[12:11] azeem: I suspect something is wrong during the build, like without -rfakeroot or something === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:13] hrm, maybe === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-087-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] Hey all. === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] is there different policies in Ubuntu debian/rules than Debian? [12:31] nope [12:32] ok, thanks [12:34] in the install rule should I test for root, with dh_testroot? [12:35] or I just do a distclean [12:35] dh_testroot is fine I think [12:36] nevermind, I just misread my diff [12:39] while I trying to fix a bug, is it correct to merge some the changes from Debian? [12:40] or, should I just keep it the minimum [12:40] try to keep divergence to a minimum, but if we need it, we need it [12:41] what if there's some real ugliness in the rules file? [12:42] like calling ln -s twenty times [12:43] instead of calling dh_installman [12:46] theCore: does the package Build-Depend on debhelper? [12:46] azeem, yes === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] aw crap, missed nafallo === jdong bangs head on desk [12:49] I don't know why but I find packaging quite fun [12:50] jdong: I respectfully disagree regarding backporting being managed by one person. Although I definitely encourage you to seek ubuntu-dev membership to alleviate the bottleneck in processing backports, backports really need to be confirmed by a majority of the team members. [12:51] crimsun: me too... there used to be a more active backporting team, but they've all gone their directions [12:51] the whole way backports is done needs to be re-hashed [12:51] maybe I'll add that to TB instead [12:53] currently core-dev can upload to dapper-backports, so that's not a bottleneck [12:53] is there a how to for nackports [12:53] I'm happy to elide the team into a sort of de facto ubuntu-backports-sponsors [12:53] backports* [12:56] gnomefreak: take an edgy package, add "~dapper1" to the version, and send it through a dapper pbuilder [12:56] gnomefreak: the hours and hours of work is in making sure those packages work [12:56] and even with those hours one person can still let things slip through [12:56] *cough* flashplayer *cough* :( [12:57] ...which should /not/ have been backported. It should have gone into -security. [12:57] is there a way to use something like -proposed? [12:57] or is that adding too many layers [12:57] Laser_away: unofficial backports had a proposed (staging) repo [12:57] official backports doesn't [12:57] there's unofficial backports? === gnomefreak would like to play with that see if i cant get hang of it. so only dapper pbuilder is needed no edgy one? [12:58] unofficial? sure. hello ch*kinstall? === crimsun washes out his mouth [01:00] crimsun: if it's good enough for a distro it's got to be good enough for -backports ;-) [01:00] :-) === theCore gives a soap bar to crimsun === Laser_away [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:10] jdong: all i need is a dapper pbuilder for backports or building dapper packages/patches [01:10] what is the syntax for debian/package.manpages? === gnomefreak loves checkinstall :( [01:17] gnomefreak: that's deserving of a ban in here :) [01:18] ;) it was what i learned im building pbuilder atm so maybe no more using it ;) [01:18] brb dinner [01:20] sigh [01:21] from someone coming in to upstream's channel asking a question, to leaving because they think the project is dead.. 3 minutes [01:21] that has to be a new record === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] whaa! Another kernel. [01:26] yay! [01:32] anyone know anything here about gpgkeys? i cannot build packages until i solve this gpg issue [01:32] TheMuso, there's a new kernel everyday === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-24-82-64-161-139.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=bob@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] Heya gang [01:52] hi === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy__ [n=mati@acw227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] Heya ajmitch === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] pbuilder doesnt like to build on edgy :( === awbassett [n=andrew@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] whee. anyone want to sponsor my inkscape fix for bug 63644? I've attached a debdiff for it. [02:05] Malone bug 63644 in inkscape "Annoying error pop up when saving for first time." [Unknown,Unknown] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63644 === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [i=anibal@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:31] can i skip this step? sudo pbuilder build *.dsc its tell me no pbuilderrc file [02:31] and *.dsc is bad [02:31] That is just a warning [02:31] yea [02:31] just a warning [02:31] ok so im ok on both of those? [02:32] I don't think you can specify *.dsc [02:32] But I could be wrong === gnomefreak going by guide. same guide that gave me issues last time i tried packaging [02:32] sure you can [02:33] gnomefreak: "pdebuild" in the source tree [02:33] if you have 1 .dsc file in the cwd === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-24-82-64-161-139.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:36] anyone here works with meta packages? [02:39] what does dh_install -s ? [02:39] man dh_install [02:40] chillywilly, -s isn't documented [02:40] that's why I ask === ryanakca [n=ryan@unaffiliated/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] theCore: there are common options for all the dh_* scripts and they are documented in man debhelper [02:41] Toadstool, thanks [02:41] Toadstool: do you build meta-packages? [02:41] joejaxx: er, why? [02:41] i have built one but i have a question about it [02:42] just ask :) [02:42] ok [02:42] well i was looking at the ubuntu-meta package [02:42] and i followed the same format for the fluxbuntu-meta package [02:42] but during build time i get warning [02:43] like that [02:43] dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${fluxbuntu-desktop:Depends} [02:43] like this* [02:43] hmm, wait, having a look at ubuntu-meta [02:45] instead of putting that variable there should i just put the depends? [02:45] where does dh_installman should be called? [02:46] in install or binary-arch? [02:46] joejaxx: look at how the ubuntu-$$package:Depends substitution vars are generated in ubuntu-meta debian/rules [02:46] ok [02:46] the for loop in build-stamp: target [02:48] oh [02:49] so now i have to create fluxbuntu-* seeds? [02:50] or should i just replace the variables with the real depends? [02:50] hmm... dunno [02:51] do you know exactly what Depnds you want? [02:51] yeah [02:51] but it seems that that build-stamp way is better [02:51] because it pulls from the seed list [02:52] so all you have to do is update the seed list [02:53] and use germinate [02:54] which is done by the update script in ubuntu-meta afaik [02:55] well there is no such thing as fluxbuntu-* seeds right now [02:57] so i think it whould just be better to manually have the depends in there [03:01] joejaxx: seeds are just text files in a bzr branch -> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ [03:02] what the recommended optimization flag? -Os or -O2 [03:02] what is* [03:03] Toadstool: yeah i know those are the official ubuntu seeds though === micahcowan [n=micahcow@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] Toadstool: it is not like i can create fluxbuntu seeds and have them put there lol [03:07] no but you can put them somewhere else [03:08] but how do i change where the os looks for the seeds? [03:09] dunno, there must be some kind of option for germinate [03:09] oh ok [03:09] actually i think there is [03:10] where is germinate called in this process? [03:11] joejaxx: it's not automatically called [03:12] it's explained in README [03:12] and you can configure where update look for seeds in update.cfg ;) [03:12] *looks [03:13] boom found it [03:13] Toadstool: i did not see that README other wise i whould have read it [03:13] sorry about that [03:13] np [03:13] seed_base = 'http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/%s/ :D === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-68-251-183-110.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] is there a cleaner way to do this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25866/ [03:55] I'm thinking using a variable with a for loop === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] any ideas? === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-80-45.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121nli.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] I am not lucky today; 3 questions, 0 answer :/ === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] I guess I will be on my own for this one === pcniatic [n=mauro@pc-83-103-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] OK, I am learning to fucking hate scanf() [04:39] theCore: Sorry, I just don't know [04:39] bddebian, it's alright, I found out myself [04:45] bddebian: still on your I-want-to-ignore-non-numeric-chars-with-scanf issue? [04:46] Toadstool: No, now I'm trying to restrict the number of chars in a string === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] oh, ok === twanj [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:52] bddebian, I think all expert C users have learned to hate scanf(). [04:55] scanf() isn't very good for restricting input characters in a string. To do it, you have to specify the limiting number of characters... as a string. So when that upper limit needs to be dynamic... well, it kinda sucks. [04:55] micahcowan: What's a better way? gets(), getch()? [04:56] bddebian, gets() is evil. Never use it for anything. [04:56] Probably fgets() or similar. I'll typically use fgets() or something, and then I might use sscanf() if I wanted more interesting conversions... [04:56] What is the diff between scanf() and sscanf()? [04:57] sscanf() scans a string instead of stdin. [04:57] how much changes I'm allowed to do in debian/ past the freeze? [04:58] bddebian, I saw an article once about using scanf() securely [04:59] maybe I could find it === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:00] I've very few uses for scanf(), actually: strtol() and the like give much better error-handling for numeric conversions, and most of the time I can just search for the end of whatever other token I might want. the character classes can occaisionally be handy, though. [05:00] *I've found very few... === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] hmm, it seems a better solution is using fgets with sscanf [05:02] but, then you still need to check for malicious input [05:03] micahcowan: So what do you use to get user input? === pschulz01 [n=paul@202.174.42.5] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] G'day... [05:05] bddebian, usually fgets(), and then process the resulting string. If I can assume GNU, then I might use getline() instead. [05:05] bddebian: users?! since when do C programmers care about users? :) === bddebian kills himself [05:06] readline() if I want fancier capabilities [05:06] I am looking at libgphoto2-2.2.1 documentation. I would like to submit a patch, but there are three different documentation types present (lyx,sgml,txt). Anyone have any idea what the 'real' documentation is? [05:07] The 'sgml' file says that it was generated by lyx. [05:08] I'm guessing that it's the lyx file then, [05:08] bddebian, how about this? char buffer[21] ; fgets(buffer, 20, stdin); if (strchr(buffer, '\n')) {(*(strchr(buffer, '\n'))) = '\0';} [05:09] What happens if I input 22 chars? [05:09] it will only read the first 20 [05:10] including the \n [05:10] so, only 19 will be read [05:10] Are you sure? I did a similar thing with scanf() and it overflows the buffer [05:10] pretty much [05:10] scanf() is built that way. Note that fgets() specifically takes a size argument. [05:11] So does scanf() supposedly, if I use scanf( "%10s", foo ) [05:11] However, whatever's left over will still be left in stdin, so you have to flush it out (/not/ with fflush()) by reading until the newline. [05:11] That shouldn't have overflowed the buffer if foo was size 11 or more... [05:11] foo = malloc (sizeof (char) * 11) [05:12] sizeof (char) is always 1 [05:12] Yes [05:12] I know that was a stupid way to do it :) [05:12] How did you detect overflow? === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] I'm dumping it all to a "stack".. I'll post the code is a sec [05:14] s/is/in/ [05:17] micahcowan: No laughing: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/junk/ams/learn3.c :) [05:20] GNU/Hurd? :) [05:22] nice a calculator [05:22] bddebian, do you know about function pointers? === micah_c [n=micah@adsl-69-236-74-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:24] is it a reverse-polish calc? [05:26] uptime: 3.8 months. that's a lot [05:26] Toadstool: But of course :) [05:26] theCore: For Hurd it is :) [05:27] bddebian, you're not doing kernel update often, for sure [05:27] theCore: Yes I know about function pointers, I'm just playing/learning [05:28] bddebian: I am playing with Pistachio and other microkernels at work :) [05:28] I got Steven's APUE just beside me, I think I will play/learn a little bit too [05:29] Toadstool: Sweet, finish porting that sucker to GNU/Hurd will ya? ;-P [05:29] bddebian: you still persist with that hurd stuff? [05:29] bddebian: haha [05:29] ajmitch: Yep, got 5 of them running now :-) [05:29] bddebian: port mach to xen kthx [05:29] ajmitch: youpi is doing that [05:30] oh good, then it might be remotely useful to work on :) [05:30] I saw the task open on savannah, didn't know someone was doing it [05:31] a herd of Hurd! [05:31] theCore: no, a hird [05:32] anybody know of some web pased project managment software? [05:33] ajmitch, :) [05:34] So the one guy I ask to look at my shitty code doesn't answer :-( [05:35] bddebian: maybe he's recovering [05:35] :'-( [05:35] it's your code bddebian? [05:36] yep [05:37] can you do that in C++? [05:37] :-) [05:38] Not a freakin' chance but I'm going to try it in assembler next :-) [05:38] ugh! [05:38] hmm, how about python? [05:38] Possibly [05:38] I did a similar thing in postscript a while back [05:39] I'm wanting to learn C++ [05:39] that's why I asked [05:39] Me too eventually [05:40] LaserJock, maybe you should with C [05:40] Gah micahcowan left :-( [05:41] LaserJock, C++ is a big-hairy beast [05:41] I didn't think it was THAT bad :-( [05:41] well, I have a project I want to help with that is written in C++ [05:43] The L4 microkernel? ;-) [05:43] "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." -- Bjarne Stroustrup [05:43] haha [05:43] that's my favourite quote about C++ === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-74-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:45] it's a gnome chemistry project [05:45] cool [05:46] it really is a sweet project [05:46] actually several [05:46] all done by one guy [05:47] LaserJock, what the name of the app? [05:47] what's* [05:47] Oh, the guy with the website for bkchem and all that? [05:49] not bkchem, I don't think [05:49] he does [05:50] chemical-mime-data [05:50] gnome-chemistry-utils [05:50] gchempaint [05:50] by himself [05:50] and also works on goffice and abiword [05:50] Oh aye, the chemical-mime-data stuff === ehazlett [n=ehazlett@adsl-68-251-183-110.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:54] what does I do when I'm done with my package? [05:55] put it on REVU [05:55] LaserJock, it is not a new package [05:56] I just post my patch on Launchpad? [05:58] yea if its not new, post a debdiff on the LP bug it fixes and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] theCore, ^ [05:58] moins all [05:58] and what if it does not just fix the bug [05:59] I cleaned up the whole debian/rules file [05:59] well its got to fix /something/ otherwise it wouldent be needed heh, so make a bug of the problem you fixed and attach it [06:00] only cleaned up the debian/rules ? [06:00] Heya imbrandon [06:00] heya bddebian [06:00] theCore, is the package in debian ? === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] I think I will adopt the package [06:03] it haven't been updated since 2005 [06:03] is it orphaned in debian? [06:04] heya ajmitch [06:04] imbrandon, I made the package conform with the latest debian-policy, corrected the python extension problem, and made the rules file more readable [06:04] hello imbrandon [06:04] ajmitch, I don't think so [06:05] theCore, ahh well thats a bit more than "cleaned up the rules" heh [06:05] ajmitch, I used debian version as a reference for fixing the bug [06:05] so you plan to fork the packaging from what debian has? [06:05] imbrandon, I'm not done yet, though [06:06] imbrandon, I still have to correct debian/*.{dirs,files} [06:06] theCore, ok i'm missing something here, its not orphaned in debian but your changing it from debian ? [06:06] imbrandon, it's orphaned in Ubuntu [06:07] the package is libming [06:07] I see [06:07] theCore, there is no sense of orphaning in Ubuntu, we all maintain all packages as a group, and if its maintained in debian it cant be orphaned as we sync from them [06:07] theCore: have you looked at the 'ming' source package in debian? [06:07] there also errors in the Debian version [06:07] ajmitch, yea [06:08] *yes [06:08] we strongly discourage people from doing random forks of debian packaging [06:08] theCore, great , this is one of the times then you make a patch and send it upstream to the debian maintainer [06:08] it duplicates work & causes friction [06:08] yea what ajmitch said [06:08] imbrandon, that's what I want to [06:08] theCore: you said it hasn't been updated for a year - ming was last updated about 8 weeks ago in debian [06:09] ajmitch, do you know why it haven't been sync'ed? [06:09] because we have upstream version freeze early in the edgy cycle which applies across the whole distro for stopping of autosyncs [06:10] hence anything from the main UVF until universe freeze had to be manually synced === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] ajmitch, well, it been a year, that's before edgy started... [06:11] he just said it was updated 8 weeks ago [06:11] thats not [06:12] ajmitch: man i hope i have no missed the feature freeze [06:12] not* [06:12] joejaxx, yea by quite a bit [06:12] joejaxx: oh we're well past feature freeze for edgy [06:12] the release schedule is in the topic bro [06:13] oh nevermind [06:13] universe has nothing to do with the feature freeze [06:13] no, but we have universe freeze as of a week ago [06:13] yea but universe freeze is here too [06:13] the other problem is that Debian changed the name of the package [06:14] in Debian, libming is called just ming [06:14] imbrandon: so i should be compiling for edgy+1? [06:14] joejaxx, yea but edgy+1 is edgy atm [06:14] same toolchain [06:14] i guess i waited to long [06:15] that is back to oct. 15 2005 [06:15] that's probably why it haven't been sync'ed [06:15] imbrandon: i guess i am going to have to keep fluxbuntu-* in the fluxbuntu repos until edgy+1 [06:16] ajmitch, does auto-sync handle name changes? [06:17] Gnight folks [06:17] theCore, what 2 packages are you talking about [06:17] gnight bddebian [06:17] goodnight bddebian [06:17] imbrandon, libming [06:18] imbrandon, in Debian, it's `ming' [06:18] since the name change, it haven't been updated [06:19] theCore: again, the name change was after the syncs stopped [06:19] [2006-07-05] Accepted 1:0.3.0-6 in unstable (low) (Stuart R. Anderson) [06:19] thats AFTER the syncs stoped [06:19] it will go next sync round [06:19] probably only just aftre [06:21] so, what should I do? [06:22] imbrandon: may i pm you? [06:22] joejaxx, i dont mind [06:22] theCore, file a sync request and have a MOTU ack it or wait till auto syncing starts again [06:24] is there a place that explains how to do that? [06:24] theCore, last url in the topic [06:25] imbrandon, thanks [06:26] nice [06:26] autopkgtest in the NEW queue [06:27] seems that iwj has some xen/lvm magic going for it === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] does posix regex is allowed in debian/*.files [06:42] ok, I think I will send the patch to upstream, then request a sync [06:42] but for now, I need to sleep [06:42] cya all [06:47] hmm, I really need learn how to blog :/ [06:49] LaserJock: ? [06:50] they're really long and boring [06:50] nah, they're not boring [06:50] put it on planet already [06:50] oh good, it is :) [06:54] yea ajmitch where is yours , finaly got LaserJock on it;) [06:54] imbrandon: I'm too boring to blog [06:55] bah [06:55] heh [06:55] you're not boring at all [06:57] I have nothing to blog about, at least :) [06:57] hmm, I think I've often got too much to blog about [06:57] I have to watch it [06:58] especially after the whole gallium thing [06:58] people actually take these planet posts seriously [06:58] gallium ? [06:58] another reason why I avoid blogging [06:59] did you read the last post from ian basicly saying joey was full of sh*t [07:01] hm, good post by SynRG about ichthux & ubuntu CE [07:01] I thought so [07:01] imbrandon: I saw that [07:02] imbrandon: last weekend there was a little "incident" with Edubuntu and KDE-Edu over a little project a few of us were working on [07:02] imbrandon: no, I didn't see it [07:02] ajmitch, its still on p.d.o i think [07:02] LaserJock, ahh [07:03] it was rather intense there for a couple days [07:03] imbrandon: ian murdock? [07:03] ajmitch, yea === ajmitch refuses to comment on that whole mess :) [07:04] isn't he the guy who started Debian? or am I thinking of somebody else [07:04] ajmitch, http://ianmurdock.com/?p=358 [07:04] LaserJock, yea is is the deb"ian" in debian [07:05] his better half is debbie , e.g the "deb"ian ;) [07:05] right, that's what I thought [07:05] what does he do these days on Debian? [07:05] he works on LSB alot iirc [07:05] just like any other maintainer afaik === ajmitch gets bored & changes his desktop background [07:06] heh [07:07] yipee fluxbuntu was mentioned on planet.ubuntu.com [07:07] http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/img_0110.jpg [07:07] small photo [07:07] for not keeping up with ubuntu development haha [07:08] where? I didn't see anybody say that :-) === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:08] LaserJock: look at the first blog [07:08] heh [07:08] joejaxx: you mean that shady jordan mantha person? [07:08] joejaxx: LaserJock == Jordan Mantha [07:08] joejaxx, that IS LaserJock [07:09] heh [07:09] LaserJock: :) [07:09] still shady :) [07:09] lol [07:09] ajmitch: that's a rather nice view [07:09] i wish we could keep up with ubuntu development [07:09] :\ [07:09] LaserJock: that's the view from my bedroom [07:09] lol [07:09] I didn't say you were not keeping up [07:09] those 'large buildings' are the centre of the city [07:09] very nice [07:10] you can just make out the harbour on the left, and the pacific ocean beyond [07:11] LaserJock: well i am going to be making the seeds so that fluxbuntu-meta can pull from them tomorrow [07:12] excellent [07:12] good progress [07:13] thanks [07:13] cool pic ajmitch [07:14] ajmitch: yeah that looks nice === imbrandon 's walpaper is /almost/ porn [07:14] cheap but effective digital camera [07:14] lol [07:14] dodgy [07:14] lol [07:16] hmm, I have stock artwork :-) [07:17] I usually never have an install around long enough to care about the background [07:19] http://federation.imbrandon.com/ss108.png [07:20] argg [07:20] thats a good one ;) [07:20] darn this european date format [07:20] I thought something was dated July 10th [07:23] I don't know how that came about but it's really odd to me [07:24] heh [07:24] "I know, lets transpose the month and the year!" I bet it was some trick to confuse the stupid Americans ;-) [07:24] s/year/day/ [07:24] see, now I'm all confused [07:25] sigh [07:25] just got an f-spot bug in debian for a rather outdated version === ajmitch needs to get 0.2.1 into testing [07:26] you maintain f-spot in debian? === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:28] I think I'd like being a DD if it didn't take so long to go through the NM process [07:28] LaserJock: ajmitch is just glutton for punishment. [07:29] StevenK: same goes for you :P [07:29] I like how you get to know a package, and it's more about packaging and less about the next freeze [07:29] LaserJock, exactly === StevenK thinks he prefers the Debian of a few years ago, where every second sentence wasn't "Ubuntu sucks" [07:29] since with 2-3 years between releases, who needs to freeze? [07:29] lol [07:30] If you can avoid the politics I think Debian is a rather nice place to be [07:30] it's somewhat depressing seeing what happens in debian at times [07:30] ajmitch: Agreed. [07:32] I'd apply for DD too if it didn't take as long === StevenK didn't take too long to become a DD. :-P [07:32] how long? [07:32] haha StevenK but we all not demi gods [07:32] LaserJock: A week from applying to getting my account. [07:32] StevenK, got it in what 5 days ? [07:33] StevenK: Hooooow? [07:33] StevenK: lol [07:33] TheMuso: Just lucky, I guess. [07:33] nowadays you'd be lucky to get it under a year [07:33] TheMuso: It was a combination of a lot of factors - I can list them if you like. [07:33] StevenK: Nah its fine. [07:34] TheMuso: It's quicker to explain in person, remind me next time I see you. [07:34] um ok [07:34] I've never hear of doing it that fast === imbrandon is content working on ubuntu and letting debian worry about the changes, i'll present them to sponsors , if they take them cool, if not , their loss , but i'm not jumping through hoops [07:35] What I hate is how Ubuntu has to change to suit Debian. [07:36] I'd rather make changes in Debian in the first place and not have to worry about it again in Ubuntu [07:36] TheMuso: it involves money & beer [07:36] LaserJock: Ideally that would be great. [07:36] ajmitch: It does not. [07:36] mmmm, beeer [07:37] StevenK: close enough === StevenK ponders working on a bug or two instead of hacking on ASP like he should be. === ajmitch is actually trying to get some bug stuff done [07:37] that's why 2 monitors are useful [07:38] I can keep the distraction of IRC on one === LaserJock is going to bed [07:38] night LaserJock [07:38] gnight LaserJock [07:38] night [07:38] Night LaserJock. [07:38] Launchpad needs a "Repeat the current search" button. [07:38] I've done enough damage on planet for one night ;-) [07:38] LaserJock: time to duck the flames? [07:38] StevenK: I don't blame you for avoiding asp. [07:39] ajmitch: I doubt flames. I'm thinking more "What the heck is he saying?" [07:39] TheMuso: Heh. It's for a uni assignment, so I really ought to do it. [07:41] goodnight Laser_away :) [07:42] imbrandon: i am going to try and start releasing developmental releases in sync with the ubuntu ones [07:44] imbrandon: is there a way to know when the ubuntu developmental releases will be released? [07:44] joejaxx: it's in the topic [07:44] first url in the topic joejaxx [07:44] EdgyReleaseSchedule [07:45] no not that [07:45] i mean future wise :) [07:45] that has a list of the current ones [07:45] other than that just hang out and learn the way, the next release schedule will be worked out dirring UDS Moutain View [07:45] generally every 6 months === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:46] ajmitch: imbrandon i mean the developmental releaases [07:46] like knots [07:46] or flights like there were in dapper [07:46] that will be worked out in the future [07:46] those are on the release schedule, but thats worked out in UDS [07:47] so there is no way to know when edgy beta 2 is coming so i can prepare to release in sync? [07:48] there won't be a beta 2 [07:48] there is no beta 2, but RC is on the schedule for the 19th [07:48] imbrandon: ok that is what i meant [07:48] :) [07:52] so that is a week and a half [07:52] ok [07:52] bbl === imbrandon yawns [08:00] hrm i wonder how hard it would be to make a ubuntu seed and livefs from scratch the "ubuntu way" [08:00] somehow i dont think there is doc's about it online [08:01] imbrandon: What do you want to do? [08:01] TheMuso, just learn how to make a proper deritive ( not just customize a already made cd ) [08:02] no real "goal" [08:02] Fair enough. [08:02] It would be nice to know. [08:02] yea, at leaste the process behind it all === imbrandon starts digging a little [08:15] imbrandon: what do you want to know? [08:15] and how "from scratch" do you want to go? [08:16] from bootstraping the base install on up [08:16] but anystart would be good [08:16] hmm, well from scratch you can as Kamion for some scripts they use [08:17] the ones I've been involved with started with an existing .iso and then changed it from within [08:17] yea i planned to once i got a little more edgucated about it so i dident goto him and say "duh duh can you .,.,. blah blah blah" [08:17] people are alive this late at night? [08:17] as you already have the casper stuff [08:17] LaserJock, yea i have customized the iso before [08:18] well, there is customized as in change some artwork [08:18] ya, and he wanted me to go buy a dvd burner so i could try his iso out [08:18] and then there is customized like we do with Ichthux [08:18] no as in removed oo.o , all the default settings, more packages etc [08:19] i did a imbrandon version of kubuntu with no oo.o and koffice instead with all the meadia codecs etc [08:19] ;) [08:19] plus new artwork ;) [08:19] in Icthux we have -deskto, -docs, -default-settings [08:19] and he tried to burn it to LP [08:19] LaserJock, yea but how do you then generate the isos [08:19] from those [08:20] ok, the basic idea is: [08:20] get the .iso [08:20] unpack it [08:20] oh so the custom way [08:20] chroot into the unpacked squashfs [08:20] not the ubuntu way [08:20] right , yea thats how i did it [08:20] well, sort of [08:20] it's somewhat in between [08:20] ahh [08:20] we then change the initrd [08:21] the scripts that set up the livecd user [08:21] install -desktop, etc. meta packages [08:21] in the future though I think we are going to the Ubuntu way [08:21] right i'm with you so far [08:21] it's more complicated [08:22] ok yea i have done that ( the way your doing it now ) [08:22] but it's a little more satisfying [08:22] hehe yea [08:22] i'm at the same point [08:22] I believe Kamion gave raphink a script [08:22] for doing it the Ubuntu way [08:23] but there is still quite a bit that uses the Ubuntu infrastructure [08:23] cool [08:23] the s3kr3t sauce [08:23] so it's not easy to just "do it the Ubuntu way" [08:23] kamion has stuff in his bzr branches for this [08:23] as they use a fair amount of Soyuz magic I think [08:23] debian-cd & related stuff [08:24] apparently sometime "soon" Soyuz might start supporting derivatives [08:24] do they use make-live ? [08:24] LaserJock: 'soon' has been said for awhile now [08:24] yes [08:25] well, it sounded like early 2007 [08:25] I think Ichthux might be a test derivative [08:25] at least the LP guys were interested in that [08:26] ;) [08:26] well i wouldent mind helping out joejaxx get on his feet ( i dont think i could make a long term commitment to it ) but i dont want to put the time into customizing the iso , it seems to hackish to me [08:27] thats one reason for me to learn BUT i would also just liek to "know" [08:27] like* [08:27] yeah, I know what you mean [08:27] we get questions about .iso customization all the time [08:27] it'd be nice to have a least some clue [08:27] although i do know what you mean, i did do that for my own dapper kubuntu live cd [08:28] as far as unpacking the squashfs , the initrd , the package changes etc etc [08:28] Then there is the fun of casper. [08:29] but thats not really a /good/ solution for repition as i'm sure your finding out with itc* [08:29] ( sorry for got the name heh ) [08:30] actually, it isn't too bad [08:30] we have a lot of it automated [08:30] cool [08:31] we have a standard initrd and a script that updates the manifest files [08:31] nice [08:31] you spend more time unpacking and packing [08:32] yea , that takes a while [08:32] and transferring the .iso to mirrors [08:32] well not tooooo long but a good while [08:32] mostly the repacking [08:32] torrents ;) [08:32] bah [08:33] i thought about making the codec enhanced kubuntu avail via torrent [08:33] since its kinda iffy in some places ;) [08:34] brb [08:34] bah, who needs codecs :-) [08:34] people shouldn't be listening to music or watch movies anyway [08:34] they should be fixing bugs and contributing packages to REVU [08:34] or to Debian [08:34] hehe [08:35] although I do listen to music while packaging ;) [08:35] I listen to music, but its from my own CDs in FLAC format. [08:35] yea i dont think i could sit at the computer without tunes cranked [08:35] about 70% is from my own cd's 10% from itunes , and the rest from "arround" [08:36] heh [08:36] I have a lot of .mp3s ripped from CDs [08:36] but I convert them to ogg if I play them in linux usually === Marsmensch [n=daniel@dslb-084-056-071-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] scary stuff - vista RC2 in vmware [08:40] will my computer be powerful enough ? ;) [08:40] yucky [08:41] oh that's wonderful [08:41] it doesn't have a driver for the vmware cd drive [08:41] heh [08:42] somehow that seems interntional [08:42] wouldn't surprise me in the least [08:42] I don't really feel like installing it on a real system [08:42] yeah, it's like these silly bootcamp people that got all excited when you could dual boot Windows and OS X [08:43] i have rc1 on the computer upstairs dualbooting [08:43] I couldn't belive you'd want to go down in OS quality ;-) [08:43] LaserJock: MS do have some useful ideas [08:43] I guess, I just find things work a whole lot better in Ubuntu [08:44] of course [08:44] I don't plan to use it for any real work [08:44] ;) [08:44] if I was more into different areas of computing I'm sure I could see more uses [08:45] but mostly I want ssh, web browser, good printing, laptop support, and good music/video stuff [08:45] all of which Ubuntu does much better [08:47] my wife even seems to like it after I got here FF bookmarks back and the form completion set up [08:47] *her [08:49] ;) [08:50] I wonder what the vista hardware requirements are === StevenK notes LaserJock just said he was going to bed. [08:51] I read about it a long time ago for longhorn [08:51] yes, well [08:51] I took my shower and the wife went to bed [08:51] I'm supposed to be working === LaserJock shuts up [08:51] IRC is work, isn't it? [08:51] Isn't it?! [08:52] yes, StevenK, of course it is... [08:52] Heh [08:52] have any of you used dak? [08:53] not that brave === StevenK has submitted one small patch [08:53] do you see it as really very useful for the normal user/sys admin? [08:53] it seems a bit overkill to me [08:54] LaserJock, falcon is alot easier for normal every day repos ( less than 300 packages ) [08:54] falcon? I've not heard of that [08:54] I've seen reprepo and mini-dinstall [08:55] Seveas made it for his repos but me and a few others use it now, its really nice, handles mirrors auto etc etc etc [08:55] LaserJock: No. dak is .... hardcore [08:55] reprepro and mini-dinstall both suck, I've tried to use both of them. [08:56] We use apt-move at work, and that's a little archaic. [08:56] StevenK: what do you suggest to people then? [08:56] or do they all just suck ;-) [08:56] dpkg-scanpackages [08:56] falcon you just make your /pool and run falcon update sync, all done [08:56] ;) [08:57] imbrandon: is that publically available? [08:57] apt-cache show falcon [08:57] LaserJock, yea check any of Seveas's mirros ( http://seveas.imbrandon.com ) in the extras component , or in edgy+1 universe hehe [08:57] mirrors* [08:57] hmm [08:58] http://seveas.imbrandon.com/pool/dapper-seveas/extras/falcon_1.5.4-0ubuntu1_all.deb [09:00] supports multi arch,multi components ( even one for each app if you want ) [09:00] etc etc etc, and a good doc [09:00] to get ya going, but it takes a whole 5 minutes to setup [09:00] real simple to setup and maintain ( and its python heh ) [09:01] and if you find bugs its easy to poke seveas to fix it hehe [09:10] LaserJock, have you seen http://live.debian.net/wiki/ISO_Howto [09:13] hmm, interesting [09:13] hrm and it links to http://live.debian.net/wiki/live-package telling howto do the casper and all [09:14] ok, I think I've got the cdrom driver needed - apparantly it's partly a vmware problem [09:14] :) [09:14] hehe === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] we'll see if I can use it ;) [09:15] hello Hobbsee [09:16] heya Hobbsee [09:16] Hobbsee! [09:16] heya ajmitch [09:17] hi imbrandon [09:17] LaserJock! [09:18] morning [09:19] hi siretart [09:19] moins siretart [09:19] huhu Hobbsee, hi imbrandon. heyho ajmitch :) [09:20] hey siretart, how are you? [09:21] thanks, fine [09:21] and you [09:21] currently doing my email [09:22] ajmitch: we still need 2 UVF members agreeing for requests, no? [09:22] Hey Hobbsee. [09:22] hi TheMuso [09:22] How goes it? [09:23] it goes to work soon :( [09:23] Ah that sucks. [09:24] does Martin Juergens irc? do anyone know him? [09:25] siretart: yes, we need 2 approvals afaik === ajmitch hasn't looked at them for a few hours [09:26] I was a bit puzzled if we require 2 advocates for complete new packages from marillat as well [09:27] hm [09:27] probably yes [09:27] I assume so. and this martin juergens has filed quite some request for such packages [09:27] gtk2-formfactory, etc? [09:28] yepp [09:29] + anyevent + eventrpc [09:29] right, I saw them on my wade through unmet deps === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=jonathan@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] ajmitch: Where's your list of unmetdeps? [09:45] in his vast brain [09:45] Heh [09:46] Probably stored in a text file in his tmpfs [09:46] hi. it /opt/ltsp could be placed somewhere else, with FHS in mind, where would you put it? /usr/share/ltsp? [09:46] s/FHS/FSH [09:46] hmm, I might actually go with /var perhaps [09:47] as in, /var/lib/ltsp? [09:47] maybe just /var/ltsp [09:47] http://ajmitch.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/unmet/unmet.txt [09:48] it hasn't been updated today [09:48] the thing with ltsp is that it changes, right? [09:48] & wsa annotated with a few comments [09:48] LaserJock: usually, with Ubuntu, the LTSP chroot is build from scratch at installation [09:48] LaserJock: but for tuXlabs I want to make a prebuild chroot and put it into a package [09:49] LaserJock: I think once the chroot exists it won't change much [09:49] if it's static it could go in /usr/share I suppose [09:50] a user might chroot into the environment and add/remove stuff though [09:50] that's not so good for /usr/share/ [09:50] or a package for that matter [09:50] highvoltage, from experience users do chroot in to change things [09:51] dpkg likes to keep track of files === highvoltage ponders a bit [09:51] highvoltage, considering it could even be a differnet distro - perhaps /opt really is the best place for it [09:51] /opt is nice because then it is also consistent with upstrem ltsp [09:52] but I remember ogra once saying that's it's not the ideal place to have it === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:52] Policy forbids packages to touch /opt. [09:52] he mentioned where it would have been if we had a choice but I've forgotten :) [09:52] yes, I did that previously and lintian gave lots and lots of warnings for each file :) [09:52] StevenK, policy doesn't consider a package might install a distro - which is what ltsp does [09:53] Of course not, there's no precedent for it [09:53] there is now ... [09:53] Then bugs against Policy should be filed [09:53] what if I put a tarball in the package, and the postinst would extract it? [09:53] that's a terrible hack, isn't it? [09:54] highvoltage, it is. your ltsp - is it Ubuntu based ? if so - perhaps script it to download and install in the postinst ? [09:55] where will the tarball extract to? [09:55] LaserJock: I guess that could safely extract to /opt? [09:56] yeah [09:56] are you packaging it to avoid bandwith usage, i.e. computers without internet or bad internet connections? [09:57] that, and to save installation time [09:57] builting the ltsp chroot is quite time consuming atm [09:58] I'd also like a nice and quick way for users to add ltsp, and remove it again [09:58] well, more for our technicians in the end than the end-users, I suppose [10:03] highvoltage, takes about 5-10 minutes to build the ltsp chroot here (all packages are in the cache so doesn't include download time) [10:04] can you currently build a chroot from the live cd install too? [10:04] extracting the tarball only takes about 2 minutes here :) [10:05] I think I'll take the approach of using a tarball, extracting to /opt, and when upgrading LTSP, the old /opt/ltsp will just be removed before a new tarball is extracted there. [10:06] or not... sorry, I think I'll think about it and ask around some more :) [10:06] Yagisan, LaserJock, StevenK: thanks for your input and insight [10:06] so you wipe out people's existing chroot upon upgrade? === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:06] it's not a simple problem that's for sure === Zdra [n=zdra@169.162-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] LaserJock: that's what I thought about just after pressing enter after I mentioned that [10:08] the best way really seems to be how ubuntu currently does it, but this will be a problem that red hat, suse, etc will have to deal with too while they use the ubuntu ltsp chroot, until they have their own meukow sorted out. [10:09] I don't expect our users to /really/ change the chroot === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] those who add packages could perhaps do a --get-selections and do a dselect-upgrade in the new chroot [10:10] I'm sure ogra will also have some useful insight :) [10:11] yes === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p50804396.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:38] \sh_away: wine UVF approved, you going to do the update? [11:40] ajmitch: libpam-{heimdal,krb5}_2.4-1 is now in sid ;) [11:42] ok [11:42] update the bug reports, reject the sync request if it hasn't gone through === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:44] ie. make a new UVF-request? [11:45] you'd need to [11:49] okay === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-134-75.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ktinga [i=ktinga@otaku.freeshell.ORG] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B3AAA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:56] Ey? [11:57] Hellor? === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ktinga [i=ktinga@otaku.freeshell.ORG] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === EmmJayKay [i=ktinga@otaku.freeshell.ORG] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-24-82-64-161-139.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-60-108.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] liatm: yup! === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-60-108.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-71-199.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BazziR [n=Bastian@p5080378D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@ubuntu/member/matid] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-24-82-64-161-139.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] ajmitch: you're recent changes to libburn now made it usable? :) [02:37] ajmitch: (been just reading teh changlog) === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@81.56.214.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-3-85.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] Heya gang === Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yosch [n=yosch@lns-bzn-24-82-64-161-139.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] Hello. Any MIT student here? === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-89-62.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lophyte [n=dsulliva@ubuntu/member/lophyte] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon_ [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-24-209-126-16.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ChaosFan [i=sithjanu@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan waves G'day === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-057-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] Heya Yagisan [05:05] bddebian, how have you been ? [05:05] OK thx, you? [05:08] not too bad. had some interesting experiences [05:08] right now I'm researching how to convert my package from a single binary into a multiple binary [05:08] Add more stanzas to debian/control and brutally hack debian/rules [05:09] dh_install woo === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon_ [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma_away [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-24-209-126-16.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ChaosFan [i=sithjanu@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] cool thanks. should be easier then it was shoving my CFLAGS down Cmakes throat when I updated earlier today [05:12] do we have a policy on plugin names ? libXYZ or baseapp-XYZ ? [05:12] yes [05:13] its very strict, look it up [05:13] I'm looking. probably in the wrong place, but I'll find it. [05:14] http://dancer.debian.net/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html [05:14] enjoy [05:16] tseng, thank you. I was indeed not looking at the right file === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.11.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kristog [n=ballio@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon_ [n=imbrando@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma_away [n=sh@vega.linux2go.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-24-209-126-16.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/pdpc.basic.lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ChaosFan [i=sithjanu@faui01.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:17] hi === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] tseng, thanks. looks like I have a bit to digest to see how to best apply that. O_o [05:23] yes. [05:23] its serious business === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:24] tseng, I do know that nothing else will use the plugins, so that at least makes it easier for me === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121nli.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] tseng, none of the plugins have a SONAME version. Will that be a problem ? [05:36] Yagisan: possibly [05:37] if yo uwant to treat them as libraries [05:37] if they are plugins to a single app, I guess it doesnt matter [05:38] tseng, they are for a single application (no one yet has taken the challenge of writing another engine for them). Thanks for your advice. [05:39] i wouldnt package them as libraries if they are not [05:39] i would package them as things that happen to be shared objects [05:39] yeah? === Tonio_ [n=tonio@40.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] yeah - that looks best for now === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tortoise__ [n=tortoise@194.164.140.64] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-89-62.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@40.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] good morning everybody === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:27] 'morning Toadstool [06:27] goodmorning Toadstool [06:27] hey crimsun [06:28] hi joejaxx [06:30] hey crimsun, joejaxx [06:31] you know what i found out? === kristog [n=kristog@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:32] the debian way of packaging is not necessarily easy [06:33] but i realy like it [06:33] really* === cassidy [n=cassidy@10.205-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] doing everything manually [06:33] instead of having a script do it === geser [n=michael@dialin111213.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micahcowan [n=micah@adsl-69-236-87-238.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kristog [n=kristog@energ63.energ.polimi.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:17] joejaxx, there is a limited about of automation you can get for your packaging via debhelper or cdbs [07:17] if you haven't read the ubuntu packaging guide, you should take a look [07:18] superm1: i do not want the automation [07:18] well debhelper just helps to build a skeleton [07:18] for the packaging [07:18] its a good start [07:18] i am happy with the debian new maintainer's method :) [07:20] they use debhelper I believe [07:20] Hi LaserJock [07:20] i do not remember ever running that command [07:20] :\ [07:20] moot point then if that was the case [07:21] what command? [07:21] dh_make? [07:21] yes the new maintainer guide uses debhelper [07:22] it does? [07:22] yes [07:22] interesting [07:23] you really do want to use debhelper at least [07:23] http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.it.html#s-rules [07:23] otherwise you are making too much work for yourself [07:23] joejaxx, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-rules [07:24] kristog: ahh ok [07:24] pbuilder? [07:25] pbuilder is another tool === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === joejaxx is looking at the ubuntu packaging page [07:25] kristog: that is not on the DNMG is it? [07:25] LaserJock, the ubuntu pkg differs to the debian guide? [07:25] what you mean with DNMG? [07:25] Debian New Maintainers Guide [07:26] yes it is [07:26] it has a few ubuntu specific things in it [07:26] kristog: no, I wrote an Ubuntu Packaging Guide [07:26] and explains how to use revu [07:26] oh LaserJock you wrote it? Didn't realize that. props, great guide [07:26] LaserJock, cool :) url? === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] whats the revu site again ? [07:27] (i don't see it in the topic)(sorry) [07:27] well, I had help and pulled from many sources [07:27] !packagingguide [07:27] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [07:27] !REVU [07:27] REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [07:27] hmm [07:27] thaks laser :_ [07:27] that should also point to revu.tauware.de [07:27] ahh it ok [07:27] is* [07:27] -ok [07:29] the packaging guide is also shipped with Dapper and Edgy in the help system [07:30] for the occasions you aren't online ;-) === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-43-75.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@ubuntu/member/matid] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:24] are there any plans to package IceWeasel? [08:24] http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ === Burgundavia [n=corey@wireless-29.media.mit.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givr2 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-57-54.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feaff900-158.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-016-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:58] YESS !! new hdd just showed up, no more laptop only for me !!! [08:58] lol [08:59] hey guys im using cdbs and during the dbuild im getting secret key not available but the key and all files are in ~/.gnupg [08:59] how can i get it to sign the package [09:00] im assuming importing my key again wont work [09:00] are you using seahorse? [09:01] no [09:01] i dont think i installed it [09:01] it is installed [09:02] is this a bad thing? [09:03] "this" being...? [09:03] no [09:03] gnomefreak, i use seahorse [09:03] seahorse [09:03] use it :) [09:04] debuild -S -sa how do i use it with that command [09:04] lol [09:05] you don't have to use it directly [09:05] http://gnomefreak.pastebin.com//802055 is the full eror [09:05] error === cassidy [n=cassidy@10.205-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman [n=iceman@59.201-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-51-198.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] morning [09:26] morning ajmitch [09:28] there is no archive admin here? :/ [09:28] its a weekend [09:29] no. === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === BazziR [n=Bastian@p5080378D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pike_ [n=happy@74.131.55.246] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Snake[Away] [n=snake@unaffiliated/snake] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:56] Hey guys, if anyone has a moment, could you tell me, should I start building on Edgy or Dapper? I havn't built anything before, and i'm following this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch -- Good or bad? [09:56] or is there a better [09:57] Because it seems that one is a bit dated (horay) [09:57] hoary* [09:57] Build on Dapper if your target is Dapper. Build on Edgy if your target is Edgy. [09:57] where "build on foo" means "use a foo pbuilder" [09:58] Oh so I dont need to install the diffrent OSes or whatever? [09:58] I can build for edgy on dapper? [09:58] certainly. [09:58] great [09:58] is it more difficult? heh [09:58] pbuilder? It's a cinch. [09:58] it'll be harder to test afterwards though [09:58] hello crimsun [09:58] how's it going? [09:58] hi ajmitch [09:58] Ah good point ajmitch .. [09:59] not bad, yourself? [09:59] alright [09:59] Im sure I can find someone on edgy that can test though [09:59] Snake: what sort of software are you building? [09:59] crimsun: do you have a more updated guide than the one I linked to? (I assume times have changed?) [09:59] BazziR: Not sure ye [09:59] t [10:00] Snake: the packaging guide on help.ubuntu.com? [10:00] Just a few practice packages and whatnot [10:00] crimsun: well the one I linked to was on the wiki, but like I said, its dated from hoary [10:00] Ohhhh [10:00] Snake: the methodology remains the same regardless of which release you make your packages for. [10:00] Okay :) [10:01] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html <- I think that#s the most recent/comlete guide [10:01] This is what I was lookin for: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html :) [10:01] BazziR: thanks hehe [10:01] :o [10:01] is the KDE/Gnome building the same way? [10:02] you mean having those as dependencies? [10:02] or using them as desktops generally? [10:02] No I mean I don't have to have a diffrent program or somethign to build for KDE [10:02] then ahve a diffrent program to build for gnome [10:02] right? [10:02] no it's all console-based [10:02] he means if there's any extra work involved in building GUI apps. [10:02] For the people to run on their systems === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-31-15.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:03] ah :) [10:03] Im assume I just need the libs? [10:03] Snake: you just have to specify what libs are required and they will be downloaded and installed automatically when needed (if I understand you correctly) === Snake mumbles ubuntu needs a net installer while he downloads the iso [10:04] Bazzi: Basically [10:04] HEh [10:05] Snake: packaging desktop software, or perl or python modules, requires paying attention to a few more things than when pacaking simple commandline tools. [10:06] Snake: psst, netboot. === segfault [i=segfault@ubuntu/member/segfault] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] crimsun: where! lol [10:07] dapper? edgy? [10:08] Q-FUNK: is it much more difficult than building the packages? [10:08] crimsun: Dapper *.1 if possible? [10:08] Q-FUNK: building the source** (Sorry) [10:08] which arch? [10:08] crimsun: gnome [10:09] no, I mean i386, x86_64, ppc, sparc, ... [10:09] Oh my bad [10:09] although having a gnome "arch" would be ... [10:09] x386 [10:09] :-P [10:09] grrr [10:09] i386 === Snake is having a long day [10:09] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ [10:10] wow thanks crimsun [10:10] I never knew about that === jinty [n=jinty@205.Red-83-56-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:19] " lintian and linda [10:19] dissect Debian packages and report bugs and Policy violations. They contain automated checks for many aspects of Debian Policy as well as for common errors. [10:20] " [10:20] What do they mean policy violations? [10:20] the debian and ubuntu policies about packaging [10:21] Which include? [10:21] Snake: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ [10:22] ahhh === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@81.56.214.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] crimsun: uhh if it says it cant retrive a package....should I hit continue or go back [10:36] they both sound bad [10:37] which package is it failing on? (switch to another console to see) [10:38] a whole bunch [10:38] I keep getting it over and over [10:38] and now the install failed [10:38] is this installing edgy? [10:39] dapper [10:39] hmm [10:39] if the netboot image is outdated, that'll happen [10:39] I just got the one you linked me to [10:40] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ looks more current. [10:40] oh ok === Adri2000 [n=Adri2000@unaffiliated/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:00] hmm, looks like bug 63718 is a libsexy bug instead of a xchat one... [11:00] Malone bug 63718 in xchat "xchat spellcheck bad interperatation" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63718 === theCore [n=alex@modemcable106.200-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] woah... [11:02] bug 63718 [11:02] Malone bug 63718 in xchat "xchat spellcheck bad interperatation" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/63718 [11:02] awesome [11:03] :) [11:03] I thought Ubugtu was just a joke and fun bot :) === cvacubo [n=kvirc@51.gprs-nat.mtsnet.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:09] woot buildbox it almost 100% back to its former self, just a fwe more things to tweak out [11:11] Good evening. I need help. I want to help Kubuntu Community and I create Lila icons deb package. But I don't know what i need to do for that package upload to repository for testing. Maybe you can help me with that ? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] imbrandon will be more than willing to show you! [11:12] hehe [11:13] cvacubo, you have already made the package ? [11:14] imbrandon, yes. [11:14] cvacubo, have you ever used REVU ? or know about it? ( if not i can explain it ) but that would be the first step after the package is made [11:14] But I don't know what I need to do ? I need to upload that package to REVU ? [11:14] if its new to ubuntu [11:14] cvacubo, yes REVU would be the next step [11:15] I read about REVU, but I don't understand, I need dput my package and thats all ??? [11:15] Or what ? [11:15] well first you have to join the LP team [11:15] have you done that ? [11:15] Yes, this package new for Ubuntu. This package suggested in Kubuntu.org [11:16] ok add your self to this team http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy [11:16] LP Team? This is a Launchpad ? [11:16] yes [11:17] once you are on that team then you/me/we can ping a REVU admin to sync the keyring, then you can dput to REVU [11:17] for a MOTU to review it and upload [11:18] cvacubo: you will need a GPG key too [11:18] imbrandon, one moment please. I want check my Launchpad login... [11:18] cvacubo, yes i dident look at your LP page but if you dont have a GPG key you will need to create one and upload that to your LP profile [11:18] first [11:19] imbrandon, I have GPG key and send this key to Launchpad. And I joined to "Contributors of packages for ubuntu universe" [11:20] Yes I uploaded in my LP profile and signed Code of conduct [11:20] ok good [11:20] My LP login Artem Abramyan. Nickname Cvacubo [11:20] now we need to ask a REVU admin to sync the keyring, aj^mitch is probably not arround right now but siretart might be [11:20] siretart, ping [11:21] ( if not i'll look on the list to see whom else is a REVU admin ) [11:21] siretart, ping ??? What is this ? Sorry, my english is so bad [11:21] (to note raphink, gauvain, and sispoty are also admins) [11:21] (and mez, too) [11:21] cvacubo, it means i'm trying to get his attentian [11:21] attention* [11:22] gauvin is a REVU admin? I didn't know that, good news :p [11:22] *gauvain even [11:22] i have a tiber login but i have no idea how to sync the keyring heh [11:22] Toadstool: yep [11:22] After sync the keyring I need to dput my package ? [11:23] cvacubo, yup [11:23] imbrandon, thanks a lot. [11:23] then it will be on the list for all MOTU's to revu and give you input or possibly upload [11:23] ( note the universe is in a freeze right now but its still good to go though the processes and get it ready ) [11:23] Now I need find REVU admins and ask for sync keyring ? [11:24] cvacubo, yes , all have been "pinged" e.g. their name hilighted so next chance one of them gets it will be done [11:24] best to just wait arround and chat/learn/idle/etc , its just waiting now [11:25] imbrandon, ok, thanks a lot for help... thanks [11:26] np, i'm gonna go back to finishing up my install if you need something just say my name , my IRC lcient beeps at me so if i'm on the computer i'll answer ;) [11:26] if not there are lots of helpfull folks in here [11:26] s/lcient/client [11:27] just set up a script to flood his irc nick every two minutes. [11:27] lol === fredix [n=fredix@86.67.45.105] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.127.103.14] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] actualy my client uses "/usr/share/sounds/KDE_Beep_Ahem.wav" ( probably only present if you have KDE installed ) [11:28] heh === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-83-158.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:44] cvacubo: imbrandon. huh? [11:45] they need a keyring sync for revu [11:45] siretart, can you please sync the REVU keyring so cvacubo can have upload rights [11:47] oh, sure. just triggered a sync [11:47] thanks === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.127.103.136] has joined #ubuntu-motu === awbassett [n=andrew@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:51] cvacubo: done, you should be able to upload now === dr_kabuto [n=franky@host219-2-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === awbassett_ [n=andrew@206.135.97.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=duck@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] Are you guys gonna make packages for firefox rc2 and gaim2.0.0 b4? [12:05] for edgy? === dr_kabuto [n=franky@host219-2-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:06] pianoboy3333: no, because those are main packages. [12:06] they have nothing to do with universe. [12:07] oh [12:07] crimsun: do you think that the ubuntu guys are gonna package them? [12:07] I don't know. [12:08] kk.... === lophyte [n=dsulliva@MTL-HSE-ppp172032.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pianoboy3333 [n=alex@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"]