| fdoving | imbrandon: status? | 12:22 |
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| fdoving | i've got cowbuilder setup now. with gcc-4.1-powerpc :) | 12:22 |
| fdoving | currently downloading adept build-deps to test. | 12:23 |
| fdoving | but this slow 784kbps connection is ... slow. | 12:23 |
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| Tm_T | ok, partially finnish text problem is located | 12:45 |
| Tm_T | somehow KDE fallbacks en_GB to next lang selection, finnish | 12:45 |
| Tm_T | dunno if this is how it is supposed to work | 12:46 |
| Riddell | mhb: yes, it is | 12:55 |
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| Tm_T | it is, stupid me | 01:01 |
| fdoving | gnite. | 01:06 |
| DaSkreech | Night | 01:17 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: can I lodge a small protest? | 01:17 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: I am your humble servant | 01:18 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 01:18 |
| DaSkreech | the bootsplash can take commands correct? | 01:18 |
| DaSkreech | other than esc? | 01:19 |
| Riddell | it can show progress | 01:19 |
| Riddell | that's about it | 01:19 |
| DaSkreech | Well yeah that's what I'm getting at | 01:19 |
| DaSkreech | Not showing progress (messages) is pretty distracting | 01:19 |
| Riddell | it does show progress | 01:20 |
| DaSkreech | Well it shows a bar | 01:20 |
| DaSkreech | the lack of messages is distractin | 01:20 |
| Riddell | users don't care about lots of scrolling text | 01:21 |
| Riddell | and I don't care for it either | 01:21 |
| Riddell | but you're complaining to the wrong dude, you want a usplash developer | 01:21 |
| Hawkwind | You can change that in your /etc/boot/menu.lst file anyways | 01:21 |
| DaSkreech | Hawkwind: ok thought that it was masked out by the Image | 01:22 |
| Hawkwind | DaSkreech: Well, I haven't seen a boot splash image in years except during initial install of the OS. I disable them immediately | 01:22 |
| DaSkreech | They are kinda pretty and I reboot so infrequently that I normally don't care either way but been playing with the edgy Live CD and I find my nerves are on edge cause the boot is soo silent | 01:24 |
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| gnomefreak | imbrandon: ping | 01:33 |
| === gnomefreak thinks i found this issue with amarok crashing | ||
| gnomefreak | i asked them to install arts-dbg and runt he backtrace. a vaguely remember ars crashing amarok a few times here | 01:34 |
| gnomefreak | bug 52155 is the bug im talking about | 01:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 52155 in amarok "Amarok crashes when playing .mp3, .wma, and .ogg files" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52155 | 01:35 |
| trappist | has anyone noticed the uninstallable kdelibs due to unsatisfied kdelibs-data version in 355, or should I mention it here? | 01:36 |
| gnomefreak | i havent seen that issue. why are you uninstalling kdelibs? | 01:39 |
| trappist | I failed to notice it and ended up with a pretty bare, backgroundless, kickerless kde | 01:39 |
| trappist | gnomefreak: I upgraded to 355, and kdelibs was uninstallable (couldn't be installed, not could be uninstalled) | 01:40 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 01:40 |
| gnomefreak | i didnt see that from my upgrade :( i wish i would have | 01:40 |
| trappist | no you don't :) | 01:40 |
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| trappist | as it turns out, a few things depend on kdelibs ;) | 01:40 |
| trappist | I apt-get sourced kdelibs and changed the deps and am now rebuilding | 01:41 |
| trappist | and it just now finished. | 01:41 |
| trappist | wish I could remember the exact details, but it wanted kdelibs-data 3.5.5 and got 3.5.5-0ubuntu1 or vice versa | 01:43 |
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| trappist | dang, other similar problems: kcontrol: Depends: kdebase-data (< 4:3.5.5) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 01:45 |
| trappist | and many more like that | 01:45 |
| trappist | ah well, this is why I did this while the missus was out of town. she hates it when I break the computer. | 01:51 |
| Riddell | trappist: dapper or edgy? | 01:53 |
| trappist | edgy | 01:53 |
| Riddell | trappist: what does apt-cache policy kcontrol say? | 01:54 |
| trappist | well now that you mention it, it looks like it wants to install 3.5.4 from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main | 01:55 |
| trappist | which doesn't really match what I pasted above | 01:55 |
| trappist | and apt-get build-dep kdebase wants to remove nvidia-glx x-window-system-core xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core and so on. that's odd. | 01:57 |
| trappist | oh, because: | 02:00 |
| trappist | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Build conflicts: nvidia-glx | 02:00 |
| trappist | Riddell: do you know that build conflict to be accurate? | 02:01 |
| trappist | and if so, why? | 02:01 |
| nuku | yes its correct .. | 02:01 |
| nuku | i happend to see it too :) | 02:01 |
| Riddell | trappist: yes it is | 02:02 |
| nuku | its because there are problems with shared building against the nvidia libs | 02:02 |
| trappist | nuku: problems building it for public consumption, or should I expect problems here on my nvidia machine? | 02:02 |
| nuku | no only for public buliding .. works fine when you just use it local | 02:02 |
| trappist | ok that's what I was looking for, thanks | 02:02 |
| nuku | plus kdebase just use it in kcontrol for the opengl info panel | 02:03 |
| trappist | seems to be a missing build-dep somewhere for kdebase. checking X paths... failed; configure: error: /usr/bin/xmkmf (imake) failed.; Make sure you have all necessary X development packages installed. | 02:05 |
| trappist | seems to be due to no /usr/X11 | 02:18 |
| trappist | nm on that. | 02:22 |
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| nuku | atleast xmkmf is in xutils-dev.. wonder whats going wrong ..i had no problems building kdebase with installing all build-dep but the nvidia-glx | 02:27 |
| trappist | yeah I haven't tracked it down yet either | 02:29 |
| trappist | the failed test is: | 02:33 |
| trappist | if imake -I/usr/lib/X11/config -DTOPDIR=/etc/X11 -DCURDIR=. /etc/X11 >&5 2>&1 && test -f Makefile; then | 02:33 |
| trappist | which I can't quite test outside the configure script | 02:34 |
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| nuku | have you installed xutils-dev ? | 02:43 |
| trappist | if I copy the contents of /etc/X11/config/cf to conftestdir and cd to there, the test passes | 02:44 |
| trappist | nuku: as it turns out, no | 02:44 |
| trappist | but installing it will uninstall imake... trying anyway | 02:44 |
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| nuku | hmm imake is not in edgy as it seems.. maybe something from a former dapper installation?! | 02:46 |
| trappist | oh, xutils-dev provides imake. I guess that's the missing build-dep. | 02:46 |
| trappist | nuku: very likely | 02:46 |
| trappist | also provides xmkmf | 02:47 |
| nuku | yep | 02:47 |
| trappist | wee, that did it. | 02:48 |
| nuku | nice | 02:48 |
| trappist | nuku: should I file a bug, or does you knowing about it count? | 02:48 |
| nuku | hmm sounds like some kind of bug to me.. | 02:49 |
| trappist | and/or maybe xutils-dev should replace mkmf and imake | 02:49 |
| nuku | yep.. something like this | 02:49 |
| trappist | but there probably should be an additional build-dep on kdebase. | 02:50 |
| nuku | yes sounds like xutils-dev already has a replace imake in it so kdebase should have this as a build-dep if it is necessary to build it.. | 02:51 |
| trappist | there's already a bug on xutils-dev suggesting that imake/xmkmf be broken out into a separate package | 02:53 |
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| trappist | so I updated an existing bug on xutils-dev and filed a missing build-dep bug on kdebase | 03:12 |
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| trappist | kstars has the same problem: | 04:43 |
| trappist | kstars: Depends: kstars-data (< 4:3.5.5) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 04:43 |
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| NeoChaosX | uh, I got a question about Kubuntu's artwork | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | shoot | 05:37 |
| NeoChaosX | Launchpad and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuIcons indicate that the spec to get the Oxygen icons in Kubuntu Edgy have been completed | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | NeoChaosX: they wont be in edgy anyway. | 05:37 |
| NeoChaosX | Oh, I see | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | due to licencing | 05:38 |
| NeoChaosX | Ah, damn, oh well | 05:38 |
| nixternal | edgy+1 maybe, depending on the kde4 status at the time | 05:38 |
| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee! | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | hey nixternal | 05:39 |
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| n8k99 | imbrandon:ping | 05:49 |
| Hobbsee | hey n8k99 | 05:49 |
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| n8k99 | Hobbsee: hey | 05:50 |
| n8k99 | Hobbsee: drifted in here because of some issues i'm having with amarok | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 05:51 |
| n8k99 | keeps dropping the sound system | 05:52 |
| n8k99 | erm, alsa | 05:52 |
| n8k99 | maybe too quick or something- seems to work just fine now | 06:02 |
| n8k99 | nevermind me, yet again | 06:02 |
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| serzholino | ch1204 | 06:47 |
| serzholino | sorry, wrong channel | 06:47 |
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| Tonio_ | heya ;) | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: just saw your kate problems.... I had the same issues, and I tried the patch given there http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135045 | 10:48 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 135045 in general "Crash on various occasions" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: works for me so I sent it to Riddell | 10:48 |
| sebas | Tonio_: Ah, cool | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: ;) | 10:49 |
| sebas | If you have a patched package, I can try as well | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | grab kdelibs package from there and dpkg -i them, should work | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: I just have i386 package... | 10:50 |
| sebas | http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386/kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb This one? No ... | 10:51 |
| sebas | It's 37K only | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | yes, and kdelibs4c2a, and kdelibs-dbg | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know exactly which one has been changed by the patch, so better install all of them | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you receive my mail with kdebase and kdelibs patch ? | 10:56 |
| allee | heh cool, pkg-kde-extras repo is being added to a buildd network to build pkgs on sarge/etch/sid and dapper/edgy: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-extras/2006-October/001735.html | 11:12 |
| \sh | who is visiting the kde 10th birthday party? | 11:14 |
| sebas | Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/64801 | 11:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64801 in kdebase "crash in split mode" [Unknown,Unknown] | 11:16 |
| sebas | Thanks! | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: your servant ;) | 11:16 |
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| \sh | hmmm...since when is the "open link in new tab" right click action gone in konqui? | 11:22 |
| Tm_T | \sh: I have it | 11:24 |
| \sh | Tm_T: new edgy install or upgraded? I have a new edgy install | 11:25 |
| Tm_T | upgraded iirc | 11:26 |
| \sh | does anyone has a newly installed edgy (latest beta) with all package upgrades? | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: I have it too... | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: I have a recent edgy install with all upgrades | 11:39 |
| \sh | hmmm | 11:42 |
| \sh | uhg | 11:43 |
| \sh | konqui is intelligent | 11:43 |
| \sh | a link pointing to the same opened page ... doesn't show the "open link in new tab" action | 11:44 |
| \sh | I never saw this behaviour before... | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | \sh: hehe, funky | 11:47 |
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| Tonio_ | !lastspoke Riddell | 12:27 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about lastspoke Riddell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | hum, this misses :) | 12:28 |
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| Riddell | hmm? | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hey :), received my patches for 3.5.5 ? | 01:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes thanks | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: cool, sebas confirmed this morning the kate fix for kdelibs works | 01:02 |
| === Tonio_ is packaging jabbin | ||
| gnomefreak | is everyone aware konq. 3.5.4 and 3.5.5 has no boarders on some sites? | 01:15 |
| gnomefreak | i say some because thats what i was told | 01:15 |
| gnomefreak | http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/ is one of the sites | 01:16 |
| gnomefreak | yuck | 01:16 |
| gnomefreak | i think you can ignore than it does it with ff also sort of | 01:17 |
| sebas | gnomefreak: What borders? | 01:45 |
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| gnomefreak | the scroll bar for most part | 01:54 |
| gnomefreak | on that site i gave its only on the upper part of screen on FF its on the lower 3/4 of screen | 01:54 |
| gnomefreak | bug 64824 | 01:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64824 in kdebase "Some sites with frames don't display properly in Konqueror" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64824 | 01:55 |
| gnomefreak | there is a screen hsot there | 01:55 |
| gnomefreak | shot even | 01:56 |
| sebas | On Dapper 3.5.4 I get the scrollbar | 02:06 |
| gnomefreak | on edgy 3.5.5 i dont and reporter on 3.5.4 edgy doesnt either | 02:08 |
| gnomefreak | so i am thinking its an edgy regression | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: looks like konq doesn't like frames without options set | 02:17 |
| gnomefreak | Tonio_: is that something that can be changed? or its the sites? | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: I think it is konqueror | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: add scrolling="auto" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" to the frames and it works... | 02:19 |
| gnomefreak | ok thnak you | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: but technically, that's an html issue... | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: you can't blame a browser if it doesn't understand the webmaster definition of "defaults" :) | 02:20 |
| gnomefreak | i was thinking it was the sites but since FF does it it was weird | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: that's why those settings do exist | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: that's because firefox uses different "default" behavior for frames | 02:20 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 02:21 |
| gnomefreak | i leave bug in your hands to decide if it will be fixed or not but i dont see this as a really important thing | 02:21 |
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| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: hum, the problem looks a bit more complex in fact ;) | 02:24 |
| gnomefreak | ut oh | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | I'm playing with the code and I don't understand I must say... | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | I changed the code with a code that works on my websites admin panel | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | only frames target is different | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | on my website it works, but it fails with new targets.... | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | very nasty | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | <FRAMESET ROWS="80,*" BORDER=0> | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | <FRAME SRC="http://ship-of-fools.com/Ads/Pages/Bulletin_ad.html" SCROLLING=NO NAME="ad"> | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | <FRAME SRC="http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi" NAME="body"> | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | hahaha ;) | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | that's normal | 02:26 |
| Tonio_ | the right frame targets a pages that has frames that are defining this | 02:26 |
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| gnomefreak | lol | 02:27 |
| gnomefreak | good evening Hobbsee | 02:27 |
| sebas | So in fact, konqueror is fixed there :) | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | hey gnomefreak | 02:28 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: it looks like konqueror fails dealing with ROWS based frames | 02:28 |
| gnomefreak | well im not too worried about telling this guy its the sites if infact it is its the other guy that worries me | 02:29 |
| Tonio_ | the code is correct, but konqueror puts the second target in the first frame.... | 02:29 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: I'll play locally to really understand what is the problem and I'll report the bug | 02:29 |
| gnomefreak | ty Tonio_ | 02:29 |
| gnomefreak | again i dont feel its "real important" | 02:30 |
| gnomefreak | if there wasnt 3500 browsers out there than i would change my view on that | 02:30 |
| === gnomefreak still looking for a kubuntu package thats not too bad to package for practice :) | ||
| gnomefreak | how bad is katapult to build? | 02:33 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: it's mroe of a question on why you would... | 02:33 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: cause i wan tto learn and i already did the gnu hello 2 times | 02:34 |
| gnomefreak | want to | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | gnomefreak: yeah I know but that's weird :) | 02:34 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: ahh, right | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | pick something that looks interesting | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: iirc, ksudoku isnt too bad, it uses cdbs. | 02:34 |
| gnomefreak | other than the file changing its fun | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | ignore my changelog :P | 02:34 |
| gnomefreak | lol | 02:34 |
| gnomefreak | gonna try it :) | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: wanted to work on kopete ? | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: indeed. well, i'd like it to be fixed, really | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: and then to know how you did it. *g* | 02:40 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: okay, give me the infos you have ;) | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | what is the problem ? | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: okay. current kopete source is in edgy, newer kopete source is in kdenetwork. its' been split before, but we need to get it split again | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | ie, they havent released a separate tarball | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: so the kdenetwork version is more recent that's it ? | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: correct | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: okay, so why splitting it ? | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | let's get it built with kdenetwork and that's it ! | 02:41 |
| freeflying | hi all | 02:42 |
| Riddell | I'd rather not, it means changing stuff in rosetta as well as the archive | 02:42 |
| freeflying | I'm finally here :) | 02:42 |
| Riddell | and they might do another separate release | 02:42 |
| gnomefreak | ksudoku (0.3.orig-1) should i leave the .orig-1 in there whem i change it to a 1ubuntu1 | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: Riddell said why | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay then we have to extract the source from kdenetwork and upgrade the package...... | 02:42 |
| Hobbsee | !info ksudoku edgy | 02:42 |
| ubotu | ksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-4ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 119 kB, installed size 360 kB | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll do that today | 02:43 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: dapper build | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: uh? | 02:43 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: yes | 02:43 |
| gnomefreak | ty | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: even so. the dapper build was never that. | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | once jabbin package is ready and I blogged about voip and kubuntu :m) | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | sure you havent grabbed debian's by mistake? | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'll let you know, should be done toonight | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: cool :) | 02:43 |
| gnomefreak | im editing the debian change log | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | https://launchpad.net/bugs/59504 | 02:43 |
| gnomefreak | i grabbed ubuntus version | 02:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59504 in kdebase "Language packs broken in kde applications menus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 02:43 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if anyone knows about that ^ whole issue | ||
| Hobbsee | !info ksudoku dapper | 02:44 |
| ubotu | ksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 356 kB | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: that's an old and resolved issue | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: you can close the ticket | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: i'm positive you didnt. that version wasnt in dapper or edgy, as i've modified both :P | 02:44 |
| gnomefreak | i got it from packages.ubuntu.com :( | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: try apt-get source ksudoku? | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | and check in debian/changelog where it's from | 02:45 |
| gnomefreak | k | 02:46 |
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| gnomefreak | shoot | 02:46 |
| gnomefreak | i cant do that :( | 02:46 |
| gnomefreak | im on edgy with dapper pbuilder | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | grab the edgy one then? | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | they're not that different, iirc | 02:47 |
| gnomefreak | and just change the depends to dappers versions? | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | why do you want to change it for dapper? | 02:49 |
| gnomefreak | dont i have to with a dapper pbuilder? | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | *shrugs* | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | of course, you can always login to your dapper pbuilder, and grab the source from there if you want. *shrug* | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | pick anything | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | i doubt it'll matter | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | even your weird version is likely to work | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: what is the kdenetwork 3.5.5 kopete version ? | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: 0.12.3 | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | great thanks | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: done ;) I'll build and add the package on my repo so that we can test. | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: then I'll explain you the process | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: it's pretty easy | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: sounds good to me. | 02:58 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: fancy testing jabbin ? | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: not at the moment? | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: okay :) | 03:22 |
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| n8k99 | hello there | 03:51 |
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| n8k99 | imbrandon: howdy | 03:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm adding kipi-plugins for kubuntu-desktop | 04:01 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok | 04:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kopete is almost finished... I'm writing an ufe exception request too | 04:02 |
| mhb | hey folks | 04:02 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: cool, mdz is on holiday today though | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can wait a bit, no emergency :) | 04:03 |
| Tonio_ | hi mhb | 04:03 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: well, RC freeze is on thursday so can't wait too long | 04:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will be done today, don't worry :) | 04:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm preparing sip/voip packages so that we can work on that in the uds... jabbin is finished, wengophone polished a bit, and I'll prepare other ones, like latest twinkle etc...... | 04:05 |
| Riddell | nice | 04:06 |
| Riddell | I'll just sit and watch kdelibs compile again :) | 04:06 |
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| mhb | anyone looked at bug 35573 ? It's labeled incorrectly, at least ... | 04:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35573 | 04:08 |
| mhb | there is a lot of duplicates of this one, it is also confirmed by many people with enough details, IMO | 04:09 |
| fdoving | hmm.. interesting. | 04:12 |
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| mhb | Tonio_: need jabbin tested? | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: yes ;) | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org | 04:28 |
| mhb | Tonio_: my voice is probably not as beautiful as Hobbsee's but I have little time | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: I can't test it unfortunately | 04:28 |
| mhb | oh | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | my microphone doesn't work on ubuntu, but feel free to find another tester :) | 04:29 |
| === Hobbsee certainly does not have a beautiful voice :P | ||
| Hobbsee | its' all high pitched. | 04:29 |
| === mhb has not yet met a girl/woman that had an ugly voice :o) | ||
| mhb | aanyway, Tonio_ , when somebody else volunteers, I'm here | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: great ;) | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: any infos concerning kopete changelog ? that would be usefull for uvf exception request | 04:34 |
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| Hobbsee | Tonio_: they dont seem to have one | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: depends if they're screaming at you :P | 04:36 |
| bddebian | Heya | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: that's an issue :) mdz will not accept if we don't have precise informations concerning the bugs closed | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | true | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'll try to get the svn changelog..... | 04:36 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'm sure there are many closed bugs, but without a changelog....... that will not help... | 04:40 |
| === Hobbsee cheers like a maniac. | ||
| Hobbsee | ahem. | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: true that. mattr didnt have a current changelog for it on hand. if we bug him, he might | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: can you do this ? he may know you better than I do :) | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: he doesnt | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | but i can try | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hehe thanks :) | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | later :) | 04:41 |
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| Hobbsee | let me celebrate a bit first :) | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: celebrate what ? | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: there are some evil maths quizzes that i have to pass for uni. they're really horrible and unforgiving | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | i *finally* passed one of them | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | there are 6 | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | and they regularly send me mad. | 04:42 |
| === allee congrats Hobbsee | ||
| Tonio_ | congrats !! | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I love mathematics :) | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | they saved my studies several times :) | 04:44 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: good work :o) | 04:44 |
| === mhb likes math as well | ||
| Hobbsee | i dont mind it, usually. but these quizzes are beyond horrible | 04:45 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: you have an example of "horrible" ? :o) | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | for example, while I got a 4/20 in phylosophy and 5/20 in german, I got 20/20 at Higher Leaving Certificate | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | i do, but.. | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | that helped a bit to get it ;) | 04:46 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: link maybe? | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | http://rutherglen.ics.mq.edu.au/math136s206/quizzes.html | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | log in as guest, guest | 04:46 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: which one did you pass? | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: 3 | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: 4 should be accessible I think | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | equations isn't the harder part | 04:51 |
| mhb | hm ... it offers me a perl file | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | true | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: ah, you need adobe reader | 04:52 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: no kpdf or the like? | 04:52 |
| mhb | awww | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 04:53 |
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| jdong_ | all you guidance gods out there, my DPMS timeout increases by like 2 hours every time I log in :D | 05:22 |
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| jdong_ | Hobbsee: wrong jdong | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh...oops | 05:22 |
| jdong_ | Hobbsee: and that was pretty on topic :) | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | should i boot the other? | 05:22 |
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| jdong_ | heh, apparently it's fixed in svn | 05:24 |
| jdong_ | never mind then | 05:24 |
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| trappist | what's with the move to not-kde-355 in the kubuntu repo? | 05:26 |
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| alain_ | hello | 05:34 |
| alain_ | I have a problem with my sound system | 05:35 |
| alain_ | if i select automatically detect, system freezes for 5 sec, then I get a cpu overload warning | 05:35 |
| alain_ | if I manually select open sound system, everything is fine | 05:36 |
| alain_ | if I run artsd from command line, i also get the cpu overload | 05:36 |
| alain_ | i have artsd 1.5.4 | 05:36 |
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| alain_ | i can't find the artsd package in the bugtracker | 05:43 |
| alain_ | all i find is | 05:44 |
| alain_ | libarts1c2a: | 05:44 |
| alain_ | aRts sound system core components | 05:44 |
| alain_ | nobody here? | 05:50 |
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| mhb | alain_: sorry, this is actually no support channel | 05:52 |
| mhb | alain_: the support channel is in #kubuntu | 05:53 |
| alain_ | mhb its no support request... | 05:53 |
| mhb | alain_: it sounds like an unconfirmed bug, which is nothing the devs should be concerned about | 05:55 |
| mhb | alain_: if you don't know the package for this bug file it under "kubuntu-meta" | 05:55 |
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| hunger | The cdrom icon on my desktop vanished recently. Is that a known bug? | 06:28 |
| hunger | Its label is displayed and the icon appears when I touch it with the mouse. | 06:28 |
| nixternal | what happened to the kde-3.5.5 repos? | 06:30 |
| nixternal | did they get moved? | 06:30 |
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| Riddell | yes | 06:32 |
| Riddell | distrowatched decided to publish them | 06:32 |
| Hawkwind | Why on earth did they decide to do that | 06:32 |
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| Riddell | god knows, I e-mailed them | 06:34 |
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| nixternal | haha | 06:45 |
| nixternal | oh well, any plans on "re-releasing" them at all for updates and what not? | 06:46 |
| Riddell | they're available under not-kde-355 | 06:47 |
| jdong | someone fill me in on the whole not-kde-355 thing? | 06:48 |
| nixternal | haha ok..i seen that and just wondered | 06:49 |
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| mhb | hmm ... dist-upgrade and then install kubuntu-desktop or what will be the recommended upgrade procedure? | 06:53 |
| mhb | I'd like to test exactly that what the users will be told to do | 06:53 |
| Riddell | mhb: I'm undecided | 06:53 |
| Riddell | but it doesn't seem like we can get a dist-upgrade that'll do the right thing | 06:54 |
| Riddell | so probably dist-upgrade then install kubuntu-desktop | 06:54 |
| fdoving | how does gnome-ubuntu handle that? | 06:57 |
| Riddell | they have a dist-upgrade tool that has special algorithms | 06:59 |
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| fdoving | we should get that too :) | 06:59 |
| Riddell | it'll be an edgy+1 target to get one | 06:59 |
| fdoving | nice. | 06:59 |
| fdoving | i'll need to learn c++. | 06:59 |
| Riddell | it's python | 06:59 |
| _Sime | Riddell: FWIW, I've been hacking on mountconfig a bit to get the UUIDs working well. But there is little chance of that making the Edgy release considering that we are in RC territory already. | 06:59 |
| mhb | I need to work without sleeping :o) | 06:59 |
| fdoving | .. and python.. :) | 07:00 |
| mhb | and learn to live without sleep | 07:00 |
| fdoving | .. stop sleeping, stop eating.. stop other jobs.. stop spending time with family.. etc. | 07:01 |
| Riddell | _Sime: ok, thanks | 07:01 |
| _Sime | Riddell: it will have to be an update after we here have tested it. | 07:02 |
| Riddell | should be do-able if the diff is readable | 07:04 |
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| Lure | Riddell: I am trying to update my dapper -> edgy | 07:25 |
| fdoving | hmm.. where is adept svn/bzr/cvs located? is it public? | 07:25 |
| Lure | Riddell: why does kubuntu-desktop get removed? | 07:25 |
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| Riddell | Lure: it's because of python | 07:29 |
| Riddell | fdoving: kde svn, playground/admin | 07:29 |
| Lure | Riddell: so just install kubuntu-dekstop after? | 07:29 |
| Riddell | Lure: seems to be the best we can offer yes | 07:29 |
| fdoving | Riddell: thanks. | 07:29 |
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| zorglu_ | i just noticed that kernel-headers-2.6.15-26-386 package is no more availble, which channel should i use to talk about this ? | 07:51 |
| fdoving | #ubuntu-kernel i guess? | 07:53 |
| zorglu_ | ok thanks | 07:53 |
| Lure | Riddell: will kde 355 land in edgy? | 08:07 |
| _Sime | how come "Manager repositories" is always disabled in Adept in Edgy? | 08:09 |
| Riddell | Lure: don't know yet, waiting on an answer from mdz | 08:09 |
| Riddell | _Sime: don't know that either, but it's a priorirty to get fixed | 08:09 |
| _Sime | It's been like that for ages. I thought maybe I was missing some peice of info. | 08:10 |
| Riddell | it could be, I really don't know | 08:15 |
| nuku | oh one thing about kde355 anyone else notices the big delay for hiding the panel icon mouseover effects even when they are shown partly? | 08:15 |
| Riddell | it was top of my list of things to look at then I got snowed under in there new releases | 08:15 |
| nuku | (using the kubuntu.org packages on edgy) | 08:16 |
| Riddell | nuku: yes | 08:16 |
| Riddell | although it doesn't bother me | 08:16 |
| toma | Riddell: that was a commit of dirk, let met dig up the details for you | 08:17 |
| nuku | Riddell: ok just curious if i was the only one.. do you know if there is a bugs.kde.org entry for it? | 08:18 |
| toma | nuku: one sec pls | 08:18 |
| nuku | sure .. no hurry | 08:18 |
| toma | Riddell, nuku: iirc it was a fix for https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204728 | 08:20 |
| Ubugtu | bugzilla.novell.com bug 204728 in KDE "kicker consumes too much cpu time with a vertical orientation and a custom width of 49" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 08:20 |
| toma | hmm, maybe i'm confused, this one might be better: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=115995421220057&w=2 | 08:21 |
| nuku | it seems that it is already worked on it: " kickertip.cpp 593043 3 days aseigo lower the time the tip shows except for taskbar, pager and clock where it makes ... " | 08:25 |
| nuku | ah and the tags/3.5.5 has also been retagged for those files.. looks good :) | 08:29 |
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| xeros | hi | 08:39 |
| fdoving | wow. xrdp is nice. | 08:51 |
| gnomefreak | are the 3.5.5 repos not working? | 08:53 |
| Riddell | they're hidden | 08:53 |
| gnomefreak | http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages is failing and its not even in the sources.list file like that | 08:53 |
| gnomefreak | recently? | 08:54 |
| sebas | They've been moved after distrowatch posted a link | 08:54 |
| gnomefreak | today was only day they have been failing | 08:54 |
| gnomefreak | oh | 08:54 |
| gnomefreak | can i have new one? | 08:54 |
| Riddell | we'd need to interrogate you first to make sure you weren't the source of the leak to distrowatch | 08:55 |
| gnomefreak | ok | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | distrowatch posted a link ? | 08:55 |
| imbrandon | wow ( /me gusess it was someone on the -devel ML ) | 08:56 |
| gnomefreak | distrowatch as in the website that posts new distros? | 08:56 |
| xeros | gnomefreak: yes, someone gave them the link for the repos | 08:57 |
| === gnomefreak hasnt been to distrowatch since i got ubuntu during hoary | ||
| imbrandon | heya Riddell gnomefreak | 08:57 |
| gnomefreak | imbrandon: hello :) | 08:57 |
| trappist | the link isn't really hard to find, yaknow | 08:57 |
| trappist | if they found it the same way I did, they'll prolly find the new one the same way I did | 08:57 |
| imbrandon | ohhhhhhhh qt4 php bindings , wow | 08:58 |
| gnomefreak | trappist: im sure if someone got it they could have built their own so there are prolly many of them out there | 08:58 |
| trappist | also true | 08:58 |
| === trappist doesn't see the harm | ||
| === gnomefreak sticks to official, imbrandon ,amarnth repos :) | ||
| gnomefreak | with a jdong repo sometimes | 08:58 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 08:59 |
| gnomefreak | lol it wasnt that bad in breezy | 08:59 |
| === imbrandon could have done without the cursing | ||
| gnomefreak | oh and Hawkwind if he gets it up for edgy | 08:59 |
| Hawkwind | If there were 36 hours in a day it *might* be close to being done :P | 09:01 |
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| gnomefreak | lol | 09:03 |
| gnomefreak | take your time | 09:03 |
| DaSkreech | Are the streams in Amarok all .ogg? | 09:04 |
| imbrandon | no | 09:05 |
| n8k99 | DaSreech: no, many of them are mp3 | 09:05 |
| imbrandon | streams are what ever the source is streaming , it could be aac , oog etc | 09:05 |
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| imbrandon | ogg* | 09:05 |
| imbrandon | heya n8k99 | 09:05 |
| mhb | hm ... dist-upgraded but kubuntu-desktop still refuses to upgrade (BREAK-upgrade) ... | 09:05 |
| n8k99 | imbrandon hi there | 09:05 |
| n8k99 | yikes just had a real window crash! scared the little girl! | 09:06 |
| DaSkreech | Just wondering why we don't ship with .ogg streams by default | 09:07 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech, check the amarok faq, its listed in there as to why | 09:08 |
| gnomefreak | mp3 smaller? | 09:08 |
| n8k99 | not many a lot of ogg streams? | 09:08 |
| DaSkreech | We have to follow the Amarok defaults :( | 09:08 |
| DaSkreech | n8k99: More than you think | 09:08 |
| imbrandon | no DaSkreech but its the same reason | 09:08 |
| DaSkreech | Ok | 09:10 |
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| imbrandon | basicly there isnt enough stable good ogg streams and if you know of them then submit them to amarok, end of story | 09:10 |
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| DaSkreech | Ah. | 09:11 |
| DaSkreech | well the Vorbis.com site has a good selection | 09:11 |
| imbrandon | sweet, well like i said, poke them | 09:11 |
| DaSkreech | Has anyone made an attempt to collate some streams? | 09:11 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech, probably not a developer no, you will ahve better luck in #amarok | 09:12 |
| imbrandon | s/ahve/have | 09:12 |
| DaSkreech | Well Iwas thining of just throwing up a wiki page and seeing if I could get it mentioned on fridge etc | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech, and its not just getting a list, its getting a list of STABLE streams that have been there for months/years and will continute to be | 09:13 |
| DaSkreech | I know | 09:13 |
| DaSkreech | Which is why I want to know if there has been an attempt at gathering | 09:13 |
| imbrandon | DaSkreech, great but again , #amarok , not really a development issue | 09:13 |
| DaSkreech | Better to work as one than start something new | 09:13 |
| DaSkreech | Good point :) | 09:14 |
| DaSkreech | 3.5.5 this week? | 09:14 |
| === DaSkreech hates being out of the loop :( | ||
| === mhb hates data transfer limits | ||
| gnomefreak | DaSkreech: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/71292/index.html that does not mean kubuntu is releasing it but normally its close | 09:15 |
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| gnomefreak | Riddell: when you get time please pm and i will answer any questions you have. | 09:20 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: questions to what? | 09:34 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: the interogation ;) | 09:34 |
| Riddell | oh well just "did you do it"? | 09:34 |
| Riddell | or maybe, "did you do it, punk?" to me more interrogating like | 09:35 |
| mhb | Riddell: dist-upgraded but still couldn't install kubuntu-desktop (BREAK-upgrade) ... trying classical "upgrade" now | 09:35 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: no | 09:35 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: sorted :) | 09:35 |
| gnomefreak | that was almost too easy :) | 09:36 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: it's at not-kde-355 by the way | 09:36 |
| Riddell | mhb: so you did apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ? | 09:36 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok | 09:36 |
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| mhb | Riddell: well, the equivalent Adept actions | 09:38 |
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| n8k99 | Riddell: i just got a size mismatch error | 09:38 |
| mhb | Riddell: then Adept refused to upgrade kubuntu-desktop | 09:38 |
| n8k99 | for apt-get dist-upgrade | 09:39 |
| Riddell | n8k99: on 3.5.5? | 09:39 |
| n8k99 | yes sir | 09:39 |
| Riddell | n8k99: it's updating just now, don't use it | 09:39 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: ^^ | 09:39 |
| imbrandon | heh | 09:40 |
| n8k99 | ok | 09:40 |
| gnomefreak | ach | 09:40 |
| gnomefreak | ack | 09:40 |
| gnomefreak | ok i stopped it | 09:40 |
| imbrandon | gnomefreak, no big deal, just ^c then restart it when its finished ;) | 09:40 |
| gnomefreak | i did | 09:40 |
| imbrandon | ( after an apt-get update ) | 09:40 |
| gnomefreak | i stopped it during update | 09:41 |
| imbrandon | yea just dont reboot ;) | 09:41 |
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| gnomefreak | k | 09:42 |
| nixternal | imbrandon: the stupid math thing gave you an issue ey? | 09:43 |
| nixternal | i may just remove it for the time being, and see how much spam collects..i turned on a massively hacked akismet, so hopefully that will suffice | 09:44 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, yea , it told me 7 x 9 wasent 63 | 09:44 |
| nixternal | haha | 09:44 |
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| nixternal | i will go through and look at the code for that | 09:44 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, i use a diffrent one that checks against rtbl and no issues yet | 09:45 |
| nixternal | link me if you get a chance | 09:45 |
| imbrandon | one sefc | 09:45 |
| imbrandon | sec* | 09:45 |
| imbrandon | err actualy is the A* one but it dosent do the math stuff | 09:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: bug 64907 > you can approve :) | 09:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 64907 in kopete "3.5.4+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1 -> 3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64907 | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: hey ! | 09:48 |
| imbrandon | heya Tonio_ | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon you should commit your kds changes to bzr.... | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon if you don't they'll be overwritten by next upgrade | 09:48 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, i tried but bzr kept timing out | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon ah ? | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon want me to give a try ? | 09:48 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, no they wont, whomever does the next update will have to commit it it wont let the same version upload ;) | 09:49 |
| imbrandon | sure | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon well if you follox the process to upgrade kds, you have to checkout svn to get the package :) | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon that's why this would overwrite the current package.... | 09:49 |
| imbrandon | right i did , infact i was the first, but as i said it times out for me | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | but yes, I can understand your point of view.... | 09:50 |
| imbrandon | no it wouldent becouse as soon as you dput it it would reject it | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | hum, I'll try to commit toonight, maybe I'll have more chance :) | 09:50 |
| imbrandon | as being the same version | 09:50 |
| imbrandon | e.g if you bzr checked it out right now and dch -i it would be -55 | 09:50 |
| imbrandon | if you tried to dput that it would reject it | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon true :) | 09:51 |
| imbrandon | but yea if you wanna try to commit it cool i only changed the kubuntu-artwoirk-usplash.postinstall | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | but let the person packaging before redoing everything is unfair ^^ ;) | 09:52 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, i agree | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon btw it is not your fault | 09:52 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon I just packaged jabbin today to prepare the uds... I'll try to package any qt/kde voip client to that we can talk about that, compare and make a choice for edgy+1 | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | that's important I think | 09:53 |
| imbrandon | yea i was thinking the same thing ther was/is a bounty for it from paris uds | 09:53 |
| imbrandon | but no one ever did it | 09:53 |
| imbrandon | have you tried the twinkle that was sugested? | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | and maybe goldenear forget me with wengophone now jabbin is packaged :) | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon yes I did | 09:54 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon very nice, but sip dedicated only, and no video support on the way...... | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, btw did you see that wengophone was putting stuff in /opt | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | but technically it is a very nice sip client | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon hehe yes, I packaged it to put everything in /opt :) | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | video is not important to me, infact i would be happy if it DIDENT have video | 09:54 |
| imbrandon | as 99% of people dont have cams let alone working cams | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon in fact, as it is a multiplateform client, it is coded to have the same files in one folder only, like an ms application or googleearth | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | and the "less dirty" way to do in that case is /opt | 09:55 |
| imbrandon | yea but if it go's in the repos stuff cant go into /opt iirc | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon yes I agree, but sip is in my opinion to complicated for Joe | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | I think the default solution has to be an IM, with jingle support for example | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | maybe the solution will be kopete, who knows :) | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon hu ? | 09:56 |
| imbrandon | if they would fix kopete to use the new jingle yes | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | if it goes to the repos ic can't be /opt ? | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | is that a policy violation ? | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | no debian policy says no stuff in /opt iirc , i could be wrong | 09:57 |
| Riddell | it's correct | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | opt is for 3rd party only | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | hum.... I don't remember this.... I'll have a look | 09:57 |
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| Riddell | although I'm pondering about asking if we can use /opt for kde 4 | 09:57 |
| imbrandon | yea so we can have both | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | well, I can change the package to put everything in /usr/share/wengophone.... that wouldn't make any difference | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | 3 and 4 | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | but I think a binary file in /usr/share is REALLY worst than in /opt | 09:58 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, yea that would be better imho | 09:58 |
| trappist | I've always viewed /opt as a place for statically compiled stuff I can keep around from distro to distro | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | that's not policy convenient but better in my opinion | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon but okay, let's go with the strict policy application | 09:58 |
| gnomefreak | trappist: i use it for stuff i compile like FF and TB | 09:58 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon appart from that, how was your test with riddell ? | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | unstable I assume ? :) | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | well i could never hear anyone | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | but they could hear me | 09:59 |
| imbrandon | sooooo , dunno really | 09:59 |
| trappist | gnomefreak: but everything I've ever installed that went to /opt because the package said so, was like that: a 3rd party package, statically compiled so as to be distro-independent. I personally put other stuff like fonts in there, but I've come to expect that only distro-independent stuff will be there. | 10:00 |
| imbrandon | phone , brbr | 10:00 |
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| gnomefreak | the sound bells make? | 10:00 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 10:00 |
| n8k99 | oh! how simple | 10:01 |
| DaSkreech | The project? | 10:02 |
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| mhb | I don't like /opt .o) a bit late, I know | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon the problem is that a log file chmoded to 777 in /usr/share isn't really better | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | but well....... wengophone is a mess anyway :) | 10:09 |
| mhb | hm, Adept upgrade failed as well, I'm going to bed | 10:10 |
| mhb | good night all | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon I'm patching to disable all logging | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | that's the best I can doo | 10:16 |
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| jdong | can someone enlighten me on kde-355 vs not-kde-355?? | 10:43 |
| DaSkreech | Round one! | 10:44 |
| Lure | Riddell: it looks like dapper -> edgy requires the following steps: update, dist-upgrade (will remove kubuntu-desktop), dist-upgrade (to get upstart instead of sysvinit), install kubuntu-desktop, dist-upgrade (to upgrade kde-guidance) and still plenty of python packages are "kept back" | 10:48 |
| DaSkreech | Sooo reinstall then for those lucky to have a /home partition | 10:48 |
| fdoving | that's a bit complex to the regular desktop user. | 10:49 |
| fdoving | is it possible to make a new kubuntu-desktop-6.10 package that fixes everything? | 10:50 |
| jdong | fdoving: dist-upgrader works around that quite well | 10:50 |
| jdong | why can't we get a kde frontend to taht? | 10:51 |
| Lure | jdong: I hope we can get one for edgy+1 | 10:51 |
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| imbrandon | jdong, not-kde-355 becouse someone leaked it to distrowatch | 10:56 |
| jdong | imbrandon: I see. so it's not meant for the public eyes? | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | no, it never was announced , and stated developers only | 10:57 |
| imbrandon | its not even released yet | 10:58 |
| jdong | ah, I see | 10:58 |
| imbrandon | jdong, and as far as dist-upgrader no one has written a kde front end | 10:58 |
| imbrandon | but it has been asked for anyone that wants to, go for it | 10:58 |
| jdong | imbrandon: I am aware of that; and I figured it was one of those "go do it" type of things :) | 10:59 |
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| jdong | if there's not yet a cli client to dist-upgrader, I might hack that out :D | 11:00 |
| jdong | because dist-upgrade is simply not doing the job anymore... | 11:00 |
| Riddell | the problem is the lack of konsole part in pykde | 11:00 |
| Lure | Riddell: I think there was some discussion to have CLI version for server - this would be still better than just dist-upgrade | 11:01 |
| jdong | I | 11:02 |
| jdong | sorry | 11:02 |
| jdong | I'd settle for a console frontend to dist-upgrader anyday | 11:02 |
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| nuku | ruby/korundum has a libkonsolepart ;) | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon I just finished wengophone, but I had to patch to stop logging to files, since a 777 file in /usr/share is really weird too... | 11:38 |
| insanekane | im sure you are aware, but anyway, google just bought youtube | 11:59 |
| Hawkwind | Yeah, definitely quite old news unfortunately | 12:02 |
| insanekane | Hawkwind: oh, whats new then ? | 12:05 |
| Hawkwind | Nothing new at the moment. Though I'm watching sports news to find out all the good info in life :P | 12:06 |
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