[12:22] imbrandon: status? [12:22] i've got cowbuilder setup now. with gcc-4.1-powerpc :) [12:23] currently downloading adept build-deps to test. [12:23] but this slow 784kbps connection is ... slow. === poningru [n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:45] ok, partially finnish text problem is located [12:45] somehow KDE fallbacks en_GB to next lang selection, finnish [12:46] dunno if this is how it is supposed to work [12:55] mhb: yes, it is === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-184-98.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:01] it is, stupid me [01:06] gnite. [01:17] Night [01:17] Riddell: can I lodge a small protest? [01:18] DaSkreech: I am your humble servant [01:18] :-) [01:18] the bootsplash can take commands correct? [01:19] other than esc? [01:19] it can show progress [01:19] that's about it [01:19] Well yeah that's what I'm getting at [01:19] Not showing progress (messages) is pretty distracting [01:20] it does show progress [01:20] Well it shows a bar [01:20] the lack of messages is distractin [01:21] users don't care about lots of scrolling text [01:21] and I don't care for it either [01:21] but you're complaining to the wrong dude, you want a usplash developer [01:21] You can change that in your /etc/boot/menu.lst file anyways [01:22] Hawkwind: ok thought that it was masked out by the Image [01:22] DaSkreech: Well, I haven't seen a boot splash image in years except during initial install of the OS. I disable them immediately [01:24] They are kinda pretty and I reboot so infrequently that I normally don't care either way but been playing with the edgy Live CD and I find my nerves are on edge cause the boot is soo silent === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:33] imbrandon: ping === gnomefreak thinks i found this issue with amarok crashing [01:34] i asked them to install arts-dbg and runt he backtrace. a vaguely remember ars crashing amarok a few times here [01:35] bug 52155 is the bug im talking about [01:35] Malone bug 52155 in amarok "Amarok crashes when playing .mp3, .wma, and .ogg files" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52155 [01:36] has anyone noticed the uninstallable kdelibs due to unsatisfied kdelibs-data version in 355, or should I mention it here? [01:39] i havent seen that issue. why are you uninstalling kdelibs? [01:39] I failed to notice it and ended up with a pretty bare, backgroundless, kickerless kde [01:40] gnomefreak: I upgraded to 355, and kdelibs was uninstallable (couldn't be installed, not could be uninstalled) [01:40] oh [01:40] i didnt see that from my upgrade :( i wish i would have [01:40] no you don't :) === nuku [n=nuku@e178112011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:40] as it turns out, a few things depend on kdelibs ;) [01:41] I apt-get sourced kdelibs and changed the deps and am now rebuilding [01:41] and it just now finished. [01:43] wish I could remember the exact details, but it wanted kdelibs-data 3.5.5 and got 3.5.5-0ubuntu1 or vice versa === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:45] dang, other similar problems: kcontrol: Depends: kdebase-data (< 4:3.5.5) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed [01:45] and many more like that [01:51] ah well, this is why I did this while the missus was out of town. she hates it when I break the computer. [01:53] trappist: dapper or edgy? [01:53] edgy [01:54] trappist: what does apt-cache policy kcontrol say? [01:55] well now that you mention it, it looks like it wants to install 3.5.4 from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main [01:55] which doesn't really match what I pasted above [01:57] and apt-get build-dep kdebase wants to remove nvidia-glx x-window-system-core xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core and so on. that's odd. [02:00] oh, because: [02:00] dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Build conflicts: nvidia-glx [02:01] Riddell: do you know that build conflict to be accurate? [02:01] and if so, why? [02:01] yes its correct .. [02:01] i happend to see it too :) [02:02] trappist: yes it is [02:02] its because there are problems with shared building against the nvidia libs [02:02] nuku: problems building it for public consumption, or should I expect problems here on my nvidia machine? [02:02] no only for public buliding .. works fine when you just use it local [02:02] ok that's what I was looking for, thanks [02:03] plus kdebase just use it in kcontrol for the opengl info panel [02:05] seems to be a missing build-dep somewhere for kdebase. checking X paths... failed; configure: error: /usr/bin/xmkmf (imake) failed.; Make sure you have all necessary X development packages installed. [02:18] seems to be due to no /usr/X11 [02:22] nm on that. === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:27] atleast xmkmf is in xutils-dev.. wonder whats going wrong ..i had no problems building kdebase with installing all build-dep but the nvidia-glx [02:29] yeah I haven't tracked it down yet either [02:33] the failed test is: [02:33] if imake -I/usr/lib/X11/config -DTOPDIR=/etc/X11 -DCURDIR=. /etc/X11 >&5 2>&1 && test -f Makefile; then [02:34] which I can't quite test outside the configure script === orkid__ [n=mike@74.13.46.128] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:43] have you installed xutils-dev ? [02:44] if I copy the contents of /etc/X11/config/cf to conftestdir and cd to there, the test passes [02:44] nuku: as it turns out, no [02:44] but installing it will uninstall imake... trying anyway === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.185] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:46] hmm imake is not in edgy as it seems.. maybe something from a former dapper installation?! [02:46] oh, xutils-dev provides imake. I guess that's the missing build-dep. [02:46] nuku: very likely [02:47] also provides xmkmf [02:47] yep [02:48] wee, that did it. [02:48] nice [02:48] nuku: should I file a bug, or does you knowing about it count? [02:49] hmm sounds like some kind of bug to me.. [02:49] and/or maybe xutils-dev should replace mkmf and imake [02:49] yep.. something like this [02:50] but there probably should be an additional build-dep on kdebase. [02:51] yes sounds like xutils-dev already has a replace imake in it so kdebase should have this as a build-dep if it is necessary to build it.. [02:53] there's already a bug on xutils-dev suggesting that imake/xmkmf be broken out into a separate package === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-088-064-171-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.163.229] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:12] so I updated an existing bug on xutils-dev and filed a missing build-dep bug on kdebase === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-246-102.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid__ [n=orkid__@bas1-barrie18-1242377856.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-246-102.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:43] kstars has the same problem: [04:43] kstars: Depends: kstars-data (< 4:3.5.5) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.144] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-184-98.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:36] uh, I got a question about Kubuntu's artwork [05:37] shoot [05:37] Launchpad and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuIcons indicate that the spec to get the Oxygen icons in Kubuntu Edgy have been completed [05:37] NeoChaosX: they wont be in edgy anyway. [05:37] Oh, I see [05:38] due to licencing [05:38] Ah, damn, oh well [05:38] edgy+1 maybe, depending on the kde4 status at the time [05:38] hiya Hobbsee! [05:39] hey nixternal === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:49] imbrandon:ping [05:49] hey n8k99 === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:50] Hobbsee: hey [05:50] Hobbsee: drifted in here because of some issues i'm having with amarok [05:51] ahh [05:52] keeps dropping the sound system [05:52] erm, alsa [06:02] maybe too quick or something- seems to work just fine now [06:02] nevermind me, yet again === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:47] ch1204 [06:47] sorry, wrong channel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid__ [n=mike@74.13.46.128] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === [niceday] [n=daniel@87.100.54.106] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [n=froud@dsl-145-26-85.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@221.221.153.175] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@6.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:47] heya ;) [10:48] sebas: just saw your kate problems.... I had the same issues, and I tried the patch given there http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135045 [10:48] KDE bug 135045 in general "Crash on various occasions" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] [10:48] sebas: works for me so I sent it to Riddell [10:48] Tonio_: Ah, cool [10:49] sebas: ;) [10:49] If you have a patched package, I can try as well [10:49] sebas: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org [10:49] grab kdelibs package from there and dpkg -i them, should work [10:50] sebas: I just have i386 package... [10:51] http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386/kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb This one? No ... [10:51] It's 37K only [10:51] yes, and kdelibs4c2a, and kdelibs-dbg [10:51] :) [10:52] I don't know exactly which one has been changed by the patch, so better install all of them [10:56] Riddell: did you receive my mail with kdebase and kdelibs patch ? [11:12] heh cool, pkg-kde-extras repo is being added to a buildd network to build pkgs on sarge/etch/sid and dapper/edgy: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-extras/2006-October/001735.html [11:14] <\sh> who is visiting the kde 10th birthday party? [11:16] Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/64801 [11:16] Malone bug 64801 in kdebase "crash in split mode" [Unknown,Unknown] [11:16] Thanks! [11:16] sebas: your servant ;) === sebas leaves now === beligum [n=beligum@d54C49278.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:22] <\sh> hmmm...since when is the "open link in new tab" right click action gone in konqui? [11:24] \sh: I have it [11:25] <\sh> Tm_T: new edgy install or upgraded? I have a new edgy install [11:26] upgraded iirc [11:28] <\sh> does anyone has a newly installed edgy (latest beta) with all package upgrades? [11:39] \sh: I have it too... [11:39] \sh: I have a recent edgy install with all upgrades [11:42] <\sh> hmmm [11:43] <\sh> uhg [11:43] <\sh> konqui is intelligent [11:44] <\sh> a link pointing to the same opened page ... doesn't show the "open link in new tab" action [11:44] <\sh> I never saw this behaviour before... [11:47] \sh: hehe, funky === seaLne wonders where Riddell has got to === linfeng [n=linfeng@220.165.229.140] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@221.221.149.186] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm238.omega16.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === My8os [n=My8os@ppp93-26.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:27] !lastspoke Riddell [12:27] Sorry, I don't know anything about lastspoke Riddell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [12:28] hum, this misses :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:51] hmm? [01:00] Riddell: hey :), received my patches for 3.5.5 ? [01:01] Tonio_: yes thanks [01:02] Riddell: cool, sebas confirmed this morning the kate fix for kdelibs works === Tonio_ is packaging jabbin [01:15] is everyone aware konq. 3.5.4 and 3.5.5 has no boarders on some sites? [01:15] i say some because thats what i was told [01:16] http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/ is one of the sites [01:16] yuck [01:17] i think you can ignore than it does it with ff also sort of [01:45] gnomefreak: What borders? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] the scroll bar for most part [01:54] on that site i gave its only on the upper part of screen on FF its on the lower 3/4 of screen [01:55] bug 64824 [01:55] Malone bug 64824 in kdebase "Some sites with frames don't display properly in Konqueror" [Undecided,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64824 [01:55] there is a screen hsot there [01:56] shot even [02:06] On Dapper 3.5.4 I get the scrollbar [02:08] on edgy 3.5.5 i dont and reporter on 3.5.4 edgy doesnt either [02:09] so i am thinking its an edgy regression [02:17] gnomefreak: looks like konq doesn't like frames without options set [02:18] Tonio_: is that something that can be changed? or its the sites? [02:19] gnomefreak: I think it is konqueror [02:19] gnomefreak: add scrolling="auto" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" to the frames and it works... [02:19] ok thnak you [02:19] gnomefreak: but technically, that's an html issue... [02:20] gnomefreak: you can't blame a browser if it doesn't understand the webmaster definition of "defaults" :) [02:20] i was thinking it was the sites but since FF does it it was weird [02:20] gnomefreak: that's why those settings do exist [02:20] gnomefreak: that's because firefox uses different "default" behavior for frames [02:21] ah [02:21] i leave bug in your hands to decide if it will be fixed or not but i dont see this as a really important thing === gnomefreak thinks today is gonna be a bad bad day [02:24] gnomefreak: hum, the problem looks a bit more complex in fact ;) [02:24] ut oh [02:25] I'm playing with the code and I don't understand I must say... [02:25] I changed the code with a code that works on my websites admin panel [02:25] only frames target is different [02:25] on my website it works, but it fails with new targets.... [02:25] very nasty [02:26] [02:26] [02:26] [02:26] hahaha ;) [02:26] that's normal [02:26] the right frame targets a pages that has frames that are defining this === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:27] lol [02:27] good evening Hobbsee [02:28] So in fact, konqueror is fixed there :) [02:28] hey gnomefreak [02:28] gnomefreak: it looks like konqueror fails dealing with ROWS based frames [02:29] well im not too worried about telling this guy its the sites if infact it is its the other guy that worries me [02:29] the code is correct, but konqueror puts the second target in the first frame.... [02:29] gnomefreak: I'll play locally to really understand what is the problem and I'll report the bug [02:29] ty Tonio_ [02:30] again i dont feel its "real important" [02:30] if there wasnt 3500 browsers out there than i would change my view on that === gnomefreak still looking for a kubuntu package thats not too bad to package for practice :) [02:33] how bad is katapult to build? [02:33] gnomefreak: it's mroe of a question on why you would... [02:34] Hobbsee: cause i wan tto learn and i already did the gnu hello 2 times [02:34] want to [02:34] gnomefreak: yeah I know but that's weird :) [02:34] :) [02:34] gnomefreak: ahh, right [02:34] pick something that looks interesting [02:34] gnomefreak: iirc, ksudoku isnt too bad, it uses cdbs. [02:34] other than the file changing its fun [02:34] ignore my changelog :P [02:34] lol [02:35] gonna try it :) [02:39] Hobbsee: wanted to work on kopete ? [02:39] Tonio_: indeed. well, i'd like it to be fixed, really [02:40] Tonio_: and then to know how you did it. *g* === freeflying [n=freeflyi@220.192.131.52] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] Hobbsee: okay, give me the infos you have ;) [02:40] what is the problem ? [02:40] Tonio_: okay. current kopete source is in edgy, newer kopete source is in kdenetwork. its' been split before, but we need to get it split again [02:40] ie, they havent released a separate tarball [02:41] Hobbsee: so the kdenetwork version is more recent that's it ? [02:41] Tonio_: correct [02:41] Hobbsee: okay, so why splitting it ? [02:41] let's get it built with kdenetwork and that's it ! [02:42] hi all [02:42] I'd rather not, it means changing stuff in rosetta as well as the archive [02:42] I'm finally here :) [02:42] and they might do another separate release [02:42] ksudoku (0.3.orig-1) should i leave the .orig-1 in there whem i change it to a 1ubuntu1 [02:42] Tonio_: Riddell said why [02:42] Riddell: okay then we have to extract the source from kdenetwork and upgrade the package...... [02:42] !info ksudoku edgy [02:42] ksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-4ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 119 kB, installed size 360 kB [02:43] Riddell: I'll do that today [02:43] Hobbsee: dapper build [02:43] gnomefreak: uh? [02:43] gnomefreak: yes [02:43] ty [02:43] gnomefreak: even so. the dapper build was never that. [02:43] once jabbin package is ready and I blogged about voip and kubuntu :m) [02:43] sure you havent grabbed debian's by mistake? [02:43] Hobbsee: I'll let you know, should be done toonight [02:43] Tonio_: cool :) [02:43] im editing the debian change log [02:43] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59504 [02:43] i grabbed ubuntus version [02:43] Malone bug 59504 in kdebase "Language packs broken in kde applications menus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === Hobbsee wonders if anyone knows about that ^ whole issue [02:44] !info ksudoku dapper [02:44] ksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 356 kB [02:44] Hobbsee: that's an old and resolved issue [02:44] Hobbsee: you can close the ticket [02:44] gnomefreak: i'm positive you didnt. that version wasnt in dapper or edgy, as i've modified both :P [02:45] i got it from packages.ubuntu.com :( [02:45] gnomefreak: try apt-get source ksudoku? [02:45] and check in debian/changelog where it's from [02:46] k === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:46] shoot [02:46] i cant do that :( [02:46] im on edgy with dapper pbuilder [02:47] grab the edgy one then? [02:47] they're not that different, iirc [02:48] and just change the depends to dappers versions? [02:49] why do you want to change it for dapper? [02:50] dont i have to with a dapper pbuilder? [02:50] *shrugs* [02:50] of course, you can always login to your dapper pbuilder, and grab the source from there if you want. *shrug* [02:50] pick anything [02:50] i doubt it'll matter [02:50] even your weird version is likely to work [02:51] Hobbsee: what is the kdenetwork 3.5.5 kopete version ? [02:51] Tonio_: 0.12.3 [02:51] great thanks [02:57] Hobbsee: done ;) I'll build and add the package on my repo so that we can test. [02:58] Hobbsee: then I'll explain you the process [02:58] Hobbsee: it's pretty easy [02:58] Tonio_: sounds good to me. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:21] Hobbsee: fancy testing jabbin ? [03:22] Tonio_: not at the moment? [03:22] Hobbsee: okay :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@220.205.120.93] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:51] hello there === fritsch [i=WdGDJCsi@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:59] imbrandon: howdy [04:01] Riddell: I'm adding kipi-plugins for kubuntu-desktop [04:01] Tonio_: ok [04:02] Riddell: kopete is almost finished... I'm writing an ufe exception request too [04:02] hey folks [04:03] Tonio_: cool, mdz is on holiday today though [04:03] Riddell: can wait a bit, no emergency :) [04:03] hi mhb [04:04] Tonio_: well, RC freeze is on thursday so can't wait too long [04:05] Riddell: will be done today, don't worry :) [04:05] Riddell: I'm preparing sip/voip packages so that we can work on that in the uds... jabbin is finished, wengophone polished a bit, and I'll prepare other ones, like latest twinkle etc...... [04:06] nice [04:06] I'll just sit and watch kdelibs compile again :) === claydoh [n=clay@216-220-246-102.midmaine.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:08] anyone looked at bug 35573 ? It's labeled incorrectly, at least ... [04:08] Malone bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/35573 [04:09] there is a lot of duplicates of this one, it is also confirmed by many people with enough details, IMO [04:12] hmm.. interesting. === marseillai [n=mars_@AMarseille-256-1-107-44.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nuku [n=nuku@e178067096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:27] Tonio_: need jabbin tested? [04:28] mhb: yes ;) [04:28] mhb: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org [04:28] Tonio_: my voice is probably not as beautiful as Hobbsee's but I have little time [04:28] mhb: I can't test it unfortunately [04:28] oh [04:29] my microphone doesn't work on ubuntu, but feel free to find another tester :) === Hobbsee certainly does not have a beautiful voice :P [04:29] its' all high pitched. === mhb has not yet met a girl/woman that had an ugly voice :o) [04:31] aanyway, Tonio_ , when somebody else volunteers, I'm here [04:31] mhb: great ;) [04:34] Hobbsee: any infos concerning kopete changelog ? that would be usefull for uvf exception request === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:36] Tonio_: they dont seem to have one [04:36] mhb: depends if they're screaming at you :P [04:36] Heya [04:36] Hobbsee: that's an issue :) mdz will not accept if we don't have precise informations concerning the bugs closed [04:36] true [04:36] Hobbsee: I'll try to get the svn changelog..... === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-190-138.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:40] Hobbsee: I'm sure there are many closed bugs, but without a changelog....... that will not help... === Hobbsee cheers like a maniac. [04:40] ahem. [04:41] Tonio_: true that. mattr didnt have a current changelog for it on hand. if we bug him, he might [04:41] Hobbsee: can you do this ? he may know you better than I do :) [04:41] Tonio_: he doesnt [04:41] but i can try [04:41] Hobbsee: hehe thanks :) [04:41] later :) === _froud_ [n=froud@dsl-145-1-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:41] let me celebrate a bit first :) [04:42] Hobbsee: celebrate what ? [04:42] Tonio_: there are some evil maths quizzes that i have to pass for uni. they're really horrible and unforgiving [04:42] i *finally* passed one of them [04:42] there are 6 [04:42] and they regularly send me mad. === allee congrats Hobbsee [04:42] congrats !! [04:43] Hobbsee: I love mathematics :) [04:44] they saved my studies several times :) [04:44] Hobbsee: good work :o) === mhb likes math as well [04:45] i dont mind it, usually. but these quizzes are beyond horrible [04:45] Hobbsee: you have an example of "horrible" ? :o) [04:46] for example, while I got a 4/20 in phylosophy and 5/20 in german, I got 20/20 at Higher Leaving Certificate [04:46] i do, but.. [04:46] that helped a bit to get it ;) [04:46] Hobbsee: link maybe? [04:46] http://rutherglen.ics.mq.edu.au/math136s206/quizzes.html [04:46] log in as guest, guest [04:47] Hobbsee: which one did you pass? [04:49] mhb: 3 [04:50] Hobbsee: 4 should be accessible I think [04:51] equations isn't the harder part [04:51] hm ... it offers me a perl file [04:52] true [04:52] mhb: ah, you need adobe reader [04:52] Hobbsee: no kpdf or the like? [04:52] awww [04:53] yep === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@vpnc121.ugent.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pascalFR [i=cSL2qjAR@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@port-83-236-238-37.static.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:22] all you guidance gods out there, my DPMS timeout increases by like 2 hours every time I log in :D === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has left #kubuntu-devel [requested] === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [05:22] Hobbsee: wrong jdong [05:22] ahhh...oops [05:22] Hobbsee: and that was pretty on topic :) [05:22] should i boot the other? === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === jdong_ goes onto launchpad [05:24] heh, apparently it's fixed in svn [05:24] never mind then === \sh is now known as \sh_away [05:26] what's with the move to not-kde-355 in the kubuntu repo? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === alain_ [n=alain@vpn-stud.rz-zw.fh-kl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:34] hello [05:35] I have a problem with my sound system [05:35] if i select automatically detect, system freezes for 5 sec, then I get a cpu overload warning [05:36] if I manually select open sound system, everything is fine [05:36] if I run artsd from command line, i also get the cpu overload [05:36] i have artsd 1.5.4 === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-221-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:43] i can't find the artsd package in the bugtracker [05:44] all i find is [05:44] libarts1c2a: [05:44] aRts sound system core components [05:50] nobody here? === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:52] alain_: sorry, this is actually no support channel [05:53] alain_: the support channel is in #kubuntu [05:53] mhb its no support request... [05:55] alain_: it sounds like an unconfirmed bug, which is nothing the devs should be concerned about [05:55] alain_: if you don't know the package for this bug file it under "kubuntu-meta" === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@254.1-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-221-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:28] The cdrom icon on my desktop vanished recently. Is that a known bug? [06:28] Its label is displayed and the icon appears when I touch it with the mouse. [06:30] what happened to the kde-3.5.5 repos? [06:30] did they get moved? === apokryphos [n=apokryph@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:32] yes [06:32] distrowatched decided to publish them [06:32] Why on earth did they decide to do that === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:34] god knows, I e-mailed them === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheBearded1_ [n=cyle@208.48.49.50] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheBearded1_ [n=cyle@208.48.49.50] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [06:45] haha [06:46] oh well, any plans on "re-releasing" them at all for updates and what not? [06:47] they're available under not-kde-355 [06:48] someone fill me in on the whole not-kde-355 thing? [06:49] haha ok..i seen that and just wondered === rouzic [n=rouzic@187.Red-83-39-21.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:53] hmm ... dist-upgrade and then install kubuntu-desktop or what will be the recommended upgrade procedure? [06:53] I'd like to test exactly that what the users will be told to do [06:53] mhb: I'm undecided [06:54] but it doesn't seem like we can get a dist-upgrade that'll do the right thing [06:54] so probably dist-upgrade then install kubuntu-desktop [06:57] how does gnome-ubuntu handle that? [06:59] they have a dist-upgrade tool that has special algorithms === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:59] we should get that too :) [06:59] it'll be an edgy+1 target to get one [06:59] nice. [06:59] i'll need to learn c++. [06:59] it's python [06:59] <_Sime> Riddell: FWIW, I've been hacking on mountconfig a bit to get the UUIDs working well. But there is little chance of that making the Edgy release considering that we are in RC territory already. [06:59] I need to work without sleeping :o) [07:00] .. and python.. :) [07:00] and learn to live without sleep [07:01] .. stop sleeping, stop eating.. stop other jobs.. stop spending time with family.. etc. [07:01] _Sime: ok, thanks [07:02] <_Sime> Riddell: it will have to be an update after we here have tested it. [07:04] should be do-able if the diff is readable === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid__ [n=orkid__@bas1-barrie18-1242377856.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-221-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:25] Riddell: I am trying to update my dapper -> edgy [07:25] hmm.. where is adept svn/bzr/cvs located? is it public? [07:25] Riddell: why does kubuntu-desktop get removed? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:29] Lure: it's because of python [07:29] fdoving: kde svn, playground/admin [07:29] Riddell: so just install kubuntu-dekstop after? [07:29] Lure: seems to be the best we can offer yes [07:29] Riddell: thanks. === orkid__ [n=mike@74.13.46.128] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@dslb-084-056-221-192.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zorglu_ [n=zorglub@134.43.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:51] i just noticed that kernel-headers-2.6.15-26-386 package is no more availble, which channel should i use to talk about this ? [07:53] #ubuntu-kernel i guess? [07:53] ok thanks [08:07] Riddell: will kde 355 land in edgy? [08:09] <_Sime> how come "Manager repositories" is always disabled in Adept in Edgy? [08:09] Lure: don't know yet, waiting on an answer from mdz [08:09] _Sime: don't know that either, but it's a priorirty to get fixed [08:10] <_Sime> It's been like that for ages. I thought maybe I was missing some peice of info. [08:15] it could be, I really don't know [08:15] oh one thing about kde355 anyone else notices the big delay for hiding the panel icon mouseover effects even when they are shown partly? [08:15] it was top of my list of things to look at then I got snowed under in there new releases [08:16] (using the kubuntu.org packages on edgy) [08:16] nuku: yes [08:16] although it doesn't bother me [08:17] Riddell: that was a commit of dirk, let met dig up the details for you [08:18] Riddell: ok just curious if i was the only one.. do you know if there is a bugs.kde.org entry for it? [08:18] nuku: one sec pls [08:18] sure .. no hurry [08:20] Riddell, nuku: iirc it was a fix for https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204728 [08:20] bugzilla.novell.com bug 204728 in KDE "kicker consumes too much cpu time with a vertical orientation and a custom width of 49" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [08:21] hmm, maybe i'm confused, this one might be better: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=115995421220057&w=2 [08:25] it seems that it is already worked on it: " kickertip.cpp 593043 3 days aseigo lower the time the tip shows except for taskbar, pager and clock where it makes ... " [08:29] ah and the tags/3.5.5 has also been retagged for those files.. looks good :) === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [08:39] hi [08:51] wow. xrdp is nice. [08:53] are the 3.5.5 repos not working? [08:53] they're hidden [08:53] http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages is failing and its not even in the sources.list file like that [08:54] recently? [08:54] They've been moved after distrowatch posted a link [08:54] today was only day they have been failing [08:54] oh [08:54] can i have new one? [08:55] we'd need to interrogate you first to make sure you weren't the source of the leak to distrowatch [08:55] ok [08:55] distrowatch posted a link ? [08:56] wow ( /me gusess it was someone on the -devel ML ) [08:56] distrowatch as in the website that posts new distros? [08:57] gnomefreak: yes, someone gave them the link for the repos === gnomefreak hasnt been to distrowatch since i got ubuntu during hoary [08:57] heya Riddell gnomefreak [08:57] imbrandon: hello :) [08:57] the link isn't really hard to find, yaknow [08:57] if they found it the same way I did, they'll prolly find the new one the same way I did [08:58] ohhhhhhhh qt4 php bindings , wow [08:58] trappist: im sure if someone got it they could have built their own so there are prolly many of them out there [08:58] also true === trappist doesn't see the harm === gnomefreak sticks to official, imbrandon ,amarnth repos :) [08:58] with a jdong repo sometimes [08:59] ouch [08:59] lol it wasnt that bad in breezy === imbrandon could have done without the cursing [08:59] oh and Hawkwind if he gets it up for edgy [09:01] If there were 36 hours in a day it *might* be close to being done :P === DaSkreech [n=skreech@port0002-abm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:03] lol [09:03] take your time [09:04] Are the streams in Amarok all .ogg? [09:05] no [09:05] DaSreech: no, many of them are mp3 [09:05] streams are what ever the source is streaming , it could be aac , oog etc === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.33.117] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:05] ogg* [09:05] heya n8k99 [09:05] hm ... dist-upgraded but kubuntu-desktop still refuses to upgrade (BREAK-upgrade) ... [09:05] imbrandon hi there [09:06] yikes just had a real window crash! scared the little girl! [09:07] Just wondering why we don't ship with .ogg streams by default [09:08] DaSkreech, check the amarok faq, its listed in there as to why [09:08] mp3 smaller? [09:08] not many a lot of ogg streams? [09:08] We have to follow the Amarok defaults :( [09:08] n8k99: More than you think [09:08] no DaSkreech but its the same reason [09:10] Ok === DaSkreech waits for the page to load [09:10] basicly there isnt enough stable good ogg streams and if you know of them then submit them to amarok, end of story === DaSkreech whistles and twiddles fingers [09:11] Ah. [09:11] well the Vorbis.com site has a good selection [09:11] sweet, well like i said, poke them [09:11] Has anyone made an attempt to collate some streams? [09:12] DaSkreech, probably not a developer no, you will ahve better luck in #amarok [09:12] s/ahve/have [09:13] Well Iwas thining of just throwing up a wiki page and seeing if I could get it mentioned on fridge etc [09:13] DaSkreech, and its not just getting a list, its getting a list of STABLE streams that have been there for months/years and will continute to be [09:13] I know [09:13] Which is why I want to know if there has been an attempt at gathering [09:13] DaSkreech, great but again , #amarok , not really a development issue [09:13] Better to work as one than start something new [09:14] Good point :) [09:14] 3.5.5 this week? === DaSkreech hates being out of the loop :( === mhb hates data transfer limits [09:15] DaSkreech: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/71292/index.html that does not mean kubuntu is releasing it but normally its close === imbrandon_ [n=imbrando@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:20] Riddell: when you get time please pm and i will answer any questions you have. [09:34] gnomefreak: questions to what? [09:34] Riddell: the interogation ;) [09:34] oh well just "did you do it"? [09:35] or maybe, "did you do it, punk?" to me more interrogating like [09:35] Riddell: dist-upgraded but still couldn't install kubuntu-desktop (BREAK-upgrade) ... trying classical "upgrade" now [09:35] Riddell: no [09:35] gnomefreak: sorted :) [09:36] that was almost too easy :) [09:36] gnomefreak: it's at not-kde-355 by the way [09:36] mhb: so you did apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ? [09:36] ah ok === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:38] Riddell: well, the equivalent Adept actions === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.144] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:38] Riddell: i just got a size mismatch error [09:38] Riddell: then Adept refused to upgrade kubuntu-desktop [09:39] for apt-get dist-upgrade [09:39] n8k99: on 3.5.5? [09:39] yes sir [09:39] n8k99: it's updating just now, don't use it [09:39] gnomefreak: ^^ [09:40] heh [09:40] ok [09:40] ach [09:40] ack [09:40] ok i stopped it [09:40] gnomefreak, no big deal, just ^c then restart it when its finished ;) [09:40] i did [09:40] ( after an apt-get update ) [09:41] i stopped it during update [09:41] yea just dont reboot ;) === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:42] k [09:43] imbrandon: the stupid math thing gave you an issue ey? [09:44] i may just remove it for the time being, and see how much spam collects..i turned on a massively hacked akismet, so hopefully that will suffice [09:44] nixternal, yea , it told me 7 x 9 wasent 63 [09:44] haha === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:44] i will go through and look at the code for that [09:45] nixternal, i use a diffrent one that checks against rtbl and no issues yet [09:45] link me if you get a chance [09:45] one sefc [09:45] sec* [09:46] err actualy is the A* one but it dosent do the math stuff [09:48] Riddell: bug 64907 > you can approve :) [09:48] Malone bug 64907 in kopete "3.5.4+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1 -> 3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/64907 [09:48] imbrandon: hey ! [09:48] heya Tonio_ [09:48] imbrandon you should commit your kds changes to bzr.... [09:48] imbrandon if you don't they'll be overwritten by next upgrade [09:48] Tonio_, i tried but bzr kept timing out [09:48] imbrandon ah ? [09:48] imbrandon want me to give a try ? [09:49] Tonio_, no they wont, whomever does the next update will have to commit it it wont let the same version upload ;) [09:49] sure [09:49] imbrandon well if you follox the process to upgrade kds, you have to checkout svn to get the package :) [09:49] imbrandon that's why this would overwrite the current package.... [09:49] right i did , infact i was the first, but as i said it times out for me [09:50] but yes, I can understand your point of view.... [09:50] no it wouldent becouse as soon as you dput it it would reject it [09:50] hum, I'll try to commit toonight, maybe I'll have more chance :) [09:50] as being the same version [09:50] e.g if you bzr checked it out right now and dch -i it would be -55 [09:50] if you tried to dput that it would reject it [09:51] imbrandon true :) [09:52] but yea if you wanna try to commit it cool i only changed the kubuntu-artwoirk-usplash.postinstall [09:52] but let the person packaging before redoing everything is unfair ^^ ;) [09:52] Tonio_, i agree [09:52] imbrandon btw it is not your fault [09:53] ;) [09:53] imbrandon I just packaged jabbin today to prepare the uds... I'll try to package any qt/kde voip client to that we can talk about that, compare and make a choice for edgy+1 [09:53] that's important I think [09:53] yea i was thinking the same thing ther was/is a bounty for it from paris uds [09:53] but no one ever did it [09:54] have you tried the twinkle that was sugested? [09:54] and maybe goldenear forget me with wengophone now jabbin is packaged :) [09:54] imbrandon yes I did === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121n9u.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:54] imbrandon very nice, but sip dedicated only, and no video support on the way...... [09:54] Tonio_, btw did you see that wengophone was putting stuff in /opt [09:54] but technically it is a very nice sip client [09:54] imbrandon hehe yes, I packaged it to put everything in /opt :) [09:54] video is not important to me, infact i would be happy if it DIDENT have video [09:55] as 99% of people dont have cams let alone working cams [09:55] imbrandon in fact, as it is a multiplateform client, it is coded to have the same files in one folder only, like an ms application or googleearth [09:55] and the "less dirty" way to do in that case is /opt [09:56] yea but if it go's in the repos stuff cant go into /opt iirc [09:56] imbrandon yes I agree, but sip is in my opinion to complicated for Joe [09:56] I think the default solution has to be an IM, with jingle support for example [09:56] maybe the solution will be kopete, who knows :) [09:56] imbrandon hu ? [09:56] if they would fix kopete to use the new jingle yes [09:56] if it goes to the repos ic can't be /opt ? [09:57] is that a policy violation ? [09:57] no debian policy says no stuff in /opt iirc , i could be wrong [09:57] it's correct [09:57] opt is for 3rd party only [09:57] hum.... I don't remember this.... I'll have a look === gnomefreak didnt get any kubuntu updates just gnome-volume nad gksu [09:57] although I'm pondering about asking if we can use /opt for kde 4 [09:58] yea so we can have both [09:58] well, I can change the package to put everything in /usr/share/wengophone.... that wouldn't make any difference [09:58] 3 and 4 [09:58] but I think a binary file in /usr/share is REALLY worst than in /opt [09:58] Tonio_, yea that would be better imho [09:58] I've always viewed /opt as a place for statically compiled stuff I can keep around from distro to distro [09:58] that's not policy convenient but better in my opinion [09:58] imbrandon but okay, let's go with the strict policy application [09:58] trappist: i use it for stuff i compile like FF and TB === Tonio_ upgrades wengophone [09:59] imbrandon appart from that, how was your test with riddell ? [09:59] unstable I assume ? :) [09:59] well i could never hear anyone [09:59] but they could hear me [09:59] sooooo , dunno really [10:00] gnomefreak: but everything I've ever installed that went to /opt because the package said so, was like that: a 3rd party package, statically compiled so as to be distro-independent. I personally put other stuff like fonts in there, but I've come to expect that only distro-independent stuff will be there. [10:00] phone , brbr === n8k99 scratches head, still wondering what jingle is [10:00] the sound bells make? [10:00] :) [10:01] oh! how simple [10:02] The project? === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] I don't like /opt .o) a bit late, I know [10:09] imbrandon the problem is that a log file chmoded to 777 in /usr/share isn't really better [10:09] but well....... wengophone is a mess anyway :) [10:10] hm, Adept upgrade failed as well, I'm going to bed [10:11] good night all [10:15] imbrandon I'm patching to disable all logging [10:16] that's the best I can doo === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.144] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:43] can someone enlighten me on kde-355 vs not-kde-355?? [10:44] Round one! [10:48] Riddell: it looks like dapper -> edgy requires the following steps: update, dist-upgrade (will remove kubuntu-desktop), dist-upgrade (to get upstart instead of sysvinit), install kubuntu-desktop, dist-upgrade (to upgrade kde-guidance) and still plenty of python packages are "kept back" [10:48] Sooo reinstall then for those lucky to have a /home partition [10:49] that's a bit complex to the regular desktop user. [10:50] is it possible to make a new kubuntu-desktop-6.10 package that fixes everything? [10:50] fdoving: dist-upgrader works around that quite well [10:51] why can't we get a kde frontend to taht? [10:51] jdong: I hope we can get one for edgy+1 === Lure rebooting - hope I will be back after upgrade ;-) === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.228.77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure is back on upgraded dapper->edgy [10:56] jdong, not-kde-355 becouse someone leaked it to distrowatch [10:57] imbrandon: I see. so it's not meant for the public eyes? [10:57] no, it never was announced , and stated developers only [10:58] its not even released yet [10:58] ah, I see [10:58] jdong, and as far as dist-upgrader no one has written a kde front end [10:58] but it has been asked for anyone that wants to, go for it [10:59] imbrandon: I am aware of that; and I figured it was one of those "go do it" type of things :) === jdong is an absolute klutz when it comes to any kind of gui work [11:00] if there's not yet a cli client to dist-upgrader, I might hack that out :D [11:00] because dist-upgrade is simply not doing the job anymore... [11:00] the problem is the lack of konsole part in pykde [11:01] Riddell: I think there was some discussion to have CLI version for server - this would be still better than just dist-upgrade [11:02] I [11:02] sorry [11:02] I'd settle for a console frontend to dist-upgrader anyday === toma is now known as toma_ [11:22] ruby/korundum has a libkonsolepart ;) [11:38] imbrandon I just finished wengophone, but I had to patch to stop logging to files, since a 777 file in /usr/share is really weird too... [11:59] im sure you are aware, but anyway, google just bought youtube [12:02] Yeah, definitely quite old news unfortunately [12:05] Hawkwind: oh, whats new then ? [12:06] Nothing new at the moment. Though I'm watching sports news to find out all the good info in life :P === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@206.248.120.144] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel