[08:12] <juliux> morning highvoltage 
[08:13] <juliux> highvoltage, on this page http://edubuntu.org/ThinClientConfig is a bug. the screenshot is wrong. the path should be gksu "gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" 
[08:14] <juliux> on a default edubuntu installation is no ksudo
[08:15] <juliux> and the path is als wrong
[08:15] <highvoltage> juliux: ah, I see
[08:16] <highvoltage> I thought I fixed it. strange.
[08:16] <juliux> the path should be /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and not /opt/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[08:16] <juliux> yesterday i only looked at the screenshot so i put my lts.conf in the wrong folder and so the clients didnt boot
[08:18] <highvoltage> urgh. pips1 and I changed the password and I can't remember it.
[08:18] <highvoltage> juliux: I have an updated screenshot now, will upload a bit later today when I find pips1
[08:19] <juliux> good luck
[08:55] <RichEd> morning highvoltage & others
[08:55] <highvoltage> mornign RichEd 
[08:57] <HedgeMage> hi, guys :)
[09:01] <RichEd> hi HedgeMage :)
[09:02] <HedgeMage> hey, RichEd, how's it going?
[09:03] <RichEd> Well thanks HedgeMage and yourself ?
[09:04] <RichEd> (Last planning over the next few days and some construction action by the end of this week hopefully.)
[09:04] <HedgeMage> Pretty good... TT is finally potty training :)  Other than that just trying to find time at the computer to wrap up as much handbook stuff as I can
[09:04] <HedgeMage> Do we have a docbook guru who might be willing to help straighten out some errors with handbook's markup?
[09:05] <HedgeMage> I only took one quick look, but I am still learning docbook so it didn't seem horribly obvious to me.
[09:05] <RichEd> ^^ Good. I raised your desire to move in the meeting ... people are aware of the situation and we need to recruit some more willing helpers. We are hoping Will van der leij will take over all docs from a co-ordination and management point.
[09:06] <RichEd> re: docbook guru - what is required here ? skills ? time ?
[09:29] <RichEd> HedgeMage: re: docbook guru - what is required here ? skills ? time ?
[09:31] <HedgeMage> RichEd: We get about a dozen (possibly trivial) docbook errors when trying to process the thing to make a pdf or show it as one document or whatnot... I'm not sure how to fix them off of the top of my head.  If someone who actually knows what they're doing can help, i doubt a fix would take more than a half hour, maybe an hour tops.
[09:51] <RichEd> HedgeMage: Can you send me an email with the info above and some details as to how this has been experienced or fixed before ? And anyone who helped previously ? I will try to find a resource or willing helper.
[09:52] <RichEd> And any examples of the problem(s) ... that would help.
[09:52] <HedgeMage> RichEd: sure thing.
[09:52] <HedgeMage> probably in the morning, though, I'm about to fall over.
[09:53] <RichEd> no rush ... also include deadline dates & targets ")_
[09:53] <HedgeMage> RichEd: I'll post a plea to ubuntu-docteam as well, someone there was very helpful last time.
[09:53] <HedgeMage> cool, thanks :D
[09:53] <HedgeMage> I am so sick of being so strapped for time... I hate doing this job knowing I can't give it 100% :(
[09:53] <HedgeMage> It *deserves* 100%
[10:17] <RichEd> hey jono :) you been away for a bit ?
[10:17] <RichEd> morning ogra
[10:17] <jono> hey RichEd :)
[10:17] <jono> RichEd, yeah was on vacation for two weeks
[10:24] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: I've been there before, I understand. It's not fun :(
[10:25] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: thanks :)
[10:27] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: what I can tell you though is that it eventually does pass over :)
[10:28] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: Thanks for the support :)
[10:29] <HedgeMage> It's good to know I still have friends here despite being so absent lately.
[10:29] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: :)
[10:30] <HedgeMage> hehe!
[10:30] <RichEd> ;)
[12:22] <ogra> cbx33, did you mail claire about not attending UDS ? 
[12:23] <cbx33> yes
[12:23] <cbx33> and received a reply
[12:25] <cbx33> y?
[12:26] <ogra> fine, thanks
[12:26] <cbx33> ok
[01:03] <skwashd> hi all
[01:04] <skwashd> i am trying to use the tftp server which ships with edubuntu to flash some firmware
[01:04] <skwashd> where do i store the users ?
[01:04] <highvoltage> hi skwashd 
[01:04] <skwashd> hey highvoltage 
[01:04] <highvoltage> what kind of users?
[01:04] <skwashd> highvoltage: the tftp users
[01:05] <highvoltage> hmm... I've only used it with root before.
[01:05] <highvoltage> I didn't even know tftpd has concept of users :)
[01:06] <skwashd> highvoltage: well i keep on being prompted for user:pass
[01:06] <ogra> for tftp o_O ?
[01:06] <skwashd> ogra: yes
[01:06] <ogra> the tftp protocol doesnt support such stuff
[01:07] <ogra> seems youre not using tftp there ... tftp is totally dumb and doesnt know about users
[01:08] <skwashd> ogra: hmmm
[01:08] <skwashd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Sparc
[01:08] <ogra> but the right place for the file would be /var/lib/tftpboot in any case ... tftpd exports that as /
[01:09] <skwashd> yeah ... i am using /var/lib/tftpboot/sparc for my files ... to keep them separate
[01:10] <ogra> then you need to use /sparc/yourimage.bin on the client ...
[01:10] <skwashd> ogra: yes ... but i am still at the flashing stage
[01:11] <skwashd> under Getting the installer booted
[01:11] <ogra> yes
[01:11] <ogra> thats what i mean 
[01:12] <ogra> put your firmware into /var/lib/tftpboot/sparc and use flashupdate -s yourserverip -f /sparc/yourimage.bin
[01:12] <skwashd> i am using  flashupdate -v -s 192.168.111.22 -f /sparc/Sun_System_Firmware-6_1_11-Sun_Fire_T2000.bin
[01:12] <ogra> right
[01:12] <skwashd> dave@edubuntu:/var/lib/tftpboot$ ls /var/lib/tftpboot/sparc
[01:12] <skwashd> boot.img  Sun_System_Firmware-6_1_11-Sun_Fire_T2000.bin
[01:13] <ogra> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/advsearch.do?collection=PATCH&type=collections&queryKey5=121359&toDocument=yes
[01:13] <ogra> doesnt talk about tftp for flashupdate
[01:13] <ogra>           So, before running the flashupdate utility, you must have already downloaded
[01:13] <ogra>           the new Sun System Firmware image from the SunSolve site to a local FTP
[01:13] <ogra>           server accessible by the platform whose firmware you are upgrading.
[01:14] <skwashd> ogra: sorry for wasting your time
[01:14] <ogra> just install vsftp and move the .bin file to a users home ... then get it from there with the users name/pw
[01:14] <ogra> ;)
[01:14] <skwashd> i failed to notice the lack of a t
[01:15] <skwashd> and as i need tftp for the net boot i just assumed it was used for the flash
[01:15] <skwashd> oh wel
[01:15] <skwashd> time to intsall vsftp
[01:22] <skwashd> that worked! :)
[01:22] <skwashd> thanks again
[01:48] <jsgotangco> ta-da!
[01:48] <ogra> clap clap
[01:49] <ogra> good idea ! :)
[01:50] <jsgotangco> heh it seems i downloaded the wrong image
[01:51] <jsgotangco> gahhh i downloaded knot 3
[01:51] <ogra> ouch
[01:51] <cbx33> hehehe
[01:51] <ogra> thats broken as hell
[01:52] <ogra> apart from the broken usplash progressbar everything should be release ready now ...
[01:52] <jsgotangco> i knew it! that's why i though f*ck its ugly
[01:52] <cbx33> :D:D:D
[01:52] <cbx33> we did well
[01:53] <jsgotangco> im so sad i didnt see much
[01:53] <jsgotangco> cbx33: are you going to mountain view?
[01:53] <ogra> well, you are back in the right moment for the final tests ;)
[01:53] <cbx33> :( - no
[01:53] <cbx33> I can't get the time off work
[01:53] <jsgotangco> doh!
[01:53] <ogra> apparently nobody will go for edubuntu ...
[01:53] <cbx33> man was friday bad
[01:53] <cbx33> not even pygi?
[01:53] <ogra> pygi mailed he has exams 
[01:54] <cbx33> no way.....he was so stoked to go?
[01:54] <ogra> i wonder why he asked for sponsorhip 
[01:54] <cbx33> yeh?
[01:54] <ogra> now we wont have anybody apart from the k12 guys and LaserJock :/
[01:55] <cbx33> I'm really really sorry ogra
[01:55] <cbx33> now you're making me feel awful
[01:56] <RichEd> ogra: we've got some ltsp people as well no ?
[01:56] <ogra> right
[01:56] <ogra> but they will be focused on ltsp ... not edubuntu specific stuff
[01:57] <ogra> enabling the ltsp features we want in edubuntu is the only real edubuntu related task here ...
[01:57] <cbx33> can I still be assigned specs if I'm not at MV?
[01:57] <ogra> important for me is to get SCP up to speed and to have more gui tools for edubuntu management (ltsp-manager, willowng)
[01:58] <cbx33> yes
[01:58] <cbx33> ltsp-manager is a must
[01:58] <ogra> apart from discussing things like CD size and new edubuntu features
[01:58] <cbx33> upgrades to SCP and indeed it's inner workings are a must too
[01:58] <cbx33> ogra: I had an idea for an idea :
[01:58] <ogra> i worked a bit on it over the weekend ...
[01:58] <cbx33> was gonna write a spec
[01:58] <cbx33> ogra: on SCP?
[01:58] <ogra> ltsp_manager
[01:58] <cbx33> ah cool
[01:59] <ogra> SCP should be realease reday, right ? 
[01:59] <cbx33> what about a way for teachers to plan their lessons......could be integrated in SCP, so that you click a button and on each persons machine it will load what they need for that lesson.....like firefox - pointed to a research resource - oowriter for taking notes.....
[01:59] <ogra> i dont have to change anything anymore, do i ?
[01:59] <cbx33> ogra: yes
[01:59] <cbx33> it's all done
[01:59] <ogra> ok
[02:00] <cbx33> could be extended to save their session to...so next lesson they can continue exactly where they left off?
[02:00] <cbx33> what do you think?
[02:00] <ogra> i'd like to be SCP independent from schools at some point , classroom/schedule management should rather be done by schooltool (thats why we ship it)
[02:00] <cbx33> then time isn't wasted at the start of a lesson loading materials
[02:01] <cbx33> ok
[02:01] <cbx33> but schooltool doesn't do what I just described does it?
[02:01] <ogra> SCP should turn into a generic lockdown ltsp-session-control panel
[02:01] <cbx33> sure
[02:01] <ogra> then add it there :)
[02:01] <cbx33> i thought schooltool was webbaseD?
[02:01] <ogra> it is
[02:02] <cbx33> then we can't really integrate it can we?
[02:02] <ogra> but nobody keeps you from contributing code ;)
[02:02] <cbx33> of course not....but getting a web based package to run programs on a users mahcine and collect information about their current session isn't the best way of doing it is it?
[02:02] <ogra> why ? launchpad integration is using webbased stuff as well from the desktop
[02:03] <ogra> why should the webtool collect info ... collect it independently and *send* it to the webtool
[02:03] <cbx33> i suppose
[02:03] <ogra> indeed you could also write a simple gui tool for it ... but i'd rather like it to be independent from SCP
[02:04] <cbx33> yes i get that independant part :p
[02:04] <ogra> (even we could have a plugin that starts it from SCP ;) )
[02:04] <cbx33> but....it could be seen as session storing for ltsp?
[02:04] <ogra> but which is not installed in a default SCP 
[02:04] <cbx33> yes plugin good idea
[02:04] <cbx33> infact that's how I was goign to implement it
[02:04] <ogra> right, if you keep it as add on thats fine ...
[02:05] <cbx33> of course
[02:05] <ogra> as fine as a timer for internet cafes would be as plugin for example 
[02:05] <cbx33> yes
[02:05] <jsgotangco> err pardon me but where is the download link for our beta?
[02:05] <ogra> or reporting software interaction for billing ... etc etc
[02:05] <ogra> jsgotangco, /topic ?
[02:05] <jsgotangco> gaahh
[02:05] <ogra> :)
[02:06] <cbx33> heheh
[02:14] <cbx33> ogra: cna you think of any other enhancements we can do?
[02:14] <cbx33> or are you saving that kinda thinking for MV
[02:14] <cbx33> :p
[02:14] <highvoltage> urgh. I'm having heavy NFS problems trying to mount a /home
[02:15] <highvoltage> I keep getting a rpc timed out error no matter what I try
[02:15] <cbx33> highvoltage: have you tried mounting it from a nother machine manually?
[02:16] <cbx33> and do you have an RDNS record? - I believe that affects it IIRC
[02:16] <highvoltage> cbx33: I can't, there's not another machine to test from
[02:17] <ogra> highvoltage, you mean you try mounting /home on a client via nfs ?
[02:17] <ogra> s/client/thin client/
[02:17] <highvoltage> also, this is not a machine I have with me, it's one of our schools I'm helping over jabber :/
[02:17] <highvoltage> ogra: yes
[02:17] <ogra> did it ever work before ? 
[02:17] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry, I should mention that it's not an edubuntu server
[02:18] <ogra> or is that something new they try to set up ?
[02:18] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, it worked
[02:18] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[02:18] <jsgotangco> UDS in Mountain View would suck because it doesn't have the cool Edubuntu people
[02:18] <highvoltage> it worked fine here, and then we sent the server to them, and when they plugged it into the lab, it wouldn't work.
[02:18] <highvoltage> works fine in 4 other places where we have the same setup.
[02:19] <jsgotangco> nyahaha
[02:19] <ogra> highvoltage, ubuntu ltsp ?
[02:28] <highvoltage> ogra: kind of. it started as an ubuntu ltsp system
[02:28] <highvoltage> ogra: it's one of those setups where I run everything locally on the clients
[02:48] <RichEd> cbx33: sent you an eamail ... please take a look when you get a chance
[02:55] <RichEd> does anyone have a recommendation for simple & cheap no frills domain name registration site : I've used register.com and networksolutions.com but not sure if they are the cheapest 
[02:56] <ogra> cheapest != best 
[02:56] <ogra> networksolutions.com should be ok ... is it for your own domain ?
[02:59] <RichEd> ogra: 1 is for me and 1 for the community site ... I've used network solutions in the past, but they kept on trying to sell me "value added services" and I don;t need or want a web site and all the stuff they try to flog you. Just the domain name records to be established and maintained.
[02:59] <highvoltage> RichEd: also depends what the domain ends with. if it's a local domain then http://co.za and http://org.za are good (they are cheap, fast, and reliable)
[02:59] <RichEd> highvoltage: yep ... I'm a past good friend of the uniforum :)
[03:00] <RichEd> looking for .org so needs to be international
[03:00] <highvoltage> heh, ok.
[03:00] <RichEd> Is org.za still with IS ?
[03:00] <ogra> RichEd, i'm not talking about "value added services" ;) if you want to change the registration (another admin-c entry or simple address change) at some point, some are good and some are not ;)
[03:01] <ogra> shouldnt company related sites not be registered by the company ?
[03:01] <RichEd> ogra: ^^ point taken ...
[03:01] <ogra> i'd ask znarl or elmo about the community site registration
[03:28] <RichEd> anyone dealt with: www.namesecure.com before ? good or bad ? they are bare service bones at 50% of network solutions cost
[03:50] <ulinskie> hello
[03:50] <ulinskie> where can I find presentations on edubuntu
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya
[04:36] <RichEd> hello bddebian 
[04:37] <bddebian> Hello RichEd
[04:37] <tomveens> Hello Both!
[04:38] <bddebian> Hello tomveens
[04:44] <tomveens> got plans for today?
[05:11] <bddebian> tomveens: Yeah, work :-(
[06:47] <nixternal> RichEd and anyone else..i received an email from a gentleman in Wisconson (US) that has been tasked with finding a replacement for Windows for an elementary school system and High School. I am replying to his email, but I wondered if I could CC or BCC anyone so you could provide more info and maybe help this guy out?
[06:47] <nixternal> he has chosed Ubuntu already, and thinks he burned the CD wrong
[06:48] <nixternal> s/chosed/chosen
[06:48] <nixternal> in the email I am letting him know about Edubuntu as well, but I think this email/information would be better sought out and completed by one of you if possible
[06:54] <pygi> ogra, cbx33 : ping
[06:56] <pygi> ahm, ok, you're not here probably
[07:04] <LaserJock> heh
[07:08] <pygi> LaserJock: what?! :P
[07:08] <LaserJock> you like pinging people a lot :-)
[07:09] <pygi> LaserJock: well, considering I'll be here for next 5 minutes, and then I'll be able to come online in a week or so...
[07:09] <pygi> I'd like to speak with them :P
[07:09] <pygi> moving, no internet, stuff :)
[07:10] <pygi> and considering I'll be eaten .... :P
[07:10] <LaserJock> haha
[07:11] <pygi> if only you would understand why, then you'd knew there is nothing to laugh about :P
[07:12] <LaserJock> but a break from internet will be good for you :-)
[07:12] <pygi> ergh, not really :)
[07:13] <pygi> really  gotta run now, sorry :)
[07:26] <cbx33> *bah* I missed him
[07:29] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[09:39] <juliux> ogra, evening, i know that you have a evo t20 thinclient, how good is this thinclient?