[12:16] <gnomefreak> what is xrayswarm?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> apt-cache show doesnt have it
[12:17] <gnomefreak> it keeps crashing
[01:36] <joejaxx> Toadstool: are you around?
[01:50] <joejaxx> imbrandon: are you there?
[02:29] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: ! :)))
[02:29] <joejaxx> :) *
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hey joejaxx
[02:30] <joejaxx> hello
[02:30] <joejaxx> do you know about the update script in the ubuntu-meta package?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> no
[02:30] <joejaxx> oh ok
[02:30] <Hobbsee> i run kubuntu, not ubuntu
[02:30] <joejaxx> ok
[02:33] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: well do you know about seeds then?
[02:33] <joejaxx> the seed lists that is
[02:39] <joejaxx> is anyone around?
[02:41] <crimsun> it's the weekend; I wouldn't expect people to be particularly active, either.
[02:41] <joejaxx> oh ok
[02:41] <joejaxx> crimsun: well do you know about the seed lists?
[02:42] <crimsun> beyond what's in the packaging infrastructure? no.
[02:42] <crimsun> try to catch ogra or janimo later in the week
[02:43] <joejaxx> crimsun: well i just wanted to know why some packages are in parenthesis
[02:43] <joejaxx> because when i run the update script in the ubuntu-meta
[02:43] <joejaxx> those come up as Unknown desktop packages
[02:44] <joejaxx> like (bluez-utils)
[02:45] <lophyte> hey all
[02:47] <joejaxx> hello lophyte :)
[02:47] <lophyte> heya :)
[02:47] <lophyte> argh.. I was trying to install dapper on an old imac i was given.. but its frozen at 48%
[02:48] <lophyte> ...or not
[02:48] <lophyte> nevermind, lol
[02:49] <joejaxx> lol
[02:52] <lophyte> i've never played with a mac before
[02:52] <joejaxx> :)
[02:53] <lophyte> it was running OS 9.. so I said nevermind that and now I'm working on installing ubuntu, hehe
[02:54] <joejaxx> i have two g3's running dapper
[03:04] <joejaxx> lophyte: what are you up too
[03:05] <joejaxx> i think crimsun you and i are the only ones in here
[03:07] <lophyte> I just got ubuntu installed..
[03:07] <lophyte> except it appears that it didn't install X or gnome
[03:07] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:08] <joejaxx> hey it is ajmitch
[03:08] <joejaxx> lophyte: why whould it not install those?
[03:09] <lophyte> I don't know..
[03:09] <joejaxx> :\
[03:09] <ajmitch> because you installed from a server cd?
[03:09] <lophyte> but when it booted, I'm at the command line
[03:09] <joejaxx> ajmitch: do you know about the seed list?
[03:09] <joejaxx> lophyte: interesting
[03:09] <ajmitch> joejaxx: somewhat
[03:09] <joejaxx> ajmitch: well i am building the fluxbuntu-* meta packages
[03:09] <lophyte> and there's no sign of <x
[03:09] <lophyte> X
[03:09] <joejaxx> ajmitch: and i am making the fluxbuntu-meta one right now
[03:09] <lophyte> no, I used the alternate cd
[03:10] <ajmitch> lophyte: did you do a server install from the alternate cd?
[03:10] <lophyte> I don't think so
[03:10] <lophyte> but meh
[03:10] <joejaxx> ajmitch: the problem is the ubuntu-meta packaage grabs the depends for the ubuntu-* packages from the seeds list
[03:10] <lophyte> I'll just install ubuntu-desktop
[03:10] <ajmitch> joejaxx: yes
[03:10] <joejaxx> ajmitch: so i made my own seeds
[03:10] <lophyte> except it won't eject the cd drive
[03:10] <ajmitch> did you copy the existing seeds & modify them?
[03:11] <joejaxx> ajmitch: but since i have not made the fluxbuntu-* packages it comes up with things like this
[03:11] <joejaxx> ? Unknown desktop package: fluxbuntu-desktop
[03:11] <joejaxx> ajmitch: yes i did here http://seeds.fluxbuntu.net/edgy/
[03:12] <ajmitch> so if it's complaining about them, shouldn't you make those packages?
[03:12] <joejaxx> ajmitch: the fluxbuntu-meta packages makes then when i compile it
[03:12] <joejaxx> ajmitch: but inorder for those packages to build right with the dependencies it goes out to the seeds list to get them
[03:13] <lophyte> k, installing ubuntu-desktop
[03:13] <ajmitch> joejaxx: then try & remove it from the seeds list
[03:13] <joejaxx> ajmitch: http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=168
[03:13] <joejaxx> ajmitch: ok
[03:13] <joejaxx> oh alright
[03:14] <joejaxx> ajmitch: one other question i had is it is not recognizing packages that are on the real seeds like ? Unknown desktop package: (bluez-utils)
[03:16] <Toadstool> re
[03:16] <joejaxx> Toadstool: !!
[03:16] <joejaxx> :) :D
[03:16] <Toadstool> uhuh
[03:17] <joejaxx> Toadstool: http://seeds.fluxbuntu.net/edgy/
[03:17] <Toadstool> grat!
[03:17] <Toadstool> great even
[03:17] <joejaxx> Toadstool: one problem
[03:17] <joejaxx> or two
[03:18] <Toadstool> ah :)
[03:18] <joejaxx> ? Unknown standard package: fluxbuntu-standard
[03:18] <joejaxx> ? Unknown desktop package: hotkey-setup
[03:18] <joejaxx> hotkey-setup is even in the original seedlist
[03:20] <Toadstool> hmm, I have no idea of what those errors mean
[03:20] <Toadstool> take a look at the source code of germinate :)
[03:21] <joejaxx> ok
[03:22] <joejaxx> :\
[03:23] <Toadstool> huhu, I hate qwerty keyboards :p
[03:23] <joejaxx> lol
[03:23] <joejaxx> :P
[03:31] <joejaxx> Toadstool: do you atleast know why some packages on the seed lists are in parenthesis?
[03:32] <ajmitch> they're recommends, not depends
[03:33] <joejaxx> so i can take them out of the parenthesis?
[03:33] <joejaxx> because the update script is stopping on most of them
[03:33] <ajmitch> you may do what you want with them
[03:33] <ajmitch> are you using edgy tools to work on these?
[03:34] <joejaxx> i am on edgy
[03:36] <joejaxx> that is why i am wondering why the update script cannot find these packages that are in the reops
[03:36] <joejaxx> repos
[03:36] <lophyte> this thing is sllooow..
[03:36] <lophyte> 233MHz G3
[03:36] <ajmitch> lophyte: hah
[03:37] <ajmitch> not as slow as running windows vista in vmware
[03:37] <lophyte> hahaha
[03:37] <lophyte> not quite
[03:37] <joejaxx> hahaa
[03:37] <ajmitch> maybe vista needs more RAM.. :)
[03:41] <joejaxx> oh wow
[03:42] <joejaxx> i feel like any idiot
[03:42] <joejaxx> :\
[03:42] <joejaxx> ajmitch: some reason
[03:43] <joejaxx> Amaranth: when i do sudo apt-get source ubuntu-meta on edgy
[03:43] <joejaxx> it gets it from Need to get 19.3kB of source archives.
[03:43] <joejaxx> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main ubuntu-meta 0.120 (dsc) [558B] 
[03:43] <joejaxx> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main ubuntu-meta 0.120 (tar) [18.8kB] 
[03:43] <joejaxx> ajmitch: *
[03:43] <Toadstool> why sudo?! no need to be root to grab sources
[03:44] <ajmitch> so you have the wrong deb-src lines in there
[03:44] <joejaxx> no wonder it does not work
[03:45] <joejaxx> it says dapper everywhere
[03:45] <joejaxx> why is this?
[03:45] <joejaxx> i installed this from a edgy beta disk
[03:48] <joejaxx> it says edgy in some places in the source list
[03:49] <joejaxx> and dapper in others
[03:49] <joejaxx> bbl i have to fix this
[03:54] <joejaxx> well time to reinstall edgy
[03:54] <joejaxx> bbl
[04:15] <theCore> anyone knows what happened with Firefox spell-checking?
[04:21] <theCore> nevermind, I think I found the problem
[04:29] <bddebian> Damnit, I'm having a brainfart, how do I get DEB_HOST_ARCH_OS, etc?
[04:30] <theCore> I found it out, sorry the noise
[04:30] <crimsun> bddebian: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_OS
[04:31] <crimsun> $(shell ...) if you need it from debian/rules
[04:31] <bddebian> dpkg-architecture.. damnit, I kept trying dpkg --print-architecture..
[04:31] <bddebian> crimsun: thanks
[06:11] <LaserJock> must be Saturday night
[06:15] <bddebian> Well I guess it's technically Sunday morning here now :)
[06:17] <LaserJock> oh
[06:17] <LaserJock> I've got a few more hours
[06:19] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i am running the update script
[06:19] <joejaxx> from the seeds
[06:21] <theCore> yeah, Sunday morning started 20 min ago :)
[06:21] <joejaxx> yeah
[06:21] <theCore> I'm up for some late hacking
[06:22] <joejaxx> oh ok
[06:22] <LaserJock> only 9:22 pm  here
[06:22] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :)
[06:22] <theCore> I'm trying to do a web interface for importing code and unit test it
[06:22] <joejaxx> nice
[06:23] <theCore> I can't figure out how to make it secure enough :/
[06:23] <LaserJock> what does a unit test mean?
[06:24] <theCore> check if the program output is the expected one
[06:24] <bddebian> Gnight gents
[06:24] <joejaxx> Goodnight bddebian
[06:26] <TheMuso> It is well into Sunday afternoon here.
[06:26] <theCore> chroot, minimal language implementation, checking cpu/mem usage, what do I forget? ...
[06:26] <LaserJock> TheMuso: oh yeah, it still trips me up that you guys are *ahead*
[06:27] <TheMuso> hehe
[06:27] <LaserJock> theCore: so you give it something to chew on and compare it to an expected result?
[06:27] <theCore> TheMuso, pacific/Hawaii ?
[06:27] <theCore> LaserJock, yep
[06:28] <TheMuso> theCore: Sydney, Australia.
[06:28] <theCore> TheMuso, that's nice
[06:28] <theCore> TheMuso, I would like to go to Australia someday
[06:29] <LaserJock> except all the snakes and spiders and sharks
[06:29] <LaserJock> I watch to many nature show to feel comfortable with going to Australia ;-)
[06:29] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Its not that bad.
[06:30] <LaserJock> maybe NZ is better ;-)
[06:31] <theCore> I think I will build up a minimal distro for this project
[06:32] <theCore> with a dpkg/bzr/busybox/+{perl,python,ruby} tool set
[06:33] <theCore> it would certainly ease the maintenance
[06:36] <theCore> maybe I'm just doing too much for #ubuntu-trivia (my weekly quiz channel)
[06:37] <theCore> anyway, it's quite fun, and have nothing else to do
[06:37] <LaserJock> *cough* Packaging Guide *cough*
[06:37] <theCore> hehe
[06:37] <theCore> after
[06:37] <theCore> I'm taking notes, right now
[06:39] <theCore> LaserJock, talking about the PG, did saw the diff I sent?
[06:41] <LaserJock> theCore: where did you send it?
[06:41] <theCore> LaserJock, on the ML
[06:41] <joejaxx> LaserJock: the seeds are working! :)
[06:42] <LaserJock> joejaxx: \o/
[06:43] <joejaxx> LaserJock: no problems whatsoever
[06:43] <theCore> LaserJock, the subject line is: "[Patch]  Packaging with Debhelper"
[06:44] <LaserJock> theCore: oh yes
[06:44] <LaserJock> I was sort of waiting for the edgy branch to be created
[06:44] <LaserJock> which happened today
[06:44] <theCore> yeah
[06:44] <theCore> I saw mdke email
[06:46] <theCore> it's not a big diff, but it fixes minor things
[06:46] <theCore> some minor*
[06:50] <joejaxx> LaserJock: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${fluxbuntu-minimal:Depends}
[06:51] <LaserJock> joejaxx: did you look at debian/rules ?
[06:51] <joejaxx> yes
[06:51] <LaserJock> I'm guessing the problem is there
[06:52] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=169
[06:54] <joejaxx> ohh
[06:54] <joejaxx> i think i know what the problem is
[06:59] <LaserJock> yeah?
[06:59] <joejaxx> nope
[06:59] <joejaxx> it still does it
[07:00] <joejaxx> LaserJock: do you have an ideas on that?
[07:01] <LaserJock> do you actually have minimal seeds?
[07:01] <joejaxx> yes
[07:01] <joejaxx> LaserJock: http://seeds.fluxbuntu.net/edgy
[07:02] <joejaxx> those are the seeds
[07:03] <joejaxx> which germinate fine through ./update
[07:05] <joejaxx> LaserJock: and the funny part is that the rules file actually looks right
[07:05] <LaserJock> yes it does
[07:05] <LaserJock> what does debian/control look like?
[07:06] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=170
[07:07] <LaserJock> ok
[07:07] <LaserJock> copy the source dir to a tmp location
[07:08] <joejaxx> the source dir?
[07:08] <joejaxx> what do you mean?
[07:08] <joejaxx> the while fluxbuntu-meta-0.1 folder?
[07:09] <joejaxx> whole*
[07:11] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ok i copied it
[07:11] <LaserJock> then go into it
[07:11] <joejaxx> ok
[07:11] <joejaxx> i am in the src folder
[07:13] <joejaxx> ok what to do now
[07:14] <LaserJock> run make -f debian/rules build
[07:14] <LaserJock> sorry, had a water spill
[07:15] <joejaxx> it is quite alright
[07:15] <LaserJock> do you see *.substvars files in debian/ ?
[07:15] <joejaxx> make: Nothing to be done for `build'.
[07:15] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yes i do
[07:16] <LaserJock> ok, so does fluxbuntu-minimal.substvars have anything in it
[07:16] <joejaxx> yeah
[07:18] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:25] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yeah i have no idea what the problem is
[07:26] <LaserJock> I was trying to look for typos or something like that
[07:28] <joejaxx> yeah
[07:30] <LaserJock> well, I've got to call it a night
[07:30] <LaserJock> I hope you can get that fixed joejaxx
[07:30] <LaserJock> I just don't see anything obvious
[07:31] <joejaxx> alright
[07:31] <joejaxx> goodnight LaserJock
[07:33] <theCore> I'm out too
[07:33] <theCore> g'night all
[07:33] <joejaxx> goodnight theCore
[08:33] <Lathiat> so
[08:33] <Lathiat> i wonder how many more avahi-daemon not starting bugs we can get before edgy is released
[08:33] <Lathiat> maybe we should make it print a message
[08:33] <sivang> morning
[08:33] <Lathiat> 'Avahi is not enabled, check /etc/default/avahi-daemon'
[08:33] <Lathiat> o rsomething
[08:34] <ajmitch> Lathiat: think of how many you can collect after release
[08:34] <ajmitch> people won't see the message
[08:34] <sivang> heh
[08:34] <Lathiat> they will fi theyre tryign to start it manually
[08:34] <Lathiat> sudo /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon start style
[08:34] <Lathiat> which is what they seem to be doing
[08:34] <sivang> didn't we fix a small GUI starter for that?
[08:34] <Lathiat> oh right this guy was using the services utility
[08:34] <Lathiat> sivang: yeh problem si by default it doesnt start
[08:35] <Lathiat> sivang: which confuses the hell out of everyone
[08:36] <sivang> Lathiat: so let's have something popping once avahi is executed, and the daemon can't be found
[08:36] <sivang> Lathiat: and offer "Do you want to enable it" on the sport
[08:36] <sivang> spot
[08:36] <Lathiat> well
[08:36] <Lathiat> it depends what they're doing
[08:37] <imbrandon> moins all
[08:37] <imbrandon> heya sivang Lathiat
[08:37] <sivang> will it be hard to make smart guesses at what they're doing and act accordingly?
[08:37] <sivang> hey imbrandon !
[08:38] <Lathiat> sivang: if for example they reboot and it "doesnt work" its hard
[08:38] <Lathiat> imbrandon: yo
[08:40] <sivang> Lathiat: I would think this use case would be catered by offering to start the daemon any time a client can't connect to one locally, but then if it doesn't start due to a software crash or some other misfortuen the user would be mislead into an endless loop of "Do you want to enable?.." "Yes, sure I do!" "Daemon is not enabled, would you want to enable?"... and so forth
[08:40] <sivang> we would also have to pop up a window explaining about security due to this..
[08:43] <Lathiat> you mean when a program cant find avahi running?
[08:43] <Lathiat> mm
[08:43] <sivang> Lathiat: yes, indeed.
[08:56] <AnAnt> ping lionelp
[08:56] <lionelp> pong AnAnt
[08:56] <AnAnt> lionelp: you know about freecontrib.org ?
[08:56] <lionelp> yes
[08:57] <AnAnt> lionelp: do they have an authentication key ?
[08:58] <AnAnt> lionelp: I got a problem updating from it today
[08:58] <AnAnt> lionelp: and their website is in french, that's why I ask u
[08:58] <AnAnt> lionelp: je ne comprends le francais
[08:58] <lionelp> :)
[08:58] <AnAnt> hehe, that's like saying "no" to someone asking you if you can hear him :)
[08:59] <lionelp> AnAnt: I have not the key because I am not using it, but i am searching on the website to see if they give it
[08:59] <AnAnt> k, thanks
[09:03] <lionelp> AnAnt: sorry, I do not find any key
[09:03] <lionelp> maybe, there is none
[09:04] <AnAnt> k
[09:05] <AnAnt> I got this from apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://packages.freecontrib.org edgy-plf Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F120156012B83718
[09:12] <Nafallo> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key F120156012B83718 doesn't work?
[09:32] <AnAnt> Nafallo: yeah, thanks
[09:32] <Nafallo> np
[09:33] <AnAnt> Nafallo: now what should I do with it ?
[09:35] <AnAnt> Nafallo: nevermind, I found out !
[10:00] <ChaosFan> t/wg 42
[10:21] <Nafallo> any german guy awake? :-)
[10:27] <imbrandon> bwhahah
[10:27] <imbrandon> ajmitch, you round ?
[10:29] <imbrandon> TheMuso, ping
[10:30] <lastnode> imbrandon, yo
[10:30] <imbrandon> heya lastnode
[10:31] <lastnode> imbrandon, we're making some progress. i bet you're still busy though. maybe we'll package it after edgy ships?
[10:31] <imbrandon> yea we'll stick it in universe when the freeze is over ( after edgy ships )
[10:37] <imbrandon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25950/
[10:38] <imbrandon> now to make pbuilder use it and make ppc packages
[11:36] <\sh> moins
[11:37] <sivang> hey
[11:37] <sivang> moin \sh
[11:38] <spacey> zul: ping
[11:39] <\sh> hey sivang
[11:40] <spacey> good morning \sh and sivang
[11:41] <\sh> ajmitch / siretart: regarding https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/63274 ... ok to upload?
[11:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63274 in wine "UVF exception request wine 0.9.22" [High,Confirmed] 
[11:55] <ajmitch> \sh: fine by me
[11:56] <YokoZar> \sh: hi
[11:56] <YokoZar> \sh: What a coincidence opening this window when you're discussing Wine
[11:57] <ajmitch> hey YokoZar
[11:57] <YokoZar> Hey there
[11:57] <\sh> ajmitch: ok..uploaded :)
[11:57] <YokoZar> Any Wine questions while I'm here?
[11:57] <Q-FUNK> Red or White?
[11:58] <YokoZar> Q-FUNK: redmond red
[11:58] <Q-FUNK> LOL
[11:58] <Q-FUNK> that would be an awesome inside joke if someone were to make such a wine
[11:58] <\sh> YokoZar: hehe..yeah sometimes there are little surprises...
[11:59] <YokoZar> \sh: Oh?
[12:00] <\sh> YokoZar: in my company I'm always asked, why wine is not working in native 64bit mode on x86_64 arch ;)
[12:01] <YokoZar> Your company sounds like my email
[12:01] <YokoZar> Any luck getting it to compile on 64 bit?
[12:01] <YokoZar> I've seen like 5 howtos people have posted over the months but none of them work for building for me
[12:01] <\sh> YokoZar: no...upstream told me, that wine on 64bit is right now in a very unusable state
[12:02] <\sh> and not thinking about 32bit wine on 64bit arch
[12:02] <YokoZar> Pretty much.  I'm more talking about building in 32-bit mode
[12:02] <ajmitch> YokoZar is one of upstream, right?
[12:02] <YokoZar> I make the winehq packages
[12:03] <\sh> ajmitch: YokoZar is scott ritchie :)
[12:03] <ajmitch> yeah, that's what I thought
[12:03] <ajmitch> \sh: I know
[12:03] <\sh> accepted wine 0.9.22
[12:04] <ajmitch> great, thanks for that
[12:04] <YokoZar> You fixed the bug I opened ~ build depends right?
[12:04] <ajmitch> about libhal-dev, libgphoto2-2-dev, etc?
[12:04] <\sh> YokoZar: yeah :) I read changelogs ;)
[12:04] <YokoZar> hot
[12:04] <ajmitch> YokoZar: that's in
[12:05] <ajmitch> \sh: might as well close bug 64065 then
[12:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64065 in wine "Missing build depends: libhal-dev, libhal-storage-dev, libgphoto2-2-dev" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64065
[12:05] <YokoZar> So other than forcing the  stack protector off at build time, is the package any different from mine?
[12:06] <\sh> YokoZar: yes, I had to remove libjack-dev and libicu-dev from build-deps ... pbuilder doesn't like it
[12:06] <\sh> YokoZar: but this I do since ages :)
[12:07] <\sh> YokoZar: 64065 closed
[12:07] <YokoZar> Cool
[12:08] <YokoZar> Looks like when I start running an edgy system I'll be able to maintain the edgy branch of winehq very easy :)
[12:08] <ajmitch> YokoZar: that would be good
[12:08] <\sh> :))
[12:08] <\sh> YokoZar: thx for your energy and time to maintain those packages for winehq :)
[12:09] <\sh> ajmitch: you should upgrade to WoW ;)
[12:09] <ajmitch> \sh: too expensive & easy to get addicted ;)
[12:09] <YokoZar> Part of me feels guilty for helping people play WoW...
[12:09] <ajmitch> besides, I only have a slow old amd64 with a geforce 6600
[12:10] <\sh> YokoZar: I don't play wow on wine :) actually I try to avoid using wine ;)
[12:10] <YokoZar> Frankly all I use it for these days is online poker and utorrent
[12:10] <YokoZar> And eMule, I guess
[12:11] <ajmitch> I haven't played d2 for a couple of months
[12:11] <ajmitch> & last time I tried it didn't like battle.net anyway
[12:12] <\sh> so..what needs to be done for edgy
[12:12] <\sh> unmet deps ?
[12:12] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:13] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/unmet/unmet.txt for a list I annotated a couple of days ago
[12:13] <ajmitch> I've got abotu 20 f-spot patches to pull from cvs, at the suggestion of an upstream developer :)
[12:14] <\sh> what about the "new merges" ... that's unfair ,)
[12:15] <ajmitch> \sh: we're in universe upstream version freeze, so...
[12:15] <\sh> ajmitch: yepp
[12:16] <ajmitch> we need to get stuff installable & try & fix as many *critical* bugs as possible
[12:19] <ajmitch> yay, another f-spot bug for me to fix
[12:21] <ajmitch> Q-FUNK: what's the problem?
[12:25] <Q-FUNK> ajmitch: some hard-coded colors in the code I adopted.  I would need to replace this with macros that adopt whatever the gtk2 theme offers.
[12:26] <Q-FUNK> however, I don't understand the way gtk2 theme inheritance works at all.
[12:26] <ajmitch> ah, neither do I sorry
[12:27] <Q-FUNK> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=374997
[12:27] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 374997 in wnpp "ITP: utf8-migration-tool -- tool to migrate a Debian system to UTF-8" [Wishlist,Open] 
[12:27] <Q-FUNK> this is the problem spot
[12:30] <ajmitch> hm
[12:30] <\sh> hmmm
[12:31] <\sh> pygtk2? isn't there a nice tutorial on how to code pygtk the right way?
[12:31] <Q-FUNK> there might be
[12:32] <Q-FUNK> I'm not much of a coding type to begin with
[12:32] <Q-FUNK> IIRC there is one but I couldn't find the answer I need there.
[12:33] <\sh> Q-FUNK: http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/index.py?req=index
[12:33] <\sh> http://www.async.com.br/faq/pygtk/index.py?req=show&file=faq04.006.htp
[12:36] <ajmitch> \sh: does that get the current theme settings?
[12:36] <Q-FUNK> it seems not.  it just explains how to hard-code a color
[12:38] <\sh> Q-FUNK: so..if you don't set a color, you should get the default
[12:38] <\sh> shouldn't be different to qt
[12:39] <Q-FUNK> I don't know QT either, so I couldn't tell :)
[12:39] <\sh> what about removing the line which are changing the color?
[12:40] <Q-FUNK> that makes it worse
[12:40] <Q-FUNK> sidebar_color = gtk.gdk.color_parse('#cccccc')
[12:40] <Q-FUNK> I have this
[12:40] <Q-FUNK> later on, it's used at
[12:41] <Q-FUNK> self.eventbox_top.modify_bg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, self.sidebar_color)
[12:41] <\sh> and removing the modify_bg call?
[12:41] <\sh> (commenting in)
[12:42] <Q-FUNK> the color does need to be set, just it would need to inherit the theme
[12:45] <Q-FUNK> it needs to inherit the color for selected or disabled items
[12:47] <\sh> hmm....
[12:48] <\sh> ask some gnome/gtk cracks ;)
[12:50] <\sh> ok...doing some real live tasks
[12:50] <\sh> bb
[12:50] <\sh> bbl
[12:58] <ajmitch> hm
[12:59] <Fujitsu> Let's all hum!
[01:00] <ajmitch> nah, dsl just dropped for a couple of minutes
[01:00] <ajmitch> connection to freenode didn't disappear, thankfully
[01:00] <Q-FUNK> is this the hum shopping network? ;)
[01:09] <cvacubo> Hello
[01:30] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[01:30] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch
[02:01] <imbrandon_> Fujitsu: check query, /me is afk
[03:02] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:11] <lukas__> Hey, I have a simple upgrade to my gfceu package.  It fixes a lot of annoying bugs, and it would be great to see in edgy.  Could someone please upload it?  It's been in the revu for a couple weeks. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3214
[03:13] <Hobbsee> lukas__: it's after freeze, you'll need a UVF exception now
[03:13] <lukas__> Hobbsee: Argh :-\ Would they give a UVF for a trivial program?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> probably not.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> depends what it is
[03:14] <Hobbsee> see the topic
[03:14] <lukas__> Alright
[05:22] <jonduf> Hi, I am looking for the package that will put linux/module.h in my include directory. I am trying to compile a very simple helloword.c kernel module and gcc can't find this file, nor can I find it in synaptic. Anyone know where to find it?
[05:24] <sivang> sivan@swirl:~$ dpkg -S linux/module.h
[05:24] <sivang> linux-headers-2.6.17-5: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-5/include/linux/module.h
[05:24] <sivang> jonduf: ^^
[05:24] <sivang> linux-headers-2.6.17-5-686: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-5-686/include/linux/module.h
[05:24] <sivang> jonduf: match this with your running kernel though.
[05:25] <Adri2000> apt-file is your friend
[05:25] <jonduf> thanks
[05:25] <sivang> jonduf: (the package is linux-header-*)
[05:25] <jonduf> right
[05:25] <jonduf> I thought I had that installed though, let me check
[05:27] <jonduf> ok, I do see it now, perhaps there is something in this module tutorial I am not doing correctly, thanks for you help
[05:27] <sivang> jonduf: no problem
[05:28] <theCore> I got a UVF exception, now how do I do the sync?
[05:32] <Adri2000> file a bug
[06:23] <tuxmaniac> Can someone check whether sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2-dev is not broken!!
[06:31] <kristog> when will edgy released?
[06:32] <imbrandon> the release schedule is in the topic
[06:32] <kristog> imbrandon, sorry, thank you
[06:33] <imbrandon> np
[06:34] <zul> ah so it is...:)
[06:36] <imbrandon> heya zul
[06:41] <zul> hey imbrandon how is it going?
[06:42] <imbrandon> great, actualy got my crosscompilers packages and working
[06:43] <imbrandon> heh now trying to make pbuilder use them and make packages for other arches
[06:43] <zul> cool...got your flights booked?
[06:43] <zul> nify..
[06:43] <imbrandon> the travel agent hasent got back to me yet
[06:43] <zul> hmmm...that sucks..
[06:43] <imbrandon> that reminds me i need to email her again
[06:44] <imbrandon> you?
[06:44] <zul> yep leaving oat 6am in the monring on the 4th
[06:44] <imbrandon> nice
[06:45] <zul> not really...
[06:46] <zul> which means i have to get up at like 3 in the morning
[06:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[06:47] <imbrandon> what airport are you flying into? SF ?
[06:55] <zul> san jose
[06:58] <zul> im still giddy about it
[06:59] <imbrandon> hehe me too, i just poked the agent again, hopefully she will get back to me in the morning
[07:00] <imbrandon> i soooo wanna get a new laptop before then but i dont think i will have the money before UDS so i'll likely just bring my slow ibook hehe
[07:13] <zul> yeah my laptop died unforunately
[07:13] <imbrandon> zul, so you got any specs in mind for UDS ?
[07:13] <imbrandon> yea mine is a 800mhz ppc 640mb ram, not a speed demon but it'll work
[07:14] <zul> imbrandon: mostly xen specs
[07:16] <imbrandon> cool, yea i'm gonna try to get in on some of those, see if i can help out a bit since i use it might as well, as long as there is time from the ones i've already commited to KDE wise
[07:17] <zul> im mostly commited to xen/kernel stuff though i have no idea what im going to get my hands on yet
[07:17] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:41] <joejaxx> imbrandon: want to see something?
[07:42] <joejaxx> laserjock and i were trying to figure this out early this morning
[07:50] <imbrandon> joejaxx, sure
[07:51] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=169
[07:51] <joejaxx> http://fluxbuntu.org//view.php?id=170
[07:51] <joejaxx> the first is the rules file
[07:51] <joejaxx> and the second is the fluxbuntu-meta files
[07:52] <joejaxx> all of the meta packages except fluxbuntu-minimal are able to pull the dependencies from the substitution variable
[07:52] <imbrandon> very cool
[07:53] <imbrandon> might wanna update the standards to 3.7.2 and debhelper to 5.0.0 but other than that looks rockin
[07:54] <joejaxx> imbrandon: the is problem when i go to build the fluxbuntu-meta package
[07:54] <joejaxx> the fluxbuntu-minimal package can not read the depends from the substitution variable :\
[07:55] <imbrandon> one sec
[07:55] <imbrandon> got that int he repo ?
[07:55] <joejaxx> have what?
[07:56] <imbrandon> that package ( and the source )
[07:56] <imbrandon> i'll take a look
[07:56] <joejaxx> oh no
[07:56] <joejaxx> i am building them to put in universe edgy+1
[07:56] <imbrandon> sure , but i mean for now, do you have it online somewhere
[07:56] <joejaxx> imbrandon: no i do not
[07:57] <imbrandon> hum ok nvm
[08:15] <winkle> hi, a bugfix release of python-notify was just made, is it possible to get this in?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> winkle: file a bug asking for it
[08:23] <winkle> done
[11:14] <ajmitch> hi
[11:16] <Plug> yarr!
[11:25] <kristog> ajmitch, ehrr
[11:26] <kristog> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-butterfly/+bug/64709 this is for uvf-motu
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64709 in telepathy-butterfly "new upstream" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[11:26] <ajmitch> yes?
[11:26] <kristog> why you did   Assignee: MOTU UVF Team => Riccardo Setti
[11:26] <ajmitch> kristog: correct
[11:26] <ajmitch> I did that because it had 2 approvals
[11:27] <ajmitch> & so it doesn't need to be on the UVF list
[11:27] <ajmitch> as the great dholbach said..
[11:27] <ajmitch> 00:29 < dholbach> ajmitch: can you mark bugs where you approve as the second uvf reviewer as 'confirmed' and assign to whoever filed the bug?
[11:27] <kristog> ok, didn't know :)
[11:27] <kristog> yes, i know
[11:28] <kristog> didn't see your post
[11:28] <ajmitch> ok
[11:29] <zul> ajmitch likes the power it give him an elevated sense of self-esteem
[11:38] <ajmitch> zul :P
[11:41] <Toadstool> hey everybody !
[11:42] <gnomefreak> hi Toadstool
[11:43] <Toadstool> hey gnomefreak
[11:43] <kristog> night all
[11:44] <gnomefreak> night kristog