[12:18] <Tm_T> ehh
[12:18] <Tm_T> kate crashes when I click the text
[12:19] <Tm_T> has something to do with that line hinting
[12:21] <nixternal> 3.5.5 ey?
[12:22] <Tm_T> yes
[12:22] <nixternal> ya, i think tonio has a fix ready for it
[12:22] <Tm_T> ah I see
[12:23] <Tm_T> weird that didn't happen before I started play with colours
[12:23] <nixternal> ya, he warned before upgrading yesterday..that is how i knew the kde version
[12:24] <Tm_T> =)
[12:29] <sebas> Tm_T: Did you make a package of serenity?
[12:29] <Tm_T> sebas: nope
[12:29] <sebas> Bummer :)
[12:30] <Tm_T> sebas: why you ask? afraid to compile/make package yourself?
[12:30] <sebas> Exactly
[12:30] <sebas> I feel that I've screwed enough already
[12:30] <Tm_T> I could do package for some testers but no way I take any responsibility of it =)
[12:30] <sebas> Things kinda work now
[12:30] <sebas> I would blame someone else if you do, deal? :)
[12:30] <Tm_T> =)
[12:31] <Tm_T> sebas: just compile and install it, it's plain simple
[12:31] <sebas> I've probably all the -dev crap installed anyway, yes.
[12:34] <gnomefreak> imbrandon_: seems to work here i removed and installed k-d-s and ran sudo update-initramfs -u and still have ubuntu splash
[12:35] <nixternal> heh, you know what i find annoying...the fact my monitor goes into power saving mode, and my screensaver starts...and both of these are unchecked, so that they don't happen
[12:35] <sebas> nixternal: Might be my fault.
[12:35] <nixternal> it has been doing it since the first day i downloaded edgy..well the screensaver just started ;)
[12:36] <nixternal> i don't know why it is annoying...as it happens when i am using the other computrer anyways ;)
[12:37] <sebas> displayconfig might manipulate your dpms setting.
[12:38] <sebas> It does not touch the screensaver, however.
[12:38] <sebas> That could be powermanager doing so
[12:38] <sebas> ~/.kde/share/config/displayconfigrc
[12:38] <sebas> Is there something DPMS related in there?
[12:38] <nixternal> lemme look
[12:39] <nixternal> dpmsEnabled=off
[12:39] <nixternal> dpmsSeconds=18000
[12:39] <sebas> Hm, that looks fine.
[12:40] <nixternal> 18000 = 5 hours...which is what displayconfig shows, and it is off there, but it still shuts the monitor down
[12:40] <sebas> Can you check the actual dpms setting with xset ?
[12:40] <sebas> xset q
[12:41] <nixternal> DPMS (Energy Star):
[12:41] <nixternal>   Standby: 30928    Suspend: 30928    Off: 30928
[12:41] <nixternal>   DPMS is Disabled
[12:42] <sebas> Looks sane from a "bug in displayconfig" point of view.
[12:42] <sebas> Does displayconfig-restore switch on dpms?
[12:42] <nixternal> i wonder if it is a bug, or if during an upgrade something went silly
[12:42] <nixternal> hmm..let me try
[12:42] <sebas> (It should not with your settings)
[12:43] <nixternal> no, it didn't change it
[12:43] <sebas> Hm, good.
[12:43] <sebas> Then it's probably something else
[12:44] <sebas> In the meantime I've had a look at powermanager, I don't think it switches on kscreensaver
[12:44] <sebas> it only sets it to blankonly when on battery
[12:44] <nixternal> ya, i just got a great white X on a blacked out background
[12:44] <sebas> Ouch.
[01:22] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/tmp/x.jpg
[01:22] <nixternal> it isn't a screensaver..i thought it was
[01:23] <nixternal> it is a broken something or other ;)
[01:32] <claydoh> sweet, never considered putting stickers on my monitor, now I have a spot for mine :)
[01:33] <nixternal> lol
[01:34] <nixternal> i guess you are anti-gotta-make-some-money
[01:34] <nixternal> ;)
[01:34] <claydoh> no
[01:34] <claydoh> just don't like stickers on stuff mostly :)
[01:34] <claydoh> the mrs on the other hand....
[01:35] <nixternal> ya me either..but stickers on my puters, monitors, and lappies are a must...its my way of advertising
[01:35] <claydoh> bumper stickers, window decals, vanity plates, door magnets
[01:35] <nixternal> lol
[01:36] <claydoh> well if i had a lappy, id probably put one, not too big or not too small
[01:36] <nixternal> bumper stickers on the bumpter == no for me..but a small decal  for the window i will do
[01:37] <claydoh> but she is advertizing dog agility and flyball, so I have to deal with the dog-mobile
[01:37] <nixternal> heh...gnome is junk...i am copying over some files, from ~/downloads to ~/downloads/tmp using the File Browser, and it crashes...the Bug Reporting Tool, aka Bug Buddy pops up for DC/DVD Copying
[01:38] <claydoh> heh
[01:38] <claydoh> I have not installed gnome in a while
[01:39] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:39] <nixternal> no wonder gnome has more "bug duplication" than anyother bug monitoring suite...you fill out that info and it creates a bug report
[01:40] <nixternal> well...i am running edubuntu on another setup for testing as well
[01:40] <nixternal> edubuntu should be KDE anyways
[01:40] <nixternal> more than 75% of the packages are KDE Edu i think
[01:53] <orkid__> flyball?
[02:16] <claydoh> orkid__: http://www.flyballdogs.com/, and the team: http://www.flyballdogs.com/flyball_maineiacs/
[02:22] <orkid__> ic
[02:36] <claydoh> ooooh 
[07:29] <nixternal> konversation 1.0.1 is out - bug fixer upper
[07:42] <Hobbsee> hey all
[07:44] <orkid__> hi
[08:33] <sivang> morning all
[08:33] <DaSkreech> hi
[08:34] <freeflying> sivang: hey
[08:34] <sivang> hey dudes
[08:35] <DaSkreech> sivang: Have I met you before?
[08:36] <sivang> DaSkreech: I'm not sure, do you recall where? :)
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Here? :)
[08:38] <sivang> DaSkreech: probably, but I've only been logged in the channel for long recently, I'm exploting the Kubuntu grounds ;)
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Is that like postploting? :)
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hey sivang 
[08:40] <sivang> hi Hobbsee !
[08:40] <sivang> DaSkreech: I would know, if I had known what postploting is :-)
[08:41] <sivang> ah crap, right
[08:41] <sivang> "I'm *Exploring* Kubuntu grounds"
[08:41] <sivang> DaSkreech: ^^
[08:41] <sivang> :)
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Ahhhh :)
[08:41] <DaSkreech> Welkome.
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Edgy?
[08:43] <DaSkreech> Mann no Kiwii
[08:43] <DaSkreech> He almost got one of my friends (who is a Kard karrying KDE hater) tio use Kubuntu 
[08:45] <sivang> DaSkreech: who did?
[08:45] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Is there a plan to have systemm mesages show(able) for the new splash
[08:46] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: no idea.  i think the plan is to have it quiet
[08:46] <DaSkreech> sivang: Ken He's doing the artwork for the new Kubuntu
[08:46] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: It's distracting :(
[08:47] <DaSkreech> I find myself staring at it every time wondering if something is going to fail or wondering if it has failed arleady
[08:49] <sivang> DaSkreech: ah right, Ken, I met him over the last UDS :)
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Mucho respect for him :)
[08:51] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Well guess I'll register a mild protest Monday
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:51] <Hobbsee> s/it/in
[08:56] <DaSkreech> Which fix?
[08:59] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: the bug makes all toshiba notebooks unbootable in normal mode from the -8 and up kernels.
[08:59] <DaSkreech> Ah A big with pinchers
[09:01] <mhb> morning
[09:01] <DaSkreech> Bug even
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hey mhb 
[09:06] <DaSkreech> Why isn't Xen in Edgy?
[09:06] <Hobbsee> it should be there
[09:06] <Hobbsee> !find xen edgy
[09:06] <ubotu> Found: gtk-engines-xenophilia, libc6-xen, libexene-smlnj, libjaxen-java, libroxen-123session (and 107 others)
[09:06] <Hobbsee> !xen
[09:06] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Oh I menat on by default
[09:07] <Hobbsee> it's there
[09:07] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: think about it.  
[09:07] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: cd space
[09:07] <Hobbsee> for a start
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Right one Cd Distro :-(
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Knoppix has been cussing about that since pre 4.0 :)
[09:08] <mhb> there's a installation dvd as well, isn't it?
[09:09] <imbrandon> mhb, sure but its the same install as the cd ( just has a few extra packages on the dvd but not installed )
[09:09] <DaSkreech> Yeah but not all people have a DVD
[09:10] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, that is a weak argument, the lowend systems ( less than $500 ) sold 3 years ago have dvd players
[09:10] <imbrandon> bah
[09:22] <mhb> hmm, upgrading Dapper->Edgy is still a pain :oI
[09:25] <freeflying> mhb: why?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> mhb: hehe, thought it might be.  what are the errors?
[09:31] <mhb> some locale trouble, then krita needed a krita-base package which wasn't installed, then /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc was created in Dapper by a script and in Edgy it's provided in the package (or so the apt said)
[09:31] <mhb> I'm still waiting for the kubuntu-desktop to install :o) it takes more time in a VM
[09:46] <Hobbsee> gah.  
[09:46] <Hobbsee> my laptop's hitting 75C and i'm just browsing the web!
[11:04] <Riddell> _Sime: do it!
[11:14] <sivang> hey Riddell , what's up?
[11:16] <imbrandon> woot , http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25950/
[11:18] <_Sime> Riddell: are the nVidia drivers in order in edgy?
[11:26] <Riddell> _Sime: no idea I'm afraid
[11:26] <Riddell> sivang: we're just trying to wake sladen up to get him to meeting on tim
[11:26] <Riddell> time
[11:28] <_Sime> Riddell: I might upgrade sometime this week while I'm at work, and when Debbie doesn't need anything being served from my computer...
[11:33] <sivang> Riddell: heh
[11:33] <sivang> Riddell: kubuntu meetin I suppose?
[11:40] <freeflying> Riddell: I can't reproduce a bug, and many others can't too, shall I reject it, but the reporter insist that he can reproduce
[11:42] <\sh> freeflying: which one? :)
[11:43] <freeflying> \sh: malone #35760
[11:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35760 in scim-qtimm "Only 1 konsole session with transparency" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35760
[11:47] <mhb> freeflying: that means there is something he forgot to mention
[11:47] <mhb> freeflying: IMHo
[11:49] <freeflying> seems \sh use de's locale
[11:49] <freeflying> \sh: do you use de's locale?
[11:49] <\sh> or his default profile is not set to transparent and his settings are not working
[11:49] <\sh> I'll try to reproduce
[11:49] <freeflying> \sh: thanks
[11:51] <freeflying> sorry, that guy use da_DK, so anyone here use this? thanks
[11:52] <mhb> freeflying: it's not that hard to install it, is it?
[11:53] <freeflying> mhb: sure  :)
[11:54] <mhb> freeflying: I'll take a look
[11:55] <\sh> hmmm
[11:55] <freeflying> mhb: thanks
[11:56] <\sh> hmmm
[11:56] <\sh> I set one scheme to transparent
[11:56] <\sh> saved it as "shell" default (which is my default) 
[11:56] <\sh> restared console, first shell is transparent, second is black
[11:57] <mhb> same by me
[11:57] <freeflying> \sh: actrually, when he use da_DK locale, scim stuffs will not be loaded
[11:57] <mhb> first one transparent, second one black
[11:57] <Tm_T> mooh, also, if you start konsole, tabbar isn't showing even when it's set to
[11:57] <\sh> freeflying: i think for de_DE it won't be loaded as well
[11:57] <Tm_T> until you play back and forth those settings
[11:58] <\sh> freeflying: at least I don't see any scim/skim icon in my panel
[11:58] <freeflying> \sh: sure :)
[11:59] <\sh> I think it's more a konsole bug then scim/skim foo
[12:33] <silver_hook> Hi, I have a slight problem - I need to know (for an article in TUX) how to install Kopete 0.12.1 (or newer) in Kubuntu with Adept ...and I'm a Gentoo user (and they don't want to hear about compiling :P)
[12:38] <fdoving> silver_hook: hmm.. there is http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/  but i think it's 0.12.0
[12:40] <fdoving> hah. found it. imbrandon made some dapper packages.
[12:40] <fdoving> http://imbrandon.com/packages/pool/dapper/kopete/
[12:41] <silver_hook> fdoving: thanks :)
[12:42] <silver_hook> Is this then done in Adapt? The TUX editors are awfully strict when it comes to complete noobie-friendliness :S
[12:42] <fdoving> ok, hang on then.
[12:42] <fdoving> i'll explain how i would do it.
[12:43] <silver_hook> thanks :)
[12:51] <mhb> Is a question from apt-get while upgrading considered as a bug?
[12:51] <Jucato> mhb: depends on what question, I guess?
[12:52] <mhb> apt-get says during Dapper->Edgy upgrade that the file /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc was created by a script (or by me) but is present in package libqt3-mt so it expects me to choose an action
[12:52] <mhb> if I did that through Adept that would mean the installation would stop
[12:53] <mhb> and you would have to then open "Show Details" and choose (N is without problems here)
[12:53] <Jucato> mhb: not really. it would just "seem" to stop, but if you click on "Show Details" you'll see the same prompt/question
[12:53] <Jucato> er... yeah :)
[12:53] <fdoving> silver_hook: ok, open adept manager (kmenu -> system -> adept manager)
[12:53] <Jucato> it's the same as Synaptic, though
[12:54] <mhb> Jucato: yep, but do you think we cannot avoid it by "fixing" the file in the package ?
[12:55] <fdoving> silver_hook: actually, you might be better off with this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:55] <silver_hook> fdoving: you just keep talking - i'm on Gentoo, I just need to know and write how to do it :S
[12:55] <silver_hook> fdoving: thanks, will do :)
[12:55] <fdoving> silver_hook: or, rarther https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu#head-9a7a4519857af012ff775e9c0f15fbce60173676
[12:55] <Jucato> mhb: I wouldn't really know. There are times when APT really needs to asks questions, like when kdm is being upgraded. I don't think "fixing" would be appropriate in that sense
[12:56] <fdoving> silver_hook: just replace "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main" with "deb http://imbrandon.com/packages dapper kopete"
[12:56] <silver_hook> fdoving: thanks again :)
[12:56] <fdoving> silver_hook: that should be about it.
[12:57] <mhb> Jucato: yes, the bad thing is that the user won't notice it until he opens the details
[12:57] <Jucato> mhb: yeah. it's the same with Synaptic actually
[12:57] <Jucato> I think a better solution would probably to have Adept automatically show the details when user confirmation is needed.
[01:00] <mhb> Jucato: keeping the old configuration file won't do any harm either (in this case)
[01:03] <fdoving> hmm.. adept -> manage repositories doesnt't work on edgy.. 
[01:03] <mhb> fdoving: sadly
[01:04] <fdoving> that's a regression from dapper.
[01:04] <mhb> fdoving: kde 133388
[01:04] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 133388 in general "Manage Repositories is disabled" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133388
[01:04] <Jucato> regression from dapper?
[01:04] <fdoving> i found it.
[01:05] <mhb> fdoving: IIRC Jonathan said he'll look at it
[01:06] <fdoving> good.. i'm getting nervous about this..  :|
[01:07] <fdoving> prism2_usb module missing, adept manage repositores doesn't work, apt-index-watcher eats 100% cpu sometimes.. etc.
[01:08] <Jucato> fdoving: still loving adept? :)
[01:08] <Jucato> but seriously, adept really needs *a lot* of loving
[01:08] <fdoving> Jucato: i (almost) never use it.
[01:08] <Jucato> ok, s/love/like
[01:08] <mhb> Jucato: +1 and I think everyone know that :o)
[01:08] <fdoving> i've used apt-get for almost 5 years, can't even get myself to start using aptitude.
[01:09] <Jucato> heh
[01:27] <Hobbsee> mhb: kubuntu finished installing yet?
[01:28] <mhb> Hobbsee: yes, in a way
[01:28] <Hobbsee> mhb: how much damage?
[01:28] <mhb> Hobbsee: I upgraded and added kubuntu-desktop
[01:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: right, yep
[01:29] <mhb> Hobbsee: then I restarted and now I'm left with a black screen when X should start
[01:29] <Hobbsee> mhb: what brand is the laptop?
[01:29] <mhb> Hobbsee: it's a virtual machine
[01:29] <Hobbsee> true that
[01:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: boot in it's recovery mode, and grab /var/log/syslog?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> and pastebin it somewhere?
[01:31] <mhb> Hobbsee: right away
[01:31] <Hobbsee> mhb: sounds good
[01:33] <mhb> hmm, recovery mode booted fine, seems it's some X trouble
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ping?
[01:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: pong
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: type /sysinfo ?
[01:34] <Jucato> Sysinfo for 'ark': Linux 2.6.15-27-k7 running KDE 3.5.4, CPU: AMD Sempron 2200+ at 1500 MHz (3003 bogomips), HD: 26/73GB, RAM: 577/1010MB, 114 proc's, 1.29h up
[01:34] <Jucato> I'm on Dapper
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: how do you feel like testing 3.5.5 for us?  on dapper?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think you're the first dapper tester we've got for this
[01:35] <Jucato> er... right now?
[01:35] <Jucato> I'd hate to turn you down... but probably tomorrow afternoon?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: want to add "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ dapper main" to your sources list, so that you can get it the next time you update anyway?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> that way neither you or i cant forget :)
[01:36] <Hobbsee> s/cant/can/
[01:36] <Jucato> don't worry, I have really planned to try out 3.5.5
[01:36] <mhb> Hobbsee: ultra-weird, booted fine with recovery mode, even "kdm" worked
[01:37] <Jucato> (actually to use it only after it's been announced, but what the heck :P)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> mhb: pastebin the dodgy syslog somewhere :)
[01:37] <Jucato> !pastebin
[01:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: testing asap so we find the bugs quickly before the official release of it would be good.  we've already found some in the edgy edition
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and you're one of the few people who are still running dapper regularly in here. :)
[01:39] <Jucato> hah!
[01:39] <Hobbsee> i'm serious :)
[01:39] <Jucato> well, it's not as if you're going to fix it if there are bugs :P
[01:40] <Jucato> j/k of course
[01:40] <Jucato> yes I'll definitely try it out tomorrow. right now, my sister is bugging me on transferring her files from my PC to her laptop...
[01:40] <Jucato> and I have no idea how to do it...
[01:40] <Hobbsee> okay.  you might want to add the repo now anyway
[01:40] <Jucato> (she's on XP)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> er....good point
[01:41] <Hobbsee> you'll have to share your drive, then access it from hers
[01:41] <Hobbsee> oh, wait.  you can share hers via samba
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and then just copy the files over
[01:41] <Hobbsee> as long as you dont try to modify them, iirc
[01:41] <Jucato> Hobbsee: the files are quite huge....
[01:42] <Jucato> it stalls when I'm copying
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: idiot question warning:  there's enough space?  and are you trying to copy via wifi or wired?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ie, ethernet or something?
[01:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee: wired ethernet 10/100mbps. of course there's enough space (brand new laptop :P)
[01:44] <Jucato> I'm a complete networking noob so I don't know if I'm doing things right anyway lol
[01:44] <Hobbsee> weird, i wonder why they freeze...
[01:44] <Jucato> Hobbsee: what's the ethernet speed?
[01:45] <Jucato> silver_hook: could you please turn off the /away message?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: dont remember.  something like that
[01:45] <Jucato> er... ok... well, my situation is a bit more complicated than it seems..
[01:45] <mhb> Hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25964/ current syslog
[01:45] <Jucato> XP is connected to Linux via just a multi-port modem (not sure if it's a router), using IP masquerading
[01:50] <Hobbsee> mhb: hmmm.  i dont know sorry.  i'm not good at reading them
[01:55] <silver_hook> Jucato: sorry, didn't know it was against chan policy
[01:55] <Jucato> I thought you got fdoving's message earlier. 
[01:55] <Jucato> !away
[01:55] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[01:57] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: it is amongst all *ubuntu* related channels :)
[01:57] <silver_hook> Hobbsee: not being an ubuntu user, i wouldn't know ..but still, sorry , won't happen again
[01:57] <Jucato> :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: ahhhhhh :)  where do you fit?
[01:57] <silver_hook> gentoo
[01:58] <Hobbsee> right :)
[01:58] <silver_hook> i'm on ubuntu because of "official" business ;)
[01:58] <silver_hook> hehe
[01:58] <Jucato> TUX business
[01:58] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: ooh.  can i ask what sort?
[01:58] <Jucato> er.. noobish question... how can I know the local IP of my Linux box? (trying vsftpd)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ifconfig, usually
[01:59] <silver_hook> yea, not only do the favour KDE (which i'm ok with), but also Ubuntu ...so I have to write in my articles how to install stuff in ubuntu ..i'm having problems with telling them how to install kopete-0.12.1 
[01:59] <silver_hook> anyway ..i'm off ironing for an hour or so
[02:00] <Jucato> Hobbsee: which one? eth0's entry is indecipherable, lo is 127.0.0.1, and ppp0 changes everytime I reconnect/reboot
[02:01] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: in dapper?  enable the backports.
[02:01] <Hobbsee> in edgy, kopete 0.12.2 is there
[02:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee: err.. not yet
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh.
[02:02] <Jucato> you better poke someone :P
[02:03] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: say "backports is still a work in progress.  that's where the updated packages are, but they arent supported by cannonical, the same way that main or universe is.  the latest is in edgy.  0.12.3 doesnt contain security fixes, and those are the only things being updated in dapper apart from backports"
[02:03] <Hobbsee> or something to that effect
[02:03] <Hobbsee> bug 64225
[02:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64225 in f-spot "F-spot" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64225
[02:04] <mhb> sorry, I had a little accident here :o)
[02:06] <mhb> I'll come back later when my laptop is available again ... cya
[02:06] <silver_hook> Hobbsee: don't worry ..imbrandon's on the case 
[02:06] <Hobbsee> silver_hook: ahh, right, so i wont do the yelling.
[02:17] <Hobbsee> !seen jk*
[02:17] <Hobbsee> gah.  what's his nick?
[02:17] <Jucato> ?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i spoke with a guy a couple of weeks or so ago, but lost a lot of my logs
[02:19] <Jucato> oh..
[02:20] <Jucato> Hobbsee: good thing you asked me to test KDE 3.5.5 now. I was planning to reformat :P
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> i didnt think it was that unstable, myself
[02:21] <Hobbsee> unlike kde 3.5.0 beta2
[02:21] <Jucato> or as buggy as KDE 3.5.4? :)
[02:22] <Jucato> but I'm not sure if my system is a good testing ground... but then again, the only thing I've installed from source is kdissert :P
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh
[02:23] <Hobbsee> i didnt see too many bugs in 3.5.4
[02:23] <Jucato> kpersonalizer, hal, system settings, anti-aliasing, just to name a few
[02:24] <Jucato> that and you had to actually dist-upgrade rather than just upgrade to 3.5.4?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> you did anyway
[02:24] <Hobbsee> you usually do
[02:24] <Hobbsee> good point
[02:25] <Jucato> well the previous updates didn't need a dist-upgrade. only 3.5.4 because kdelibs4-bin needs to be removed
[02:25] <fdoving> are there ppc debs for 3.5.5 ? 
[02:27] <Jucato> oh, where did you guys hide the docs for the "Documentation" tab in Quanta? (PHP, CSS, HTML, DocBook, etc?)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> fdoving: not that i know of.  i'm not sure, to be honest
[02:29] <Jucato> fdoving: seems like there are ppc debs
[02:30] <fdoving> Jucato: nice, then i'll try them, thanks for checking (i'm getting lazy, i know) :)
[02:31] <Jucato> :p
[03:02] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian 
[03:02] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:03] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[03:03] <Jucato> ugh this is hopeless!!
[03:04] <bddebian> Heya Jucato
[03:38] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: meh, it's now reverted ;)
[03:38] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hmmm?
[03:39] <Tm_T> that fix I committed
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: heh.  ohhh...
[03:39] <Hobbsee> oops
[03:39] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:39] <Hobbsee> i see nwo
[03:39] <Tm_T> oh well, better luck next time =)
[03:39] <Tm_T> more coffee ->
[03:39] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:39] <Hobbsee> heh, okay
[03:40] <Hobbsee> night all!
[03:40] <Jucato> night Hobbsee
[03:47] <Hobbsee> or, almost
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hehe, i'm getting talked to in #kde-devel.  scary
[03:47] <Tm_T> cheater
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, well
[03:50] <Hobbsee> they're not telling me off, suprisingly
[04:28] <Jucato> just a question about repositories. if, for example, I have the online repositories enabled and also the cdrom repository enabled, but I don't have an internet connection, will there be some problems or will APT be smart enough to ignore the online repos and install from the cdrom?
[04:30] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[04:31] <Enola_Gay> Is the Firefox 2.0 restore session issue known?
[04:32] <Enola_Gay> Firefox things that every kde session logout was a crash and shows a message on next boot/login if session should restored or a new started.
[04:33] <Enola_Gay> It seems to have problems with the kde session manager.
[04:37] <Jucato> Enola_Gay: I'm not sure but I found this in Launchpad: bug 60147 sounds similar to what you're saying
[04:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60147 in xfce4-session "saved firefox resumes as if crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60147
[04:38] <Hawkwind> Enola_Gay: I can confirm that as well.  It's happened since I installed Edgy in a vmware session and everytime I logout or even shutdown the system with firefox open it does that.  However, it does that using TabMixPlus in firefox 1.5.0.7 in Dapper as well
[04:41] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: thx
[04:43] <Enola_Gay> Jucato: yes, you are right, but KDE session manager seems to have the same problem. Should it be reported separately or not?
[04:46] <Hawkwind> Enola_Gay: I just replied to the bug myself.  You should/could do the same thing
[04:57] <Enola_Gay> Hawkwind: ok, added a comment. I think it should be assigned to Firefox instead.
[04:58] <Hawkwind> Enola_Gay: You can assign it to them too if you want
[05:05] <Enola_Gay> Hawkwind: no, it is not my bugreport and maybe the poster doesn't want it. He could do it if he agrees.
[05:27] <Tonio__> hi all
[05:27] <Tonio__> Riddell: ping ?
[05:28] <Jucato> hi Tonio_
[05:29] <Tonio_> hi Jucato
[05:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon: you didn't commit your kds changes in bzr...
[05:29] <Tonio_> imbrandon you really should since your changes will be overwritten by next update
[05:31] <Enola_Gay> ciao
[05:59] <Tm_T> hmm, weird
[05:59] <Tm_T> almost like kdesu was in finnish when all my settings are pointing to en_GB
[06:00] <Tm_T> time to reboot, my bluetooth is gone wild ->
[07:07] <mhb> sebas: I think the bug you mentioned in the ML is the kde 135045 which has been resolved (don't know if somebody told you already)
[07:07] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135045 in general "Crash on various occasions" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135045
[07:44] <Riddell> ton
[07:44] <Riddell> 
[07:52] <mhb> quiet here today
[07:57] <Riddell> that's because I hve the worst internet ever
[07:59] <imbrandon> Riddell, heh
[07:59] <mhb> well I spilled water all over my laptop keyboard ... had to dry it all afternoon
[07:59] <mhb> today's a bad day :o)
[08:02] <imbrandon> i got all the cross compilers to work , now i'm working on getting pbuilder to build packages for other arches
[08:03] <imbrandon> i can compile binarys for other arches now , so thats 50% ;)
[08:05] <mhb> Riddell: I wanted to ask you - is a question from apt-get worth reporting/fixing?
[08:05] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[08:05] <Riddell> mhb: depends on what question
[08:05] <Riddell> hi Enola_Gay 
[08:05] <Enola_Gay> Multimedia key recognition works great in KDE Edgy
[08:05] <Enola_Gay> hi Riddell
[08:05] <imbrandon> heya Enola_Gay
[08:06] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: excellent to hear, what type of laptop?
[08:06] <imbrandon> Riddell, i thought you had a great connection
[08:06] <Enola_Gay> Don't know how you made this but the play/pause key only starts tracks but not pauses it. It is just cosmetic but it helps a lot with amarok :)
[08:06] <Enola_Gay> hi imbrandon
[08:06] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: Sony TX2
[08:07] <imbrandon> oh wow Riddell i just checked my MM keyboard on the desktop it works now too, no idea when it started but it dident in dapper
[08:07] <Enola_Gay> Stop, Next and Previous work fine and play too but play forgets to pause if a track is played :)
[08:07] <imbrandon> heh
[08:07] <mhb> Riddell: to be exact - a configuration file /etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc was generated by script ( = not removed) but the Edgy package includes it ... the "keep the current version" question from apt-get
[08:08] <mhb> Riddell: no trouble pressing Enter and moving on but you know how Adept handles apt-get questions
[08:14] <mhb> Riddell: I guess it depends on how hard it is to "fix" this
[08:16] <Tm_T> this is weird, kdesu is partly finnish
[08:17] <imbrandon> heya el
[08:17] <Riddell> mhb: hmm, I wonder which cript generated that
[08:18] <el> hey imbrandon , hey Riddell 
[08:18] <mhb> Riddell: it says either made by a script or modified by me but I obviously didn't modify it (it was a testing installation, I just installed&upgraded)
[08:18] <imbrandon> mhb, yea i noticed that on upgrade too
[08:21] <Enola_Gay> Ok, I have redefined the keycode with xmodmap and call playPause with input actions. Works without problems. :)
[08:22] <Enola_Gay> I would suggest Edgy for LTS :)
[08:24] <mhb> Enola_Gay: rather not :o)
[08:24] <mhb> Enola_Gay: there are edges, even if you don't see them
[08:25] <Enola_Gay> mhb: hm, I have only one annoying bug and if I remember Dapper four weeks before release :)
[08:26] <Enola_Gay> mhb: Dapper still can't scale cpu on many laptops ...
[08:26] <Enola_Gay> But who cares, I love my Edgy ;)
[08:29] <Enola_Gay> and I use only a little part of the whole feature set so there may be huge differences.
[08:46] <Enola_Gay> cu all
[08:46] <imbrandon> Riddell, i do have to say kmail is MUCH more solid in 3.5.5 i havent had one segfault yet ( and it was a normal thing )
[08:47] <imbrandon> any word on the UVF or do we have to wait for mondayish
[08:52] <fdoving> Riddell: any plans on building 3.5.5 for ppc on kubuntu.org ? 
[08:53] <imbrandon> fdoving, i have it about 1/2 built on my lappy but i stoped when he said we might get a uvf
[08:54] <fdoving> imbrandon, ah.. ok.
[08:54] <fdoving> i could build on my laptop too. but if we get a uvf it would rock.
[08:55] <imbrandon> yea, thats kinda what i said, becouse i thought i could do it in an afternoon on the laptop but its quite slow
[08:55] <imbrandon> so it took almost 24hours just to do half
[08:55] <imbrandon> heh
[08:56] <imbrandon> thats one reason i'm on my cross-compiler quest
[08:56] <imbrandon> well i got the cross compiler to work , just working on the cross packaging now
[08:56] <fdoving> i just googled 'corosscompiling ppc i386' :)
[08:57] <imbrandon> i can set you up for cross compiling easy, but it wont make deb's just compile/link
[08:57] <imbrandon> etc
[08:57] <imbrandon> that hard part is the cross packaging it seems
[08:57] <fdoving> can't be that hard. 
[09:05] <fdoving> imbrandon: what do you use to cross compile? 
[09:06] <windshear> anyone also axperience this problem: if I shut down or sestart my pc edgy hangs at the point the progress bar appears
[09:06] <windshear> if i press reset then, the next time it works
[09:07] <windshear> quite strange...
[09:07] <windshear> is there any log?
[09:07] <imbrandon> gcc
[09:07] <imbrandon> one sec
[09:08] <imbrandon> fdoving, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25950/
[09:08] <fdoving> thanks.
[09:09] <imbrandon> windshear, not sure, but you can remove "quite splash" from the kernel options to watch it next time
[09:10] <imbrandon> fdoving, are you on i386 ? i have powerpc gcc packages
[09:10] <imbrandon> and the required deps
[09:10] <fdoving> imbrandon, some info on debian cross-building at the bottom here: http://meltin.net/hacks/linux/crossbuild.html
[09:10] <imbrandon> to save you some compileing , like i said it wont package them ( yet ) but it compiles ;)
[09:10] <fdoving> imbrandon, i have a i386 workstation i would like to make ppc packages on.
[09:12] <imbrandon> fdoving, oh wow, thats got the last step i need in it
[09:12] <fdoving> imbrandon, did you say you have powerpc gcc packages for i386? 
[09:13] <imbrandon> fdoving, yes
[09:13] <imbrandon> and the required deps
[09:13] <imbrandon> i just havent setup pbuilder to use those yet
[09:13] <windshear> imbrandon how do i remove the quite splash option?=
[09:13] <fdoving> are they online somehwer? 
[09:13] <imbrandon> windshear, edit /boot/grub/menu.list
[09:13] <imbrandon> fdoving, no but i can upload them
[09:13] <windshear> ok, will try
[09:14] <fdoving> imbrandon, would be great :)
[09:14] <imbrandon> fdoving, actualy yea they are online, one sec
[09:15] <imbrandon> fdoving, add "deb http://debian.speedblue.org ./" to sources.list and install "sudo apt-get install gcc-4.1-powerpc" it will grab the needed deps
[09:15] <fdoving> nice.
[09:15] <fdoving> thanks.
[09:16] <imbrandon> it installs it to /usr/powerpc/* so it wont fubar anything
[09:17] <imbrandon> fdoving, and i'm adapting the last setp from that url you gave me to get pbuilder to use it now, so here in a few i'll be able to make powerpc packages on my i386 , yay\o/
[09:17] <fdoving> nice :)
[09:18] <fdoving> is it fast? 
[09:18] <fdoving> the cross-compiling? 
[09:18] <imbrandon> same as normal compiling
[09:18] <imbrandon> for what ever machine your on
[09:18] <fdoving> nice.
[09:19] <imbrandon> also note there are many arch cross compilers there at that url
[09:19] <fdoving> so the 2.4Ghz P4 will be a bit faster than the ibook :)
[09:19] <imbrandon> here is a list http://debian.speedblue.org/
[09:19] <imbrandon> fdoving, my thoughts exactly
[09:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:19] <imbrandon> ohhh nice, i think i got it working
[09:19] <fdoving> great :)
[09:20] <imbrandon> time to build a test package and put it on the ibook
[09:20] <imbrandon> if it works i'll write a mini howto for start to finish
[09:20] <imbrandon> on my website
[09:22] <fdoving> dpbuilder (0.1-3) - Distributed pbuilder using tree and leader election
[09:22] <fdoving> from debian.speedblue.org
[09:22] <imbrandon> yea i tried that
[09:23] <imbrandon> its not what you would think
[09:23] <imbrandon> it still builds each package on one machine , its for rebuilding a whole pool
[09:23] <fdoving> just read that.. too bad.
[09:23] <fdoving> do you use ccache with pbuilder? 
[09:23] <imbrandon> yea
[09:23] <imbrandon> most of the time
[09:24] <imbrandon> actualy since i redid my build machine i havent setup ccache or distcc again
[09:25] <fdoving> did you try cowbuilder? 
[09:25] <fdoving> i have it running on my ibook, it's nicer to the disk than pbuilder.
[09:26] <imbrandon> nah never tried it
[09:26] <fdoving> http://xerakko.livejournal.com/8301.html
[09:48] <imbrandon> gah
[09:48] <imbrandon> i'm sooooo close
[09:52] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, to what ?
[09:53] <gnomefreak> im building GNU hello and when i run debuild -S -sa it errors cause it cant find my key
[09:54] <imbrandon> does it show your key when you run "gpg --list-keys"
[09:54] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:54] <imbrandon> and thats the exact email that you have listed in debain/changelog
[09:54] <imbrandon> to the byte
[09:55] <gnomefreak> yep
[09:55] <gnomefreak> oh wait
[09:55] <gnomefreak> let me look
[09:55] <fdoving> does dpkg-buildpackage -kkeyid work? 
[09:55] <imbrandon> fdoving, it would yes, but i bet its a matter of his changelog
[09:55] <fdoving> probably.
[09:55] <imbrandon> fdoving, becosue that would overide what the changelog has
[09:56] <gnomefreak> in the change log should i have the <emailo>
[09:56] <gnomefreak> or no <>
[09:56] <imbrandon>  -- Michael Vogt <michael.vogt@ubuntu.com>  Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:08:17 +0200
[09:56] <imbrandon> the email should be byte for byte your gpgkey
[09:56] <gnomefreak> -- John Vivirito <gnomefreak@gmail.com>  Fri,  6 Oct 2006 21:03:18 -0400
[09:56] <imbrandon> whats gpg --listkeys output ?
[09:57] <gnomefreak> John Vivirito (gnomefreak) <gnomefreak@gmail.com>
[09:57] <gnomefreak> i used --list-keys gnomefreak
[09:57] <imbrandon> try to build with " debuild -S -sa -kgnomefreak@gmail.com "
[09:58] <gnomefreak> k
[09:59] <imbrandon> if that works lemme know
[09:59] <gnomefreak> ok that worked
[09:59] <imbrandon> then you can make a file ~/.devscripts that contains DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-kgnomefreak@gmail.com"
[09:59] <imbrandon> and you wont have to put the -k everytime
[10:00] <gnomefreak> what would i use?
[10:00] <imbrandon> just debuild -S -sa
[10:00] <imbrandon> as normal
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ah
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ty :)
[10:00] <imbrandon> or debuild -S -sd , etc etc etc
[10:00] <imbrandon> what ever you are calling for
[10:00] <gnomefreak> ok and just the one line in the file?
[10:00] <imbrandon> yup
[10:02] <imbrandon> its also nice to set DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME in your ~/.bashrc for dch -i to use
[10:02] <imbrandon> if you want to know about that lemme know
[10:02] <gnomefreak> i have my key in my bashrc
[10:02] <imbrandon> not the key
[10:03] <imbrandon> the DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME so when you call dch -i it fills it in correctly
[10:03] <imbrandon> export DEBEMAIL=gnomefreak@gmail.com
[10:03] <gnomefreak> oh cool
[10:03] <imbrandon> and
[10:03] <imbrandon> then DEBFULLNAME='John sdfsd'
[10:03] <imbrandon> etc
[10:04] <imbrandon> then when you run dch -i on the changelog it does it right
[10:04] <gnomefreak> add them anywhere in ~/.bashrc?
[10:04] <imbrandon> ( but you have to start a new bash session for that to take effect
[10:04] <imbrandon> )
[10:04] <imbrandon> yea i normaly stick it way at the bottom
[10:04] <imbrandon> but anywhere works
[10:05] <gnomefreak> export DEBFULLNAME?
[10:05] <imbrandon> export DEBEMAIL=imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[10:05] <imbrandon> export DEBFULLNAME="Brandon Holtsclaw"
[10:05] <imbrandon> ^^ thats mine
[10:05] <imbrandon> then close konsole and reopen it to get a new bash session
[10:05] <gnomefreak> ty thats done :)
[10:06] <imbrandon> now when you use dch it will fill in the correct info
[10:06] <imbrandon> save a bit of time
[10:06] <imbrandon> saves*
[10:06] <gnomefreak> :) makes it a bit faster
[10:07] <gnomefreak> now to find another app to build since i cant upload this (its learning package)
[10:07] <imbrandon> heh
[10:07] <mhb> Riddell: please, inform me (later) if the apt-get question is worth filing as a bug or not (yes/no)
[10:09] <imbrandon> fdoving, ohhhh sooooo close http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26007/
[10:09] <imbrandon> got to be just something small i'm over looking
[10:10] <fdoving> libXext..
[10:11] <imbrandon> i have all the build deps afaik
[10:11] <fdoving> do you have libxext-dev ? 
[10:11] <imbrandon> yea
[10:12] <windshear_> ok i've removed the quet splash option from the kernel
[10:12] <imbrandon> brandon@horatio:~/devel/adept$ dpkg -l|grep libxext
[10:12] <imbrandon> ii  libxext-dev                                1.0.1-1ubuntu1                       X11 miscellaneous extensions library (develo
[10:12] <imbrandon> ii  libxext6                                   1.0.1-1ubuntu1                       X11 miscellaneous extension library
[10:12] <imbrandon> both installed
[10:12] <fdoving> then it should be there.
[10:12] <imbrandon> fdoving, i know heh
[10:12] <windshear_> i can now see that it hangs at usb 3-2: usb disconnect, adress 3
[10:12] <imbrandon> probably something with the search paths of the cross compiler
[10:13] <imbrandon> windshear_, would probably get more help in #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-devel ( durring the weekdays ) as its not kde specific
[10:13] <imbrandon> soo most of us dont handle that stuff
[10:14] <windshear_> its not kde related, its kernel related, it exists in ubuntu + kubuntu
[10:27] <imbrandon> gah 
[10:27] <fdoving> progress?
[10:27] <imbrandon> i wish i knew bash a bit better
[10:27] <imbrandon> yea 
[10:28] <imbrandon> but i need to mass rename a few files
[10:28] <fdoving> i have to setup a pbuilder on my i386 box before i can do anything.. 
[10:28] <imbrandon> any good as bash one liners ?
[10:28] <imbrandon> heh
[10:28] <fdoving> what do you need? 
[10:28] <imbrandon> ln -s powerpc-linux-* powerpc-linux-gnu-*
[10:29] <imbrandon> only that actualy does that
[10:29] <imbrandon> heh
[10:30] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: Why not use mmv ?
[10:30] <imbrandon> i dont want to move them
[10:30] <imbrandon> i want to link them
[10:30] <imbrandon> well symlink
[10:39] <gnomefreak> is there an easy to build kde app like gnuhello?
[10:41] <fdoving> imbrandon, like this: for i in powerpc-linux-*;do ln -s $i $(echo $i | sed s/linux/linux-gnu/);done
[10:41] <imbrandon> thanks
[10:42] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, not that i'm aware, but i'm sure there is
[10:42] <fdoving> can probably be done with some nifty ${i%} stuff as the second argument, but i cheated :)
[10:42] <imbrandon> fdoving, hehe long as it gets the job done ;)
[10:42] <imbrandon> man this has got to be a PATH issue but i cant fugure it out
[10:43] <imbrandon> seems to be the last step 
[10:43] <imbrandon> heh
[10:57] <fdoving> imbrandon,progress? 
[10:57] <imbrandon> slow but yea
[10:57] <imbrandon> this is day 6 or 7 on this 
[10:57] <imbrandon> heh
[10:58] <imbrandon> reading some man pages now for dpkg-cross
[10:58] <DaSkreech> booting Windows Vista?
[10:59] <DaSkreech> Well he said it was day 5 or 6 at it
[10:59] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, and that has to do with what ?
[10:59] <DaSkreech>  I just thought he might be trying Vista >_< :)
[11:00] <imbrandon> yea vista boots on my machine in like 5 minutes. still fail to see what that has to do with this channell as mhb said
[11:33] <_windshear_> hello
[11:33] <_windshear_> i have a very strange problem with 6.10
[11:33] <_windshear_> I'm only able to boot it every 2 nd time
[11:34] <mhb> _windshear_: what does happen when you won't boot it?
[11:34] <mhb> _windshear_: does the screen go black? when?
[11:35] <_windshear_> it freezes at the beginning of the progress bar. to find out why i removed the quite splash option from the kernel
[11:35] <gnomefreak> _windshear_: does it boot with the wuite option in the kernel boot parmetes?
[11:35] <gnomefreak> parameters*
[11:36] <_windshear_> it sometimes stops at ohci1394 fw-host 0
[11:36] <mhb> _windshear_: sounds like a hardware-related problem
[11:36] <_windshear_> and sometimes it hangs at usb 3-2 usb disconnect, address 3
[11:37] <_windshear_> mhb I don't have a problem with 6.06 nor with windows
[11:37] <_windshear_> so its not a hardware defect
[11:37] <mhb> _windshear_: still it might be some driver having trouble with the USB/FW
[11:37] <gnomefreak> _windshear_: you cant say that
[11:38] <gnomefreak> _windshear_: 6.10 is different than any other 
[11:38] <gnomefreak> for example upstart is now in edgy none of the others
[11:38] <gnomefreak> btw hint that may be a place to look
[11:38] <mhb> _windshear_: If you file a bug, don't forget to add a lot of information about your hardware and your motherboard etc
[11:39] <_windshear_> I can, everything works just fine, and if it woul be a hardware issue it would either happen randomly or everytime
[11:39] <mhb> _windshear_: it seems like the usb subsystem is having trouble
[11:39] <_windshear_> but in my case it is like this:
[11:39] <_windshear_> i start my pc, it hangs
[11:40] <_windshear_> i press reset, everything works
[11:40] <_windshear_> all usb devices work
[11:40] <gnomefreak> _windshear_: any crash logs in /var/crash?
[11:40] <gnomefreak> anything in /var/log/sys*
[11:40] <_windshear_> will check
[11:41] <gnomefreak> i think its sys
[11:41] <mhb> _windshear_: we can't help you here much since we're no kernel devs (and no bug hunters either)
[11:42] <gnomefreak> syslog and kernellog i would look in. i would file a bug and i will look at it and let you know what info is needed please give as much explantaion as you can
[11:54] <windshear> i have ayslog file
[11:55] <windshear> a syslog file
[11:55] <gnomefreak> windshear: you have both syslog and kernellog
[11:55] <gnomefreak> windshear: anything that looks like a warning?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> or error
[11:58] <windshear> hm, no
[12:00] <windshear> i have only a kern.log, no kernellog
[12:00] <gnomefreak> windshear: try filing a bug or ask in #kubuntu this is not a support channel
[12:00] <gnomefreak> kern.log is the one i meant
[12:01] <windshear> and a faillog, but its unreadable, just contains dots
[12:02] <windshear> ok, in what section should i file the bug
[12:06] <gnomefreak> windshear: dont put on just use the idont know
[12:09] <windshear> ok