=== pierro [n=pierre@meu77-1-82-241-107-44.fbx.proxad.net] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === Lilandra [n=lilandra@241-10.greendottt.net] has joined #edubuntu === edgarin [n=edgarin@216.230.150.7] has joined #edubuntu [02:46] Hi === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:27] hi === gnomefre1k [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-42-144.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego [n=cafuego@59.167.191.160] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:35] Evening all === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-52-82-65-79-44.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.39.149] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage peeks in === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === rjian[O-U-T] [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian319 [n=rjian_se@203.87.182.102] has joined #edubuntu === rjian319 is now known as rjian === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [11:04] morning === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:11] any ideas why i get timestamp erros on the thinclients? [11:15] do you get something that says that the timestamp is set to some time in the future? [11:15] yes [11:16] is thin client bios date set correctly? [11:16] good question [11:16] i also dont get x running on the thiclient [11:16] There's a bug where you have to press ALT+F7 in some situations. [11:16] do you know which display card the clients have? [11:17] it's also possible that you have to specify that in lts.conf [11:17] the thinclients are running with dapper, but i installed a new dapper and now it is not working [11:17] i get a consolen promt but no x [11:17] alt +f7 is also not working [11:18] hmm [11:19] it is very strange [11:19] i think i will try to rebuild the ltspchroot [11:22] it is a timestamp problem with etc/X11 [11:22] highvoltage, any idea? [11:24] if the timestamp is the reason why it doesn't start (which I doubt it is), then you could try touching the file with the touch command, which will update the timestamp [11:24] highvoltage, ok [11:25] highvoltage, i will change the time on the server and then i will reboot [11:25] highvoltage, the time on the server is 11:25 and on the thinclient it says 9:43 ist in the future [11:26] quit reboot === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEF032.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === yemu [n=yemu@cql201.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #edubuntu [11:28] hello, any ltsp experts here? i need help [11:28] i can login into terminal only using one user === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEF032.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === mwright2 [n=mrtadpol@202.138.207.156] has joined #edubuntu [11:30] how good is the ltsp support going to be in edubuntu [11:31] yemu: hi, have you by any chance changed you IP address? [11:31] mwright2: LTSP 5.0 is designed around Edubuntu [11:32] mwright2: imho, Edubuntu will probably have better LTSP support than most distributions, LTSP will even work out of the box with the default install in the release made later this month [11:32] highvoltage: ip address of the server [11:32] ? === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:33] yemu: yes [11:33] yemu: if you change the IP address of the server, you need to update your ssh keys with the command: [11:33] sudo update-ltsp-sshkeys === mwright2 [n=mrtadpol@202.138.207.156] has left #edubuntu [] [11:34] HIGHVOLTAGE: command not found [11:34] highvoltage, i will wait 11min then is the timestamp in the paste ;) [11:34] sorry for the caps lock [11:34] i think i have changed my ip [11:34] juliux: hehe [11:34] but i'm not sure [11:34] yemu: ok, let me just check that command... [11:35] ah, I got it the wrong way round, its': [11:36] sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys [11:36] thanks, i'm going to check if that works [11:39] highvoltage: it didn't help [11:39] still can't login [11:39] yemu: is the user that does work the first user you created? [11:40] let me check [11:40] yemu: how long is the passwords of the other users you have created? I think I've had a problem once when I had too short passwords too. [11:41] the strange thing is that i can log through ssh [11:41] hmmm [11:41] with every user [11:41] that's a strange one [11:41] but in terminal only the one works [11:42] how did you create the new users? in the users and groups GUI, or from command line? [11:42] when try to log in as other user it starts to log in [11:42] command line adduser [11:42] can you try to add one using GUI and see what happens? [11:42] because i don't have monitor [11:43] ah I see [11:43] but you can log in as the admin user on the thin client? [11:43] i can try with X [11:43] no, i can't [11:43] ok [11:44] do you know the name of the gnome user tool? [11:44] ogra once told me that the GUI tool does some extra things that adduser doesn't. I'm not sure how that will affect the ltsp logins though, the only thing I do when I create users from CLI is add them to the video and audio groups. [11:44] just a sec.. [11:44] users-admin [11:45] trying [11:47] highvoltage, it is possible to rebuild the chroot? [11:47] juliux: yep [11:47] highvoltage, how? [11:47] I'd suggest you remove the old one first though [11:47] sudo ltsp-build-client [11:47] ok [11:48] you can specify where you want to install from with --mirror [11:48] i will delete ist [11:48] eg: sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom [11:48] or --mirror http://de.archive.ubuntu.com [11:48] i have a very fast internet conncection here [11:48] cool [11:48] i am in the university;) [11:50] highvoltage i can log in the thin client, but only in the text terminal (alt+f1) [11:51] not in the gdm [11:51] also i notced that i had to change the group to users [11:51] yemu: then there's something very, very wrong [11:51] yemu: you're not supposed to be able to log into the client in text mode :) [11:51] becauce by default the group is the same as user name [11:52] oups [11:52] yemu: how did you install LTSP? default edubuntu installation? [11:52] i use "normal ubuntu" [11:52] installation from repositories [11:52] dapper [11:52] yemu: ok, so you did apt-get install ltsp or apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone? [11:53] it was quite time ago... i have both installed [11:53] is it bad? [11:53] no, that's not bad. [11:54] as long as you didn't install from tarball from ltsp.org [11:54] no i haven't [11:54] and- you shouldn't have ltspadmin or ltspcfg installed either [11:54] yemu: did you create the users inside the ltsp chroot? [11:54] i tried to upgrade some time ago to ltsp 4.2 manually [11:54] no [11:54] aah, that's where the problem might be [11:55] i created users on the server [11:55] aha [11:55] so what shoul i do? [11:55] ubuntu LTSP and LTSP 4.2 is different in dapper [11:55] but the problem with users existed before i tried ltsp 4-2 [11:55] well, if you did an ubuntu LTSP and a LTSP 4.2 installation, then your system is in a bit of an unpredictable state [11:56] because LTSP 4.2 overwrites files that the package manager installed with Ubuntu LTSP [11:56] even if i installed in different directory? [11:56] did it install to /opt/ltsp-4.2? [11:56] yes [11:57] and there's also an /opt/ltsp? [11:57] yes [11:57] when you boot up a thin client, do you get the ubuntu splash screen? [11:57] yes [11:57] ok , that's good. It means tftp is downloading an ubuntu kernel. [11:57] highvoltage, i rebuild the chroot but the same problem [11:58] yemu: can you also cat /etc/exports and check that /opt/ltsp is exported? [11:58] yes it is [11:59] next, you might have an /opt/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [11:59] check if it exists and open it in text editor [11:59] if it doesn't, open up the one in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf [11:59] i don't have /opt/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [11:59] there will be a line that says something about root-path [12:00] ok, use the one in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf instead [12:00] i have root-path in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf [12:00] check that root-path specifies /opt/ltsp/i386 [12:00] option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; [12:00] yes [12:00] ok [12:01] on the thin clients, when you log into a terminal, do you get a standard Ubuntu Dapper login terminal, or just a root shell? [12:02] yemu: also, are you sure you're getting GDM at the login screen? It should be LDM on ubuntu ltsp [12:02] the best way to tell is, you should have a shut down icon on the bottom left corner of your screen in LDM [12:03] (brb) [12:03] i have a white screen with big ubuntu [12:03] ltsp in the left bottom corner [12:03] and a kind of switch itn bottom right [12:04] and the login area in the center [12:04] i checked loging again - i can log in the text terminal only if i change user group to users [12:05] i can't log if the group is the same as user (which seems to be default) [12:11] yemu: when you add users, do you chroot into the ltsp environment or just add it from the normal server system? [12:11] I can't figure out how you can log in from the terminal on a thin client, that is very strange. [12:12] yemu: it sounds like the Ubuntu LTSP environment is intact [12:12] yemu: also, what does your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file look like (if there is one) [12:12] !paste [12:12] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things) [12:13] yemu: paste it there if it exists ^^^ and give me the link [12:13] ok, one moment [12:13] i add users on the server [12:16] there's no /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf [12:16] yemu: I'm stumped. I suggest you hang around in the channel a bit. ogra might be able to solve that problem. [12:17] mixing LTSP.org and Ubuntu LTSP at this stage is unsupported though [12:17] if it's a new installation I'd suggest that you start from scratch and just use the Ubuntu LTSP [12:17] ok, so what can i do to delete ltsp from ltsp org [12:17] ? [12:17] i can start over === ogra peeks in for a minute [12:18] yemu, you get a working ldm login screen ? [12:18] yes it's ok [12:18] (with switch on the left and the client hostname on the right (usually ltsp)) ? [12:18] i can type my password and login name [12:19] yes [12:19] and then the screen goes black for a while [12:19] and the logn screen comes back [12:19] so why do you want to reinstall the ltsp bits, they are apparently working fine :) [12:19] i can log only with one user [12:19] can the user you try that with log in on the server directly ? [12:19] ogra: it's strange, he has a working LDM login screen, but can't log in from there [12:19] ogra: yet he can log in from the thin client terminal! [12:20] he has sabayon installed or his sshkeys are outdated [12:20] what is sabayon? [12:20] higvoltage: i can't login from the terminal on thin client [12:20] a lock down editor for the desktop [12:20] yemu: aaah, I misunderstood you there then [12:21] if you dont create profiles for it, but install it, it wont let anyone in from remote [12:21] look in ~/.xsession-errors of the user that cant log in [12:22] if it says something like "profile not found" === yemu [n=yemu@con139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #edubuntu [12:48] ogra, highvoltaga - thank you - i don't know if you've read my last message [12:49] everything is ok [12:49] it was the sabayon fault [12:49] or rather mine ;-) [12:49] :) [12:49] login works only if a user has a profile set in sabayon [12:50] but now i have different question: how can enable auto login in clients? [12:56] and other question: is it possible to change graphic in the login screen? === juliux [n=ubuntu@141.30.46.103] has joined #edubuntu [01:49] re [01:50] i have new problem with my dapper an the thinclient, they are booting but i dont get an xserver there is a problem with the md5sums === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@lns-bzn-52-82-65-79-44.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=ubuntu@141.30.46.72] has joined #edubuntu [02:47] hi [02:48] ogra: highvoltage ping? === juliux [n=ubuntu@141.30.46.72] has left #edubuntu [] === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [03:02] Howdy === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [03:10] afternoon all [03:11] hey cbx33 [03:11] hey highvoltage [03:12] cbx33: what's up? [03:12] just getting some docs toether for scp [03:12] great [03:12] do you know where the handbook stuff is stored? [03:14] nope [03:16] :( [03:20] I sent my docs to HedgeMage [03:20] they use svn now [03:21] but I don't have commit rights === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === yemu [n=yemu@con139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #edubuntu [] === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === tomveens [n=tomveens@ztn-c-1566b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #edubuntu === wangyili [n=wangyili@218.185.222.32] has joined #edubuntu === wangyili [n=wangyili@218.185.222.32] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === yemu [n=yemu@chello084010197057.chello.pl] has joined #edubuntu === bluezy [n=bluezy@d54C047FD.access.telenet.be] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEF032.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:57] ogra: you around? === _Spire_ [n=panther@ppp-70-250-153-95.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #edubuntu === _Spire_ [n=panther@ppp-70-250-153-95.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has left #edubuntu [] === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@82.227.215.241] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEF032.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [n=HedgeMag@ubuntu/member/hedgemage] has joined #edubuntu [10:34] HedgeMage, ping [10:34] did you get my mail? [10:34] cbx33: get my email? [10:34] hehe [10:34] yep, replied like 2 minutes ago [10:34] hehe [10:34] just checking now [10:35] thank you so much HedgeMage [10:35] did it look ok? [10:35] cbx33: from what I saw, very good :) [10:35] and did you put it into the repo? [10:35] or do yoiu want me to? [10:36] I'm mostly on IRC right now to log a meetup in another chan... I will be out due to family stuff most of the day (or randomly in and out) [10:36] cbx33: if you would that would be awesome. I haven't yet. [10:36] of course I will [10:36] ;) === HedgeMage hugs cbx33 [10:39] heheh [10:40] how do we stand with the cover? [10:40] I like the planned design as-is... if you like, I can look up pixel size right now [10:44] that'd be cool [10:44] then I can pass it onto lisa [10:44] you want a back cover as well? [10:45] do you want a blurb etc? [10:45] cbx33: Yeah, I have some text for the back cover... I'll email it to you tonight after TT goes to bed. [10:46] ok np [10:46] cbx33: The contributors list will probably have an addition or two by the time we're done, but that's the only change I expect. [10:46] cool === lguerra [n=lguerra@200.119.36.185] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [11:30] Hey LaserJock [11:31] hi cbx33 [11:36] cbx33: 3757x2775 WxH (the middle 72px of width is the spine, and might change slightly, this is an estimage based on how many pages I expect to have) [11:36] ok [11:36] s/estimage/estimate/ [11:36] it'll probably be solid color anyway === HedgeMage nods [11:37] can you send thatl ine to aliasvegas@ubuntu.com [11:37] I'd like to have just the words "Edubuntu Handbook -- 6.10" on the spine so we can see what book it is when on the shelf :D === HedgeMage nods [11:37] will do that right now [11:37] thanky === jinty [n=jinty@205.Red-83-56-149.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:41] cbx33: Okay, dumb question... that's your better half's email, right? [11:41] yup [11:41] cbx33: because I just realized I referred to you in the third person which would sound dumb if it's yours :) [11:41] cool [11:42] heheh [11:42] I'm off to bed [11:42] nn HedgeMage [11:42] thanks for the info [11:42] night night :)