[12:22] <fdoving> imbrandon: status? 
[12:22] <fdoving> i've got cowbuilder setup now. with gcc-4.1-powerpc :)
[12:23] <fdoving> currently downloading adept build-deps to test.
[12:23] <fdoving> but this slow 784kbps connection is ... slow.
[12:45] <Tm_T> ok, partially finnish text problem is located
[12:45] <Tm_T> somehow KDE fallbacks en_GB to next lang selection, finnish
[12:46] <Tm_T> dunno if this is how it is supposed to work
[12:55] <Riddell> mhb: yes, it is
[01:01] <Tm_T> it is, stupid me
[01:06] <fdoving> gnite.
[01:17] <DaSkreech> Night
[01:17] <DaSkreech> Riddell: can I lodge a small protest?
[01:18] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I am your humble servant
[01:18] <DaSkreech> :-)
[01:18] <DaSkreech> the bootsplash can take commands correct?
[01:19] <DaSkreech> other than esc?
[01:19] <Riddell> it can show progress
[01:19] <Riddell> that's about it
[01:19] <DaSkreech> Well yeah that's what I'm getting at
[01:19] <DaSkreech> Not showing progress (messages) is pretty distracting
[01:20] <Riddell> it does show progress
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Well it shows a bar
[01:20] <DaSkreech> the lack of messages is distractin
[01:21] <Riddell> users don't care about lots of scrolling text
[01:21] <Riddell> and I don't care for it either
[01:21] <Riddell> but you're complaining to the wrong dude, you want a usplash developer
[01:21] <Hawkwind> You can change that in your /etc/boot/menu.lst file anyways
[01:22] <DaSkreech> Hawkwind: ok thought that it was masked out by the Image
[01:22] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Well, I haven't  seen a boot splash image in years except during initial install of the OS.  I disable them immediately
[01:24] <DaSkreech> They are kinda pretty and I reboot so infrequently that I normally don't care either way but been playing with the edgy Live CD and I find my nerves are on edge cause the boot is soo silent
[01:33] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: ping
[01:34] <gnomefreak> i asked them to install arts-dbg and runt he backtrace. a vaguely remember ars crashing amarok a few times here
[01:35] <gnomefreak> bug 52155 is the bug im talking about
[01:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52155 in amarok "Amarok crashes when playing .mp3, .wma, and .ogg files" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52155
[01:36] <trappist> has anyone noticed the uninstallable kdelibs due to unsatisfied kdelibs-data version in 355, or should I mention it here?
[01:39] <gnomefreak> i havent seen that issue. why are you uninstalling kdelibs?
[01:39] <trappist> I failed to notice it and ended up with a pretty bare, backgroundless, kickerless kde
[01:40] <trappist> gnomefreak: I upgraded to 355, and kdelibs was uninstallable (couldn't be installed, not could be uninstalled)
[01:40] <gnomefreak> oh
[01:40] <gnomefreak> i didnt see that from my upgrade :( i wish i would have
[01:40] <trappist> no you don't :)
[01:40] <trappist> as it turns out, a few things depend on kdelibs ;)
[01:41] <trappist> I apt-get sourced kdelibs and changed the deps and am now rebuilding
[01:41] <trappist> and it just now finished.
[01:43] <trappist> wish I could remember the exact details, but it wanted kdelibs-data 3.5.5 and got 3.5.5-0ubuntu1 or vice versa
[01:45] <trappist> dang, other similar problems: kcontrol: Depends: kdebase-data (< 4:3.5.5) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:45] <trappist> and many more like that
[01:51] <trappist> ah well, this is why I did this while the missus was out of town.  she hates it when I break the computer.
[01:53] <Riddell> trappist: dapper or edgy?
[01:53] <trappist> edgy
[01:54] <Riddell> trappist: what does  apt-cache policy kcontrol  say?
[01:55] <trappist> well now that you mention it, it looks like it wants to install 3.5.4 from http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main
[01:55] <trappist> which doesn't really match what I pasted above
[01:57] <trappist> and apt-get build-dep kdebase wants to remove nvidia-glx x-window-system-core xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core and so on.  that's odd.
[02:00] <trappist> oh, because:
[02:00] <trappist> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Build conflicts: nvidia-glx
[02:01] <trappist> Riddell: do you know that build conflict to be accurate?
[02:01] <trappist> and if so, why?
[02:01] <nuku> yes its correct ..
[02:01] <nuku> i happend to see it too :)
[02:02] <Riddell> trappist: yes it is
[02:02] <nuku> its because there are problems with shared building against the nvidia libs
[02:02] <trappist> nuku: problems building it for public consumption, or should I expect problems here on my nvidia machine?
[02:02] <nuku> no only for public buliding .. works fine when you just use it local
[02:02] <trappist> ok that's what I was looking for, thanks
[02:03] <nuku> plus kdebase just use it in kcontrol for the opengl info panel
[02:05] <trappist> seems to be a missing build-dep somewhere for kdebase.  checking X paths... failed; configure: error: /usr/bin/xmkmf (imake) failed.; Make sure you have all necessary X development packages installed.
[02:18] <trappist> seems to be due to no /usr/X11
[02:22] <trappist> nm on that.
[02:27] <nuku> atleast xmkmf is in xutils-dev.. wonder whats going wrong ..i had no problems building kdebase with installing all build-dep but the nvidia-glx
[02:29] <trappist> yeah I haven't tracked it down yet either
[02:33] <trappist> the failed test is:
[02:33] <trappist> if imake -I/usr/lib/X11/config -DTOPDIR=/etc/X11 -DCURDIR=. /etc/X11 >&5 2>&1 && test -f Makefile; then
[02:34] <trappist> which I can't quite test outside the configure script
[02:43] <nuku> have you installed xutils-dev ?
[02:44] <trappist> if I copy the contents of /etc/X11/config/cf to conftestdir and cd to there, the test passes
[02:44] <trappist> nuku: as it turns out, no
[02:44] <trappist> but installing it will uninstall imake... trying anyway
[02:46] <nuku> hmm imake is not in edgy as it seems.. maybe something from a former dapper installation?!
[02:46] <trappist> oh, xutils-dev provides imake.  I guess that's the missing build-dep.
[02:46] <trappist> nuku: very likely
[02:47] <trappist> also provides xmkmf
[02:47] <nuku> yep
[02:48] <trappist> wee, that did it.
[02:48] <nuku> nice
[02:48] <trappist> nuku: should I file a bug, or does you knowing about it count?
[02:49] <nuku> hmm sounds like some kind of bug to me..
[02:49] <trappist> and/or maybe xutils-dev should replace mkmf and imake
[02:49] <nuku> yep.. something like this
[02:50] <trappist> but there probably should be an additional build-dep on kdebase.
[02:51] <nuku> yes sounds like xutils-dev already has a replace imake in it so kdebase should have this as a build-dep if it is necessary to build it..
[02:53] <trappist> there's already a bug on xutils-dev suggesting that imake/xmkmf be broken out into a separate package
[03:12] <trappist> so I updated an existing bug on xutils-dev and filed a missing build-dep bug on kdebase
[04:43] <trappist> kstars has the same problem:
[04:43] <trappist> kstars: Depends: kstars-data (< 4:3.5.5) but 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[05:36] <NeoChaosX> uh, I got a question about Kubuntu's artwork
[05:37] <Hobbsee> shoot
[05:37] <NeoChaosX> Launchpad and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuIcons indicate that the spec to get the Oxygen icons in Kubuntu Edgy have been completed
[05:37] <Hobbsee> NeoChaosX: they wont be in edgy anyway.
[05:37] <NeoChaosX> Oh, I see
[05:38] <Hobbsee> due to licencing
[05:38] <NeoChaosX> Ah, damn, oh well
[05:38] <nixternal> edgy+1 maybe, depending on the kde4 status at the time
[05:38] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[05:49] <n8k99> imbrandon:ping
[05:49] <Hobbsee> hey n8k99 
[05:50] <n8k99> Hobbsee: hey
[05:50] <n8k99> Hobbsee: drifted in here because of some issues i'm having with amarok
[05:51] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:52] <n8k99> keeps dropping the sound system 
[05:52] <n8k99> erm, alsa
[06:02] <n8k99> maybe too quick or something- seems to work just fine now
[06:02] <n8k99> nevermind me, yet again
[06:47] <serzholino> ch1204
[06:47] <serzholino> sorry, wrong channel
[10:47] <Tonio_> heya ;)
[10:48] <Tonio_> sebas: just saw your kate problems.... I had the same issues, and I tried the patch given there http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135045
[10:48] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135045 in general "Crash on various occasions" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]  
[10:48] <Tonio_> sebas: works for me so I sent it to Riddell
[10:48] <sebas> Tonio_: Ah, cool
[10:49] <Tonio_> sebas: ;)
[10:49] <sebas> If you have a patched package, I can try as well
[10:49] <Tonio_> sebas: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[10:49] <Tonio_> grab kdelibs package from there and dpkg -i them, should work
[10:50] <Tonio_> sebas: I just have i386 package...
[10:51] <sebas> http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/dists/edgy/main/binary-i386/kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb This one? No ... 
[10:51] <sebas> It's 37K only 
[10:51] <Tonio_> yes, and kdelibs4c2a, and kdelibs-dbg
[10:51] <Tonio_> :)
[10:52] <Tonio_> I don't know exactly which one has been changed by the patch, so better install all of them
[10:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you receive my mail with kdebase and kdelibs patch ?
[11:12] <allee> heh cool, pkg-kde-extras repo is being added to a buildd network to build pkgs on sarge/etch/sid and dapper/edgy: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-extras/2006-October/001735.html
[11:14] <\sh> who is visiting the kde 10th birthday party?
[11:16] <sebas> Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/64801
[11:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64801 in kdebase "crash in split mode" [Unknown,Unknown]  
[11:16] <sebas> Thanks!
[11:16] <Tonio_> sebas: your servant ;)
[11:22] <\sh> hmmm...since when is the "open link in new tab" right click action gone in konqui?
[11:24] <Tm_T> \sh: I have it
[11:25] <\sh> Tm_T: new edgy install or upgraded? I have a new edgy install
[11:26] <Tm_T> upgraded iirc
[11:28] <\sh> does anyone has a newly installed edgy (latest beta) with all package upgrades?
[11:39] <Tonio_> \sh: I have it too...
[11:39] <Tonio_> \sh: I have a recent edgy install with all upgrades
[11:42] <\sh> hmmm
[11:43] <\sh> uhg
[11:43] <\sh> konqui is intelligent
[11:44] <\sh> a link pointing to the same opened page ... doesn't show the "open link in new tab" action
[11:44] <\sh> I never saw this behaviour before...
[11:47] <Tonio_> \sh: hehe, funky
[12:27] <Tonio_> !lastspoke Riddell
[12:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lastspoke Riddell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:28] <Tonio_> hum, this misses :)
[12:51] <Riddell> hmm?
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey :), received my patches for 3.5.5 ?
[01:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes thanks
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: cool, sebas confirmed this morning the kate fix for kdelibs works
[01:15] <gnomefreak> is everyone aware konq. 3.5.4 and 3.5.5 has no boarders on some sites?
[01:15] <gnomefreak> i say some because thats what i was told
[01:16] <gnomefreak> http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/   is one of the sites
[01:16] <gnomefreak> yuck
[01:17] <gnomefreak> i think you can ignore than it does it with ff also sort of
[01:45] <sebas> gnomefreak: What borders?
[01:54] <gnomefreak> the scroll bar for most part
[01:54] <gnomefreak> on that site i gave its only on the upper part of screen on FF its on the lower 3/4 of screen
[01:55] <gnomefreak> bug 64824
[01:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64824 in kdebase "Some sites with frames don't display properly in Konqueror" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64824
[01:55] <gnomefreak> there is a screen hsot there
[01:56] <gnomefreak> shot even
[02:06] <sebas> On Dapper 3.5.4 I get the scrollbar
[02:08] <gnomefreak> on edgy 3.5.5 i dont and reporter on 3.5.4 edgy doesnt either
[02:09] <gnomefreak> so i am thinking its an edgy regression 
[02:17] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: looks like konq doesn't like frames without options set
[02:18] <gnomefreak> Tonio_: is that something that can be changed? or its the sites?
[02:19] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I think it is konqueror
[02:19] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: add  scrolling="auto" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0"  to the frames and it works...
[02:19] <gnomefreak> ok thnak you
[02:19] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: but technically, that's an html issue...
[02:20] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: you can't blame a browser if it doesn't understand the webmaster definition of "defaults" :)
[02:20] <gnomefreak> i was thinking it was the sites but since FF does it it was weird
[02:20] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: that's why those settings do exist
[02:20] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: that's because firefox uses different "default" behavior for frames
[02:21] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:21] <gnomefreak> i leave bug in your hands to decide if it will be fixed or not but i dont see this as a really important thing
[02:24] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: hum, the problem looks a bit more complex in fact ;)
[02:24] <gnomefreak> ut oh
[02:25] <Tonio_> I'm playing with the code and I don't understand I must say...
[02:25] <Tonio_> I changed the code with a code that works on my websites admin panel
[02:25] <Tonio_> only frames target is different
[02:25] <Tonio_> on my website it works, but it fails with new targets....
[02:25] <Tonio_> very nasty
[02:26] <Tonio_> <FRAMESET ROWS="80,*" BORDER=0>
[02:26] <Tonio_> <FRAME SRC="http://ship-of-fools.com/Ads/Pages/Bulletin_ad.html" SCROLLING=NO NAME="ad">
[02:26] <Tonio_> <FRAME SRC="http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi" NAME="body">
[02:26] <Tonio_> hahaha ;)
[02:26] <Tonio_> that's normal
[02:26] <Tonio_> the right frame targets a pages that has frames that are defining this
[02:27] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:27] <gnomefreak> good evening Hobbsee 
[02:28] <sebas> So in fact, konqueror is fixed there :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hey gnomefreak 
[02:28] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: it looks like konqueror fails dealing with ROWS based frames
[02:29] <gnomefreak> well im not too worried about telling this guy its the sites if infact it is its the other guy that worries me
[02:29] <Tonio_> the code is correct, but  konqueror puts the second target in the first frame....
[02:29] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: I'll play locally to really understand what is the problem and I'll report the bug
[02:29] <gnomefreak> ty Tonio_ 
[02:30] <gnomefreak> again i dont feel its "real important"
[02:30] <gnomefreak> if there wasnt 3500 browsers out there than i would change my view on that
[02:33] <gnomefreak> how bad is katapult to build?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's mroe of a question on why you would...
[02:34] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: cause i wan tto learn and i already did the gnu hello 2 times
[02:34] <gnomefreak> want to
[02:34] <Tonio_> gnomefreak: yeah I know but that's weird :)
[02:34] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ahh, right
[02:34] <Hobbsee> pick something that looks interesting
[02:34] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: iirc, ksudoku isnt too bad, it uses cdbs.
[02:34] <gnomefreak> other than the file changing its fun
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ignore my changelog :P
[02:34] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:35] <gnomefreak> gonna try it :)
[02:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: wanted to work on kopete ?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed.  well, i'd like it to be fixed, really
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: and then to know how you did it.  *g*
[02:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay, give me the infos you have ;)
[02:40] <Tonio_> what is the problem ?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: okay.  current kopete source is in edgy, newer kopete source is in kdenetwork. its' been split before, but we need to get it split again
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ie, they havent released a separate tarball
[02:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so the kdenetwork version is more recent that's it ?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: correct
[02:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay, so why splitting it ?
[02:41] <Tonio_> let's get it built with kdenetwork and that's it !
[02:42] <freeflying> hi all
[02:42] <Riddell> I'd rather not, it means changing stuff in rosetta as well as the archive
[02:42] <freeflying> I'm finally here :)
[02:42] <Riddell> and they might do another separate release
[02:42] <gnomefreak> ksudoku (0.3.orig-1) should i leave the .orig-1 in there whem i change it to a 1ubuntu1
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: Riddell said why
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay then we have to extract the source from kdenetwork and upgrade the package......
[02:42] <Hobbsee> !info ksudoku edgy
[02:42] <ubotu> ksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-4ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 119 kB, installed size 360 kB
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll do that today
[02:43] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: dapper build
[02:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: uh?
[02:43] <Riddell> gnomefreak: yes
[02:43] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:43] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: even so.  the dapper build was never that.
[02:43] <Tonio_> once jabbin package is ready and I blogged about voip and kubuntu :m)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> sure you havent grabbed debian's by mistake?
[02:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll let you know, should be done toonight
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool :)
[02:43] <gnomefreak> im editing the debian change log
[02:43] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/59504
[02:43] <gnomefreak> i grabbed ubuntus version
[02:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59504 in kdebase "Language packs broken in kde applications menus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[02:44] <Hobbsee> !info ksudoku dapper
[02:44] <ubotu> ksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 356 kB
[02:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's an old and resolved issue
[02:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you can close the ticket
[02:44] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i'm positive you didnt.  that version wasnt in dapper or edgy, as i've modified both :P
[02:45] <gnomefreak> i got it from packages.ubuntu.com :(
[02:45] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: try apt-get source ksudoku?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> and check in debian/changelog where it's from
[02:46] <gnomefreak> k
[02:46] <gnomefreak> shoot
[02:46] <gnomefreak> i cant do that :(
[02:46] <gnomefreak> im on edgy with dapper pbuilder
[02:47] <Hobbsee> grab the edgy one then?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> they're not that different, iirc
[02:48] <gnomefreak> and just change the depends to dappers versions?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> why do you want to change it for dapper?
[02:50] <gnomefreak> dont i have to with a dapper pbuilder?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> *shrugs*
[02:50] <Hobbsee> of course, you can always login to your dapper pbuilder, and grab the source from there if you want.  *shrug*
[02:50] <Hobbsee> pick anything
[02:50] <Hobbsee> i doubt it'll matter
[02:50] <Hobbsee> even your weird version is likely to work
[02:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what is the kdenetwork 3.5.5 kopete version ?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: 0.12.3
[02:51] <Tonio_> great thanks
[02:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: done ;) I'll build and add the package on my repo so that we can test.
[02:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: then I'll explain you the process
[02:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it's pretty easy
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sounds good to me.
[03:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: fancy testing jabbin ?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not at the moment?  
[03:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay :)
[03:51] <n8k99> hello there
[03:59] <n8k99> imbrandon: howdy
[04:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm adding kipi-plugins for kubuntu-desktop
[04:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok
[04:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: kopete is almost finished... I'm writing an ufe exception request too
[04:02] <mhb> hey folks
[04:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool, mdz is on holiday today though
[04:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: can wait a bit, no emergency :)
[04:03] <Tonio_> hi mhb
[04:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: well, RC freeze is on thursday so can't wait too long
[04:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: will be done today, don't worry :)
[04:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm preparing sip/voip packages so that we can work on that in the uds... jabbin is finished, wengophone polished a bit, and I'll prepare other ones, like latest twinkle etc......
[04:06] <Riddell> nice
[04:06] <Riddell> I'll just sit and watch kdelibs compile again :)
[04:08] <mhb> anyone looked at bug 35573 ? It's labeled incorrectly, at least ...
[04:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35573
[04:09] <mhb> there is a lot of duplicates of this one, it is also confirmed by many people with enough details, IMO
[04:12] <fdoving> hmm.. interesting.
[04:27] <mhb> Tonio_: need jabbin tested?
[04:28] <Tonio_> mhb: yes ;)
[04:28] <Tonio_> mhb: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[04:28] <mhb> Tonio_: my voice is probably not as beautiful as Hobbsee's but I have little time
[04:28] <Tonio_> mhb: I can't test it unfortunately
[04:28] <mhb> oh
[04:29] <Tonio_> my microphone doesn't work on ubuntu, but feel free to find another tester :)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> its' all high pitched.
[04:31] <mhb> aanyway, Tonio_ , when somebody else volunteers, I'm here
[04:31] <Tonio_> mhb: great ;)
[04:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: any infos concerning kopete changelog ? that would be usefull for uvf exception request
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: they dont seem to have one
[04:36] <Hobbsee> mhb: depends if they're screaming at you :P
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya
[04:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's an issue :) mdz will not accept if we don't have precise informations concerning the bugs closed
[04:36] <Hobbsee> true
[04:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll try to get the svn changelog.....
[04:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm sure there are many closed bugs, but without a changelog....... that will not help...
[04:40] <Hobbsee> ahem.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true that.  mattr didnt have a current changelog for it on hand.  if we bug him, he might
[04:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you do this ? he may know you better than I do :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: he doesnt
[04:41] <Hobbsee> but i can try
[04:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe thanks :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> later :)
[04:41] <Hobbsee> let me celebrate a bit first :)
[04:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: celebrate what ?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: there are some evil maths quizzes that i have to pass for uni.  they're really horrible and unforgiving
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i *finally* passed one of them
[04:42] <Hobbsee> there are 6
[04:42] <Hobbsee> and they regularly send me mad.
[04:42] <Tonio_> congrats !!
[04:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I love mathematics :)
[04:44] <Tonio_> they saved my studies several times :)
[04:44] <mhb> Hobbsee: good work :o)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> i dont mind it, usually.  but these quizzes are beyond horrible
[04:45] <mhb> Hobbsee: you have an example of "horrible" ? :o)
[04:46] <Tonio_> for example, while I got a 4/20 in phylosophy and 5/20 in german, I got 20/20 at Higher Leaving Certificate
[04:46] <Hobbsee> i do, but..
[04:46] <Tonio_> that helped a bit to get it ;)
[04:46] <mhb> Hobbsee: link maybe?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> http://rutherglen.ics.mq.edu.au/math136s206/quizzes.html
[04:46] <Hobbsee> log in as guest, guest
[04:47] <mhb> Hobbsee: which one did you pass?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> mhb: 3
[04:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: 4 should be accessible I think
[04:51] <Tonio_> equations isn't the harder part
[04:51] <mhb> hm ... it offers me a perl file
[04:52] <Hobbsee> true
[04:52] <Hobbsee> mhb: ah, you need adobe reader
[04:52] <mhb> Hobbsee: no kpdf or the like?
[04:52] <mhb> awww
[04:53] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:22] <jdong_> all you guidance gods out there, my DPMS timeout increases by like 2 hours every time I log in :D
[05:22] <jdong_> Hobbsee: wrong jdong
[05:22] <Hobbsee> ahhh...oops
[05:22] <jdong_> Hobbsee: and that was pretty on topic :)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> should i boot the other?
[05:24] <jdong_> heh, apparently it's fixed in svn
[05:24] <jdong_> never mind then
[05:26] <trappist> what's with the move to not-kde-355 in the kubuntu repo?
[05:34] <alain_> hello
[05:35] <alain_> I have a problem with my sound system
[05:35] <alain_> if i select automatically detect, system freezes for 5 sec, then I get a cpu overload warning
[05:36] <alain_> if I manually select open sound system, everything is fine
[05:36] <alain_> if I run artsd from command line, i also get the cpu overload
[05:36] <alain_> i have artsd 1.5.4
[05:43] <alain_> i can't find the artsd package in the bugtracker
[05:44] <alain_> all i find is 
[05:44] <alain_> libarts1c2a: 
[05:44] <alain_> aRts sound system core components
[05:50] <alain_> nobody here?
[05:52] <mhb> alain_: sorry, this is actually no support channel
[05:53] <mhb> alain_: the support channel is in #kubuntu
[05:53] <alain_> mhb its no support request...
[05:55] <mhb> alain_: it sounds like an unconfirmed bug, which is nothing the devs should be concerned about
[05:55] <mhb> alain_: if you don't know the package for this bug file it under "kubuntu-meta"
[06:28] <hunger> The cdrom icon on my desktop vanished recently. Is that a known bug?
[06:28] <hunger> Its label is displayed and the icon appears when I touch it with the mouse.
[06:30] <nixternal> what happened to the kde-3.5.5 repos?
[06:30] <nixternal> did they get moved?
[06:32] <Riddell> yes
[06:32] <Riddell> distrowatched decided to publish them
[06:32] <Hawkwind> Why on earth did they decide to do that
[06:34] <Riddell> god knows, I e-mailed them
[06:45] <nixternal> haha
[06:46] <nixternal> oh well, any plans on "re-releasing" them at all for updates and what not?
[06:47] <Riddell> they're available under not-kde-355
[06:48] <jdong> someone fill me in on the whole not-kde-355 thing?
[06:49] <nixternal> haha ok..i seen that and just wondered
[06:53] <mhb> hmm ... dist-upgrade and then install kubuntu-desktop or what will be the recommended upgrade procedure?
[06:53] <mhb> I'd like to test exactly that what the users will be told to do
[06:53] <Riddell> mhb: I'm undecided
[06:54] <Riddell> but it doesn't seem like we can get a dist-upgrade that'll do the right thing
[06:54] <Riddell> so probably dist-upgrade then install kubuntu-desktop
[06:57] <fdoving> how does gnome-ubuntu handle that? 
[06:59] <Riddell> they have a dist-upgrade tool that has special algorithms
[06:59] <fdoving> we should get that too :)
[06:59] <Riddell> it'll be an edgy+1 target to get one
[06:59] <fdoving> nice.
[06:59] <fdoving> i'll need to learn c++.
[06:59] <Riddell> it's python
[06:59] <_Sime> Riddell: FWIW, I've been hacking on mountconfig a bit to get the UUIDs working well. But there is little chance of that making the Edgy release considering that we are in RC territory already.
[06:59] <mhb> I need to work without sleeping :o)
[07:00] <fdoving> .. and python.. :)
[07:00] <mhb> and learn to live without sleep
[07:01] <fdoving> .. stop sleeping, stop eating.. stop other jobs.. stop spending time with family.. etc.
[07:01] <Riddell> _Sime: ok, thanks
[07:02] <_Sime> Riddell: it will have to be an update after we here have tested it.
[07:04] <Riddell> should be do-able if the diff is readable
[07:25] <Lure> Riddell: I am trying to update my dapper -> edgy 
[07:25] <fdoving> hmm.. where is adept svn/bzr/cvs located? is it public? 
[07:25] <Lure> Riddell: why does kubuntu-desktop get removed?
[07:29] <Riddell> Lure: it's because of python
[07:29] <Riddell> fdoving: kde svn, playground/admin
[07:29] <Lure> Riddell: so just install kubuntu-dekstop after?
[07:29] <Riddell> Lure: seems to be the best we can offer yes
[07:29] <fdoving> Riddell: thanks.
[07:51] <zorglu_> i just noticed that kernel-headers-2.6.15-26-386 package is no more availble, which channel should i use to talk about this ?
[07:53] <fdoving> #ubuntu-kernel i guess? 
[07:53] <zorglu_> ok thanks
[08:07] <Lure> Riddell: will kde 355 land in edgy?
[08:09] <_Sime> how come "Manager repositories" is always disabled in Adept in Edgy?
[08:09] <Riddell> Lure: don't know yet, waiting on an answer from mdz 
[08:09] <Riddell> _Sime: don't know that either, but it's a priorirty to get fixed
[08:10] <_Sime> It's been like that for ages. I thought maybe I was missing some peice of info.
[08:15] <Riddell> it could be, I really don't know
[08:15] <nuku> oh one thing about kde355 anyone else notices the big delay for hiding the panel icon mouseover effects even when they are shown partly?
[08:15] <Riddell> it was top of my list of things to look at then I got snowed under in there new releases
[08:16] <nuku> (using the kubuntu.org packages on edgy)
[08:16] <Riddell> nuku: yes
[08:16] <Riddell> although it doesn't bother me
[08:17] <toma> Riddell: that was a commit of dirk, let met dig up the details for you
[08:18] <nuku> Riddell: ok just curious if i was the only one.. do you know if there is a bugs.kde.org entry for it?
[08:18] <toma> nuku: one sec pls
[08:18] <nuku> sure .. no hurry
[08:20] <toma> Riddell, nuku: iirc it was a fix for https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204728
[08:20] <Ubugtu> bugzilla.novell.com bug 204728 in KDE "kicker consumes too much cpu time with a vertical orientation and a custom width of 49" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  
[08:21] <toma> hmm, maybe i'm confused, this one might be better: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=115995421220057&w=2
[08:25] <nuku> it seems that it is already worked on it: " kickertip.cpp 	 	 593043	 3 days	 aseigo	 lower the time the tip shows except for taskbar, pager and clock where it makes ... "
[08:29] <nuku> ah and the tags/3.5.5 has also been retagged for those files.. looks good :)
[08:39] <xeros> hi
[08:51] <fdoving> wow. xrdp is nice. 
[08:53] <gnomefreak> are the 3.5.5 repos not working?
[08:53] <Riddell> they're hidden
[08:53] <gnomefreak> http://kubuntu.org edgy/main Packages is failing and its not even in the sources.list file like that
[08:54] <gnomefreak> recently?
[08:54] <sebas> They've been moved after distrowatch posted a link
[08:54] <gnomefreak> today was only day they have been failing
[08:54] <gnomefreak> oh
[08:54] <gnomefreak> can i have new one?
[08:55] <Riddell> we'd need to interrogate you first to make sure you weren't the source of the leak to distrowatch
[08:55] <gnomefreak> ok
[08:55] <imbrandon> distrowatch posted a link ?
[08:56] <imbrandon> wow ( /me gusess it was someone on the -devel ML )
[08:56] <gnomefreak> distrowatch as in the website that posts new distros?
[08:57] <xeros> gnomefreak: yes, someone gave them the link for the repos
[08:57] <imbrandon> heya Riddell gnomefreak
[08:57] <gnomefreak> imbrandon: hello :)
[08:57] <trappist> the link isn't really hard to find, yaknow
[08:57] <trappist> if they found it the same way I did, they'll prolly find the new one the same way I did
[08:58] <imbrandon> ohhhhhhhh qt4 php bindings , wow
[08:58] <gnomefreak> trappist: im sure if someone got it they could have built their own so there are prolly many of them out there
[08:58] <trappist> also true
[08:58] <gnomefreak> with a jdong repo sometimes
[08:59] <imbrandon> ouch
[08:59] <gnomefreak> lol it wasnt that bad in breezy
[08:59] <gnomefreak> oh and Hawkwind if he gets it up for edgy
[09:01] <Hawkwind> If there were 36 hours in a day it *might* be close to being done :P
[09:03] <gnomefreak> lol
[09:03] <gnomefreak> take your time
[09:04] <DaSkreech> Are the streams in Amarok all .ogg?
[09:05] <imbrandon> no
[09:05] <n8k99> DaSreech: no, many of them are mp3
[09:05] <imbrandon> streams are what ever the source is streaming , it could be aac , oog etc
[09:05] <imbrandon> ogg*
[09:05] <imbrandon> heya n8k99
[09:05] <mhb> hm ... dist-upgraded but kubuntu-desktop still refuses to upgrade (BREAK-upgrade) ...
[09:05] <n8k99> imbrandon hi there
[09:06] <n8k99> yikes just had a real window crash! scared the little girl!
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Just wondering why we don't ship with .ogg streams by default
[09:08] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, check the amarok faq, its listed in there as to why
[09:08] <gnomefreak> mp3 smaller?
[09:08] <n8k99> not many a lot of ogg streams?
[09:08] <DaSkreech> We have to follow the Amarok defaults :(
[09:08] <DaSkreech> n8k99: More than you think
[09:08] <imbrandon> no DaSkreech but its the same reason
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Ok 
[09:10] <imbrandon> basicly there isnt enough stable good ogg streams and if you know of them then submit them to amarok, end of story
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Ah. 
[09:11] <DaSkreech> well the Vorbis.com site has a good selection
[09:11] <imbrandon> sweet, well like i said, poke them
[09:11] <DaSkreech> Has anyone made an attempt to collate some streams?
[09:12] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, probably not a developer no, you will ahve better luck in #amarok
[09:12] <imbrandon> s/ahve/have
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Well Iwas thining of just throwing up a wiki page and seeing if I could get it mentioned on fridge etc
[09:13] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, and its not just getting a list, its getting a list of STABLE streams that have been there for months/years and will continute to be
[09:13] <DaSkreech> I know
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Which is why I want to know if there has been an attempt at gathering
[09:13] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, great but again , #amarok , not really a development issue
[09:13] <DaSkreech> Better to work as one than start something new
[09:14] <DaSkreech> Good point :)
[09:14] <DaSkreech> 3.5.5 this week?
[09:15] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/71292/index.html   that does not mean kubuntu is releasing it but normally its close
[09:20] <gnomefreak> Riddell: when you get time please pm and i will answer any questions you have.
[09:34] <Riddell> gnomefreak: questions to what?
[09:34] <gnomefreak> Riddell: the interogation ;)
[09:34] <Riddell> oh well just "did you do it"?
[09:35] <Riddell> or maybe, "did you do it, punk?"  to me more interrogating like
[09:35] <mhb> Riddell: dist-upgraded but still couldn't install kubuntu-desktop (BREAK-upgrade) ... trying classical "upgrade" now
[09:35] <gnomefreak> Riddell: no
[09:35] <Riddell> gnomefreak: sorted :)
[09:36] <gnomefreak> that was almost too easy :)
[09:36] <Riddell> gnomefreak: it's at not-kde-355 by the way
[09:36] <Riddell> mhb: so you did apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:36] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[09:38] <mhb> Riddell: well, the equivalent Adept actions 
[09:38] <n8k99> Riddell: i just got a size mismatch error 
[09:38] <mhb> Riddell: then Adept refused to upgrade kubuntu-desktop
[09:39] <n8k99> for apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:39] <Riddell> n8k99: on 3.5.5?
[09:39] <n8k99> yes sir
[09:39] <Riddell> n8k99: it's updating just now, don't use it
[09:39] <Riddell> gnomefreak: ^^
[09:40] <imbrandon> heh
[09:40] <n8k99> ok
[09:40] <gnomefreak> ach
[09:40] <gnomefreak> ack
[09:40] <gnomefreak> ok i stopped it
[09:40] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, no big deal, just ^c then restart it when its finished ;)
[09:40] <gnomefreak> i did
[09:40] <imbrandon> ( after an apt-get update )
[09:41] <gnomefreak> i stopped it during update
[09:41] <imbrandon> yea just dont reboot ;)
[09:42] <gnomefreak> k
[09:43] <nixternal> imbrandon: the stupid math thing gave you an issue ey?
[09:44] <nixternal> i may just remove it for the time being, and see how much spam collects..i turned on a massively hacked akismet, so hopefully that will suffice
[09:44] <imbrandon> nixternal, yea , it told me 7 x 9 wasent 63
[09:44] <nixternal> haha
[09:44] <nixternal> i will go through and look at the code for that
[09:45] <imbrandon> nixternal, i use a diffrent one that checks against rtbl and no issues yet
[09:45] <nixternal> link me if you get a chance
[09:45] <imbrandon> one sefc
[09:45] <imbrandon> sec*
[09:46] <imbrandon> err actualy is the A* one but it dosent do the math stuff
[09:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: bug 64907 > you can approve :)
[09:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64907 in kopete "3.5.4+kopete0.12.2-0ubuntu1 -> 3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1 UVF Exception Request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/64907
[09:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: hey !
[09:48] <imbrandon> heya Tonio_
[09:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon you should commit your kds changes to bzr....
[09:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon if you don't they'll be overwritten by next upgrade
[09:48] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i tried but bzr kept timing out
[09:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon ah ?
[09:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon want me to give a try ?
[09:49] <imbrandon> Tonio_, no they wont, whomever does the next update will have to commit it it wont let the same version upload ;)
[09:49] <imbrandon> sure
[09:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon well if you follox the process to upgrade kds, you have to checkout svn to get the package :)
[09:49] <Tonio_> imbrandon that's why this would overwrite the current package....
[09:49] <imbrandon> right i did , infact i was the first, but as i said it times out for me 
[09:50] <Tonio_> but yes, I can understand your point of view....
[09:50] <imbrandon> no it wouldent becouse as soon as you dput it it would reject it
[09:50] <Tonio_> hum, I'll try to commit toonight, maybe I'll have more chance :)
[09:50] <imbrandon> as being the same version
[09:50] <imbrandon> e.g if you bzr checked it out right now and dch -i it would be -55
[09:50] <imbrandon> if you tried to dput that it would reject it
[09:51] <Tonio_> imbrandon true :)
[09:52] <imbrandon> but yea if you wanna try to commit it cool i only changed the kubuntu-artwoirk-usplash.postinstall
[09:52] <Tonio_> but let the person packaging before redoing everything is unfair ^^ ;)
[09:52] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i agree
[09:52] <Tonio_> imbrandon btw it is not your fault
[09:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:53] <Tonio_> imbrandon I just packaged jabbin today to prepare the uds... I'll try to package any qt/kde voip client to that we can talk about that, compare and make a choice for edgy+1
[09:53] <Tonio_> that's important I think
[09:53] <imbrandon> yea i was thinking the same thing ther was/is a bounty for it from paris uds
[09:53] <imbrandon> but no one ever did it
[09:54] <imbrandon> have you tried the twinkle that was sugested?
[09:54] <Tonio_> and maybe goldenear forget me with wengophone now jabbin is packaged :)
[09:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon yes I did
[09:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon very nice, but sip dedicated only, and no video support on the way......
[09:54] <imbrandon> Tonio_, btw did you see that wengophone was putting stuff in /opt 
[09:54] <Tonio_> but technically it is a very nice sip client
[09:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon hehe yes, I packaged it to put everything in /opt :)
[09:54] <imbrandon> video is not important to me, infact i would be happy if it DIDENT have video
[09:55] <imbrandon> as 99% of people dont have cams let alone working cams 
[09:55] <Tonio_> imbrandon in fact, as it is a multiplateform client, it is coded to have the same files in one folder only, like an ms application or googleearth
[09:55] <Tonio_> and the "less dirty" way to do in that case is /opt
[09:56] <imbrandon> yea but if it go's in the repos stuff cant go into /opt iirc
[09:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon yes I agree, but sip is in my opinion to complicated for Joe
[09:56] <Tonio_> I think the default solution has to be an IM, with jingle support for example
[09:56] <Tonio_> maybe the solution will be kopete, who knows :)
[09:56] <Tonio_> imbrandon hu ? 
[09:56] <imbrandon> if they would fix kopete to use the new jingle yes
[09:56] <Tonio_> if it goes to the repos ic can't be /opt ?
[09:57] <Tonio_> is that a policy violation ?
[09:57] <imbrandon> no debian policy says no stuff in /opt iirc , i could be wrong
[09:57] <Riddell> it's correct
[09:57] <imbrandon> opt is for 3rd party only
[09:57] <Tonio_> hum.... I don't remember this.... I'll have a look
[09:57] <Riddell> although I'm pondering about asking if we can use /opt for kde 4
[09:58] <imbrandon> yea so we can have both
[09:58] <Tonio_> well, I can change the package to put everything in /usr/share/wengophone.... that wouldn't make any difference
[09:58] <imbrandon> 3 and 4
[09:58] <Tonio_> but I think a binary file in /usr/share is REALLY worst than in /opt
[09:58] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yea that would be better imho
[09:58] <trappist> I've always viewed /opt as a place for statically compiled stuff I can keep around from distro to distro
[09:58] <Tonio_> that's not policy convenient but better in my opinion
[09:58] <Tonio_> imbrandon but okay, let's go with the strict policy application
[09:58] <gnomefreak> trappist: i use it for stuff i compile like FF and TB
[09:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon appart from that, how was your test with riddell ?
[09:59] <Tonio_> unstable I assume ? :)
[09:59] <imbrandon> well i could never hear anyone
[09:59] <imbrandon> but they could hear me
[09:59] <imbrandon> sooooo , dunno really
[10:00] <trappist> gnomefreak: but everything I've ever installed that went to /opt because the package said so, was like that: a 3rd party package, statically compiled so as to be distro-independent.  I personally put other stuff like fonts in there, but I've come to expect that only distro-independent stuff will be there.
[10:00] <imbrandon> phone , brbr
[10:00] <gnomefreak> the sound bells make?
[10:00] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:01] <n8k99> oh! how simple
[10:02] <DaSkreech> The project?
[10:09] <mhb> I don't like /opt .o) a bit late, I know 
[10:09] <Tonio_> imbrandon the problem is that a log file chmoded to 777 in /usr/share isn't really better
[10:09] <Tonio_> but well....... wengophone is a mess anyway :)
[10:10] <mhb> hm, Adept upgrade failed as well, I'm going to bed
[10:11] <mhb> good night all
[10:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon I'm patching to disable all logging
[10:16] <Tonio_> that's the best I can doo
[10:43] <jdong> can someone enlighten me on kde-355 vs not-kde-355??
[10:44] <DaSkreech> Round one!
[10:48] <Lure> Riddell: it looks like dapper -> edgy requires the following steps: update, dist-upgrade (will remove kubuntu-desktop), dist-upgrade (to get upstart instead of sysvinit), install kubuntu-desktop, dist-upgrade (to upgrade kde-guidance) and still plenty of python packages are "kept back"
[10:48] <DaSkreech> Sooo reinstall then for those lucky to have a /home partition
[10:49] <fdoving> that's a bit complex to the regular desktop user.
[10:50] <fdoving> is it possible to make a new kubuntu-desktop-6.10 package that fixes everything?
[10:50] <jdong> fdoving: dist-upgrader works around that quite well
[10:51] <jdong> why can't we get a kde frontend to taht?
[10:51] <Lure> jdong: I hope we can get one for edgy+1
[10:56] <imbrandon> jdong, not-kde-355 becouse someone leaked it to distrowatch
[10:57] <jdong> imbrandon: I see. so it's not meant for the public eyes? 
[10:57] <imbrandon> no, it never was announced , and stated developers only
[10:58] <imbrandon> its not even released yet
[10:58] <jdong> ah, I see
[10:58] <imbrandon> jdong, and as far as dist-upgrader no one has written a kde front end
[10:58] <imbrandon> but it has been asked for anyone that wants to, go for it
[10:59] <jdong> imbrandon: I am aware of that; and I figured it was one of those "go do it" type of things :)
[11:00] <jdong> if there's not yet a cli client to dist-upgrader, I might hack that out :D
[11:00] <jdong> because dist-upgrade is simply not doing the job anymore...
[11:00] <Riddell> the problem is the lack of konsole part in pykde
[11:01] <Lure> Riddell: I think there was some discussion to have CLI version for server - this would be still better than just dist-upgrade
[11:02] <jdong> I
[11:02] <jdong> sorry
[11:02] <jdong> I'd settle for a console frontend to dist-upgrader anyday
[11:22] <nuku> ruby/korundum has a libkonsolepart ;)
[11:38] <Tonio_> imbrandon I just finished wengophone, but I had to patch to stop logging to files, since a 777 file in /usr/share is really weird too...
[11:59] <insanekane> im sure you are aware, but anyway, google just bought youtube
[12:02] <Hawkwind> Yeah, definitely quite old news unfortunately
[12:05] <insanekane> Hawkwind: oh, whats new then ?
[12:06] <Hawkwind> Nothing new at the moment.  Though I'm watching sports news to find out all the good info in life :P