[02:46] <edgarin> Hi
[03:27] <Lilandra> hi
[05:35] <sbalneav> Evening all
[11:04] <juliux> morning
[11:11] <juliux> any ideas why i get timestamp erros on the thinclients?
[11:15] <highvoltage> do you get something that says that the timestamp is set to some time in the future?
[11:15] <juliux> yes
[11:16] <highvoltage> is thin client bios date set correctly?
[11:16] <juliux> good question
[11:16] <juliux> i also dont get x running on the thiclient
[11:16] <highvoltage> There's a bug where you have to press ALT+F7 in some situations.
[11:16] <highvoltage> do you know which display card the clients have?
[11:17] <highvoltage> it's also possible that you have to specify that in lts.conf
[11:17] <juliux> the thinclients are running with dapper, but i installed a new dapper and now it is not working
[11:17] <juliux> i get a consolen promt but no x
[11:17] <juliux> alt +f7 is also not working
[11:18] <highvoltage> hmm
[11:19] <juliux> it is very strange
[11:19] <juliux> i think i will try to rebuild the ltspchroot
[11:22] <juliux> it is a timestamp problem with etc/X11
[11:22] <juliux> highvoltage, any idea?
[11:24] <highvoltage> if the timestamp is the reason why it doesn't start (which I doubt it is), then you could try touching the file with the touch command, which will update the timestamp
[11:24] <juliux> highvoltage, ok
[11:25] <juliux> highvoltage, i will change the time on the server and then i will reboot
[11:25] <juliux> highvoltage, the time on the server is 11:25 and on the thinclient it says 9:43 ist in the future
[11:26] <juliux> quit reboot
[11:28] <yemu> hello, any ltsp experts here? i need help
[11:28] <yemu> i can login into terminal only using one user
[11:30] <mwright2> how good is the ltsp support going to be in edubuntu
[11:31] <highvoltage> yemu: hi, have you by any chance changed you IP address?
[11:31] <highvoltage> mwright2: LTSP 5.0 is designed around Edubuntu
[11:32] <highvoltage> mwright2: imho, Edubuntu will probably have better LTSP support than most distributions, LTSP will even work out of the box with the default install in the release made later this month
[11:32] <yemu> highvoltage: ip address of the server
[11:32] <yemu> ?
[11:33] <highvoltage> yemu: yes
[11:33] <highvoltage> yemu: if you change the IP address of the server, you need to update your ssh keys with the command:
[11:33] <highvoltage> sudo update-ltsp-sshkeys
[11:34] <yemu> HIGHVOLTAGE:  command not found
[11:34] <juliux> highvoltage, i will wait 11min then is the timestamp in the paste ;)
[11:34] <yemu> sorry for the caps lock
[11:34] <yemu> i think i have changed my ip
[11:34] <highvoltage> juliux: hehe
[11:34] <yemu> but i'm not sure
[11:34] <highvoltage> yemu: ok, let me just check that command...
[11:35] <highvoltage> ah, I got it the wrong way round, its':
[11:36] <highvoltage> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[11:36] <yemu> thanks, i'm going to check if that works
[11:39] <yemu> highvoltage: it didn't help
[11:39] <yemu> still can't login
[11:39] <highvoltage> yemu: is the user that does work the first user you created?
[11:40] <yemu> let me check
[11:40] <highvoltage> yemu: how long is the passwords of the other users you have created? I think I've had a problem once when I had too short passwords too.
[11:41] <yemu> the strange thing is that i can log through ssh
[11:41] <highvoltage> hmmm
[11:41] <yemu> with every user
[11:41] <highvoltage> that's a strange one
[11:41] <yemu> but in terminal only the one works
[11:42] <highvoltage> how did you create the new users? in the users and groups GUI, or from command line?
[11:42] <yemu> when  try to log in as other user it starts to log in
[11:42] <yemu> command line adduser
[11:42] <highvoltage> can you try to add one using GUI and see what happens?
[11:42] <yemu> because i don't have monitor 
[11:43] <highvoltage> ah I see
[11:43] <highvoltage> but you can log in as the admin user on the thin client?
[11:43] <yemu> i can try with X
[11:43] <yemu> no, i can't
[11:43] <highvoltage> ok
[11:44] <yemu> do you know the name of the gnome user tool?
[11:44] <highvoltage> ogra once told me that the GUI tool does some extra things that adduser doesn't. I'm not sure how that will affect the ltsp logins though, the only thing I do when I create users from CLI is add them to the video and audio groups.
[11:44] <highvoltage> just a sec..
[11:44] <highvoltage> users-admin
[11:45] <yemu> trying
[11:47] <juliux> highvoltage, it is possible to rebuild the chroot?
[11:47] <highvoltage> juliux: yep
[11:47] <juliux> highvoltage, how?
[11:47] <highvoltage> I'd suggest you remove the old one first though
[11:47] <highvoltage> sudo ltsp-build-client
[11:47] <juliux> ok
[11:48] <highvoltage> you can specify where you want to install from with --mirror
[11:48] <juliux> i will delete ist
[11:48] <highvoltage> eg: sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom
[11:48] <highvoltage> or --mirror http://de.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:48] <juliux> i have a very fast internet conncection here
[11:48] <highvoltage> cool
[11:48] <juliux> i am in the university;)
[11:50] <yemu> highvoltage i can log in the thin client, but only in the text terminal (alt+f1)
[11:51] <yemu> not in the gdm
[11:51] <yemu> also i notced that i had to change the group to users
[11:51] <highvoltage> yemu: then there's something very, very wrong
[11:51] <highvoltage> yemu: you're not supposed to be able to log into the client in text mode :)
[11:51] <yemu> becauce by default the group is the same as user name
[11:52] <yemu> oups
[11:52] <highvoltage> yemu: how did you install LTSP? default edubuntu installation?
[11:52] <yemu> i use "normal ubuntu"
[11:52] <yemu> installation from repositories
[11:52] <yemu> dapper
[11:52] <highvoltage> yemu: ok, so you did apt-get install ltsp or apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone?
[11:53] <yemu> it was quite time ago... i have both installed
[11:53] <yemu> is it bad?
[11:53] <highvoltage> no, that's not bad.
[11:54] <highvoltage> as long as you didn't install from tarball from ltsp.org
[11:54] <yemu> no i haven't
[11:54] <highvoltage> and- you shouldn't have ltspadmin or ltspcfg installed either
[11:54] <highvoltage> yemu: did you create the users inside the ltsp chroot?
[11:54] <yemu> i tried to upgrade some time ago to ltsp 4.2 manually
[11:54] <yemu> no
[11:54] <highvoltage> aah, that's where the problem might be
[11:55] <yemu> i created users on the server
[11:55] <yemu> aha
[11:55] <yemu> so what shoul i do?
[11:55] <highvoltage> ubuntu LTSP and LTSP 4.2 is different in dapper
[11:55] <yemu> but the problem with users existed before i tried ltsp 4-2
[11:55] <highvoltage> well, if you did an ubuntu LTSP and a LTSP 4.2 installation, then your system is in a bit of an unpredictable state
[11:56] <highvoltage> because LTSP 4.2 overwrites files that the package manager installed with Ubuntu LTSP
[11:56] <yemu> even if i installed in different directory?
[11:56] <highvoltage> did it install to /opt/ltsp-4.2?
[11:56] <yemu> yes
[11:57] <highvoltage> and there's also an /opt/ltsp?
[11:57] <yemu> yes
[11:57] <highvoltage> when you boot up a thin client, do you get the ubuntu splash screen?
[11:57] <yemu> yes
[11:57] <highvoltage> ok , that's good. It means tftp is downloading an ubuntu kernel.
[11:57] <juliux> highvoltage, i rebuild the chroot but the same problem
[11:58] <highvoltage> yemu: can you also cat /etc/exports and check that /opt/ltsp is exported?
[11:58] <yemu> yes it is
[11:59] <highvoltage> next, you might have an /opt/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[11:59] <highvoltage> check if it exists and open it in text editor
[11:59] <highvoltage> if it doesn't, open up the one in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[11:59] <yemu> i don't have /opt/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[11:59] <highvoltage> there will be a line that says something about root-path
[12:00] <highvoltage> ok, use the one in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf instead
[12:00] <yemu> i have root-path in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[12:00] <highvoltage> check that root-path specifies /opt/ltsp/i386
[12:00] <yemu>  option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[12:00] <yemu> yes
[12:00] <highvoltage> ok
[12:01] <highvoltage> on the thin clients, when you log into a terminal, do you get a standard Ubuntu Dapper login terminal, or just a root shell?
[12:02] <highvoltage> yemu: also, are you sure you're getting GDM at the login screen? It should be LDM on ubuntu ltsp
[12:02] <highvoltage> the best way to tell is, you should have a shut down icon on the bottom left corner of your screen in LDM
[12:03] <highvoltage> (brb)
[12:03] <yemu> i have a white screen with big ubuntu
[12:03] <yemu> ltsp in the left bottom corner
[12:03] <yemu> and a kind of switch itn bottom right
[12:04] <yemu> and the login area in the center
[12:04] <yemu> i checked loging again - i can log in the text terminal only if i change user group to users
[12:05] <yemu> i can't log if the group is the same as user (which seems to be default)
[12:11] <highvoltage> yemu: when you add users, do you chroot into the ltsp environment or just add it from the normal server system?
[12:11] <highvoltage> I can't figure out how you can log in from the terminal on a thin client, that is very strange.
[12:12] <highvoltage> yemu: it sounds like the Ubuntu LTSP environment is intact
[12:12] <highvoltage> yemu: also, what does your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file look like (if there is one)
[12:12] <highvoltage> !paste
[12:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:13] <highvoltage> yemu: paste it there if it exists ^^^ and give me the link
[12:13] <yemu> ok, one moment
[12:13] <yemu> i add users on the server
[12:16] <yemu> there's no /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
[12:16] <highvoltage> yemu: I'm stumped. I suggest you hang around in the channel a bit. ogra might be able to solve that problem.
[12:17] <highvoltage> mixing LTSP.org and Ubuntu LTSP at this stage is unsupported though
[12:17] <highvoltage> if it's a new installation I'd suggest that you start from scratch and just use the Ubuntu LTSP
[12:17] <yemu> ok, so what can i do to delete ltsp from ltsp org
[12:17] <yemu> ?
[12:17] <yemu> i can start over
[12:18] <ogra> yemu, you get a working ldm login screen ?
[12:18] <yemu> yes it's ok
[12:18] <ogra> (with switch on the left and the client hostname on the right (usually ltsp)) ?
[12:18] <yemu> i can type my password and login name
[12:19] <yemu> yes
[12:19] <yemu> and then the screen goes black for a while
[12:19] <yemu> and the logn screen comes back
[12:19] <ogra> so why do you want to reinstall the ltsp bits, they are apparently working fine :)
[12:19] <yemu> i can log only with one user
[12:19] <ogra> can the user you try that with log in on the server directly ?
[12:19] <highvoltage> ogra: it's strange, he has a working LDM login screen, but can't log in from there
[12:19] <highvoltage> ogra: yet he can log in from the thin client terminal!
[12:20] <ogra> he has sabayon installed or his sshkeys are outdated
[12:20] <yemu> what is sabayon?
[12:20] <yemu> higvoltage: i can't login from the terminal on thin client
[12:20] <ogra> a lock down editor for the desktop
[12:20] <highvoltage> yemu: aaah, I misunderstood you there then
[12:21] <ogra> if you dont create profiles for it, but install it, it wont let anyone in from remote
[12:21] <ogra> look in ~/.xsession-errors of the user that cant log in 
[12:22] <ogra> if it says something like "profile not found"
[12:48] <yemu> ogra, highvoltaga - thank you - i don't know if you've read my last message
[12:49] <yemu> everything is ok
[12:49] <yemu> it was the sabayon fault
[12:49] <yemu> or rather mine ;-)
[12:49] <ogra> :)
[12:49] <yemu> login works only if a user has a profile set in sabayon
[12:50] <yemu> but now i have different question: how can  enable auto login in clients?
[12:56] <yemu> and other question: is it possible to change graphic in the login screen?
[01:49] <juliux> re
[01:50] <juliux> i have new problem with my dapper an the thinclient, they are booting but i dont get an xserver there is a problem with the md5sums
[02:47] <juliux> hi
[02:48] <juliux> ogra: highvoltage ping?
[03:02] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:10] <cbx33> afternoon all
[03:11] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[03:11] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[03:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: what's up?
[03:12] <cbx33> just getting some docs toether for scp
[03:12] <highvoltage> great
[03:12] <cbx33> do you know where the handbook stuff is stored?
[03:14] <highvoltage> nope
[03:16] <cbx33> :(
[03:20] <cbx33> I sent my docs to HedgeMage
[03:20] <cbx33> they use svn now
[03:21] <cbx33> but I don't have commit rights
[07:57] <Burgundavia> ogra: you around?
[10:34] <cbx33> HedgeMage, ping
[10:34] <cbx33> did you get my mail?
[10:34] <HedgeMage> cbx33: get my email?
[10:34] <HedgeMage> hehe
[10:34] <HedgeMage> yep, replied like 2 minutes ago
[10:34] <cbx33> hehe
[10:34] <cbx33> just checking now
[10:35] <cbx33> thank you so much HedgeMage 
[10:35] <cbx33> did it look ok?
[10:35] <HedgeMage> cbx33: from what I saw, very good :)
[10:35] <cbx33> and did you put it into the repo?
[10:35] <cbx33> or do yoiu want me to?
[10:36] <HedgeMage> I'm mostly on IRC right now to log a meetup in another chan... I will be out due to family stuff most of the day (or randomly in and out)
[10:36] <HedgeMage> cbx33: if you would that would be awesome.  I haven't yet.
[10:36] <cbx33> of course I will
[10:36] <cbx33> ;)
[10:39] <cbx33> heheh
[10:40] <cbx33> how do we stand with the cover?
[10:40] <HedgeMage> I like the planned design as-is... if you like, I can look up pixel size right now
[10:44] <cbx33> that'd be cool
[10:44] <cbx33> then I can pass it onto lisa
[10:44] <cbx33> you want a back cover as well?
[10:45] <cbx33> do you want a blurb etc?
[10:45] <HedgeMage> cbx33: Yeah, I have some text for the back cover... I'll email it to you tonight after TT goes to bed.
[10:46] <cbx33> ok np
[10:46] <HedgeMage> cbx33: The contributors list will probably have an addition or two by the time we're done, but that's the only change I expect.
[10:46] <cbx33> cool
[11:30] <cbx33> Hey LaserJock 
[11:31] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[11:36] <HedgeMage> cbx33: 3757x2775 WxH  (the middle 72px of width is the spine, and might change slightly, this is an estimage based on how many pages I expect to have)
[11:36] <cbx33> ok
[11:36] <HedgeMage> s/estimage/estimate/
[11:36] <cbx33> it'll probably be solid color anyway
[11:37] <cbx33> can you send thatl ine to aliasvegas@ubuntu.com
[11:37] <HedgeMage> I'd like to have just the words "Edubuntu Handbook -- 6.10" on the spine so we can see what book it is when on the shelf :D
[11:37] <HedgeMage> will do that right now
[11:37] <cbx33> thanky
[11:41] <HedgeMage> cbx33: Okay, dumb question... that's your better half's email, right?
[11:41] <cbx33> yup
[11:41] <HedgeMage> cbx33: because I just realized I referred to you in the third person which would sound dumb if it's yours :)
[11:41] <HedgeMage> cool
[11:42] <cbx33> heheh
[11:42] <cbx33> I'm off to bed
[11:42] <cbx33> nn HedgeMage 
[11:42] <cbx33> thanks for the info
[11:42] <HedgeMage> night night :)