| minghua | azeem: I suspect something is wrong during the build, like without -rfakeroot or something | 12:11 |
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| azeem | hrm, maybe | 12:13 |
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| TheMuso | Hey all. | 12:26 |
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| theCore | is there different policies in Ubuntu debian/rules than Debian? | 12:30 |
| Laser_away | nope | 12:31 |
| theCore | ok, thanks | 12:32 |
| theCore | in the install rule should I test for root, with dh_testroot? | 12:34 |
| theCore | or I just do a distclean | 12:35 |
| Laser_away | dh_testroot is fine I think | 12:35 |
| theCore | nevermind, I just misread my diff | 12:36 |
| theCore | while I trying to fix a bug, is it correct to merge some the changes from Debian? | 12:39 |
| theCore | or, should I just keep it the minimum | 12:40 |
| Laser_away | try to keep divergence to a minimum, but if we need it, we need it | 12:40 |
| theCore | what if there's some real ugliness in the rules file? | 12:41 |
| theCore | like calling ln -s twenty times | 12:42 |
| theCore | instead of calling dh_installman | 12:43 |
| azeem | theCore: does the package Build-Depend on debhelper? | 12:46 |
| theCore | azeem, yes | 12:46 |
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| jdong | aw crap, missed nafallo | 12:48 |
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| theCore | I don't know why but I find packaging quite fun | 12:49 |
| crimsun | jdong: I respectfully disagree regarding backporting being managed by one person. Although I definitely encourage you to seek ubuntu-dev membership to alleviate the bottleneck in processing backports, backports really need to be confirmed by a majority of the team members. | 12:50 |
| jdong | crimsun: me too... there used to be a more active backporting team, but they've all gone their directions | 12:51 |
| jdong | the whole way backports is done needs to be re-hashed | 12:51 |
| jdong | maybe I'll add that to TB instead | 12:51 |
| crimsun | currently core-dev can upload to dapper-backports, so that's not a bottleneck | 12:53 |
| gnomefreak | is there a how to for nackports | 12:53 |
| crimsun | I'm happy to elide the team into a sort of de facto ubuntu-backports-sponsors | 12:53 |
| gnomefreak | backports* | 12:53 |
| jdong | gnomefreak: take an edgy package, add "~dapper1" to the version, and send it through a dapper pbuilder | 12:56 |
| jdong | gnomefreak: the hours and hours of work is in making sure those packages work | 12:56 |
| jdong | and even with those hours one person can still let things slip through | 12:56 |
| jdong | *cough* flashplayer *cough* :( | 12:56 |
| crimsun | ...which should /not/ have been backported. It should have gone into -security. | 12:57 |
| Laser_away | is there a way to use something like -proposed? | 12:57 |
| Laser_away | or is that adding too many layers | 12:57 |
| jdong | Laser_away: unofficial backports had a proposed (staging) repo | 12:57 |
| jdong | official backports doesn't | 12:57 |
| Laser_away | there's unofficial backports? | 12:57 |
| === gnomefreak would like to play with that see if i cant get hang of it. so only dapper pbuilder is needed no edgy one? | ||
| crimsun | unofficial? sure. hello ch*kinstall? | 12:58 |
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| Laser_away | crimsun: if it's good enough for a distro it's got to be good enough for -backports ;-) | 01:00 |
| crimsun | :-) | 01:00 |
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| gnomefreak | jdong: all i need is a dapper pbuilder for backports or building dapper packages/patches | 01:10 |
| theCore | what is the syntax for debian/package.manpages? | 01:10 |
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| ajmitch | gnomefreak: that's deserving of a ban in here :) | 01:17 |
| gnomefreak | ;) it was what i learned im building pbuilder atm so maybe no more using it ;) | 01:18 |
| gnomefreak | brb dinner | 01:18 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | from someone coming in to upstream's channel asking a question, to leaving because they think the project is dead.. 3 minutes | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | that has to be a new record | 01:21 |
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| TheMuso | whaa! Another kernel. | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | yay! | 01:26 |
| joejaxx | anyone know anything here about gpgkeys? i cannot build packages until i solve this gpg issue | 01:32 |
| theCore | TheMuso, there's a new kernel everyday | 01:32 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | hi | 01:52 |
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| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 01:56 |
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| gnomefreak | pbuilder doesnt like to build on edgy :( | 02:01 |
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| keescook | whee. anyone want to sponsor my inkscape fix for bug 63644? I've attached a debdiff for it. | 02:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63644 in inkscape "Annoying error pop up when saving for first time." [Unknown,Unknown] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63644 | 02:05 |
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| gnomefreak | can i skip this step? sudo pbuilder build *.dsc its tell me no pbuilderrc file | 02:31 |
| gnomefreak | and *.dsc is bad | 02:31 |
| bddebian | That is just a warning | 02:31 |
| chillywilly | yea | 02:31 |
| chillywilly | just a warning | 02:31 |
| gnomefreak | ok so im ok on both of those? | 02:31 |
| bddebian | I don't think you can specify *.dsc | 02:32 |
| bddebian | But I could be wrong | 02:32 |
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| chillywilly | sure you can | 02:32 |
| StevenK | gnomefreak: "pdebuild" in the source tree | 02:33 |
| chillywilly | if you have 1 .dsc file in the cwd | 02:33 |
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| joejaxx | anyone here works with meta packages? | 02:36 |
| theCore | what does dh_install -s ? | 02:39 |
| chillywilly | man dh_install | 02:39 |
| theCore | chillywilly, -s isn't documented | 02:40 |
| theCore | that's why I ask | 02:40 |
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| Toadstool | theCore: there are common options for all the dh_* scripts and they are documented in man debhelper | 02:41 |
| theCore | Toadstool, thanks | 02:41 |
| joejaxx | Toadstool: do you build meta-packages? | 02:41 |
| Toadstool | joejaxx: er, why? | 02:41 |
| joejaxx | i have built one but i have a question about it | 02:41 |
| Toadstool | just ask :) | 02:42 |
| joejaxx | ok | 02:42 |
| joejaxx | well i was looking at the ubuntu-meta package | 02:42 |
| joejaxx | and i followed the same format for the fluxbuntu-meta package | 02:42 |
| joejaxx | but during build time i get warning | 02:42 |
| joejaxx | like that | 02:43 |
| joejaxx | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${fluxbuntu-desktop:Depends} | 02:43 |
| joejaxx | like this* | 02:43 |
| Toadstool | hmm, wait, having a look at ubuntu-meta | 02:43 |
| joejaxx | instead of putting that variable there should i just put the depends? | 02:45 |
| theCore | where does dh_installman should be called? | 02:45 |
| theCore | in install or binary-arch? | 02:46 |
| Toadstool | joejaxx: look at how the ubuntu-$$package:Depends substitution vars are generated in ubuntu-meta debian/rules | 02:46 |
| joejaxx | ok | 02:46 |
| Toadstool | the for loop in build-stamp: target | 02:46 |
| joejaxx | oh | 02:48 |
| joejaxx | so now i have to create fluxbuntu-* seeds? | 02:49 |
| joejaxx | or should i just replace the variables with the real depends? | 02:50 |
| Toadstool | hmm... dunno | 02:50 |
| Toadstool | do you know exactly what Depnds you want? | 02:51 |
| joejaxx | yeah | 02:51 |
| joejaxx | but it seems that that build-stamp way is better | 02:51 |
| joejaxx | because it pulls from the seed list | 02:51 |
| joejaxx | so all you have to do is update the seed list | 02:52 |
| Toadstool | and use germinate | 02:53 |
| Toadstool | which is done by the update script in ubuntu-meta afaik | 02:54 |
| joejaxx | well there is no such thing as fluxbuntu-* seeds right now | 02:55 |
| joejaxx | so i think it whould just be better to manually have the depends in there | 02:57 |
| Toadstool | joejaxx: seeds are just text files in a bzr branch -> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ | 03:01 |
| theCore | what the recommended optimization flag? -Os or -O2 | 03:02 |
| theCore | what is* | 03:02 |
| joejaxx | Toadstool: yeah i know those are the official ubuntu seeds though | 03:03 |
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| joejaxx | Toadstool: it is not like i can create fluxbuntu seeds and have them put there lol | 03:07 |
| Toadstool | no but you can put them somewhere else | 03:07 |
| joejaxx | but how do i change where the os looks for the seeds? | 03:08 |
| Toadstool | dunno, there must be some kind of option for germinate | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | oh ok | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | actually i think there is | 03:09 |
| joejaxx | where is germinate called in this process? | 03:10 |
| Toadstool | joejaxx: it's not automatically called | 03:11 |
| Toadstool | it's explained in README | 03:12 |
| Toadstool | and you can configure where update look for seeds in update.cfg ;) | 03:12 |
| Toadstool | *looks | 03:12 |
| joejaxx | boom found it | 03:13 |
| joejaxx | Toadstool: i did not see that README other wise i whould have read it | 03:13 |
| joejaxx | sorry about that | 03:13 |
| Toadstool | np | 03:13 |
| joejaxx | seed_base = 'http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/%s/ :D | 03:13 |
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| theCore | is there a cleaner way to do this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25866/ | 03:53 |
| theCore | I'm thinking using a variable with a for loop | 03:55 |
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| theCore | any ideas? | 04:21 |
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| theCore | I am not lucky today; 3 questions, 0 answer :/ | 04:22 |
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| theCore | I guess I will be on my own for this one | 04:22 |
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| bddebian | OK, I am learning to fucking hate scanf() | 04:38 |
| bddebian | theCore: Sorry, I just don't know | 04:39 |
| theCore | bddebian, it's alright, I found out myself | 04:39 |
| Toadstool | bddebian: still on your I-want-to-ignore-non-numeric-chars-with-scanf issue? | 04:45 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: No, now I'm trying to restrict the number of chars in a string | 04:46 |
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| Toadstool | oh, ok | 04:47 |
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| micahcowan | bddebian, I think all expert C users have learned to hate scanf(). | 04:52 |
| micahcowan | scanf() isn't very good for restricting input characters in a string. To do it, you have to specify the limiting number of characters... as a string. So when that upper limit needs to be dynamic... well, it kinda sucks. | 04:55 |
| bddebian | micahcowan: What's a better way? gets(), getch()? | 04:55 |
| micahcowan | bddebian, gets() is evil. Never use it for anything. | 04:56 |
| micahcowan | Probably fgets() or similar. I'll typically use fgets() or something, and then I might use sscanf() if I wanted more interesting conversions... | 04:56 |
| bddebian | What is the diff between scanf() and sscanf()? | 04:56 |
| micahcowan | sscanf() scans a string instead of stdin. | 04:57 |
| theCore | how much changes I'm allowed to do in debian/ past the freeze? | 04:57 |
| theCore | bddebian, I saw an article once about using scanf() securely | 04:58 |
| theCore | maybe I could find it | 04:59 |
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| micahcowan | I've very few uses for scanf(), actually: strtol() and the like give much better error-handling for numeric conversions, and most of the time I can just search for the end of whatever other token I might want. the character classes can occaisionally be handy, though. | 05:00 |
| micahcowan | *I've found very few... | 05:00 |
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| theCore | hmm, it seems a better solution is using fgets with sscanf | 05:01 |
| theCore | but, then you still need to check for malicious input | 05:02 |
| bddebian | micahcowan: So what do you use to get user input? | 05:03 |
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| pschulz01 | G'day... | 05:04 |
| micahcowan | bddebian, usually fgets(), and then process the resulting string. If I can assume GNU, then I might use getline() instead. | 05:05 |
| Toadstool | bddebian: users?! since when do C programmers care about users? :) | 05:05 |
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| micahcowan | readline() if I want fancier capabilities | 05:06 |
| pschulz01 | I am looking at libgphoto2-2.2.1 documentation. I would like to submit a patch, but there are three different documentation types present (lyx,sgml,txt). Anyone have any idea what the 'real' documentation is? | 05:06 |
| pschulz01 | The 'sgml' file says that it was generated by lyx. | 05:07 |
| pschulz01 | I'm guessing that it's the lyx file then, | 05:08 |
| theCore | bddebian, how about this? char buffer[21] ; fgets(buffer, 20, stdin); if (strchr(buffer, '\n')) {(*(strchr(buffer, '\n'))) = '\0';} | 05:08 |
| bddebian | What happens if I input 22 chars? | 05:09 |
| theCore | it will only read the first 20 | 05:09 |
| theCore | including the \n | 05:10 |
| theCore | so, only 19 will be read | 05:10 |
| bddebian | Are you sure? I did a similar thing with scanf() and it overflows the buffer | 05:10 |
| theCore | pretty much | 05:10 |
| micahcowan | scanf() is built that way. Note that fgets() specifically takes a size argument. | 05:10 |
| bddebian | So does scanf() supposedly, if I use scanf( "%10s", foo ) | 05:11 |
| micahcowan | However, whatever's left over will still be left in stdin, so you have to flush it out (/not/ with fflush()) by reading until the newline. | 05:11 |
| micahcowan | That shouldn't have overflowed the buffer if foo was size 11 or more... | 05:11 |
| bddebian | foo = malloc (sizeof (char) * 11) | 05:11 |
| micahcowan | sizeof (char) is always 1 | 05:12 |
| bddebian | Yes | 05:12 |
| bddebian | I know that was a stupid way to do it :) | 05:12 |
| micahcowan | How did you detect overflow? | 05:12 |
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| bddebian | I'm dumping it all to a "stack".. I'll post the code is a sec | 05:14 |
| bddebian | s/is/in/ | 05:14 |
| bddebian | micahcowan: No laughing: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/junk/ams/learn3.c :) | 05:17 |
| Toadstool | GNU/Hurd? :) | 05:20 |
| theCore | nice a calculator | 05:22 |
| theCore | bddebian, do you know about function pointers? | 05:22 |
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| theCore | is it a reverse-polish calc? | 05:24 |
| theCore | uptime: 3.8 months. that's a lot | 05:26 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: But of course :) | 05:26 |
| bddebian | theCore: For Hurd it is :) | 05:26 |
| theCore | bddebian, you're not doing kernel update often, for sure | 05:27 |
| bddebian | theCore: Yes I know about function pointers, I'm just playing/learning | 05:27 |
| Toadstool | bddebian: I am playing with Pistachio and other microkernels at work :) | 05:28 |
| theCore | I got Steven's APUE just beside me, I think I will play/learn a little bit too | 05:28 |
| bddebian | Toadstool: Sweet, finish porting that sucker to GNU/Hurd will ya? ;-P | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: you still persist with that hurd stuff? | 05:29 |
| Toadstool | bddebian: haha | 05:29 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Yep, got 5 of them running now :-) | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: port mach to xen kthx | 05:29 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: youpi is doing that | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | oh good, then it might be remotely useful to work on :) | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | I saw the task open on savannah, didn't know someone was doing it | 05:30 |
| theCore | a herd of Hurd! | 05:31 |
| ajmitch | theCore: no, a hird | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | anybody know of some web pased project managment software? | 05:32 |
| theCore | ajmitch, :) | 05:33 |
| bddebian | So the one guy I ask to look at my shitty code doesn't answer :-( | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: maybe he's recovering | 05:35 |
| bddebian | :'-( | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | it's your code bddebian? | 05:35 |
| bddebian | yep | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | can you do that in C++? | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 05:37 |
| bddebian | Not a freakin' chance but I'm going to try it in assembler next :-) | 05:38 |
| theCore | ugh! | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | hmm, how about python? | 05:38 |
| bddebian | Possibly | 05:38 |
| bddebian | I did a similar thing in postscript a while back | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | I'm wanting to learn C++ | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | that's why I asked | 05:39 |
| bddebian | Me too eventually | 05:39 |
| theCore | LaserJock, maybe you should with C | 05:40 |
| bddebian | Gah micahcowan left :-( | 05:40 |
| theCore | LaserJock, C++ is a big-hairy beast | 05:41 |
| bddebian | I didn't think it was THAT bad :-( | 05:41 |
| LaserJock | well, I have a project I want to help with that is written in C++ | 05:41 |
| bddebian | The L4 microkernel? ;-) | 05:43 |
| theCore | "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." -- Bjarne Stroustrup | 05:43 |
| bddebian | haha | 05:43 |
| theCore | that's my favourite quote about C++ | 05:43 |
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| LaserJock | it's a gnome chemistry project | 05:45 |
| bddebian | cool | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | it really is a sweet project | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | actually several | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | all done by one guy | 05:46 |
| theCore | LaserJock, what the name of the app? | 05:47 |
| theCore | what's* | 05:47 |
| bddebian | Oh, the guy with the website for bkchem and all that? | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | not bkchem, I don't think | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | he does | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | chemical-mime-data | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | gnome-chemistry-utils | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | gchempaint | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | by himself | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | and also works on goffice and abiword | 05:50 |
| bddebian | Oh aye, the chemical-mime-data stuff | 05:50 |
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| theCore | what does I do when I'm done with my package? | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | put it on REVU | 05:55 |
| theCore | LaserJock, it is not a new package | 05:55 |
| theCore | I just post my patch on Launchpad? | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | yea if its not new, post a debdiff on the LP bug it fixes and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 05:58 |
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| imbrandon | theCore, ^ | 05:58 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 05:58 |
| theCore | and what if it does not just fix the bug | 05:58 |
| theCore | I cleaned up the whole debian/rules file | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | well its got to fix /something/ otherwise it wouldent be needed heh, so make a bug of the problem you fixed and attach it | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | only cleaned up the debian/rules ? | 06:00 |
| bddebian | Heya imbrandon | 06:00 |
| imbrandon | heya bddebian | 06:00 |
| imbrandon | theCore, is the package in debian ? | 06:00 |
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| theCore | I think I will adopt the package | 06:03 |
| theCore | it haven't been updated since 2005 | 06:03 |
| ajmitch | is it orphaned in debian? | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 06:04 |
| theCore | imbrandon, I made the package conform with the latest debian-policy, corrected the python extension problem, and made the rules file more readable | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | hello imbrandon | 06:04 |
| theCore | ajmitch, I don't think so | 06:04 |
| imbrandon | theCore, ahh well thats a bit more than "cleaned up the rules" heh | 06:05 |
| theCore | ajmitch, I used debian version as a reference for fixing the bug | 06:05 |
| ajmitch | so you plan to fork the packaging from what debian has? | 06:05 |
| theCore | imbrandon, I'm not done yet, though | 06:05 |
| theCore | imbrandon, I still have to correct debian/*.{dirs,files} | 06:06 |
| imbrandon | theCore, ok i'm missing something here, its not orphaned in debian but your changing it from debian ? | 06:06 |
| theCore | imbrandon, it's orphaned in Ubuntu | 06:06 |
| theCore | the package is libming | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | I see | 06:07 |
| imbrandon | theCore, there is no sense of orphaning in Ubuntu, we all maintain all packages as a group, and if its maintained in debian it cant be orphaned as we sync from them | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | theCore: have you looked at the 'ming' source package in debian? | 06:07 |
| theCore | there also errors in the Debian version | 06:07 |
| theCore | ajmitch, yea | 06:07 |
| theCore | *yes | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | we strongly discourage people from doing random forks of debian packaging | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | theCore, great , this is one of the times then you make a patch and send it upstream to the debian maintainer | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | it duplicates work & causes friction | 06:08 |
| imbrandon | yea what ajmitch said | 06:08 |
| theCore | imbrandon, that's what I want to | 06:08 |
| ajmitch | theCore: you said it hasn't been updated for a year - ming was last updated about 8 weeks ago in debian | 06:08 |
| theCore | ajmitch, do you know why it haven't been sync'ed? | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | because we have upstream version freeze early in the edgy cycle which applies across the whole distro for stopping of autosyncs | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | hence anything from the main UVF until universe freeze had to be manually synced | 06:10 |
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| theCore | ajmitch, well, it been a year, that's before edgy started... | 06:11 |
| imbrandon | he just said it was updated 8 weeks ago | 06:11 |
| imbrandon | thats not | 06:11 |
| joejaxx | ajmitch: man i hope i have no missed the feature freeze | 06:12 |
| joejaxx | not* | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, yea by quite a bit | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | joejaxx: oh we're well past feature freeze for edgy | 06:12 |
| imbrandon | the release schedule is in the topic bro | 06:12 |
| joejaxx | oh nevermind | 06:13 |
| joejaxx | universe has nothing to do with the feature freeze | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | no, but we have universe freeze as of a week ago | 06:13 |
| imbrandon | yea but universe freeze is here too | 06:13 |
| theCore | the other problem is that Debian changed the name of the package | 06:13 |
| theCore | in Debian, libming is called just ming | 06:14 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: so i should be compiling for edgy+1? | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, yea but edgy+1 is edgy atm | 06:14 |
| imbrandon | same toolchain | 06:14 |
| joejaxx | i guess i waited to long | 06:14 |
| theCore | that is back to oct. 15 2005 | 06:15 |
| theCore | that's probably why it haven't been sync'ed | 06:15 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: i guess i am going to have to keep fluxbuntu-* in the fluxbuntu repos until edgy+1 | 06:15 |
| theCore | ajmitch, does auto-sync handle name changes? | 06:16 |
| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | theCore, what 2 packages are you talking about | 06:17 |
| imbrandon | gnight bddebian | 06:17 |
| joejaxx | goodnight bddebian | 06:17 |
| theCore | imbrandon, libming | 06:17 |
| theCore | imbrandon, in Debian, it's `ming' | 06:18 |
| theCore | since the name change, it haven't been updated | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | theCore: again, the name change was after the syncs stopped | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | [2006-07-05] Accepted 1:0.3.0-6 in unstable (low) (Stuart R. Anderson) | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | thats AFTER the syncs stoped | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | it will go next sync round | 06:19 |
| ajmitch | probably only just aftre | 06:19 |
| theCore | so, what should I do? | 06:21 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: may i pm you? | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, i dont mind | 06:22 |
| imbrandon | theCore, file a sync request and have a MOTU ack it or wait till auto syncing starts again | 06:22 |
| theCore | is there a place that explains how to do that? | 06:24 |
| imbrandon | theCore, last url in the topic | 06:24 |
| theCore | imbrandon, thanks | 06:25 |
| ajmitch | nice | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | autopkgtest in the NEW queue | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | seems that iwj has some xen/lvm magic going for it | 06:27 |
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| theCore | does posix regex is allowed in debian/*.files | 06:31 |
| theCore | ok, I think I will send the patch to upstream, then request a sync | 06:42 |
| theCore | but for now, I need to sleep | 06:42 |
| theCore | cya all | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I really need learn how to blog :/ | 06:47 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: ? | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | they're really long and boring | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | nah, they're not boring | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | put it on planet already | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | oh good, it is :) | 06:50 |
| imbrandon | yea ajmitch where is yours , finaly got LaserJock on it;) | 06:54 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: I'm too boring to blog | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | bah | 06:55 |
| imbrandon | heh | 06:55 |
| LaserJock | you're not boring at all | 06:55 |
| ajmitch | I have nothing to blog about, at least :) | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I think I've often got too much to blog about | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | I have to watch it | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | especially after the whole gallium thing | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | people actually take these planet posts seriously | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | gallium ? | 06:58 |
| ajmitch | another reason why I avoid blogging | 06:58 |
| imbrandon | did you read the last post from ian basicly saying joey was full of sh*t | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | hm, good post by SynRG about ichthux & ubuntu CE | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | I thought so | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: I saw that | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: last weekend there was a little "incident" with Edubuntu and KDE-Edu over a little project a few of us were working on | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: no, I didn't see it | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, its still on p.d.o i think | 07:02 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, ahh | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | it was rather intense there for a couple days | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: ian murdock? | 07:03 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, yea | 07:03 |
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| LaserJock | isn't he the guy who started Debian? or am I thinking of somebody else | 07:04 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch, http://ianmurdock.com/?p=358 | 07:04 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea is is the deb"ian" in debian | 07:04 |
| imbrandon | his better half is debbie , e.g the "deb"ian ;) | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | right, that's what I thought | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | what does he do these days on Debian? | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | he works on LSB alot iirc | 07:05 |
| imbrandon | just like any other maintainer afaik | 07:05 |
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| imbrandon | heh | 07:06 |
| joejaxx | yipee fluxbuntu was mentioned on planet.ubuntu.com | 07:07 |
| ajmitch | http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/img_0110.jpg | 07:07 |
| ajmitch | small photo | 07:07 |
| joejaxx | for not keeping up with ubuntu development haha | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | where? I didn't see anybody say that :-) | 07:08 |
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| joejaxx | LaserJock: look at the first blog | 07:08 |
| ajmitch | heh | 07:08 |
| ajmitch | joejaxx: you mean that shady jordan mantha person? | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | joejaxx: LaserJock == Jordan Mantha | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | joejaxx, that IS LaserJock | 07:08 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:09 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: :) | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | still shady :) | 07:09 |
| joejaxx | lol | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: that's a rather nice view | 07:09 |
| joejaxx | i wish we could keep up with ubuntu development | 07:09 |
| joejaxx | :\ | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that's the view from my bedroom | 07:09 |
| joejaxx | lol | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | I didn't say you were not keeping up | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | those 'large buildings' are the centre of the city | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | very nice | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | you can just make out the harbour on the left, and the pacific ocean beyond | 07:10 |
| joejaxx | LaserJock: well i am going to be making the seeds so that fluxbuntu-meta can pull from them tomorrow | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | excellent | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | good progress | 07:12 |
| joejaxx | thanks | 07:13 |
| imbrandon | cool pic ajmitch | 07:13 |
| joejaxx | ajmitch: yeah that looks nice | 07:14 |
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| ajmitch | cheap but effective digital camera | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | lol | 07:14 |
| ajmitch | dodgy | 07:14 |
| joejaxx | lol | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I have stock artwork :-) | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | I usually never have an install around long enough to care about the background | 07:17 |
| imbrandon | http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss108.png | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | argg | 07:20 |
| imbrandon | thats a good one ;) | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | darn this european date format | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | I thought something was dated July 10th | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | I don't know how that came about but it's really odd to me | 07:23 |
| imbrandon | heh | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | "I know, lets transpose the month and the year!" I bet it was some trick to confuse the stupid Americans ;-) | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | s/year/day/ | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | see, now I'm all confused | 07:24 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 07:25 |
| ajmitch | just got an f-spot bug in debian for a rather outdated version | 07:25 |
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| LaserJock | you maintain f-spot in debian? | 07:26 |
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| LaserJock | I think I'd like being a DD if it didn't take so long to go through the NM process | 07:28 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: ajmitch is just glutton for punishment. | 07:28 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: same goes for you :P | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | I like how you get to know a package, and it's more about packaging and less about the next freeze | 07:29 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, exactly | 07:29 |
| === StevenK thinks he prefers the Debian of a few years ago, where every second sentence wasn't "Ubuntu sucks" | ||
| ajmitch | since with 2-3 years between releases, who needs to freeze? | 07:29 |
| joejaxx | lol | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | If you can avoid the politics I think Debian is a rather nice place to be | 07:30 |
| ajmitch | it's somewhat depressing seeing what happens in debian at times | 07:30 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Agreed. | 07:30 |
| TheMuso | I'd apply for DD too if it didn't take as long | 07:32 |
| === StevenK didn't take too long to become a DD. :-P | ||
| LaserJock | how long? | 07:32 |
| imbrandon | haha StevenK but we all not demi gods | 07:32 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: A week from applying to getting my account. | 07:32 |
| imbrandon | StevenK, got it in what 5 days ? | 07:32 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: Hooooow? | 07:33 |
| joejaxx | StevenK: lol | 07:33 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Just lucky, I guess. | 07:33 |
| ajmitch | nowadays you'd be lucky to get it under a year | 07:33 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: It was a combination of a lot of factors - I can list them if you like. | 07:33 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: Nah its fine. | 07:33 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: It's quicker to explain in person, remind me next time I see you. | 07:34 |
| TheMuso | um ok | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | I've never hear of doing it that fast | 07:34 |
| === imbrandon is content working on ubuntu and letting debian worry about the changes, i'll present them to sponsors , if they take them cool, if not , their loss , but i'm not jumping through hoops | ||
| StevenK | What I hate is how Ubuntu has to change to suit Debian. | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | I'd rather make changes in Debian in the first place and not have to worry about it again in Ubuntu | 07:36 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: it involves money & beer | 07:36 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Ideally that would be great. | 07:36 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: It does not. | 07:36 |
| chillywilly | mmmm, beeer | 07:36 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: close enough | 07:37 |
| === StevenK ponders working on a bug or two instead of hacking on ASP like he should be. | ||
| === ajmitch is actually trying to get some bug stuff done | ||
| ajmitch | that's why 2 monitors are useful | 07:37 |
| ajmitch | I can keep the distraction of IRC on one | 07:38 |
| === LaserJock is going to bed | ||
| ajmitch | night LaserJock | 07:38 |
| imbrandon | gnight LaserJock | 07:38 |
| chillywilly | night | 07:38 |
| TheMuso | Night LaserJock. | 07:38 |
| StevenK | Launchpad needs a "Repeat the current search" button. | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | I've done enough damage on planet for one night ;-) | 07:38 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: time to duck the flames? | 07:38 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: I don't blame you for avoiding asp. | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I doubt flames. I'm thinking more "What the heck is he saying?" | 07:39 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Heh. It's for a uni assignment, so I really ought to do it. | 07:39 |
| joejaxx | goodnight Laser_away :) | 07:41 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: i am going to try and start releasing developmental releases in sync with the ubuntu ones | 07:42 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: is there a way to know when the ubuntu developmental releases will be released? | 07:44 |
| ajmitch | joejaxx: it's in the topic | 07:44 |
| imbrandon | first url in the topic joejaxx | 07:44 |
| ajmitch | EdgyReleaseSchedule | 07:44 |
| joejaxx | no not that | 07:45 |
| joejaxx | i mean future wise :) | 07:45 |
| joejaxx | that has a list of the current ones | 07:45 |
| imbrandon | other than that just hang out and learn the way, the next release schedule will be worked out dirring UDS Moutain View | 07:45 |
| ajmitch | generally every 6 months | 07:45 |
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| joejaxx | ajmitch: imbrandon i mean the developmental releaases | 07:46 |
| joejaxx | like knots | 07:46 |
| joejaxx | or flights like there were in dapper | 07:46 |
| ajmitch | that will be worked out in the future | 07:46 |
| imbrandon | those are on the release schedule, but thats worked out in UDS | 07:46 |
| joejaxx | so there is no way to know when edgy beta 2 is coming so i can prepare to release in sync? | 07:47 |
| ajmitch | there won't be a beta 2 | 07:48 |
| imbrandon | there is no beta 2, but RC is on the schedule for the 19th | 07:48 |
| joejaxx | imbrandon: ok that is what i meant | 07:48 |
| joejaxx | :) | 07:48 |
| joejaxx | so that is a week and a half | 07:52 |
| joejaxx | ok | 07:52 |
| joejaxx | bbl | 07:52 |
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| imbrandon | hrm i wonder how hard it would be to make a ubuntu seed and livefs from scratch the "ubuntu way" | 08:00 |
| imbrandon | somehow i dont think there is doc's about it online | 08:00 |
| TheMuso | imbrandon: What do you want to do? | 08:01 |
| imbrandon | TheMuso, just learn how to make a proper deritive ( not just customize a already made cd ) | 08:01 |
| imbrandon | no real "goal" | 08:02 |
| TheMuso | Fair enough. | 08:02 |
| TheMuso | It would be nice to know. | 08:02 |
| imbrandon | yea, at leaste the process behind it all | 08:02 |
| === imbrandon starts digging a little | ||
| LaserJock | imbrandon: what do you want to know? | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | and how "from scratch" do you want to go? | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | from bootstraping the base install on up | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | but anystart would be good | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well from scratch you can as Kamion for some scripts they use | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | the ones I've been involved with started with an existing .iso and then changed it from within | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | yea i planned to once i got a little more edgucated about it so i dident goto him and say "duh duh can you .,.,. blah blah blah" | 08:17 |
| nixternal | people are alive this late at night? | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | as you already have the casper stuff | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea i have customized the iso before | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | well, there is customized as in change some artwork | 08:18 |
| nixternal | ya, and he wanted me to go buy a dvd burner so i could try his iso out | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | and then there is customized like we do with Ichthux | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | no as in removed oo.o , all the default settings, more packages etc | 08:18 |
| imbrandon | i did a imbrandon version of kubuntu with no oo.o and koffice instead with all the meadia codecs etc | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | plus new artwork ;) | 08:19 |
| LaserJock | in Icthux we have -deskto, -docs, -default-settings | 08:19 |
| nixternal | and he tried to burn it to LP | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea but how do you then generate the isos | 08:19 |
| imbrandon | from those | 08:19 |
| LaserJock | ok, the basic idea is: | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | get the .iso | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | unpack it | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | oh so the custom way | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | chroot into the unpacked squashfs | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | not the ubuntu way | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | right , yea thats how i did it | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | well, sort of | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | it's somewhat in between | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | we then change the initrd | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | the scripts that set up the livecd user | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | install -desktop, etc. meta packages | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | in the future though I think we are going to the Ubuntu way | 08:21 |
| imbrandon | right i'm with you so far | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | it's more complicated | 08:21 |
| imbrandon | ok yea i have done that ( the way your doing it now ) | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | but it's a little more satisfying | 08:22 |
| imbrandon | hehe yea | 08:22 |
| imbrandon | i'm at the same point | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | I believe Kamion gave raphink a script | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | for doing it the Ubuntu way | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | but there is still quite a bit that uses the Ubuntu infrastructure | 08:23 |
| imbrandon | cool | 08:23 |
| ajmitch | the s3kr3t sauce | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | so it's not easy to just "do it the Ubuntu way" | 08:23 |
| ajmitch | kamion has stuff in his bzr branches for this | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | as they use a fair amount of Soyuz magic I think | 08:23 |
| ajmitch | debian-cd & related stuff | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | apparently sometime "soon" Soyuz might start supporting derivatives | 08:24 |
| imbrandon | do they use make-live ? | 08:24 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: 'soon' has been said for awhile now | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | yes | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | well, it sounded like early 2007 | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | I think Ichthux might be a test derivative | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | at least the LP guys were interested in that | 08:25 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | well i wouldent mind helping out joejaxx get on his feet ( i dont think i could make a long term commitment to it ) but i dont want to put the time into customizing the iso , it seems to hackish to me | 08:26 |
| imbrandon | thats one reason for me to learn BUT i would also just liek to "know" | 08:27 |
| imbrandon | like* | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I know what you mean | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | we get questions about .iso customization all the time | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | it'd be nice to have a least some clue | 08:27 |
| imbrandon | although i do know what you mean, i did do that for my own dapper kubuntu live cd | 08:27 |
| imbrandon | as far as unpacking the squashfs , the initrd , the package changes etc etc | 08:28 |
| TheMuso | Then there is the fun of casper. | 08:28 |
| imbrandon | but thats not really a /good/ solution for repition as i'm sure your finding out with itc* | 08:29 |
| imbrandon | ( sorry for got the name heh ) | 08:29 |
| LaserJock | actually, it isn't too bad | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | we have a lot of it automated | 08:30 |
| imbrandon | cool | 08:30 |
| LaserJock | we have a standard initrd and a script that updates the manifest files | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | nice | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | you spend more time unpacking and packing | 08:31 |
| imbrandon | yea , that takes a while | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | and transferring the .iso to mirrors | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | well not tooooo long but a good while | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | mostly the repacking | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | torrents ;) | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | bah | 08:32 |
| imbrandon | i thought about making the codec enhanced kubuntu avail via torrent | 08:33 |
| imbrandon | since its kinda iffy in some places ;) | 08:33 |
| imbrandon | brb | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | bah, who needs codecs :-) | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | people shouldn't be listening to music or watch movies anyway | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | they should be fixing bugs and contributing packages to REVU | 08:34 |
| ajmitch | or to Debian | 08:34 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 08:34 |
| ajmitch | although I do listen to music while packaging ;) | 08:35 |
| TheMuso | I listen to music, but its from my own CDs in FLAC format. | 08:35 |
| imbrandon | yea i dont think i could sit at the computer without tunes cranked | 08:35 |
| imbrandon | about 70% is from my own cd's 10% from itunes , and the rest from "arround" | 08:35 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | I have a lot of .mp3s ripped from CDs | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | but I convert them to ogg if I play them in linux usually | 08:36 |
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| ajmitch | scary stuff - vista RC2 in vmware | 08:40 |
| ajmitch | will my computer be powerful enough ? ;) | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | yucky | 08:40 |
| ajmitch | oh that's wonderful | 08:41 |
| ajmitch | it doesn't have a driver for the vmware cd drive | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | heh | 08:41 |
| imbrandon | somehow that seems interntional | 08:42 |
| ajmitch | wouldn't surprise me in the least | 08:42 |
| ajmitch | I don't really feel like installing it on a real system | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it's like these silly bootcamp people that got all excited when you could dual boot Windows and OS X | 08:42 |
| imbrandon | i have rc1 on the computer upstairs dualbooting | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | I couldn't belive you'd want to go down in OS quality ;-) | 08:43 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: MS do have some useful ideas | 08:43 |
| LaserJock | I guess, I just find things work a whole lot better in Ubuntu | 08:43 |
| ajmitch | of course | 08:44 |
| ajmitch | I don't plan to use it for any real work | 08:44 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | if I was more into different areas of computing I'm sure I could see more uses | 08:44 |
| LaserJock | but mostly I want ssh, web browser, good printing, laptop support, and good music/video stuff | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | all of which Ubuntu does much better | 08:45 |
| LaserJock | my wife even seems to like it after I got here FF bookmarks back and the form completion set up | 08:47 |
| LaserJock | *her | 08:47 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | I wonder what the vista hardware requirements are | 08:50 |
| === StevenK notes LaserJock just said he was going to bed. | ||
| LaserJock | I read about it a long time ago for longhorn | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | yes, well | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | I took my shower and the wife went to bed | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | I'm supposed to be working | 08:51 |
| === LaserJock shuts up | ||
| StevenK | IRC is work, isn't it? | 08:51 |
| StevenK | Isn't it?! | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | yes, StevenK, of course it is... | 08:52 |
| StevenK | Heh | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | have any of you used dak? | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | not that brave | 08:53 |
| === StevenK has submitted one small patch | ||
| LaserJock | do you see it as really very useful for the normal user/sys admin? | 08:53 |
| LaserJock | it seems a bit overkill to me | 08:53 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, falcon is alot easier for normal every day repos ( less than 300 packages ) | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | falcon? I've not heard of that | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | I've seen reprepo and mini-dinstall | 08:54 |
| imbrandon | Seveas made it for his repos but me and a few others use it now, its really nice, handles mirrors auto etc etc etc | 08:55 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: No. dak is .... hardcore | 08:55 |
| StevenK | reprepro and mini-dinstall both suck, I've tried to use both of them. | 08:55 |
| StevenK | We use apt-move at work, and that's a little archaic. | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | StevenK: what do you suggest to people then? | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | or do they all just suck ;-) | 08:56 |
| StevenK | dpkg-scanpackages | 08:56 |
| imbrandon | falcon you just make your /pool and run falcon update sync, all done | 08:56 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | imbrandon: is that publically available? | 08:57 |
| Lathiat | apt-cache show falcon | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, yea check any of Seveas's mirros ( http://seveas.imbrandon.com ) in the extras component , or in edgy+1 universe hehe | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | mirrors* | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | http://seveas.imbrandon.com/pool/dapper-seveas/extras/falcon_1.5.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | supports multi arch,multi components ( even one for each app if you want ) | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | etc etc etc, and a good doc | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | to get ya going, but it takes a whole 5 minutes to setup | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | real simple to setup and maintain ( and its python heh ) | 09:00 |
| imbrandon | and if you find bugs its easy to poke seveas to fix it hehe | 09:01 |
| imbrandon | LaserJock, have you seen http://live.debian.net/wiki/ISO_Howto | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | hmm, interesting | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | hrm and it links to http://live.debian.net/wiki/live-package telling howto do the casper and all | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | ok, I think I've got the cdrom driver needed - apparantly it's partly a vmware problem | 09:14 |
| ajmitch | :) | 09:14 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 09:14 |
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| ajmitch | we'll see if I can use it ;) | 09:15 |
| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee | 09:15 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee! | 09:16 |
| Hobbsee | heya ajmitch | 09:16 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock! | 09:17 |
| siretart | morning | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | hi siretart | 09:19 |
| imbrandon | moins siretart | 09:19 |
| siretart | huhu Hobbsee, hi imbrandon. heyho ajmitch :) | 09:19 |
| ajmitch | hey siretart, how are you? | 09:20 |
| siretart | thanks, fine | 09:21 |
| siretart | and you | 09:21 |
| siretart | currently doing my email | 09:21 |
| siretart | ajmitch: we still need 2 UVF members agreeing for requests, no? | 09:22 |
| TheMuso | Hey Hobbsee. | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | hi TheMuso | 09:22 |
| TheMuso | How goes it? | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | it goes to work soon :( | 09:23 |
| TheMuso | Ah that sucks. | 09:23 |
| siretart | does Martin Juergens irc? do anyone know him? | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | siretart: yes, we need 2 approvals afaik | 09:25 |
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| siretart | I was a bit puzzled if we require 2 advocates for complete new packages from marillat as well | 09:26 |
| ajmitch | hm | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | probably yes | 09:27 |
| siretart | I assume so. and this martin juergens has filed quite some request for such packages | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | gtk2-formfactory, etc? | 09:27 |
| siretart | yepp | 09:28 |
| siretart | + anyevent + eventrpc | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | right, I saw them on my wade through unmet deps | 09:29 |
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| StevenK | ajmitch: Where's your list of unmetdeps? | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | in his vast brain | 09:45 |
| StevenK | Heh | 09:45 |
| StevenK | Probably stored in a text file in his tmpfs | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | hi. it /opt/ltsp could be placed somewhere else, with FHS in mind, where would you put it? /usr/share/ltsp? | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | s/FHS/FSH | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I might actually go with /var perhaps | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | as in, /var/lib/ltsp? | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | maybe just /var/ltsp | 09:47 |
| ajmitch | http://ajmitch.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/unmet/unmet.txt | 09:47 |
| ajmitch | it hasn't been updated today | 09:48 |
| LaserJock | the thing with ltsp is that it changes, right? | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | & wsa annotated with a few comments | 09:48 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: usually, with Ubuntu, the LTSP chroot is build from scratch at installation | 09:48 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: but for tuXlabs I want to make a prebuild chroot and put it into a package | 09:48 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I think once the chroot exists it won't change much | 09:49 |
| LaserJock | if it's static it could go in /usr/share I suppose | 09:49 |
| highvoltage | a user might chroot into the environment and add/remove stuff though | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | that's not so good for /usr/share/ | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | or a package for that matter | 09:50 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage, from experience users do chroot in to change things | 09:50 |
| LaserJock | dpkg likes to keep track of files | 09:51 |
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| Yagisan | highvoltage, considering it could even be a differnet distro - perhaps /opt really is the best place for it | 09:51 |
| highvoltage | /opt is nice because then it is also consistent with upstrem ltsp | 09:51 |
| highvoltage | but I remember ogra once saying that's it's not the ideal place to have it | 09:52 |
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| StevenK | Policy forbids packages to touch /opt. | 09:52 |
| highvoltage | he mentioned where it would have been if we had a choice but I've forgotten :) | 09:52 |
| highvoltage | yes, I did that previously and lintian gave lots and lots of warnings for each file :) | 09:52 |
| Yagisan | StevenK, policy doesn't consider a package might install a distro - which is what ltsp does | 09:52 |
| StevenK | Of course not, there's no precedent for it | 09:53 |
| Yagisan | there is now ... | 09:53 |
| StevenK | Then bugs against Policy should be filed | 09:53 |
| highvoltage | what if I put a tarball in the package, and the postinst would extract it? | 09:53 |
| highvoltage | that's a terrible hack, isn't it? | 09:53 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage, it is. your ltsp - is it Ubuntu based ? if so - perhaps script it to download and install in the postinst ? | 09:54 |
| LaserJock | where will the tarball extract to? | 09:55 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I guess that could safely extract to /opt? | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | are you packaging it to avoid bandwith usage, i.e. computers without internet or bad internet connections? | 09:56 |
| highvoltage | that, and to save installation time | 09:57 |
| highvoltage | builting the ltsp chroot is quite time consuming atm | 09:57 |
| highvoltage | I'd also like a nice and quick way for users to add ltsp, and remove it again | 09:58 |
| highvoltage | well, more for our technicians in the end than the end-users, I suppose | 09:58 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage, takes about 5-10 minutes to build the ltsp chroot here (all packages are in the cache so doesn't include download time) | 10:03 |
| highvoltage | can you currently build a chroot from the live cd install too? | 10:04 |
| highvoltage | extracting the tarball only takes about 2 minutes here :) | 10:04 |
| highvoltage | I think I'll take the approach of using a tarball, extracting to /opt, and when upgrading LTSP, the old /opt/ltsp will just be removed before a new tarball is extracted there. | 10:05 |
| highvoltage | or not... sorry, I think I'll think about it and ask around some more :) | 10:06 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan, LaserJock, StevenK: thanks for your input and insight | 10:06 |
| LaserJock | so you wipe out people's existing chroot upon upgrade? | 10:06 |
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| LaserJock | it's not a simple problem that's for sure | 10:06 |
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| highvoltage | LaserJock: that's what I thought about just after pressing enter after I mentioned that | 10:08 |
| highvoltage | the best way really seems to be how ubuntu currently does it, but this will be a problem that red hat, suse, etc will have to deal with too while they use the ubuntu ltsp chroot, until they have their own meukow sorted out. | 10:08 |
| highvoltage | I don't expect our users to /really/ change the chroot | 10:09 |
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| highvoltage | those who add packages could perhaps do a --get-selections and do a dselect-upgrade in the new chroot | 10:10 |
| highvoltage | I'm sure ogra will also have some useful insight :) | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | yes | 10:11 |
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| ajmitch | \sh_away: wine UVF approved, you going to do the update? | 11:38 |
| tepsipakki | ajmitch: libpam-{heimdal,krb5}_2.4-1 is now in sid ;) | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | update the bug reports, reject the sync request if it hasn't gone through | 11:42 |
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| tepsipakki | ie. make a new UVF-request? | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | you'd need to | 11:45 |
| tepsipakki | okay | 11:49 |
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| ktinga | Ey? | 11:56 |
| ktinga | Hellor? | 11:57 |
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| sladen | liatm: yup! | 12:37 |
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| sivang | ajmitch: you're recent changes to libburn now made it usable? :) | 02:37 |
| sivang | ajmitch: (been just reading teh changlog) | 02:37 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:28 |
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| matid | Hello. Any MIT student here? | 03:50 |
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| === Yagisan waves G'day | ||
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| bddebian | Heya Yagisan | 05:04 |
| Yagisan | bddebian, how have you been ? | 05:05 |
| bddebian | OK thx, you? | 05:05 |
| Yagisan | not too bad. had some interesting experiences | 05:08 |
| Yagisan | right now I'm researching how to convert my package from a single binary into a multiple binary | 05:08 |
| StevenK | Add more stanzas to debian/control and brutally hack debian/rules | 05:08 |
| tseng | dh_install woo | 05:09 |
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| Yagisan | cool thanks. should be easier then it was shoving my CFLAGS down Cmakes throat when I updated earlier today | 05:10 |
| Yagisan | do we have a policy on plugin names ? libXYZ or baseapp-XYZ ? | 05:12 |
| tseng | yes | 05:12 |
| tseng | its very strict, look it up | 05:13 |
| Yagisan | I'm looking. probably in the wrong place, but I'll find it. | 05:13 |
| tseng | http://dancer.debian.net/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html | 05:14 |
| tseng | enjoy | 05:14 |
| Yagisan | tseng, thank you. I was indeed not looking at the right file | 05:16 |
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| jekil | hi | 05:17 |
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| Yagisan | tseng, thanks. looks like I have a bit to digest to see how to best apply that. O_o | 05:22 |
| tseng | yes. | 05:23 |
| tseng | its serious business | 05:23 |
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| Yagisan | tseng, I do know that nothing else will use the plugins, so that at least makes it easier for me | 05:24 |
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| Yagisan | tseng, none of the plugins have a SONAME version. Will that be a problem ? | 05:33 |
| tseng | Yagisan: possibly | 05:36 |
| tseng | if yo uwant to treat them as libraries | 05:37 |
| tseng | if they are plugins to a single app, I guess it doesnt matter | 05:37 |
| Yagisan | tseng, they are for a single application (no one yet has taken the challenge of writing another engine for them). Thanks for your advice. | 05:38 |
| tseng | i wouldnt package them as libraries if they are not | 05:39 |
| tseng | i would package them as things that happen to be shared objects | 05:39 |
| tseng | yeah? | 05:39 |
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| Yagisan | yeah - that looks best for now | 05:41 |
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| Toadstool | good morning everybody | 06:20 |
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| crimsun | 'morning Toadstool | 06:27 |
| joejaxx | goodmorning Toadstool | 06:27 |
| joejaxx | hey crimsun | 06:27 |
| crimsun | hi joejaxx | 06:28 |
| Toadstool | hey crimsun, joejaxx | 06:30 |
| joejaxx | you know what i found out? | 06:31 |
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| joejaxx | the debian way of packaging is not necessarily easy | 06:32 |
| joejaxx | but i realy like it | 06:33 |
| joejaxx | really* | 06:33 |
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| joejaxx | doing everything manually | 06:33 |
| joejaxx | instead of having a script do it | 06:33 |
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| superm1 | joejaxx, there is a limited about of automation you can get for your packaging via debhelper or cdbs | 07:17 |
| superm1 | if you haven't read the ubuntu packaging guide, you should take a look | 07:17 |
| joejaxx | superm1: i do not want the automation | 07:18 |
| superm1 | well debhelper just helps to build a skeleton | 07:18 |
| superm1 | for the packaging | 07:18 |
| superm1 | its a good start | 07:18 |
| joejaxx | i am happy with the debian new maintainer's method :) | 07:18 |
| Laser_away | they use debhelper I believe | 07:20 |
| superm1 | Hi LaserJock | 07:20 |
| joejaxx | i do not remember ever running that command | 07:20 |
| joejaxx | :\ | 07:20 |
| superm1 | moot point then if that was the case | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | what command? | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | dh_make? | 07:21 |
| kristog | yes the new maintainer guide uses debhelper | 07:21 |
| joejaxx | it does? | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | yes | 07:22 |
| joejaxx | interesting | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | you really do want to use debhelper at least | 07:23 |
| kristog | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.it.html#s-rules | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | otherwise you are making too much work for yourself | 07:23 |
| kristog | joejaxx, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-rules | 07:23 |
| joejaxx | kristog: ahh ok | 07:24 |
| joejaxx | pbuilder? | 07:24 |
| kristog | pbuilder is another tool | 07:25 |
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| joejaxx | kristog: that is not on the DNMG is it? | 07:25 |
| kristog | LaserJock, the ubuntu pkg differs to the debian guide? | 07:25 |
| kristog | what you mean with DNMG? | 07:25 |
| joejaxx | Debian New Maintainers Guide | 07:25 |
| kristog | yes it is | 07:26 |
| superm1 | it has a few ubuntu specific things in it | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | kristog: no, I wrote an Ubuntu Packaging Guide | 07:26 |
| superm1 | and explains how to use revu | 07:26 |
| superm1 | oh LaserJock you wrote it? Didn't realize that. props, great guide | 07:26 |
| kristog | LaserJock, cool :) url? | 07:26 |
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| JohnnyMast | whats the revu site again ? | 07:27 |
| kristog | (i don't see it in the topic)(sorry) | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | well, I had help and pulled from many sources | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | !packagingguide | 07:27 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | !REVU | 07:27 |
| ubotu | REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 07:27 |
| JohnnyMast | thaks laser :_ | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | that should also point to revu.tauware.de | 07:27 |
| joejaxx | ahh it ok | 07:27 |
| joejaxx | is* | 07:27 |
| joejaxx | -ok | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | the packaging guide is also shipped with Dapper and Edgy in the help system | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | for the occasions you aren't online ;-) | 07:30 |
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| lupine_85 | are there any plans to package IceWeasel? | 08:24 |
| lupine_85 | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ | 08:24 |
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| imbrandon | YESS !! new hdd just showed up, no more laptop only for me !!! | 08:58 |
| ryanakca | lol | 08:58 |
| gnomefreak | hey guys im using cdbs and during the dbuild im getting secret key not available but the key and all files are in ~/.gnupg | 08:59 |
| gnomefreak | how can i get it to sign the package | 08:59 |
| gnomefreak | im assuming importing my key again wont work | 09:00 |
| crimsun | are you using seahorse? | 09:00 |
| gnomefreak | no | 09:01 |
| gnomefreak | i dont think i installed it | 09:01 |
| gnomefreak | it is installed | 09:01 |
| gnomefreak | is this a bad thing? | 09:02 |
| crimsun | "this" being...? | 09:03 |
| kristog | no | 09:03 |
| kristog | gnomefreak, i use seahorse | 09:03 |
| gnomefreak | seahorse | 09:03 |
| kristog | use it :) | 09:03 |
| gnomefreak | debuild -S -sa how do i use it with that command | 09:04 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 09:04 |
| kristog | you don't have to use it directly | 09:05 |
| gnomefreak | http://gnomefreak.pastebin.com//802055 is the full eror | 09:05 |
| gnomefreak | error | 09:05 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 09:26 |
| kristog | morning ajmitch | 09:26 |
| Adri2000 | there is no archive admin here? :/ | 09:28 |
| tseng | its a weekend | 09:28 |
| tseng | no. | 09:29 |
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| Snake[Away] | Hey guys, if anyone has a moment, could you tell me, should I start building on Edgy or Dapper? I havn't built anything before, and i'm following this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch -- Good or bad? | 09:56 |
| Snake[Away] | or is there a better | 09:56 |
| Snake[Away] | Because it seems that one is a bit dated (horay) | 09:57 |
| Snake[Away] | hoary* | 09:57 |
| crimsun | Build on Dapper if your target is Dapper. Build on Edgy if your target is Edgy. | 09:57 |
| crimsun | where "build on foo" means "use a foo pbuilder" | 09:57 |
| Snake[Away] | Oh so I dont need to install the diffrent OSes or whatever? | 09:58 |
| Snake[Away] | I can build for edgy on dapper? | 09:58 |
| crimsun | certainly. | 09:58 |
| Snake[Away] | great | 09:58 |
| Snake[Away] | is it more difficult? heh | 09:58 |
| crimsun | pbuilder? It's a cinch. | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | it'll be harder to test afterwards though | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | hello crimsun | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | how's it going? | 09:58 |
| crimsun | hi ajmitch | 09:58 |
| Snake[Away] | Ah good point ajmitch .. | 09:58 |
| crimsun | not bad, yourself? | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | alright | 09:59 |
| Snake[Away] | Im sure I can find someone on edgy that can test though | 09:59 |
| BazziR | Snake: what sort of software are you building? | 09:59 |
| Snake | crimsun: do you have a more updated guide than the one I linked to? (I assume times have changed?) | 09:59 |
| Snake | BazziR: Not sure ye | 09:59 |
| Snake | t | 09:59 |
| crimsun | Snake: the packaging guide on help.ubuntu.com? | 10:00 |
| Snake | Just a few practice packages and whatnot | 10:00 |
| Snake | crimsun: well the one I linked to was on the wiki, but like I said, its dated from hoary | 10:00 |
| Snake | Ohhhh | 10:00 |
| Q-FUNK | Snake: the methodology remains the same regardless of which release you make your packages for. | 10:00 |
| Snake | Okay :) | 10:00 |
| BazziR | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html <- I think that#s the most recent/comlete guide | 10:01 |
| Snake | This is what I was lookin for: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html :) | 10:01 |
| Snake | BazziR: thanks hehe | 10:01 |
| BazziR | :o | 10:01 |
| Snake | is the KDE/Gnome building the same way? | 10:01 |
| BazziR | you mean having those as dependencies? | 10:02 |
| BazziR | or using them as desktops generally? | 10:02 |
| Snake | No I mean I don't have to have a diffrent program or somethign to build for KDE | 10:02 |
| Snake | then ahve a diffrent program to build for gnome | 10:02 |
| Snake | right? | 10:02 |
| BazziR | no it's all console-based | 10:02 |
| Q-FUNK | he means if there's any extra work involved in building GUI apps. | 10:02 |
| Snake | For the people to run on their systems | 10:02 |
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| BazziR | ah :) | 10:03 |
| Snake | Im assume I just need the libs? | 10:03 |
| BazziR | Snake: you just have to specify what libs are required and they will be downloaded and installed automatically when needed (if I understand you correctly) | 10:03 |
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| Snake | Bazzi: Basically | 10:04 |
| Snake | HEh | 10:04 |
| Q-FUNK | Snake: packaging desktop software, or perl or python modules, requires paying attention to a few more things than when pacaking simple commandline tools. | 10:05 |
| crimsun | Snake: psst, netboot. | 10:06 |
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| Snake | crimsun: where! lol | 10:07 |
| crimsun | dapper? edgy? | 10:07 |
| Snake | Q-FUNK: is it much more difficult than building the packages? | 10:08 |
| Snake | crimsun: Dapper *.1 if possible? | 10:08 |
| Snake | Q-FUNK: building the source** (Sorry) | 10:08 |
| crimsun | which arch? | 10:08 |
| Snake | crimsun: gnome | 10:08 |
| crimsun | no, I mean i386, x86_64, ppc, sparc, ... | 10:09 |
| Snake | Oh my bad | 10:09 |
| crimsun | although having a gnome "arch" would be ... | 10:09 |
| Snake | x386 | 10:09 |
| Snake | :-P | 10:09 |
| Snake | grrr | 10:09 |
| Snake | i386 | 10:09 |
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| crimsun | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ | 10:09 |
| Snake | wow thanks crimsun | 10:10 |
| Snake | I never knew about that | 10:10 |
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| Snake | " lintian and linda | 10:19 |
| Snake | dissect Debian packages and report bugs and Policy violations. They contain automated checks for many aspects of Debian Policy as well as for common errors. | 10:19 |
| Snake | " | 10:20 |
| Snake | What do they mean policy violations? | 10:20 |
| Adri2000 | the debian and ubuntu policies about packaging | 10:20 |
| Snake | Which include? | 10:21 |
| Toadstool | Snake: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ | 10:21 |
| Snake | ahhh | 10:22 |
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| Snake | crimsun: uhh if it says it cant retrive a package....should I hit continue or go back | 10:36 |
| Snake | they both sound bad | 10:36 |
| crimsun | which package is it failing on? (switch to another console to see) | 10:37 |
| Snake | a whole bunch | 10:38 |
| Snake | I keep getting it over and over | 10:38 |
| Snake | and now the install failed | 10:38 |
| lupine_85 | is this installing edgy? | 10:38 |
| Snake | dapper | 10:39 |
| lupine_85 | hmm | 10:39 |
| crimsun | if the netboot image is outdated, that'll happen | 10:39 |
| Snake | I just got the one you linked me to | 10:39 |
| crimsun | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ looks more current. | 10:40 |
| Snake | oh ok | 10:40 |
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| Toadstool | hmm, looks like bug 63718 is a libsexy bug instead of a xchat one... | 11:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63718 in xchat "xchat spellcheck bad interperatation" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63718 | 11:00 |
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| Snake | woah... | 11:02 |
| Snake | bug 63718 | 11:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63718 in xchat "xchat spellcheck bad interperatation" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63718 | 11:02 |
| Snake | awesome | 11:02 |
| Toadstool | :) | 11:03 |
| Snake | I thought Ubugtu was just a joke and fun bot :) | 11:03 |
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| imbrandon | woot buildbox it almost 100% back to its former self, just a fwe more things to tweak out | 11:09 |
| cvacubo | Good evening. I need help. I want to help Kubuntu Community and I create Lila icons deb package. But I don't know what i need to do for that package upload to repository for testing. Maybe you can help me with that ? | 11:11 |
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| crimsun | imbrandon will be more than willing to show you! | 11:12 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 11:12 |
| imbrandon | cvacubo, you have already made the package ? | 11:13 |
| cvacubo | imbrandon, yes. | 11:14 |
| imbrandon | cvacubo, have you ever used REVU ? or know about it? ( if not i can explain it ) but that would be the first step after the package is made | 11:14 |
| cvacubo | But I don't know what I need to do ? I need to upload that package to REVU ? | 11:14 |
| imbrandon | if its new to ubuntu | 11:14 |
| imbrandon | cvacubo, yes REVU would be the next step | 11:14 |
| cvacubo | I read about REVU, but I don't understand, I need dput my package and thats all ??? | 11:15 |
| cvacubo | Or what ? | 11:15 |
| imbrandon | well first you have to join the LP team | 11:15 |
| imbrandon | have you done that ? | 11:15 |
| cvacubo | Yes, this package new for Ubuntu. This package suggested in Kubuntu.org | 11:15 |
| imbrandon | ok add your self to this team http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy | 11:16 |
| cvacubo | LP Team? This is a Launchpad ? | 11:16 |
| imbrandon | yes | 11:16 |
| imbrandon | once you are on that team then you/me/we can ping a REVU admin to sync the keyring, then you can dput to REVU | 11:17 |
| imbrandon | for a MOTU to review it and upload | 11:17 |
| Toadstool | cvacubo: you will need a GPG key too | 11:18 |
| cvacubo | imbrandon, one moment please. I want check my Launchpad login... | 11:18 |
| imbrandon | cvacubo, yes i dident look at your LP page but if you dont have a GPG key you will need to create one and upload that to your LP profile | 11:18 |
| imbrandon | first | 11:18 |
| cvacubo | imbrandon, I have GPG key and send this key to Launchpad. And I joined to "Contributors of packages for ubuntu universe" | 11:19 |
| cvacubo | Yes I uploaded in my LP profile and signed Code of conduct | 11:20 |
| imbrandon | ok good | 11:20 |
| cvacubo | My LP login Artem Abramyan. Nickname Cvacubo | 11:20 |
| imbrandon | now we need to ask a REVU admin to sync the keyring, aj^mitch is probably not arround right now but siretart might be | 11:20 |
| imbrandon | siretart, ping | 11:20 |
| imbrandon | ( if not i'll look on the list to see whom else is a REVU admin ) | 11:21 |
| cvacubo | siretart, ping ??? What is this ? Sorry, my english is so bad | 11:21 |
| crimsun | (to note raphink, gauvain, and sispoty are also admins) | 11:21 |
| crimsun | (and mez, too) | 11:21 |
| imbrandon | cvacubo, it means i'm trying to get his attentian | 11:21 |
| imbrandon | attention* | 11:21 |
| Toadstool | gauvin is a REVU admin? I didn't know that, good news :p | 11:22 |
| Toadstool | *gauvain even | 11:22 |
| imbrandon | i have a tiber login but i have no idea how to sync the keyring heh | 11:22 |
| crimsun | Toadstool: yep | 11:22 |
| cvacubo | After sync the keyring I need to dput my package ? | 11:22 |
| imbrandon | cvacubo, yup | 11:23 |
| cvacubo | imbrandon, thanks a lot. | 11:23 |
| imbrandon | then it will be on the list for all MOTU's to revu and give you input or possibly upload | 11:23 |
| imbrandon | ( note the universe is in a freeze right now but its still good to go though the processes and get it ready ) | 11:23 |
| cvacubo | Now I need find REVU admins and ask for sync keyring ? | 11:23 |
| imbrandon | cvacubo, yes , all have been "pinged" e.g. their name hilighted so next chance one of them gets it will be done | 11:24 |
| imbrandon | best to just wait arround and chat/learn/idle/etc , its just waiting now | 11:24 |
| cvacubo | imbrandon, ok, thanks a lot for help... thanks | 11:25 |
| imbrandon | np, i'm gonna go back to finishing up my install if you need something just say my name , my IRC lcient beeps at me so if i'm on the computer i'll answer ;) | 11:26 |
| imbrandon | if not there are lots of helpfull folks in here | 11:26 |
| imbrandon | s/lcient/client | 11:26 |
| crimsun | just set up a script to flood his irc nick every two minutes. | 11:27 |
| imbrandon | lol | 11:27 |
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| imbrandon | actualy my client uses "/usr/share/sounds/KDE_Beep_Ahem.wav" ( probably only present if you have KDE installed ) | 11:28 |
| imbrandon | heh | 11:28 |
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| siretart | cvacubo: imbrandon. huh? | 11:44 |
| crimsun | they need a keyring sync for revu | 11:45 |
| imbrandon | siretart, can you please sync the REVU keyring so cvacubo can have upload rights | 11:45 |
| siretart | oh, sure. just triggered a sync | 11:47 |
| imbrandon | thanks | 11:47 |
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| siretart | cvacubo: done, you should be able to upload now | 11:51 |
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| pianoboy3333 | Are you guys gonna make packages for firefox rc2 and gaim2.0.0 b4? | 12:05 |
| pianoboy3333 | for edgy? | 12:05 |
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| crimsun | pianoboy3333: no, because those are main packages. | 12:06 |
| crimsun | they have nothing to do with universe. | 12:06 |
| pianoboy3333 | oh | 12:07 |
| pianoboy3333 | crimsun: do you think that the ubuntu guys are gonna package them? | 12:07 |
| crimsun | I don't know. | 12:07 |
| pianoboy3333 | kk.... | 12:08 |
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