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| edgarin | Hi | 02:46 |
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| Lilandra | hi | 03:27 |
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| sbalneav | Evening all | 05:35 |
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| juliux | morning | 11:04 |
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| juliux | any ideas why i get timestamp erros on the thinclients? | 11:11 |
| highvoltage | do you get something that says that the timestamp is set to some time in the future? | 11:15 |
| juliux | yes | 11:15 |
| highvoltage | is thin client bios date set correctly? | 11:16 |
| juliux | good question | 11:16 |
| juliux | i also dont get x running on the thiclient | 11:16 |
| highvoltage | There's a bug where you have to press ALT+F7 in some situations. | 11:16 |
| highvoltage | do you know which display card the clients have? | 11:16 |
| highvoltage | it's also possible that you have to specify that in lts.conf | 11:17 |
| juliux | the thinclients are running with dapper, but i installed a new dapper and now it is not working | 11:17 |
| juliux | i get a consolen promt but no x | 11:17 |
| juliux | alt +f7 is also not working | 11:17 |
| highvoltage | hmm | 11:18 |
| juliux | it is very strange | 11:19 |
| juliux | i think i will try to rebuild the ltspchroot | 11:19 |
| juliux | it is a timestamp problem with etc/X11 | 11:22 |
| juliux | highvoltage, any idea? | 11:22 |
| highvoltage | if the timestamp is the reason why it doesn't start (which I doubt it is), then you could try touching the file with the touch command, which will update the timestamp | 11:24 |
| juliux | highvoltage, ok | 11:24 |
| juliux | highvoltage, i will change the time on the server and then i will reboot | 11:25 |
| juliux | highvoltage, the time on the server is 11:25 and on the thinclient it says 9:43 ist in the future | 11:25 |
| juliux | quit reboot | 11:26 |
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| yemu | hello, any ltsp experts here? i need help | 11:28 |
| yemu | i can login into terminal only using one user | 11:28 |
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| mwright2 | how good is the ltsp support going to be in edubuntu | 11:30 |
| highvoltage | yemu: hi, have you by any chance changed you IP address? | 11:31 |
| highvoltage | mwright2: LTSP 5.0 is designed around Edubuntu | 11:31 |
| highvoltage | mwright2: imho, Edubuntu will probably have better LTSP support than most distributions, LTSP will even work out of the box with the default install in the release made later this month | 11:32 |
| yemu | highvoltage: ip address of the server | 11:32 |
| yemu | ? | 11:32 |
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| highvoltage | yemu: yes | 11:33 |
| highvoltage | yemu: if you change the IP address of the server, you need to update your ssh keys with the command: | 11:33 |
| highvoltage | sudo update-ltsp-sshkeys | 11:33 |
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| yemu | HIGHVOLTAGE: command not found | 11:34 |
| juliux | highvoltage, i will wait 11min then is the timestamp in the paste ;) | 11:34 |
| yemu | sorry for the caps lock | 11:34 |
| yemu | i think i have changed my ip | 11:34 |
| highvoltage | juliux: hehe | 11:34 |
| yemu | but i'm not sure | 11:34 |
| highvoltage | yemu: ok, let me just check that command... | 11:34 |
| highvoltage | ah, I got it the wrong way round, its': | 11:35 |
| highvoltage | sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys | 11:36 |
| yemu | thanks, i'm going to check if that works | 11:36 |
| yemu | highvoltage: it didn't help | 11:39 |
| yemu | still can't login | 11:39 |
| highvoltage | yemu: is the user that does work the first user you created? | 11:39 |
| yemu | let me check | 11:40 |
| highvoltage | yemu: how long is the passwords of the other users you have created? I think I've had a problem once when I had too short passwords too. | 11:40 |
| yemu | the strange thing is that i can log through ssh | 11:41 |
| highvoltage | hmmm | 11:41 |
| yemu | with every user | 11:41 |
| highvoltage | that's a strange one | 11:41 |
| yemu | but in terminal only the one works | 11:41 |
| highvoltage | how did you create the new users? in the users and groups GUI, or from command line? | 11:42 |
| yemu | when try to log in as other user it starts to log in | 11:42 |
| yemu | command line adduser | 11:42 |
| highvoltage | can you try to add one using GUI and see what happens? | 11:42 |
| yemu | because i don't have monitor | 11:42 |
| highvoltage | ah I see | 11:43 |
| highvoltage | but you can log in as the admin user on the thin client? | 11:43 |
| yemu | i can try with X | 11:43 |
| yemu | no, i can't | 11:43 |
| highvoltage | ok | 11:43 |
| yemu | do you know the name of the gnome user tool? | 11:44 |
| highvoltage | ogra once told me that the GUI tool does some extra things that adduser doesn't. I'm not sure how that will affect the ltsp logins though, the only thing I do when I create users from CLI is add them to the video and audio groups. | 11:44 |
| highvoltage | just a sec.. | 11:44 |
| highvoltage | users-admin | 11:44 |
| yemu | trying | 11:45 |
| juliux | highvoltage, it is possible to rebuild the chroot? | 11:47 |
| highvoltage | juliux: yep | 11:47 |
| juliux | highvoltage, how? | 11:47 |
| highvoltage | I'd suggest you remove the old one first though | 11:47 |
| highvoltage | sudo ltsp-build-client | 11:47 |
| juliux | ok | 11:47 |
| highvoltage | you can specify where you want to install from with --mirror | 11:48 |
| juliux | i will delete ist | 11:48 |
| highvoltage | eg: sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom | 11:48 |
| highvoltage | or --mirror http://de.archive.ubuntu.com | 11:48 |
| juliux | i have a very fast internet conncection here | 11:48 |
| highvoltage | cool | 11:48 |
| juliux | i am in the university;) | 11:48 |
| yemu | highvoltage i can log in the thin client, but only in the text terminal (alt+f1) | 11:50 |
| yemu | not in the gdm | 11:51 |
| yemu | also i notced that i had to change the group to users | 11:51 |
| highvoltage | yemu: then there's something very, very wrong | 11:51 |
| highvoltage | yemu: you're not supposed to be able to log into the client in text mode :) | 11:51 |
| yemu | becauce by default the group is the same as user name | 11:51 |
| yemu | oups | 11:52 |
| highvoltage | yemu: how did you install LTSP? default edubuntu installation? | 11:52 |
| yemu | i use "normal ubuntu" | 11:52 |
| yemu | installation from repositories | 11:52 |
| yemu | dapper | 11:52 |
| highvoltage | yemu: ok, so you did apt-get install ltsp or apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone? | 11:52 |
| yemu | it was quite time ago... i have both installed | 11:53 |
| yemu | is it bad? | 11:53 |
| highvoltage | no, that's not bad. | 11:53 |
| highvoltage | as long as you didn't install from tarball from ltsp.org | 11:54 |
| yemu | no i haven't | 11:54 |
| highvoltage | and- you shouldn't have ltspadmin or ltspcfg installed either | 11:54 |
| highvoltage | yemu: did you create the users inside the ltsp chroot? | 11:54 |
| yemu | i tried to upgrade some time ago to ltsp 4.2 manually | 11:54 |
| yemu | no | 11:54 |
| highvoltage | aah, that's where the problem might be | 11:54 |
| yemu | i created users on the server | 11:55 |
| yemu | aha | 11:55 |
| yemu | so what shoul i do? | 11:55 |
| highvoltage | ubuntu LTSP and LTSP 4.2 is different in dapper | 11:55 |
| yemu | but the problem with users existed before i tried ltsp 4-2 | 11:55 |
| highvoltage | well, if you did an ubuntu LTSP and a LTSP 4.2 installation, then your system is in a bit of an unpredictable state | 11:55 |
| highvoltage | because LTSP 4.2 overwrites files that the package manager installed with Ubuntu LTSP | 11:56 |
| yemu | even if i installed in different directory? | 11:56 |
| highvoltage | did it install to /opt/ltsp-4.2? | 11:56 |
| yemu | yes | 11:56 |
| highvoltage | and there's also an /opt/ltsp? | 11:57 |
| yemu | yes | 11:57 |
| highvoltage | when you boot up a thin client, do you get the ubuntu splash screen? | 11:57 |
| yemu | yes | 11:57 |
| highvoltage | ok , that's good. It means tftp is downloading an ubuntu kernel. | 11:57 |
| juliux | highvoltage, i rebuild the chroot but the same problem | 11:57 |
| highvoltage | yemu: can you also cat /etc/exports and check that /opt/ltsp is exported? | 11:58 |
| yemu | yes it is | 11:58 |
| highvoltage | next, you might have an /opt/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 11:59 |
| highvoltage | check if it exists and open it in text editor | 11:59 |
| highvoltage | if it doesn't, open up the one in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf | 11:59 |
| yemu | i don't have /opt/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 11:59 |
| highvoltage | there will be a line that says something about root-path | 11:59 |
| highvoltage | ok, use the one in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf instead | 12:00 |
| yemu | i have root-path in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 12:00 |
| highvoltage | check that root-path specifies /opt/ltsp/i386 | 12:00 |
| yemu | option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; | 12:00 |
| yemu | yes | 12:00 |
| highvoltage | ok | 12:00 |
| highvoltage | on the thin clients, when you log into a terminal, do you get a standard Ubuntu Dapper login terminal, or just a root shell? | 12:01 |
| highvoltage | yemu: also, are you sure you're getting GDM at the login screen? It should be LDM on ubuntu ltsp | 12:02 |
| highvoltage | the best way to tell is, you should have a shut down icon on the bottom left corner of your screen in LDM | 12:02 |
| highvoltage | (brb) | 12:03 |
| yemu | i have a white screen with big ubuntu | 12:03 |
| yemu | ltsp in the left bottom corner | 12:03 |
| yemu | and a kind of switch itn bottom right | 12:03 |
| yemu | and the login area in the center | 12:04 |
| yemu | i checked loging again - i can log in the text terminal only if i change user group to users | 12:04 |
| yemu | i can't log if the group is the same as user (which seems to be default) | 12:05 |
| highvoltage | yemu: when you add users, do you chroot into the ltsp environment or just add it from the normal server system? | 12:11 |
| highvoltage | I can't figure out how you can log in from the terminal on a thin client, that is very strange. | 12:11 |
| highvoltage | yemu: it sounds like the Ubuntu LTSP environment is intact | 12:12 |
| highvoltage | yemu: also, what does your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file look like (if there is one) | 12:12 |
| highvoltage | !paste | 12:12 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things) | 12:12 |
| highvoltage | yemu: paste it there if it exists ^^^ and give me the link | 12:13 |
| yemu | ok, one moment | 12:13 |
| yemu | i add users on the server | 12:13 |
| yemu | there's no /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf | 12:16 |
| highvoltage | yemu: I'm stumped. I suggest you hang around in the channel a bit. ogra might be able to solve that problem. | 12:16 |
| highvoltage | mixing LTSP.org and Ubuntu LTSP at this stage is unsupported though | 12:17 |
| highvoltage | if it's a new installation I'd suggest that you start from scratch and just use the Ubuntu LTSP | 12:17 |
| yemu | ok, so what can i do to delete ltsp from ltsp org | 12:17 |
| yemu | ? | 12:17 |
| yemu | i can start over | 12:17 |
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| ogra | yemu, you get a working ldm login screen ? | 12:18 |
| yemu | yes it's ok | 12:18 |
| ogra | (with switch on the left and the client hostname on the right (usually ltsp)) ? | 12:18 |
| yemu | i can type my password and login name | 12:18 |
| yemu | yes | 12:19 |
| yemu | and then the screen goes black for a while | 12:19 |
| yemu | and the logn screen comes back | 12:19 |
| ogra | so why do you want to reinstall the ltsp bits, they are apparently working fine :) | 12:19 |
| yemu | i can log only with one user | 12:19 |
| ogra | can the user you try that with log in on the server directly ? | 12:19 |
| highvoltage | ogra: it's strange, he has a working LDM login screen, but can't log in from there | 12:19 |
| highvoltage | ogra: yet he can log in from the thin client terminal! | 12:19 |
| ogra | he has sabayon installed or his sshkeys are outdated | 12:20 |
| yemu | what is sabayon? | 12:20 |
| yemu | higvoltage: i can't login from the terminal on thin client | 12:20 |
| ogra | a lock down editor for the desktop | 12:20 |
| highvoltage | yemu: aaah, I misunderstood you there then | 12:20 |
| ogra | if you dont create profiles for it, but install it, it wont let anyone in from remote | 12:21 |
| ogra | look in ~/.xsession-errors of the user that cant log in | 12:21 |
| ogra | if it says something like "profile not found" | 12:22 |
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| yemu | ogra, highvoltaga - thank you - i don't know if you've read my last message | 12:48 |
| yemu | everything is ok | 12:49 |
| yemu | it was the sabayon fault | 12:49 |
| yemu | or rather mine ;-) | 12:49 |
| ogra | :) | 12:49 |
| yemu | login works only if a user has a profile set in sabayon | 12:49 |
| yemu | but now i have different question: how can enable auto login in clients? | 12:50 |
| yemu | and other question: is it possible to change graphic in the login screen? | 12:56 |
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| juliux | re | 01:49 |
| juliux | i have new problem with my dapper an the thinclient, they are booting but i dont get an xserver there is a problem with the md5sums | 01:50 |
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| juliux | hi | 02:47 |
| juliux | ogra: highvoltage ping? | 02:48 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:02 |
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| cbx33 | afternoon all | 03:10 |
| highvoltage | hey cbx33 | 03:11 |
| cbx33 | hey highvoltage | 03:11 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: what's up? | 03:12 |
| cbx33 | just getting some docs toether for scp | 03:12 |
| highvoltage | great | 03:12 |
| cbx33 | do you know where the handbook stuff is stored? | 03:12 |
| highvoltage | nope | 03:14 |
| cbx33 | :( | 03:16 |
| cbx33 | I sent my docs to HedgeMage | 03:20 |
| cbx33 | they use svn now | 03:20 |
| cbx33 | but I don't have commit rights | 03:21 |
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| Burgundavia | ogra: you around? | 07:57 |
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| cbx33 | HedgeMage, ping | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | did you get my mail? | 10:34 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: get my email? | 10:34 |
| HedgeMage | hehe | 10:34 |
| HedgeMage | yep, replied like 2 minutes ago | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | just checking now | 10:34 |
| cbx33 | thank you so much HedgeMage | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | did it look ok? | 10:35 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: from what I saw, very good :) | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | and did you put it into the repo? | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | or do yoiu want me to? | 10:35 |
| HedgeMage | I'm mostly on IRC right now to log a meetup in another chan... I will be out due to family stuff most of the day (or randomly in and out) | 10:36 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: if you would that would be awesome. I haven't yet. | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | of course I will | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 10:36 |
| === HedgeMage hugs cbx33 | ||
| cbx33 | heheh | 10:39 |
| cbx33 | how do we stand with the cover? | 10:40 |
| HedgeMage | I like the planned design as-is... if you like, I can look up pixel size right now | 10:40 |
| cbx33 | that'd be cool | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | then I can pass it onto lisa | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | you want a back cover as well? | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | do you want a blurb etc? | 10:45 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: Yeah, I have some text for the back cover... I'll email it to you tonight after TT goes to bed. | 10:45 |
| cbx33 | ok np | 10:46 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: The contributors list will probably have an addition or two by the time we're done, but that's the only change I expect. | 10:46 |
| cbx33 | cool | 10:46 |
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| cbx33 | Hey LaserJock | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 11:31 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: 3757x2775 WxH (the middle 72px of width is the spine, and might change slightly, this is an estimage based on how many pages I expect to have) | 11:36 |
| cbx33 | ok | 11:36 |
| HedgeMage | s/estimage/estimate/ | 11:36 |
| cbx33 | it'll probably be solid color anyway | 11:36 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| cbx33 | can you send thatl ine to aliasvegas@ubuntu.com | 11:37 |
| HedgeMage | I'd like to have just the words "Edubuntu Handbook -- 6.10" on the spine so we can see what book it is when on the shelf :D | 11:37 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| HedgeMage | will do that right now | 11:37 |
| cbx33 | thanky | 11:37 |
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| HedgeMage | cbx33: Okay, dumb question... that's your better half's email, right? | 11:41 |
| cbx33 | yup | 11:41 |
| HedgeMage | cbx33: because I just realized I referred to you in the third person which would sound dumb if it's yours :) | 11:41 |
| HedgeMage | cool | 11:41 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 11:42 |
| cbx33 | I'm off to bed | 11:42 |
| cbx33 | nn HedgeMage | 11:42 |
| cbx33 | thanks for the info | 11:42 |
| HedgeMage | night night :) | 11:42 |
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