fdovingimbrandon: status? 12:22
fdovingi've got cowbuilder setup now. with gcc-4.1-powerpc :)12:22
fdovingcurrently downloading adept build-deps to test.12:23
fdovingbut this slow 784kbps connection is ... slow.12:23
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Tm_Tok, partially finnish text problem is located12:45
Tm_Tsomehow KDE fallbacks en_GB to next lang selection, finnish12:45
Tm_Tdunno if this is how it is supposed to work12:46
Riddellmhb: yes, it is12:55
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Tm_Tit is, stupid me01:01
DaSkreechRiddell: can I lodge a small protest?01:17
RiddellDaSkreech: I am your humble servant01:18
DaSkreechthe bootsplash can take commands correct?01:18
DaSkreechother than esc?01:19
Riddellit can show progress01:19
Riddellthat's about it01:19
DaSkreechWell yeah that's what I'm getting at01:19
DaSkreechNot showing progress (messages) is pretty distracting01:19
Riddellit does show progress01:20
DaSkreechWell it shows a bar01:20
DaSkreechthe lack of messages is distractin01:20
Riddellusers don't care about lots of scrolling text01:21
Riddelland I don't care for it either01:21
Riddellbut you're complaining to the wrong dude, you want a usplash developer01:21
HawkwindYou can change that in your /etc/boot/menu.lst file anyways01:21
DaSkreechHawkwind: ok thought that it was masked out by the Image01:22
HawkwindDaSkreech: Well, I haven't  seen a boot splash image in years except during initial install of the OS.  I disable them immediately01:22
DaSkreechThey are kinda pretty and I reboot so infrequently that I normally don't care either way but been playing with the edgy Live CD and I find my nerves are on edge cause the boot is soo silent01:24
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gnomefreakimbrandon: ping01:33
=== gnomefreak thinks i found this issue with amarok crashing
gnomefreaki asked them to install arts-dbg and runt he backtrace. a vaguely remember ars crashing amarok a few times here01:34
gnomefreakbug 52155 is the bug im talking about01:35
UbugtuMalone bug 52155 in amarok "Amarok crashes when playing .mp3, .wma, and .ogg files" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5215501:35
trappisthas anyone noticed the uninstallable kdelibs due to unsatisfied kdelibs-data version in 355, or should I mention it here?01:36
gnomefreaki havent seen that issue. why are you uninstalling kdelibs?01:39
trappistI failed to notice it and ended up with a pretty bare, backgroundless, kickerless kde01:39
trappistgnomefreak: I upgraded to 355, and kdelibs was uninstallable (couldn't be installed, not could be uninstalled)01:40
gnomefreaki didnt see that from my upgrade :( i wish i would have01:40
trappistno you don't :)01:40
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trappistas it turns out, a few things depend on kdelibs ;)01:40
trappistI apt-get sourced kdelibs and changed the deps and am now rebuilding01:41
trappistand it just now finished.01:41
trappistwish I could remember the exact details, but it wanted kdelibs-data 3.5.5 and got 3.5.5-0ubuntu1 or vice versa01:43
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trappistdang, other similar problems: kcontrol: Depends: kdebase-data (< 4:3.5.5) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed01:45
trappistand many more like that01:45
trappistah well, this is why I did this while the missus was out of town.  she hates it when I break the computer.01:51
Riddelltrappist: dapper or edgy?01:53
Riddelltrappist: what does  apt-cache policy kcontrol  say?01:54
trappistwell now that you mention it, it looks like it wants to install 3.5.4 from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main01:55
trappistwhich doesn't really match what I pasted above01:55
trappistand apt-get build-dep kdebase wants to remove nvidia-glx x-window-system-core xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core and so on.  that's odd.01:57
trappistoh, because:02:00
trappistdpkg-checkbuilddeps: Build conflicts: nvidia-glx02:00
trappistRiddell: do you know that build conflict to be accurate?02:01
trappistand if so, why?02:01
nukuyes its correct ..02:01
nukui happend to see it too :)02:01
Riddelltrappist: yes it is02:02
nukuits because there are problems with shared building against the nvidia libs02:02
trappistnuku: problems building it for public consumption, or should I expect problems here on my nvidia machine?02:02
nukuno only for public buliding .. works fine when you just use it local02:02
trappistok that's what I was looking for, thanks02:02
nukuplus kdebase just use it in kcontrol for the opengl info panel02:03
trappistseems to be a missing build-dep somewhere for kdebase.  checking X paths... failed; configure: error: /usr/bin/xmkmf (imake) failed.; Make sure you have all necessary X development packages installed.02:05
trappistseems to be due to no /usr/X1102:18
trappistnm on that.02:22
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nukuatleast xmkmf is in xutils-dev.. wonder whats going wrong ..i had no problems building kdebase with installing all build-dep but the nvidia-glx02:27
trappistyeah I haven't tracked it down yet either02:29
trappistthe failed test is:02:33
trappistif imake -I/usr/lib/X11/config -DTOPDIR=/etc/X11 -DCURDIR=. /etc/X11 >&5 2>&1 && test -f Makefile; then02:33
trappistwhich I can't quite test outside the configure script02:34
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nukuhave you installed xutils-dev ?02:43
trappistif I copy the contents of /etc/X11/config/cf to conftestdir and cd to there, the test passes02:44
trappistnuku: as it turns out, no02:44
trappistbut installing it will uninstall imake... trying anyway02:44
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nukuhmm imake is not in edgy as it seems.. maybe something from a former dapper installation?!02:46
trappistoh, xutils-dev provides imake.  I guess that's the missing build-dep.02:46
trappistnuku: very likely02:46
trappistalso provides xmkmf02:47
trappistwee, that did it.02:48
trappistnuku: should I file a bug, or does you knowing about it count?02:48
nukuhmm sounds like some kind of bug to me..02:49
trappistand/or maybe xutils-dev should replace mkmf and imake02:49
nukuyep.. something like this02:49
trappistbut there probably should be an additional build-dep on kdebase.02:50
nukuyes sounds like xutils-dev already has a replace imake in it so kdebase should have this as a build-dep if it is necessary to build it..02:51
trappistthere's already a bug on xutils-dev suggesting that imake/xmkmf be broken out into a separate package02:53
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trappistso I updated an existing bug on xutils-dev and filed a missing build-dep bug on kdebase03:12
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trappistkstars has the same problem:04:43
trappistkstars: Depends: kstars-data (< 4:3.5.5) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed04:43
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NeoChaosXuh, I got a question about Kubuntu's artwork05:36
NeoChaosXLaunchpad and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuIcons indicate that the spec to get the Oxygen icons in Kubuntu Edgy have been completed05:37
HobbseeNeoChaosX: they wont be in edgy anyway.05:37
NeoChaosXOh, I see05:37
Hobbseedue to licencing05:38
NeoChaosXAh, damn, oh well05:38
nixternaledgy+1 maybe, depending on the kde4 status at the time05:38
nixternalhiya Hobbsee!05:38
Hobbseehey nixternal 05:39
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Hobbseehey n8k99 05:49
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n8k99Hobbsee: hey05:50
n8k99Hobbsee: drifted in here because of some issues i'm having with amarok05:50
n8k99keeps dropping the sound system 05:52
n8k99erm, alsa05:52
n8k99maybe too quick or something- seems to work just fine now06:02
n8k99nevermind me, yet again06:02
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serzholinosorry, wrong channel06:47
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Tonio_heya ;)10:47
Tonio_sebas: just saw your kate problems.... I had the same issues, and I tried the patch given there http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13504510:48
UbugtuKDE bug 135045 in general "Crash on various occasions" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]  10:48
Tonio_sebas: works for me so I sent it to Riddell10:48
sebasTonio_: Ah, cool10:48
Tonio_sebas: ;)10:49
sebasIf you have a patched package, I can try as well10:49
Tonio_sebas: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org10:49
Tonio_grab kdelibs package from there and dpkg -i them, should work10:49
Tonio_sebas: I just have i386 package...10:50
sebashttp://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386/kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb This one? No ... 10:51
sebasIt's 37K only 10:51
Tonio_yes, and kdelibs4c2a, and kdelibs-dbg10:51
Tonio_I don't know exactly which one has been changed by the patch, so better install all of them10:52
Tonio_Riddell: did you receive my mail with kdebase and kdelibs patch ?10:56
alleeheh cool, pkg-kde-extras repo is being added to a buildd network to build pkgs on sarge/etch/sid and dapper/edgy: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-extras/2006-October/001735.html11:12
\shwho is visiting the kde 10th birthday party?11:14
sebasTonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/6480111:16
UbugtuMalone bug 64801 in kdebase "crash in split mode" [Unknown,Unknown]  11:16
Tonio_sebas: your servant ;)11:16
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\shhmmm...since when is the "open link in new tab" right click action gone in konqui?11:22
Tm_T\sh: I have it11:24
\shTm_T: new edgy install or upgraded? I have a new edgy install11:25
Tm_Tupgraded iirc11:26
\shdoes anyone has a newly installed edgy (latest beta) with all package upgrades?11:28
Tonio_\sh: I have it too...11:39
Tonio_\sh: I have a recent edgy install with all upgrades11:39
\shkonqui is intelligent11:43
\sha link pointing to the same opened page ... doesn't show the "open link in new tab" action11:44
\shI never saw this behaviour before...11:44
Tonio_\sh: hehe, funky11:47
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Tonio_!lastspoke Riddell12:27
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about lastspoke Riddell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:27
Tonio_hum, this misses :)12:28
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Tonio_Riddell: hey :), received my patches for 3.5.5 ?01:00
RiddellTonio_: yes thanks01:01
Tonio_Riddell: cool, sebas confirmed this morning the kate fix for kdelibs works01:02
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gnomefreakis everyone aware konq. 3.5.4 and 3.5.5 has no boarders on some sites?01:15
gnomefreaki say some because thats what i was told01:15
gnomefreakhttp://forum.ship-of-fools.com/   is one of the sites01:16
gnomefreaki think you can ignore than it does it with ff also sort of01:17
sebasgnomefreak: What borders?01:45
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gnomefreakthe scroll bar for most part01:54
gnomefreakon that site i gave its only on the upper part of screen on FF its on the lower 3/4 of screen01:54
gnomefreakbug 6482401:55
UbugtuMalone bug 64824 in kdebase "Some sites with frames don't display properly in Konqueror" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6482401:55
gnomefreakthere is a screen hsot there01:55
gnomefreakshot even01:56
sebasOn Dapper 3.5.4 I get the scrollbar02:06
gnomefreakon edgy 3.5.5 i dont and reporter on 3.5.4 edgy doesnt either02:08
gnomefreakso i am thinking its an edgy regression 02:09
Tonio_gnomefreak: looks like konq doesn't like frames without options set02:17
gnomefreakTonio_: is that something that can be changed? or its the sites?02:18
Tonio_gnomefreak: I think it is konqueror02:19
Tonio_gnomefreak: add  scrolling="auto" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0"  to the frames and it works...02:19
gnomefreakok thnak you02:19
Tonio_gnomefreak: but technically, that's an html issue...02:19
Tonio_gnomefreak: you can't blame a browser if it doesn't understand the webmaster definition of "defaults" :)02:20
gnomefreaki was thinking it was the sites but since FF does it it was weird02:20
Tonio_gnomefreak: that's why those settings do exist02:20
Tonio_gnomefreak: that's because firefox uses different "default" behavior for frames02:20
gnomefreaki leave bug in your hands to decide if it will be fixed or not but i dont see this as a really important thing02:21
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Tonio_gnomefreak: hum, the problem looks a bit more complex in fact ;)02:24
gnomefreakut oh02:24
Tonio_I'm playing with the code and I don't understand I must say...02:25
Tonio_I changed the code with a code that works on my websites admin panel02:25
Tonio_only frames target is different02:25
Tonio_on my website it works, but it fails with new targets....02:25
Tonio_very nasty02:25
Tonio_<FRAMESET ROWS="80,*" BORDER=0>02:26
Tonio_<FRAME SRC="http://ship-of-fools.com/Ads/Pages/Bulletin_ad.html" SCROLLING=NO NAME="ad">02:26
Tonio_<FRAME SRC="http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi" NAME="body">02:26
Tonio_hahaha ;)02:26
Tonio_that's normal02:26
Tonio_the right frame targets a pages that has frames that are defining this02:26
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gnomefreakgood evening Hobbsee 02:27
sebasSo in fact, konqueror is fixed there :)02:28
Hobbseehey gnomefreak 02:28
Tonio_gnomefreak: it looks like konqueror fails dealing with ROWS based frames02:28
gnomefreakwell im not too worried about telling this guy its the sites if infact it is its the other guy that worries me02:29
Tonio_the code is correct, but  konqueror puts the second target in the first frame....02:29
Tonio_gnomefreak: I'll play locally to really understand what is the problem and I'll report the bug02:29
gnomefreakty Tonio_ 02:29
gnomefreakagain i dont feel its "real important"02:30
gnomefreakif there wasnt 3500 browsers out there than i would change my view on that02:30
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gnomefreakhow bad is katapult to build?02:33
Hobbseegnomefreak: it's mroe of a question on why you would...02:33
gnomefreakHobbsee: cause i wan tto learn and i already did the gnu hello 2 times02:34
gnomefreakwant to02:34
Tonio_gnomefreak: yeah I know but that's weird :)02:34
Hobbseegnomefreak: ahh, right02:34
Hobbseepick something that looks interesting02:34
Hobbseegnomefreak: iirc, ksudoku isnt too bad, it uses cdbs.02:34
gnomefreakother than the file changing its fun02:34
Hobbseeignore my changelog :P02:34
gnomefreakgonna try it :)02:35
Tonio_Hobbsee: wanted to work on kopete ?02:39
HobbseeTonio_: indeed.  well, i'd like it to be fixed, really02:39
HobbseeTonio_: and then to know how you did it.  *g*02:40
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Tonio_Hobbsee: okay, give me the infos you have ;)02:40
Tonio_what is the problem ?02:40
HobbseeTonio_: okay.  current kopete source is in edgy, newer kopete source is in kdenetwork. its' been split before, but we need to get it split again02:40
Hobbseeie, they havent released a separate tarball02:40
Tonio_Hobbsee: so the kdenetwork version is more recent that's it ?02:41
HobbseeTonio_: correct02:41
Tonio_Hobbsee: okay, so why splitting it ?02:41
Tonio_let's get it built with kdenetwork and that's it !02:41
freeflyinghi all02:42
RiddellI'd rather not, it means changing stuff in rosetta as well as the archive02:42
freeflyingI'm finally here :)02:42
Riddelland they might do another separate release02:42
gnomefreakksudoku (0.3.orig-1) should i leave the .orig-1 in there whem i change it to a 1ubuntu102:42
HobbseeTonio_: Riddell said why02:42
Tonio_Riddell: okay then we have to extract the source from kdenetwork and upgrade the package......02:42
Hobbsee!info ksudoku edgy02:42
ubotuksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-4ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 119 kB, installed size 360 kB02:42
Tonio_Riddell: I'll do that today02:43
gnomefreakHobbsee: dapper build02:43
Hobbseegnomefreak: uh?02:43
Riddellgnomefreak: yes02:43
Hobbseegnomefreak: even so.  the dapper build was never that.02:43
Tonio_once jabbin package is ready and I blogged about voip and kubuntu :m)02:43
Hobbseesure you havent grabbed debian's by mistake?02:43
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'll let you know, should be done toonight02:43
HobbseeTonio_: cool :)02:43
gnomefreakim editing the debian change log02:43
gnomefreaki grabbed ubuntus version02:43
UbugtuMalone bug 59504 in kdebase "Language packs broken in kde applications menus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  02:43
=== Hobbsee wonders if anyone knows about that ^ whole issue
Hobbsee!info ksudoku dapper02:44
ubotuksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 356 kB02:44
Tonio_Hobbsee: that's an old and resolved issue02:44
Tonio_Hobbsee: you can close the ticket02:44
Hobbseegnomefreak: i'm positive you didnt.  that version wasnt in dapper or edgy, as i've modified both :P02:44
gnomefreaki got it from packages.ubuntu.com :(02:45
Hobbseegnomefreak: try apt-get source ksudoku?02:45
Hobbseeand check in debian/changelog where it's from02:45
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gnomefreaki cant do that :(02:46
gnomefreakim on edgy with dapper pbuilder02:46
Hobbseegrab the edgy one then?02:47
Hobbseethey're not that different, iirc02:47
gnomefreakand just change the depends to dappers versions?02:48
Hobbseewhy do you want to change it for dapper?02:49
gnomefreakdont i have to with a dapper pbuilder?02:50
Hobbseeof course, you can always login to your dapper pbuilder, and grab the source from there if you want.  *shrug*02:50
Hobbseepick anything02:50
Hobbseei doubt it'll matter02:50
Hobbseeeven your weird version is likely to work02:50
Tonio_Hobbsee: what is the kdenetwork 3.5.5 kopete version ?02:51
HobbseeTonio_: 0.12.302:51
Tonio_great thanks02:51
Tonio_Hobbsee: done ;) I'll build and add the package on my repo so that we can test.02:57
Tonio_Hobbsee: then I'll explain you the process02:58
Tonio_Hobbsee: it's pretty easy02:58
HobbseeTonio_: sounds good to me.02:58
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Tonio_Hobbsee: fancy testing jabbin ?03:21
HobbseeTonio_: not at the moment?  03:22
Tonio_Hobbsee: okay :)03:22
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n8k99hello there03:51
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n8k99imbrandon: howdy03:59
Tonio_Riddell: I'm adding kipi-plugins for kubuntu-desktop04:01
RiddellTonio_: ok04:01
Tonio_Riddell: kopete is almost finished... I'm writing an ufe exception request too04:02
mhbhey folks04:02
RiddellTonio_: cool, mdz is on holiday today though04:03
Tonio_Riddell: can wait a bit, no emergency :)04:03
Tonio_hi mhb04:03
RiddellTonio_: well, RC freeze is on thursday so can't wait too long04:04
Tonio_Riddell: will be done today, don't worry :)04:05
Tonio_Riddell: I'm preparing sip/voip packages so that we can work on that in the uds... jabbin is finished, wengophone polished a bit, and I'll prepare other ones, like latest twinkle etc......04:05
RiddellI'll just sit and watch kdelibs compile again :)04:06
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mhbanyone looked at bug 35573 ? It's labeled incorrectly, at least ...04:08
UbugtuMalone bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3557304:08
mhbthere is a lot of duplicates of this one, it is also confirmed by many people with enough details, IMO04:09
fdovinghmm.. interesting.04:12
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mhbTonio_: need jabbin tested?04:27
Tonio_mhb: yes ;)04:28
Tonio_mhb: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org04:28
mhbTonio_: my voice is probably not as beautiful as Hobbsee's but I have little time04:28
Tonio_mhb: I can't test it unfortunately04:28
Tonio_my microphone doesn't work on ubuntu, but feel free to find another tester :)04:29
=== Hobbsee certainly does not have a beautiful voice :P
Hobbseeits' all high pitched.04:29
=== mhb has not yet met a girl/woman that had an ugly voice :o)
mhbaanyway, Tonio_ , when somebody else volunteers, I'm here04:31
Tonio_mhb: great ;)04:31
Tonio_Hobbsee: any infos concerning kopete changelog ? that would be usefull for uvf exception request04:34
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HobbseeTonio_: they dont seem to have one04:36
Hobbseemhb: depends if they're screaming at you :P04:36
Tonio_Hobbsee: that's an issue :) mdz will not accept if we don't have precise informations concerning the bugs closed04:36
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'll try to get the svn changelog.....04:36
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Tonio_Hobbsee: I'm sure there are many closed bugs, but without a changelog....... that will not help...04:40
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HobbseeTonio_: true that.  mattr didnt have a current changelog for it on hand.  if we bug him, he might04:41
Tonio_Hobbsee: can you do this ? he may know you better than I do :)04:41
HobbseeTonio_: he doesnt04:41
Hobbseebut i can try04:41
Tonio_Hobbsee: hehe thanks :)04:41
Hobbseelater :)04:41
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Hobbseelet me celebrate a bit first :)04:41
Tonio_Hobbsee: celebrate what ?04:42
HobbseeTonio_: there are some evil maths quizzes that i have to pass for uni.  they're really horrible and unforgiving04:42
Hobbseei *finally* passed one of them04:42
Hobbseethere are 604:42
Hobbseeand they regularly send me mad.04:42
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Tonio_congrats !!04:42
Tonio_Hobbsee: I love mathematics :)04:43
Tonio_they saved my studies several times :)04:44
mhbHobbsee: good work :o)04:44
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Hobbseei dont mind it, usually.  but these quizzes are beyond horrible04:45
mhbHobbsee: you have an example of "horrible" ? :o)04:45
Tonio_for example, while I got a 4/20 in phylosophy and 5/20 in german, I got 20/20 at Higher Leaving Certificate04:46
Hobbseei do, but..04:46
Tonio_that helped a bit to get it ;)04:46
mhbHobbsee: link maybe?04:46
Hobbseelog in as guest, guest04:46
mhbHobbsee: which one did you pass?04:47
Hobbseemhb: 304:49
Tonio_Hobbsee: 4 should be accessible I think04:50
Tonio_equations isn't the harder part04:51
mhbhm ... it offers me a perl file04:51
Hobbseemhb: ah, you need adobe reader04:52
mhbHobbsee: no kpdf or the like?04:52
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jdong_all you guidance gods out there, my DPMS timeout increases by like 2 hours every time I log in :D05:22
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jdong_Hobbsee: wrong jdong05:22
jdong_Hobbsee: and that was pretty on topic :)05:22
Hobbseeshould i boot the other?05:22
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jdong_heh, apparently it's fixed in svn05:24
jdong_never mind then05:24
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trappistwhat's with the move to not-kde-355 in the kubuntu repo?05:26
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alain_I have a problem with my sound system05:35
alain_if i select automatically detect, system freezes for 5 sec, then I get a cpu overload warning05:35
alain_if I manually select open sound system, everything is fine05:36
alain_if I run artsd from command line, i also get the cpu overload05:36
alain_i have artsd 1.5.405:36
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alain_i can't find the artsd package in the bugtracker05:43
alain_all i find is 05:44
alain_libarts1c2a: 05:44
alain_aRts sound system core components05:44
alain_nobody here?05:50
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mhbalain_: sorry, this is actually no support channel05:52
mhbalain_: the support channel is in #kubuntu05:53
alain_mhb its no support request...05:53
mhbalain_: it sounds like an unconfirmed bug, which is nothing the devs should be concerned about05:55
mhbalain_: if you don't know the package for this bug file it under "kubuntu-meta"05:55
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hungerThe cdrom icon on my desktop vanished recently. Is that a known bug?06:28
hungerIts label is displayed and the icon appears when I touch it with the mouse.06:28
nixternalwhat happened to the kde-3.5.5 repos?06:30
nixternaldid they get moved?06:30
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Riddelldistrowatched decided to publish them06:32
HawkwindWhy on earth did they decide to do that06:32
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Riddellgod knows, I e-mailed them06:34
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nixternaloh well, any plans on "re-releasing" them at all for updates and what not?06:46
Riddellthey're available under not-kde-35506:47
jdongsomeone fill me in on the whole not-kde-355 thing?06:48
nixternalhaha ok..i seen that and just wondered06:49
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mhbhmm ... dist-upgrade and then install kubuntu-desktop or what will be the recommended upgrade procedure?06:53
mhbI'd like to test exactly that what the users will be told to do06:53
Riddellmhb: I'm undecided06:53
Riddellbut it doesn't seem like we can get a dist-upgrade that'll do the right thing06:54
Riddellso probably dist-upgrade then install kubuntu-desktop06:54
fdovinghow does gnome-ubuntu handle that? 06:57
Riddellthey have a dist-upgrade tool that has special algorithms06:59
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fdovingwe should get that too :)06:59
Riddellit'll be an edgy+1 target to get one06:59
fdovingi'll need to learn c++.06:59
Riddellit's python06:59
_SimeRiddell: FWIW, I've been hacking on mountconfig a bit to get the UUIDs working well. But there is little chance of that making the Edgy release considering that we are in RC territory already.06:59
mhbI need to work without sleeping :o)06:59
fdoving.. and python.. :)07:00
mhband learn to live without sleep07:00
fdoving.. stop sleeping, stop eating.. stop other jobs.. stop spending time with family.. etc.07:01
Riddell_Sime: ok, thanks07:01
_SimeRiddell: it will have to be an update after we here have tested it.07:02
Riddellshould be do-able if the diff is readable07:04
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LureRiddell: I am trying to update my dapper -> edgy 07:25
fdovinghmm.. where is adept svn/bzr/cvs located? is it public? 07:25
LureRiddell: why does kubuntu-desktop get removed?07:25
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RiddellLure: it's because of python07:29
Riddellfdoving: kde svn, playground/admin07:29
LureRiddell: so just install kubuntu-dekstop after?07:29
RiddellLure: seems to be the best we can offer yes07:29
fdovingRiddell: thanks.07:29
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zorglu_i just noticed that kernel-headers-2.6.15-26-386 package is no more availble, which channel should i use to talk about this ?07:51
fdoving#ubuntu-kernel i guess? 07:53
zorglu_ok thanks07:53
LureRiddell: will kde 355 land in edgy?08:07
_Simehow come "Manager repositories" is always disabled in Adept in Edgy?08:09
RiddellLure: don't know yet, waiting on an answer from mdz 08:09
Riddell_Sime: don't know that either, but it's a priorirty to get fixed08:09
_SimeIt's been like that for ages. I thought maybe I was missing some peice of info.08:10
Riddellit could be, I really don't know08:15
nukuoh one thing about kde355 anyone else notices the big delay for hiding the panel icon mouseover effects even when they are shown partly?08:15
Riddellit was top of my list of things to look at then I got snowed under in there new releases08:15
nuku(using the kubuntu.org packages on edgy)08:16
Riddellnuku: yes08:16
Riddellalthough it doesn't bother me08:16
tomaRiddell: that was a commit of dirk, let met dig up the details for you08:17
nukuRiddell: ok just curious if i was the only one.. do you know if there is a bugs.kde.org entry for it?08:18
tomanuku: one sec pls08:18
nukusure .. no hurry08:18
tomaRiddell, nuku: iirc it was a fix for https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20472808:20
Ubugtubugzilla.novell.com bug 204728 in KDE "kicker consumes too much cpu time with a vertical orientation and a custom width of 49" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  08:20
tomahmm, maybe i'm confused, this one might be better: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=115995421220057&w=208:21
nukuit seems that it is already worked on it: " kickertip.cpp   593043 3 days aseigo lower the time the tip shows except for taskbar, pager and clock where it makes ... "08:25
nukuah and the tags/3.5.5 has also been retagged for those files.. looks good :)08:29
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fdovingwow. xrdp is nice. 08:51
gnomefreakare the 3.5.5 repos not working?08:53
Riddellthey're hidden08:53
gnomefreakhttp://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages is failing and its not even in the sources.list file like that08:53
sebasThey've been moved after distrowatch posted a link08:54
gnomefreaktoday was only day they have been failing08:54
gnomefreakcan i have new one?08:54
Riddellwe'd need to interrogate you first to make sure you weren't the source of the leak to distrowatch08:55
imbrandondistrowatch posted a link ?08:55
imbrandonwow ( /me gusess it was someone on the -devel ML )08:56
gnomefreakdistrowatch as in the website that posts new distros?08:56
xerosgnomefreak: yes, someone gave them the link for the repos08:57
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imbrandonheya Riddell gnomefreak08:57
gnomefreakimbrandon: hello :)08:57
trappistthe link isn't really hard to find, yaknow08:57
trappistif they found it the same way I did, they'll prolly find the new one the same way I did08:57
imbrandonohhhhhhhh qt4 php bindings , wow08:58
gnomefreaktrappist: im sure if someone got it they could have built their own so there are prolly many of them out there08:58
trappistalso true08:58
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gnomefreakwith a jdong repo sometimes08:58
gnomefreaklol it wasnt that bad in breezy08:59
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gnomefreakoh and Hawkwind if he gets it up for edgy08:59
HawkwindIf there were 36 hours in a day it *might* be close to being done :P09:01
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gnomefreaktake your time09:03
DaSkreechAre the streams in Amarok all .ogg?09:04
n8k99DaSreech: no, many of them are mp309:05
imbrandonstreams are what ever the source is streaming , it could be aac , oog etc09:05
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imbrandonheya n8k9909:05
mhbhm ... dist-upgraded but kubuntu-desktop still refuses to upgrade (BREAK-upgrade) ...09:05
n8k99imbrandon hi there09:05
n8k99yikes just had a real window crash! scared the little girl!09:06
DaSkreechJust wondering why we don't ship with .ogg streams by default09:07
imbrandonDaSkreech, check the amarok faq, its listed in there as to why09:08
gnomefreakmp3 smaller?09:08
n8k99not many a lot of ogg streams?09:08
DaSkreechWe have to follow the Amarok defaults :(09:08
DaSkreechn8k99: More than you think09:08
imbrandonno DaSkreech but its the same reason09:08
DaSkreechOk 09:10
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imbrandonbasicly there isnt enough stable good ogg streams and if you know of them then submit them to amarok, end of story09:10
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DaSkreechAh. 09:11
DaSkreechwell the Vorbis.com site has a good selection09:11
imbrandonsweet, well like i said, poke them09:11
DaSkreechHas anyone made an attempt to collate some streams?09:11
imbrandonDaSkreech, probably not a developer no, you will ahve better luck in #amarok09:12
DaSkreechWell Iwas thining of just throwing up a wiki page and seeing if I could get it mentioned on fridge etc09:13
imbrandonDaSkreech, and its not just getting a list, its getting a list of STABLE streams that have been there for months/years and will continute to be09:13
DaSkreechI know09:13
DaSkreechWhich is why I want to know if there has been an attempt at gathering09:13
imbrandonDaSkreech, great but again , #amarok , not really a development issue09:13
DaSkreechBetter to work as one than start something new09:13
DaSkreechGood point :)09:14
DaSkreech3.5.5 this week?09:14
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gnomefreakDaSkreech: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/71292/index.html   that does not mean kubuntu is releasing it but normally its close09:15
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gnomefreakRiddell: when you get time please pm and i will answer any questions you have.09:20
Riddellgnomefreak: questions to what?09:34
gnomefreakRiddell: the interogation ;)09:34
Riddelloh well just "did you do it"?09:34
Riddellor maybe, "did you do it, punk?"  to me more interrogating like09:35
mhbRiddell: dist-upgraded but still couldn't install kubuntu-desktop (BREAK-upgrade) ... trying classical "upgrade" now09:35
gnomefreakRiddell: no09:35
Riddellgnomefreak: sorted :)09:35
gnomefreakthat was almost too easy :)09:36
Riddellgnomefreak: it's at not-kde-355 by the way09:36
Riddellmhb: so you did apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?09:36
gnomefreakah ok09:36
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mhbRiddell: well, the equivalent Adept actions 09:38
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n8k99Riddell: i just got a size mismatch error 09:38
mhbRiddell: then Adept refused to upgrade kubuntu-desktop09:38
n8k99for apt-get dist-upgrade09:39
Riddelln8k99: on 3.5.5?09:39
n8k99yes sir09:39
Riddelln8k99: it's updating just now, don't use it09:39
Riddellgnomefreak: ^^09:39
gnomefreakok i stopped it09:40
imbrandongnomefreak, no big deal, just ^c then restart it when its finished ;)09:40
gnomefreaki did09:40
imbrandon( after an apt-get update )09:40
gnomefreaki stopped it during update09:41
imbrandonyea just dont reboot ;)09:41
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nixternalimbrandon: the stupid math thing gave you an issue ey?09:43
nixternali may just remove it for the time being, and see how much spam collects..i turned on a massively hacked akismet, so hopefully that will suffice09:44
imbrandonnixternal, yea , it told me 7 x 9 wasent 6309:44
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nixternali will go through and look at the code for that09:44
imbrandonnixternal, i use a diffrent one that checks against rtbl and no issues yet09:45
nixternallink me if you get a chance09:45
imbrandonone sefc09:45
imbrandonerr actualy is the A* one but it dosent do the math stuff09:46
Tonio_Riddell: bug 64907 > you can approve :)09:48
UbugtuMalone bug 64907 in kopete "3.5.4+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1 -> 3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6490709:48
Tonio_imbrandon: hey !09:48
imbrandonheya Tonio_09:48
Tonio_imbrandon you should commit your kds changes to bzr....09:48
Tonio_imbrandon if you don't they'll be overwritten by next upgrade09:48
imbrandonTonio_, i tried but bzr kept timing out09:48
Tonio_imbrandon ah ?09:48
Tonio_imbrandon want me to give a try ?09:48
imbrandonTonio_, no they wont, whomever does the next update will have to commit it it wont let the same version upload ;)09:49
Tonio_imbrandon well if you follox the process to upgrade kds, you have to checkout svn to get the package :)09:49
Tonio_imbrandon that's why this would overwrite the current package....09:49
imbrandonright i did , infact i was the first, but as i said it times out for me 09:49
Tonio_but yes, I can understand your point of view....09:50
imbrandonno it wouldent becouse as soon as you dput it it would reject it09:50
Tonio_hum, I'll try to commit toonight, maybe I'll have more chance :)09:50
imbrandonas being the same version09:50
imbrandone.g if you bzr checked it out right now and dch -i it would be -5509:50
imbrandonif you tried to dput that it would reject it09:50
Tonio_imbrandon true :)09:51
imbrandonbut yea if you wanna try to commit it cool i only changed the kubuntu-artwoirk-usplash.postinstall09:52
Tonio_but let the person packaging before redoing everything is unfair ^^ ;)09:52
imbrandonTonio_, i agree09:52
Tonio_imbrandon btw it is not your fault09:52
Tonio_imbrandon I just packaged jabbin today to prepare the uds... I'll try to package any qt/kde voip client to that we can talk about that, compare and make a choice for edgy+109:53
Tonio_that's important I think09:53
imbrandonyea i was thinking the same thing ther was/is a bounty for it from paris uds09:53
imbrandonbut no one ever did it09:53
imbrandonhave you tried the twinkle that was sugested?09:54
Tonio_and maybe goldenear forget me with wengophone now jabbin is packaged :)09:54
Tonio_imbrandon yes I did09:54
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Tonio_imbrandon very nice, but sip dedicated only, and no video support on the way......09:54
imbrandonTonio_, btw did you see that wengophone was putting stuff in /opt 09:54
Tonio_but technically it is a very nice sip client09:54
Tonio_imbrandon hehe yes, I packaged it to put everything in /opt :)09:54
imbrandonvideo is not important to me, infact i would be happy if it DIDENT have video09:54
imbrandonas 99% of people dont have cams let alone working cams 09:55
Tonio_imbrandon in fact, as it is a multiplateform client, it is coded to have the same files in one folder only, like an ms application or googleearth09:55
Tonio_and the "less dirty" way to do in that case is /opt09:55
imbrandonyea but if it go's in the repos stuff cant go into /opt iirc09:56
Tonio_imbrandon yes I agree, but sip is in my opinion to complicated for Joe09:56
Tonio_I think the default solution has to be an IM, with jingle support for example09:56
Tonio_maybe the solution will be kopete, who knows :)09:56
Tonio_imbrandon hu ? 09:56
imbrandonif they would fix kopete to use the new jingle yes09:56
Tonio_if it goes to the repos ic can't be /opt ?09:56
Tonio_is that a policy violation ?09:57
imbrandonno debian policy says no stuff in /opt iirc , i could be wrong09:57
Riddellit's correct09:57
imbrandonopt is for 3rd party only09:57
Tonio_hum.... I don't remember this.... I'll have a look09:57
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Riddellalthough I'm pondering about asking if we can use /opt for kde 409:57
imbrandonyea so we can have both09:58
Tonio_well, I can change the package to put everything in /usr/share/wengophone.... that wouldn't make any difference09:58
imbrandon3 and 409:58
Tonio_but I think a binary file in /usr/share is REALLY worst than in /opt09:58
imbrandonTonio_, yea that would be better imho09:58
trappistI've always viewed /opt as a place for statically compiled stuff I can keep around from distro to distro09:58
Tonio_that's not policy convenient but better in my opinion09:58
Tonio_imbrandon but okay, let's go with the strict policy application09:58
gnomefreaktrappist: i use it for stuff i compile like FF and TB09:58
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Tonio_imbrandon appart from that, how was your test with riddell ?09:59
Tonio_unstable I assume ? :)09:59
imbrandonwell i could never hear anyone09:59
imbrandonbut they could hear me09:59
imbrandonsooooo , dunno really09:59
trappistgnomefreak: but everything I've ever installed that went to /opt because the package said so, was like that: a 3rd party package, statically compiled so as to be distro-independent.  I personally put other stuff like fonts in there, but I've come to expect that only distro-independent stuff will be there.10:00
imbrandonphone , brbr10:00
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gnomefreakthe sound bells make?10:00
n8k99oh! how simple10:01
DaSkreechThe project?10:02
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mhbI don't like /opt .o) a bit late, I know 10:09
Tonio_imbrandon the problem is that a log file chmoded to 777 in /usr/share isn't really better10:09
Tonio_but well....... wengophone is a mess anyway :)10:09
mhbhm, Adept upgrade failed as well, I'm going to bed10:10
mhbgood night all10:11
Tonio_imbrandon I'm patching to disable all logging10:15
Tonio_that's the best I can doo10:16
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jdongcan someone enlighten me on kde-355 vs not-kde-355??10:43
DaSkreechRound one!10:44
LureRiddell: it looks like dapper -> edgy requires the following steps: update, dist-upgrade (will remove kubuntu-desktop), dist-upgrade (to get upstart instead of sysvinit), install kubuntu-desktop, dist-upgrade (to upgrade kde-guidance) and still plenty of python packages are "kept back"10:48
DaSkreechSooo reinstall then for those lucky to have a /home partition10:48
fdovingthat's a bit complex to the regular desktop user.10:49
fdovingis it possible to make a new kubuntu-desktop-6.10 package that fixes everything?10:50
jdongfdoving: dist-upgrader works around that quite well10:50
jdongwhy can't we get a kde frontend to taht?10:51
Lurejdong: I hope we can get one for edgy+110:51
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imbrandonjdong, not-kde-355 becouse someone leaked it to distrowatch10:56
jdongimbrandon: I see. so it's not meant for the public eyes? 10:57
imbrandonno, it never was announced , and stated developers only10:57
imbrandonits not even released yet10:58
jdongah, I see10:58
imbrandonjdong, and as far as dist-upgrader no one has written a kde front end10:58
imbrandonbut it has been asked for anyone that wants to, go for it10:58
jdongimbrandon: I am aware of that; and I figured it was one of those "go do it" type of things :)10:59
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jdongif there's not yet a cli client to dist-upgrader, I might hack that out :D11:00
jdongbecause dist-upgrade is simply not doing the job anymore...11:00
Riddellthe problem is the lack of konsole part in pykde11:00
LureRiddell: I think there was some discussion to have CLI version for server - this would be still better than just dist-upgrade11:01
jdongI'd settle for a console frontend to dist-upgrader anyday11:02
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nukuruby/korundum has a libkonsolepart ;)11:22
Tonio_imbrandon I just finished wengophone, but I had to patch to stop logging to files, since a 777 file in /usr/share is really weird too...11:38
insanekaneim sure you are aware, but anyway, google just bought youtube11:59
HawkwindYeah, definitely quite old news unfortunately12:02
insanekaneHawkwind: oh, whats new then ?12:05
HawkwindNothing new at the moment.  Though I'm watching sports news to find out all the good info in life :P12:06
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