about it disagreeing about version of symbol struct_module
[12:05] <dennister> great...getting somewhere again, and my savior gets kicked offline
[12:06] <dennister> what in the hell is symbol struct_module?
[12:07] <dennister> le alone the version of it..heheh
[12:07] <MotorCityMadMan> hello: how/can one clean/clear out old stored commands in run command box ?
[12:08] <dennister> <------has no idea
[12:08] <dennister> sorry
[12:10] <dennister> wb lostbyte!
[12:10] <MotorCityMadMan> dennister: sorted memory issue. 2nd,3rd bank only support one-sided RAM. two-sided RAM over heats