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Tm_Tkate crashes when I click the text12:18
Tm_Thas something to do with that line hinting12:19
nixternal3.5.5 ey?12:21
nixternalya, i think tonio has a fix ready for it12:22
Tm_Tah I see12:22
Tm_Tweird that didn't happen before I started play with colours12:23
nixternalya, he warned before upgrading yesterday..that is how i knew the kde version12:23
sebasTm_T: Did you make a package of serenity?12:29
Tm_Tsebas: nope12:29
sebasBummer :)12:29
Tm_Tsebas: why you ask? afraid to compile/make package yourself?12:30
sebasI feel that I've screwed enough already12:30
Tm_TI could do package for some testers but no way I take any responsibility of it =)12:30
sebasThings kinda work now12:30
sebasI would blame someone else if you do, deal? :)12:30
Tm_Tsebas: just compile and install it, it's plain simple12:31
sebasI've probably all the -dev crap installed anyway, yes.12:31
gnomefreakimbrandon_: seems to work here i removed and installed k-d-s and ran sudo update-initramfs -u and still have ubuntu splash12:34
nixternalheh, you know what i find annoying...the fact my monitor goes into power saving mode, and my screensaver starts...and both of these are unchecked, so that they don't happen12:35
sebasnixternal: Might be my fault.12:35
nixternalit has been doing it since the first day i downloaded edgy..well the screensaver just started ;)12:35
nixternali don't know why it is annoying...as it happens when i am using the other computrer anyways ;)12:36
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sebasdisplayconfig might manipulate your dpms setting.12:37
sebasIt does not touch the screensaver, however.12:38
sebasThat could be powermanager doing so12:38
sebasIs there something DPMS related in there?12:38
nixternallemme look12:38
sebasHm, that looks fine.12:39
nixternal18000 = 5 hours...which is what displayconfig shows, and it is off there, but it still shuts the monitor down12:40
sebasCan you check the actual dpms setting with xset ?12:40
sebasxset q12:40
nixternalDPMS (Energy Star):12:41
nixternal  Standby: 30928    Suspend: 30928    Off: 3092812:41
nixternal  DPMS is Disabled12:41
sebasLooks sane from a "bug in displayconfig" point of view.12:42
sebasDoes displayconfig-restore switch on dpms?12:42
nixternali wonder if it is a bug, or if during an upgrade something went silly12:42
nixternalhmm..let me try12:42
sebas(It should not with your settings)12:42
nixternalno, it didn't change it12:43
sebasHm, good.12:43
sebasThen it's probably something else12:43
sebasIn the meantime I've had a look at powermanager, I don't think it switches on kscreensaver12:44
sebasit only sets it to blankonly when on battery12:44
nixternalya, i just got a great white X on a blacked out background12:44
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nixternalit isn't a screensaver..i thought it was01:22
nixternalit is a broken something or other ;)01:23
claydohsweet, never considered putting stickers on my monitor, now I have a spot for mine :)01:32
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nixternali guess you are anti-gotta-make-some-money01:34
claydohjust don't like stickers on stuff mostly :)01:34
claydohthe mrs on the other hand....01:34
nixternalya me either..but stickers on my puters, monitors, and lappies are a must...its my way of advertising01:35
claydohbumper stickers, window decals, vanity plates, door magnets01:35
claydohwell if i had a lappy, id probably put one, not too big or not too small01:36
nixternalbumper stickers on the bumpter == no for me..but a small decal  for the window i will do01:36
claydohbut she is advertizing dog agility and flyball, so I have to deal with the dog-mobile01:37
nixternalheh...gnome is junk...i am copying over some files, from ~/downloads to ~/downloads/tmp using the File Browser, and it crashes...the Bug Reporting Tool, aka Bug Buddy pops up for DC/DVD Copying01:37
claydohI have not installed gnome in a while01:38
nixternalno wonder gnome has more "bug duplication" than anyother bug monitoring suite...you fill out that info and it creates a bug report01:39
nixternalwell...i am running edubuntu on another setup for testing as well01:40
nixternaledubuntu should be KDE anyways01:40
nixternalmore than 75% of the packages are KDE Edu i think01:40
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claydohorkid__: http://www.flyballdogs.com/, and the team: http://www.flyballdogs.com/flyball_maineiacs/02:16
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claydohooooh 02:36
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nixternalkonversation 1.0.1 is out - bug fixer upper07:29
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Hobbseehey all07:42
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sivangmorning all08:33
freeflyingsivang: hey08:34
sivanghey dudes08:34
DaSkreechsivang: Have I met you before?08:35
sivangDaSkreech: I'm not sure, do you recall where? :)08:36
DaSkreechHere? :)08:36
sivangDaSkreech: probably, but I've only been logged in the channel for long recently, I'm exploting the Kubuntu grounds ;)08:38
DaSkreechIs that like postploting? :)08:38
Hobbseehey sivang 08:39
sivanghi Hobbsee !08:40
sivangDaSkreech: I would know, if I had known what postploting is :-)08:40
sivangah crap, right08:41
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sivang"I'm *Exploring* Kubuntu grounds"08:41
sivangDaSkreech: ^^08:41
DaSkreechAhhhh :)08:41
DaSkreechMann no Kiwii08:43
DaSkreechHe almost got one of my friends (who is a Kard karrying KDE hater) tio use Kubuntu 08:43
sivangDaSkreech: who did?08:45
DaSkreechHobbsee: Is there a plan to have systemm mesages show(able) for the new splash08:45
HobbseeDaSkreech: no idea.  i think the plan is to have it quiet08:46
DaSkreechsivang: Ken He's doing the artwork for the new Kubuntu08:46
DaSkreechHobbsee: It's distracting :(08:46
DaSkreechI find myself staring at it every time wondering if something is going to fail or wondering if it has failed arleady08:47
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sivangDaSkreech: ah right, Ken, I met him over the last UDS :)08:49
DaSkreechMucho respect for him :)08:49
DaSkreechHobbsee: Well guess I'll register a mild protest Monday08:51
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DaSkreechWhich fix?08:56
HobbseeDaSkreech: the bug makes all toshiba notebooks unbootable in normal mode from the -8 and up kernels.08:59
DaSkreechAh A big with pinchers08:59
DaSkreechBug even09:01
Hobbseehey mhb 09:05
DaSkreechWhy isn't Xen in Edgy?09:06
Hobbseeit should be there09:06
Hobbsee!find xen edgy09:06
ubotuFound: gtk-engines-xenophilia, libc6-xen, libexene-smlnj, libjaxen-java, libroxen-123session (and 107 others)09:06
ubotuXEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy09:06
DaSkreechOh I menat on by default09:07
Hobbseeit's there09:07
HobbseeDaSkreech: think about it.  09:07
HobbseeDaSkreech: cd space09:07
Hobbseefor a start09:07
DaSkreechRight one Cd Distro :-(09:07
DaSkreechKnoppix has been cussing about that since pre 4.0 :)09:07
mhbthere's a installation dvd as well, isn't it?09:08
imbrandonmhb, sure but its the same install as the cd ( just has a few extra packages on the dvd but not installed )09:09
DaSkreechYeah but not all people have a DVD09:09
imbrandonDaSkreech, that is a weak argument, the lowend systems ( less than $500 ) sold 3 years ago have dvd players09:10
mhbhmm, upgrading Dapper->Edgy is still a pain :oI09:22
freeflyingmhb: why?09:25
Hobbseemhb: hehe, thought it might be.  what are the errors?09:28
mhbsome locale trouble, then krita needed a krita-base package which wasn't installed, then /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc was created in Dapper by a script and in Edgy it's provided in the package (or so the apt said)09:31
mhbI'm still waiting for the kubuntu-desktop to install :o) it takes more time in a VM09:31
Hobbseegah.  09:46
Hobbseemy laptop's hitting 75C and i'm just browsing the web!09:46
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Riddell_Sime: do it!11:04
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sivanghey Riddell , what's up?11:14
imbrandonwoot , http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25950/11:16
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_SimeRiddell: are the nVidia drivers in order in edgy?11:18
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Riddell_Sime: no idea I'm afraid11:26
Riddellsivang: we're just trying to wake sladen up to get him to meeting on tim11:26
_SimeRiddell: I might upgrade sometime this week while I'm at work, and when Debbie doesn't need anything being served from my computer...11:28
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sivangRiddell: heh11:33
sivangRiddell: kubuntu meetin I suppose?11:33
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freeflyingRiddell: I can't reproduce a bug, and many others can't too, shall I reject it, but the reporter insist that he can reproduce11:40
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\shfreeflying: which one? :)11:42
freeflying\sh: malone #3576011:43
UbugtuMalone bug 35760 in scim-qtimm "Only 1 konsole session with transparency" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3576011:43
mhbfreeflying: that means there is something he forgot to mention11:47
mhbfreeflying: IMHo11:47
freeflyingseems \sh use de's locale11:49
freeflying\sh: do you use de's locale?11:49
\shor his default profile is not set to transparent and his settings are not working11:49
\shI'll try to reproduce11:49
freeflying\sh: thanks11:49
freeflyingsorry, that guy use da_DK, so anyone here use this? thanks11:51
mhbfreeflying: it's not that hard to install it, is it?11:52
freeflyingmhb: sure  :)11:53
mhbfreeflying: I'll take a look11:54
freeflyingmhb: thanks11:55
\shI set one scheme to transparent11:56
\shsaved it as "shell" default (which is my default) 11:56
\shrestared console, first shell is transparent, second is black11:56
mhbsame by me11:57
freeflying\sh: actrually, when he use da_DK locale, scim stuffs will not be loaded11:57
mhbfirst one transparent, second one black11:57
Tm_Tmooh, also, if you start konsole, tabbar isn't showing even when it's set to11:57
\shfreeflying: i think for de_DE it won't be loaded as well11:57
Tm_Tuntil you play back and forth those settings11:57
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\shfreeflying: at least I don't see any scim/skim icon in my panel11:58
freeflying\sh: sure :)11:58
\shI think it's more a konsole bug then scim/skim foo11:59
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silver_hookHi, I have a slight problem - I need to know (for an article in TUX) how to install Kopete 0.12.1 (or newer) in Kubuntu with Adept ...and I'm a Gentoo user (and they don't want to hear about compiling :P)12:33
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fdovingsilver_hook: hmm.. there is http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/  but i think it's 0.12.012:38
fdovinghah. found it. imbrandon made some dapper packages.12:40
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silver_hookfdoving: thanks :)12:41
silver_hookIs this then done in Adapt? The TUX editors are awfully strict when it comes to complete noobie-friendliness :S12:42
fdovingok, hang on then.12:42
fdovingi'll explain how i would do it.12:42
silver_hookthanks :)12:43
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mhbIs a question from apt-get while upgrading considered as a bug?12:51
Jucatomhb: depends on what question, I guess?12:51
mhbapt-get says during Dapper->Edgy upgrade that the file /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc was created by a script (or by me) but is present in package libqt3-mt so it expects me to choose an action12:52
mhbif I did that through Adept that would mean the installation would stop12:52
mhband you would have to then open "Show Details" and choose (N is without problems here)12:53
Jucatomhb: not really. it would just "seem" to stop, but if you click on "Show Details" you'll see the same prompt/question12:53
Jucatoer... yeah :)12:53
fdovingsilver_hook: ok, open adept manager (kmenu -> system -> adept manager)12:53
Jucatoit's the same as Synaptic, though12:53
mhbJucato: yep, but do you think we cannot avoid it by "fixing" the file in the package ?12:54
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fdovingsilver_hook: actually, you might be better off with this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu12:55
silver_hookfdoving: you just keep talking - i'm on Gentoo, I just need to know and write how to do it :S12:55
silver_hookfdoving: thanks, will do :)12:55
fdovingsilver_hook: or, rarther https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu#head-9a7a4519857af012ff775e9c0f15fbce6017367612:55
Jucatomhb: I wouldn't really know. There are times when APT really needs to asks questions, like when kdm is being upgraded. I don't think "fixing" would be appropriate in that sense12:55
fdovingsilver_hook: just replace "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main" with "deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper kopete"12:56
silver_hookfdoving: thanks again :)12:56
fdovingsilver_hook: that should be about it.12:56
mhbJucato: yes, the bad thing is that the user won't notice it until he opens the details12:57
Jucatomhb: yeah. it's the same with Synaptic actually12:57
JucatoI think a better solution would probably to have Adept automatically show the details when user confirmation is needed.12:57
mhbJucato: keeping the old configuration file won't do any harm either (in this case)01:00
fdovinghmm.. adept -> manage repositories doesnt't work on edgy.. 01:03
mhbfdoving: sadly01:03
fdovingthat's a regression from dapper.01:04
mhbfdoving: kde 13338801:04
UbugtuKDE bug 133388 in general "Manage Repositories is disabled" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13338801:04
Jucatoregression from dapper?01:04
fdovingi found it.01:04
mhbfdoving: IIRC Jonathan said he'll look at it01:05
fdovinggood.. i'm getting nervous about this..  :|01:06
fdovingprism2_usb module missing, adept manage repositores doesn't work, apt-index-watcher eats 100% cpu sometimes.. etc.01:07
Jucatofdoving: still loving adept? :)01:08
Jucatobut seriously, adept really needs *a lot* of loving01:08
fdovingJucato: i (almost) never use it.01:08
Jucatook, s/love/like01:08
mhbJucato: +1 and I think everyone know that :o)01:08
fdovingi've used apt-get for almost 5 years, can't even get myself to start using aptitude.01:08
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Hobbseemhb: kubuntu finished installing yet?01:27
mhbHobbsee: yes, in a way01:28
Hobbseemhb: how much damage?01:28
mhbHobbsee: I upgraded and added kubuntu-desktop01:28
Hobbseemhb: right, yep01:29
mhbHobbsee: then I restarted and now I'm left with a black screen when X should start01:29
Hobbseemhb: what brand is the laptop?01:29
mhbHobbsee: it's a virtual machine01:29
Hobbseetrue that01:29
Hobbseemhb: boot in it's recovery mode, and grab /var/log/syslog?01:31
Hobbseeand pastebin it somewhere?01:31
mhbHobbsee: right away01:31
Hobbseemhb: sounds good01:31
mhbhmm, recovery mode booted fine, seems it's some X trouble01:33
HobbseeJucato: ping?01:33
JucatoHobbsee: pong01:34
HobbseeJucato: type /sysinfo ?01:34
JucatoSysinfo for 'ark': Linux 2.6.15-27-k7 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: AMD Sempron 2200+ at 1500 MHz (3003 bogomips), HD: 26/73GB, RAM: 577/1010MB, 114 proc's, 1.29h up01:34
JucatoI'm on Dapper01:34
HobbseeJucato: how do you feel like testing 3.5.5 for us?  on dapper?01:35
HobbseeJucato: i think you're the first dapper tester we've got for this01:35
Jucatoer... right now?01:35
JucatoI'd hate to turn you down... but probably tomorrow afternoon?01:35
HobbseeJucato: want to add "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ dapper main" to your sources list, so that you can get it the next time you update anyway?01:36
Hobbseethat way neither you or i cant forget :)01:36
Jucatodon't worry, I have really planned to try out 3.5.501:36
mhbHobbsee: ultra-weird, booted fine with recovery mode, even "kdm" worked01:36
Jucato(actually to use it only after it's been announced, but what the heck :P)01:37
Hobbseemhb: pastebin the dodgy syslog somewhere :)01:37
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)01:37
HobbseeJucato: testing asap so we find the bugs quickly before the official release of it would be good.  we've already found some in the edgy edition01:38
HobbseeJucato: and you're one of the few people who are still running dapper regularly in here. :)01:38
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Hobbseei'm serious :)01:39
Jucatowell, it's not as if you're going to fix it if there are bugs :P01:39
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Jucatoj/k of course01:40
Jucatoyes I'll definitely try it out tomorrow. right now, my sister is bugging me on transferring her files from my PC to her laptop...01:40
Jucatoand I have no idea how to do it...01:40
Hobbseeokay.  you might want to add the repo now anyway01:40
Jucato(she's on XP)01:40
Hobbseeer....good point01:41
Hobbseeyou'll have to share your drive, then access it from hers01:41
Hobbseeoh, wait.  you can share hers via samba01:41
HobbseeJucato: and then just copy the files over01:41
Hobbseeas long as you dont try to modify them, iirc01:41
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JucatoHobbsee: the files are quite huge....01:41
Jucatoit stalls when I'm copying01:42
HobbseeJucato: idiot question warning:  there's enough space?  and are you trying to copy via wifi or wired?01:42
Hobbseeie, ethernet or something?01:42
JucatoHobbsee: wired ethernet 10/100mbps. of course there's enough space (brand new laptop :P)01:43
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JucatoI'm a complete networking noob so I don't know if I'm doing things right anyway lol01:44
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Hobbseeweird, i wonder why they freeze...01:44
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JucatoHobbsee: what's the ethernet speed?01:44
Jucatosilver_hook: could you please turn off the /away message?01:45
HobbseeJucato: dont remember.  something like that01:45
Jucatoer... ok... well, my situation is a bit more complicated than it seems..01:45
mhbHobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25964/ current syslog01:45
JucatoXP is connected to Linux via just a multi-port modem (not sure if it's a router), using IP masquerading01:45
Hobbseemhb: hmmm.  i dont know sorry.  i'm not good at reading them01:50
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silver_hookJucato: sorry, didn't know it was against chan policy01:55
JucatoI thought you got fdoving's message earlier. 01:55
ubotuPlease don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines01:55
Hobbseesilver_hook: it is amongst all *ubuntu* related channels :)01:57
silver_hookHobbsee: not being an ubuntu user, i wouldn't know ..but still, sorry , won't happen again01:57
Hobbseesilver_hook: ahhhhhh :)  where do you fit?01:57
Hobbseeright :)01:58
silver_hooki'm on ubuntu because of "official" business ;)01:58
JucatoTUX business01:58
Hobbseesilver_hook: ooh.  can i ask what sort?01:58
Jucatoer.. noobish question... how can I know the local IP of my Linux box? (trying vsftpd)01:58
HobbseeJucato: ifconfig, usually01:59
silver_hookyea, not only do the favour KDE (which i'm ok with), but also Ubuntu ...so I have to write in my articles how to install stuff in ubuntu ..i'm having problems with telling them how to install kopete-0.12.1 01:59
silver_hookanyway ..i'm off ironing for an hour or so01:59
JucatoHobbsee: which one? eth0's entry is indecipherable, lo is, and ppp0 changes everytime I reconnect/reboot02:00
Hobbseesilver_hook: in dapper?  enable the backports.02:01
Hobbseein edgy, kopete 0.12.2 is there02:01
JucatoHobbsee: err.. not yet02:01
HobbseeJucato: ahh.02:02
Jucatoyou better poke someone :P02:02
Hobbseesilver_hook: say "backports is still a work in progress.  that's where the updated packages are, but they arent supported by cannonical, the same way that main or universe is.  the latest is in edgy.  0.12.3 doesnt contain security fixes, and those are the only things being updated in dapper apart from backports"02:03
Hobbseeor something to that effect02:03
Hobbseebug 6422502:03
UbugtuMalone bug 64225 in f-spot "F-spot" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6422502:03
mhbsorry, I had a little accident here :o)02:04
mhbI'll come back later when my laptop is available again ... cya02:06
silver_hookHobbsee: don't worry ..imbrandon's on the case 02:06
Hobbseesilver_hook: ahh, right, so i wont do the yelling.02:06
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Hobbsee!seen jk*02:17
Hobbseegah.  what's his nick?02:17
HobbseeJucato: i spoke with a guy a couple of weeks or so ago, but lost a lot of my logs02:19
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JucatoHobbsee: good thing you asked me to test KDE 3.5.5 now. I was planning to reformat :P02:20
HobbseeJucato: :)02:21
Hobbseei didnt think it was that unstable, myself02:21
Hobbseeunlike kde 3.5.0 beta202:21
Jucatoor as buggy as KDE 3.5.4? :)02:21
Jucatobut I'm not sure if my system is a good testing ground... but then again, the only thing I've installed from source is kdissert :P02:22
HobbseeJucato: heh02:23
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Hobbseei didnt see too many bugs in 3.5.402:23
Jucatokpersonalizer, hal, system settings, anti-aliasing, just to name a few02:23
Jucatothat and you had to actually dist-upgrade rather than just upgrade to 3.5.4?02:24
Hobbseeyou did anyway02:24
Hobbseeyou usually do02:24
Hobbseegood point02:24
Jucatowell the previous updates didn't need a dist-upgrade. only 3.5.4 because kdelibs4-bin needs to be removed02:25
fdovingare there ppc debs for 3.5.5 ? 02:25
Jucatooh, where did you guys hide the docs for the "Documentation" tab in Quanta? (PHP, CSS, HTML, DocBook, etc?)02:27
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Hobbseefdoving: not that i know of.  i'm not sure, to be honest02:28
Jucatofdoving: seems like there are ppc debs02:29
fdovingJucato: nice, then i'll try them, thanks for checking (i'm getting lazy, i know) :)02:30
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Hobbseehey bddebian 03:02
bddebianHeya Hobbsee03:02
Jucatohi bddebian!03:03
Jucatough this is hopeless!!03:03
bddebianHeya Jucato03:04
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Tm_THobbsee: meh, it's now reverted ;)03:38
HobbseeTm_T: hmmm?03:38
Tm_Tthat fix I committed03:39
HobbseeTm_T: heh.  ohhh...03:39
Hobbseei see nwo03:39
Tm_Toh well, better luck next time =)03:39
Tm_Tmore coffee ->03:39
Hobbseeheh, okay03:39
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Hobbseenight all!03:40
Jucatonight Hobbsee03:40
Hobbseeor, almost03:47
Hobbseehehe, i'm getting talked to in #kde-devel.  scary03:47
Hobbseeyeah, well03:50
Hobbseethey're not telling me off, suprisingly03:50
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Jucatojust a question about repositories. if, for example, I have the online repositories enabled and also the cdrom repository enabled, but I don't have an internet connection, will there be some problems or will APT be smart enough to ignore the online repos and install from the cdrom?04:28
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Enola_Gayhi all04:30
Enola_GayIs the Firefox 2.0 restore session issue known?04:31
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Enola_GayFirefox things that every kde session logout was a crash and shows a message on next boot/login if session should restored or a new started.04:32
Enola_GayIt seems to have problems with the kde session manager.04:33
JucatoEnola_Gay: I'm not sure but I found this in Launchpad: bug 60147 sounds similar to what you're saying04:37
UbugtuMalone bug 60147 in xfce4-session "saved firefox resumes as if crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6014704:37
HawkwindEnola_Gay: I can confirm that as well.  It's happened since I installed Edgy in a vmware session and everytime I logout or even shutdown the system with firefox open it does that.  However, it does that using TabMixPlus in firefox in Dapper as well04:38
Enola_GayJucato: thx04:41
Enola_GayJucato: yes, you are right, but KDE session manager seems to have the same problem. Should it be reported separately or not?04:43
HawkwindEnola_Gay: I just replied to the bug myself.  You should/could do the same thing04:46
Enola_GayHawkwind: ok, added a comment. I think it should be assigned to Firefox instead.04:57
HawkwindEnola_Gay: You can assign it to them too if you want04:58
Enola_GayHawkwind: no, it is not my bugreport and maybe the poster doesn't want it. He could do it if he agrees.05:05
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Tonio__hi all05:27
Tonio__Riddell: ping ?05:27
Jucatohi Tonio_05:28
Tonio_hi Jucato05:29
Tonio_imbrandon: you didn't commit your kds changes in bzr...05:29
Tonio_imbrandon you really should since your changes will be overwritten by next update05:29
Tm_Thmm, weird05:59
Tm_Talmost like kdesu was in finnish when all my settings are pointing to en_GB05:59
Tm_Ttime to reboot, my bluetooth is gone wild ->06:00
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mhbsebas: I think the bug you mentioned in the ML is the kde 135045 which has been resolved (don't know if somebody told you already)07:07
UbugtuKDE bug 135045 in general "Crash on various occasions" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13504507:07
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mhbquiet here today07:52
Riddellthat's because I hve the worst internet ever07:57
imbrandonRiddell, heh07:59
mhbwell I spilled water all over my laptop keyboard ... had to dry it all afternoon07:59
mhbtoday's a bad day :o)07:59
imbrandoni got all the cross compilers to work , now i'm working on getting pbuilder to build packages for other arches08:02
imbrandoni can compile binarys for other arches now , so thats 50% ;)08:03
mhbRiddell: I wanted to ask you - is a question from apt-get worth reporting/fixing?08:05
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Enola_Gayhi all08:05
Riddellmhb: depends on what question08:05
Riddellhi Enola_Gay 08:05
Enola_GayMultimedia key recognition works great in KDE Edgy08:05
Enola_Gayhi Riddell08:05
imbrandonheya Enola_Gay08:05
RiddellEnola_Gay: excellent to hear, what type of laptop?08:06
imbrandonRiddell, i thought you had a great connection08:06
Enola_GayDon't know how you made this but the play/pause key only starts tracks but not pauses it. It is just cosmetic but it helps a lot with amarok :)08:06
Enola_Gayhi imbrandon08:06
Enola_GayRiddell: Sony TX208:06
imbrandonoh wow Riddell i just checked my MM keyboard on the desktop it works now too, no idea when it started but it dident in dapper08:07
Enola_GayStop, Next and Previous work fine and play too but play forgets to pause if a track is played :)08:07
mhbRiddell: to be exact - a configuration file /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc was generated by script ( = not removed) but the Edgy package includes it ... the "keep the current version" question from apt-get08:07
mhbRiddell: no trouble pressing Enter and moving on but you know how Adept handles apt-get questions08:08
mhbRiddell: I guess it depends on how hard it is to "fix" this08:14
Tm_Tthis is weird, kdesu is partly finnish08:16
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imbrandonheya el08:17
Riddellmhb: hmm, I wonder which cript generated that08:17
elhey imbrandon , hey Riddell 08:18
mhbRiddell: it says either made by a script or modified by me but I obviously didn't modify it (it was a testing installation, I just installed&upgraded)08:18
imbrandonmhb, yea i noticed that on upgrade too08:18
Enola_GayOk, I have redefined the keycode with xmodmap and call playPause with input actions. Works without problems. :)08:21
Enola_GayI would suggest Edgy for LTS :)08:22
mhbEnola_Gay: rather not :o)08:24
mhbEnola_Gay: there are edges, even if you don't see them08:24
Enola_Gaymhb: hm, I have only one annoying bug and if I remember Dapper four weeks before release :)08:25
Enola_Gaymhb: Dapper still can't scale cpu on many laptops ...08:26
Enola_GayBut who cares, I love my Edgy ;)08:26
Enola_Gayand I use only a little part of the whole feature set so there may be huge differences.08:29
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Enola_Gaycu all08:46
imbrandonRiddell, i do have to say kmail is MUCH more solid in 3.5.5 i havent had one segfault yet ( and it was a normal thing )08:46
imbrandonany word on the UVF or do we have to wait for mondayish08:47
fdovingRiddell: any plans on building 3.5.5 for ppc on kubuntu.org ? 08:52
imbrandonfdoving, i have it about 1/2 built on my lappy but i stoped when he said we might get a uvf08:53
fdovingimbrandon, ah.. ok.08:54
fdovingi could build on my laptop too. but if we get a uvf it would rock.08:54
imbrandonyea, thats kinda what i said, becouse i thought i could do it in an afternoon on the laptop but its quite slow08:55
imbrandonso it took almost 24hours just to do half08:55
imbrandonthats one reason i'm on my cross-compiler quest08:56
imbrandonwell i got the cross compiler to work , just working on the cross packaging now08:56
fdovingi just googled 'corosscompiling ppc i386' :)08:56
imbrandoni can set you up for cross compiling easy, but it wont make deb's just compile/link08:57
imbrandonthat hard part is the cross packaging it seems08:57
fdovingcan't be that hard. 08:57
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fdovingimbrandon: what do you use to cross compile? 09:05
windshearanyone also axperience this problem: if I shut down or sestart my pc edgy hangs at the point the progress bar appears09:06
windshearif i press reset then, the next time it works09:06
windshearquite strange...09:07
windshearis there any log?09:07
imbrandonone sec09:07
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imbrandonfdoving, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25950/09:08
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imbrandonwindshear, not sure, but you can remove "quite splash" from the kernel options to watch it next time09:09
imbrandonfdoving, are you on i386 ? i have powerpc gcc packages09:10
imbrandonand the required deps09:10
fdovingimbrandon, some info on debian cross-building at the bottom here: http://meltin.net/hacks/linux/crossbuild.html09:10
imbrandonto save you some compileing , like i said it wont package them ( yet ) but it compiles ;)09:10
fdovingimbrandon, i have a i386 workstation i would like to make ppc packages on.09:10
imbrandonfdoving, oh wow, thats got the last step i need in it09:12
fdovingimbrandon, did you say you have powerpc gcc packages for i386? 09:12
imbrandonfdoving, yes09:13
imbrandonand the required deps09:13
imbrandoni just havent setup pbuilder to use those yet09:13
windshearimbrandon how do i remove the quite splash option?=09:13
fdovingare they online somehwer? 09:13
imbrandonwindshear, edit /boot/grub/menu.list09:13
imbrandonfdoving, no but i can upload them09:13
windshearok, will try09:13
fdovingimbrandon, would be great :)09:14
imbrandonfdoving, actualy yea they are online, one sec09:14
imbrandonfdoving, add "deb http://debian.speedblue.org ./" to sources.list and install "sudo apt-get install gcc-4.1-powerpc" it will grab the needed deps09:15
imbrandonit installs it to /usr/powerpc/* so it wont fubar anything09:16
imbrandonfdoving, and i'm adapting the last setp from that url you gave me to get pbuilder to use it now, so here in a few i'll be able to make powerpc packages on my i386 , yay\o/09:17
fdovingnice :)09:17
fdovingis it fast? 09:18
fdovingthe cross-compiling? 09:18
imbrandonsame as normal compiling09:18
imbrandonfor what ever machine your on09:18
imbrandonalso note there are many arch cross compilers there at that url09:19
fdovingso the 2.4Ghz P4 will be a bit faster than the ibook :)09:19
imbrandonhere is a list http://debian.speedblue.org/09:19
imbrandonfdoving, my thoughts exactly09:19
imbrandonohhh nice, i think i got it working09:19
fdovinggreat :)09:19
imbrandontime to build a test package and put it on the ibook09:20
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imbrandonif it works i'll write a mini howto for start to finish09:20
imbrandonon my website09:20
fdovingdpbuilder (0.1-3) - Distributed pbuilder using tree and leader election09:22
fdovingfrom debian.speedblue.org09:22
imbrandonyea i tried that09:22
imbrandonits not what you would think09:23
imbrandonit still builds each package on one machine , its for rebuilding a whole pool09:23
fdovingjust read that.. too bad.09:23
fdovingdo you use ccache with pbuilder? 09:23
imbrandonmost of the time09:23
imbrandonactualy since i redid my build machine i havent setup ccache or distcc again09:24
fdovingdid you try cowbuilder? 09:25
fdovingi have it running on my ibook, it's nicer to the disk than pbuilder.09:25
imbrandonnah never tried it09:26
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imbrandoni'm sooooo close09:48
=== gnomefreak no closer than i was 2 days ago :(
imbrandongnomefreak, to what ?09:52
gnomefreakim building GNU hello and when i run debuild -S -sa it errors cause it cant find my key09:53
imbrandondoes it show your key when you run "gpg --list-keys"09:54
imbrandonand thats the exact email that you have listed in debain/changelog09:54
imbrandonto the byte09:54
gnomefreakoh wait09:55
gnomefreaklet me look09:55
fdovingdoes dpkg-buildpackage -kkeyid work? 09:55
imbrandonfdoving, it would yes, but i bet its a matter of his changelog09:55
imbrandonfdoving, becosue that would overide what the changelog has09:55
gnomefreakin the change log should i have the <emailo>09:56
gnomefreakor no <>09:56
imbrandon -- Michael Vogt <michael.vogt@ubuntu.com>  Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:08:17 +020009:56
imbrandonthe email should be byte for byte your gpgkey09:56
gnomefreak-- John Vivirito <gnomefreak@gmail.com>  Fri,  6 Oct 2006 21:03:18 -040009:56
imbrandonwhats gpg --listkeys output ?09:56
gnomefreakJohn Vivirito (gnomefreak) <gnomefreak@gmail.com>09:57
gnomefreaki used --list-keys gnomefreak09:57
imbrandontry to build with " debuild -S -sa -kgnomefreak@gmail.com "09:57
imbrandonif that works lemme know09:59
gnomefreakok that worked09:59
imbrandonthen you can make a file ~/.devscripts that contains DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-kgnomefreak@gmail.com"09:59
imbrandonand you wont have to put the -k everytime09:59
gnomefreakwhat would i use?10:00
imbrandonjust debuild -S -sa10:00
imbrandonas normal10:00
gnomefreakty :)10:00
imbrandonor debuild -S -sd , etc etc etc10:00
imbrandonwhat ever you are calling for10:00
gnomefreakok and just the one line in the file?10:00
imbrandonits also nice to set DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME in your ~/.bashrc for dch -i to use10:02
imbrandonif you want to know about that lemme know10:02
gnomefreaki have my key in my bashrc10:02
imbrandonnot the key10:02
imbrandonthe DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME so when you call dch -i it fills it in correctly10:03
imbrandonexport DEBEMAIL=gnomefreak@gmail.com10:03
gnomefreakoh cool10:03
imbrandonthen DEBFULLNAME='John sdfsd'10:03
imbrandonthen when you run dch -i on the changelog it does it right10:04
gnomefreakadd them anywhere in ~/.bashrc?10:04
imbrandon( but you have to start a new bash session for that to take effect10:04
imbrandonyea i normaly stick it way at the bottom10:04
imbrandonbut anywhere works10:04
gnomefreakexport DEBFULLNAME?10:05
imbrandonexport DEBEMAIL=imbrandon@kubuntu.org10:05
imbrandonexport DEBFULLNAME="Brandon Holtsclaw"10:05
imbrandon^^ thats mine10:05
imbrandonthen close konsole and reopen it to get a new bash session10:05
gnomefreakty thats done :)10:05
imbrandonnow when you use dch it will fill in the correct info10:06
imbrandonsave a bit of time10:06
gnomefreak:) makes it a bit faster10:06
gnomefreaknow to find another app to build since i cant upload this (its learning package)10:07
mhbRiddell: please, inform me (later) if the apt-get question is worth filing as a bug or not (yes/no)10:07
imbrandonfdoving, ohhhh sooooo close http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26007/10:09
imbrandongot to be just something small i'm over looking10:09
imbrandoni have all the build deps afaik10:11
fdovingdo you have libxext-dev ? 10:11
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windshear_ok i've removed the quet splash option from the kernel10:12
imbrandonbrandon@horatio:~/devel/adept$ dpkg -l|grep libxext10:12
imbrandonii  libxext-dev                                1.0.1-1ubuntu1                       X11 miscellaneous extensions library (develo10:12
imbrandonii  libxext6                                   1.0.1-1ubuntu1                       X11 miscellaneous extension library10:12
imbrandonboth installed10:12
fdovingthen it should be there.10:12
imbrandonfdoving, i know heh10:12
windshear_i can now see that it hangs at usb 3-2: usb disconnect, adress 310:12
imbrandonprobably something with the search paths of the cross compiler10:12
imbrandonwindshear_, would probably get more help in #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-devel ( durring the weekdays ) as its not kde specific10:13
imbrandonsoo most of us dont handle that stuff10:13
windshear_its not kde related, its kernel related, it exists in ubuntu + kubuntu10:14
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imbrandongah 10:27
imbrandoni wish i knew bash a bit better10:27
imbrandonyea 10:27
imbrandonbut i need to mass rename a few files10:28
fdovingi have to setup a pbuilder on my i386 box before i can do anything.. 10:28
imbrandonany good as bash one liners ?10:28
fdovingwhat do you need? 10:28
imbrandonln -s powerpc-linux-* powerpc-linux-gnu-*10:28
imbrandononly that actualy does that10:29
Hawkwindimbrandon: Why not use mmv ?10:30
imbrandoni dont want to move them10:30
imbrandoni want to link them10:30
imbrandonwell symlink10:30
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gnomefreakis there an easy to build kde app like gnuhello?10:39
fdovingimbrandon, like this: for i in powerpc-linux-*;do ln -s $i $(echo $i | sed s/linux/linux-gnu/);done10:41
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imbrandongnomefreak, not that i'm aware, but i'm sure there is10:42
fdovingcan probably be done with some nifty ${i%} stuff as the second argument, but i cheated :)10:42
imbrandonfdoving, hehe long as it gets the job done ;)10:42
imbrandonman this has got to be a PATH issue but i cant fugure it out10:42
imbrandonseems to be the last step 10:43
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fdovingimbrandon,progress? 10:57
imbrandonslow but yea10:57
imbrandonthis is day 6 or 7 on this 10:57
imbrandonreading some man pages now for dpkg-cross10:58
DaSkreechbooting Windows Vista?10:58
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DaSkreechWell he said it was day 5 or 6 at it10:59
imbrandonDaSkreech, and that has to do with what ?10:59
DaSkreech I just thought he might be trying Vista >_< :)10:59
imbrandonyea vista boots on my machine in like 5 minutes. still fail to see what that has to do with this channell as mhb said11:00
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_windshear_i have a very strange problem with 6.1011:33
_windshear_I'm only able to boot it every 2 nd time11:33
mhb_windshear_: what does happen when you won't boot it?11:34
mhb_windshear_: does the screen go black? when?11:34
_windshear_it freezes at the beginning of the progress bar. to find out why i removed the quite splash option from the kernel11:35
gnomefreak_windshear_: does it boot with the wuite option in the kernel boot parmetes?11:35
_windshear_it sometimes stops at ohci1394 fw-host 011:36
mhb_windshear_: sounds like a hardware-related problem11:36
_windshear_and sometimes it hangs at usb 3-2 usb disconnect, address 311:36
_windshear_mhb I don't have a problem with 6.06 nor with windows11:37
_windshear_so its not a hardware defect11:37
mhb_windshear_: still it might be some driver having trouble with the USB/FW11:37
gnomefreak_windshear_: you cant say that11:37
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gnomefreak_windshear_: 6.10 is different than any other 11:38
gnomefreakfor example upstart is now in edgy none of the others11:38
gnomefreakbtw hint that may be a place to look11:38
mhb_windshear_: If you file a bug, don't forget to add a lot of information about your hardware and your motherboard etc11:38
_windshear_I can, everything works just fine, and if it woul be a hardware issue it would either happen randomly or everytime11:39
mhb_windshear_: it seems like the usb subsystem is having trouble11:39
_windshear_but in my case it is like this:11:39
_windshear_i start my pc, it hangs11:39
_windshear_i press reset, everything works11:40
_windshear_all usb devices work11:40
gnomefreak_windshear_: any crash logs in /var/crash?11:40
gnomefreakanything in /var/log/sys*11:40
_windshear_will check11:40
gnomefreaki think its sys11:41
mhb_windshear_: we can't help you here much since we're no kernel devs (and no bug hunters either)11:41
gnomefreaksyslog and kernellog i would look in. i would file a bug and i will look at it and let you know what info is needed please give as much explantaion as you can11:42
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windsheari have ayslog file11:54
windsheara syslog file11:55
gnomefreakwindshear: you have both syslog and kernellog11:55
gnomefreakwindshear: anything that looks like a warning?11:55
gnomefreakor error11:55
windshearhm, no11:58
windsheari have only a kern.log, no kernellog12:00
gnomefreakwindshear: try filing a bug or ask in #kubuntu this is not a support channel12:00
gnomefreakkern.log is the one i meant12:00
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windshearand a faillog, but its unreadable, just contains dots12:01
windshearok, in what section should i file the bug12:02
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gnomefreakwindshear: dont put on just use the idont know12:06

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